The Rise Of “Exclusive” Support Characters | Genshin Impact
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Recent units in Genshin Impact, particularly supports, have brought with them movesets that are meant to be used in tandem with specific characters, elements and playstyles, contrasting day one support units that were meant to be more generalistic in nature. Today I wanted to discuss the presence of Exclusive Supports in Genshin Impact and whether they're good or bad for the game.
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They can always start doing Triple banners or dual banners with different 4 stars on them. Or for the love of god actually change up the standard banners rate up to something else. Its been stuck on mona and qiqi for what a year and a half now?
@@braddl9442 and Keqing. But bestie, hate to be the one that breaks it to you, that is not a rate up, that's just the cover image lmao 💀. Every 5star character and Weapon has the same chance of dropping.
As long as artifact RNG is still a thing, I don't see the point of investing in niche supports unless it is for a non-gameplay reason.
Hoyoverse could at least update the monthly purchaseable 4-star characters in the Paimon Shop so we can have constellations of newer 4-stars, to make them more competitive. Most newer 4-stars need constellations to decently rival the OG powerful 4-stars.
i would give anything to have the new 4 stars in the constellation shop. especially older players who already have the constellations they want on the og 12 4 stars
Maybe, they could just add all 4 stars there and lower the price for a brand new character you haven't gotten to 10 instead of like 35. But hey, that would just ruin the rush players get when they feel exclusive and lower sales for 4 stars. We can't have that, now can we? Too much viability and too good of a progression system.
Oh, and God forbid we buff any of the original 4 party members or give the trio and any wanderlust character a temporary third banner.
also, they could add more options for purchasable 4-stars, from the current 2 that we have to somewhere around 4 later down the line, as we are getting more and more 4-star characters but less ways for us to get them, we either get lucky on the standard banner (after winning a small lottery of getting the 4-star you want) or just wait for a banner to feature them, which can be god knows when.
Them just increasing the amount that we can buy from the Paimon Shop will be very much appreciated, and yes, as you said, having the newer 4-stars be available will be very nice and make it easier in getting them.
@@slavikcrusader96 just one teansy tiny itty bitty problem. PROFIT. Even if they could make more money with that, it would still take a tiny bit of effort to implement, time that could be spent making the system more predatory for higher profit margins.
@@monadolifesaver5613 To be fair, I don't really see how it takes effort, as its mostly some copy + paste of code and just do some changes to it to be implemented.
Also, this could increase profits as more people would be inclined on wishing (when they don't want anything from the banner) to get some constellations for newer 4-stars, and the thing is, it will have to be done sooner or later, as most players have a good collection of the older 4-stars but not the newer ones and there is just a lot of 4-stars that will be added that just won't fit in the re-run schedule due to the sheer amount and causing some people to just save and in turn, lose some profits.
Genshin biggest mistakes is Bennett.
And xinqui, and sucrose, and fischl, and xiangling.
Yep
genshins biggest mistake is having 5stars
Facts
@@anoe1519 Sucrose is fine.
Correction Vars, Raiden can't get buffs from Yunjin, her NAs while in burst are counted as burst damage, IIRC.
Its the same reason Beidou's burst is useless on bursting Ei.
Thanks Vars!
Raidou moment
This is one thing I don't get. How come Xq ult works with Raiden if Beidou ult cannot.
@@abhimanyuchatterjee2308 i guess it's bcs they function differently. xingqiu's rainswords hit even when an attack doesn't hit the enemy while with beidou, the character has to hit an enemy
@@abhimanyuchatterjee2308 Because Xingqiu triggers when you use a normal attack while Beidou when you hit one.
You're are doing normal attacks but you are not hitting them due to them being converted in the process.
I hope Mika is the physical support we have been waiting for. I mean, it makes perfect sense, he was a part of Eulas team and he is cryo. Mihoyo please make queen Eula good again
Eula never stopped being good! I usually clear the abyss with her. A Gorou or Faruzan for Eula would be amazing though. If Mika is on Eula’s rerun, that’ll be a good sign. Copium, but I hope he is a catalyst for ttds.
If he buffs my razor that'll be perfect
Physical in general needs a little push maybe with a new dps or support although physical supports don't necessarily have to be made for it as they usually just want shred and superconduct(maybe some atk buffs if you really wanna take it up a notch)
@@justsomeguywithahandlebarm2456 imo physical needs to die as an architype, eula simply was a mistake. we have unga bunga no reactions element and that is geo, physycal is mix between geo and actual elements and thats just bad as idea for game like genshin, if they delete physycak from game at all it would just make many charaters and gameplay better.
Physical as an element definitely need some help. Like physical Razor
A mix of powercreep and niche characters are inevitable, but that doesn't mean it can't be handled well. As the story progresses, no doubt we will be introduced to stronger opponents, so powercreep is unavoidable in some cases. I think you made a great point when talking about Nilou; Mihoyo didn't have to make her passive as a requirement but as a "bonus". It's what they did for Nahida.
The only reason Nahida gets a pass is because she is a 5* archon.
This hasn't happened though, it's kinda been the reverse. The old characters 4 stars are still more OP than most new characters, regardless of rarity.
Also the content has just straight up gotten easier, Sumeru is easier than Inazuma, despite more viable teams now due to the vast pool of characters.
Older 4 stars can come close/surpass to the 5 star counterparts with cons which I feel is fine. Newer 4 stars just seem straight up much weaker, than even the older 4 stars. I don't understand why because in my experience getting cons for 4 stars is straight up more expensive than for 5 stars if you're unlucky enough, so why is it bad if they're at least as on par with C0 5 stars but that's another topic entirely imo.
Back to the original topic, I feel like Genshin is trying hard not to power creep, perhaps a little too hard imo. I mean they had Dendro to balance out issues with previous characters, how will they do that with future content.. there is no other elements coming to "organically" rebalance meta/viability so idk, not unless we have new level caps with talent passives but I can't see that happening any time soon.
I find it interesting that after all this time even, Genshin still hasn't managed to fully find the sweet spot and that's fine, no one is perfect. It makes sense that there's some foibles here and there.
There's more than one way to deal with power progression though. You don't have to do creep. The game has several ways that you can make your characters more powerful, so raising the "difficulty" from chapter to chapter should be more about making sure that you're doing all of them more and more, rather than slapping "better" characters over the bigger numbers.
But in exchange, Nilou has the highest floor of damage of any team ever. If you're someone that just started playing and want to push abyss, she is one of the best if not the best option to pull for. She literally has the most F2P team ever
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks I like this take because yeah, this is what we get from avoiding power-creep as much as possible. Unlike any other gacha games. It's only natural that some are more versatile, powerful, and simply better at doing what they do than others.
The OG 4 stars has kits and cons that are too good for 4 stars. This is why Hoyo decided to made them as the basis of power-level for future characters. Inazuman 4 characters and the older "weaker" characters are "saved" by dendro. But frok this point on, I don't know what next version will do to improve characters kit since Hoyo doesn't kike to do this kind of thing
Another thing to mention is Genshin’s patterns of reruning character who will be great with new characters before the new characters banner. For example Cyno ragdolls so often that you either need to be great at dodging or have a shielder. However they rerun Zhongli, the best shielder in the game, the patch before Cyno.
Same thing happened to Nilou. She works amazingly with Kokomi but Kokomi was rerun the patch before Nilou’s release.
Don't forget after those two it was nahida which at that point if you spend money you have nilou's best support with a flex spot for another hydro or dendro( which you get for free with traveler)
Nilou was honestly sandwiched in between units great for her team.
