Adrien and Felix: Twin Sentimonsters
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- čas přidán 2. 07. 2024
- A few months ago, I posted a video about Adrien being a Sentimonster. While this theory gained a lot of traction and fandom support, there was still a lot that went unexplained and unaccounted for. However, with Miraculous Ladybug Season 4, we now have more evidence that points to not only Adrien being a Sentimonster, but his cousin Felix being one as well.
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Introduction & Disclaimer - 0:00
Theory Overview - 2:43
Historical & Cultural Significance - 3:29
Emilie's Disappearance - 5:54
Sentimonsters - 6:49
Wishmaker - 9:52
Ephemeral - 11:39
Gabriel Agreste - 15:35
Adrien and Felix are Twins - 17:09
Full Theory Recap (Too Long, Didn't Watch) - 19:38
Miscellaneous Evidence - 24:33
Answering Theory Questions - 26:43
Conclusion - 28:47
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It really does feel like people were like "Adrien is a Sentimonster" and the writers are like "oooh that's a good idea"😂
But when people came up with that theory (at the end of season 3) season 4 was already in production so it's unlikely.
The exact same thing that happened in Chat Blanc.
It was a character created by the fandom literally after reading the premise of the entire show, making fan video about it left and right, like there’s no tomorrow.
But the creator found the idea interesting and cashing, so they made the episode while banning all the fan videos for copyright infringement, claiming that “they had the Chat Blanc idea way before them” (they really haven’t).
@@veronicapiccinini7956 the idea of Chat Blanc came up pretty much in the very beginning of the series so not only the time span is much bigger but in the end that episode didn't affect the main plot. You can't say the same thing happened with the SentiAdrien theory.
And tbh if you wanted an akumatized version of Chat Noir, Chat Blanc is the obvious choice (and his final design is way better than the one the fandom came up)
@Kyoko the writers don't listen the fan's Idea all the serie until the Season 7 are already wroten.
It is. Thomas has no bright ideas, and people should boycott the show. Thomas steals fans' ideas and when some gives critical criticism of the show, they get blocked. Screw him and his show.
him being allergic to feathers is just so perfect now
it’s so funny plz😭
absolutely perfect ✋😌
I hate the word perfect now it gives me trauma
I hate the word perfect now it gives me trauma
so true ay miracoulous were is my money huh
The more I watch this video the more I’m convinced you’re right. It would also make sense why Felix’s mother wanted Gabriel’s ring and why she said that the ring was for her son, not her - that way her son would have full control of himself.
Best mother
@@m.a.y.h2298 ???????
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We're supposed to keep the 10 commandments Exodus 20 and the unclean laws Leviticus 11 and please read Jonah 3-4.
Do this and have faith and don't make oaths so youll be saved. The oaths will be hard to keep in these days just don't make them.
2 Corinthians 5:17 says, “if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.”
@@Lolirock971I know
Okay to answer a misconception, the peacock miraculous holder can sense the AMOK not the sentimonster itself. Mayura sensed feast because feast had swallowed his amok item. Meaning no she wouldn't have sensed cat noir being a sentimonster
^^^^
Omg ty that explains a lot better
But wouldn’t she be able to sense Gabriel’s ring and question why he’s carrying an amok around then?
@@baolikespizza4512 i bet gabe has told her adrien is a sentimonster. she just doesn’t know cat noir is a sentimonster.
I agree with this but also I remember someone explaining on a similar video that the miraculous power makes the holder’s identity completely secret, whilst adrien (chat noir) wears the ring I feel like this might be able to obscure his sentimonster identity, I’m not sure if this is right but 🤷🏾♀️.
this also explains why félix demands for gabriel’s peacock in exchange for all the other miraculous in strikeback. if the peacock holder has the ability to snap a sentimonster out of existence, taking the peacock miraculous would fully give him his life, and now that he also has gabriel’s ring, he has complete freedom over his will.
Imagine if Emilie and Gabriel had just adopted a child like normal people, none of this would've happened
Too expensive and time consuming with all the papers to sign. Bureaucracy is an ugly beast
@@veronicapiccinini7956 time consuming... compared to tracking down magical artifacts? XD
@@skoutburst672 you can joke about it, but there are many instance where it took decades to adopt a kid
@@veronicapiccinini7956 fair enough, i absolutely don't doubt that
But we *are* talking about one of if not the most famous fashion designer in Paris, i think he and Emilie had more than enough money and resources to pull extra strings if needed
@@veronicapiccinini7956 Expensive ? fort the Agrest family it is nothing to adopt a child, plus they are french and you don't have to pay for adoption other than psychological evaluation if needed, the postal exchanges and the trips of the parents to the Social Aid Bureau. Time consumming ? maybe but they could have the papers done by Nathalie too. So no, they were motivated by vanity to have their DNA passed on. For me Adrien is more of a trophy for them and a way to socially brag.
