The Rivian R2: Are We Pre-Ordering?
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- čas přidán 4. 06. 2024
- There was so much news this week! So much so, that we decided to basically split the podcast into three different segments. First, the Waveform crew talk about the news of the week including the Nothing Phone 2a, Macbook Air updates, and the Samsung Ring. Then, Andrew and David react to Marques giving us all of the news about the new Rivian R2, R3, and R3X before we jump into an interview that Marques had with three of the minds behind OpenAI's Sora! Of course, we close out the episode with trivia chaos. Enjoy!
Chapters
00:00 Intro
01:04 Samsung Ring
08:18 Apple MacBook Air Refresh
16:46 Nothing Phone 2a Review
28:51 Trivia Question
30:07 Visible (Sponsored)
30:18 Thoughts on Rivian R2/R3/R3X
52:38 Trivia Question
53:05 Ad
53:07 Interview with OpenAI Sora Team
01:09:48 Trivia Answers
01:16:31 Outro
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The openAI interview feels like there is a lawyer off camera holding a gun.
Glad I wasn't the only one who thought that. The guy on the left keeps looking off to his right and seemed very uncomfortable
I don't think! these are my Nerd friends, not used to being interviewed! thats all it is I think!
Why don't they look at each other lol. Just staring blankly at the camera, very creepy
As someone that had so much anxiety and nervousness when getting up in front of people or talking in an interview, I feel for this guy. Don’t beat up on yourself, if you’re reading these comments. It’s not easy to do if you’re not taught how to give a proper interview on video and how to deal with your nerves.
Either that or they’re not real and all AI avatars.
R3 is the car design I've been waiting years for - not kidding. They absolutely nailed it and it's going to be my next car. BRING BACK SMALLER CARS
I’m glad it won’t be out for a couple more years so I can save for it
Hopefully they exist then
Agreed. I need this car in my life.
You could just get the Volvo EX30 right now.
The Hyundai Ioniq 5 and Kia EV6 are in the same category. You could have got one two years ago.
An early Waveform is always a good start to the weekend! Thanks guys
*in the UK.
Good to see you Matt.
An early mattjgraham comment is always a good start to the podcast😎
@@readabookdummy Right?
He is a good lad.
Ah I was hoping this got filmed after the Nikon x RED announcement. Can’t wait to hear what Marques and David have to say about it lol
Me too. That acquisition came out of nowhere and it may have big implications for the camera industry since Nikon now has those patents and RED’s new global shutter sensor.
Same! Super curious what Marques thinks about it.
Nikon actually has nothing to gain from Red, on the tech or manufacturing front. They are buying their patents and market position, as well as the know-how of key staff. In the mid-term, it's unlikely the Red brand, or even the Red designs will survive. Nikon is in this game to bring its own brand, in a credible way, in the territory where Sony has a strong foothold. Red's pseudo-rebel culture has no fit in Nikon's DNA.
They have a lot to gain didn't you forget the lawsuit against them, versus red on in camera compressed raw smh 🤦♂🤦♂@@phpn99 I hope nikon will put to rest red patent trolling
@@phpn99I don't think that's a given. Other than ego, there's little to gain from /embracing and extinguishing/ a rival when you're in a highly contested market that you don't dominate. In this episode, we've learned Samsung owns all the car speakers, but still keeps separate brands. There likely will be redundancies - but if they try to go too lean, that will hurt that know-how of key staff. If they cannibalize RED's designs - that comes at the cost of the market position. And while it's hard to predict with company culture, I don't see any benefit to proactively changing that group's culture either.
Even if the products were interchangeable (and they're not), there's still really no business reason to kill the RED brand or products and replace them unless either RED or Nikon are independently unsustainable businesses. Theoretically possible, very unlikely in the medium term (not on purpose at least).
Oura ring required you to pay for a monthly subscription to use it. Samsung's ring will probably be a one time purchase which is a huge advantage for them
I’m starting to really hate subscriptions now
Add $144 to the cost of the ring to cover 2 years of subscription
Or be me and be grandfathered into free because I bought the Oura ring before they announced the subscription.
