Magic Stores Re-Sealing ALL the Pre-Release Kits and Hosing Players
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I don't play but figured I'd let you all know what happen here in Lexington SC....some guy went to a well known shop to buy the same ones, bought a whole case and turned out the was all re sealed...he filed a lawsuit and pressed charges, when the county went there to investigate it they found 5 more cases all re sealed and in the back strink wrap heat gun etc etc....the shop is now closed and owner is in jail they was charged with grand larcany and other things....so karma does work sometimes
Wow, I think your comment might have bubbled this up in my recommended. Interesting.
@Kevin Cservid well it was more then that, fake autographs etc and they calculated total cost if rip offs they did when people came forward. It was year and half ago, but think it was around 21k in total.....you got to remember even in this case of video 25.00 times 14 is 350.00 on one customer so 3 more customers be a felony charge
What was the name of the store though
@@XxtuckstonexX I don't recall the name anymore, my cousins and son use heroes and dragons shop been there for 17 years
@Steven Hickman Money. Has nothing to do with the cards. People will fake ANYTHING to increase their own profit margin. Sports fans do it with fake memorabilia. Car mechanics do it by swapping out parts in vehicles and rolling back mileage. Farmers do it with fake produce (ie. This is organic!!!). Product companies do it with fake supplements or tainted supplements. There are a TON of wealthy people who have created no value to their clients and simply gypped people out of money. One of the EASIEST ways to make money, and there is VERY limited risk. I'd venture to guess that a very small percentage of people who run this sort of gimmick ever get caught, especially if they keep it scaled to a small operation.
i work in a plant that does packaging of that type and there should be no glue at all in those seals, they are solid heat seals on that type of packaging, POS store ripping people off.
thanks for the nugget for knowledge!
Can you elaborate on solid heat seals?
@@ominousmist960 solid as in the entire overlap is one piece, you can see the imprint on these showing that it was at one time fully sealed down the length of the seam, these were resealed in a pretty uneven way
Thank you for the insights! Information and education is key, especially with these kinds of abnormal situations. From now on I will be more aware when opening packs.
That's interesting. Heat sealed.... Wow. What a fucker this store is.
I'm absolutely loving the people coming in from outside the community just to be mad about this. Shows how busted this is.
Yeah I never collected anything like this even tho I'm a nerd, I always suspected fraud like this and I also live in a small country, people like us get scammed first cuz noone would give a shit about us, and we also have no money to hire lawyers. I thought this would never happen in the USA, but I guess I was wrong, I hope all scammers get what they diserve eventually.
I don’t do Magic and I haven’t collected since the bottom fell out of the collector market in the early 90s but this not only pisses me off, it’s ringing alarm bells because I’ve seen glue like that in other foil wrapped packages and I’m trying to remember where.
Actually I think it might have been cards from McD or Tim Hortons.
I dont play magic but am fucking pissed as someone who bought packs in the past and as someone who will probably invest in some boxes.
I watch this channel just to see the scams
My favorite part is when Rudy says "I'm gonna just buy out this store and rename it Beta investments" Loool
Bruv, I literally liked and subscribed at this exact moment.
@@TurboWindex same
This is a federal crime btw. It's similar to rigging gambling devices.
it is called Fraud ... plain and simple
Mark why are you here? This is a magic channel... Real dumb of you bud. I dont think you'd be smart enough to be a cop...
Gambling devices *are* rigged.
Caleb Jolly
Mark is right in what hes saying. The community is seen as supremely childish and dorky. If youre over 21, approached a cop and reported this as a "fedral crime", i think the cop would find it hard not to at least crack a smile. id be so embarrassed to say that tbh Xd
dean clegg
Why do ignorant idiots like you have the idea that fraud involving Magic cards is not fraud? When someone steals your videogames it's not robbery because huuur duuur videogamez?
Now I even open my pack of Cheetos carefully to check for re-sealings >
I wouldn't doubt it could happen. Have you seen them videos on Chinese making fake lettuce, fake rice, and fake eggs? FAKE EGGS! With the runny yoke inside and everything!
@@dsandoval9396 yeah, that did kinda blow my mind...
I install the bagmakers at frito lay, I farted in your bag
@@darthsoros787 you ate Taco Bell that day didn't you?
I am super nervous. What is next? The pop up tops on bottles? Safty seals on dressings? Those hygenic casings for needles?
I don't play Magic or even really know anything about it but this pisses me off.
brooo I didn't realize you were still around. Coming back for SL or TBC arena?
@@jesse3239 Nah. Not a fan of private servers or playing old expansions.
@@ZybakTV I'm going to checkout shadowlands when it is out. Fingers crossed , but not getting my hopes up. I think blizzard will announce TBC in 2021. Probably a summer or fall release. They sent out a survey about it to classic wow players a while back
Someone comments “I don’t even play magic” on every video ever always please stop
Im currently building my own from scratch tcg and see this happen and worry about my future production models.
