Film Theory: Is Spider Man ACTUALLY Guilty of Murder? (Spiderman No Way Home)
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Spoilers for anyone who hasn't seen Spider-Man: No Way Home! The movie opens with Peter Parker dealing with the fallout of Mysterio's big reveal at the end of Spider-Man: Far From Home and his apparent death at the hands of Spider-Man. Flash forward to Matt Murdock as his lawyer saying Peter has nothing to worry about and will likely be found innocent. Not so fast, Daredevil! Maybe you are not as good of a lawyer as you think you are...
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As a self teaching lawyer, I really wish more videos like this exist.
Yesss
Congrats on pin!
Ohmygod. You pinned my comment! I've never had this happen before!! Do I need to do anything now?? Will I be put into a battle royale with all the other pinned comments?? This is definitely surprising.
Welp, time to sue spiderman then.
@@storiesbybenjaminh.m.8461 😂😂
It always bothered me that this MCU's Spider-Man saved so many in New York, in addition to helping save the Universe in End Game, yet folks were more likely to believe Mysterio - a "superhero" in Venice who was around for about two weeks.
I know right
This just shows how, in the MCU, the regular civilians are just so ungrateful.
That's the power of marketing baby
LITERALLY. I’ve thought so much about this before
@@Kaltagstar96 not ungrateful, uninformed
If Matt Murdock wasn't a good lawyer what other explanation could there be for catching a brick hurdling to Peter's face
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Right, it'd be insane to suggest he's a vigilante.
@Don't read profile photo Shut up.
A good blind guy
He's not a just good lawyer. He's a REALLY good lawyer
The most important line Matt says is that “there is still the court of public opinion” and THAT’S Peter’s main struggle. It’s not that HE doesn’t get into M.I.T., it’s that MJ and Ned don’t get it by association. Regardless of legal guilt, his reputation is tarnished
Also, I see a lot of people getting mad that they're upset they didn't get into MIT when there are other colleges
Those people clearly didn't pay attention to the movie, bc they legit say this is their final chance to go to college. Every other school already rejected them
@@mechengr1731 exactly
What a Ginormous Deal for all of them pooooor guys... :///
@@mechengr1731 Well people are right, they were rejected yeah.. this time. It sucks for sure, having to wait to apply next time, but you are never out of options, just because all your applications were rejected one year.
@@insaincaldo Lots of people don't want to/can't take gap years. Especially when you're going to THE MIT.
Murdock didn't say he got Peter off, he said he doesn't think the charges are going to stick. (since there really is no evidence of him killing Mysterio). Just Mysterio CLAIMING that Spider-man is a criminal.
And the video is not an evidence?
@@simonhollad5511 Nope, the charges was regarding Peter murdering Mysterio, which is not seen in the video. Only that he supposedly ordered a drone strike.
Mysterio basically said Spider-Man is a criminal and did nothing to show any proof
@@simonhollad5511 getting convicted means "beyond a reasonable doubt" which means the jury has to be 95 or 99% certain you did it.
It's easy to tell the footage was doctored.
One thing that really stuck out to me was when Matt said “you may not be guilty in a court of law but you still have the court of public opinion to deal with.” It really shows in the beginning of the movie and is especially meaningful in todays day and age
Absolutely! And it could also be seen as a callback to season 1 episode 3 of Daredevil where he has a speech addressing the jury built on that idea. It even ends with the line "beyond these walls, he may well face a judgment of his own making. But here, in this courtroom, the judgment is yours, and yours alone." (Of course, the main difference is that in that episode he was defending someone who was actually guilty but that's irrelevant.) It's a really good speech that just stuck with me. And an awesome episode that shows how he truly is a really good lawyer.
@@ariannamonson4092 How did he do that? Well he’s just a really good lawyer!
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I though you meant matpat at first
like when rittenhouse was acquitted and everyone worshipped him
the brick can confirm: Matt Murdock is a REALLY good lawyer
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Ah
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Not only is all of Mysterio’s “evidence” completely inadmissible, but even if the EDITH program doesn’t keep logs of users and orders, which seems unlikely, there should be TONS of *counter* evidence proving Quentin Beck was a grifter and the real villain. For one thing, Quentin Beck, if that’s even his real name, was a former Stark employee, so Happy should’ve been able to pull up his employee file and show the world Beck was a hologram technician fired for being unstable, not an interdimensional soldier. For another, Flash Thomson was able to livestream the entire London attack, so there should be ample security footage showing the drones emerging from Mysterio’s weather monster. Not to mention that someone would’ve had to recover Mysterio’s body, and would’ve found that he wasn’t wearing the futuristic supersuit he was shown wearing in his dying video, but rather a suit covered in AR patches and hologram projectors.
That makes so much sense!! 💯
My theory is that the Department of Damage Control is as much a PR firm for the Avengers/SHIELD as a literal clean up crew. Their job is to protect the public from the aftermath of major events, including the release of damaging information. SHIELD relies on its clandestine nature to operate under the radar. What better way to cover up your involvement in a major event than to work directly with and through the DoDC? Who else sent Murdoch? Either Murdoch works for SHIELD or he was hired by Stark to be the on-call superhero lawyer for superheroes. Either way, the arrest, the fake charges and even Murdoch’s [lack of actual] lawyering was just a show to avoid having to release information they (SHIELD and the DoDC) have that would be damaging to SHIELD, the Avengers and Stark but would exonerate Peter. A less cynical take might be that they were attempting to protect Peter from the fallout of releasing that he turned over the EDITH glasses to Beck but I think the murder accusation is probably worse.
