SHASHI THAROOR - How British Rule Destroyed India Reaction!
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I'm sorry for anything ignorant I said in this video. Just doing my best, like anyone else, to understand, acknowledge, discover what positives I can and move forward from there. I will always do my best to find the positive of right now because to do otherwise is despair and hopelessness and that's not an outlook I want to have. This is a discussion on a very heavy topic and I acknowledge the horrible atrocities, that is DEFINITELY not lost on me as we have spent a lot of time on this channel going over that. Still, I'm sure I spoke a few nonsensical things as evidenced by the comments. I'm not beyond unintentionally saying something stupid from time to time. As I said, just doing my best to understand, acknowledge and discover what positives I can because that's all we can build a future off of.
Chill bro 😅 we don't take it personally, Bcz in our indian history, We also didn't know many things about this.. Our history also erase like every British child..
Bharat ( india) is under occupation from last 1100 years..I don't wanna blame just British. It's totally wrong..
We don't mind your words.. If something got wrong..bcz you are like our family 😇
But jaby we can use the same argument for Hitler and say he also had good sides. But u wonder why you never say that same about Hitler
It is alright, different opinions open up everyone's horizons. You know way more about india than many of us knowing about US. Disagreement is healthy.
@@unseenvideos9447 I understand you are trying to support Jaby, We all do and we literally respect the most and love him. But Your statement is totally wrong. Even though India was invaded in the past, eg the Mughals, they came in, took over kingdoms, but they stayed here and also the wealth. They made India their home and named it Hindustan. The British is to be likely blamed because they constantly looted India for 200 years, shipping everything to Britain. Building their own cities and leaving the people and India dry. Here transfer of welath from India to Britain took place in trillions (todays money)
Jaby dont appologise to the internet mob just for curiosity. The fact is especially here in South Asia people are blinded by nationalism and think only their country is the victim and they are greatest and innocent. I am from Nepal and if i say that over the last 30-40 years India has slowly but surely encroached the boarders of Nepal from both east and west and starting to annex many small small lands into its territory they wouldnt believe us and say that communist China is using us to provoke India by spreading fake information when the fact is entire people from Terai and all political parties are united about this.
All we can say is "The glitter of modern world is just the dust of India's past".
Underrated comment.
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What a line 👌🏻👌🏻
Best comment. 👌
Deeep!
When you say that British left us with some good things too after the colonisation, it makes me feel like they chopped off our limbs, helped us walk half a mile and walked away. And claimed that they were training us to walk. That thought is ridiculous.
Exactly...
The first university for education in the world was in India as TAXILA ..Britain is a thieves country by its qualities
@@amresponsibilitytakernotli9613 they are literally looter anyways. The amount of gold they looted even from Taj Mahal , like koi bhikari bhi aisa nahin karta shayad.
@@satwiksahoo482 they'll pay back ....natural resources will be vanish in uk ....and they'll import from india .........time is a cycle 😎
@@satwiksahoo482 tajmahal was also filled with gold which was looted from hindu temples basically..we are destroyed very bad in past centuries
When a bully hurts a kid the kid sometimes fights back. This does not prove that the bully taught the kid how to fight back.
I am Bengali from West Bengal state of India and my father, mother and my grand parents explained us the same true story our grand parents family died because of starvation created by British prime minister.
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@@vancedadder
British implemented Final Solution on India, just like Hitler implemented Final Solution on Jews.
Churchill
As per me, Churchill is the same league as Hitler. Churchill was good for British ppl but genocidal for Indians. Hitler was good for German non-Jews but genocidal for Jews.
The only reason the world tolerates Churchill is because Britain won and Germany lost.
The only positive impact of British is that it cemented Indian unity as we learned the hard lesson of being divided and getting conquered and looted.
My name is also Mudit and yes there is no diffrence between Churchill and Hitler
History is written by those who wins.
That makes people like Stalin the worst, committed genocide against other countries as well as his own citizens.
Exactly, gengis khan is a hero to Mongolia. However, a tyrant for others
Unfortunate thing is that we aren't exactly much united at present as well....definitely not as much as we should be considering that most modern day wars are usually not fought with weapons
This is why i have so much respect for Germany, they acknowledged their crimes and said sorry
And paid reparations for years.
@@charlie7mason Still are
True , at least they know and accept it...This is what human decency is.
And now they hate india more than Pakistan
@@buzztube1738 Sure, given the UK's stance on Quad & their military deals with India against China, they sure do love Pakistan more than India. Also, they even shovered their love on Pakistan when they voted in the UN against Pakistan's stance on Taliban.
As far as education is concerned, first school in England opened in 1811 and that time India had 7,32,000 Gurukuls ( schools ). British didn't helped India grow in education sector but they destroyed the Gurukul system and had put their English education system. We were always self dependent and were actually masters of science and mathematics. ( Also, other subjects ).
In case of infrastructure development, just have a look at the ancient temples of India. They were real marvels on Earth.
Jai hind. 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳
Even I do agree your point... As you know everything in detail do the gurukula education is for all? Whether it is for all the caste? Do the common man is allowed to it? I really want to know man.. please provide me the answer i need to know that in curiosity please
I would also like to know man. Were the gurukuls allowed for everyone? (Regardless of gender, caste or status in society)
@@deepayanbindhani7073
Please read my comment to the above reply. I have answered your queries there.