Dude yes these subscription models on hardware are so annoying, I was debating getting a whoop band but just got a garmin instead because it couldn’t stomach the fact that regardless of how much money I gave them I would never really “own” it
Only for the latest gen ring. It was kinda inevitable as everything is going for sub models to make any money. They don't manufacture the rings in China, so they have to recoup that somewhere too. Not an excuse, but just a good thing in general, being a somewhat responsible employee locally.
@@RudyOMP STARTING? They've been a disease ever since companies started trying to compete with Netflix (when Netflix itself was to try and eliminate a much larger issue). What these companies don't seem to understand is that people can only justify paying for one, maybe two, three, MAYBE four subscriptions. Depending on the price, obviously. It's one thing to ask $2 or $5 a month from someone and another for it to be $20 or $40. Some things are ridiculous. It's why I have so much respect for companies that have lifetime 'subscriptions' and allow a larger purchase. Freedom of choice is important and it should be an option. It earns them less money generally, which is why they don't do it, but it's such a horribly anti-consumer business practice. Ugh, sorry. I could rant about subscriptions for ages.
I’d like to confirm that McDonald’s sprite is definitely the main meme of McDonald’s (aside from the broken ice cream machine lol) I’m surprised no one else got it
And the coke. Because of how the ship and store the syrups. The do so in stainless steel containers. That’s why it hits different like Andrew said
@@SynterXnot all stores
Same, surprised only Ellis knew about the Sprite
47:49 💯 it kinda felt like Jeff and the design team at Rivian paid a tribute to the 80s design done by Giorgetto Giugiaro (Lancia Delta, VW Rabbit/Golf/Scirocco etc...) 😇
I teared up when they revealed the R3 with that throwback design. Europeans are gonna love it fr😂
Exactly
I was totally not expecting an Rivian reveal yesterday and Auto Focus at that😆.... They're both great but mannnnnn that R3 is🔥🔥🔥💯💯💯👍👍👍👌👌👌
I saw the r3x and thought YASSS
My first reaction when I saw the R3 was- HEY, that's a Fiat Panda. EUR will love it.
It’s still huge by non-American standards though
@@imolliebro yeah thats its main issue
R2 is an easy choice, but that R3X? Matte black with a little lift 🔥
Ehh 2026 is a long way away. There will likely be a lot more options including an updated model Y (like highland) and maybe a Tesla compact
@@5893MrWilsonI doubt it
@@5893MrWilson Highland Model Y will be slick but I’d be willing to pony up a bit more for the higher build quality in a rivian
@@saile_1004 Yeah their quality was absolute garbage a few years ago but not so much any more. I think this skews people perception somewhat. Just picked up a second model Y in December and it was pretty much flawless. As for materials and creekyness of the cabin I bet this will be improved significantly in a updated Model Y. I got a chance to test drive a highland Model 3 and the cabin was much nicer and super quiet, almost eerily quiet like a library. Its so good I would probably take an upgraded model 3 over the current model Y.
@5893MrWilson the square back of the r2 and the framed doors are my reason for choosing it over the Y.
If I'm going to give up my Stealth 3 to drive a crossover, I want all the practicality I can get and no more frameless windows for me.
The Harmon Kardon talk was fun for me. Harmon international used to do QA testing or car infotainment systems for BMW, GM, Mercadesz and Hyundai..I interned for them working mostly on BMW and Hyundai. I left around the time Apple Car play was coming and Android Auto and said when I worked there "our jobs are going to go away once these get good"... that office no longer exists. Idk if they do any testing still, but they had us in NJ near Philly and NYC mostly for maps testing but who doesn't use apple or Google maps lol
Hey David, around 24:35 you mentioned the lowest iPhone brightness being too high. If you go into settings and find the reduce white point and set it to your preferred value, and add it as as an accessibility shortcut in settings, you can toggle for high and low brightness essentially. It’s how I combat Apple’s high, lowest brightness at night.
Just tried to comment on this but think my inclusion of a link got me marked for review 🙈 This is how I deal with it too, and you can make it more convenient by creating a shortcut to toggle the setting on and off, then bind that shortcut to the triple-back-tap accessibility option; so now I just tap the back of my phone 3 times to drop or raise the base brightness of the screen.
