Are "Redundant" Characters Good Or Bad For Genshin Impact?
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- With the recent discussion surrounding Keqing and Alhaitham's almost blatantly obvious visual similarity, I wanted to make a video discussing the concept of redundant characters, and how that could pose both positive and negative implications for Genshin Impact.
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#GenshinImpact #Keqing #Alhaitham - Hry
You (probably) didn’t pull for Al haitham because you thought he was just dendro keqinq.
I didn’t pull for Al haitham because I was saving for Yelan and aqua simulacra banners.
We are not the same.
Hutao homa gang wya
Bruh 💀
So mean
me who want to pull both:
PATHETIC!
You must be new here, 😅
He did whale for Alhaitham czcams.com/video/kJBFIRLqTuA/video.html
I did not pull for Al haitham because he is male (Waifu teams only).
*insert My Goals Are Beyond Your Understanding meme
Alhaitham's gameplay from outside may look like he's dendro kequig but in actual gameplay he's more similar to Childe than Kequig.
100% agree. He is quickly becoming one of my favorite characters.
Finally someone who comments this. People don't know this and think only think Alhaitham is spread dps. While he technically is, his best playstyle, which is dendro driver would beg to differ.
yeah, in actual gameplay he's more similar to a good character than Keqing
@@kagakai7729 oof
@@kagakai7729 keqing is a good character now tho?
The one “comparison” I can’t understand is Ayaka and Ganyu. The main difference is Ayaka is close range and Ganyu is far and there’s nothing that’s similar to them besides great cryo damage.
Both are really strong freeze cryo dpses. That's honestly enough reason to compare them.
@@H2Ocup naw I don’t buy that cus the other comparisons actually have good comparisons like how Diluc and Hu Tao infuse their attacks and Xingqui and Yelan both have bursts that deal Hydro DMG outside of them that attack along with the user’s attack.
Both are cracked at what they do but are not similar whatsoever. Im that’s something I’ll never understand
@@Blacknight6577 Well ganyu and ayaka are also kinda similar in their playstyle. You click on skill and burst, and then continue charge attacking till the enemies die or it's time to do the subsequent rotation.
I use Ayaka and Ganyu a lot and Vars probably compared the two because they pump out Cryo dmg very consistently. I agree since Ayaka can deal consistent dmg just by sprinting to gain an infusion and her e skill while Ganyu spams charged attacks and has her burst.
Video Idea: How Good are the Event Weapons in Genshin Impact
Good video idea tbf. Vars can also talk about how certain events are way too important to be limited. Like the one where we first meet Scarmouche with Mona and fischl. The scara became a very important character in the dendro archon quest and in the Inazuma story quest and the event quest in Inazuma. I remember Scaramouch saying something like “the stars or skyare fake”. I mean surely thats hinting something in relation to Celestia.
And then there was Albedo limited event with Eula,Bennet and Amber. We learned quite an interesting amount about him and his past im more than certain Albedo will play a huge part in the future of the Archon Quest since hes from Khaenri’ah. He has the capabilities and power to destroy all of Mondstadt but the players who didnt do those quests or are new would never know about this.
Genshin should allow all players to play those events they hold a lot of information. Regardless if they still give the free weapon, we should still have the ability to do those ‘event story quests’.
Agreed
@@broskib6609 But then you're adding in the issue of hardware limitations and the fact that the game basically takes into account that the players to some degree utilize the internet.
There's also the fact that despite how player's feel every limited event basically has deeper lore implications. Capitano being in Nathlan is in a Razor Event.
The Indestructible Ruin Guard the Book Before Sun and Moon Even the Golden Apple indirectly flow into the grander narrative.
How many people know about Fontaine's resources issue if you read dialogue i. the event Crystal Event or talked to Liben but since a lot of people skip it would those events in game make a difference
Wouldn't watching a cut scene or a lore tuber basically fulfil the same role. Maybe for those who don't engage with the online community but there's no way to see how affected there experience is to limited stories.
@Broski B I think he already has. There's a video of his I watched a while back that covered these problems
@@broskib6609 @broskib6609 scaramouche was introduced in inazuma eitherway so players arent really missing much and the "stars are fake" is said by Dottore with just as much vagueness as scara
As for the albedo thing, i agree, it's a pretty big part of albedo's lore and i do hope they reveal clonebedo in some future permanent quest
After playing alhaitham, he feels nothing like Keqing
If there is any character close, it's Childe
5 hour cooldown
@@sunclove3554 skill issue
I don't have Alhaitham nor childe, can you tell how is he similar to him?
@@sleeper5905 Managing cooldowns and durations of effects.
@@sleeper5905 Alhaitham is mainly used because of Dendro element similar to childe (on Hyperbloom team), both Childe and Haitham able to control the uptime of the skill.
I don't think redundant is a word that applies to Genshin at the moment, even though there are somewhat overlaps, characters are all pretty unique and I'm not defending hoyo at all, but I think they do a great job at distinguishing characters
I agree. I came from honkai impact 3. Hoyo is very good at what they do. I can't believe they haven't tried an anime yet.
@@upperdecker9992 there's a WIP Genshin anime right now. It's animated by Ufotable, the ones who animated Demon Slayer, Fate Series, etc.
even when you went into detail of each characters you'll notice that none of the units are entirely similar. Like Xingqiu/Yelan, the former is a better defensive option and applies more Hydro while the latter is more of an offensive option. That's why Xingqiu is a better pair for Hu Tao than Yelan. Either you use both or just Xingqiu.
@@xxx_lolidestroyer69_xxxuwu58 People says Alhaitham animations are the same as Keqing when it's not really true. He has his own unique normal attacks and his burst is a mirror which represents the person who he was based off of. On the end of the day any normal attack sword dps driver character will look the same. I'd honestly go out and say Childe has the same gameplay but he makes it unique with his riptides.
