Rock Feuds: Stevie Nicks vs. Lindsey Buckingham
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- čas přidán 16. 05. 2024
- The personal and professional relationship between Stevie Nicks and Lindsey Buckingham has been a source of drama for decades. The duo was romantically involved when they joined Fleetwood Mac in 1974, and their addition helped spawn instant commercial success.
Unfortunately, rock stardom doesn’t often foster a healthy relationship. They broke up during sessions for 1977's 'Rumours,' but both sides agreed they would remain in the band - at least initially.
In the latest edition of Rock Feuds, we take a deep dive into the complicated relationship of Stevie Nicks and Lindsey Buckingham.
0:00 Introduction
0:20 This is a unique Rock Feud
0:31 How Lindsey and Stevie first met
0:40 The early days of their collaboration
1:10 Their first record deal and the Buckingham Nicks album
1:20 The cracks start to develop
1:46 Buckingham and Nicks join Fleetwood Mac
2:04 Things come to a head
3:00 Working with your ex is a challenge
3:40 They found a way to make it work. Sort of.
4:11 The difficulties of completing Tango in the Night
4:46 Fleetwood Mac find their way past previous complications
4:59 Yet there was still friction
5:43 The dynamic between Stevie and Lindsey
6:29 The tension boils over again
6:47 Lindsey departs from Fleetwood Mac, again
7:31 What's the problem?
8:10 Lindsey says there was no chance for closure
8:30 Their fragmented relationship
9:01 Conclusion
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Had it not been for all these break-ups: Stevie leaving Lindsey, Christine leaving John, and even Mick Fleetwood's own wife leaving him, I do not believe their 1977 album Rumours would have been nearly as successful, 'cause these divorces were what made the album.
Love Stevie Nicks
she so so Kool on my bucket list to see her got to hurry up though hopefully it's soon soon soon keep rock in girl friend ur #1
I agree
Creativity, in the artistic world, thrives on amorous conflict
yea Stevie broke up John and Mick's marriages while she was torturing Lindsay-thats why they called it "Rumors"
To be in the pressure cooker of tumultuous relationship break-ups amidst all the other mind-bending stresses related with multiple personality takes and outlooks on how to establish and maintain a cohesive force to drive the band towards greater heights and overcoming hurdles to become rock icons is a herculean feat in itself.
How ironical that Stevie, who was the plus one when she joined the band with Lindsey, ended up being the indispensable one when Mick finally had to make the choice.
Lindsey, even here in this video, says so many hurtful things about Stevie. Talking at the end of this video and hinting of Stevie's jealousy that he had married and had children and she didn't was one of the cruelest things he has said yet. I'm understanding Stevie more with every video of Lindsey I watch.
Guess he would say such disgusting things about her, seeing as how HE was JEALOUS of HER solo career, and the fact that his didn't go anywhere (his first solo album not included!) And all his jealousy led up to him CHOKING her, in '87, which I find unforgivable! Just glad the other men of Fleetwood were there to handle his a** on that day! Never cared for him after finding out about that incident, years ago. So, it sounds as though he's still scorned by Stevie's MAJOR success over his.
By all accounts he was hard to deal with
@@VivaciousVirgO you really need to read Mick’s autobiography to get the whole story of what happened in 87. Is it unforgivable that she was hitting him during that fight and it got out of hand? Not excusing his actions, but she was slapping him because he announced he was leaving the band and wouldn’t be touring.
@@randypowers2503 Excuse me? I know all I need to know about that altercation. And I said what I said! He put his hands around HER throat and caused harm! He was always bitter towards her and the success she had (and still has to this day).
What was hurtful? He's speaking his truth. Fired from band because ego hurt? The family she didn't have is not his responsibility.
Dang, Lindsey. Shots fired towards the end there, calling Stevie an old maid.
Yea all slick and indirect and shit
The thing is ..Stevie did get married and raised an adopted son ( he is her best friends son ,who died from an illness) .Steviehas had him since a very young age .She wasn’t andisnt Arnold maid .Them two have never had closure .Lindsey wrote “ Say Goodbye” and dedicates it Stevie to say that he’s finally moved on .
I think that Stevie and Lindsey are fuel to each others fires. Not everyone can let go of the past, Unfortunately for all they spend their time playing the blame and shame game. Think of all the beautiful music these two extraordinarily gifted people could have created together over the years. It takes two to tango in the dark.
Sometimes bands get more creative out of adversity than when they get along. It's a weird dynamic but often true in the music industry. It's not only applicable to Mac but other great bands. Pete Townsend and Roger Daltry were quite often at loggerheads in the heydey of The Who. Townsend was very close to kicking Daltry out at one point. The Beatles had similar dysfunction as time went on.
i totaly agree good stuff!
They did make music. They were utterly amazing together. It was Lindsey Buckingham's guitar playing that really brought those songs to life, and I don't think the band had the same magic without him. Stevie never would have risen to the same level of success without him. Sometimes people can be wildly attracted to each other and not be able to get along. Lots of baggage on both sides.Stevie was no saint either.
@@kathyshore1004 I totally agree with you. What I meant to say is unfortunately because of their resentment towards each other they didn't continue to make more beautiful music together. Personally I think their last great album was Tango in the Dark.
Tango in the night
Imagine being this angry at your ex into your seventies
Live your whole life living with and seeing your toxic ex every day and then talk
Right? That goes for both of them. Talk about not being able to let it go, already!
Lindsey Buckingham is a MONSTER guitar player!
His strumming technique alone makes him legendary. I don’t know how he can strum with the backs of his fingers without tearing into his fingers or nails.
He's also a monster. Did you know he threw a guitar at Stevie during a concert?
@@janetduncan87 Stevie deserved it.
@@esteban1487 wow, that says a lot about your own attitude to women
@@EmlynBoyle Wow are you dumb!
So much Drama for this band and they still managed to rock it. They are impressive and beautiful and they’re human. ❤
Stevie Nicks was pure heart, a little crazy and amazingly talented. We enjoyed every visit she made to Arcadia and I could listen to her sing acapella under Camelback skies forever. Leave her be, she’s given out enough goodness to our world.