Cellmate: "what are ya in for?"
Shithead: "counterfeiting magic cards"
Cellmate: "thats a paddling"
No, that's a gathering
Sneaky Jingles saying!! Lurve it
The cards are also backwards in the packs. The cards should be facing the long seam.
Charlie good catch Charles.
Best Comment updoot plox
n1 charles
Amazing catch. I had overlooked this as I haven't opened a super large amount of boosters. I usually buy singles from tcgplayer, but I may also rethink that.
I buy a booster box of every new set and i missed it lol.
YOU HAVE BEEN BLESSED BY CZcams ALGHORITHM
"because this is not approved magic channel"
youtube:hold my deck
seems like there are at least one pissed off magic player/collector at youtube hq.
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Being a MtG player for almost 20 years now , you CANNOT POSSIBLY UNDERSTAND HOW this infuriates me.
You MUST NOT let it just go away. Seeing that the video is 6 months old, i wish i knew how and if this escalated man! Your work is admirable. congrats.
I don't understand why this is in my feed, but I'm outraged!
It is so you don't have to witness this massacre by yourself
I feel the same.. I'm shocked
Theres a guy who works at CZcams who probably got scammed and added this to everyone algorithm. Im pissed
still tho a scams a scam, now we need superglue someones a;ss shut cause he brought this on himself
I don't care about magic but I'm pissed!
You must have been watching a certain channel who dabbles in that stuff lol im already calling that the reason i got this is because ive been watching GameSocietyPimps alot this week and theyre huge fucking nerds for this lol so maybe someone who does similar content that you have been watching alot recently?
But anyway I was also pissed and a little sad for the guy at the end because I actually gave a shit lol
Same here. Came up in recommended, not a magic player, or at least, haven't been for like 6 or 7 years. Spending a ton of money on collectible stuff to find out you've been scammed would definitely motivate me to go on a crusade to out this kind of thing as well. $350 plus tax on cards that will likely ALL go straight to the recycling bin. And those were all garbage rares. A few shouldn't have even been rated as rare, like the dragon artifact.
3 Words: Class Action Lawsuit.
Make it happen Nerds.
Everyone impacted by that specific store can come together and file a lawsuit against the store itself. Do YOU even know what a class action lawsuit actually is?
it costs more to replace shop windows than to replace a pre-release pack... just sayin
maybe i n a civil case, but in a criminal case... that's jail t ime
Class-action? No. Several individual suits from members of the local gaming community joined into one bigger suit? Totally plausible.
The difference is subtle, but it matters. You're not necessarily looking for a Complex Litigation firm to take the case.
You would only have-nots be worth while if it is a joint lawsuit. The lawyer would cost more than the money they would get even then probably.
this literally happened to me at the last pre-release i went to, but it wasnt the shop owners fault, as he handed them out, and people started commenting on the lack of rares, he went through and realized someone had resealed the cases.
His entire inventory had been gone through. Cops got involved, turned out it was the guy who delivered them, and he hadnt stopped at just the pre-release cards, he had gone through ALL the packages, and resealed them.
We get bad shipping up here, so sometimes your order tracking is off, might be why the shop owner didnt suspect foul play when his delivery was a day or so late.
10:21 Checking back a year later to see if you bought out that store
Still waiting to hear
@@nikolaykondratyev3021 hahahahahahaha. Omg hahahahahaha
Still waiting.
Waiting
waiting...
That's brutal, I had something similar happen to me where I ended up with an entire box of Torment that had all the packs resealed. It's such a terrible feeling, also it's incredibly bad for the reputation of the store. Short term gain for long term loss is absolute idiocy.
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Im gonna steal the top comment to Ask if we can really track where is came from with the code? cause if so we should to see where it is from. (T8 128 1 935 )
Twinster *Ruize* how would you track the kit though I can't figure it out
Alex Foster every product sold has an unique ID, which Rudy showed. WotC knows which distributor bought and the distributor knows which LGS bought. The risk is the LGS having bought from a 3rd party instead of official distributors, because once the product leaves the LGS, the chain of ownership is no longer know.
The level of saltiness is astounding and completely justified. Don’t play but like the rest, pissed. Wish we could get some kind of update. Would like to see if the writer confronted his store about it.
Since you seem interested I did a quick google search and found this.
www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/magic-general/807511-have-you-heard-of-stores-opening-the-pre-release
If it's to be believed, WOTC did track them down and did do something about it though it's unclear how much they did.
CZcams won't stop suggesting this video. Congratulations man!
CZcams AI brought me here.
The video brought the sub. Now I realize what all these comic book stores were doing when we were kids, and why we could never get the good yugioh and pokemon cards.