I kinda think sumeru 4 stars are getting actually redundant though, I can't find a justification to use Collei, Dori or Layla over DMC/YaoYao, Kuki or Diona.
speaking of keqing, it would be cool if you revisited keqing and how her power level changed with the release of dendro. cuz she's not s tier, but her teams like fischl, nahida, and kazuha or some variation of that are pretty strong and she's arguably closer in power level to units like wanderer, cyno, and itto than she was before. idk, it seems like a cool idea to explore how she's changed
True, but she's *definitely* better than Cyno lol (probably would say Wanderer too)
@@dontflamemepls7256 Cyno is still good at being a Quickbloom and Hyperbloom driver, Keqing would beat him in DMG for aggravate before C2 tho
True, my team that consists of Keqing, Fischl c0 actually Kazuha and Yao Yao is on par with some other teams as Cyno quickbloom or even Childe international (almost) but I can easily 36* the Spiral Abyss
I second this I think keqing is probably the strongest standard banner character now and on par with like itto wanderer and cyno
@@joeltoomer3332 well yeah I have both Keqing and Cyno (Keqing main for over an year btw) and they perform almost the same, Cyno clears like 3-4 seconds faster as he is at c2 and has a 5* weapon but I'm sure if I'm getting c6 Fischl and investing a bit more I can balance it
Haven't actually finished the video but I have always been a defender of Alhaitham not being dendro Keqing. His animations are similar although I think the burst is honestly not that similar its mostly the skill. However besides animations they play entirely differently. Alhaitham's damage is like 90% his mirrors and his playstyle requires you to constantly manage and time the different ways of obtaining mirrors for maximum uptime and damage. He's honestly plays more like Childe then like Keqing imo.
I have C3 Keqing who is benches because I don't like the hassle of playing her, managing her CD (I never realised that she could be played without infusion downtime at the worst moment if I put TF on her, and I don't have a single TF set farmed, heck, I don't have a single TF artifact) and.. I barely have had issues with Alhaitham regarding his playstyle. He either can extend his mirror uptime via skill/CA or just kills everything more quickly. Granted, I run him in a quickbloom team, but he's the first driver character I actually like playing at the moment. I don't have Childe, both Keqing and Ayato's infusion seems way too short without a way to extend it, and a lot of the other characters besides Raiden just have better teams and roles than being drivers. Alhaitham's just nice to play
@@atriyakoller136 About TF set - just use artefact gacha box, it's not gonna be fast, but if you farm some good domain like emblem one, you will slowly build TF set too. It's 2p or 4p is quite good for many electro characters.
@@RavenShugo I actually don't have artifacts to fodder and I usually try to get viridescent upgrades for Kazuha or crimson for my pyros, as well as trying to get blizzard strayer for Kaeya - after all, he was my first main, but as a phys DPS. I mainly farm boss mats and books now for some of my newer characters, crowned Alhaitham recently. And my electro characters I actually play are mostly on flower of paradise lost, since while trying to get Scara's 4pc I ended up with two EM sets for hyperbloom... ironically, not a single full EM gilded dreams or deepwood despite spending a lot of time there too haha
But I mainly use my artifacts as enhancement for some of the artifacts I've locked. Still, most of the time I don't even have any to level up the potentially decent pieces haha
Thanks for the advice, I didn't really need it but maybe someone will :)
Ya Alhaitham does play quite differently then Keching, there's just way more in his kit imo. Both his charge attack and plunge giving him a mirror honestly adds way more to his style. With Qingcho and Kuki he's bulldozing through everything and I haven't even maxed him yet.
@@atriyakoller136 Well we all suffer from genshin's "end game"
In past I was using gold artefacts as fodder too, but slowly changed to use them all in box - having more chances to get good pieces outweighted the exp fodder. It was when I got a few teams of good built units, so I became more picky))
He took the Dendro Keqing meme to heart, he literally made a 14 min video talking about the comparison between Keqing and Alhaitham
and on top of that, the first 5 minutes adds absolutely nothing to what he wanted to say
He gotta make that bag somehow 😂
Are you his FBI Agent?
And he didn't even talk about the fact Alhaitham can be a driver for Hyperbloom/Burgeon while Keqing can't
@@roach1898 it doesn’t help that he even plays him like Keqing, Skill CA spam, burst when it’s off cooldown, like I love his vids but he loves to compare apples to oranges
As a Cyno main, seeing you not hitting his E when the eye appears physically hurts me
I think the biggest positive factor towards character redundancy is very simple: Not everyone will pull every character. For new players, having multiple characters that are similar allows for new players to have a higher chance of getting a character like that. There's a very real chance that new players are getting Yelan on her rerun right now before ever having Xingqiu. This is a good possibility imo.
Good argument. However, it would be even better, if Yelan and Xingqiu couldn't be pulled in the same banner. xD
I am a somewhat new player (started in November 22) and got both of them. It didn't really matter though - I already heard that they work great together so I actually hoped to get both of them. My Yelan is at C0, Xingqiu at C1.
It’s also nice to have x part of a kit but in another element or weapon or, or, or…
A Chongyun for every element actually feels more natural than redundant.
I feel like it's not a really fair comparison? Considering elemental infusion is just straight up trash lol. When Candace released, no one was angry that she was a Hydro Chongyun, they were mainly just mad that she sucked.
I’m amazed no one ever brings up Ganyu and Tighnari. Tighnari feels like Ganyu on speed and with dendro element
6:40 Surely they'll start including enemies that are weak against specific weapons in regular gameplay. They already have weak points for bows, increased effectiveness for claymores against shields, and enemies listed with weapon weaknesses for weekly missions.
I don't buy the comparison to Keqing, and it's not just because of their power level. Alhaitham functions distinctly different to Keqing in almost every way:
1) Skill and burst cooldowns are very long compared to Keqing, which highly incentivizes him being played on-field vs Keqing who is much more flexible and functional in a rapid quick-swap team with her short cooldowns and low cost burst.