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Yea, not so sure about all that
she gave a lot of "goodness" to lots of men all over celebritydom! that's for sure.
@@theoverunderthinker 🤣🤣
@@theoverunderthinker what a retarded comment. Matches the commenter
I think we should leave their personal life to them and be grateful that they were professional enough to gift us with all the great music they performed together. My favorite is, "Peacekeeper." That really says it all.
I agree with you Jannette! None of us were there & we don’t have all the facts that really went on behind the scenes. At this point in time I don’t care. That was between them. Not my business. After all they were together when she joined Lindsey’s band years before they were in FM.
The arguing between people over them at this point is rather silly.
Have a good weekend 🌟
Good morning Jayanna (beautiful name, by the way). You have a good weekend too. "Say You Will"🎶
I had that album too. There were a lot of great new songs.
Then why are you watching this video about their feud?
@@Cleangasoline99 good point
I love both Lindsey and Stevie equally. Their music was and is a huge part of my life and brings me joy. I choose to believe they are truly in love with each other. He's an ass at times and she's intolerable. So aren't we all. If they are faking their love then they should win an award for best actors.
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@@thepglenn well who didn't. that doesnt even count. between the two of them, it didn't even happen. explain to Lindsey!
Buckingham Nicks is a WONDERFUL album. I suggest every FM fan should at least give it a listen.
Well, as of now, with Christine McVie’s passing, it’s not gonna matter who left or got fired: Fleetwood Mac is put to bed, according to Mick Fleetwood himself.
Kinda reminds me of the movie Daisy Joan’s And The Six, love the movie !
So true, Stevie’s tribute of Landslide shows how the loss hurt. So wanted someone to console her earlier ❤
I think Lindsey waited for Stevie to reconcile their tumultuous relationship, but like he said, you can’t get closure if you’re around them at all times. I think they were both hurting, but they knew that the work they produced together in Fleetwood Mac made a world of difference, even in spite of one another. It was their therapy to move on alongside one another regardless of that immense pain. It wasn’t the therapy they actually truly needed, but they prevailed otherwise, writing about each other and producing phenomenal music. Despite that, they were lovers and claim to always be in some way, even though Lindsey married and had kids. And maybe Stevie did have an internal problem with that, because like she said in one interview, their dynamic on stage was almost more romantic than what they lost. Words not verbatim, mind you, but if she felt that way and he moved on, she’s the front runner and could call the shots to remove him. But I do think that’s a foul decision, even after all he said about her jealousy toward him later finding a soul mate and having kids and she didn’t. Again, a tumultuous relationship that should’ve been handled better early on with professional help versus drug use and exposure to one another after the split on a regular basis. I just hope they both find peace for each other in the end.
I do not think she was hurting.
She kept rejecting him.
I will never understand why.
@@c.c.6930 terrible..........
He's a narcissist and she probably has BPD. Add to that sex, drugs, and rock and roll, and you've got a recipe for nothing but disaster.
@@c.c.6930there are many, many people who talked about Lindsey’s abusive behavior- he choked his producer, his partner after Stevie, punched women in the face… and that’s the nice version of it.
During the 97’ Dance tour, there were legit rumors that Stevie and Lindsey were romantically getting involved again. It was during that time, Lindsey’s GF (now wife), notified Lindsey she was pregnant. Footage (Stevie breaking down in tears and not being able to finish songs), and fan comments regarding that tour, confirm that that news was devastating for her. The emotions on that tour were heightened for both Lindsey and Stevie, just watch videos from that tour. Lindsey didn’t marry his wife until after their second child, and Stevie stated in an interview that there was always a chance for them to get back together, until he had his first child. I think she was referring to that time. Anyone who says they are only acting, and doesn’t recognize the way they look at each other, where we can feel that connection ourselves when we see it, is crazy. They have a powerful connection. It’s a shame there was always something there pulling them apart. So I also think that Lindsey always waited for Stevie..
Bittersweet relationship. Maybe too many regrets, too much love, too many people interfering, too many hurtful words. Who knows...only those 2 I guess. I love the music and that's what I cherish.
Thank you so much for your documentary I really enjoyed it. I am a massive fan of Fleetwood Mac and I find it very hard to accept that it has all come to an end - however that is life and we have some wonderful music to remember them by.
They'll tour again without Christine and I won't go.
Stevie Nicks is a rare kind of artistic genius and I adore her. But I hate to say it, it seems like she overreacted and singled out Lindsey for that onstage incident.
Also, not a great look for Lindsey to publicly speculate that Stevie was mad at him because he had kids and she didn’t.
I thought that was her choice
another old childless lonely women. i'm shocked
That was a vicious and hurtful thing for Lindsey to say. Why poor salt in the wound? Besides, not getting married and/or having children, is a personal choice. It was Stevie's choice. Who is he to judge Stevie and her life choices?
@@dallassegno That's your perception, which is wrong. Stevie isn't lonely. She has a VERY full life.
@@gypsy698 she’s lonely or a narc. It’s one of the two.
Stevie wants to go back to being fun but part of being fun is not taking things seriously. And the minute people had "fun while she was having her speech, she took offense.
You can't have it both ways, Stevie. Such a great group. Have fun with it.
That was disrespectful of all of them.
I think a big part of the draw is the mysterious aspect of it all. Why did they really break up? What was that big fight between them at the end of recording Rumours? All. I know for sure, is I absolutely fell in love with the Buckingham Nicks album in 1972. I don't believe Fleetwood Mac would have made it to the BIG time without BOTH Lindsey and Stevie.
That 1973 album you mention also had the pair fighting over the album's cover shoot. Stevie bought a $111 blouse but Lindsey hated it, so he made her pose in the nude. In fact, Stevie was crying tears when this happened.
more credit to lindsay..
@@ClassicTVMan1981X good God he was a monster!! Lol - made her pose nude? Really? God I get a kick how whenever a popular woman gets divorced she becomes a victim!
@Brandy Baker Right, she scoffed at him, "This is not art -- this is me taking a nude photograph with you, and I don't dig it."