Before she had Kokomi, and after she had Nahida. As someone who wanted to use Nilou because of the Sumeru Story giving her some hype moments and just generally liking dancer characters, it was hell trying to scrounge up freemogems for her, even bit the bullet to spend on Nahida
At least I have a maxed Barbara now
What do you mean by "ragdoll"?
@@hiimheretoo.1473 he has no interruption resistance in his burst mode so any heavy attack from an enemy knocks him in the air and stuns him for a bit
@@QuirrelSquad Am I not the only one thinking Cyno having no Interp res is kinda weird since it is _clearly_ written on his burst description that he has it.
From Genshin wiki:
_"Cyno's Elemental Mastery and _*_resistance to interruption_*_ will increase, and he gains immunity to Electro-Charged DMG"_
Since it looks like every element or playstyle is getting their own type of niche support, I fully welcome a dedicated physical support for my queen Eula. Be as niche as needed be. Just make physical team to be an actual team with proper buffer and off field physical damage dealer.
MIKA PLEASE
It's not only Eula, but Razor can also use one physical buffer
True. Using Bennett can be very boring in the long run. It's like having the same flavor over and over again. So the introduction of Yun Jin, Shenhe, etc. adds new flavor and makes the game more interesting. Though they cost primo, you do get what you spend for.
As much as I'm a Chongyun/Bennett main, I agree. Bennett can become pretty boring because he's just so good at any team, it's not surprising anymore. That's why I only use him if and only if Chongyun's on that team because my purpose is to make my Chongyun strong (and also because I'm a rarepair Fudanshi lol)
As a F2P who didn't understand the "the worst mistake in genshin is Bennett" comment this actually opened my eyes to a new point of view. I'm currently at AR30 and it took me 2 and a half banners of about 3-4 hours of play a day to get my first 5 star (Mona) and i cannot put it into words how stressful getting this single 5 star was, where I'm getting with this is, Bennett is oftentimes the only thing keeping new players with little time and money to invest from quitting the game, while also being a bore for more leveled up players for it's versatility making The OP 4 stars class of characters sort of a "necessary evil" witch makes the discussion on how necessary they really are genshin's biggest dilema (also sorry for the gigantic annoying mess of bad ponctuation and obvious commentary, i just rly wanted to express my point of view and in a way thank the original commenter for the insight :3 )
@@randomguy-lk8db I think "Bennett being their biggest mistake" is in the same vein of joke as "Nvidia's biggest mistake was making the GTX 1080ti too good". As for low AR players pretty much Noelle alone can carry you to AR50, Bennett is not a guarantee outside of paimon shop May & November, but Noelle is.
Post AR45 sure you can take your Xiangling, grab a Bennett and a Xingqiu from the shop and start building 3 of the "4 horseman" team in the Lvl 90 artifact domains.
@@lionelmarcussolaris2858 Oh hey, a fellow ch/bn main! Using Chongyun's e paired with Benny's e/q for that sweet melt damage! Not to mention, short af cooldowns (esp Ch's cons) and no energy issues.
My biggest problem with exclusive supports is that they give them glaring weaknesses/problems that are unnecessary and just work to restrict them.
One classic example is just giving a character an 80 cost burst. Just by doing that, you're reducing them to either needing a ton of ER (thus losing effectiveness because you're forced into having to use Favonius weapons) or needing a battery.
A new one that they are doing now is giving characters special ICD. Collei and Dori are victims of it. Collei would actually be rather nice if her dendro application was better, since she'd be like a DMC without that many energy issues but can deal more damage. Dori would apply a ton of electro meaning she'd be really useful in Aggravate.
Another issue is constellations. You're never going to get many of them, and many are clunky or incomplete at C0. The only supports that i can think of the top of my head are Yunjin and Gorou, who are complete at C0 but scale great with constellations. Meanwhile Candice needs her C1 to even function because her duration is too short.
Another problem that may arise is overlap with characters. Candice is basically just a worse Yunjin in every way. There is nothing but her element and that she's actively worse that is different. They even have a counter. Sara is simply speaking a worse Bennett with no other things to difference herself except her C6, she's even outclassed by Lisa unless she has it.
Nilou's passive only working with Dendro and Hydro characters is only to make her teams stricter and kind of need both Nahida and Kokomi to work a lot better than with the F2P options. You can't use fridge, you can't use Electro-charged to help you with seeds, you can't use an Anemo to group.
Candace can be better if you fight multiple enemies while yunjin is good for single enemy
@@idkwhattowrite3244 This is only true if you don't have Yunjin's C2 which gives a 15% Damage bonus which is basically almost half of Candice's entire kit, and by that point you'd need to math it out. I'm confident that even if you are against multiple enemies, Candice will still come as worse in most situations.
Also, this applies to ONLY Ayato. And even then his normal attack teams are also not exactly his actually good teams since he's way better as a driver for reactions considering he has the perfect amount of Hydro. It's basically a niche in a niche, and by that point you're better off just using Yunjin who's a generalist within that niche.
I have no idea what they were doing with Dori. Like Kuki was able to be very good and viable but then they turn to Dori give her ICD that makes her not very good.
I really wonder how Faruzan will turn out and for who she works with. Wanderer is implied to want reactions, gaining various bonuses that way but I think 2 anemos can work. What I fear is that, she looks like another Sara. They nerfed her energy regeneration and gave her an 80 cost but made her base attack based to buff. So what was the idea? Are they afraid she'll become better than Bennett both only for anemo dps? Which are two characters, limited 5 stars at that unless you run c6 kazuha but even then, if you have enough money to c6 him I think you can clear anything.
I hope wanderer will be good though :(
hi! nilou haver here, about that last bit, you really dont need kokomi/nahida to make it work. yes, those units are comfy and nice but barbara dendro mc and collei do work just fine with her, even clearing abyss 12 halves in just 30-40 seconds without fully invested builds (im lazy), i pulled for nilou cause i like her and then levelled barbara & collei you dont even have to have those units built prior. i agree with your comments on the other units though :D
@@straawberryfieldsforever the way it looks right now, Xiao will have to funnel his energy to her, which is just ridiculous
There is a problem of not adding more people in the Permanent pool, it makes more and more characters unaccessible why do you think Blue fates have such low value to us
Easy fix, change the standard banner to cycle rate ups of the OG 5 stars. That way if im new and want to pull jean, wait for her banner and pull, and 50/50 on standard always results in an OG 5star.
Or they could just...lower the cost for blue fates
@@callmerahrah123 I think a path would be better so that people can pick what they want rather than wait months for the rate up to come round.
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks even better!
they cant add any limited 5 stars to standard in any form because theyve stated ingame that theyre limited, adding them to standard would make them permanent characters and would be false advertising, the only way around this is if they change the wording on new characters or add a rotation to standard
I agree Shenhe is very underrated
She doesn’t have the limiting passive like Nilou or Gorou, and she is incredibly easy to put in any freeze team.
I wanted her but Yae much more
However I only have Rosaria and Chonyun for cryo characters 😶
@@lunasquib Shenhe will probably rerun in 3.4 lantern rite
She underrated cause no one wants to run her on teams besides Cryo. And why would you lol
I would have considered wishing for Shenhe if she would have benefited my account. But my Ayaka freeze team with Kazuha, Kokomi and Kaeya could already clear the abyss with ease and I had no other team for her.