2) By nature of having high sustained dendro application from a combination of his mirror attacks + NAs/CAs, he can adequately fulfil the role of a dendro driver in quickbloom/hyperbloom/burgeon/Nilou bloom teams on top of quicken/spread teams, while Keqing is pretty much married to aggravate teams due to her high amounts of electro application in short bursts of damage.
3) His dendro infusion isn't actually tied to his E, it's tied to his mirror stacks. You can get them by using his burst which can give you 3 if you have 0 stacks, his skill which gives 2 if you have 0 stacks and 1 if you already have stacks, charged attacking and plunge attacking which both gives 1 stack. Due to this, the way you play him is very formulaic and requires more precise timings on his ability usages compared to Keqing whose electro application is directly tied to either her skill or the application you get from her burst. This also means that there are multiple ways to take advantage of his entire kit and isn't solely dependent on his burst for high AoE elemental application unlike Keqing.
I'm skeptical of those who actually think they are remotely similar outside of visual similarities. As many have pointed out, his similarities are more comparable to Childe in terms of function if anything.
This isn't directly an in-depth view of Keqing vs Alhaitham, but moreso on the gameplay design of having similar characters and going forward with the game's direction. Vars isn't exactly a theorycrafting channel but more on forming thoughts or criticising game design n what not
He is nothing like childe, it's not even close.
He and Keqing has the same skill, same BIS weapons, same infusion and same teams as Agravate are both of their Best.
The mirrors aren't dificult to manage and they are just there as a added bonus to make him better than the standard banner Keqing.
It's not dificult to keep his mirrors up, open with ult, press skill and Na spam end of story.
That's the easiest rotation ever and that is similar to Keqing she just doesn't get mirrors for extra dps like he does.
Childes gimmick his switching between long range to close range and combining the two to maximize damage, the rotation is much more complex, has a bow so uses completely different weapons, is a hydro dps so optimal teams are freeze and vaporise and not Agravate like theirs.
Alhaitham is literally just Keqing with added dps thanks to mirrors which take no effort and is just a bonus and neither come close to what childe does or how complex he is to use.
There is no precise timings or difficulty in using him, the mirrors are the easiest things ever to keep up and playing him is basically brain dead.
Compared to childe and the difficulty of his optimal rotations, the dps loss for messing up, the strict timing regarding his skill CD etc. Comparing alhaitam to him is laughable.
Not really redundant though. Xingqui and Yelan are dramatically closer to each other, but I would still argue even they are not redundant.
XQ and Yelan bounces off of each other wel because they're both off-field DPS, they're worth stays intact even when they're off field, the same however can't be said about main DPS who wants on field time like Keqing and Haitham, unless you're just looking for cool screenshots of them combining their burst animation
Having both gives you more Hydro DPS and application.
Xingqiu loses some numbers but has more utility (healing and damage reduction)
Whereas Yelan trades that off for big numbers.
In short, both. Both. Both is good
They are quite literally used the exact same way. Battery their burst, use burst, switch off so someone can take advantage of their hydro application like a Yoimiya or Hu Tao.
One just brings more utility while the other damage...
@@Rpground Well, what you say is true. But it is not complete. For example, Xingqui can enable teams to run without any defensive or healing oriented characters in a party. Even without perfect play, Xingqui can dramatically improve survival while also doing what you stated. This can free up a slot in the party to further team damage. Yelan literally cannot do that. Yelan, instead, focuses on increasing the ceiling of party damage through her passives.
In the end, you can blindly use either of them in a team, but it will not always be to the same results (I won't even go into hydro gauge). The less optimized a team is in general, the harder it might be to see the difference of the impact of the characters in the team. But once properly optimized, these two have distinct use cases that do have a significant overlap.
@@Rpground That's pretty much every on field dps/carry nowadays. Well I could even argue Alhaitham doesn't need his Q at all in scenario his dmg isn't a probelm.
If done in moderation, I think these kinds of characters could make the game better overall.
A pyro Xingqui would be very appreciated.
Who klee could’ve been if her ult didn’t disappear after switching out
Isn't Thoma a pyro Xingqui?
@@nr8255 Different ICD unfortunately, In genshin there is 3 Hit ICD (every 1st, 4st, and 8th hit has individual ICD) this is why Xingqiu and yelan had 3 rainsword each attack. Thoma however use the regular 2.5 sec ICD which means he only deal elemental reaction every 2.5 Sec (the ICD is on each enemy btw). Pyro Xingqiu is just Xiangling except she had energy issue on other team aside with benneth.
Lukewarm take: every element needs a Xingqiu
@@Tanubtanu "Pyro Xingqiu is just Xiangling"
Xiangling doesn't have coordinated attacks on burst...
Keqing and Alhaitham only shares similar animations, when it comes to gameplay (as a lot of people has commented) he's more akin to Childe, a more forgiving version of Childe that is
both require micromanagement to a certain degree (Childe's CD and Haitham's Mirror) but Childe's consequences are a lot more brutal when you fail to do so as he lose all DPS from failing to manage his melee form while Haitham's can still supplement mirrors from his burst and charge/plunging attacks at least until his skill is back on
And he even has some flexibility to do that, sometimes you want to save the burst so just doing skill-plunge is enough to finish an enemy
He is nothing like childe, it's not even close.
He and Keqing has the same skill, same BIS weapons, same infusion and same teams as Agravate are both of their Best.
The mirrors aren't dificult to manage and they are just there as a added bonus to make him better than the standard banner Keqing.
It's not dificult to keep his mirrors up, open with ult, press skill and Na spam end of story.
That's the easiest rotation ever and that is similar to Keqing she just doesn't get mirrors for extra dps like he does.
Childes gimmick his switching between long range to close range and combining the two to maximize damage, the rotation is much more complex, has a bow so uses completely different weapons, is a hydro dps so optimal teams are freeze and vaporise and not Agravate like theirs.