ALSO, when Adrien cataclysms himself (because he couldn't choose to cataclysm his father in Chat Blanc), he doesn't die. He becomes out of control, emtionally unstable, and erratic after the cataclysm, like a sentimonster.
he got cataclysmed in miraculer too, it was just chat noir’s suit that protected him from being killed from his cataclysm and he cataclysmed his father in season 5 and gabriel isn’t completely dying.
S5 spoiler 🚨🚨 Gabriel is cataclysmed as Hawkmoth with all the extra miraculous on as well but is severely injured, but it would make sense for the miraculous to be protected from their own power
@@diorshazee He had some sheild protecting him
"Do you always do what your father tells you?" - Felix, aware he's a sentimonster, probing Adrien to find out if Gabriel is wearing Adrien's in use amok and discover which ring is which, ensuring he steals back his own amok/free will (instead of Adrien's).
I think all the Graham de Vanilys are the descendants of a sentibeing: they always come in pairs because the amoks are a pair of rings. Not only has Adrien been described as perfect, but Emilie is very much framed that way, she's treated like the Madonna (not the singer) in that there is a big painting and a statue of her.
While thats a nice theory, I think its unlikely because the peacock and hawkmoth miraculous were only found a little bit before Adrien was "born" like a year probably
So prior to that It was probably just in the snow in Tibet
And even before the events of young master fu with feast it was guarded by all the guardians and celestial guardians
@@brinfreit4934 not necessarily. We know that a number of miraculouses have been in circulation at different points throughout history, so it could be possible that the peacock miraculous was used to create the ancestor sentibeing more than 172 years ago, and they don't have to be in Tibet either.
However, it is confirmed that descendants of a human sentibeing are just the same as normal humans and would not carry any "senti" traits
What worries me most, is that if, Adrien is actually a Senti-Monster, and the peacock Miraculous gets passed onto someone else, they have the power to literally snap him from his existence. Knowing Lila and Felix have high chances of being the new holders of the Miraculous is even more concerning. I feel like the only reason that Gabriel hasn’t snapped Adrien away is because of his emotional attachment with him and Emilie.
Yes, other than him being not a human (I'm really against this theory but the more I hear the believers say it, the more it makes sense...and sadly, I think the writers are only referring to what the fans theorize (e.g. Luka's father being Jagged Stone and Juleka being Luka's twin)), imagine if Gabriel found out Adrien is Cat Noir, do you think he'd make him disappear just so he could get the Black Cat Miraculous? Also, if he willingly gave the peacock Miraculous to Felix, wouldn't that mean that Felix has now control over his cousin and not his Father? Even though the ring is with Gabriel?
Perhaps Gabriel gave it away because he knew there was nothing that could be done to harm Adrien.
Honestly at this point I think I trust Felix with that more than I do Lila (or Gabriel, for that matter)
Also, i remember adrian saying there's like a force stopping him from speaking up to his father and felix replying "you cant, but i can"
Edit: i think this video came out before risk.
I'm gonna believe this theory because I so desperately want the series to have a CRUMB of good writing
And yet we keep watching
Lol exactly
same but at the same time i feel like it would be so incredibly sad
Oh dang.. that makes sense in the Risk episode, when Felix as Adrian disobeyed Gabriel and he was shocked then touched his finger where the ring was supposed to be. Maybe, Gabriel at that time was trying to control Adrien, but he couldn't because he gave the ring to Natalie. And if he was wearing it and could control Adrian and it didn't work, then Gabriel would know he's Felix.. Even though he did in the end.
As flawed as this show can be at times, it has a great through line and an excellent use of foreshadowing
Very true! I'm so impressed by this storyline it actually makes the flaws forgettable and forgivable to me lol
Yes I understand why people hate the show but I personally really love it for these reasons
As a newcomer to the show I'm discovering being a fan of Miraculous is pure agony, you have to take the good with the bad.
@@annika3265 to me the pain is part of the experience😂 i personally don’t mind the things others say are bad cause i really love the show overall. it’s not for everyone, but i sure do enjoy it hehe
Agreed. I think people are too harsh on it. Yes it has its flaws but there are a lot of positives aswell.
As an elaboration on the idea that Majura can't feel Adriens sentimonster-ness because of plagg:
Since plagg is one of the first kwamii and one of the strongest, that could very well overpower the magic of the peacock, especially since it was damaged during Adriens creation.
Its like spraying a strong perfume on a flower, the flower is there but it's hard to smell it over the artifical smell.