@@benjamindover634 Shenhe + Ayaka + Kazuha + hydro/cryo already replaced Morgana and is the strongest cryo comp
exclusive supports are probably one of the biggest reason mihoyo has kept me playing genshin, team building just feels so much more fun and interesting compared to many other gacha games with powercreep, the fact that pvp doesn't exist yet just makes it even better as you don't have to focus meta and be able to build literally whoever you want
i misread it as the biggest reason it kept you from playing genshin
agreed!
signed, someone who built her C4 kaeya because she fell in love with shenhe
@@CoolSuperBear Just to play the devil's advocate, what if they introduced a permanent PvP mode that did not have any rewards attached? Let's say, for example, a friendly PvP mode? (i.e.: you can issue friendly PvP requests to your friends)
@@jiazezhang3462 It could be interesting but I don't think mihoyo would implement a new mechanic without rewards, and even if they do the players who are invested in this gameplay would ask for it so I think that ultimately it would end bad.
@@CoolSuperBear haha I completely agree with that
Dedicated supports are great, they make our mono element teams really fun and viable for a game who's entire combat is based around elemental reactions (save for Geo) but due to them only making dedicated supports, who have weak multipliers or are only to fulfill a certain roll (as compared to earlier characters who could cover way more bases) it feels terrible overall.
They should throw in a few strong multipurpose ones in between dedicated supports and that'd prolly help balance the reaction to each character as well as teams for ppl
The main problem of dedicated support to me is that, because of their only use as support and so weak multipliers as a character, they feel terrible to play outside of their niche
I mean- I dont necessarily want to be meta and would enjoy taking my gorou out outside of a mono geo without him only being here as pet decoration for example, or being able to use my candace auto attacks without them feeling extremely lame because of their scalings..
Nothing too OP to ask I think, but to be able to play my beloved characters in more than an only and unique playstyle without feeling like it's wrong
3:34 Tell that to Xinqui having his Hydro application reduced by 60% in version 1.1 ! He used to apply 60 Units of Hydro aura throughout his burst but they reduced that to 24
He was so broken that they needed to nerf him, yet he's still broken
@@zyra4732 Truly the Hydro Archon, Focalors gonna have a real hard time
My boy is a little bit overtuned lol.
they nerf xinqiu so they may release hydro archon that can apply 60 U. such cunning move I guess.
@@azeto2797 I'm hoping she becomes the new bis for freeze
9:12 I'm a Razor main and i was tired to use the physical build that i decided to try Razor hyperbloom with Nahida and my Razor became so dam strong that i couldn't believe it
Yea Razor is no longer a physical character lol, he is a EM based electro reactor in dendro teams
Razor is basically a Budget Cyno now. Not that it's a problem but I still wish we have better options for Phys Razor.
Hyperbloom razor with Candace hydro infusion LMAO. That would be a funny sight.... now I wanna try it haha
And even more fun with Burgeon+Overloaded
(But only can do if you unlocked C6 Bennett)
Nahida + C6 Bennett + Xingqiu + Razor
I just love the recent release of elemental skill centric characters. Starting from Kuki, and with the exception of 3.1, all new characters have most of their power in their skills. This makes exploring with them much easier because I'm not worried about not being effective; especially since I keep my characters at 70-80/80 in WL 8, allowing me to sometimes encounter an actual hard fight where my burst will be needed.
I actually like nilou's kit cuz the concept of "if your party fulfills x requirement you'll receive special buffs" is really good for reactions that are kinda cope. like bloom by itself without nilou is pretty bad, you'd much rather use hyperbloom or burgeon. but with nilou bloom becomes viable, and is situationally very, very strong. now imagine a support that would shred enemy def or smth if the party was composed of cryo and electro characters. that could make physical dmg dealers way more viable. imagine a character who modified crystalize to deal dmg with 2 geo and 2 same-element characters. this kind of mechanic can create new and interesting team comps, which would be great imo
Kuki isn’t that niche of a unit though. Yes, her best teams are dendro ones, but she’s perfectly functional in physical teams, some taser teams and as a healer option for triple geo Itto team.
I use dori in that team more particles and easier rotations imo
Her C2 is basically endless heal and electro status. 15 sec without CD.
@@blomgrumthebossoftheriot4944 I personally prefer Kuki as electro healer, because her healing isn't tied to burst and area. But both work
I don't understand why they don't make Klee a support. As in her burst becomes a pyro attack applicator like xinqiu.
Edit: I know there is Thoma and xiangli but:
1) Klee is a 5star with 5star damage.
2) It takes almost no effort to make that change. They wouldn't need to rework her.
3) Klee would be relevant again. Her biggest flaw is her stamina and low range, so since she is short she runs more and being a mage her stamina disappears in an instant. Klee support would still be a strong DPS, but her flaws are not that bad since you can use her burst with another dps.
4) We already have burgeon, so I don't think she would be that op.
Klee would've been so good too and I've often wonder why they didn't make her burst an off field pyro applicator, a huge missed opportunity that would have made her worth an actual 5 star character.
The trio of “Dear God what happened to you” in Pyro; Xinyan, Amber, and Klee 😢
@@fimbulvetr6129 dieluck
Well we have Thoma as an off field aplicator but he sadly sux
I don't really understand this mindset because like we already have one. Her name is Xiangling.
I don’t think Nilou suffers the same problem that Shenhe does. If you really want to play Nilou in the abyss, you don’t necessarily need any other 5 stars. Heck, even gacha 4 stars are not necessary: just bring DMC, Barbara and Collei with her and she’ll 36* the abyss. Yes, this team might struggle in single target and is not the most comfortable/efficient in general compared to nahida/yelan/kokomi variant, but it’s still enough to 36* even this abyss and to be a fun team, I’ve tested it myself. Her f2p team does wonders in AoE and abyss usually has 1 side boss-free, not to mention how easy it is to build a Nilou team from scratch. But I’ve seen people clear both sides of this abyss without 5 star weapons or constellations and without Nahida/Yelan, so she’ll do fine even is single target situations, she might not be the best pick there, obviously, but who cares if you still get the same 36*. So yeah, if you want to play Nilou, you just need to pull her, no prerequisites
bro these past abysses are a specifically made to sell nilou. put her in an abyss with hillichurl shooters and you’ll see the difference. she’s an aoe unit that can’t bring a grouper and that’s really gonna suck when the enemies don’t all just walk towards you
@@mayguardian1 hilichurls shooters. Lmao
Nilou would clap with ease.
@@mayguardian1 well regardless, according to statistics, 2 of her teams are top 5 in usage rage for the past 2 abyss phases and 3 in the top 10.
I guarantee you, it's simply not about the abyss being tailored to her, it's more about her new game play that isn't ult reliant. Nilou is a breath of fresh air for the veterans (at least that's what most of them say), which is why you see cyno teams not in the top spots despite the blessing for abyss also being tailored to him.
@@mayguardian1 thunder manifestation does nothing but run from me all the time and yet Nilou team is one of the most comfortable picks for this boss. Hilichurl shooters, treasure hoarders etc are too fragile to be a problem for Nilou. And bountiful cores have huge AoE. Your argument may sound logical on paper, but I encourage you to see how she works for yourself. It blew me away how fun and effective she is, not to mention how little I invested in her team
@@jaffrry5120 Cyno teams aren't in the top spots because he simply sucks lol. He has to compete against Raiden (which has more resistance than him, has more utility than him, needs less setup and commitment than him) and Keqing (which is a standard 5* so most people probably has cons on her, can I-frame with her 40 cost burst every few seconds, doesn't need any skill timings unlike Cyno's golden eye, can instantly jump around with her E). Even if we're talking about Aggravate, both Raiden and Keqing deal more individual hits than Cyno so both of them can deal more instances of Aggravate
I can still see room for more niche playstyles.