I agree with much of this excerpt the government would never allow the information that they didn't properly vet Mysterio get out. The public would always believe he was from another universe even if they had to get a skrull to pretend to be this universe's beck. What I think is strange is Peter had many abilities including the use of drones, holograms,, and skrulls to "prove" he wasn't super-man. They can literally be in the same room or Spider-man could be anywhere in the world while Peter is in custody.
Why would you take the time to write an entire essay on this
Facs
Wasn't shield aware/backing this effort, even if nick was replaced, shield was 100% involved with the fight and could easily prove that Mystiro was a bad actor, and not who they first thought he was. This all backs Peter's side.
Yes, but you forgot the part where HYDRA was exposed as working within SHIELD a decade prior. Most people wouldn't trust anyone from SHIELD after something like that. At best, SHIELD was incompetent enough to trust Mysterio and/or Spider-Man in the first place. At worst, they were in cahoots with that wall-crawling menace.
* not even Agent (Melinda) May can intimidate Mr. Jameson into airing a retraction.
Yup, and because he's arguably signed the Sokovia accords, and shield authorized his actions, he's completely in the right. If anything, SHIELD would be held responsible
Fun Fact: Tony does actually bring Tom Holland in Civil War legally; in Far From Home, we see his passport, which is dated 2 days before Civil War released to theaters. Therefore, Tony expedited the Passport process to bring Peter quickly
you're forgetting the fact Peter picked up the passport in Far From Home which takes place long AFTER Civil War
I never caught that. If you're right, that's a really cool detail.
@@ranwolf1240 Him picking up the passport in Far From Home is not incompatible with him having gotten it in Civil War. He could've simply had it kept in a safe deposit box or something similar for the period in which he wasn't planning on needing it/was dead.
@@ranwolf1240 that could have been him getting a new one as he did disappear in the snap
yeah, right
"Spiderman gets off pretty easily"
Also Spiderman losing everyone he loves:
It also occurs to me that the DoDC might have been actually arresting Peter for stealing exotic Stark tech; which their own records would eventually reveal had actually been legally turned over to Peter by Stark/Potts. Maybe Peter only thought murder charges were involved because of Beck's accusation.
Finding Mysterio's body in a mocap suit would also probably be a massive red flag that literally none of his story was valid and would instill mistrust that he was killed by Peter as well.
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He probably left a while after the battle
I was thinking that, too.
Also, the video footage could have easily been proven to be edited. Not once did you see Peter's face, we don't see the full conversation, we don't know the full story of the video... but that, unfortunately, is enough to convict a 16 year old minor in some people's eyes.
Truueee, didn't even think of that!
@@NCTStudio He died on the bridge tho...
The charges being dropped didn't seem particularly strange or improbable to me. As explained in this video, there was never any solid evidence. I don't think that Beck ever expected Peter to face legal consequences, but he knew that the accusation and Peter's identity being made public would be enough to effectively ruin his life.
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@Beast v2🔥 ah yes, a 3 second fake giveaway video is better than everything this channel have made
Have you seen the american justice system? Peter definitely should've been prosecuted for something lmao. To be fair again tho he's got rich/connected people behind him so wait yeah...nevermind makes sense he got away scot free.
@@fatty1040 I have seen the American justice system. Look at OJ...
There was nowhere near enough evidence to actually convict Peter of anything. Like Matpat says, literally the only evidence that existed was a doctored video which doesn't even show Peter's face when he supposedly gives the execution command.
@Beast v2🔥 Shut up, dude. XD
Couldn’t they just do a quick background check on Quentin Beck and find out that he designed the hologram and drone technology for Stark industries? If they look at any of the drones, they could easily realize that they’re using the technology he invented. The drones have a projection of mysterio in them so it would be incredibly easy to put two and two together that he fabricated the entire thing.
Don’t forget that Ned asks for a lawyer and they just continue to interrogate him. Also, aunt May asks to see his 17 year old entrusted nephew and they don’t let her.
Not to mention Agent Cleary threatened May with a child endangerment charge even though she was NEVER a risk to her nephew. He was trying to get a rise out of her. The interrogation took place in July. Peter's birthday is August 10th, he was still technically 16 during the interrogation. By the time he came back to school on the first day of his senior year, he was 17.
Fun Fact: We don't see the judicial process for Peter in No Way Home because the scene got cut for time. It would have added 20 more minutes to the movie.
If this is true, then I hope they release the deleted scenes somewhere.
@@beccag2758 Considering success of Zack Snyder Justice League I think behavior like this should be the norm.
@@nieznajomy4398 that has always been the norm in moviemaking, long before zack snyder. There are usually many scenes that end up being cut because while editing they see that the scenes dont add anything to the story or in part holds it back. Or just as a time save if the movie is too long, the less important or rather inefficient scenes are cut
#releasethedaredevilcut
@@FirstIdeasOnly So, like a huge portion of the scenes in the Snyder Cut.