27:04 Mayura can sense amoks, not sentimonsters. The only reason why she could feel Feast was a sentimonster was because he ate his “amokized object”, and Natalie sensed it inside him. She can’t feel Cat Noir = Adrien because he isn’t in the possession of his amok.
I really wish this had been made after strike back I'd love to hear her opinion on that episode :)
Yes! Or like that one scene in Risk, when Gabriel gives Natalie the ring and tells her to take care of the Agrestes…
One thing of note, is his mother really dead? With the pod she’s in, and with all the power flowing down there, I thought she was in a coma on Life Support.
I think the pod is just to preserve the body to prevent decay
@@BlueBlazeKing just like Lenin
While it's not confirmed yet I agree it has so much evidence to it that's impossible to deny at this point. I just love how the theme of feathers has been prevelant since season 1 with Adrien's feather allergies and the feathers in his fragrance ad. Hopefully the finale will give some clues or confirm it, maybe it could be the cliff hanger? 🧐
I honestly totally forgot that it was never confirmed that Emilie used the peacock miraculous lmao, I just completely accepted it
So did I
Personally I think the Peacock got damaged during being lost by Fu running from Feast.
And Gabriel saying they did a mistake, I think it was that they used a damaged Miracoulous not that Adrian was the mistake
If this theory turns out to be unreal, it does make a fantastic fanfiction!
I believe both Adrien and Felix are Sentimomsters from one Amok feather. Let me explain why.
1. First of all we have proof that one Akuma can akumatize more than one person as long as all victims are holding into the object when the Akuma enters it. We've seen it happening to Marinette's girlfriends when Hawkmoth akumatized all 5 of them while they were holding into a bracelet they made.
2. We also know that if an Akuma enters an object and the object breaks at the same time, the Akuma will stay on both pieces and effect who ever is holding them as we've seen it happening on Luca's and Juleka's parents when they broke the record disc and the Akuma was still able to akumatize them both on Crocoduel
If those things can happen with the Akuma it should be able to happen with an Amok as well. If the rings are both made at the same metal it is safe to assume that Emily used the peacock to fuse an Amok feather to the rings when they were as one and then separated.
I think what happend was, Emily placed the Amok inside a metal bar and they cut the bar into two pieces at the same time as the Amok was entering it, allowing both Emily and Gabriel to both have one sentimonster each. Emily created Adrien and Gabriel created Felix. That would explain in why Adrien takes so much after his mother while Felix shares the same character as Gabriel. Then they melted the two pieces of iron bars to create the rings. And since both rings are from the same Amok feather one ring could control both Adrien and Felix but perhaps only one at a time and they would need to have both rings to control them both at the same time.
Now the reason I believe Felix and Adrien are from the same Amok feather, is because on part one of the season finale, when Felix pretended to be Adrien to tell Gabriel that he didn't want to leave Paris, Gabriel noticed how he could not control him without the ring because Natalie had it. But when Natalie told Felix they need to leave, Felix suddenly agreed with her and followed her without a second thought. That proves that the same ring that controls Adrien can also control Felix and the other ring that belongs to Gabriel can do the same.
I also want to throw up the fact that Feather monsters are the only thing that we know of that can survive a cataclysm and Adrian has survived it twice
I think it represents the fact that fact Cataclysm wasn’t design to kill. And since Sentimonster are Living beings it hurt them instead of killing them.
@@KavinCatastrophe Understandable counterpoint the dinosaurs Every time it is worked on vegetation And it's at the very least something CN did not know Because in dark Cupid he says "I wonder what would happen if I used to do on a human"
thomas has stated the suit makes them indestructable. ladybug would also survive a cataclysm
@@breatulu ok
@@breatulu I wish that were true because I am sad every time Chat Noir gets vaporized.
Personally I think Gabriel is or rather was a interesting villain a the start of the series. The fact that he does everything to save his wife a save his family but lost himself in the process and became a villain and bitter father is interesting. I some episode he really regrets his strict education of his son or cares about him when he was in danger: like a loving father. But now he is just a villain to be a villain and just do things so we have to hate him.
That's can also be applied to Chloé. Don't get me wrong i don't like her, she is annoying, manipulative, mean... But saison 2 give us a character groove and redemption Arc. We learned about her Motiv, her family situation (her mother), why she is like that and frankly some times her friendship whit Sabrina is sweet. All that let to make Chloé a better person in season 2 and in end effect quen bee🐝. But just because the author don't like her she get evil again and we have to hate her cause this show tell us people newer change 🙄.
2 characters how got literally assassinated in my opinion.
With Evolution coming out, I think it's pretty clear that Gabriel was meant to be driven to madness on this path and not be a sympathetic villain anymore.
I do believe that Astruc tweeted once saying that The Cat Noir Miraculous aura is stronger than the Peacocks. So Mayura won’t pick up the cat as a sentí monster like other sentí monsters due to that. The black cat Miraculous powerful aura would hide it.