Alhaitham is literally just Keqing with added dps thanks to mirrors which take no effort and is just a bonus and neither come close to what childe does or how complex he is to use.
NGL, if they give me more Heizou like characters, I'd love it.
In Honkai impact they do a wonderful job for weapons being only slotholder and characters using so different attacks. Like Heizou in Genshin. They can do it if they want. Keqing is one of the few characters I don't have but got Alhaitham and he is so much fun and really strong.
I didn't even watch the video but if this is really some comparison between Alhaitham and Keqing (based on the thumbnail) it's hilarious, lol
They're not redundant since they play completely differently, Keqing is way more quickswap-ish while Alhaitham really wants to sit on field for 12 seconds, not to mention he has the mirror mechanics that interact with his infusion and burst
Visually? Yes, they look similar, which is why some people joke about him being "Dendro Keqing" (even though some people are serious and that's sad, pure ignorance), but try playing Alhaitham in the same way you play Keqing and you're in for a bad time my dude
imagine focalors being hydro but also can cc, might be the most broken hydro character. i also can see mihoyo doing that
By archons/slimes theory, Focalors is going to get bubbles.
...that's the same theory that predicted Nahida's alternate sprint, so you should believe in it! 🤣
Characters that serve similar functions in a team are fine, specially if they do not have similar aesthetics design wise and story wise.
Genshin has a very big playerbase, so not everyone share the same likes or dislikes. You have players that likes male characters, some want the adult looking female characters, or some want their team to be mostly from Liyue, and some wants their team to be all from Inazuma etc.
Having variety to choose from is great, as long as it is not a 1:1 copy then it's fine. I'm sure a lot of people has that one character that they really like how they play but dislike the character itself. If they created a "copy" of that character's kit on a character that suites their taste then that's nothing but a big W.
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That character for me was Keqing, so the first time I heard Alhaitham described as Dendro Keqing I was so happy.
What is this Haitham is Keqing clownery again. They don't play the same at all.
Sometimes Genshin players are idiots and they are also kinda lazy to find the difference.
he feels a lot more like playing childe than keqing. his abilities are similar to keqing but his playstyle is very different
He is nothing like childe, it's not even close.
He and Keqing has the same skill, same BIS weapons, same infusion and same teams as Agravate are both of their Best.
The mirrors aren't dificult to manage and they are just there as a added bonus to make him better than the standard banner Keqing.
It's not dificult to keep his mirrors up, open with ult, press skill and Na spam end of story.
That's the easiest rotation ever and that is similar to Keqing she just doesn't get mirrors for extra dps like he does.
Childes gimmick his switching between long range to close range and combining the two to maximize damage, the rotation is much more complex, has a bow so uses completely different weapons, is a hydro dps so optimal teams are freeze and vaporise and not Agravate like theirs.
Alhaitham is literally just Keqing with added dps thanks to mirrors which take no effort and is just a bonus and neither come close to what childe does or how complex he is to use.
Atleast only their gameplay looks similar. Yelan literally looks like genderbent adult Xingque, even their barber gave them the same haircut.
AlHaitham feels better to me because he feels more rhythmic. I personally like characters who use all of their talents and can make them flow within one another
I get the first part, but Keqing is one of the only characters besides Alhaitham that also use all talents lol
@@axelvinicius3365 True, but I’ve never liked Keqing personally. And her optimal playstyle is just CA spam, which is what Hutao does and I dislike Hutao for the same reason.
Diluc uses all his talents (except A1), he’s my idea of perfectly fun character
@@_shadow_1397 absolutely agree with everything, omg
What I'd love is in an alternate universe having an anemo Noelle...Noelle is already amazing, giving her swirl infusion similar to high constellation Kazuha or something would make her epic (just had the idea since she initially wanted an anemo vision to begin with)
Xiao's burst does that.
alhaitham and keqing had pretty similar-looking abilities visually so I can at least understand where that part of the comparison comes from; but to say he's just as strong or plays exactly the same as keqing back when he wasn't released yet or even before we've seen any leaked gameplay of him in a full team rotation was just plain dumb.
also there's only so much variety in animations within games with a huge ever-expanding roster and there are bound to be overlaps in not just animation but also function.
one thing i think was neglected to mention here is how much a character’s element does actually inform how they play. eg. hoyoverse never would have made xiao a pyro character since xiao’s kit with his mid air dashes and increased jump height is obviously tailor made for the element of anemo. although the theme of light for alhaitham’s kit seems an odd choice for dendro… i still think it’s unlikely we’ll see many more element swap versions of characters for the reason that hyv seems to want to keep the elements unique in flavor.
Alhaitham isn't even Dendro Keqing, lol. Even if he was, it's funny that people think that would be a bad thing since Keqing is actually really good now with Dendro.
Bro he basically has 1:1 animations to keqing, it’s as close as a copy as u can get
@@Pumpkin36408 visually, yes. When it comes to actually playing the character, he requires a bit more finesse and practice to play than Keqing. More like Childe.
Also, like I said, calling him Dendro Keqing isn't even an insult like a lot of players treared it, since Keqing is actually good now.
I used to be a keqing main before I got xiao so alhaitham being similar to keqing but with a fresh playstyle is exactly what hat I wanted for a new main (well secondary to xiao)
Redundancy isn't an excuse for mihoyo (for now) because there's lots of roles the aren't fulfilled or that are very scare like off field pyro or physical buffer
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@@Kam1_9 Shhhh, no one tell them. Although the off field one may need some reworks still since...ahem. If you know, you know.
Comparing or even hinting at Alhaitham =keqing is a war crime lmao
99% of the people complaining about characters being similar in their animations or their kit won‘t pull for every character regardless. I don‘t see how it is bad for them if it‘s just an easy skip because that character isn‘t useful to them. They could just safe up better for a more necessary character and not complain about everything hoyo adds
Look like keqing
But after testing him in Randomly I realized he was Dendro Childe.