Lmao when did gurukuls allowed us to learn? Aren't they only for so-called upper castes.
Don't let patriotism blind your rationale, mate.
@@MukilShelby if gurukuls are not allowed for everyone then they don't deserve to exist. That's it.
Being a bengali we all heard these stories of the destruction... our forefathers have suffered a lot as they were from Bangladesh... we heard their sufferings from our parents and really despise brits for there deeds!!!
*British does not united us.. they divided us in* India, Nepal, Bhutan, Sri Lanka, Mayanmar, Pakistan, Bangladesh & Afghanistan.. *These all countries are a part of Indian Subcontinent that was called as "Hind" at that time..*
Akhand bharat jald lautega 🇮🇳🇮🇳🔥🔥
Yes..there main moto was 'divide and rule'
Not at all true. India was never a single country including Pakistan, bangladesh, Sri lanka... It was ruled many different of rulers. It was many regions. Because to fight against British, we all cane together but in the end also, everyone needed their own country. It was not the British's idea for Partition. But Ofcourse they did the worst job in partition.
@@aartinagargoje2946 the Maratha Empire United India from south india all the way to gandhar which is present day Afghanistan.
Hind is arabic term used for us we never called ourselves hindus or hindustani we called our self aryas of people from aryavant
Yes, Indians now speak English in masses. But my personal opinion is that India would have reached here anyway because we had multiple people residing, studying, working, exchanging thoughts in west even before British came into Indian subcontinent. We’ve always been globally sound and adapting. One such example is a barrister of Indian origin in South Africa and known to world as Mahatma Gandhi :)
Tharoor has a whole book on this
Edit: seeing this specific video only now, the book (launch?) seems to be the base for the discussions
Exactly!!
The same Gandhi who threw the British away with his charkkha..isn't it?? 😂
On the hindsight, it would have been possible that one of the Indian languages like Hindi would have been a global language instead of English just because of the number of people speaking it.
How Gandhi is an example for what u r saying? He was born in British India.
I am from Bengal, India ( Kolkata, capital of Bengal was also capital then)about what he is talking about... each and every word he spoke is 100% right... How much we hv suffered under British colonization.. u can't even imagine...
I'm sorry, you didn't even exist at the time so you didn't suffer at all. For f*cksake, are you slow in the head?
Also, before the British it was the Mughals and they were worse comparatively speaking. Also, if you got conquered by some island half a world away, that is because your country was already trash. You outnumbered the colonizers and still couldn't do anything. THAT was the strength of your nation. Some country that weak has no right to complain when others take advantage, it is the law of nature, stop complaining and get good at the game.
Peoples don’t know the difference between a modern nation & a civilisation state !!!
Civilisation state is itself a nation
Even though india wasn’t united but every single indian of that time acknowledged this land as Hindustan or bharat ( india )
From past thousands of years this has been acknowledged as a single entity…….. ……….
THEY did not UNITE us. WE UNITED US.
Yeah I agree. It's because of Sardar Vallabh bhai Patel, all kingdoms were united !!
but gandhi gave up the partition
We United Us ❤️
Hopefully Indians and Pakistanis one day unite too. Before the Britishers came, we all used to live together without harassing each other and now both sides just hate for no reason
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Saying that look at the 'bright' side of British imperialism is like telling a molestation victim to "look at the bright side, at least you got some 'action' "
Sorry if this analogy comes across as offensive, but i see no other way of explaining how stupid and insensitive that argument is.
This analogy was offensive but really well set. It gives you the idea
True
Just because the rapist is a "king" doesn't make him right even when he gives all wealth and luxury to the victim after committing the crime.
U are absolutely right
Disturbing analogy but it fits the best.
"And Britishers are proud of their colonization history "
That's way I love Germany
Yeah Indians and Germany are similar....Great at gassing each other...India kills 2 million people per year by air pollution....
Outstanding interaction
Shashi is an excellent orator with the immense treasure of historical facts
Thanks for airing this
I want more Shashi Tharoor in my country. You can hate Shashi Tharoor but you can not deny the fact that he always speak *TRUTH*
Not always ..
Watch the debate between J Sai Deepak and Shashi Tharoor. Shashi may not lie but is a pro at white washing certain parts of India history, the same quality he is accusing the British of. He focusses only on economics and has forgotten the effects of coloniality on India minds.
You haven't seen J.SAI DEEPAK yet, he tears Shashi tharoor left right and center.
whenever shashi start losing a debate he changes track and try to sugar coat things. When it does not work his last argument is history is waste of time so we should go into debates that this happened and that happened.
No he doesn't always speak the truth.. The British are an easy target, real truth comes when you face the buthering of millions of Indians before the British came in.. real truth comes when you acknowledge the ugly history that marxist historians wrote to hide genuine Indian history with the connivance of the congress governments, in exchange of marxist support from Russia
How did everyone forget about Sardar Vallabaih Patel?? He played major role in uniting india better than British and moreover, India is being called "India" far before British entered
Exactly, he was the one who united all the regions, kingdoms and states to what now it is called India. We have the biggest statue of his image literally called Statue of Unity.
But cast system and Brahman monopoly destroy after british that one thing good
I am a indian...❤️ I LOVE India.and indian people...
india's peoples is my sister brotherss..