The theory has been confirmed folks. Gabriel and emilie used the peacock to create adrien because she couldn’t get pregnant, and Felix’s dad was also desperate for an heir, so he borrowed the peacock to create felix with Amelie. Felix was created out of anger and hatred, while adrien was created out of love. That is probably why their personalities are so different.
Also as to why they look so similar, they only have their mothers genes, none from their fathers, so of course they will look like twins just as their mothers since they only have their mothers genetics.
Felix’s dad abused Felix using the ring with his amok, Felix realised he was a sentimonster when the ring became damaged and physically pained Felix. When Felix’s dad succumbed to the illness caused by the damaged miraculous, Felix finally took claim of the ring that controls him. He became aware that adrien is also like him, being controlled thru a ring on Gabriel’s hand and wished to save him
i honestly really like the idea of them being sentimonsters, it’s clever and a good plot.
The last episode basically confirms your theory. Felix exchanged all the miraculous for the peacock one and shows only interest in keepind the peacock miraculous.
So we know that a sentimonster can use a miraculous and even get akumatised, but can you create a sentimonster from the emotions of another sentimonster? Could you create a theoretically infinite chain of sentimonsters born from each other's emotions? How many could you actually make before it breaks the peacock or triggers a world-ending catastrophe? So many questions...
I forgot about Wishmaker, I definitely have believed more than less in this theory since then and now with this video, I can’t really imagine that this theory isn’t going to be confirmed.
me waiting for toon ruins to update after watching risk like 🥰🥰
reasons i like this theory (not exactly reasons i believe it, just reasons i think it’s a good twist in the story):
1. has the potential to be rlly powerful for adrien’s character arc. whenever he finds a way to free himself, whether by getting ahold of his own amok, or even finding out how to destroy his connection to it, it’ll be so meaningful as a symbol of overcoming abuse and finding freedom.
2. whenever mari/ladybug finds out abt all this, hopefully we’ll get to see her go fierce protector mode to defend adrien/chat and encourage him that he’s still an amazing and valid person (please??? this would be so cute???)
3. also since mari, who holds the miraculous of creation, is known for her bravery, agency, and creativity-traits adrien as a senti never had a chance to have growing up-it gives more reason to root for mari and adrien’s relationship. she can help him bring out his humanity, heal and grow into himself. if that makes sense lol
4. like she said in the video, it’s such a good metaphor for abuse. since the show is for kids it can’t super easily have the characters talk blatantly about abuse, but it CAN talk about sentimonsters. this lets them deal with a heavy topic in a kid-friendly way.
5. it honestly just…makes the show more interesting/dark/sorta angsty?? which ngl i’m totally here for. imagine the dramatic scenes we’re in for if this is true… tell me i’m not the only one who gets weirdly excited about this? 😂
6. sentimonster jokes/ memes are hilarious sorry
(feel free to reply if you think of more)
I agree with you. I also get so excited whenever the show goes on a really dark turn. It gives flavour. And yes. I just want a proper Adrien arc. I hate this show for a lot of reasons but because of the lore and potential I'm still here lmao.
This is the first support of the sentimonster theory that I don't hate. It's really bothered me that they'd take a kid who's already suffering and add being a 'monster' to his plate, but you may be right that it could be an age-appropriate teachable moment about abuse. I've been stuck on Adrien spiraling out of control when he finds out, but maybe I'm thinking about it with too much adult baggage (imagining the trauma it will expose). Mari will certainly be his advocate if this happens, which will be sweet. My instinct is to say, but that's not enough. But maybe for a kids show, it will be.
Yes! I completely agree with you! Especially the first two points. That would actually be so cool.
The fandom would be very disappointed if Adrien ended up being a sentimonster. My theory is that Emily made Felix (a sentimonster) out of Adrien. This would explain why the twins are so alike and somehow bonded to the same curse. Notice how the sentimonsters always resembles someone else.
You present a very compelling argument. I can certainly see how this theory might be true - and I hate it. Please don't take that as an attack on you. Your video is very well done and you've presented the theory very well; but you asked us what we thought of the theory, and what I think is that I hate it. Adrian has been abused and lived his life desperately trying to be good enough and never feeling like he is, even though he's helped so many people. It's heart breaking and he deserves a happy ending by the end of this show. And I don't care how they decide to spin it, finding out you are not a real person but instead a doll given life who can be controlled or even snapped out of existence is a horrifying revelation. I really hope they don't do this to Adrian. He deserves better, and the longer the show runs the worse the show treats him; and I hate that too. 😔 You did present the idea very well though, so even though I don't like the theory, I do think you did a good job with your video.