Scammers are so evil, I hate people who get rich on others misery, same reason I hate all politicians and big company management / owners. :(
alpha investments what people do with yugioh packs is you buy the box and weigh out the packs with a sensitive scale. 9/10 will be lighter by .01 of a gram and you'll be left with 5-6 heavier packs. you keep those and sell the rest individually. Foils are always heavier
I've got a business selling pokemon cards and the scams I see are just... astonishing really. I mean I can kinda get faking a £10, £20 card, but faking a £0.03 card? Really? And not even faking well I might add, the only way people can sell those fakes is to kids so they're being made purely to scam kids out of their pocket money. It's just astonishing how disgusting human beings can be sometimes.
This is so common now, why is no one dding tamper seals on these packs?
all they have to do is press something hot into both ends at the seam so it melts a hole in the top and bottom, then hey presto instant tamper seal.
Money, if they did that, it would inflate the cost of packs and we, the consumer, would have to pay more. I can see them charging easily 50x what it would cost per pack and call it a feature.
@@LeonXLegendary it isn't expensive to do so. I don't buy these so have fun being scammed if you do, because with that logic you've got it coming to ya
@@JACpotatos Okay, how much would it cost then if it isn't expensive? There's new equipment they'd most likely have to buy, new materials, some RnD into it, and QC they'd have to do to make sure it is all consistent. And you think, out of the goodness in their hearts, they would eat that cost instead of passing it off into us?
Also, that's some serious mental gymnastics to think anyone would want to be scammed. I would very much like to have added anti tampering measures added.
And that's the million dollar question
Elm city games!!!! He blocked all comments from his instagram page and his personal, what a bunch of frauds!!!
Boost
Wait.... Elm City!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA that's the same guy that assaulted Jeremy Hambly from UnsleevedMedia/ The Quartering!
They not only ruined the value of the packs, but the prerelease of the people who played with those kits
*Star City Games
Triangle_Pants no I’m pretty sure it’s not
"no one is going to care because this isn't an official mtg channel"
youtube algorithms: oh really?
Two years later just popping by to say WOTC never addressed or traced the store. Not a single person was punished for fraud or any other malpractice. And the poor fucker who got scammed never even got a refund. Also the vintage stock near my house (game store) does the same shit and when I confronted them on core 21 pre-releases that were clearly resealed with cards in the wrong order they all just played dumb.
Hell I'm mad for the folks who enjoy this hobby!!!
I appreciate people like you :)
I don't even play MTG but im starting to gain knowledge on glue, plastic, and how printers work lol
TomScott lol 😂
same, ive never held a mtg card but somehow stumbled onto this channel, i enjoy the commentary and like you said, ive learned quite a bit of what goes on behind the scenes
The game looks very expensive id probably just buy a full fake set of the first 4 releases of the game put them in a binder and that would be me done collecting. Playing online does not really interest me either poker is a more fun game to waste money on online lol.
TomScott I'm with you. Never played mtg or any card game like this but I'm semi addicted to watching these repck vids.
You should try it out. It's an awesome game and it is not as expensive as Rudy makes it seems. The game has 5 main constructed formats: Legacy, which uses all the expensive old cards Rudy shows off; Modern, which uses cards from the last 18 years and has an entry cost of about USD 2k but with cards that retain their value (you don't lose a lot of money since you can resell cards later); Standard, which is Wizards cash cow and has an entry of about USD 1K (probably less), but with cards that keep rotating and forcing you to buy new booster packs every couple months; Commander, which is more casual and very diverse, it's possible to build very good decks that win a couple hundred dollars and there is also room to go over USD 5K+ with a deck (but it's not pay to win, the couple hundred decks beat the high end expensive decks often); and Pauper, which isn't sanctioned but has been growing really strongly, with competitive decks that cost less than USD 100. I think you should try out pauper at your LGS, mtg is a truly awesome game.
Isnt this kind of thing an actual crime? Like in going to jail for it?
I live in Brazil. Here that qualifies as larceny and warrants 1 to 5 years of reclusion.
Yeah its 100% Fraud.
Rodrigo Gottin, Cops here are too lazy to actually do what we pay them to do. You will have to sue them and prove they did it to get some money. No one is going to jail though.
and if its not fraud its gotta be false advertising ( couldnt tell you the difference ), bottom line your knowingly screwing your customers
I think it would fall under tampering, but it's not food/drugs, so really, no one going to care. Best you can do is spread the word and kill their customer base
Yes, it’s fraud. You would have to be able to prove first that this store is selling these, and then prove who at the store is actually doing it. It would be pretty easy to prove. File a police report, and it should get investigated and then prosecuted.
Basic Summary:
- The bottom is often the resealed end. Look for noticeable glue, as packs are hot seal OEM.
- Except EU cards (apparently), modern packs should be cards facing the seam
- Wizards doesn't cheap on box shrink-wrap. If it feels like it is crackly and aged, there's a flag.