@@roccosantanelli2802 spoken like a true ignorant man
Hearing Lindsey call Kristen his “soulmate” cracks me up. Lindsey couldn’t quit Stevie until Kristen gave him a “me (& the kids) or Stevie” ultimatum late in their marriage! And imo, it was Stevie’s jealousy over Lindsey doing a CD with Christine that was the final straw…that award speech hoopla was an excuse.
well said, irishgrl.
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I’ve been a Buckingham/Nicks shipper since 75 😂
Why people are posting that Stevie being inducted into the Hall of Fame twice makes her better than Lindsey doesn't make sense to me. There are so many great artists not in the R&R Hall of Fame - it doesn't mean anything. I still love those artists who are my favorites that aren't in the Hall of Fame. Some artists in the Hall of Fame I don't feel should be there at all. I fell in love with Fleetwood Mac when Rumours came out. I learned who all the members were and like many fans, Stevie Nicks was my favorite. I liked Lindsey too, and Christine, but Stevie was the #1 reason I loved Fleetwood Mac. Saw them in concert a few times as well as Stevie, Lindsey, and Christine solo, and Lindsey and Christine together. After years of putting up with their childish behavior as they got older, I think they're all obnoxious and annoying to some degree. My opinion is that Stevie got Lindsey kicked out of the band going from what I believe after hearing everyone who's spoken about it. When that happened, I was so disappointed in/mad at Stevie Nicks and have not gotten back to being the fan I was when I first bought Rumours. For some reason, Lindsey thinks fans eat up the "let's pretend like we like each other when we walk out on stage hand in hand for the encore" routine. I personally do not. The music is the reason I paid money to see you in concert or bought your albums. That soap opera drama never made a FM concert better for me. When Christine died, so did Fleetwood Mac in my opinion. I don't care who they go on stage with and call themselves Fleetwood Mac. My Fleetwood Mac is Lindsey Buckingham, Stevie Nicks, Christine McVie, John McVie and Mick Fleetwood. Rest in peace, Fleetwood Mac.
I just read an article in the NY Post that detailed Buckingham’s verbal, psychological, and physical abuse of Nicks. The band didn’t stand up for Stevie in the early days. But in 1987 when he slapped her face and bent her backwards over a car and started strangling her, Christine confronted him. He had also insulted Nicks onstage, tried to kick her, tried to trip her and never apologized. Stevie finally had enough. Lindsey’s lucky Stevie put up with his behavior for so long. Stevie had a lot of other hit solo albums without Lindsey. The same can’t be said for Lindsey. He needed her way more than she needed him. And the rest of Fleetwood Mac came to the same conclusion.
I swear I could look at those two young forever, very informative video, thanks for making it. 😊
when they take their last breathe they will say like David Cassidy said " so much wasted time"
God bless both of them, and their fans will always be grateful
Credibility lost by posters who say Lindsey's solo work is crap. They read like an agenda.
His last solo record was all over critic's Top 10 albums lists just two years ago. Why? Because Lindsey was the musical genius in the band. Is it not enough to recognize that his contributions to the sound and production of Fleetwood Mac was essential to their success?
Critics love his stuff, but it doesn’t sell. All of Lindsey’s albums put together sold less than Stevie’s slowest selling single album.
As time goes by, I really appreciate the Musical contribution of the late great Miss Christine McVie. "Over My Head" is my favorite FM Song. And the hushed yet harrowing Vocal is part Anne Murray, part Judy Collins, part Joni Mitchell. Very impressive!🤔🎤💃🇬🇧🎼🎵🎶🎸🥁B.W.
I went to a Rumors concert at 15, and I was a hardcore FM fan all the way through the Tango in the Night era. Saw them several times live and Stevie solo several times. I was also a Stevie Nicks fan when I was younger and in my mind, she was so cool, and her love life was so romantic in a dysfunctional way a teenager would find romantic. I had the Buckingham Nicks album which I found pre-internet at a Tower Records store. Now that I'm older I see Stevie's side as more dysfunctional than when I did when I was younger. Even, besides Lindsey, all her other romantic relationships never endured with in some cases other rock stars that were even more famous than Lindsey, she had more of a drug problem than the rest of the band. She implies there was physical abuse from Lindsey, but has admitted she pushed him to that point by telling him horrible things. Not saying physical abuse is okay. But you can see the part she's played in their dysfunctional relationship. No other version of the band has worked without Lindsey. Despite even people like Sheryl Crow or members from other famous bands like Tom Petty's band. I think Stevie thought she had she had to make a choice between stardom, and family life esp. in the seventies/eighties, and stardom was ultimately what she wanted. I just felt sorry for Lindsey, on his last firing, he suffered a heart attack afterward where FM released a lame general statement about his heart attack. And his family was worried he might have lost his singing voice. Now Christine is gone. I think Lindsey's contribution was his producer abilities, and FM never shined as bright without his contributions. Stevie's contributions are of course her songwriting ability and story telling abilities. One thing that came out of the 1970s was people's ability to go to therapy, but now FM is way beyond middle age, and they are still stuck in their dysfunctional ways. (PS I think Mick always sides with the money).
Just wanted to write Tango In The Night may have been written during the bands worst drug induced haze days, but that album is fantastic. So underrated. The title track is my favorite Buckingham song, lead vocal and guitar of any of his music.
Like Simon and Garfunkel -- a dysfunctional adolescent relationship that produced genius and what came after was good but not quite as magical...
He didn't lose his singing voice. He released another solo album 2 years ago, and I think has another in the works. And it was a pretty solid album too, for someone who has been through some crazy crap in the last 5 years.
I think Mick had to. As the only one without 50 mill in the bank he had more financial motivation. As ive gotten older i get more of a bpd vibe from nicks. But even without it, I'm sure they could push each others buttons really well. I wish them all peace.
She said it over and over….she picked the band because it gave her notoriety as a start, that had to be maintained and then grow. Emotion wrote those songs, and without their web, there would have not been much of a Fleetwood Mac. I’m kinda thinking that when Lindsey got married and started a family, that might have made Stevie feel a certain kind of way because she can’t have him in the only way that she could have him any more, and it grew to her rage. I don’t think they will ever get over each other. Kinda sad, really.