Hes not a doll, the whole episode with the Senti-Ladybug was to show that people created using the peacock miraculous are still just regular living creatures, they just so happen to have been born from magic.
Regular people can be controlled or snapped out of existence, you just need to do it in non-magical ways like blackmail and guns, but this theory being true is a chance to give Adrien the growth he deserves, he'll struggle with the idea of himself not being a real person (which isnt true, it doesn't matter how anyone is born in real life, lgbt, black, asian, it just so happens in this show that being born from magic is just another thing on that list) but the Senti-Ladybug episode proved sentimonsters are real people so he will eventually realise that himself and finally get some character development, which will allow him to be his true self more and even further the romance plots because he's morw comfortable with himself as a person
@@Luke-fu5co Black-mail doesn't hijack your will. Guns are not as instant or fool proof as being snapped out of existence and carry with it a much higher legal consequence. I maintain that it would be horrifying to discover your existence is so ephemeral. Being born various ethnicities or orientations is not the same as being crafted and controllable by someone else. Senti-monsters have much more in common with AI. Are AIs real people? I suppose the show does make the argument that they are. Personally I didn't feel anything towards sentibug, she was a copy, just like sentinino and sentigabriel, and none of them felt like real people to me. Even when sentibug was given free will she still acted the way ladybug would have acted, reinforcing her status as a copy, not a unique individual. Though I'll allow that the show might be able to make them feel like people given the time to do so since they have made characters like Marcov and Aeon endearing. So fine, AI robot instead of doll. It still would be a kick in the gut to find out you're a robot if you didn't know it from the start. Now I can accept that something like that can be an interesting thing to watch a character work through, sure, but it's not the only way to give Adrian character development. Watching a character break out from under the thumb of an abusive parent and learn to find confidence in themselves and forge their own path can be a very compelling narative, just look at Avatar's Zuko. Personally, I prefer that angle, but I understand that others might prefer the creation breaking free from their creator option. However I don't think the sentimonster option is a good one for the romance plot. At least not the love square plot. The end goal is to defeat shadowmoth and have the guardian, Marinette, take the peacock and butterfly miraculouses back. That means she would hold the power to control Adrien or snap him out of existence. Even if she would never do so, she would still hold that power, and that's a very uncomfortable dynamic in my opinion. Not the sort of dynamic I would personally like to see in a happily every after. And, as I said, what I don't like about this theory is that it's not the sort of ending I was hoping for for Adrian. Is it a path the show might take? Yes. Interesting? Perhaps, depending on how they handled it. But a satisfying conclusion to Adrian's story? Not in my opinion. You are welcome to yours, but I find this theory depressing.
@Zade you described how Adrien is. He's like Pinocchio, given life as a doll but not a real boy... similar to a human being just different of where he came from. Imagine the revelation if Marinette/Ladybug finds this out...she'd be furious and sad. She'd probably accept him nonetheless, but I think he deserved a better life. Imagine him living infinitely while watching everyone he cares for die; or him disappearing all of a sudden because his Father died or the Miraculous is totally broken.
i think my biggest beef with the theory is the fact that one day Adrian could just be snapped out of existence and that makes me so uncomfy
That’s the whole reason why Felix has the peacock miraculous now!! To protect himself, Adrien, and Kagami from being destroyed! If you haven’t watched Season 5 yet, I highly recommend it! It’s pretty obvious now that Adrien and Felix are indeed sentimonsters, along with Kagami!
Oh boy, strike back has added some more fuel to this fire.
You've convinced me, now I'm scared and hyped to see where the story takes this.
This theory is so good the amount of things you’ve said to back this up, and the fact that I’m not even halfway through. I’ve always loved your theories an analysis but this might be your best and most concrete theory to date, and it’ll only go up from there
I have a comprehensive theory about senti!Adrien (& Felix) I started on reddit a few months ago. We have a lot of the same ideas!
You definitely covered a lot of different (and in my opinion) convincing pieces of evidence other CZcamsrs haven't covered yet. I hope this helps to convince people!
Regarding Nathalie, Thomas clarified this on Twitter that she can only sense the amok.
i'm here after risk and i wanna cry
It has been awhile since I have been keeping up with MLB, so forgive me. But has the show given a timeframe as to when Emilie supposedly got sick and disappeared. One thing I have been debating is whether or not Emilie and Gabriel would have made Adrien from when he was a baby or if Adrien was a real and died, but they used the peacock miraculous to "revive" him.