Theory: The prosecution was Miles Edgeworth and he and Matt Murdock kept going back and forth presenting slightly different updated autopsies
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Considering that Capcom did a crossover with Marvel and the multiverse being a thing in Marvel, this could actually be true
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GamingButBad lol accurate. Also holy cannoli the amount of bots!!
I’m still bothered by how fast Jameson called Damage Control on Peter for... taking some weird guys into his home. I don’t even think he knew about the others; his tip was just that they were leaving May’s food drive in a truck. I guess he might want to investigate, but on what grounds could you possibly get Damage Control to arrive so soon with a full swat team? If they knew Octavious and Osborn were there, surely they’d swoop in and arrest them for their bridge destruction. But no, they just wait until the fight progresses and decide Peter is the threat. And for them to start opening fire on Peter as he lies there with his DYING aunt just doesn’t seem like an organization on his side.
I'm telling you here and now, If I was in Peter's situation, I would hire MatPat as my lawyer!
Matpat: Matt Murdock didn't have to do anything to get the charges dropped.
Also Matpat: Thoroughly explains exactly how Matt would have debunked the charges.
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Bruh moment
Why so many bots?
@@The_Courier7 They are absolutely everywhere now, it seems. Every channel I watch, small or big.
Matt is a good lawyer in terms of when he is actually being the lawyer. His problems were not being there for his clients lol
Can you imagine going to court for murder and your lawyer is not there to defend you. That's a big deal
@@sedohema I mean, the other one was there.
It's all about branding
- Bishop
@@israellai i think I understand that refreance
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3:30 Okay, but like... Home Arrest could've actually been a great idea had the multiverse stuff not panned out. Peter is stuck at home, but a new villain is on the loose, and none of the other heroes seem able to lock them down. Peter does what he can from home, investigating online, and having Ned and MJ go out on his behalf. He catches a lead and has a chance to stop whatever villain, but he can't leave. I guess people would say they already did this in Ant-Man, but I still feel this would be unique enough. Somehow he has to stop the villain without there ever being any proof he broke further laws. All this interspersed with actual court scenes in between various action bits.
Considering Pepper is the CEO of Stark Industries, I very easily believe that she orchestrated this coverup. Pepper signed the check Peter was holding in FFH so while they may not have a direct relationship (i.e via Happy) she may have wanted to keep S. Industries looking clean especially after Tony's death. So it makes sense to make a big thing about raiding for the drones, Iron spider suit etc so she could clean up the company reputation and dissociate herself from Peter.
I'm still so surprised that almost everything we predicted that would happen in this movie came true! Matt Murdock, the Three Spider-men, M̶e̶p̶h̶i̶s̶t̶o̶, they all came true
Lol
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What do you mean “we”?
@Don't read profile photo touch some grass bro
Even if Jameson saw something that HE thought was illegal, even with his brief jurisdiction as mayor in the comics he would have to take it to the cops first. Even when Spider-Man webs up cars, he doesn't want people getting hurt so he's not doing anything except his job to *PROTECT* the public. Jameson is jealous of Spider-Man because he's everything Jameson isn't and as noted in the comics, is a bit pissed for overshadowing his son and making him look like the bad guy, except he was. Superheroes alone had certain qualities he didn't, so he saw them as public menaces despite having no proof of it. The heroes were doing their jobs, but Jameson saw it as them "being above the law" even though they weren't. TL;DR: Jealousy and envy fuels him, nothing else.
10:47 I suggest you lookup hearsay. It does not automatically get dismissed. That's a misunderstanding of the law
Remember how the angry crowds said “we believe Mysterio?” It seems clear that the defense debunked Mysterio’s video, yet people still insisted it was the truth.
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This is what happens when media pushes narratives, and ignores facts. Johah Jameson is gonna preach Spider Man is the devil regardless of what the facts in the case say. Sadly people WANT to believe that what they are being told by the media is true.
perhaps the most realistic thing in the MCU: people not believing facts
honestly its kind of realistic to our own universe.
sounds familiar...
A few thoughts I had:
1) Even if you were to argue that Peter was breaking our vigilantism laws, which he may not have been, he pretty clearly wasn’t breaking the MCU’s vigilantism laws since they take that far less seriously and he is a recognised Avenger
2) If EDITH keeps a record of which user is logged in and give which orders that’s even more evidence to clear Peter
3) I don’t think that the DODC was acting as a part of some convoluted Stark cover up, especially because they do launch a major investigation into Stark Industries, it’s more likely in my opinion that with the rising number of superhero incidents and especially the signing of the Sokovia Accords there would need to be a government agency specifically for monitoring and regulating them and the DODC is the obvious choice for that because it’s already their area of expertise
Let me give you a comment that isn't a bot and say THATS ACTUALLY ACCURATE MY GUY
love those thoughts and totally agree! although on the 3rd one, i believe the news cast in the movie didn't specify that it was the dodc investigating stark industries. but idk for sure, so take that with a grain of salt, just a thought :)
@@belmoon01 I don’t think they ever outright say it but I that it’s DODC vans that are shown in the scene
SWORD and SHIELD are also in those expertise and even work on vigilanti cases already tho. throwing the DODC in the mix makes it clustered. I'm Film Theory on this cause they already have access to STARK Industries cause they're owned by them. He said it's a joint project between STARK Industries and the Government already. The whole thing looked like a setup even when I was watchin it in theaters. I was wonderin why they didn't just arrest them all. Plus they have knowledge of Fury being off world. tell me how tf would a cleaning agency playing cop would know that?