I think you might be on to something :)
Lindsey was violent and not just to Nicks. I don’t get the impression she would have wanted him long term.
Fleetwood Mac was a pretty well-known band before Nicks and Buckingham, although I don't doubt they wouldn't have had the same kind of success especially in the US without them.
As for Nicks and Buckingham, Nicks was off her head on a variety of drugs and nigh impossible to work with a lot of the time, and Buckingham was bitter his solo success never materialised and didn't think he was given the credit he should have been. I wouldn't trust either to tell the truth about the other.
He was an abusive partner.
@@Sir_Gerald_Nosehairs. Well known blues band that became an infamous rock band!
Fact: Christine wrote most of the bands top 40 hits.
Not really much of a boast. I just checked their discography. Counting releases that made it into the U.S. Top 20 - McVie wrote 8, Nicks wrote 5 & Buckingham wrote 3.All the band members have also agreed that Buckingham put in more time than any other band member on the production side of things. This band became superstars because they had 3 talented songwriters and singers.
An even funner fact - Nicks penned their only #1 song and she was and still is the most successful solo artist 😅
@@emilyrugburn9167 Actually that's not entirely true Fleetwood Mac had a song "Albatross" that went to number one in the 60s. That's what I heard at least.
@@rickyparker9168 "Albatross" made it to #1 in England. It didn't even make the charts in the U.S. and Canada.
@@williamcross-wordsforhire2685 So what? You got something wrong with the UK charts? Doesn't make the song any less than the number 1 position it holds because it didn't achieve it in America. You got a problem with the United Kingdom? Sounds like it.
Their love and pain put in each song was so real, raw, and toxic.
I remember that 2013 tour, and he was fired over money an ip rights. He also was combative with the other band members, not just NIcks. That blow-up was all over the news. They had to fire him because he was making everyone crazy. I'm sure news stories from that time period can be dug up from somewhere to verify this. I'm pretty sure he wasn't fired over a smirk.
I hope not, that would be a really stupid reason to be fired.
Stevie Nicks' ego and arrogance walks into the room 3 hours before she even gets there.
Not fair. A woman IS more fragile and a man who can go get married ,have children etc..look he sounds nice and decent I just wonder how much he expected time to sort whether they were meant to be..rather than being an equal partner to someone who obviously loved him ..and back
Buckingham had a long and difficult time escaping the shadow of his romantic past with Nicks. He often referred to it as "the spectre of Stevie."
When Buckingham was fired in 2018, Fleetwood told the other band members not to have any contact with him. John McVie was the only one with the integrity to reach out to Buckingham and tell him what happened. The words from his song "Big Love" describe his former band mates perfectly:
"You said that you love me,
And that you always will.
Oh, you begged me to keep ya,
In that house on the hill."
He made them rich and famous, but they had absolutely no loyalty to him. And in the end, they stabbed him in the back.
Well said! Dang it all they used the crap out of him.
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Exactly!
It was about money. Stevie is the bigger draw than Lindsey despite his leadership.
@@matthewche And the fact that she gave them the ultimate: "Either he goes or I do."
Some of Stevies quotes make me go to the Buckingham side.
For over 40 years, I have remained very close to a man I was married to for 10 years in the 1980s. I love his wife and kids. But we don't have egos the size of planets, and we realize the difference between the love of friends and the love of lovers.
Wonderful stuff n great band!!!
Для себя я их открыл уже в зрелом возрасте. Поразительно, как эти потрясающе красивые люди кроме всего прочего ещё и так талантливы. Слушаю их каждый день и постоянно нахожу там что то новое... Снова и снова...
A perfect example of not addressing the issues early in time just how destructive behavior manifests itself.
Greatest rock band of all time, forever. I think just about everyone in the band slept with everyone else at some point, it was musical beds. If you ever get the chance to see "The Commitments" movie, based on the novel, do it--it's great & I swear it's loosely based on Fleetwood Mac.
Lindsay IS the SOUND of post 1974 Mac, hands-down. He was the Producer, Arranger, & Aesthetic-regardless of who wrote the song.
Listen to 1991’s “Out of the Cradle” and this all will become instantly clear.
Ah, Stevie is the top dog, she wrote many hits, her solo career proves she is top dog, Lindsey failed solo, he was a good guitarist, but alone, nothing.
@@1besiegedanother Stevie cult member! She sounds like a goat! She is no angel and robbed us all of a final tour.
@@1besieged I’ll tell ya one thing, she sure as hell got around too! Think she dated every guy in the biz!
@@roccosantanelli2802 why does that matter?
@@kathryn3961 ur 100% right! It doesn’t at all! And I could care less if she was loose or not, but there’s a few women on here bashing Lindsay for no good reason other than he’s a man. And I’m mainly sticking up for him. I don’t think he deserves some or any of the “bad rap” he’s been getting from some of the fans who are obviously women. So I guess I swung back with that - immature? - little bit.
It’s clear as day to see that Steve’s problem with Lindsey is that he is the one person in the world who refuses to see how talented she is. He always thought of himself as above her and she’s proven time and time again that she is the power of the two, but he just won’t take her seriously.
Even despite the fact that she is the most successful member of the band by a mile and had a far more lucrative solo career.. he still says “yeah but I have a wife and kids, that must be so hard for you.”
I cannot agree more. Stevie is no saint, but I find Lindsey so selfish, arrogant and even controlling. It seems to me that he wanted Stevie to be submissive but we all know she could never be that.
I posted a video where I would swear to God , Stevie Nicks looks 8 months pregnant, we do not know , she may have a few secret children who were raised by her parents or other kin....
@@1besieged the flat Earth theory seems to be accurate than your comment
@@1besieged as far as I know, Stevie prioritised her career instead of having children. Same with Christine. In fact, Stevie may have had children during her 30s but she was under psychiatric treatment. It's no wonder why the men in FM have children and at their 50s or more, while the women choose not to.
@@giuliana1644 I do not believe Stevie needed Klonopin, it's a major tranquilizer, slows down one's brain and organs, she seemed to be pretty energetic in Fleetwood Mac & her own band, so yes, the women always work harder then men , if they are hard workers that is... backlash coming my way, but women are expected to work & raise the kids...
there's a very fine line between love and hate. just because you love somebody doesn't mean you have to like them.