English is not a necessary language to be learnt. There are so many well developed countries who are running very well without knowing English. And knowing English is not a measuring standard of education.
yes and india being the global trader and relatively cosmopolitan welcoming cultures we were, we would have assimilated and learnt English more organically
Churchill was to Indians (esp bengalis) what Hitler was to Jews. Only difference - He ended up on the winning side in WW2
A country can rise and fall.
A kingdom can rise and fall.
But ,
The story will never die , it can stand with the time ...
The Britisher's atrocities will never be forgotten , it's a scar on time . A scar which cannot be treated .
We definitely need to have podcasts of Shashi Tharoor.👏🏻
15:52 India actually has revoked Section 377 of Constitution that criminalizes being LGBTQ+ shortly after this video was recorded (not because of this video though ). In Hinduism it was actually legal being a gay, transgender etc.Only at that time they did not know it was actually because of sexual hormones , that's why they created concepts like Ardhnareshwar(meaning half man+half woman). Hatred against LGBTQ was actually spurred in Indian society when Abrahminic cultures started pouring in due to invasions.And then the Brits came along and criminalized being gay by law with the help of section 377,which was then very hard to revoke even after 70 years of Indian independence.But the SC and the "Modi government" did it anyways after so many protests by LGBTQ rights groups.
Do you know what Ardhanareshwar means, it means Shiv and shakri(parvati) in one body.
"India was not united before the British" is a false notion. There are two aspects of this.
Culturally, India was united for at least 4000 years. Recent archeological excavations confirm that as a civilization India, or Bharata, was one.
If you take into account the modern definition of a country, with a unifying political entity, then-No it was not for a long time. However, There still were instances when one ruling kingdom reigned over most of present India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan.
But then that answer will be incorrect w.r.t Indian history.
At the time British invaded us the country was not united. It doesnt matter that there was a brief period of unity centuries ago. The british were able to rip apart India piece by piece and place puppet kings because the country was not united. But yes I totally agree that the british did not unite India. Infact their main agenda was divide and rule. They just wanted to loot our country for thier benefit and that's it. I believe it was the fight against the british that united our country and the credit to that goes to our freedom fighters.
Bro the reason the British got us was because we weren’t United. You can’t argue with that
cultural unity? thats like saying the western countries are one bec similar culture
*INDIA WAS UNITED UNDER THE MARATHA EMPIRE TILL AFGHANISTAN. THE BRITISH TOOK OVER FROM THE MARATHAS AND NOT THE MUGHALS. BUT NO ONE KNOWS THIS.*
@@John-yi3yl india was always united through a same identity regardless of different kingdoms..the smallest example you might see is a joint family where each brother has their own family and rooms and has various fights amongst still has the same identity..west would never understand cus they for one has always the notion of “only one”..take for example their god🙏🏻
You guys are amazing. I love how you analysed and picked most complex nuances of the talk. Hats off. Pls bring more of such stuff.
KARMA always has it's way. British was very very bad for our country Bharat🕉️ JAI BHARAT🎉JAI SRI KRISHNA🎉
Yeah Christian(Native white) population is less than 50% in UK..
This is why I have huge respect for Germany.
They acknowledged their crime unlike UK
Flawed Logic Jaby. You are treating India's integration with the world as a binary phenomenon; either through the British or without. The world is not linear. Britain's colonization of India had nothing to do with technological advancements around the rest of the world. To assume that if the British had not ruled India, the latter would be down in the dumps is a very probabilistically poor argument.
Yes it did what? British were the ones that kick started the industrialization period. especially after WW2. Then it changed to an arms race, which obviously changed into information warfare which is, directly and indirectly, caused the massive technological bubble to pop.
@@condha1044 Ottomans and the French had the first start. Britishers just used them and improved further and they got the money to improve and found a captive market in the Colonies. Why would any Capitalist invest money in R&D without getting returns? Where were the Brits getting these profits from? Primarily the Colonies which were still rich before the Evil Empire looted their resources, raw materials and drank their blood. How do you plan to get away from truth?
@@ladybug4364 That's not true, It depends on which time period you are looking at, for example in the 20th century almost all of the research and development funding in britian came from wall street. Indian espically was a burden to the british due to the cost of mainting a massive army there, and also due to china being mdist of a civil war and having to deal with the japanese, which made it so britian could not trade indian made goods to any near lands. By the late years of the british india was a burden, hence why they gave it up.
Man loved when you mentioned you knew this after playing MGS Solid , i have dozens of memories playing that game! one of the reasons i started watching ur videos was because you always had Solid Snake’s poster behind you !
Inglorious Empire written by Shashi Tharoor touches on all these questions and some more about the British in India. I think that's the book he was referring to. It's an interesting read.
If the present British population is taught about colonialism, the first thing I would expect Brits to do (if they are sincere), is ask her Queen to return all looted diamonds and museum artifacts. Why does she proudly wear the looted Kohinoor? Does she not feel ashamed?
Why do British museums still display looted artifacts from India and other nations?
They would never do it ....cause the people have made an image of queen that the is the best or whatever they feel ,like queen cannot do anything wrong ,so it would be a big shock for people that most of the things around them even their history is of being a scammer ....which their gov dont want
@@relaxxx13 I agree that ppl dont want to accept fault even if shown with clear evidence.
They have never been taught for purpose !
Just. Like this video explains clearly current Afghanistan situation! How it’s related you would know if understand current situation and Durand line !