Anyone who has Alhaitham knows that he doesn't play like Keqing at all, and still such video exists. Sure, every character in League can have dash, but when someone else in Genshin got a dash it's suddenly the end of the world.
1- Alhaitan does look like Keqing but they feel different, he feels closer to Childe playstyle.
2- You need to check Keqing post dendro, she is in some cases better than limited 5* options.
3- This is one of the few cases where people will feel like theres redundancy, just because they work with the same reactions, if we were to get let's say pyro XQ it would feel different just because it would be better with melt instead of vapes.
4- Kokomi is almost a 1:1 copy of Barbara and yet she doesn't feel the same, call it the 5* vs 4* difference or the fact that she has off field AoE app, Eula/Razor, Yae/Fischl, Cyno/Razor, Yelan/XQ, Jean/Sayu, there are a lot of kits that may look and have a similar objective but Hoyoverse manages to make them feel different and boy do I feel weird praising that shit company (like the game but Hoyoverse sucks).
For #2, She's still need directly buff for compensating about her own banner in 2 years ago. She's having so much rivals right now. Examples; Hu Tao, Ayaka, Childe, Raiden Shogun, Cyno, Alhaitham. If she really been forgotten along those slanderings, including the death threat one. I can't forgive them all just for Keqing only! I did roll in her own banner in 2 years ago before, but never got her or any losses 50/50. And I only got her as base character (C0) from standard banner and C1 from Venti's re-run banner. And right now, my foreign friend need Keqing that badly since 2 years of this game now, but never got any Keqing. And my foreign friend is in regret for achieved Diluc C6, also.
@@VrtielA6300 I can't even make sense of most of that and yet I know you're wrong.
@@drekhunter Think they’re saying ur wrong about #2, kinda true since she had way to much competition to be viable than other dps 5 stars post dendro, she’s been exponentially buffed by dendro.
@@user-cn7oj3ws8q then you mean pre dendro and yeah but he is comparing her to Alhaitan so I think is fair to see how she fares now isn't it?
I would say some other gacha that have some pretty good characters to pull for is Honkai, also made by Hoyoverse, If you enjoyed the story of the game you pretty much wanted to summon for every single character, principally 1 to 2 years ago, since they were literally the same 7 characters in other outfits, with some exceptions, that changed because of progress in the story, it still does it to this day, with a cast a little bigger, for exemple, right now, the main trio is just receiving f#cking amazing new battlesuits, because of a major point in the story, and most of the fandom is hyped up for them.
By now I feel that is just the style Hoyoverse took in their games, I believe even ggz had pretty good characters, as long as you knew chinese, japanese or played like half the game by what was nearly google translator levels of localization before it became better.
Man I just love all the music choices for vars videos. Don't get me wrong love the videos as well we fun,and informational, but God the music that shows up oddly makes sense for whatever the video may be about. Side note road taken is a really good fates song though all of fates ost is amazing
If anything playing him felt to me like playing Diluc and Ayato. Mostly simple, very reliable & almost always elementary infused, but also I could see myself getting him to 90 and then shelving him for more interesting units unless I wanted to speed through something as quickly as possible & needed dendro to do so. I decided to skip him not because he's a bad character (he's great!), but because I'm already happy with Tignhari for his unique & fun playstyle and I feel like I would not use Tignhari as much at all if I got and leveled up Al Haithem. But I'm also not opposed to maybe getting him on a rerun. I'm glad I held out because Yelan finally came out again and after many months since her release I am so happy to finally have gotten her. I ended up skipping her so many times cause I didn't have enough primos or I impuse got someone else just before her (no regrets, my impulse & accidental gets were worth it) so yeah I finally have Yelan :)))
Personality wise, they're the complete opposites of each other.
Keqing is an obsessive workaholic who min maxes everything for the sake of her ambition and has to be told to take a break and enjoy the view once in a while.
Alhaitham on the other is brilliant but lazy and can't be bothered to give anything but the bare minimum for a comfy job. However, when the chips are down and his comfy life is at stake, he gives it his all. And then promptly goes back to not giving a f*ck.
Gameplay wise also they are the complete opposite
I have to appreciate the Road Taken choice of BGM, nice to see it being implemented in other, more popular media
I think that even overlapping play styles make any character redundant. Even small differences can change how a character fits into a team and sometimes having two of a very similar characters is good bc I can’t clear abyss without kokomi and Barbra
Al Haitham is pretty broken ngl, even barely built he still deals big damage if you make use of his quick dendro application. My friend with a better Alhaitham than me melted Azdaha, other bosses together with Yae while I did nothing (my specialty)
I remember saying that in one of your previous videos. I really think that characters variety would be a great addition to Genshin. Specially because its a casual game. Many people pull for characters because they like, or if its gameplay, or design, or even the characters lore/ background
So yes, having Pyro/ cryo/ dendro or whatever element version of Xinq would be nice. Yelan is there to proof it
Even tho they're very similar, those who doesnt like Xiqng can use her instead. Or even use them both together. But each of them still carry their own unique pros and cons, plus their own lore and characteristics.
Same for Layla and Diona. Both Cryo Shielder, that got the same funcion. But Diona can be considered a lot better because of the Heal and buffs she can provide. But those who doesn't like diona, can just enjoy Layla as a shielder instead of diona without causing any trouble. Or even so, for abyys, you can add one of them to each floor. See? No problem at all having characters variety
You can also say that Tignaris playstyle got some inspiration from Ganyus charged shot. Yes, they're different, but those who like Ganyu may also enjoy Tignaris gameplay.
Or again, Ayaka being cryo x Ganyu being cryo and both DPS with completely different playstyles
Those who enjoy ayaka more, go for her, while those who likes ganyu more, go for ganyu instead. Or even so, get them both and use in abyss. Also, theres no problem at all with this.