I saw Stevie in concert last week, and she was fantastic, even with a broken toe.
always something broken in her life it seems - just sayin:)
Behind closed doors, especially before Fleetwood Mac, Lindsey was abusive towards Stevie. Then, he became so jealous of her success, he was just beside himself.
Many, many fans will pay to see FM without Lindsey, but when they tried replacing Stevie, they were giving free concerts in the park.
I always wondered what Stevie and Don Henley's baby would've turned out to be like.
I saw them in 1977, 1978, 1997 and 2015. By far the best show was 2015. They were on fire and sober. Buckingham is underrated and without his creative input and postproduction work there would not have been as much success. He is cruel to her but she was also the biggest drug addict of the group, first needing to break her cocaine habit and then klonopin. By all accounts she was a mess in the studio. I don’t think it’s fair to call him out. It takes two to tango. It’s sad because in 2015 they really did seem like it was all behind them.
"He is cruel to her but she was also the biggest drug addict of the group, first needing to break her cocaine habit and then klonopin"
I mean, "she was a drug addict so I'll give his abuse towards her a bit of a pass" is not a great take my guy lol 😂🤣
She stabbed him in the back and caused his heart attack. That is proof of a wicked grudge and an evil unforgiving nature.
I agree! As I said above Lindsey Buckingham seems very egocentric but he is a very talented guy. She may draw a bigger crowd but some of the "entertainers" going out on tour in this day and age aren't exactly "musicians". I have to let this point go because I drive my kids insane but that's the way I see music today. Thank God in Heaven music is timeless so I don't actually have to listen most of it🎶🎶
Well done. Thank you.
Stevie Nicks is a Jose State alumni I read about. “Rooms on Fire”, great song, underrated, and those classics she did with my favorite musician and American treasure, Tom Petty. Nicks, beautiful voice!
His wife and his children ALL know how Stevie and Lindsey feel about each other
Great job I love how you Narrated the whole story without it being a repeat of the love those two have
3:30 brings a whole new respect for Stevie and Lindsay as well as John and Michelle ❤
Saw Fleetwood Mac in 2018. Missed having Lindsay there but all were great!
Love all ur Music you were Rockn then still Rockn now be safe with this COVID out therel
Ur my favorite hope i get to meet up some day would be my dream come true for
Sure Tammy be safe my friend
"He tortured me so I cheated" Pay attention men.
Lindsay was brilliant Fleetwood Mac will not be the same without him.
It's not the same now fantastic Christine has gone
Lindsey Buckingham gets shit on a lot. But he is absolutely the guy who transformed an obscure British blues band into a powerhouse hit making machine.
He took very good ideas from Christine and Stevie’s demos, arranged, engineered and produced them into the incredible songs they became.
They’d be nothing without him. Stevie’s demos of The Chain and Dreams was nothing like the finished versions. You can’t even recognize them.
Exactly. So many of these commenters have no idea what went into making this band. Lindsey wrote at least 1/3 of the songs on the most successful albums, plus produced, created his iconic guitar style, sung and made the harmonies that created the sound that rocketed FM to success. SN is part of that but some have no clue what the total winning combination of talents was. Including songwriter, singer, keyboardist Christine McVie, Nicks just sang. McVie even cowrote and released an album and toured with Lindsey as a duo in 2018. So any talk of friction betweeen her and Lindsey is nonsense. I saw that tour and they were fantastic together.
Lindsey aided Fleetwood Mac, Stevie Nicks was lead vocalist, she has her own band that is hall o fame as well, Lindsey flopped once trying solo , he was an asset to Fleetwood Mac, as are all the band members .
@@katemorro4828 My buddy Jimmy was the drummer on that tour. He still plays with Lindsey’s solo band too.
THANK YOU! I get so tired of reading how “wonderful” everyone was, when there was a definite difference in the quality of what they had with Lindsey and when they stupidly lost Lindsey. Stevie was and still us a jealous little twat who would never have made a blimp on the screen had it not been for Lindsey. HE on the other hand - is still GREAT at what he does. Stevie - Pfft!!! Jealous and spiteful and wanting to be #1 - when she should have been thanking everyone for even putting up with her spoiled brat antics. I didn’t like her then, and I still don’t like her. I loved Lindsey’s music when I heard it, but it’s only been these current years I can tell him apart from anyone else visually 😅 because “back in tha day” everyone had all the crazy hair and mustache things going on. I wasn’t a fan of that, and was glad when people started sobering up and cleaning up a little better so you could tell who was who when you saw them😁
I think the Rumors album was the best of Fleetwood Mac, but another winner is : Buckingham Nicks , Lindsey sounded decent early on, later , he was not truly a vocalist like Stevie but he was a damned good guitarist and he gave all he had to the band, he did not do so well solo but he certainly was good in the 2 bands.
Lindsay is clearly still salty over Stevie breaking up with him even several decades later hahahah
Yet only one of them is incapable of working with the other
Stevie: kicked him out of group
Lindsey: gets royalties/props as songwriter/producer regardless. *WINNER*
Stevie Nicks is in 2 Rock & Roll Hall of Fames, she is the * WINNER! * :D*
@@1besieged janet jackson is also in the hall of fame; nothing really to brag abt.
@@stephenhamilton1149 I don't care for Janet's music, maybe her association to Michael got her in.
@@1besiegedlmao,she is a lonely old lady! Cracks me up how you wanna disrespect Buckingham ! He made Rumours what it was! Go and listen to Stevie’s demo of Dreams,before and after!He did that
@@randypowers2503 I 100% agree with you! It’s funny how all the “man haters” come out of the woodwork whenever there is any type of dispute between a man and popular woman- I’m a big Stevie Nicks fan myself! But think she basically was a little on the loose side! I mean not 4 nothin but she was with two guy from the same band, one was married, and to a friend of hers! Then she went on to date everyone she could in the biz! Sorry now their saying the he forced her to pose nude because he was upset about her dress? Come on?