@@robert_may I used to have a shortcut bound on the home screen but the triple tap is genius. Could never think of a good application for it. Thanks for the reply.
I have it turn on automatically at a specific time each night and then off in the morning.
@@mightypine another great way to control that setting tbh
24:36
Pro tip: if you want your iPhone screen even darker, you can go to accessibility settings and turn on “reduce white point” followed by setting the slider to as lowest as possible.
Then you can trigger it with triple click or back tap.
I love how rivian already got a thing or theme of its own such as the flashlight and the headlights after releasing literally 2 vehicles.
DAVID. Use reduce whitepoint on accessibility settings to help the brightness.
The old OnePlus was so popular and desired by many in India because It had all top features except for the cameras.
Nothing phone 2a will be a success if they provide more units for the 12th March sale.
"I don't give a crap about my phone's camera". I felt that.
The R3 looks hella good IMO
I love it when the episodes release early, I get to listen on my way to work🎉
R2 and R3(X) really feel like they'd sit much happier here in Europe than the R1 range which are absolutely huge cars by our standards.
Cars in Europe are getting bigger. EV9 is here too now, etc.
If only they would start selling their cars here..
the r3 taillight is the best part, the weird part is the front still looking like the bigger vehicles. Which they made it slicker at the front.
An earlier podcast...Just what i asked for! Thanks guys! ❤
R3 is my favorite Rivian so far.
I love the diversity of stories and the change of locations. Keep up the good work, guys.
I just subscribed this month, but this is quickly becoming my morning ritual show. Coffed and some Waveform. Keep up the fun and great episodes!
(24:30) There's a setting for Reducing White Point on the iPhone, and you can toggle it on and off with a button press (I use three presses of the Lock button as my toggle). It's usually on as my default, and I only toggle it off to look at an image close to full brightness or when I need to scan something on my phone at check-out or entering an event.
Great video as always Marques and team! Enjoying the interview portion right now
The ring will come out, I work for AT&T, and my Samsung rep isn't even second guessing it
Can confirm. M2 Air is awesome for the standard user, such as myself. Word, PowerPoint, Chrome, etc. Smooth as butter. Great pod, guys.
Early Waveform podcast for the weekend, Thanks guys
24:50 in Display & Text Size settings on iPhones/possibly iPads you can lower the white point which helps a lot at night. Super handy if you read manga at night
The R3 is a gorgeous car. Probably the best ev design out so far
Rivian R3X is going to blow up the stock. But for now I ordered the R2
Oooh the pod is out early 🎉. Happy Friday everyone 😄.
Why does Aditya Ramesh from the Sora interview look so scared
he is being held at gunpoint
I instantly fell in love with the R2 and put in a pre-order. If the specs end up being what they're saying they'll be, I'm definitely going to swap my M3 for it.
Also, the reservation is only $100, not $1000 like the guys are talking about. That makes it way less of a big deal to give them the money this far ahead of time.
Absolutely fascinating discussion with the OpenAI engineers! 👏👏
25:24 check “reduce white point” in settings to make iPhone screen appear darker. I have it set up to enable when I triple click the lock button.
As a Maverick owner, I use my bed more often than I ever thought I would. From buying furniture at IKEA to picking up a new shed at Costco, the bed is soooooo handy. An R2T would make perfect sense in the future.
That probably won’t happen or won’t for a long while considering Rivian’s financial struggles and difficulty scaling production
I think the R1T is about the same size as the Maverick already. I can see a cheaper pickup for sure but a smaller one starts getting impractical I think.
@@lexistentialR1t is quite a bit larger than the maverick. 17 inches longer, 6 inches wider, 9 inches taller.
how about R2T2
Lol, and normal people would just use free delivery service that most shops gives you this days 😂
Shutout to Grado indeed! I remember when I ordered my first pair of headphones from them, they called me on the phone to confirm the shipping address and it was mr Grado himself. They earned my respect right there!
Plus they make great products so, win-win.
24:36 David, you can decrease the white point in the iphone in settings to get the phone even dimmer, and it looks better as well imo.