Isn’t dodc a part of shield in ultimate Spider-Man?
Yo that Matt Murdoch to DD transition at 2:40 was incredible!!!
Can we also talk about the fact that Quentin Beck pretended to come from another dimension, yet showed his face to the public? Like, no one recognized him?
Maybe the just thought it was an alternate version of the person they know?
I gotta say, this movie portrayed so many things perfectly. The way Peter was sort of dazed after his identity came out, that crazy scene where his spider sense went off was even crazier to see in the theater. This movie is incredible!
No kidding
Easy skippy. Incredible is just a tad over hyperbolic. It’s a good movie with some major head scratching scenes that really bring it down. Watch it without rose colored glasses on one time. The way Ned accidentally opens those portals when it took Strange how much effort? The absolutely mind numbing dumbass decisions Peter made time and time again, not to mention Peter acting like a spoiled toddler multiple times. Relax bud, it’s a good movie, certainly not incredible.
@@KelticTim it only took Dr strange a long time to open portals because he was reluctant to believe Ned already had a belief in magic and that he could do it so it was easy doctor strange just wanted to fix his hands and was therefor rushing to get his life back
@@KelticTim I don’t know about you, but incredible is definitely the word I’d use to describe my experience with it :)
@@KelticTim just saying, all the points you brought up are good points, but they can all be easily and logically justified
In Homecoming, Peter's suit records everything he sees. It wouldn't be a far stretch for this to still be included in his other suit since it helped him in Homecoming. Suit footage shows what really happened - case closed
Thing is, Peter also made the upgraded suit in a hurry so it's also probable he could only bother to install just the essential Spider-Man stuff and it's also likely that the plane he was in doesn't have the necessary resources specifically for that feature to be installed... not to mention for the very specific purpose he initially built it for, would that feature be part of his priority?
@@IzzuZiq I don't know but by this point Stark had mastered nano-technology, I don't think network speeds or data storage in the fabricator itself would be an issue here.
@@oasistu Sure but even then, with the focus on my points being about the recording feature of the suit, that doesn't really change whether Peter would bother to consider or remember to add the recording feature in the new suit. For the purpose of what his arc in FFH is supposed to be though, I do doubt it
But.... the suit got destroy in void abyss now MCU acted as it doesn’t exist
@TGDS the glasses would have recorded everything.
Remember it's illegal to lie to a federal agent.
It's not illegal for them to lie to you.
The agent wanted his "accomplice" to testify against him
Matt said it best “there is still the court of public opinion” even if peter isn’t charged, his life is ruined
What makes even less sense is that Peter could have just shown video or audio evidence from either his spidersuit or EDITH which we know from the films have the tech to record the events Peter has gone through but he doesn't. They also should have immediately known something was wrong when Peter says Nick Fury was a witness to everything, despite their knowledge of Nick not even being on Earth.
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What I think happened is because the damage contro seized all of the stark tech in Peter's home they also took the server that stores Edith (hence it's offline in nwh) and because it's offline, Peter can't access it
@@LoneBeastYT but if they took it over then Peter can just request that they themselves should look though the servers
Doesn't it record from his mask?
@@loganbritton6737 Yes and he had his mask on throughout his entire battle with Mysterio
The fact the charges were dropped didn't confuse me as much as the fact that apparently nobody figured out Mysterio was a fraud in the ensuing investigation. The public clearly wasn't told, or they are really REALLY determined to be ignorant. Makes sense even less if the DDOC conspiracy turns out to be accurate, exposing Mysterio would have been immediate good PR for Peter
Yeah I think at least some people thought Spiderman was innocent, like his teachers, and the people who bought Flash's book. but the opponents were vocal, and whenever Peter went outside he was faced with all the people who hated him. Jameson also hated him ofc
@@wabc2336 Hm, there is a jj from some of the comics that I really wished they use more. In it JJ is just as overbearing but he had a fair motive, he was afraid of someone running around with no overhead with super powers able to take down pretty much any danger the city faced, on top of that he believed that spiderman had a large part to play in the villains that spread throughout the city, that even if spiderman had nothing to do with their creation, he was the one who drew their attention to new york. His worries are valid.
Outside of that, beyond being a blowhard, he was willing to risk his life on more then one occasion to protect his employees, particularly peter, and even saw peter parker like a son.
But if Wilson Fisk is the one that is working with this damage control, what would that mean for the future?
@@osmanyousif7849 Fisk has always been a sort of stability in the underground. Willing to donate huge piles of money to keep things stable on the surface so that nobody wants to put in the effort to dig too deep into his territory.
So other then using them for cover up work. Probably not as much as you'd think.
As mysterio says, people will believe anything after the snap.
Evidence of the crime scene shows that Quentin died wearing a mocap suit analyze that with the video. Case is now dismissed.
Matt Murdock is a really good lawyer... when he actually shows up in court
Matt your misunderstanding that scene, he didn't get the murder charges dropped because he was a good lawyer, he caught the rock because he was a REALLY good lawyer.