@@yashwanth5179 Its an internet world. You learn more online than you do in class.
when they talk about education, I would like it point out that Indian education and educational centres existed long before britshers came. Us Indians are stuck with a mediocre Educational syllabus because of the Britishers. We had educational centres to which travellers from all around the world, came, stayed, wrote about, learnt and left. We still cannot fathom how many Indian Temples could have been built using the Construction tools Indians were predicted to have back in the days. No way they did all that without understanding physics and Engineering. The Britishers came and destroyed our knowledge. India has Yoga, Indians have excelled at Ayurvedic medicine. There are Forest Tribes that can treat snake bites simply using Ecological resources. Im not saying our knowledge and way of life is superior. The problem arose when a group of people said that very thing. they called themselves superior. Im saying we had our own way of existence, education. The education system that we have today are all based on what the britishers thought were necessary. We still have so many traditional medicinal knowledge that is not learnt because it never sees the daylight. All we learn is what the britishers assumed were important thereby erasing our individuality from existence.
Shows how much you know. What was the ‘syllabus’ of Indian education. Astrology, Ayurveda and mugging some math formulae, with zero scientific temper. Infact scientific temper and education was denied to the masses under threat of life.
Remove romantic thoughts of history and realize what exactly happened.
Ok the Brits left India more than 75 yrs ago. Why are we still stuck with their system which is faulty according to you.
Its true but now we r in 2022. Things will change significantly from now on. With the coming of high speed internet, everyone has access to internet. What govt. should do is make sure internet is available to as many people as possible. GOI should create education channels on youtube or create a website where such resources can b compiled for anyone to study. One thing, I would say is the moral responsibility that Govt. both center & state have, is to educate children clearly about what is right & what is wrong and educate children about rape because internet is wild wild west, it could lead to rise in crime against women too if schools & parents dont do their job right. Banning porn isn't a solution because things like VPN will always exist on internet
@@tushars4038 Turns out you've never opened a DTH channel offered by Swayam Prabha. They provide educational programmes 24x7. It is a great effort, I would say.
@@ashwinleonard no need to be so hasty. All i mean to say is education band world as we know of now? All this education we think is "proper education" maybe totally different. We've heard of the butterfly effect, yeah?
I'm just saying every country has its own special knowledge. And we needed to cherish that. Instead here we are idolizing the Britishers, including their accents. I also believe there needs to be better hope and we need to improve. Mugging math only came after independence because we got stuck with the British syllabus and failed to improve it which is our own fault.
I absolutely agree with you on the front that education was denied to the masses, but who is to say it wouldn't have improved? Rome wasn't built in a day. It's like saying we should be happy the Britishers built us railways. We'd have gotten there someday. I prefer to get to a better place without losing millions of lives as slaves! Since we're theorizing it's okay to romanticise things, atleast the reality won't be far off from it as opposed to having a pessimistic view point. It's all theory. No one's wrong here. Let's be nice to one another at the least.
Actually Tharoor, out of his dislike for Modi, said some completely misinformed opinions about him. Modi has never in his entire political career spoken against any religion whatsoever.
Maybe, maybe not. But Modis actions have spoken louder than his words.
16:04 you have all my respect Jaby. I said exactly what you said as soon as I witnessed it. Love from Rajasthan, India
India had Gurukuls( Traditional Indian education System) .Every village in 1820s Reference, ‘Dharampal’s research on census Carried out by the British’ in the same time had these Gurukuls. Our literacy was more than 90% in the 1800s & The Maratha empire was the major ruling power in the subcontinent & restoring Indian Cultural places (Reference: Temples restored by Ahilyabai holkar). Problem is that Brits needed clerks to manage their affairs for the Raj. Thus they systematically destroyed the Indigenous educational system & Introduced convent education & through that education, They created a systematic effort to turn Indians against their own culture as they saw Indians inferior their education did as well. So whoever ( Indians mostly) got that education, and turned against their own culture. & worked as sepoys for the British. In India we still are fed that stupid Macaulian education & turned against our own culture.
True...yes and india was one country under maratha empire before the brits...check on the map the stretch of maratha empire...it will surprise you against all the wrong notions spread about how india was a fragmented country before the brits..
So true man so true
So true
@@PSvarx don’t forget the countless ancient universities that were plundered. They claim gifting education to a country who invented ‘universities’.
@@Bot-br5jz Correct. India was not just a trade hub but a learning and knowledge centre as well.
Its not that India was able to achieve everything discussed in the first question BECAUSE the British ruled but rather India learned everything DESPITE the British atrocities
7:22 that's one heavy bomb he dropped there. One of my favorites from him 🙌
Mr Tharoor is a man of honour for all Indians.
Shashi Tharoor represented us better than anyone there. He took the questions better than anyone
Being an indo-caribbean, Shashi Tharoor made me proud of my indian heritage . I also enjoy this channel because these folks dont just play a premade video but have commentary
24:37 He is a scholar in International Affairs and was a brilliant official at UN for nearly 40 years rising through the ranks and even finished second in the 2006 selection for UN Secretary General to Ban Ki-moon. He began writing at the age of 6 and till now has written 23 books in English about politics and international relations.
He would have been heading the UN if it wasnt for Condoliza Rice.