So yes, characters variety to Genshin is pretty welcome. As long as they get slightly changes, like thosr exemples i mentioned. ~ characters design, personality, lore etc etc
as someone who thought alhaitham was dendro keqing.. i was gravely mistaken after maining him. his attack combo strings are very different to keqing's since keqing doesnt have 3 mirror management or stack management. if anything, only his burst and skill animations have slightly similar animation, but their combos and playstyles are very different since alhaitham doesnt do charged atk spam and actually does n4d or n4e or n4c as well
Road Taken playing in the background
They would break their servers with overwhelm if there ever came out a Pyro Xingqiu haha. Pretty much everybody would pull for them
Idk why people are still expecting more characters like xingqiu or bennet to shown up, they definitely were “mistakes”
@@cl13913 yeah, I know 😔. But they did make Yelan so it's possible for another one.
I just mean an off field dps. Can also be like Raiden with her elemental Skill.
@@ollie2111 i hope so too 🥲
@@cl13913 don’t forget xingqiu’s from liyue
Klee should have been fire xingqiu, don't think anyone would complain if that happened. Very likely that people would grovel for more changes though
I like it coz it gives us players the option to pick the characters we want to use. I have Keqing but I never built her coz I only like tall characters. When Alhaitham got leaked showing his skill similarities to Keqing I was excited coz I absolutely love Keqing's kit due to it's fast animation and fast mobility. Another character which I am happy to have a tall version is Xingqiu through Yelan. Now I'm waiting for a tall version of Xiangling so I can fully enjoy Tartaglia.
Having overlapping/similar characters is also great because players who come in later or skip can still have the gameplay feel of a character even though their banner may take forever to come back around. Trust me, we get a character like Kazuha in Geo? Trust me I’m pulling them 199%
It's not that it's redundant, it's just that the most mechanically interesting/distinguish and OP characters reserved only for Liyue lmao.
Nahida & Kazuha? The 2 best characters other than Yelan?
@@Kaiji... Not to mention Raiden and Bennet.
Hopefully the characters in Fontaine will add an interesting new gameplay style with devices that help deal extra damage in combat or something.
"There are plenty of videos comparing Al-Haitham and Keqing's performance in combat"
The video: AL-HAITHAM AND KEQING RAP BATTLE
I think if they're gonna have characters with the same or similar platstyles, they should first do it for different elements. So that way they still feel like they have their own different use applications.
I've heard Baizhu is going to have skill like Layla and a burst like Yelan's. I'm okay with it because Dendro brings so much to the table. Look at Alhaitham, despite being called Dendro Keqing, he has more to offer than Keqing because of Dendro.
there's 2 reasons i do not enjoy this topic.
1) al and keqing are not redundant in the way people mean (more on that later) purely because theyre different elements. theyre not encroaching on the exact same niche spot anyway. the actual redundants would be the likes of yelan/xingqui or noelle/itto
2) and i thought this had already been established with actual redundants, having more than 1 of the same character is good for the battle content genshin puts out because youre prime unit in certain comps isn't locked to one team with mediocre/not workable replacements. you can run xingqui with hu tao and your second team won't suffer because you have yelan.
back to the redundancy and how people mean it though, a lot of the redundancies they mean aren't even what they mean anyway. and its really just because people don't understand certain mechanics and playstyles that they even put some of them together as redundancies. like ganyu and ayaka, or diluc, yoimiya, and hu tao. worst ive seen is people trying to say that of fischl and sara
Personally, I'd be really interested in an Electro, Dendro, Hydro or Cryo type Yoimiya. Long distance, rapid-fire quicken based reactions or being able to freeze without having to get too close would be interesting. Aloy may already exist but, unfortunately, she requires extra steps to get that infusion & it isn't always reliable. Anemo could be interesting too, in this regard, provided some sort of aoe on hit.
Yea if I don't like em it gives me time to save for the next one I do want or an extra character to make up a similar team
I think it'd be a great idea to give certain boosts to specific weapons or characters as long as it's not too restrictive. I feel it would definitely give more incentive to level most of your roster. Also a hydro Sucrose sounds nuts.
This one of the things I notice a lot in genshin one of the reasons I didn’t go for someone like alheitham is that(I now they are different characters but humor me a little) is because I had Tighnari while yes they have team preferences and unique playstyles My thing is I don’t need 2 spread dps units plus I was saving for the next update hoping it’s a shenhe rerun. Would have it been nice to get him,absolutely the more 5 stars the better! But was he needed no he would have been redundant to have on my account
redundant characters are neither good nor bad, they're merely inevitable.
The longer a game lasts, the more redundant characters will pop up simply because there are only so many ways you can stab someone with a sword or shoot someone with a bow.
Like, when Nilou came out for most people it was never a case of "if" we would receive a dendro healer, it was "when" we would receive a dendro healer. Lo and behold, we get Yaoyao.
They seem to be expending at least some effort in keeping the Archons unique at least, with only Venti having any true redundancies (and he was a launch character so that's understandable) but we're only at 4 out of 7 (or 8...) so that could change.
It's especially something that's going to crop up once we finally get all the weapon+element combos.
I think similar characters in terms of play style are fine although maybe not the same or similar element (as in dendro is involved with electro a lot and vise versa) there is still a lot of room for new and innovative characters a few milidly redundant characters isn’t bad in my eyes, tbh part of the reason I burned most of my f2p primo sources getting Alhaitham was because I loved playing kequing in events but don’t have her. Redundancy makes there be more than one option to access a certain play style and as long as there an different element and have a different gimmick I think it’s cool and makes it so you don’t have to put everything into one character to access a playstyle
Another interesting topic for a video topic that other comments here reminded me of:
the differences in how hard a given character's kit/rotations are to master.
Because with characters like Tartaglia and Alhaitham, that's way more important - and difficult - than it is with Noelle or even Nahida.