Daredevil is law and justice itself 🙏
This conclusion also makes sense considering that at one point peter mentioned while interrogated that they can just "Ask Nick Fury" but they responded with "He is off world for (enter time)." Which Peter's reaction was a genuinely confused "How do you know that?"
I think they Said Nick wasnt there this 1 month
Nick Fury was on some space station. It was talos impersonating him. Fury's personal record would confirm him off earth. This in fact did make Peter's position awkward. But Fury should at least have showed up to defend a child endangered by him directly. I mean Peter was there just minding his own business on a school trip to talos as Fury showed up. He is the main villain in not showing up at all
Nick Fury was on some space station. It was talos impersonating him. Fury's personal record would confirm him off earth. This in fact did make Peter's position awkward. But Fury should at least have showed up to defend a child endangered by him directly. I mean Peter was there just minding his own business on a school trip to talos as Fury showed up. He is the main villain in not showing up at all
I think Beck's goal was to use the Stark tech to cause a bunch of damage and hurt Stark Industries overall. Because the drones were basically held liable for the damage and they mention that Stark Industries is in trouble. This could lead into Armor Wars as Stark Industries could get broken up or bought out by new characters
Add this to the evidence:
In the fake footage of Peter oofing Beck, Beck is seen wearing his Mysterio attire but he weared a motion capture suit in the actual fight. And some CSI worker had to get Beck off Tower Bridge, seeing him wearing a mocap suit!
You know, this video made me think, you remember how in Far From Home, "Quentin Beck" was just a front for a disgruntled ex-Stark employee? Well, when he made his appearance on Daily Bugle, it would only have been a matter of time for someone who knew his true identity to recognize him. As a matter of fact, I don't understand why Happy (from Stark) didn't recognize him. He was technically liable for identity theft. Could this also somehow invalidated his claims? (Other than being a major plot hole in Far From Home?)
That's where his backstory of hailing from another universe comes in. "Oh, there was a guy who looked like me in this universe and used to work for Tony Stark? What a strange coincidence. Anyway, back to being a superhero!"
@@PerovNigma Actually good point, a pretty strong alibi I guess for him.
Huh, I guess with their confirmation of time travel and the multiverse due to the Avenger’s jump through time such an alibi could stick in court.
@@darling9413
Do we actually know if the public is aware the Avengers time-travelled?
@@PerovNigma You make an excellent point! Sure Happy could recognise him, but Quentin could say "Oh well, different universe different rules. In one universe I worked for Tony Stark, but in this one, I'm a superhero, so...."
I think the whole MIT angle is him trying to go there to honor Tony in a way, so I'd argue him not finding a way of going at the end is even yet another sign of his growth leaving all that behind.
yeah, nah, he only wanted to go there with his freinds because its a good Uni, as addressed in the movie.
Naw that would have been a not Spider-Man moment Spider-Man leaving NEW YORK, his responsibility like Andrew could haved if Gwen left to London
It's not like he could have found another way anyways he is basically wiped off the system as peter parker at the end
@@dramaticmudderer5208 true but still
Just found out that there's GIFs of you on discord, this makes me very happy, I didn't know I needed it
Just watched it last night and them showing his reflexes so more people may give his show a try for context. Love the film definitely gotta rewatch this film.
Another thing to consider is that Spiderman is an Avenger, which also means he is susceptible to the Sokovia Accords. This means two things, 1) Aunt May is completely innocent and no charges can be filed against her considering that, as an Avenger, Peter’s actions are not controlled by May but rather the government, and 2) Peter himself is both protected and liable to the Sokovia Accords. Quinten Beck attacked London, and the Drones posed a serious threat to the safety and well being of the people there. Spiderman is there because Shield asked him to. Whether or not he wanted to save everyone there is now completely irrelevant as an organization/body of a government deployed him there. New York would not have the jurisdiction, or even the US government, can not charge him for completing the mission he was assigned to do (ie find the culprit behind the attacks and subdue him in any way, shape, or form)
Edit (because y’all don’t understand):
1)Peter is an Avenger, plain and simple. Stark gave him his suit, he was there to fight Thanos and in the same movie, Tony says he’s an Avenger.
2) May is still innocent no matter what. Peter is not the average human and what could be “Harmful” to someone else, is not harmful to Peter. He can lift literal tons that would usually crush a person, and he has way more endurance.
3) “Peter is a minor and can’t legally sign contracts” would be true except Tony, Happy, and May are all guardians of Peter. “But they didn’t say that in the movie so they can’t be his legal guardians”! Says who? Both Happy and Tony look after him and make sure his well being is safe, Tony funds all of Peter’s tech, and he gave Peter Edith (ie entrusting him with Stark assets). Just because its off screen, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen, especially with how much supervision and care he was provided with Stark and Happy
THIS
Thank you! Why is no one mentioning this? Peter was in team Stark so it’s easy to assume he probably signed the accords. This is the best explanation of why Peter is legally allowed to operate as Spider-Man in NYC
There was actually mentions of how Nick fury was off world and could not corroborate peters story; assuming that shield has something much bigger going on and Peter was small fry to them or should’ve been able to take care of himself via his influence with happy (which I mean, he did just not in a way that people were happy with)
@@SuthMasterMC would he be allowed to sign a legally binding document like that at the age of 15 though?