Totally in Camp Lindsey. Saw the band live in 1979, and was so looking forward to it. Saved up weeks to get the money for tickets. What happened? Lindsey was a consummate professional all night, played and sang brilliantly. Nicks? Half the time she wasn't even on stage. She'd sing Dreams, leave, change into another ridiculous outfit, come back out, sing Rhiannon, and vanish again. It was completely unprofessional and inconsiderate. And most of the stories about him have been instigated by her. And four abortions? FFS, couldn't she ever learn how birth control works?
This ongoing feud with Stevie and Lindsey finally came to a head with the smirking incident and she’s always wanted control over Fleetwood Mac and made her stand with the “it’s him or me” thing snd Mick sided with her pretty much making the other’s fine with firing the most talented person they ever had in that band Lindsey Buckingham! If you doubt that? listen to the really great duo album with Christine! But because he was gone, they went ahead with that horrible tour with Neil Finn and Heartbreakers guitarist Mike Campbell someone Stevie has wanted to work with as she made it clear that she wanted to be in Tom Petty’s band,but he knew better to let that happen so he refused that!
But seriously,this tour was the final opportunity for this band especially the Rumours era band to get together and really celebrate their time together. But sadly with the loss of Christine,they will never be able to ever again! What a sad end to that great band and even if they do some how get together again, Christine won’t be there because of band politics!
As a fellow smirker, can sympathize...
what they did in their time I could care less, on music, I WILL ALWAYS LOVE THE RUMORS ALBUM. I love fleetwood mac forever.
She's not telling the truth. She was having an affair with Mick Fleetwood (who was married) and it was Mick that told Lindsay that Stevie was with him now and that it was over between the two. Nor was that the first affair; Lindsay didn't trust her because she gave him every reason not to.
No that was after they split up actually. But it still upset a lot of people. Then after that Mick ran off with Stevie's friend Sara
@@melissawright1979 Stevie has stated she started her affair with Mick when she was with Don Henley- who she started dating right after her and Lindsay broke up (some say before, but neither Don nor Stevie has come forward to my knowledge). However Lindsay states that isn't true, and that Mick told him while he and Stevie were still together. But we don't know, that's for sure. Mick might be hesitant to admit it, remembering how he felt when he found out his own wife was having an affair with Bob Weston- Danny Kirwan's replacement and member from '73-'75. But admittedly it's a "he said, she said".
@@michardav Yeah it's one of those stories where you will hear 3 different versions. Lindsey's, Stevie's and Mick.
Regardless of that. The whole band were falling out with one person and then shagging another pmsl x
When the VO says "cracks began to show" around 1:20 I think you mean to show a photo of Lindsey, but I'm pretty sure that's John.
Absolutely the very best ❤❤❤❤. Stevie was beautiful, majorly talented❤...amen❤
In every relationship there's 2 things that will kill it. Pride & the inability to forgive, other "traits" spin off of or come from the two. And the biggest that is a product of both is, mutual respect. Whether you are around one another constantly or the typical after 5, if the respect level that's spawn from the 2 former isn't rained in, it ain't going to work...ever!! Until YOU (not putting it on the other person, you have to be bigger, not only for them but for yourself) decide to put aside the pettiness & find the respect you had that's when it's possible to refind the love. This comes after 25+ years of marriage but ultimately it comes from my parents example. They owned their own business, working (5 to 6 days a week), living together, raising a family & married almost 51 years until my dad passed away. My mom still sat on my dad's lap, he lovingly teased her as she smiled and said "Oh Frank" then a giggle. They displayed true friendship, deep love, mutual respect, they were A TEAM. If anyone takes sides, they're wrong to do so, both are to blame, both contributed & blaming it on "not having distance or closure" is the way children reason not true adults. Gotta let pride go & forgiveness in
He literally hit her, Lisa. Don’t be ridiculous
I'm sure showing John McVie, rather than Lindsey at 1:22 was intentional. - Mr. Nit-Picker
I noticed that too.
I’m telling you… there’s going to be a movie or an FX “Feud” series about these two one day, and it’ll be incredible, heartbreaking, embittering, and unforgettable. The most toxic pair who made the most incredible music… even with them both still alive and making music, it’s a captivating story.
Lindsay's comments at the end should have been left unspoken.
The people in this band have no filter.
I love reading all these comments taking sides. They were both assholes and both victims at different times, it’s really sad. The drama led to some great music though… especially The Chain.
She the one who wanted to keep him single he moved on and she was furious
I was in a relationship like that. We became friends after romance but she did not like me getting involved with other women.
As Rick James once said: "Cocaine is a hell of a drug!"
Relationship's are hard... you have to learn to just not fight no matter how much you disagree
this is what happens when kids stay kids instead of getting over themselves and growing up and being professional -
Too many of these rock stars take themselves waaaayy too seriously - not mentioning any names , Johnny "don't call me Cougar " Mellencamp -
ps I like johnny cougar - that's sounds like a cool dude -
john mellencamp sounds like ....
wow...where have you been since the 70's? marriage? (s?)kids?? why bash John Mellencamp???????? a great folk artist. This ain't no cake walk, man......
While I'm sure Lindsey was a pain in the butt, he seems much more grounded and content with life. I don't think she's ever really moved on from Lindsey.
Gee, what Stevie said must make Lindsey's wife feel all warm and cozy. Knowing those 2 will always have the hots for each other is comforting. 🙄I don't think I could deal with that. She must be one hellavuh woman!
Problem is drugs change people she was hooked and that was her life children would get in the way regardless of the drugs they were brilliant my youth growing up funny no matter how many times and every time i here there songs i feel sad i guess it was when i first herd they were splitting up and when they split up it was sad i was so happy when they announced they were getting back together as a group was never realy the same but i loved them just as much seeing stevie and lindsey play together you could feel the love between them so sad and stevie still dancing today given her all like she always did a true professional artist i will alwas love FLEETWOOD MAC ❤
Lindsey is a pretty cool dude and a monster at guitar!
Wow a lot of shitting on Lindsay. From what I've seen. They both are about equally to blame. But, he's the guy and she's the angel, so he'll take the brunt of the backlash.
Now I understand Daisy Jones and the Six.