Wouldn't it be interesting if there were for each element a character that uses skill and burst similar to the hypostases. Like sucrose it resembles the anemo hypostasis.
Well, I've got both, and just through pity pulls alone I managed to C6 Keqing; having never once had a desire to use her, lol.
Honestly, what trips me up is just how much more time consuming gathering the regional items have been for character ascension. It's like each region has 40 of something and they get more and more spread out as you get to each region. It's to the point where Sumeru feels like any one regional material is in a pocket of 2 or 3 spread across the entire region and near no waypoint, lol.
I think its cool as long as its different elements or if same an upgrade of a 4 star version ie Noelle - Itto , Barbara- Kokomi
Those characters you mentioned they play differently, the closest we have to direct upgrade and is xingqui and yelan, and even that’s debateable
@@ronniejacksonjr4910 play differently but act the same. itto and noelle are both geo claymores that infuse on ult and convert def to atk.
i think that redundancy ((sorry english aint my first langugage) might good in a way taht if 2 character are similar,some people might prefer the design of one over another,for exemple itto and noel:botha re the same principle but their design are different so some people migth rpefer itto's design over noel's and so on
I think they're fine. Very few people will want or like every character. So even if some characters are very similar, everyone has the chance to get a character they like. Even if you like one you might not like the other, whether that's because of a slight difference in playstyle, how they look, or their lore. So I think it's good that people have similar options to choose from. Also, you might want two of a character who do similar things. E.g. you might want two crowd control characters like Venti and Kazuha, or you might want two characters you can use off field for a similar purpose, like Xingqiu and Yelan. So having "redundant" characters can make it easier to build teams because you don't have to make as many tough choices about what team certain characters are on.
3:24 i appreciated that
"None of the Dendro Characters released prior to AlHaitham can achieve Spread as often as he can..."
Nahida with no ICD on her E: ._.
She doesn't either.
2.5 seconds E spread procs vs Alhaitham who is doing twice the amount in less time due to the way his projection attacks have a unique 2 hit ICD.
@@sweetillusions5495 You should read a little. Illusory heart (at at least level 8) gives - .6 to the trigger rate of the E, with Electro Characters, which in a Spread team is a must, plus her NAs speed up her Dendro Application, since unlike AlHaitham's, they aren't infused, they are Dendro 100% of the time, they have no downtime. Also, Illusory Heart lasts 15 seconds with a 13.5s CD so, 100% uptime, while also bursting on Cooldown, due to having Electro Resonance.
I understand you are copium on AlHaitham, and are a diehard fan that will defend him at all costs, but please, Nahida is the best Dendro Character. Period. Sorry of you don't like that 😴
@@fzhs7030 "2.5 seconds E procs vs AlHaitham who is doing twice the amount in less time"
Are we reading the same comment?
@@fzhs7030 I'm not even surprised. The average Genshin player is rather stupid thinking they know how ICD mechanics work only to end up being completely wrong.
Even if you included Nahida electro buff from burst, Alhaitham is still the fastest Dendro applier currently due to his E applying Dendro once or twice per wave so long as you're at 2 mirrors or higher. Then his normals also apply Dendro every 3rd hit due to infusion.
Hell, in terms of application speed even Yaoyao during burst is also potentially faster than Nahida as it shortens her rabbit hit ICDs to 1.5 seconds. What Nahida does do better though is clear existing elements on the enemy as her E hits apply 1.5U Dendro, but this can also be counterproductive for Aggravate based teams as they want the electro to coexist there.
@@fzhs7030 better at spreading. Read the room bruh 💀
*Person X beats person Y in a hot dog eating competition*
Person Z: Wow person X is better than Person Y.
You: No, they aren't a better person.
AT EATING HOT DOGS.
MAN, Context lmao.
i'm looking forward to see the next non Elettro elemental skill counter beidhou like.
Yunjin and Candace: Are we a joke to you?
My reasoning for not wanting to pull him because I wanted yelan and I didn't want to go out my way to get access to his boss drops. I'm taking my time unlocking Sumeru slowly to savor it. Like why would I take the time to go discover his boss where say yelan i can easily know where to and how to farm for her faster.
I know you don't play Destiny 2 but with the reveal of the Lightfall subclasses, the Titan subclass seems very familiar to Arc and Stasis, in the form of running into enemies by using your fists but in a different color.
Also there are exotics in the game that can do very similar things to each other.
Exact reason why I quit during Beyond Light, and I'll never play it again. Best decision of my life. It's an infinite cycle of reused content, absolute insanity.
@ not really though, witch queen was good, and lightfall will be great cause of the major game updates
@@stevem.9340 Nothing will convince me, I loved the games, especially D1, but now I despise Destiny.
My friends have played Destiny (including D1) 5+ hours a day since launch (about 15,000 hours total) and even they can't give me a decent reason to come back.
i was never actually worried about how he plays or whether his kit was similar to keqing's, i just thought his animations were too similar to another character's (the eula diving her sword into the ground comes to mind). aka my concerns were always "are we out of original attack animations already?" rather than how it actually works. though since hes come out i dont think thats case anymore. def something to think about tho!
Imagine a world where dehya was just a better diluc…. How much happier we’d all be….
Nice video but the FE Fates music is amazong
I’m sure HoYo wants to mix in ‘redundant’ characters now so that down the line there are still new element+weapon+playstyle combinations even when we get to Snezhnaya (and honestly I suspect the story will keep going far beyond the ‘Teyvat Chapter’, simply because I can’t imagine HoYo abandoning this game). Imagine if we already had a character for every single combination, we could never get a new character that’s entirely unique.
I would keep imaging of why everyone abandoned some characters instead.
i would love a DENDRO KAZUHA.
so that i can group with Spead teams. as right now we have to trade grouping in favor of Spread higher mult.
unlike the other side of the reaction that usually can slot Anemo characters. that's why, despite pulling Alhaitham, i still prefer Keqing Aggravate when there are more than 2 enemies as her team can easily slot Kazuha for grouping and buffing.