He is also a parliament member in India from the state of Kerala
He said everything what i thought in my 3rd to 6th standard school books taught me. 😅❤️
The fact that the Indians who say that britts United us have never learnt the real history or may have forgotten the mauryan empire, gupta empire, ashoka empire, chola empire, pandya empire plus the mughal like akbar. The Brits ruled on the philosophy of divide and rule. It's just so bizarre that fellow Indians think Brits reunited us lol we never needed britts to unite if they remember the revolt of 1857. It's not brutt who reunited us it was sardar vallabh bhai Patel who led us to where India stands now.
You forgot Maratha empire bro Pakistan attok to Bengals kattak 👑🙏
AS AN INDIAN I GURANTEE YOU THAT EVERY SINGLE WORD "MR. SHASHI THAROOR" HAS SPOKEN IN THIS VIDEO IS ABSOLUTE TRUTH. SO GLAD YOU REACTED TO THIS.🙌
No
Except about Modi govt 👍🏼👍🏼‼️‼️
@@YESHWANTHGunthapally yeah
@@YESHWANTHGunthapally lol
Just think man why the world was fighting to rule india.
Columbus found America in terms to find India
Spanish , Portuguese, Dutch , Mughals , British every one knew the potential of India
If British never came to India, the world would be speaking Indian languages in an effort to get a taste of that civilisation.
Don't worry.. it will happen in a few decades :)
The 200 yrs of British rule is not rule it's loot.Whereever British went to conquer and rule they wiped off the local people, even in Australia and NZ they wiped off aborigines and Maoris.British rule has left nothing in India and the infrastructure they build was for their benefit and not for locals. India has literally come out of ashes.India came out of poverty,hunger, poor education and lot of social issues.Britain could not wipe off Indian traditions cos it's deep rooted and no one can wipe it off .Even mughals tried to wipe off Indian tradition but they didn't succeed
Also what he is saying is right, Indian culture never had any issues with homosexuality, we never looked down upon it......you can read our scripture you can see our 2000-3000 year old temples where homosexuality is casually depicted through sculptures, it was projected upon us by the British
note how he sidesteps the influence of the invading cultures that preceded the british, wrt homosexuality. if one's being honest, be fully honest.
The look on that gora saab ka slave's face when he got hit with facts uhh soo good
When shahsi tharor start i have too much emotion comes out
Those people Achara refers to that called Churchill to tell him that Indians are dying aren't portrayed as good people. They are no different from slave owners trying to keep their slaves alive. They didn't advocate for Indian rights they advocated for rations to make sure farmers kept working and didn't revolt against the rule.
I'd honestly recommend you people to not react to things such as these without the sufficient knowledge because this is the reason why 50% of the people in India are still under the poverty line. This is a very sensitive topic that shouldn't be talked about publicly without a specific level of expertise or understanding unless you want to offend a lot of sentiments.
well although i agree that people should have sufficient knowledge before giving their opinions, we need to understand that the more its talked about, the more they hear about it. and the more its corrected. so its better for them to react, read the comments and build their understanding and knowledge. I completely agree. the British officials didn't ask for better rationing to protect us people, it was to save their own butts. To ensure they got sufficient rations to sell and store and trade and prevent uprisings.
@@dhairiyasundar1285 I don't know man, I've not seen enough videos of Jaby koay to form a proper opinion, but when he said that there are bright sides to british rule which is his channel and fandom, that was extremely disrespectful. Imagine saying that the millions of people dying had the upside that a insignificant reaction channel on youtube exists. The amount of narcissism and ignorance you need to say that is beyond me. He seems to think of himself as somwhat of an Indian or Indian expert while knowing nothing about the Indian experience and just watching youtube videos. This video offended me to no end. Im not saying that they're bad people or they intend to hurt others feelings but this is a sensitive topic. Imagine saying to black people that you were enslaved but now you have Kanye and Snoop dogg, they wouldn't say that because they know the severity, so they should also use the same metric for indian or any other oppression.
@@vaibhavmukherjee9830 he said thats the one small point. The other one was that the british were able to over rule the mughal empire which was geting violent day by day. For me that is thr bright side. Atleast the rule of the king was gone which wuld have been a horror to be in monarchy. And if british wuldnt have intervened we wuld have been another war torn country
And Indian society will never let india to rise above the poverty line . Extreme prejudice in a society , extreme lack of development
@@prachi6802 what about the other countries in europe who overcame monarchy by forming republics. Do you think our ancestors were incapable of a revolution similar to France? Do you ever imagine how different it could be if our country were not a 3rd world country? The negatives are so bad that its practically disrespectful to try to justify it.
As an Indian whose forefathers were displaced by the British when they took Indians out of India to work in their sugar plantations thousands of miles away in strange land, forgive me for not thinking about the British contribution. The stakes for the so-called development were too high.
This is a very sensitive topic because here we are- displaced and the British don’t even acknowledge their role, no remorse and then people have the gall to peddle the argument that the colonial administration did anything for Indian people- need to tread carefully here.
For Jaby, this is not a movie you are reviewing so please measure your words well.
no i have no remorse because it was at least 75 years ago
@@cooldude4643 bohttle of wotah🥰
@@cooldude4643 Ofcourse, which country can be as shameless as yours to take so much pride on a bloody barbaric colonial empire and its ghastly crimes against humanity.