Why they dont have a wizards of the coast or magic the gathering mark on all of their shrink wrap is silly. They have to help people who aren't in the know.
"That bottom just doesn't feel right."
Yup
Is that a giggity?
Eyyyy
Easy to say when you're the top.
Please give Rudy the name of the store
John Hughes The Monstore
Athena, I have a monstore in my state, this wouldn't happen to have come from Nc would it?
What store and where?
Wait... Wait... Guys. The store Timmy bought these packs from is: Alpha Investments - Rudy's Garbagefire and More Store
That's some inception-shit right there.
*Sports & More*
Dude this is blowing up somehow, do a follow up video and expose where these came from you could really cash in on the follow up views
Hell, I don't play MTG or follow this channel or any related channels (besides I guess maxmoefoe pokemon, which I would call a stretch) and I'd watch the shit out of a follow up video to this. We must find a way to (metaphorically) BURN that scam store down!!!!
@@ZeepDr why "metaphorically" ? lets just get 'em
@@langerskate Because literally burning it to the ground is arson? ha
@@ZeepDr well we don't have to let anyone SEE us do it... ! ;)
@@langerskate Ahhhhh yesssss. Must ninja.
Magic has gathered us here somehow, i dont play but im mad about this
Thats why its called magic the gathering ;)
@@itz_gun_time8090 nice pun
I hope they catch that store!!! Just watching this video now.
You know Rudy loves magic by the way he stops mid-sentence when seeing gigantosorous to mention that its a cool card
NAME THE STORE....SAVE OTHERS FROM LOSING AND WASTING THEIR MONEY!!!
It seems that he named the store in the Video Description, underneath 'Fan Mail'.
@@freighttrain7143 umm... pretty sure that address is where to send his fan mail.. hence it being under fan mail...
@@freighttrain7143 Thats his own store dumbass
😂😂😂😂
@@diannikastarr8826 Maybe... 'Fan Mail' is a common sarcastic term for Where To Send Hate Mail as well, though.
And most content providers find it in poor taste to refer to their 'Fans'. Some would take it as boastful.
I don't play Magic and never watch this guys' videos, so , how would I know his store is called Rudy's Magic Store? His channel is apparently called Alpha Investments??
This video... actually explains a lot to me back when I played Magic and was invested in it. Buying the kits and whatnot. This... makes me a touch sad as I'm realizing that the game store, which I loved going to, was scamming me and I didn't even know it. Certainly explains why they just suddenly up and closed down one day.
I know it's an old example but I've also never told this story... I bought out 2 entire boxes of Jungle from 1999 on clearance at a Target in 2003, 8 year old me so excited to share in his newfound wealth had an opening party with friends, in 50 packs we saw 2 holofoil cards.
A year later, a friend's dad shows off how he did it, and he'd been at it for a while. He had a locked cabinet with big black binders loaded with stolen cards, hidden in his garage. He thought he was so cool, and then he showed off how he got them. He was resealing packs with fabric glue, smiling the whole way as he explained it. I'll be honest, at age 9, when I put 2 and 2 together, all I could do was burst out crying and run home. Never explained why to anyone, lied about why when asked. Something about an adult admitting to ripping you off right to your face with the biggest smile, that as a kid leaves mental scaring in places it wouldn't otherwise. I'm 25 now and it still haunts me to this day with a deep distrust of anything "random".
No offense but if they were doing this they wouldn't have "suddenly up and closed"
@@williamwaugh6 of course they would, wtf? That's what successful scammers do. They skip town before the heat gets too hot.
Excellent video, but I would've liked a comparison of a virgin pack being opened.
I agree that a regular pack would have been nice, however I can say having opened a lot of them myself a regular pack opens 100% just like the tops of each of those packs. The top and bottom open exactly the same and the seal going down the back's center isn't fused down like they are on the bottom of those 6 packs.
I was waiting for a virgin pack to be open...I felt so disappointed when I got the end of the video and no new pack was open. Sad.
That's what he did
Yo Rudy, hope you stumble across this comment.
If you keep in contact with the fella that made you aware of this, would you be able to find out the company that sold him the resealed packs?
You're a smart man, you wouldn't put a company on blast without having undeniable proof due to potential litigation.
That being said, if you find out the company that pulled this shit, perhaps buying something from them and seeing firsthand that they're resealing packs, I'd imagine that'd be enough proof to calling them out in full and you get some tasty content out of it for the boiz and 2.0000000069% women.
(Anyone that happens to read this, shoot it a like for visibility. I want these cunts out of business).
What?
What the fuck are you on about? :3
you can buy something from them and have proof that the store did it not the kid and thats 2 witnesses or more if more ppl go get packs there, then we take it to the police and wizards.