-EM scaling dendro shielder
-Physical damage buffer
-Off field pyro applicator with good range (like xingqui)
-Burning dps (maybe Dehya)
-Shatter dps (maybe the first hydro claymore user)
Etc
It'll be interesting to see where genshin goes from here.
isn’t yunjin a physical dmg buffer?
@idlevelvets nope she is a normal attack buffer
A shatter dps would be a chongyun clone
your're right. also i often think that it would be nice to see a grouping character that's not anemo, dunno maybe some hydro support that's doing whirlpool animation or something? would be pretty cool for dendro reactions, since anemo doesn't react with it
was rooting for kokomi since day 1, proud of my girl and shenhe is absolutely crazy! I had friends that used to hate on her but are now waiting for her rerun as we speak
You writing this comment for three month under every video. Maybe get a life?
Hot take, but I would rather for these niche characters to only be 4 stars then 5 stars, since I don't want to pull for a 5 star that will only work in one specific team, that just feels like a waste of a 5 star character.
Edit: And no Hu Tao, Itto, Yoimiya, Ayaka or some other characters like them are *not* niche characters, since you can put them on different team comps and they will most likely work.
Then don't pull them?
@@HailAzathoththat is what they are saying..
nah, considering what they did with sara, gorou, i dont want aiming for c6 for newer 4 star. keep in mind that they need to be c6 to be atleast better than some substitute character of their version. shenhe is done right, shes atleast more or less the same like rosaria c6. i think its better to release niche 5star supports. luxury pull or not, it all depends because we still have functional 4 stars to substitute, but i wouldn’t aim for a 4 star.
But we already have 5 star main DPS units who really only work in one specific team: Hu Tao vape, Yoimiya vape, Ayaka freeze, Itto mono geo etc. so are you saying pulling for those are a waste of a 5 star too?
@@peeposauce5032 Hu Tao and Ayaka works because Hu Tao is broken in general and Freeze is broken in general. Itto works because most Geo units are usually only there for damage and don't really bother with reactions. Yoimiya overload also exists because XQ can't keep up with Yoimiya's range and you need Yelan for Yoivape, so Raiden/FIschl is an alternative
Hoping for a future exclusive geo support that creates a different geo reaction, it would be so cool if they could go the avatar way of creating a char that can produce metal.
I think it's really smart. It promotes trying new playstyles, and I really appreciate that; it keeps combat feeling fresh, and you can say "but the original characters are stronger," and while you might be right, _are you not bored of doing the same thing over and over again?_
Getting shenhe without ayaka, ganyu or eula is completely valid since characters like chongyun exist who can turn pretty much any dps into a cryo dps
Eula barely benefits from shenhe
@@lstsoul4376 I'm quoting the video, I don't have shenhe or eula so I wouldn't know but my point is there are 4* dps or characters who augment and change anothers play style and they can benefit in some way from the exclusive supports
@@lstsoul4376 She does, her burst is a 15%-ish Cryo and Physical resistance decrease, it has good Cryo application plus a decent battery with Favonius, not optimal but just because Eula's damage is Physical doesn't mean she barely benefits from Shenhe's utility.
@@salceds might as well use rosaria in this case
@@lstsoul4376 only at C6 though
As Shenhe wanter I relate to this I don’t know when she’s returning and best case I can only prepare for C0 unless I’m willing the high money risk.
c0 Shenhe is amazing already! I mainly play Ayaka with her and the support is good enough to delete most enemies in a short time!
Probably 3.4
Yunjin and Shenhe are two examples of niche supports done right, they excel at one thing by making more appeasing and fun.
Nilou is how it’s done wrong, bloom is fun, but having access to Hyperbloom and Burgeon is nice too
She can access them. That's why her passive is so restrictive on teammate elements. If that requirement wasn't a thing, she'd only make bountiful cores and you couldn't play her in other stuff.
I think one puzzle piece that is gonna appear is a “whirlpool”(gather) hydro character to come support nilou
I don't think it's likely to ever happen, hoyo seems pretty determined on keeping CC for Anemo chars.
11:20 raidens attack doesn't count as normal attack damage, it counts as burst attack damage
Also yunjin works with Noelle
This was a really helpful video ! Been really needing updated support comparison videos so loved this. Subbing for more! 🙂
I want to add something that I don't know if anyone has already said but I just paused the video at 12:10 when you mentioned Shenhe.
I am actually one of those people who love her to the point of believing she's my favourite but I don't have Ganyu, Ayaka or Eula. Not because I wasn't there for them tho, but because I don't like those characters. Getting Shenhe and wanting to use her so badly actually encouraged me to find other ways and I'm now a proud Kaeya freeze team owner.
It's true it's not the ideal, most powerful team; but you've said many times this game isn't difficult enough to require that. So I think that ES can also encourage people who love them to try characters they would never have, if only to make them work.
Your dedication is inspirational! I joined the game for Shenhe, and then struggled with the exact problem that support characters aren't playable on their own -- and bit the bullet and put together an Ayaka-Shenhe team even though I really dislike Ayaka as a character, because I wanted to get to play my Shenhe as much as possible. I'm not a fan of Ayaka or Ganyu, so in the future maybe I'll follow your example and build a Kaeya freeze team instead :)
@@aurelia2132 that's amazing!!! I run them with Xingqiu and Venti and it's a great team for groups of enemies in the overworld and anything not cryo
I'd love for there to be a physical support next year! Eula carried me since I started playing in 2.1, she was my 2nd 5-star! Though she does still destroy almost everything with a Miko - Yun Jin - Zhongli team 😆
I feel like ES units just promote more fun/suboptimal build ideas, like how Kuki and QiQi’s Skills can apply off field superconduct for DPS Xinyan, or how Sucrose’s EM buff can bolster Chongyun Shatter, to me its more about having multiple artifact sets for one character to make the most of what characters you DO have, cuz when you’re F2P/a light spender you wont even have all the 4*s much less 5, especially if you take a break from the game longer than one patch
Your videos are very well thought out, concise, and to the point with no forced interjection or rambling about. Especially your "Why no one/everyone plays" series. I use the videos a lot to inform myself on how to make my personal picks better like heizou or chongyun because i think you understand very well that the appeal of genshin clearly isnt JUST the combat.
And then the video after this happened lol
I am a relatively new player. It's really frustrating just how little resin we get. I have all these characters that I just cannot use because it would cost too much to invest in them.
Start with leveling them up first. That'll help with newer stats. Then move to books and talents before artifacts. And you're allowed to not build therm in a single day.
Start with leveling them up first. That'll help with newer stats. Then move to books and talents before artifacts. And you're allowed to not build therm in a single day.
Character upgrade materials > talent > weapon upgrade materials > Artifacts. For starter 50-60 Crit rate without any Crit damage is alright. Don't over invest on a single character.