If they didn't have a feud, we would never have got the album rumours.
Stevie and the Wilsons (Ann and Nancy from Heart) were my heroines and role models when growing up. But I have to be honest, Stevie can be quite the hypocrite, or at least showing evident and/or selective amnesia!
She was just seen here talking about "rolling her eyes" off-stage at Lindsey's euphemistic speech when he addressed the audience, but goes off getting her knickers in a twist bc of some perceived (but woefully misinterpreted) "smirk" of his?!
Also, Lindsey wasn't just "let go" from working on the new album (which Mick practically begged him to, while Lindsey was fully engaged with work on his *own* stuff) and the tour that would follow, but it was Stevie who made Mick *fire* Lindsey, by threatening the band "It's either him or me!"...
*Edit:* Seeing as Mick was shtupping Stevie at that time, there was no real 'twisting Mick's arm' involved, oc (most likely she twisted his head, but not the one between his shoulders!).
But the nastiest thing, imo, she ever did to Lindsey was in 2019, when *she couldn't even be bothered to make a simple phone call, after Lindsey got out of (life-threatening) open heart surgery, asking how he was!*
All these things combined tell you *a lot* about a person's character...
Edit:
If it hadn't been for Lindsey, Stevie wouldn't even *be* in the band in the 1st place, since Lindsey refused to join if he couldn't have Stevie join FM too!
He may have been guilty of many a thing, but a lack of loyalty isn't among them; Stevie could learn a thing or two from this trait.
I can forgive many mistakes and flaws in any relationship, but I make 3 exceptions to my rule:
1- Cheating, 2- Disloyalty, 3- Poor personal hygiene (don't insult my olfactory!)...
So many of these commenters are dumping on Lindsey Buckingham and making Nicks out to be an angel saint who made FM. In actuality they have no idea what went into making this band. Lindsey wrote at least 1/3 of the songs on the most successful albums, plus produced, created his iconic guitar style, sung and made the harmonies that created the sound that rocketed FM to success. SN is part of that but some have no clue what the total winning combination of talents was. Including songwriter, singer, keyboardist Christine McVie, Nicks just sang. McVie even cowrote and released an album and toured with Lindsey as a duo in 2018. So any talk of friction betweeen her and Lindsey is nonsense. I saw that tour and they were fantastic together.
Nicks stabbed Buckingham in the back and caused his heart attack. And the band betrayed him after all those years. That is proof of a terrible tendency to carry a grudge and makes her look small. It changed the way I see her.
I absolutely love them both! Relationships are difficult in a normal setting. I can’t imagine being in their shoes! 🙃
We all have made mistakes, he probably should have been with Stevie, but I know it's hard when you are so close.
It is a mystery as to what really happened. There are two sides to the story, and despite listening to both sides, there is even more mystery, and that fuel the interest in finding more clues and missed ques.
Read "Play On" by Mick Fleetwood. Incredibly honest. Stevie dated a LOT immediately after, and Lindsey brought Carol Ann Harris to rehearsals and on tour with them immediately after. I don't know how they coped, beside knowing they were making loads of money!
I think there was some underlying animosity there that wasn't addressed early on. The fact that the affair between Nicks/Mick didn't break up the band was questionable. I guess the tour delayed that for a while. I can relate to Stevies and Lindsey's relationship. I was in the same kind of relationship for 30 years. So, in my personal opinion, is that ger songs reflect the story of my life as well. In her words , " You may be the one, but you'll never be the one. "
I think Nicks is just fine without Buckingham.
Stevie has gone from person to person & she seems angry all the time. It is hard to believe she wasn't thinking of herself when she wrote & sang all of those beautiful love songs. I think she blames Lindsey for all her mistakes & she is bitter, at least that is how she is being perceived by her own hand. I hope she finds some grace as I loved her as an artist for many years. just a shame that's all when you look at what could have been a much better and more fruitful ending for all...which Christen will never see. Stevie should apologize to Mick's family for using his lust to interfere in their family., just a shame.
I feel like she has always carried a torch for him and he moved on. 🤷🏻♀️
Watch the early live version of Go Your Own Way. You will see Stevie staring Lindsey down throughout the whole performance and then she signals to Christine to help her sabotage the end of the song; to make Lindsey look stupid pmsl. It's like DAMN!
Link?
That Stevie stare was brutal. If looks could kill....
I remember every female wanted and got a Stevie Nicks Shag Haircut and her voice was one of a kind
Found this series of quotes from band members about the 1987 fight Stevie and Lindsey had when Buckingham said he was leaving the band.
Has Stevie ever laid hands on Lindsey? I was reading a fic (ik,ik. It's fiction blah blah, I shouldn't believe what seems to be factual in fics blah) but there was a part where it said something about Stevie hitting Lindsey in the tusk era and then he went after her, attempting to hit her but he didn't. Is this true?
This is absolutely true but not in the Tusk era. When he decided to leave the band in 1987, they were at a band meeting. According to various members, a physical fight did occur.
Stevie, 1989
It was horrifying for both of us,” says a somber Stevie Nicks, describing her August altercation with Lindsey Buckingham, a shouting match extraordinaire. “We said too much to each other. We said all the things that we had wanted to say for the last ten years, and we screamed at each other. Those things in a relationship that you try to never say just in case you do get back together - we said those things.
Mick Fleetwood, 1990
I looked over at Stevie, who was brushing back tears. ‘Lindsey,’ she said, ‘you’ve broken my fucking heart on this.’
‘Hey,’ he said, turning on Stevie and becoming agitated, ‘don’t do this again. Don’t start attacking me.’
‘Watch out, Lindsey,’ Stevie said. ‘There’s other people in the room beside yourself yourself.’
‘Oh shit!’ Lindsey shouted. ‘Get this bitch out of my way. And fuck the lot of you!’ A great hue and cry now ensued. Lindsey headed out to his car, and Stevie followed him outside to the courtyard, trying to change his mind. It was a terribly sad moment, because I could tell that even in her anger, a part of Stevie still loved Lindsey Buckingham and didn’t want him to leave Fleetwood Mac. She didn’t want him to go. They exchanged words in Chris’s courtyard for a few moments. I didn’t hear what he said, but Stevie cried out, ‘Hey, man, you’ll never be in love with anyone but yourself!’