To add to that, look at the box difference at 5:03... are you even sure that it was the store doing it or is this just another Chinese knockoff that China is so well known for of making products that look ever so close to the legit product but often with errors. I get different "Made in" locations, but is it standard practice to also make the tracking number location different style and move logos around to accommodate the different tracking number? To me that looks like a knockoff box which means it probably has a fake tracking number as well.
If only he opened a real one for comparison right there.
i was thinking the same thing. Would have been nice to see a comparison (and if the Manufacture just used a different glue at the bottom then the easy open at the top)
@@TheFourWindBadger They should open the same at the bottom as on top, but I'm with you guys: Should've opened a real one..
@@TheBushdoctor68 would cost like 25$ tho
Its a pre-release kit, they can be worth a good deal of money in a few years cause of their promo cards. Opening another one would be like throwing money away.
The packs are vacuum sealed. I know the feeling for comparison but I've opened enough of them to know he's telling the truth. This is a bigger problem then people realize.
Dude, call that store out. They need to be sued to death.
How can you prove its the store? What about the delivery service?
@@coloradolivin1626 how do you know?
@@coloradolivin1626 That's the same store that the owner apparently assaulted Jeremy from UnsleevedMedia and The Quartering at Gencon 2018
I have literally never played Magic and no idea why this was in the recommended but I'm pissed for you guys. 11/10 Will sub.
Terrible practices and fraudulent, there is grounds to sue.
Thank you for raising this issue.
I worked for a small chain of game stores around the turn of the century. We kept a shrink wrap machine at every store for the purpose of allowing customers to open and examine board game components and to seal products that arrived with damaged wrap (or none at all). During the time I was there, the Pokémon TCG launched. A few months into that insanity, the company fired half the staff of one store for looting and resealing individual card packs using the machine. It was ridiculous.
If you should find evidence of tampering, let people in your local community know and try to show the evidence to the highest level manager you can access at the store. Store owners and management, particularly at small stores and regional chains, should all be well aware of the dangers associated with losing community trust over a short-term scam, so it's more likely a disgruntled employee doing it without their knowledge. Let the management know that until you can be confident that their products are legitimate, they'll no longer receive your business. If it comes up enough, you'll either hear that something has changed through local contacts or the whole shop can be written off. But you should let people in a position of authority at the store know, lest they have their business destroyed because they were unaware of an untrustworthy person or persons in their employ.
@@NoJusticeNoPeace Your story has literally nothing to do with anything...
@@NoJusticeNoPeace No, I don't understand genius, as these packs weren't repackaged returned goods. They were illegally SEARCHED goods, with items REMOVED and REPLACED, and sold as new and unopened. Therefore, nothing you have said is relevant. Did you even watch the vid?
A wild Conrad appears!
@@NoJusticeNoPeace The point you are making still has nothing to do with the video or anything anybody else was saying moron. Good day.
@@NoJusticeNoPeace No game shop is going to take returns on opened MTG cards.
this problem can be easily stopped, have the old plastic wrap with the wizard logo on them again.
that is not difficult to print yourself.
This is going to make me look at the package after I open them from now on to check for excess glue. I can feel my OCD flaring up.
This is making me rethink all my purchases omg. Not from Rudy. Almost like to send in all my boxes for him to confirm. It's buggered
I'm not even playing this card game, but hell I hate shady business practices and I'm always eager to draw my pitchfork on the internet.
The fake one seems more like cellophane wrapped than plastic wrapped.
Like cigarette packs
The reseal is also tube wrapped with no side seam. A melt temperature test would flush out the difference in resins.
Andrew Finck yup, deff sounded like a pack of grits being opened.
Any smoker can tell you thats cellophane similar to the type on cig packs
CSI Marlboro
Here I am at 3am, watching a guy opening Magic's cards and I never played magic in my entire life!
Ya he is good amazing. I started buying cause of him hahahahah. He should run for pres
When you opened the plastic, the first thing you wanted to look at was signs of folding fatigue on the pleated lid. You skipped past that, but it also seemed like it had been folded before. A virgin box is assembled, not folded open and folded closed, so the hinge of the pleated lid should not have any cracking or folding signs.
"Support your local game stores" LMAO
Innocent until proven guilty...
Or rather, trust but verify.
As a previous MTG player that makes me mad. I don't open enough packs to spot crap like that. Man that's crap.
Tampering with consumer products is a big no no, that store needs to be put to shame
2 years later… Dragon’s Hoard Pre-Release foil is now a $15-20 card. Probably, top 10 cards from the set thanks to Cedh, Small victories!
I support the name and shame method. We should know who the store is.
well, to bad that woud open up for Rudy to be sued by the store, as he has no proff of what he is saying.
Yeah, you're absolutely right. Rudy was handed a package and the owner made a claim, that is all we know, everything else is up for debate.