Don't worry it gets easier once you have 2 teams. I started out with (Yanfei90, Xingxiu70, Sucrose 80,Noelle 90) and (Keqing90, Barbara70, Xiangling 70, Bennett70)
Now I have all 5 stars except Zhongli, Childe, Yae, Shenhe and Kazuha. It requires good resource management though
Just use Dendro. You only need EM and ER, trying to build the old team like National is hell for new player cause you need 30+ CV to deal any noteworthy damage and you don't have much resin to use
i like 5* ES, because if i like them, it means i can build a team around them without sacrificing dmg. I pulled shenhe, best decision i've ever made for my freeze team. I pulled nilou, i was a bit worried at first bc i didnt really feel like building dendro characters since i never use electro but my nilou/nahida team is my favourite to play rn. it's rlly satisfying, but for ES 4* ... excepy for gorou and yunjin, idrk about that. i raised candace to 90 with 9/9/9 talents and idk where to slot her without losing dmg. same for layla, i'd like to use her in freeze but idk how to do it without sacrificing a huge part of my dmg (shenhe) or CC (venti/kokomi). when shenhe got released and i had to replace diona in my freeze team, i didnt think about it twice, but it would be unthinkable to replace shenhe rn. as i've said many times before, i still clear and 36* without bennett kazuha raiden or zhongli, but i still dont know where to slot all those new 4* supports
what im getting at is, i get f2p problems or wtv but i still prefer 5* ES because it feels better replacing a 4* for a 5*/creating a team around a 5* that will probably perform better than having 9 billion 4*s to end up not knowing where to put them & with 80% of them unbuilt
but anyways, it's very clear now that genshin will release more characters that dont scale on atk, and given that the next region is fontaine and hydro started heavily scaling on hp to the point atk doesnt even do anything (unlike hu tao or itto), bennett will also not be considered as all rounded as before. he doesnt even have his place in most dendro team except for burning melt ganyu rn. i just want a hp buffer at this point and i wish c4 yelan wasnt the only person who could do that. candace couldve fit that role and avoid overlaping with yun jin, making her a hp gorou, and she would've been so good
Me who strickly uses Chongyun and Xinqui together for... Syngergy reasons: "Interesting..."
(it is kinda fun though to pull a lot of enemies in with Kazuha and then keep freeze breaking the enetire group mid air)
Also, my brain just realized how Gorou and Yun Jin are supports perfectly crafted for Noelle...
Oh wow, didn't expect you to put on sick Tellius music in the background
I love having the possibility to diversify the play-style of my comps. I’m currently building Nilou Bloom, Mono Geo Itto, and Raiden HC, and it’s like breathing some fresh air in Teyvat (I play since 1.1, so I got pretty used to the repetitive play styles I had before).
Honestly building ES units slightly outside their niche is pretty fun and can make fun interesting comps because their scaling had to be over tuned in some aspect.
Some people complained how HyV usually creates the problems and sells the solution with character, yet I kinda like this approach to these issues. We aren't close to it, but there will come a moment where even all niches will have their BiS characters, and every character will have their "elemental variation" and "weapon variation" such as Tighnari with a similar kit to Ganyu or Yelan with a similar kit to Xingqiu and Scaramouche which combines the mobility of Kazuha and Venti with the DPS style of Heizou, although with more range. Even Geo will probably receive a buff if they find a character whom uses crystalize shields for something decent. So there will be a need to create new problems, new "puzzles".
Geo is the best example I think. No matter how HyV chooses to buff Geo, there will be more problems which future characters will solve. Say for example there's a new Geo support with different, powerful buffs based on different crystalize shields, kinda like Nahida or Dendro Traveler, finally making these reactions useful again. They will probably be a Yun Jin variant which buffs other types of attack, especially elemental ones, while also reinforcing shields. You won't be using them on mono-geo, but if they don't apply geo often, we will need geo units with them regardless.
Now we could have a Itto-style Geo DPS or some Geo Heizou that doesn't need mono-geo teams and there might be a future enemy that has powerful, Fatui-like shields but also a Geo armor so they need Geo and other elemental units to work, and we require either Pyro, Cryo, Electro or Hydro characters on team, since only they give crystallize.
We could also have characters that buff "non-existent" reactions. For example, a Fridge Support. Cryo and Dendro don't react, but Hydro reacts with both, freezing and creating bloom cores, and freezing helps with the CC that Bloom sometimes need. When I played Ayaka Freeze, I had this timing conundrum in applying Dendro and Cryo at the same time, then applying Hydro fast enough. Nahida helps in that regard since her E can be triggered by Cryo reactions, not just Dendro ones, but I think a Fridge Support needs to be either Anemo to swirl cryo and hydro, maybe with a delay on hydro. In a way she buffed Fridge, and buffed Burning+Melt. Taking this Idea further, we could have Overvape supports, supports that buff both Anemo and Dendro since the former, while not reacting with the latter, can swirl the other elements that react with Dendro, while giving the CC which helps with Bloom. They too would create new problems for future characters to solve.
AS for a Xinyan support, if they just changed her C6 to give her Full DEF scale instead of just 50%, which I probably think they feared doing it back in 1.1, she wouldn't be as useless. However, a Phys Support would be best if they were a cryo character, to apply superconduct. I think a Phys support would be more a Superconduct/Shatter support, so a Cryo character would be best for this support in particular. Once again, said character creates new problems, as anyone who's not Electro like Razor can't trigger Superconduct so this character might need an electro applicator, and for Shatter there would be a need for a Hydro applicator and a Claymore user(Xinyan is, so she gets the support, and her Pyro application isn't that constant to mess with reactions), or both( Hydro Archon maybe?). This Superconduct/Shatter support character could even be our first Cryo Catalyst in the game.
Yea creating new characters to buff old characters, enable new comps, create more possibilities, genshin is really good at that.
That last line, i was thinking another variant where there will be a cryo catalyst that will do physical NAs, doing physical dps attacks while being a catalyst user. It's been in my head for awhile and we haven't had our first cryo catalyst for 2 years
Ever since players developed the concept of DPS Barbara back in 1.0, I’ve come to believe that any unit can be DPS if you try hard enough
Congrats with 100k!!!🎉🎉🎉
atp I am 90% sure that Dehya will be a specialize burngeon dps
In a perfect world she is the next yelan as 5star xl ☹️☹️
Doubt it since nilou's hyrdo cores are basically just burgeon
Or maybe she'll change burning like Nilou changes bloom
Lol poor Xinyan. One day we will rise!! ................
... one .... day
some months ago i just realize that xinyan burst deal phys damage🤣🤣, after that i have fun playing her as burst sub dps using EoSF in my eula double cryo pyro with bennett and rosaria. well, need to change my eula with ER sand tho.
(you already mentioned the music volume and I have to say that makes me so happy because a lot of people don't really care about audio issues like this T_T a lot of the subtitles were kinda funny tho.) Anyway I'm a big fan of exclusive supports as they can serve both collectors and meta chasers to scratch their itches. I'm more of the former, and one of those "attached to character" players too, so I personally don't really care if they are overtuned/stronger than general supports as long as they work. And despite all the dunking Thoma gets, Genshin is still easy enough that "it works" is good enough to play the game and I personally like using him and his mechanics. I actively like that he's not a One-Button-Press-Panic-Room like Zhongli... And I think in part it's part of the game design, maybe even gameplay loop, to build up more than just two teams (if so inclined ofc). For me it works perfectly, because I care more about the process than the results. It gives me joy to be able to switch to other characters in most situations without having to move artifacts or weapons. Exclusive supports feed into that loop pretty well, since you most likely get a reason to build up another character with them too. I get how it is not everyone's idea of fun in this game though.
i liked the fact mihoyo was making es units to encourage different playstyles up until nilou was released for other es units u could try and make some use out of them if you didn't have the exact characters senhe could be paired with chongyun and let you use the character of other elements in your party gorou and yunjin still provide buffs even if they aren't the best but nilou is very restrictive with her needing a party of only hydro and dendro characters if her passive gave at least have the effect when there is dendro unit in a party it would allow her to still function but not at her best
I want to use Gorou but it’s hard with the geo specific stuff.