Then it got physical. Lindsey grabbed Stevie and slapped her and bent her backwards over the hood of his car. Was he going to hit her again? He’d done it before. Suddenly Dennis Dunstan and Stevie’s manager, Tony Diminitriades, pulled Lindsey off her and told him that was enough. Lindsey then came back into the house, very distraught. He shouted, ‘Get that woman out of my life - that schizophrenic bitch!’
Christine sounded furious. ‘Lindsey, look at yourself, screaming like a madman.’
There was a silence. And John McVie quietly said to Lindsey Buckingham, ‘I think you’d better leave now.’
‘You’re a bunch of selfish bastards,’ Lindsey said, and walked out.
Rock Family Trees, 1995
Stevie Nicks: Because of that guilt I’ve always had about not leaving Fleetwood Mac, I flew out of the couch and across the room to seriously attack him. And I did. I mean, I’m not real scary but I can be fairly ferocious, and I grabbed him, y'know, which almost got me killed.
John McVie: It got ugly, physically ugly *John mimes strangling someone*
Stevie Nicks: He ended up chasing me all the way out of Christine’s maze-like house and down the street and back up the street, and he threw me against the car, and I screamed horrible obscenities at him and I thought he was going to kill me. And I think he probably thought he was going to kill me too. And I said to him, if the rest of the people in the band don’t get you, my family will. My dad and my brother will kill you.
John McVie: And I said to Lindsey, ‘Why don’t you just leave?’ He left, but what I meant was why don’t you just leave the room *laughs*.
The Daily Mail, 2013
The fracas, Fleetwood claims, culminated in Buckingham slapping her and bending her over the bonnet of a car, before storming off shouting, ‘You’re a bunch of selfish b******s.’
‘That was in the courtyard of my house,’ Christine McVie concurs. ‘There was a bit of a physical fight, and she wasn’t beating him up. It wasn’t nice.’
‘There wasn’t any physical violence,’ contends Buckingham. ‘It was an unpleasant situation that day, but you have to ask yourself the question, if someone is beating on your chest because they don’t want you to leave, isn’t that in a way kind of flattering?’
Nicks is the ultimate drama Queen.
Give her ANY question, and she will identify herself as a saint.
Then she goes on, and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on. ….and on and on……and on…….and onnnnnnnnn.
His jealousy tortured her into having an affair? And she wants him fired because she didn’t like the look on his face while she babbles on?
Don’t make me laugh. 😂
Why would she wanna make you laugh? You’re a nobody lmao
I agree!!!!
100% agree.
Wow, so hateful, you never really know what’s going on behind closed doors…..
You need to do better research. They went to high school in Arizona not California, and the quote from Stevie about her working and Lindsey staying home was when they moved to SoCal and she was working as a maid for Kevin Ellis, a producer who worked notably at Sound City studios. They've both made it very clear that Stevie was the one who broke up with Lindsey. She didn't want to have kids or that kind of life, while he did. Stevie found the success she wanted in Fleetwood Mac and didn't want a family to get in the way. Lindsey wanted the family and a life with her, and assumed they could do that while being in Fleetwood Mac. You also should've mentioned that Stevie had gone into rehab for a cocaine addiction but became addicted to prescription medication her doctor put her one, which made it difficult for her for record her parts in Tango in the Night.
I thought Stevie Nicks' father was an executive for Greyhound Bus Lines and the family moved around a lot. Didn't she first meet Buckingham in the bay area during highschool and she briefly attended San Jose State Univ.? Also, she checked herself into Betty Ford in 1986 which inspired the song "Welcome To The Room Sara" 1987. She has said that the klonopin addiction was after Betty Ford and lasted 8 yrs through "The Otherside of the Mirror" 1989 and ended during "Street Angel" 1994.
They went to high school in ATHERTON, CALIFORNIA. Lindsey's dad owned a coffee company in Palo Alto. YOU need to do YOUR RESEARCH.
Stevie's dad was an executive for Greyhound. She was born in Arizona but she and Lindsey met in the Bay Area. Her dad moved there for Greyhound.
Not one of these statements is correct. Not one. You got the state wrong, the name of the producer wrong, everything wrong.
They were two sides of the same coin. They couldn’t have been individually what they became together. I so much want happiness for Stevie Nicks. Buckingham suggesting Stevie is jealous that he “found his soul mate” is being intentionally spiteful. We all know that Stevie is his soul mate, and sometimes soul mates are better for each other to be separated. But that’s what Rock and Roll songs are written about. And Fleetwood Mac is quintessential Rock and Roll.
The woman he was married to when he made his “soul mate” comment is now separated from him and made some pretty loud noises about their relationship.
Behind the Mask is a great album with guitarists Billy Burnette and Rick Vito snd without Lindsey. It’s a great album.
Yep. It was also a huge seller and backed a massively successful tour.
Lindsey thought that his tantrum and walkout of the band would end it back then. Whoops!
all i know is i love them both and want the est for them both
It is a shame these two just can't seem to get along. Deep inside, the love is there, though.
Some of their best songs were them dissing each other. Imagine the person you broke up with writing a song like Silver Springs and then making the guy stand next to you, play lead guitar, and sing harmony. Or, write Go Your Own Way where you’re basically calling your ex a tramp, and once again make her sing the chorus.
@@Sherwoody I hear you. Which is why I would never do it myself. Here's my latest tune: czcams.com/video/76OxSEgWN9c/video.html. My ex-husband who had addiction problems is now deceased. In the video, his smiles pop up. (He's the fisherman.) There is an allusion to him in the song "And Daddy's getting drunker." All of us songwriters tend to include autobiographical references.
@@gwynnielsen5081 thanks for the link. You have a lovely voice, and I’ve saved the song/video to my favourites.
When they are all dead and gone, the music will be around for a long, long time. One day in the distant future their music will even fade away. Life changes .. people forget.
@paulaweadon8130: All the more important to remember and appreciate this Band's greatness while the moment is still very much present.🤔🎤💃🎼🎵🎶🎸🥁B.W.
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