In theory, it's also entirely possible that when the owner purchased the packs, they were normal, and he actually took the good cards out and then re-sealed and re-packaged everything himself to send to Rudy to "frame" the store? Possible. Also completely possible that everything he said in his letter was true and that the store is indeed just a scumbag store. Hard for us spectators to say for sure either way. Probably worth looking into though.
It wouldn't be defamation, all the packs have to be is from the store. The store would have to prove what he is saying isn't true. He doesn't have to prove is opinion about the packs.
So one thing that kind of sucks about this sentiment is that anyone could just buy some product from a store that they have beef with reseal some shit and send it to Rudy or whoever to get blasted. The only way to be sure would be to have someone go to said store and show in an unedited video that the products are fraudulent. People are scumbags all around.
I honestly Wish you had opened one of your normal packs so we could see the difference for our selves. But thank you for the video, really enjoyed it, and wish there was something I could do.
I was thinking the same.
bottom should not differ from top since same method has been used from factory to seal bottom and top... he doesnt need to show us that is way too clear of evidence that these are re-sealed
@@d2an3i Top and bottom might be different types of seal maybe for costumers to open it easier. A lot of companies have special seal techniques so the costumers can open it easily or whatnot, that we the public are NOT AWARE OF. You have nothing to argue against because these are not common knowledge.
Besides, it wouldn't hurt if he showed the difference between a legit bottom seal and a fake one. It would then be perfect.
@@dtothee8730 They've always used the same method of sealing the top and the bottom. I used to play 20 years ago, and they were using the same method of sealing that they do today.
I never had a pack that had been resealed, but they use the same thing to seal the top and the bottom because it's cheaper. It's not like these packs are particularly hard to open, and there's generally enough room at one end to cut them open with a scissors if you need to.
You could see the difference in the top of the pack from the bottom, no need to open an actual factory sealed pack.
I have a similar story. I bought the Yu-Gi-Oh! Legendary Collection with binder from an online card store. I was first suspicious when I didn't see the official Yu-Gi-Oh! brand Egyptian eye plastic seal and when I looked through the whole collection and the Egyptian God cards weren't in the set. I looked everywhere and when I emailed them they assured me several times that they can't tamper with those because they are sealed by Konami. I reached out to Konami who said that they check everything to 100% and would not ship a set without all the items in it. I reached back out to the card store and told them what Konami said and they told me there wasn't anything they could do. I took screenshots that showed the same cards (the set number matched) were being sold on their store individually. I left a 1 star review explaining what they did and that they're screwing over their consumers and said I would happily take down the review if I got what I was promised. After nearly 2 weeks arguing with them they finally sent the cards and I left the same review, adding in parts about how terrible the customer service was on top of scamming customers. Unfortunately I don't think this guy will be able to get what he was owed by the store that screwed him but hopefully some kind of justice will be served.
14:15 "Nothing's going to happen. No one's going to care." He's half right. The community is outraged but the store is still up and running.
What was the store's name???
What's the stores name?
What's the stores name?
Lmao, that wasn't shipping damage. That was from some dudes thumb opening it the first time.
Is there an update on the whole thing?
Id like to know if he contacted people or authority.
@Andrei Georgescu But they are losing money from it. Not only in reduced customer trust, but these scammers are also lowering the value of the rare cards on the market by selling the pack twice (the worthless packs to the scam victim and the rare cards to the traders) making genuine boosters less valuable as well.
@Andrei Georgescu This does hurt their brand though. If people buy packs and don't get anything good they'll stop buying packs.
@@DasVERMiT yup. They probably have psychologists tuning the payout ratio to optimize the addiction level. If you lower the ratio the junkies will start going clean.
@@alienswillalwaysexist9495 no they pretty much junkies because they are addicted to opening the packs and to try get rare card that could make them their investment back or as a show of pride when it reaches a certian value and is in limited quantity
@@VioletEverlasting I agree. There certainly is an addiction to mtg.
Wow I thought this was a current day video but its 3 years old. Thanks algorithm. Good to know this has been going on for a while.
Ah the CZcams algorithms.. I know nothing about magic nor do I honestly care.. but now I'm pissed on principle. Their mind control is working
😡😡😡
I really don't care about Magic the Gathering or booster packs but thanks. It was really interesting... When do we start riot?
Xeit tomorrow about noonish
Sometime after im done eating...
Cant riot unless you tap a rare mana that was stolen. 😜
*Take the store owner to small claims court. You could easily get all of your money back.*
I would take him straight to the police, get your money back and put him in prison where he belongs.
No one hires a lawyer for small claims court...
Do you even know the difference in the court systems?... Or do you think they are all the same?... Jesus.
I mean, do you even think that every court case is represented by a lawyer? Do you know what self representation is?
Imagine how stupidly cost defficient it would be if I had to hire a lawyer to get back my 200$ TV that my crazy-ex stole from me but I have the receipt and box for.