1:41 NOT THE RAP BATTLE BRUH
Now that I think about it, I would love having xiao of other elements
Now that I think of it, Mona is kinda like a hydro Sucrose:
1. (Short) off-field application
2. Buffs
3. Crowd control (she actually keeps them in place, but even Sucrose doesn't do much for crowd control, besides slightly pulling them with her skill and stunning them with her burst like Mona, but doing it 3 times more).
I woukd like to correct the claim that Keqing and Alhaitham have the same normal attack skill thing.
Alhaitham has a larger range when he hits with the leaf whatever things.
Connection to wolves? Cyno is a JACKAL. These people need to up their complaints
I think a new end game where certain element or weapon is allowed/not allowed would give more spotlights to other unit.
Or maybe top 10 unit ban based on abyss usage.
Man i only have a single 5 star at ar 45 and that's keqing level 80, everyone says shes not good, don't know about the other 5 stars but I'm now regretting somewhat of investment in her. Really fun to play tho!
What‘s the BG music playing during the video? I currently can‘t place it between fire emblem and plants vs zombies for some reason LOL I *think* it‘s FE tho…
Love Alhaitham. So glad I have him. He does plenty of damage and he is so fun. Also have had Keqing for a long time. Never use her. Alhaitham is my main main. The “dendro Keqing” is a silly saying and people just like to copy other people. Utterly risible…
It is a bit more depending on the timeline, I play genshin for less the 1 year and whaled enough to get every 5-star available to c0. The 5 Stars get even Stronger individual. There is no need to pull for new ones if you succed with your old term members, for those who just atarted the game, it is good ti have some redundance. I mean, I play genshinh for less then a year.
I pulled on staff of homa banner and got Aquilla. Is this good for Childe?
It's rather inevitable we would get overlapping unit designs but with some differences (Xingqiu vs Yelan, anyone?).
Those differences are the key here, so HYV can still design distinct unit design.
Like we probably won't get a new weapon type (I've seen people asking for gauntlets). Like you mentioned, we might get more Keqing-y characters for other elements.
If by any chance we end up getting a new weapon type (which I believe we are not), it won't be Gauntlets since Heizou showed us Catalyst users would fill that niche already.
@@FranciscoJG Yeah, I think so as well. The weapon types we got all cover different attack speed and impacts (example: claymore slow but heavy hits vs sword faster but medium hits), so any new weapon type need to be unique.
So we can expect HYV being flexible with the current weapon types and experimenting with fighting styles.
@@dojiz7242 yeah
Way back in the day, when hoyolab wasn't the mess it is today, I remember discussing something about a new weapon type. I came up with how guns could be implemented - basically the ranged equivalent to claymores: slow heavy attacks for normals, but being able to aim elemental shots for charged attacks just like bows (maybe even multiple quick shots like the Fatui Pyroslinger does and making it different enough from bows).
Other than that, I still can't see how anything else could be implemented without being redundant with existing weapon types.
Like you said, I'm fine with some redundancy, just so long as they don't overdo it. Plus, some combos like a Xiao or Hu Tao with other elements does sound nice.
Robin with Elwind: “Ah yes, my arching sword recovery move.”
0:56 only Xingqiu and Yelan is accurate, Yelan's special CA is useless since it happens by chance, E dash/run is practically the only thing "unique" about her and yet it's not the main focus. She's just a coordinated Q bot like Xingqiu, it's like comparing a plantain to a banana
Everyone calling Al Haitham a Dendro Keqing but have we all forgot people calling Cyno a weaker Keqing? Both have the same role but one doesn't perform as well as the other. Even calling Razor a weaker than Cyno doesn't sound right as Thundering Furry is still able to deal more damage overall than Aggravate Cyno would thanks to the absurd amount of reactions that occur.
And as many Al Haitham players would point out, he is closer to Tartaglia than Keqing due to the strict timings and having everything ready before switching to him. Keqing is more quickswap-y and relies on her CA while Haitham does NA/CA just to proc the barrage attacks.
Except cyno isn't an aggravate carry, and plays nothing like keqing. I don't even see him being called a weaker keqing now because of that.
@@lordprawn8216 except... He is? His A4 passive highly incentivizes to use EM over ATK and his Burst also increases his EM, the first team recommendation in KQM is an Aggravate Team and his overall role on a team is that of a carry/hypercarry since he wants to stay on-field the most... And yet it turned out that his DMG is less than Aggravate Keqing. That's what the initial fight between the two.
Cyno in terms of kit can be more comparable to Xiao or Itto since those two are also hypercarries, but in terms of performance, he is weaker than Keqing.
@@alexliengsky6884 he is a hyperbloom carry, specifically quickbloom. I would look up cyno quickbloom and see for yourself
KQM has piss poor information on cyno because they never looked into him post nahida.
@@lordprawn8216 his kit literally aims at aggravate team comps like what
7:25 *cough* Klee if the developers would let her burst stay on other characters *cough*
when the game first dropped, i was thrusted into being a fich main and all i wanted was oz like turrets but different elements. instead, we keep getting coral blue number 5 semi physical NORMAL attacker. we have 2 charge attackers hu tao and itto, klee and xinyan dont count, and 1 plumber being xiao. if we get a support or sub, its a kujou sara. im tired of seeing electro turret variants, i rly dont want to see oz mock 4, wheres the fichalikes for pyro and such?
one thing i would love to see is a non anemo grouper, so far the comfort of having all enemies in one place is locked behind Kazuha, Venti and Sucrose to some extent
You would be surprised by how strong Keqing is now, Yaoyao FIschl Kazuha Keqing is my fav team right now and I have been clearing abyss easily. In terms of fun it's peak gameplay in my opinion IF you are running 4pc thundering fury on Keqing.