@@mrmistyeyed_ Yes he could sign it. International law dose not recognize a minimum age for legal action taken by an individual.
Interestingly enough, that exemption to the hearsay rule regarding dying confessions was referenced in an episode of Daredevil. So I guess Matt knew to watch out for it.
good point.
remember confessions are not elegible as a proof in any tribunal
Don't forget that damage control seized all... ALL... of Tony's remaining tech. The charges were a cover to get tech that couldn't be replicated. What if Riri's MCU origin is as a DoDC agent/intern? She is a student at... Wait for it... MIT. A collaboration with her, in Tony's tech, at MIT could reunite Peter with MJ and Ned. But that's just a theory... A film theory
12:21 I believe the Department of Damage Control gets jurisdiction over crimes and incidents involving Enhanced peoples. In theory, it would be as involved into American law enforcement as the FBI is
Didnt know his apartment was that close to Rockefeller Center 😂
It's still a pretty shitty apartment. I imagine Peter chose that one because it had such a nice view, but was also rather cheap.
@@MandatoryFruit what part of 4k a month is cheap to you? 🤣
@@jackm3672 In America? Thought that was the least you could pay for an apartment.
@@u-thix2436 you're kidding right? In a country where the average income is 50k a year, what part of 4k a month sounds like relatively cheap?
@@u-thix2436 dude you have a warped perception of America
I just binged watched daredevil and I can confirm that Matt Murdock is just a really good lawyer
he is a really good lawyer
he is just a really good lawyer
He really IS a really good lawyer
Who is a better lawyer Mat or Daredevil? I would seriously love to see Matt in a courtroom
But your honor that is just a theory a FILM THEORY ANDDDDD CUUT!
My favorite thing is being able to pop in headphones and bebop around work all day with you
Listen, I think Matt Murdock didn't say this loud enough, let me just say it again for you MatPat. He is a REALLY good lawyer.
He can catch bricks, he's that good of a lawyer
Murdock is a good lawyer he was just having a lot of difficulty balancing his daredevil and lawyer lives
Exactly, and as Matt his clients dying aren't exactly his fault
Mat forgot to mention that everyone near the attack in London saw that it was an illusion when it came down, and the drones only attacked people who would vouch for peter!
The 'departmennt of damage control' sounds more like a label the internet would give to someone that did something wrong and were, well, trying to damage control
Fun fact: Daredevil has a stronger Radar sense then Peters Spider-Sense According to an interview with Stan Lee.
I used to think that's why he caught the rock first and was a genius Easter egg for nerds. But no he's just closer to the window...
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2:48 well it’s the fact MIT refuses to let Ned and MJ into MIT because they are associated with Peter that makes the plot really start to happen
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Yes.
Its signifying he KNOWS whats more important than himself, HE doesnt care if he never gets in, but demands his friends shouldnt suffer JUST because they know him personally.
Which is Why Strange resonates with him: HE learned the hard way, Peter grew up enough to know that himself.
So he cuts him a break...er, TRIES to
When has MIT ever been fair though?
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this video blew my mind… like it’s so cool to think DOD was looking out for Peter bc of his involvement with tony, totally makes NWH that much better considering the quick dismissal of the charges
Dude the effort in this video is insane! Great job
How Spider-Man could have prevented this movie:
“I wish everybody forgot everything Mysterio said”
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Oof
I've always put 100% of this on Doctor Strange! He couldn't have taken 5 seconds to talk with Peter and iron out the finer details of this dangerous spell that was going to wipe out the entire worlds memory?
Or really just wipe the video.
@@RGC_animation by that point just making everyone forget the video wouldn't be enough, cause there's a lot of people that know simply by seeing the news or being told. so, if they just forget what Beck said, that there's the video, and the news that picked it up and said it
Matt didn’t say that he could get the charges of murder dropped; he says that he was a really good lawyer because he caught the brick.
I like that joke. As if being a really good lawyer would explain you having literal superpowers lol
Matt as Matt Murdock or Matt Patrick?
@@shadowclaw7210 mm not mp
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Okay, but even if getting the charges dropped could’ve been as easy as NWH portrays it to be based on the evidence presented, you’d think Mysterio and/or his team would’ve worked harder at fortifying their case. Given all the work they put into pulling off their scheme in FFH, it doesn’t make sense that they’d stop at the video as far as manufacturing and tampering with evidence goes. Obviously, the real reason things played out the way they did was because they had to abandon most of what FFH set up ASAP in order shift gears into a multiverse story, but I digress.
What if the reason the department of damage control stepped in wasn’t necessarily to save Peter and his friends, but to distract the public with the various charges while they collected the drone technology for themselves.