"British 'developing' India" = locking people up and making them work to the bone, don't let them improve on their own, only only only let them learn brainwashing rhetoric. Then sprinkle a few crumbs from the bakery the people made for the oppressor, then have the oppressor say "you would have starved to death without our benevolent sharing of OUR wealth." While he takes your papers and crosses off the resident's name and writing his into it (thievery) and saying "the GDP of India grew under my rule!"
Why then was Indian literacy only 17% by the end of 100 years of British oppression, but now 86%?
I have a line from Stormlight Archives for this ,
Kaladin : Ten spears go to battle,” he whispered, “and nine shatter. Did that war forge the one that remained? All the war did was identify the spear that would not break.
One vs many and he can still destroy everyone 😂 , the lightning speed of those answers 🔥🔥🔥
Jaby my friend, If British didn't come to India & Muslim invaders haven't come to India. Then India might b the biggest economy in the world right now. We would still b having this conversation because India would have invented the internet & computers because indians were the ones who invented zero, Pentium chip, usb & wireless telecommunication. It would have been an Indian, who build the google & youtube. U don''t have to worry, we would still b able to communicate, just the topic would b something else.
right broo ,,,,
There were Sumerians calculations before zero. Just want add the fact that,not because of zero internet is running. Zero is not an invention
@@Johnwick-nc5ci Sumerian ? Calculation ? Who can read Sumerian ? Its a dead language because no one can read it. Math existed before zero. If u think Math started with zero, then u r wrong. U could do all sort of calculations using that but ZERO is something. Importance could only b understood by students of Math & Science.
@Sanjana Roy vedas are kids of Sumerians
A new documentary is out called Silence of Swastika....Basically shows how the Nazi symbol was carefully renamed to Swastika to perpetuate a particular colonial idea. Try checking that out.
😂 swastika has been mentioned years before even christ was born, leave Hitler
Yes...so was the non sense Aryan Invasion Theory which is has been disproved by the recent genetic studies done at Rakhigarhi excavation. Economic loss is one thing, colonialism robbed Bharat of it's own unique worldview, ethics, relationship with nature and the India you see right now is one trying to desperately cast or catch up by aping the western development model. Both Right wing and left wing people are equal victims where original Bharatiya roots have been lost.
2:47 well that guy smiling behind is a great great historian ABHIJIT CHAVALA sir and I have never found someone better than him except Praveen Mohan who explains Indian history....that well he is totally ocean of knowledge...
It was a very knowledgeable debate...👌🏼🇮🇳
I understand that ur thinking is earnest when u say if not for British, u might not have met us and this thing wouldn't have existed. MIGHT....being an important word. People have suffered and died horrendously..if the outcome of not suffering that much pain and trauma is not having met Jaby or found his channel...I think I am okay with that exchange.
U are one of the really good thing to happen to us and yes u have impacted us immensely but if we can give that up for not having the horrors of British India, we most certainly would give u up so our ancestors can live peacefully
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right? Things could be so different. I will still stick to my usual argument that we had to go through that pain only because we are capable or probably the only country capable of recovering from 200 years of colonization. and maybe we are all Indians today because of the colonization. But none of that would amount to anything if i can go back in time and lose all this to save those millions of lives. things happen for a reason, doesn't make it right. i can accept but cannot forgive or forget what's happened, especially when Britishers have still not officially apologized for what happened to us. Britishers stole everything from us right under our nose, called us uncivilized, made us slaves, used our own labour for manufacture and sold our things to us. When they were afraid of invasions from North East and North, they forced the hands of the Amirs of Sindh and took control of the land for themselves. Horrendous activities. they owe us an official apology. the only reason they haven't done it yet is to save face. So disrespectful.
This deserve to be in top of the comments.
I think he meant that as an example and not as literally as u made out to be in ur comment...
@@champagneproblemz7386 i know that he used this as an example. What he is trying to do is focusing on the positives so that we can move on and i appreciate it but my grandparents were born in colonial India. It's not that far in past that we can easily forget as how he is making out to be by low balling and making us understand Churchill's pov..I cannot in my good conscious agree to that
Alright the thing is, Churchill might have done a lot for Britain and he was hailed as a hero there and while it is fair that an official of a country would always look after the interests of their own, the fact remains that before independence, India was a part of the British Empire and were "subjects" of Churchill's beloved Queen! To hate an entire country and it's population so deeply that you wouldn't give them the basic rights despite exploiting their resources mercilessly makes you inhumane and I refuse to acknowledge any 'buts' about it.
He did a lot for the world frankly, not defending all the words he spoke or the actions he did not take. but, he was a man needed in the world at the time. Without him it was very possible that we would live in nazi germany.
@@condha1044 His grit in war was admirable in terms of the outcome it brought but at the core of it laid selfishness and though the result is what we look at today, we often forget the so called "collateral damage". He razed through the masses of the British colonies who gave them their war supplies, their armies and their rations. To refuse them medicines and food, well... it made Churchill responsible for more deaths than Hitler was, in terms of number. Its ironical that one is condemned a tyrant and the other hailed a hero.
@@shubhrasingh3321 He was not admired for the war effort, he was admired for the morale has provided to the British people. and his courage to say no to Hitler when almost anyone else would have tried to make peace. Churchill never acted in a selfish way for himself. He had principles he lived up to it. When Chamberlin tried to make peace with Hitler and signed the treaty. Churchill back home said "You were given the choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor and you will have war." That's not true most of the supplies came from america, and no what Churchill does not have the same amount of "kills" as hitler. The entire war started due to him, so if we are going by your silly correaltion theory then that would amount to like 80 million lives.