I love the look of R3, reminds me of the mk2 gtis. The exterior looks are great
For the small model (R3) they could have tweaked the lights to further to differentiate it from the larger Rivians. The rear light-bar looks a bit too chunky on the small model. Overall the car has a nice shape, but the lights, I would have liked tweaked. R3 would probably look amazing with slightly smaller circular front lights to lean even further into the retro vibe.
I switched to light mode mid video and somehow feels so refreshing 😂 we've come full circle
The Open AI guys are so chill and almost believably well intentioned talking about a technology that can cause damage to jobs and our perception of reality beyond anyone's comprehension
They are either naive or evil
24:43 David you can try reducing white point in accessibility settings a little bit which will make brightness at lower level a bit less bright, but won’t make a lot of difference to high brightness since the screens are super bright. This workaround saved my eyes 😅.
24:30 Iphones can go dimmer if you want, but its a little more complicated. You need to activate Settings>Accessibility>Display & Text Size>Reduce White Point. You can also select how much this "feature" will lower your screen brightness
This! I have this on a triple click of my side button. Use it every night.
If you have a problem with iPhone min brightness, turn on reduce white point in accessibility settings, and set it as your accessibility shortcut. This makes it so the screen gets super dim if you triple press the power button.
Really cool to hear from the SORA team. 👏
9:31 wait m2 air can’t have 2 external displays? i was kind of leaning towards buying that since it’s cheaper now, but 2 external displays is like a basic requirement for me at the moment. I have a displaylink though, I’m guessing that should be enough?
how did nobody get the oura/angry birds question, finland is the king of mobile games!
Because these guys are sadly not that good at trivia as us real nerds 🤦♂️ lol
@25:05 My Oneplus 11 behaves the same way and I love it for that. Super comfortable to view at night
Great Podcast guys. Kind of got nervous when you broke in with AI because of the six fingers.Enjoyed and MKB need to get rest. I see you guys have been very busy. Thanks so much for sharing. ✌️💯
I saved $400 by getting the M2 Air at Best Buy. So I spec’ed out the 15” and I absolutely love it. It was a MASSIVE upgrade from my 2017 MacBook Pro. I am so happy.
YES ellis on the lancia hype, r3x is a classic golf/euro hatch style
Damn I've never been this early before, good way to start the weekend
the transition from california was super smooth
I LOVE the styling of the R3. I've been eyeing the Hyundai Ioniq 5 and I prefer the styling, though the headlights look a little weird for some reason.
Great video as usual ❤❤
For getting the iPhone brightness down I use triple tap to lower the white point.
R3X for the win, i cannot wait to see it out in production
3:07 Even before the teaser ended, I had already made a decision to have one. Simple and efficient tech.
You can make the iPhone screen very dark with the reduce white point accessibility setting. Also, using the color filters in accessibility set to red is nice at night or in dark settings. Blue menu buttons disappear though
The R2 feels familiar and it’s nice to see that shape of car in those dimensions , butI feel like people are underestimating how interesting the R3 is. It has such a timeless design, I think it will be the new ford focus/honda civic.
Also part of my weekend routine. Thank you for being a constant. However not so sure about subbing to cnet in the inset video at the start (during Samsung story) How are their editorial practices these days since the red ventures headlines?
I'm genuinely considering the R3X. If its out in 2026 or near then, I'll be in the market of a utilitarian car, but still something fun. It reminds me of Group B rally cars and I'm down for it.
Highly doubt it will be out in 2026 in any meanfull volume. Rivians new cars look awesome but by then Tesla model Y will be get an update and there may be a "model 2" so these mostly seem like they will be obsolete day one even if they stick to the time line.
@@5893MrWilson I don't like Teslas. Rivian has the only EVs that interest me
It's giving me Ioniq 5 but offroad
I really like how the R3 and R3X look, especially the big tail light and the seats in the R3X. I hope they don't change a thing, EXCEPT adding YELLOW REAR BLINKERS (it's illegal in certain countries to have red rear blinkers...it didn't used to be this way).
Love this pcast. Thx you.
As a person who lives in the city, R3 looks sooooo goooood, would actually consider buying it if it comes out 😁
Do we know if the fronk will have a drain to be used as a cooler? Can't imagine they don't include that.