I use hu tao then xiao then diona and then Bennett.
I would have loved to use Gorou because he’s like a puppy badbutt war general! It’s just cute and funny to me.
> There's a lot more emphasis on playing a character because you have a personal attachment to them, not because it gives you the best results. That doesn't mean players don't care about character strength.
I couldn't care less about Bennett, Xingqiu and Xiangling, and if I have the chance of not using them at all I would, yet many feel a bit forced to level them up because they see them as their only way to win something. I'm sure there are some people who like those big 3, but I willing to bet that their numbers are few in comparison to those who use them because they're OP.
It would be interesting if there was weapon specific buffers like catalyst or claymore attack speed buff for example.
Honkai tends to release several ES units as "SP" Battlesuits, which are easy to obtain through an alternate currency shop. (At least for their 4*-equivalent ones.) This makes acquiring those niche units very painless, allowing for a wider range of compositional decisions due to their availability.
nilou's isn't as restricted by the presence of other characters in your account as she looks, she can perform very well with just barbara, Dendro mc and collei with ease,and all of them are obtainable without having to pull a single time ,naturally 5stars remplacing these will improve the team's output but right as it is she can definitely get stuff done with just the freebies since the damage is purely reacion based
Yeah, I couldn’t agree more. I think theorycrafters underestimate her f2p team. Zajeff, for example, says that you absolutely need Nahida and kokomi for the team to be really good and comfortable, but after testing Nilou in multiple abyss cycles (not just in “hers”, because zajeff keeps telling people that she was only good because that cycle was there to sell Nilou), I can confidently say that the f2p team slaps. And I didn’t even build my Collei/Barbara properly. And judging by her usage rate in the latest abyss, which is really high, I think Genshin CCs underestimate her quite a bit
@@Andrewkin77 zajeff is just tries to make every single character in the game feel bad to pull to some extent,i stopped following his content roughly 3 weeks after i discovered him because he started to make the game feels less fun that it is by trying to downplay so many aspects of the newer characters, he seem to even hold a particular bias toward nilou for some reason, while most others,if not all the other content creators, pays way more attention to vaporise nilou , which is playable but downright memeing when childe and ayato exist in the game
@@Andrewkin77 zajeff and tenten are so stuck in their ways and arrogant that they refuse to admit when their wrong about certain units. And hold grudges against those units when they are wrong about them. Like Nilou with Zajeff or Raiden with tenten. Pretty much if it isn't national or a team or unit that they feel like they recommended first, they try to crap on it.
@@jy1178 their fanbase are the bigger problem. They'll take their statements as bible and preach them to other players
NOPE
About nilou not being broken, she kinda is, thats why that guy got 36* in 6 days. And about having no cryo units to use shenhe, people always forget about kaeya :(
i like that genshin is adding variety to supports! since getting kokomi, i rarely use bennett and since getting yelan i barely use xingqiu
Looking forward to see how Mika fits and contributes as an ES character for the likes of Eula.
In the end, all of this doesnt matter if enemies just die in 1 shot, no matter what character you use
"Or Kazuha who's elemental DMG boost works with everyone that is not Eula"
Or Xiao, or Heizou, or Ningguang, or Itto, or Razor, or Noelle, or Tighnari, or Nahida, or every Anemo/Geo/Dendro unit.
He still works with them though as a non-swirl support because he has good Crowd Control although that's just underutilizing him as well. But then who am I to judge? Some people just like making teams according to Lore or ships (Like me lol).
@@lionelmarcussolaris2858
1- Then if that were the case, he works with Eula, since she benefits from CC and enemies being bunched up
2- Vars specifically said "who's elemental DMG boost" not the character itself, he refered to that part of his kit specifically, so my argument is still correct
I built nulou as a vaporize dps, she does about 60k constantly with burst and 20-30k with infusion on her skill
i personally love exclusive supports, its nice to know that i have like 6 meta defining teams that use completely different characters, that i dont have to worry when both sides need bennett. this became a bigger problem in the most recent abyss, that broke my teams and made me run bennett with hyperbloom and freeze scara
I am enjoying the niche-type gameplay characters like Nilou and the elemental exclusive supports despite the issues that can come with them. They make many interesting team compositions possible and with the lack of endgame, I believe that is exactly what we need to keep busy in this game. Abyss is usually a good test of how good weird teams can be and it gives a purpose to having a large roster of characters.
Aww should've waited for faruzan for this vid
I greatly enjoy exclusive supports cause they make it easier for me to choose which characters I spend my primos on. For example, when 3.1 came out, I was torn between Cyno and Nilou, but when I learned that Cyno was meant for aggravate and Nilou was for bloom, it was easy for me to choose Nilou simply because I have a lot of hydro characters. Moving forward, I was easily able to decide pulling for Nahida rather than wait for Scaramouche because Nahida fits my Nilou team and Scaramouche doesn't. Simply put, ES units allow me to spend my primos wisely.
Also, I always have the urge to raise all the characters I have but I know that's not possible. ES units give me a clearer plan on who to raise rather than a vague "maybe I'll use this character" mentality.
I love the concept of ES Units. There's only a few characters I want to use in Genshin - and having the freedom of choice is extremely important to me in character-based games. So this new system of support character balance has been awesome for me, so I can choose between a bunch of supports depending on which character I like best for their looks, VFX, story and more.
9:09 this aged well
Dedicated support are great.
Wants to introduce new play-style around a reaction? Dedicated support for said reaction.
Wants to buff an old characters? Dedicated support that make their niche shine.
Wants to make another buffer like Bennet but don’t want everythings to be a Bennet clone? Dedicated support with some niche to promote new team comps other than Bennet + an anemo with VV.
So no, 1 Bennet is enough, maybe a 5* version much later in the game runtime is fine but anyone knows what they’re saying won’t ask for any “universal” character anytime soon.
Honestly, I run Nilou with Nahida, Kokomi amd Xingqiu and its such a game changer, her bountiful cores are absolute monsters and wipes entire floors without doing too much work, but realistically, this is a expensive thing to accomplish, getting all the five stars is complicated and pricey
congrats on 100k subs!!!
Getting the 4 star you want is rare, I recently collected 4 cons for my Xiao and only got 3 Yaoyao's. At least you know you'll get the 5 star.
I wish you could just pick maybe three specific 4 star characters in the standard banner once a day with Primogems, it’ll be similar to the star glitter shop but cheaper
I'm fine with exclusive supports, I just think they shouldn't be 5 stars like Nilou and Shenhe.
I also want to talk abt bosses that require specific elements or weapon times and how they’ve increased with the new dendro cube and the big desert machine. I’ve felt powercreep in this abyss for the first time. Usually i can easily 36 star with my few well built characters and their supports but none of my characters are super meta. such as xiao, yoi and eula which are my 3 mains. But i had a tough time this abyss and couldn’t 36 star with 2 teams i had to change teams for chamber 3. I think my strategy of hyper investing in a specific character will be hard soon 🔜
i like niche four stars like yun jin, shinobu, and gorou considering how easy it is to acquire their constellations over a long enough timeline. they're cheap to build so i enjoy using them to experiment more. i tend to skip the banners for 5 star ES units tho.
I cant wait to try out all my team comps with Nilou!
My options:Nahida, Tinghari, Traveler, Collei, Barbara, Kokomi.
Me:😐
Which is perfectly fine in clearing you really don't have any issues with that
It was known from the beta that Nilou was tied to dendro/hydro for her bloom team.