There isn't an exact point in time in which Emilie got sick so for now we assume it happened gradually. It's confirmed, though, she disappeared a bit more than a year prior to the current events. In the episode Felix (Ep 23 of season 3) it was the first anniversary of her disappearance.
she died abt a year before the show, although i think she may have been sick for a while and it was very gradual
now you gotta make a video update about everything that happened up to the finale😀
The snap my fingers but just sounds like normal rich people threats to me
I agree with you
"The Grandeville *twin* rings" what if Amile/Emile (one or both) are also sentimonsters? Adrien or Felix could be half sentimonster-half human
This video aged like a fine wine ,who is here after season 4 finale risk
Ikr
You mean wine, this is so great, we're actually going to get some character development for Adrien next season 😊
Lea you are an awesome content creator and I'm so glad you decided to bless us all with another video!
Honestly, I already knew about this theory and most of its evidence, but your video just lays it all on the table so perfectly, it just has to be true. I hope they reveal it soon so we can watch the entire fandom implode :D
here is one thing that I've noticed: Felix seems to be aware that he's a sentimonster while Adrien's not
Men, I hope Felix will be good and help Adrien out of this situation if he figures out all of this, it would be really sweet
Honestly I won't be surprised if they told us in the show that they are Sentimonsters! There is so much evidence and it all makes so much sense, that it actually makes me want to believe for good
According to the episode "Gabriel Agreste" the ring that Felix stole was Emilie's. Meaning if the ring Gabriel currently wears is an amok that he either switched them out before Felix's last visit just in case the latter somehow managed to get his hands on it or that Gabriel decided to leave the amok there for safe keeping. I doubt either is true given how arrogant Gabriel is and that he would keep it on his person to use against his son.
Hummm have you seen the last episode of this season? Would love to see what you have to say about it 🤔
Aye, good to see another video from you! I don’t think both Adrien and Felix could be sentimonsters, because I feel like that would just really throw things into a huge loop, and it’ll make a lot of the story complicated
On the contrary I think I would tie a lot of current loose ends, and it would give Adrien a good character arc.
I'm against this as well yet I'm here. T-T I don't like the idea but the writers seem to take what the fans want and made the idea their own.
I would point out that the key difference between "Chat Blanc" and "Ephemeral", is in Ephemeral, Adrien is shown his mother by Gabriel after Gabriel suspects he's Chat Noir (without Ladybug being present). It's offscreen, but I think Gabriel explained to Adrien why exactly he wanted both the miraculous of the Ladybug and the Cat. I would argue, if the Sentimonster theory isn't actually correct, that the reason Adrien puts up no fight whatsoever in Ephemeral is because he wants his mother back. (I mean that might even be the case if the theory IS correct, but eh.)
My biggest complaint if they go this route is that it will kinda feel like all the time spent with Adrien was kinda that "It was just a dream" effect, if they kill one or the other off.
My theory regarding the sentimonster thing is if ONLY ONE of the boys are a sentimonster. That would explain why they look alike- one kid was born then the other created looking like them.
Personally I think it would be interesting if Felix was a sentimonster.
But MLB doesn't have the best track record. So I'll wait and see if they actually follow this rabbit trail.
I just realized the sentimonster Adrien theory was in season 1 in pigeon man. How? Feather allergy. The amuk is power, regular fethers are a against it as a feedback in form of sneezes
28:30 I'm assuming Thomas is referring to Lancelot. If so, it's fitting, as Lancelot was created by a French author.
ooo this is a really interesting theory but I don’t think that adriens mom “died” bc it was something that seemed to have happened recently, but it has been shown that Chloe and Adrien knew each other as kids. so the timeline is a little murky, still pretty cool!!!
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I do believe Felix knew quite a bit about the Miraculouses, for example, in the episode Gabriel Agreste, he took a large interest in Alya's post on the Ladyblog about the Miraculous's and their wearers, and how they shouldn't fall into the wrong hands, and I believe if he is a sentimonster, he knows where he came from, and he knows Gabriel is Shadow Moth, that was why he was so convinced he wasn't wrong.
Back in 2019 I watched a video talking about this theory, but it was very basic and had no clear evidence. Later I started noticing somethings in the show that could be leading us to this theory, and so last year I found your first part of the sentimonster theory and completely agreed. Since season 4 started being released, I’ve been 100% sure this theory was going to extend, and look at us now! Although some people still think there’s not enough proof to this, I think that the creators did a pretty good job with the foreshadowing! Before watching this video I also believed Felix was Adrien’s “Senti-twin”, and now I believe it even more. Great video and theory, well done and very detailed! 💕
Okay I am on board with the theory of the boys being sentimonsters and I noticed something that wasn't mentioned . On the risk episode Adrien tells Felix that he can't disobey his father and Felix said you can't but I can. Fast forward Gabriel gives Nathalie the ring before her and "Adrien" leaves and Felix proceeds to tell Gabriel that he didn't want to go and Gabriel has a look of shock and maybe somewhat fear on his face as he tries to twirl the ring but it isn't on his finger and then Nathalie says Adrien its time to go and adjusts her glasses but basically a show that she is wearing the ring and Felix obeys her. Fast forward to the strike back episode a continuation of risk when Felix is .making the deal to get the peacock miraculous from Gabriel he tell Gabriel he would give him the ring because he wouldn't be needing it anymore and Gabriel says how do WE know you won't use the peacock miraculous against us in which Felix replies if I wanted to harm you uncle I would have done it a long time ago
All this trouble when they could've just adopted, they certainly have the money for it lol
Finally a Video explaining everything. Good job. Best SentiAdrien video Ever.