@@condha1044 my silly correlation theory has been acknowledged in public platforms so I am not looking for your validation here, nor am I trying to convince you of my point. I just firmly stand by it and you're entitled to the same. You're tenaciousness won't invalidate my opinion, my friend. Have a good day!
@@shubhrasingh3321 Okay dude what does that even mean? What does public platforms mean? Like twitter and youtube? A few people liked it? agreed with you? How does that matter? I called it silly, and explained why it was a weird and dumb argument. so, go off. Of course, you are entitled to your opinion, my friend. It's just that it's a wrong and stupid opinion.
Salute for our real hero netaji subhas chandra bose ❤️🇮🇳❤️
He is so influencing with that facts and figures, and arguments. i wasn't expecting the answer the he would come with such a rebuttal.
Looking for the 'gain' of Indians through the British rule is like a killer saying,' even though I killed your father, your soil is more fertile because of it and also it helped population control.'
A book called "Bhookh" means hunger written by Amrit Lal Naagar based on the starvation of Bengal in 1943 era. This book is detailed description and I personally feel this. I was crying during the reading book. British rule died for ever and world won't never see such cruelty.
Word of advice for Brits: Don't stop admiring Churchill for his WW2 leadership but also don't overlook his crimes. You must accept the person you admire with both their achievements and their failures. Get motivated from success and get educated from the failures
Stop admiring churchil... I would say
Yeah right Jaby, we suffered 200 years. You are like "look at the positive now, you can watch me and we are friends".
Indian engineer was far ahed from today's modern engineering, react to the ancient temples build amd scientific reasons behind it..
Exactly
Sir,
"Zero" = "Binary System" = "Coding" = "CZcams" = "Jaby YT Channel".
"Gratitude for your creativity" Sir.🙏🏽
Jaby bro where did you get that T-Shirt?
The Batman printed on your T-shirt is actually my digital illustration design. I put it on 'Fine Art's America'. Did you get if from 'Fine Art's America'?
Dude where did you buy that batman t-shirt. I always wanted to get that so badly from long time. I live in the states too....Can you share a link ?
You two react to his videos but I would suggest reading one of his books. We’d love to know what you think.
We don't care what they think
There was many answer for the question "Indians learn from British" In social studies, I accept only one answer "Haircut"😂😂😂
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India has a whole has a civilizational history of 5000 plus years. It’s extremely ignorant of host to say that it were British that brought India under one political system. Read about the maurayas, the Guptas, the Marathas.
"As long as you try to deny and forget(erase)the bad you did, the good you did will never persevere"
Now India has started speaking on the topics they feel on the pages of history are wrong & must be rewritten. This urge defines what India & its people have become today...Up from colonialism 🙌
Edit: for those of who think that British taught us to make building & made us educated. Sorry! we made better buildings b4 that & the pathshala system is still effective in modern times !!
To your point Jaby, if Britishers had not ruled India, we would have still connected with each other. But probably the language of communication would have been Sanskrit or any other native Indian language and not English. It is similar to how developed nations are approaching India as a big market. Instead, they would have probably looked at India as a big University to obtain knowledge in various areas like Yoga, Ayurveda, mathematics, cosmos, space, engineering etc
Love you guys
Our ancient vedas has all astronomical like believed earth is round centuries ago and medicine as transplants as well basic weapon and mathematics that told even the most civilised society with great architectures that are over thousands of years older
India is always puts love humanity and spirituality over anything for all 🇮🇳🇮🇳Jai Hind
I will definitely agree with the point made my Jaby that how other countries are already developed are now forcing and pressurizing us to not spread pollution
We have no idea what could've happened if the British never entered India. But I would much rather take that over genocide.
Jaby knew he was digging a hole for himself then he diverted toward multiverse 😂😂😂🤣
Well that's what I too observe...😂😌..
Effect of too much marvel
There's actually a video on CZcams where the culprit of Jallianwala bagh massacre General dyer's grand daughter sits for a conversation with an indian guy whose greatgrandfather was a survivor of the massacre
The conversation starts with her asking him if his great grandfather was a looter and that blew my mind.
We can't expect the one who concured to not exploit. What's surprising is their denying it and in fact trying to portray it as a something great.
How can someone say that British did some positive things too besides the horrible stuff its like saying that the villain help in the character development of the protagonist and gave him the strong resolve to fight for Justice by brutally murdering every member of his family.
They said that the british united India in a way but they dismantled the Maratha empire which almost ruled the whole of India into many princely states whose rulers accepted the british rule and pay taxes to the british like you see in the movie Lagaan.
India in 17th century had resources,knowledge and people... India would have caught up with the world with that workforce backed by resources...Democratic influence,language,railway could have been adapted as the british were already trading with India.
Agreed the positive changes still the bad overcomes the good; maybe today pakistan,bangladesh and India would've been one united country...
Thank you for being honest, Jaby and Achara.
We are born in a unique land , this soil has United us like never before , we will take back what was and is our ...
Just remember Sardar Udham; You saw the movie and it was so devastating and dark but we just see it as a movie based on true events but imagine it as a real life incident in today’s time! This was the old British.