@Yup that's my name and since the damage control was a joint venture by Tony and Fisk (in the comics) all the assets would fall to him in the company
You know who else is guilty? You, Matt. You for not including the hyphen between Spider and Man
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Looks like both Matts are blind.
lmao Spider-Man ps4 reference
@@duckwithabs4537 No that is also refferenced in Spider-Man ps4 but its not from there.
i was not expecting you to hate on peter this bad
insane lmao
fr lol
I love this kind of videos in FT where they show real facts and evidence from the real world
my 2 biggest questions are 1. quintin beck would have been on Stark Industries enployment record so a little back ground search should show that he wasnt a multiversal hero and in turn didnt actually have superpowersbut was fired for workplace misconduct. 2. Edith was hook up to the start network, i find it hard to belive that they isnt a database how every command given to the glasses and by whom given it has voice recognition and access to ID databases. This should show that peter gave authority of the glasses to beck and the commands beck made made with said glasses, then peter cancel those commands after his defeat. Also find it hard to believe none of those drones had camars either and i doubt beck's computer guy would be able to doctor all of them.
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If the video doesn't hold in court cause it's easy to prove it's doctored plus nobody comes out to say they filmed it, there isn't really a need to look into Quentin Beck, or look into the other drones further, at least for Peter's case
@@arielmartinez94 for the court case no, but for peter's public image sure, there's at least enough evidance to take the 50/50 split in new york to like 75/25. Obviously the police wont help with that, but it shouldn't be hard for those on peter's side.
@@growlingscarab7 yeah, Peter didn't give them time to do so though
the only problem with them seeing logs of quinton and peter, they also see peter using a drone strike on the school kid.
I have to say, of every character that made an appearance in this movie, Daredevil was the one I got the most excited about!
Like I was expecting all the villains, and even the other Peters, but Daredevil came out of nowhere!!!
I thought the same. It was like 99.99% sure the other Peters would show. But neither Fisk nor Matt were confirmed (except by Feige to appear in some properties). And with as much neglect as the Netflix series have had, I was afraid they'd let him out of the picture. So yeah, I was so much more excited when his stick appeared than when Andrew came out the portal.
I loved where you spliced the earthbound music in there
As your own clips show, it wasn't just the audio that was messed with in that video.
The video shows Mysterio in his costume, but he was actually wearing a mo-cap suit. Thereby immediately throwing everything else into doubt as the footage was graphically processed.
We also see that Mysterio clearly looks too injured to be recording, so this footage would probably be of something like a drone, some people might have picked that up and found it to be fishy
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Although I've never seen the Daredevil show, I'm still familiar with the character and heard of the movie (with Batman). So when I saw a blind lawyer show up in the movie, I told my mum, who was also there, that I knew who that guy was immediately. Him catching that brick flying through the window just cemented my guess.
Heh. Cemented. Like a cement brick.
@@supreme_king_obama1158 wow, I never even thought of that as a joke. How observant.
@@Chris-ok4zo nah, I just have the power to find puns in sentences where no puns were intended.
@@supreme_king_obama1158 unintended puns are the best kind of puns to look for.
You should really check out the show. I just rewatched it on Netflix with my girlfriend since she'd never seen it before either. It's seriously fuckin' amazing. Seasons 1 and 3 really do deserve their 99% and 97% on Rotten Tomatoes. Season 2 is still good, but just not as good as the other two.
great video.
side note: there was a court scene cut out I'm pretty sure
i want Matt as my lawyer. No arguments at all, Matt would make an awesome lawyer.
Am I misremembering or did Toby's aunt had a literal house in the movies? Having a house in NYC requires more financial stability than having a two-bedroom apartment in Queens. I don't understand why Tom gets so much backlash for staying in an apartment? It's cheaper!
Exactly!!
In Andrew Garfield’s and Toby’s they both live in a house.
And like they aren't even paying for the one he points out. It's literally Happy's. They are just bumming there
Aunt May in _this_ movie does not have a house. And it would also depend on when she got the house; it’s entirely possibly that the mortgage payments are cheaper than rent due to a lower purchase price.
Well, in the original Maguire movies, the couple actually were extremely financially unstable; Ben was a 68 year old man who was unemployed and jobhunting after being laid off as a senior electrician after 35 years at an industrial plant; apparently, his pension wasn't enough for him to retire. Meanwhile, Aunt May was a housewife. Even though they owned a house, they were still paying a mortgage. I'm assuming they bought a house to raise Peter in after he was orphaned. On a senior electrician's salary in New York ($82,000), buying a house in Queens was definitely affordable back in 1992 (10 years before the movie) since prices on average were only $300,000 (inflation-adjusted) and the interest rates were relatively low (~3%) since the U.S. was trying to fight a recession. However, after Ben died, Aunt May struggled with keeping up with her mortgage payments. It is an entire subplot in Spider-Man 2, where Peter notices her foreclosure notice at his birthday party and argues with May over taking a $20 bill. It is also the reason they are at the bank when he fights with Doc Ock (they unfortunately did not get the toaster), and she ends up selling the house near the end of the movie where she gives the motivational speech. The original Spider-Man movies were never afraid to portray the Parkers as struggling working-class, salt-of-the-earth people.
Meanwhile, the same financial instability is not really seen in the MCU version. The average apartment in Queens is around $3000 per month, and that large an apartment would definitely cost more. In fact, it is even possible that the Parkers from the Maguire movies were paying less in mortgage payments (around $2,000) and yet they still struggled. So, MatPat is completely right in saying Peter is actually pretty privileged in these movies.
I've always put 100% of this on Doctor Strange! He couldn't have taken 5 seconds to talk with Peter and iron out the finer details of this dangerous spell that was going to wipe out the entire worlds memory?