Also, you have Ayato, childe and Yelan as possible options. 🙃
@@jy1178 You need your second hydro to be a healer tho, especially due to bloom cores so until we have a dendro healer if you wanna exclude Barbara or Kokomi
@@zukodude487987 Yeah Barb or Koko is a must until then, luckily you can just build them full em or a mix between em and hp and they are healers who do massive damage
well tbh compared to other 5 stars that had been release for decides nilou and the dendro elements are still very new you’ll get more options in the future eventually
I'm just sad Gorou is useless outside of Mono-Geo/mostly Geo cuz he's the only Geo unit I actually have somewhat built; and that's purely because I actually like his character.
I wanted him to pair well with Kokomi as that would just Make Sense in my mind. He's her General, so the fact that they don't have any sort of real resonance together when on the same team is kind of a bummer imo! 😕
I still have him ascended to 70-80 in case I ever get a 5* Geo and need him; and just to have on my team for fun. But he's honestly built more like a Sub-DPS than a support because he can't actually offer any buffs other than Shields gained from crystallize.
So basically the only way I can utilize Gorou on my account is if I just ignore his design entirely outside of scaling his talents properly. Which is sad cuz again, I actually love his character; but there's no actual utility in using him as he was designed unless I spend all my resin and resources building maybe Ninnguang, Noelle and YunJin. But since Geo isn't really viable for my account (all my parties are elemental reaction based) I don't have any of them built. 🙃
Poor Gorou is just kinda in the party with Kokomi and Yae doing his best, but he will likely never see a true boss fight or abyss floor on my account.
I think this direction is great and better than straight up power creep, Nilou is also Fine because she can have a nice team even with free units (dendro MC barbara and Coilei) so if you get her she will ALWAYS have a team.
I hope they release a support who super buffs charge shots (and makes Amber OP on that team)
I'm also fine with heavy team restrictions, except for breaking shields in the spiral abyss, Nilou teams suffer too much vs Cryo shield enemies as both hydro and dendro don't do much vs Cryo.
I was playing Epic Seven while watching this and when you used the clip of Lua's ulti I got very confused for a moment as I have her on my current team, so it was showing on both monitors.
Shenhe was the first 5 star character that I got from pulling in an event banner, this was at the time that I've just started really playing Genshin and I was just a noob at the game, have no idea how elemental reactions work, didn't even bother checking guides, and etc. I was just enamored at Shenhe's design that I wanted to have her in my team. In the first few months I made her my main DPS and was thoroughly enjoying her but now she's my cryo buffer and will still hold a place in my heart as my first 5 star ♥️
I like the idea of 4* ES units but not 5* , someone like shenhe is technically an upgrade but not enough imo , the quill stack mechanic is like maybe 5/20 of ayakas burst hits and maybe 2 ganyu charged shots , I don't see that upgrade worth 75-160 wishes and even more so not that much of an upgrade over Rosaria , it also leads you into a tough spot because shenhe replaces your diona slot on freeze so you're basically forced to replace your hydro app for a koko or barb over your mona or xing which leads to less team dmg but gives survivability but the whole thing can be avoided in the first place by just not running shenhe
To me to justifying a 5* ES unit it needs to provide a major power boost and not break your team synergy or at least not break it that hard but again this is just for luxury purpose , the content in this game doesn't justify an op ES unit because you can clear content with basic units like an Ayaka freeze with Xing + Diona + Suc can 36* while the only diff with the running Shenhe is maybe a 10-20s and that's being generous
Finally ik this is a tradition to do in any gacha but I hate it genshin especially but there's also potential an ES 5* unit can bring garbage units into the meta spotlight but genshin is expensive asf to gamble on with 1 pity costing hundreds of dollars , I can't see how it's fair locking the fix for a 4* char you like to a 5* that costs so much money
11:58 me exactly. I have shenhe leveled and built ok but the only cryo character who might use her is chongyun.
9:10 Technically speaking, both received a minor buff with Dendro, moreso Razor than Xinyan.
Aggravate or Hyperbloom Razor allowed him to get a wider variety of teammates than with Physical, with Thundering Furry being one of the most hilarious, as he's the only one capable to pull that up in such fashion.
Xinyan on the other hand can sort of work on Burgeon with unorthodox teams, but the fact that they work does help her get some recognition as a Pyro user rather than a physical user.
i made this mistake too , but Nilou's name is actually pronounced as "KNEE-loo", even though the spelling makes it seem like you should pronounce it like "KNEE-low". not your fault at all, genshin chose a english localization of نيلو that looked the prettiest ig, even though "niloo" is a technically more accurate localization.
(just an extra thing if your interested)) if Nilou sounds kind of short and awkward pronounced as "KNEE-loo" instead of "KNEE-low", this because it is a nickname! the full name is Niloufar ( نيلوفر ) which means lotus or water lily in persian.
The problem is the 50/50 scam, gain primos is frustrating or boring and you cant even think: at least i will pool for the character i like and bam take your qiqi. Azur lane treats the playerbase much better.
Actually most gatcha games dont even have a way to guarentee you'll get the top prize from the banner equivalent. Even the company's other game, Honkai Impact, uses the exact same wishing system but without the 50/50 guarentee mechanic.
@@amandaslough125 i think this is a mihoyo thing (i dont play much gatchas so maybe other company do this to) but azur lane has 1 event banner and one UR at pity 200 and thats it (you get almost 2 pulls a day) and in duel links you have 100% chance to find all the UR in 180 packs no matter what. Genshin has the most punitive gatcha system i ve ever tried.
Ah exclusive support I remember at launch Chongyun was deem to be niche and fit with freeze or mono cryo team.
9:14 and now we have mika!
I have Nilou and Nahida, and can confidently say Nilou would be busted without that passive restriction. If you were able to run her with anemo units, she'd be insane.
I have them too at c0 and dread to think their power level if they were c2. There's a new artifact set coming with the next patch which specifically boosts Bloom dmg so I don't think she has to ever worry about pairing up with anemo units to be meta level offensive...
@@Silent_Depths Yup. I'm running her triple hydro with Yelan, zooming around with the hydro aura on marked enemies and everything dies so quickly! It really trivializes the abyss.
I will forever be salty of Shenhe being a niche support as a 5*. I have not pulled Ayaka or Ganyu so I have no usecase for her...but I absolutely love her character. I'm considering pulling her on her rerun just for copium that hoyo releases a cryo dps in the future I actually care about and has synergy with Shenhe. Can't even do proper Chongyun combos as he is C0 and I'd really prefer having some constellations on him
I have a similar situation - I love Shenhe’s story and character, but I can’t make good use of her yet.
Yeah, I do have a good Ayaka freeze, the problem with running Shenhe is that
1. My ayaka is currently low energy and currently running Mistsplitter, so I need a better cryo battery - IE Rosie or Diona
2. I don’t have Koko, so I can’t consolidate healing and hydro app into a single character and thus make room for Shenhe
me 2 I really like shenhe and plan to pull for her but I despise ayaka and hate ganyus playstyle
Worst I got her randomly off a random 1 pull.
And that wasted my guarantee.
But at least I got Ganyu with to at least use her.
Use Kaeya
@@kawaiimika7974 Dude, Kaeya actually hits pretty well if you use him right. I haven't played him, but theres lots of good teams using Kaeya as a freeze sub-dps and kind of a battery too.