And now that the season 4 finale is out, I’d like to think it’s now confirmed (we just need a “yes my son is in fact a sentimonster” from Gabriel in the canon show) because of the events of the 2 part finale
Emilie's status as the prievous peacock miraculous holder was outright confirmed in one of the Miraculous Secrets videos. "Nathalie, as seen by Gabriel".
I have one counter to the ring argument, at least on the Adrian side. Since that ring is connected to his mother he would be aware of it's value and would likely also hold values to him, and in the episode Empheral when he's told that he's honoring the memory of his mother, and we see how he's talking to him, is it not possible rather than this being controlling a sentimonster just how he was treated growing up and he learned how he hand to respond in a situation like that. Obviously he talked to him as he would has hawkmoth, but we've seen hawkmoth talk like that from day one meaning he likely did it before.
Another thing I'd like to comment on is the perfect theory, paired with everything else it is plausible, but also wouldn't you call someone you love perfect. Cat Nior thinks Ladybug is perfect because he loves her and same with Marinette to Adrian.
Don't get me wrong I love the theory but I am a critic. Still fantastic video and thanks for getting my brain working :D
MY MIND HAS BEEN BLOWN
Question: wouldn't the Kwamis know Sentimonsters when they see them or around them for a period of time? After all Ladybug's yoyo reveals Sentimonsters
Master Fu would have known if Adrien was a Sentimonster
16:07 oh MY GOD I didn't even process this line AHHHH
woaaah, how I did not know this before! you have to make a new episode now the Season 5 Representation episode is out there. it's literally out there.
@toonruins I really love your vids! Your explanations and research are awesome!!
im laughing so much with the gloob line, you're so right. for the theory id expect them to make a plottwist based on what theyve said too and make the sentimonster Emily's sister or something like that but all those hints would be completely misleading to the point that they wouldnt even be hints anymore
My one thing is Chat Noir cataclysmed himself in a recent episode. It's confirmed that cataclysming a sentient makes them go berserk and lose connection with their controller. So why didn't that happen to Adrian?
It happened in chat Blanc, he tried cataclysming himself and it made him go insane, but he wasn’t able to kill himself
I was a non-believer at first... But now I see the light 👼🏿 I think the ring fidgeting made me take it more seriously, but I can't believe I didn't even consider the threat Gabriel made to Felix 🤦🏿
i really want to see your take on it after the s4 finale
I think that the glasses also have some sort of symbolism or sentient action going on. Maybe when Nathalie moved her glasses, showing the ring, it was actually the glasses that the emphasis was on. Plus, when Gabe makes a sentient monster of himself he uses his glasses. Rewatching season four I just found a lot of emphasis that was not necessary put on the glasses. Felix also has a sort of spy glass thing. Any thoughts? Did anyone else notice that? I may update this theory after rewatching some more episodes.
noooooo, I came her because I thought the theory is nonsense but now I wanna turn back time because this makes too much sense and I wanna cry D:
Risk also further proves this theory
Oh ya and now in season 5 epi :emotion -felix creates a senti-monster but it becomes uncontrollable and felix has to release it from existence then he says” forgive me sister but i have to release you from existence” so he def is a senti-being
I remeber in Risk that when Felix is pretending to be Adrien, Gabriel is talking to who he thinks is Adrien he is like Ahh no, my ring. Where is it
you might need to make a part 3 since Emotion came out
This video my brain do a somersault (in the best way). Incredibly well-done!! 😄
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I love how the clues were there since season 1 and it was like a silly theory at the start but just now, JUST NOW, everyone is like “oh fuck, oh shit, oh fuck” because it could be true.
I just came back to the fandom to find it on fire, this theory having really strong evidence, and Marinette having a mental breakdown. What the absolute fuck Thomas?
Also, why Emilie has blue eyes and Gabriel green ones (20:28)? Wtf
your intro>>>
Wow! I love the animated opening!
If they are. All I can say is Duusu is the mother!
sergeant mothers do exist!