If he had the slightest idea how wrong this could go, he could have talked to Peter about that, who, being a hero, wouldn't put everyone else at risk for his own benefit. And if Peter still wanted to do it, he could have just refused.
@@DanielLCarrier But then we wouldn't get the three Spidermen. :(
He probably could have also checked if peter talked to the college regarding the matter and if that failed hash out an actual list before starting the spell.
I got to admit that moment doesn't sit right at all and hit as a very "for the plot" thing. There's no way you can justify it, and they were just too lazy to come up with a reason of their own I guess.
but then again, strange doesnt have experience with teenagers, he didnt know that he would interupt the spell so much.
this was a great video! It really explains what could've very well happened!
At the end of the theory matpat calls the department of damage control the D.O.D please note that the D.O.D stands for the department of defense a real federal department that oversees the military. The Department of damage control would be the D.O.D.C
6:11 Bruh he didn't have to use that photo LMAO
You are missing some things here. First, the video would drive the court to grant a warrant. They'd have found all the evidence that Peter is Spider-Man and he did have control of the drones. However, I agree that Matt would have had someone look at the recording to get it thrown out. Then any other evidence (Peter did fight Beck on the bridge so there is probably some stuff that could be used to tie him to Beck's death) could be dropped as circumstantial. My theory is that Matt pinned a bunch of stuff on Stark and Stark Industries. The Dept dropped their charges and changed the focus to Stark I, which could handle any investigation.
The Department of Damage Control had changed their scope to dealing with/apprehending enhanced individuals. They are the guys who arrive at Happy's condo in NWH and start shooting Peter.
Matt did say to happy that, if he knew anything, he’d need a really good lawyer
I’ve been binge watching Film Theory for I think the past 3-4days..? Idk but It’s made me feel better because it puts my brain in thinking mood. :D love ya Mat!
Hey MatPat, I have a question for you. During the events of What If…?, how did Thanos get all the Infinity Stones (Minus the Mind Stone)?
Have you watched IW?
Once you prove the elementals weren't real, you pretty much win I think. Beck's heroics are identified as a sham and they have to reevaluate what constitutes valid evidence, even if their video forensics team is stumped.
Even if the drones were reworked by Beck's team to not store the footage after the MJ incident, it's London, some cameras or people caught the CGI monster breaking up.
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@@justinblakeney3466 u spoke too soon way too soon
Not to mention the projectors in his suit. So yeah once you prove "Mysterio" isn't real Quentin Beck losses all credibility
It was always fascinating to me that Peter never got charged for being inside the Damage Control storage facility in Homecoming
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there was no one who saw him there, and he was wearing a suit that hid his fingerprints.
Im sure they had security footage of him and i always wondered that too, but it totally makes sense when you know that Damage Control was part created by Stark Industries
Dude the effort in this video is insane! Great job
Mat Pat answered all my questions for No way Home and I appreciate the Movie even more now. Thank you film theorist. i won't forget this, even with a doctor strange's spell
It’s so crazy. We’ve seen the MCU Spider-Man character for years, ever since Civil War, right, but for some reason they’ve never revealed who their verson of Spider-Man even after three solo Spider-Man movies. I hope they reveal who is under the mask.
lol
Well they showed his face but it was just some random guy. I wanna know his name!
@@jsonr Have you even been paying attention this entire time???
His name is obviously Spider-Man!
@@SKai2609 I swear its man spider
I'm hoping there's a part 2 to this because I feel like the legal trouble Happy is in was also something dismissed so confusingly
Matt Murdock can sense if someone’s telling the truth and the charges against happy was about missing stark technology, fast forward to room helping the villains that machine is stark tech, soo Matt Murdock knew happy was lying and that’s why he didn’t help him with his charges bcs his thing is only helping innocent ppl
Film theory idea: could Garfield from the Garfield movie actually survive the fall from the building through the delivery truck and land on the boxes of lasagne on his back with out a scratch
Jj Simmonds: I trust my barber. Peter parker: are you sure about that?
Spider-Man/Peter still dealt with Ben's death, losing his (first?) crush because he had to take down her dad, his first real super hero gig was against avengers (even if Cap went light on him), almost had his friends and classmates killed simply because of his presence, lost 5 years of his life due to the snap, only to come back for... What a few mins to an hour before his mentor dies saving him (and the universe), then has his aunt die and chooses to let his friends and new gf forget their lives together..
I'd say he's been through a lot more than Tobey and Andrew Spidey's combined.
Obviously in terms of superhero stuff he’s had it harder but overall regular life and financially he’s had it the easiest. People say he’s had it the easiest because it’s natural to relate to characters who have struggled the same as you. I’ve never had to lose 5 years of life from a snap or fight an alien titan like Tom, but I have had to live poor like Tobey.
He experienced death at like 15 and then came back to life only to find out he'd lost 5 years, that's already more than the others
Did uncle Ben exist in the MCU
@@hetnixira2332 yepp
@@alenjoju2661 can you show me proof
Plus you can see the attack already started in the background of the video. Meaning there is also an obvious logical inconsistency in the idea that Peter is just now supposedly starting the attack if it already started.
These things are genuinely fascinating
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This is a really well done Theory. One of my favourites already; MatPat and his team did an amazing job as usual :)
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