I use the Accessibility Shortcut in my control panel for the "Reduce White Point" feature to reduce my Iphone brightness further for night use
Interesting. Thanks for sharing it. ✌️
You guys don't use extensions to make everything dark mode? Like Dark Reader or Midnight Lizard?
Been seeing a lot of R1 lately in So Cal. Not sure about other areas.
Put a deposit down during the reveal presentation for R2. Looks 🔥!!!
Would gladly accept early delivery 😉
18:51 100%. As someone who barely takes pictures I support this😂
24:35 @David I've experience the same issue with my iPhone 15 Pro in light mode. You can use the zoom accessibility feature to lower brightness even lower while still zoomed out which has basically solved my issues with the lowest brightness. Just lookup a guide on how to turn the feature on "Use Zoom to add low light filter"
I feel like back-right/front-right should be the standard location for charging ports to accommodate parallel park charging locations in cities. Being on the left makes it compatible with only locations with parking lot style charging locations.
13:15 Totally agree with you , Andrew. Despite being a computer person (Not a Gamer), I've been using a MacBook Air M2 512GB since Jan 2023 as my daily driver. Not even a single time did I regret my decision
really interested in R3. love the taillight and the hatchback look. reminds me of the old vw rabbit and the old honda civic hatchback. but hopefully the price will be closer to $20K. hopefully.
I sort of agree with David, would love to see a mid range phone with a full front display and no frontcamera
Hands down best release this year, can't wait for Rivian R3 finally Rivian made for European roads ❤❤❤❤
I use one of my Mac mini M1s just for work, which consists of Chrome, Excel, and Word. The 8GB 128GB model works flawlessly and runs butter smooth. I can’t imagine needing to upgrade it until they end macOS upgrades. At which point I’ll get whatever base Mac mini comes with the new OS.
Not pre ordering an R2, but that R3/R3X is looking mighty good. Big Lancia Delta Integrale vibes.
I love my Model Y but would trade it tomorrow for the R2! Especially if it has similar or better towing capacity.
A Rivian is definitely more luxurious than a tesla while being more rugged
I'm doing just fine with my MacBook Pro from 2015 with 128gb of storage with still almost 30gb of free space. Obviously I have a hard drive where I keep my movies and backups, but since I connect to my work server to work i don't need either the storage and the CPU/GPU power
Steering wheel controls remind me of the media control wheel on my 2013 S class put on the steering wheel
I have to say the trivia pause is getting to the point where I am checking if my phone lost connection or something before Marques says: let's do trivia
I love the R3. Looks iconic. Like Beetle or Mini Cooper.
We're all back with a mix bag. Yeah!
Agree with Ellis, R3 looks like classic 80s/90s hatch (80s golf, integrale, Peugeot 205). Awesome cars. The look will last.
R3X is awesome I wish it was lower though I want an R3X rally spec. So cool!!!
R2 is basically a 3rd gen EV 4runner. And the R3/X was a absolute nastolgic surprise. Pure brilliance. RJ, you've earned your rest. Excellent job Rivian!
on the car audio front until last year i think premium sound solutions was independent. they do a lot of car brands...
I would love a rally sedan rivian. Would be good expansion for them i think as another halo car next to the r1t
Ellis is speaking for me with the R3 love!
Love the R2 but can Rivian please change the charge port to the left side of the vehicle if they insist on using NACS so you won't be taking up two stalls when supercharging on the legacy Tesla chargers, those cables are much shorter than V4 chargers. The V4s are nice but most of the country is still using V1-V3 stalls with shorter cables which means you would need to park on the next stall over to charge leaving two stalls busy. Still who knows what might happen with the SC network in 2026.
I want that R3X so bad, lol
Didnt expect to have such a differing opinion. It reminds me of alllll the 80/90's rally cars that i always loved!!!
Early podcast, lets gooooo!
R3X all the way! I was hoping for a jeep Wrangler competitor from them, but the R3X will do :)
Pre ordered 3 of the R2.
I didn't do 3 for sure😮. But I did 1. Good on you!
R2 preordered... thanks Rivian
The tail light looks great imo