Ignorance at its finest.
CookiesfromHell >> Public prosecutors doesn't cost money for the filing party, idiot.
You don't need a lawyer to go to small claims court.
if Store loses the claim, they have to pay for any cost that associated with the claim, i.e. lawyer fee too. However unfortunately the claim is not that much seen to many lawyers... unless someone is doing it for a good will, I doubt you can find a lawyer fight this case for you.
I do nothing with MTG... but for some reason I still find myself watching Rudy's vids.
Me too! LOL
I haven't played or purchased any since 1995.
@@MRgrimlock84 a good friend of mine is a huge MTG collector, I stayed collecting pokemon since '99.......bht I find Rudy's vids fun to watch. Fun to see the good stuff in a card game I know nothing about! Haha
I haven't played Magic since the Urzas' block. This was a problem back then, got resealed packs of Saga from dealers at a regional tournament in Seattle.
It's common for stores like this to rip people off. When I was a kid, I played mtg, and only my knowledge of card values saved me. Almost every store I went too would farm kids for their rare collectibles/cards. I was even kicked out of a store for telling a kid not to sell a card for what they being offered because it was really rare, despite what they were being told. It's not every store obviously, but you can tell which ones are in it for the fun/hobby and the ones that are in it for the money. Buyer beware.
good to hear! happened to me as well! this was back before smart phones in 2002. and ALOT of people did not know values at the time and/or could quickly look it up. A store tried to offer my friend two booster packs for a foil shadow mage infiltrator ( at the time very expensive) i told him not to do it and i got kicked out and told never come back.
All the rare cards are for individual sale I'm sure usually in the glass case that they'll claim was sold by traders.
I tried playing Magic once, but then I realized that I'd have to pay through the nose every time there was a new release just to continue participating. And the guys I played against were more interested in grinding a noob into the dirt than helping me learn to play. All-in-all, an absolute garbage experience. I do love the card art, though.
Same! I have hundreds of cards but no one to play because all these veterans rather stomp me into the ground with their super precision deck. Not fun after the 3rd time
May I recommend the Commander/EDH format? It's much more casual than other formats, is typically less about winning and more about fun, and you don't need to have the most recent release to play it.
You played with the wrong group... myself and my group including the person who taught me... we teach the trigger aspect of the game its basic rules and most importantly making sure you know exactly what your cards do... we have many practice runs with new players before we say okay time to begin (even after we do begin the strongest deck we bring out is a 5 or 6/10 to play against newbies). We want people coming back to play not to crush them so they never want to play again. You played with the wrong group
As of 3/15/2022, 1.3M people care about this type of behavior, algorithm hooked it up nice today! Thanks for being you Rudy!
Timmy Detective Services cracks another case !!! Villain was heard saying "... and I would have gotten away with it, if it weren't for these pesky Timmys !"
Hahaha
The first fake pack, you could see the edge quality of the cards were damaged...
I'm glad I stopped buying booster packs back in the early 2000's. Except for the occasional one for the sake of nostalgia.
6:25 "Listen how loud that is. It's like my bedroom!" Hah!
The stuff he says omg
if ur reading this bro please give the name of the store they are screwing other people too not just you
TTD SHOOTERS and no idea how long they been doing it
Plebmeister Punished? How? Calling bullshit
plebmeister is the store owner
look on reddit for the name
which sub reddit? can you please link
"I'm gonna buy this store out and just call it Beta Investments." that line got me
That's crazy, I was literally attending Elm City Games when this was posted, and I had no idea about it. To be fair, that is/was a shitty store with almost no players.
You know... I don't even own a MTG card and I'm furious
I appreciate people like you my man
There should never be glue in a pack. They are sealed with heat if I'm not mistaken.
There is a thin layer of pet over the entire film and that melts
Exactly as Stephanie said. The film is crimped and heated just enough to make a weld to the plastic. This way the seal is strong enough to withstand what the booster goes through (handling etc.) but is easily peeled when opened.
Watching Alpha-Investments for a year or so, and today i finished learning how to play Magic. It seems to be pretty fun.
one is never "finished" learning Magic
I am finished. I memorize every card I see.
Try not to let the playing thing waste too much of your time. It can get in the way of your investments.
no, i wanna play card games, not online games.
It doesnt have the feeling that real card game have.
And yes I am enjoying all your old videos a bit at a time Rudy!!
So interesting to watch! Definitely will be checking my packs from now on, got me paranoid level 100.
See you thought they we're tricking people, but really, it was just Magic!
This is why I buy nothing new.. plus because I have no money
No its because you have no money
I had money...
Lol so suspicious. Though a lot people haven't even a lgs available to get hosed
peter turna i can host one if you want. Ill bring pizza
Damoni Cruz 😆
Holy F just came here as someone trying to get back into magic. LOL. And now there's even this happening? Woahh.... Hi from Singapore!