*Warning spoilers* (if you haven seen the episode risk don't read)
omg so in the episode risk, Felix takes Adrien place so he can try and tell Adrien's farter that he doesn't want to go on a trip around the world and then Gabriel does his ring thing and Adrien (aka Felix) still says no, he just has this look of shock on this face and at the time I just though this was weird but now it make so much sense.
i think if a sentimonster can have a portal to pocket dimension and create guilt inducing orbs they can probably age and get sick, especially a sentimonster created to be a normal child
Prior to Representation, many of us had assumed that each of the twin rings were their own separate object, and that Adrien and Felix’s amoks were placed on each of the rings respectively. However, after watching Representation, there were many plot points that did not add up if we were to assume that each ring was its own object:
1. Gabriel would have no reason to be afraid of Felix. If Felix’s amok was housed in one of the twin rings he was wearing, he would have simply have used his ring to gain control or influence over Felix the same way he did with Adrien.
2. Felix/Flairmidable would have never have traded the Miracle Box and Gabriel’s stolen ring for the Peacock Miraculous with Gabriel in the episode Strike Back. Once again, assuming that the ring Felix stole from Gabriel housed Felix’s own amok, Gabriel would quickly have gained control over Felix and force him to give back the Peacock Miraculous. And yes, in this assumption Gabriel would still have influence over Felix even when he is Flairmidable (As proven with Shadow Moth and Cat Noir in the episode Cat Blanc). It would have been a lose situation for Felix since in this hypothetical scenario, Gabriel would obtain the Miracle Box, the Peacock Miraculous, and one of the twin rings that was taken from him.
3. Why would Gabriel gain control of a child that is not his? Also, I would like to point out something that many people overlooked and it is that Felix was wearing another ring in his other hand. In Representation, we learned that the other ring that Felix is wearing belonged to his late father, Colt Fathom, which is also where Felix’s amok is housed.
Is it possible that The creation of two sentimonsters at the same time is what broke the peacock miraculous?
I just want Adrien to STOP BEING FLIPPING PERFECT!!!! 🤣
I didn't see anything big happen in miraculous ladybug so I'll just wait and see.
I like the idea of this theory. Honestly there is a lot of great theorys about MLB. It's sad they are not canon or if they are going to be, there is a chance writers might not show it in a right way.
This season in general for me is feeling really rushed. I’m sure it’s to make the feeling of “Marinette is busy because she’s the guardian now” but there is A LOT going on in episodes now.
The fans: I think Adrien is a sentimonster
The Show: shidd thas a good idea
I’m literally pissing myself at her saying “it’s so obvious” bc like...I didn’t notice any of this when I was watching💀
this theory is great and interesting, but the only thing i don't like about it - well, it would kinda "dehumanise" Adrien. Not in a sense that sentimonsters aren't human, but the concept of Adrien as a character to us, the audience.
Adrien, as a "perfect" child with the expectations and pressure of his abusive father on him:
1) is unable to go against Gabriel's word, fears him
2) didn't have a childhood dream, doesn't know what he wants to become in the future
Those are real struggles of many children, and it is why Adrien is so easy to empathize with / he becomes a sort of inspiration to many. While this theory would be a good metaphor for this problem, i think it takes away from specifically Adrien's character and his autonomy
In the episode where hawk moth had the miraculous of the bunny he wanted to travel back to the moment where emily used the broken peacock miraculous because he wanted to avoid her getting sick but if adrien was a sentimonster why would he do this because adrien wouldn’t exist
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It’s obvious that he doesn’t rlly care about adrien anymore, he is only obsessed with power and tries to convince himself that it’s for emilies sake. Even Nathalie in season 5 tries to tell him that he’s gone mad, that his pursuit is no longer for his family but for his own obsession with power
What if what is actually going on is that Felix is the real sentimonster and Adrien was who he was based on, Adrien having grown up being told by Gabriel Felix could disappear if he misbehaved just through saying so with the ring on so Adrien had tried his best to be as obedient as he could until realizing Gabriel hadn't threatened it when he first began disobeying.
Gabriel viewing Felix as what he wishes he could make Adrien into though until Felix stole the ring, but before then that being the reason he would push Adrien so hard to be perfect like Felix always was said to be as an artificial person.
Though the ring rubbing thing bringing that all back to make Adrien fear he'd never get to see his cousin again, especially when he doesn't know which ring exactly was the "felix ring" and that Gabriel doesn't/didn't have it anymore.
And that everything trying to hint to adrien being the sentimonster was a red herring while they slowly were to include Felix more into things.
i mean, i highly doubt this myself, but at the very least it'd make a cool au
That would be so cool!!
The whole sentimonster theory kinda falls apart if you consider the fact that it was never confirmed that Emile couldn’t have kids 🧍🏻
The whole theory is just resting on, “ IF Emile Agreste couldn’t have kids.”
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