This viswo tackles my biggest pain on getting nilou, god I feel like I need kokomi or better artifacts on barbara for her to work
ive been a fan of niche or "exclusive" support units bc it does help avoid powercreep! and bc it makes you think about new team comps. yunjin buffs NAs which really means you can use her with anyone you like who does NAs over CAs. yunjin i used with my phys dps rosaria team bc i like rosaria's autos and like running her as a main dps. BUT with the case of nilou, i hate the restriction they put on her. especially bc nilou gets significantly better with 1) her signature weapon and 2) nahida. yes we'll get more dendro units and you can run nilou with our 4s roster plus dmc but if you truly want to see her or blooms do giga dmg its as you said - you need all the pieces of the puzzles. im definitely a waifu/husbando player so if i liked nilou i would be even angrier than i am now bc i dont really care for nahida and id hate to feel like i need certain units to work with her that i dont like. the problem with some exclusive supports i find is not creating more characters who can use them? like right now only really itto and noelle can make the most of gorou. obviously other geo defense scaling units can use him or yknow other geo units but there's not that many so then it starts to feel like. gorou really is only there for this One Person. (two i guess). still, powercreep is inevitable but i do like the niche units, i just dont like the restriction they put on nilou, it shouldve been more of a bonus the way yunjin's passive encouraging rainbow teams or gorou saying "hey more buffs for more geo but here since its just me take one". nilou shouldve had more buffs for more hydro/dendro in the team but hey you have one hydro and one dendro so heres a small buff.
if you take genshin as a game abyss-oriented, all this shit is unavoidable
but if you use your units more for casual playing, exploration, random fights, or even abyss but lower and/or without caring about time, it's fine
they lied in a disgusting way when they said about abyss and endgame, because we all know the truth
but at least you can still do other things
What lie? All they did was reconfirm what the playerbase should've realized, Genshin is casual player focused.
I can't believe Vars predicted Mika
In hearthstone if you get a niche card but it's op as heck, you must make a deck around it. Make the most out of its broken-ness
Wouldn't it be cool if after a characters 1st rerun, they become part of the 50/50 pool? Losing 50/50 would be valuable to f2p or low spenders.
Yelan is not a "Tier 0" or S Tier character, she's is just a sidegrade to Xingqiu but as a 5* and therefore a lower tier than he is (still easily high A tier).
Also are we just going to ignore the obviously overpowered Nahida?
Yes it was necessary to restrict Nilou to a Hydro/Dendro team. Nilou/Nahida is one of the strongest teams in the game at the moment, if they could use someone like Kazuha on top of that to better group enemies they would be even more busted.
*Says she doesn't do billions of damage
*Shows clip of her doing billions of damage (which isn't even using Nahida)
You're over estimating Kazuha with Nilou, just like how people overestimate crit kokomi.
There are restrictions as how many blooms can damage within a particular time, so grouping them won't result in a broken team or any sort of the claims you've made. The only thing Kazuha will bring is a little bit of qol improvements
Pffftt hahahhahahahaha 😆 🤣. Did you really just call Yelan a side grade to XQ you absolute clown.🤡 NEWSFLASH she isn't a sidegrade, And absolutely demolishes him at higher Constellations.
@@sowrabsinha1931 I know that an enemy can only take 2 instances of Bloom-related damage every 0.5 seconds.
Possibly the biggest weakness of Nilou teams are enemies that aren't grouped together resulting in problems to properly apply enough Hydro (rarely Dendro) to each enemy to trigger those 2 blooms every 0.5 seconds.
Kazuha would vastly improve the consistency of that while also possibly applying more Hydro and increasing EM even more.
The team as is is already broken, Kazuha would remove something like 5% efficiency to add 20-30% instead.
@@Goro_Maj1ma No one will ever use the cons of 5* in a comparison, who's the clown here, lol. She isn't even 10% as useful as fanboys try to "argue", she is good but rarely better than Xingqiu and not even as good as he is half of the time.
Edit: Yoimiya teams are literally the only teams in which she is strictly better.
Watching the part when you talk about Razor and Xinyan now in late January with the leaks showing that Mika will be boosting Phys dmg left me like “oooh had he known it before”
I liked the argument of exclusive supports preventing team slot monopoly. More often than not I find myself choosing Yun Jin over Bennett (C6 and C5 respectively) for my Yoimiya team because the buffs they give with their current builds are basically tied in terms of damage output. If Yun Jin didn't exist, Bennett's slot in that team would be perpetually locked, preventing me from using him in other teams. The same thing will probably happen with Faruzan.
i love how everyone tought nilou wasnt meta and bad made me laugh me with just low investment on my nilou clears abyss way faster than my fully build ganyu team
Not everyone has the resources to get her AND nahida, whose the character everyone was looking forward to have the most. People weighed their resources and decided that she isn't worth it
Good for you My Barbara and traveler do the same thing
Nilou is not over powered Bloom is but I'm glad you enjoyed getting her
And clearing abyss now a days is a joke just looked at the endless i beat the abyss with 2 characters videos or just sevy for Total f2p teams and tips
36 stars is something to be proud of nowadays? bro i've been finishing it with 2 4star characters on each side for the last year
@@yorchmr3603 it’s the hardest content in the game, so people obviously use that as a test whether certain character is viable or not. If you get a character and clear the hardest content in the game with them, what’s there to complain about?
@@danedavid6925 You don't need Nahida she just makes it better
I don't mind niche 4-stars. Niche 4-stars are whatever. You'll accidentally get a few of them just pulling normally, and their cost is not particularly high. Niche 5-stars on the other hand, I do not like at all.
A 5-star has a cost. And it's not a negligible one either. In my eyes, they're just not worth it unless you have nothing else to pull for.
Shenhe is one thing. She's very clearly "The Cryo Support." She's slightly niche, but there are still plenty of teams she can buff. Nilou is where I draw the line. While I didn't personally pull for Shenhe, I might in the future. I have a number of units she could be fun with. Nilou has ONE team, with some minor variations, and some super sub-optimal Vape stuff. Nilou having a passive that states in its bloody text "Hydro/Dendro ONLY" is too far. This isn't just being a niche support, it's a RESTRICTION on an expensive character.
And I'm not trying to say anything bad about Nilou fans, or people who like the Bountiful Core playstyle. But I will not accede the absolute horsefuckery that is Mihoyo slapping a soft ban on the team composition of a 5-star.
That said, I acknowledge that, eventually, Mihoyo will start pumping out more specific 5-stars. But I want more like Shenhe, where yes, she's niche, but her niche is decided by what she's good at and not a passive that says "fuck you."
Even Goro and Yun Jin don't have restrictions like that. They're just not useful outside of what they're designed for.
It's a simple team requirement so it's clear when you turn her bountiful cores on and off. Because otherwise you'd never be able to do other comps with her, which is actually a restriction. Otherwise, her passive isn't any different than a player only being able to tap into an elemental resonance if they choose too play.
i really like playing different playstyles so i guess i like this aprouch... of course its a fact i play this game for a long time and have almost all characters to be able to combo them together, so i guess new players might feel pressured by the amount of possibilities
As much as i really want to an all purpose support, i really think that Exclusive” Support Characters are a necessary evil to make keep the playerbase running and giving players a diverse game play, plus its not like we are not willing to keep using the same 4 units, we have a large playerbase for who are willing to test new characters for us and give us the much needed green or red light to invest in said new characters.
hell, if anything, I see that its the characters themselves and their personality or looks that are more important to make us pull or them like Vars has already stated. I pulled Nilou on day one knowing that she won't be able to fit in other teams specifically because i liked her a lot (though i do wish they and at leasta give her an 4 hit NA for her) to this day i am still happy that i pulled her despite her not seeing as much combat as Keqing and her team, and yes i am a Keqing main