6:28 "its like my bedroom" *laughs in virgin*
Thanks Rudy, great video and way to get it on camera!
There is also a sticker on the prerelease pack from wizards on the shrinkwrap. So you can tell it was resealed.
This is why I was happy my local store and the Game Stop didn't fall to this with world of warcraft cards. I got 3 mounts buying packs and boxes and was dancing when I opened the packs in my car and ran inside to buy more.
GA police officer here...If anyone didn't know, this is a huge felony charge...it's Larceny. Some and most, states have grand larceny. Not to mention any other law they are breaking to include federally. Please please please, if you find this in your store TURN IT IN TO THE COPS. Only way to lose against evil is for good people to do nothing! Good luck!
NAME THE STORE! THEY HAVE NO PLACE IN THE COMMUNITY!
*sings* Whoaa, baby batch-numbers don't lie, don't lieeeeeeeee!
Tiny Rick: If only that were remotely true... LOL
This grinds my gears!! All those poor timmys! This is an outrage! Thank you for blasting this rudy.
There’s a card shop I use to go with my friend and we went to buy Yugioh Cards and my friend bought 60 dollars worth of packs from the display and didn’t pull a single card that has value, just cheap super rare cards that come with every pack. So he got so pissed off and demanded the store owner to open a new box right in front of him and he ended up getting good stuff from the new box. This store was notorious for weighing their own packs or resealing in the past and we found out that day we went cause we talked to people there and they all said that they don’t buy packs anymore only singles cause they were suspicious about it. We ended contacting Konami and had that store blacklisted. So Konami made it an unofficial store for tournaments which means that they don’t provide them with OTS packs anymore. Also they would take out the good Duel Terminal cards from the machine and sell them and leave the common ones inside.
In the end of the day you are an APROVED MAGIC COMMUNITY CHANNEL and that is sometimes way better. Thanks for the heads up on the bottom glue job this is horrible to think LGS are doing this crummy thing.
LGS named Dark Tower in Washington does crap like that all the time.
I havent been up there in a while, but that is good to know!
Yeah seeding packs, selling fake cards, abusing players credit system. Pretty poor form.
Literally saw this with my own eyes and have dealt with that store multiple times. Plus you had that reddit fake card fiasco before too.
curiosity and 5 seconds on Google turned up some interesting results about how shady this store is, like selling a fake $500 card, and the owner getting banned from warhammer tournaments for cheating.
WHAT A TESTICLE SHOW
So, I saw this video in my recommended feed, and was like "huh, this is weird..." -
A little backstory (brief): I just came out of a group of stores in my area all named "Dragon's Keep" - I've been a bit annoyed with them all for only selling boxes at per pack prices. I asked if I can buy SEALED boxes, and they all laughed at the idea. "Why?" - Because, I don't need you guys rat-fucking the packs. Sure as shit, tried to buy a box anyway, hey, I want to support my "F"LGS - before I bought the actual box, I reached in and felt the packs - everyone has noted that the Throne of Eldraine boxes have some poorly cut packs that house "the good stuff". Magically - no such packs existed in the box. But, here's the kicker: The store was selling two such boxes, and they had eight "random" packs opened on the side table (where they do prep projects) and lo-and-behold - all of the "good stuff" just happens to be there, and they're selling them all as singles. So, f* those guys.
Well, that helps explain how certain game stores can sell boosters at half price and claim "charge enough to pay for things".
Yeah, off of legit seals and repack garbos...
I went to the midnight prerelease. My buddy opened his and it didn’t have a promo. I was like wtf. He brought the box to the employee and they gave him a new one. This time I watched him open the it. It didn’t have a promo. The odds of that are crazy. So he brought that back to the guy and said it didn’t have a promo again. This time the guy made him open it in front of him. This time he actually got a promo Lili. I don’t think my LGS tampered with it. But it’s crazy how that happened to begin with.
spartanboosts That’s just WOTC cutting corners.... we’ve had double promo boxes before too.
I once had a pre-release kit with a 7th pack which I did not use in my pool. WOTC has bad quality control.
One time I opened up a brand new GameCube in one of my packs
+spartanboosts That's WOTC quality control more than anything else. In my store we had 3 out of the 162 Core 2019 kits missing promo cards and one with double promo packs. It happens and seems like he was one of those incredibly narrow cases where he happened to get two bad kits back to back.
In m15 I had a prerelease kit that was 4-5 packs with the same stuff in a prerelease kits
THANKS RUDY now I know what to look for.
Who has the kind of time this would take? Insane.. maddening and frightening all at the same time. Please blast the store. PLEASE!
Idk where this came from but I love vids like this and insta-sub.
This is quite literally the CZcams Algo saying :Hold my Beer