Wat a genius man... So respect to mr. Tharoor ❤️❤️❤️❤️
Dai ne mallu taney ?
I strongly oppose the fact told by jaby that "there are positives that come from it". If you read the Indian history you will come to know that there are no positives in the British loot in India. The roads, transport was made good for the purpose of the Britishers. Nothing can be done good if someone has a intention to rob some place. I am not at all happy to see Jaby and Achara making those statements without knowing the actual history.
India before Brits came was what you'd refer to as Jana Padas, conglomerates of villages which then would constitute a State or kingdom. There was democracy to certain extent. Each kingdom had military relations with one another. Defended themselves when outsiders attacked.
Now what,we reclaim our postion ,whole world work for indians,jai hind
Just a reminder, MARATHA EMPIRE WAS THE LAST INDIAN EMPIRE! NOT mughals!
mughals were eliminated by Marathas!
Marathas teamed up with British and attacked Mysore, Karnataka. What you wanna say about that?
@@drmahanthashok3685 lol all Indian Muslim Kings were sided with british
@@riderchallenge4250 point is people should stop making shivaji, Marathas a national hero. They weren't great. They were just opportunistiscs just like every other ruler. No offence
@@drmahanthashok3685 thats because sultans in south teamed up with French
@@riderchallenge4250 no...tipu sultan and many other muslims kings in south were on the side of the french.
As an Indian i thank god that British ruled us for 400 years so that we Indians will get the opportunity to interact with jaby at the end of it.
C'mon man think before you speak.
And regarding Churchill you can't say he has some positive and some negative, did slavery had any positives in USA?? Then in accordance to your statement i guess for the people who enslaved these people it was postive for them but not for slaves. There is saying in India you can't sale in two boats simultaneously, or you will drown.
Ill request you to stick to Bollywood, don't indulge yourself in history and politics or either have a clear stance.
P.S- i never comment on anything, i think this is my first comment in my 20yrs on CZcams and you made me do it 😂😂.
Cheers.
It's called getting a big head from all the fandom
Exactly, he doesn't want to get involved after reacting to a video like this and saying what he said,
I think he meant that this was one small thing. He meant that english wuldnt have been such major here and we wuldnt be so westernised rgt now and we wuld be quite different. By his statement he means there were thing that happened which wuldnt happened otherwise. His thinking is wrong but it wasnt a blunt statement
You totally nailed it bro👍
He is not Indian. Don't expect him to react like us. It is now us as a country licking the boots of the Western imperialists like the US, UK. While fighting countries that suffered the same fate us like China.
I am from India Maharashtra-satara.I liked your way interrupting frequently in the middle of conversation,and giving sort of expert comment.
May I know the names of both ofyou please?
Which book from Shashi were they talking about?
React to J Sai Deepak vs Shashi Tharoor... Sai deepak is unbeatable in a debate and actually the first person I have seen to make Shashi Tharoor seem like nothing. Shashi Tharoor only talks about economics, but refrains from admitting the cultural genocide of both European and Middle eastern colonialism on India.
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A less competent should not judge more competent
@@user-nj6vp1hg5r If not J Saideepak, Dr.Vikram Sampath or Dr.Ananda Ranganathan are equally good .
Alright , so I am gonna give answers to some of the questions / misconceptions / misunderstandings that were not addressed in this video :
1. What would have happened to India if British never stepped in ?
Ans : India , in late medeival and early modern era , had in its presence, protuguese as well as french apart from Britishers. They were the ones who arrived before British and in several subsiquent wars of British against these foreign forces made sure that they don't have their presence in India. So it can never be the case of British not stepping into India because globalisation has been in India since ancient times. India was not created by british expats as in the case of America or Australia for that matter.
2. The British has given india infra, education , railways and administration system !
To comment on this, i have a very simple argument. Think of all the middle eastern countries and the wealth they have now by selling a single resource, that is oil
Now think of india prior to colonization ! Now decline of Mughals were inevitable and so is the rise of provincial kingdoms in the undivided India, but each community before the British raj was secular, progressive and growth oriented. So there might not have been an India as a nation, but there could have been an India as a subcontinent but the term has been just reduced now to a geographical context. Think of UAE or EU as a political unit, now imagine India like that. With no Pakistan, there would have been no 9/11 or no terrorism. Because in the very inception of it, pakistan was present. Infact Pakistan gave birth to terrorism.
3. As for justifying Churchill or taking the positive side of him , I would ask a simple question. Can you justify Osama bin Laden for doing what he did for his people by killing innocent lives? No right??? There is a not even a question of a fine line , it's either black or white and not grey at times. It's all about ethics, principles, values and humanity , concepts that India has upheld since centuries now and something that the western world has still never understood. No doubt about presence of Indians in Ancient Athens during the Socrates in discussions about polity and governance.
At last, i would like to say that the person you are talking about has been under secretary general of United Nations, the person who completed his PhD in his early 20s , the person who is one of the best diplomat and one of the most rational politician you will find in the entire world. Atleast read more about his works before commenting on him.
Anyway, we love what you do jaby. You give the best reaction in the whole world. I personally love the entire koay family and will expect more from you . You can turn to more serious and research related contents rather than just giving reactions to entertainment segment. Try to be more diverse in Indian content because there is a lot you are still missing.
The Headphones that Achara is wearing is the one I currently own and the one that Jaby is wearing is the one I really want . 😭