I know right? It took a weird turn when the host started attacking that one guy for studying in the US, when both Kashyap and Menzeses did that too..I get it, he wanted to stay in India, but went abroad to pursue research, like most of IIT batches in those days
True... like howcan we comment on his achievements ... although he didn't do what he aspire at the age of twenty but probably that was time when he was studying and during that period you always get inspired and motivated to do various things ... also doing research in Mathematics and developing new theorems is no joke ...
so true. not every human are blessed with abilities to understand in depth mathematics or physics. those who do, must not look any other way, thats so important for the progress of humankind.
See this is the problem. That victor guy was not aiming for a normal table job in an ac room. Whatever he was aiming for was great and what he achieved was also great. And his contribution to society is nothing more than what a normal you and me did. He always looked for himself(that’s not wrong) except that last 3 million donation which again most do. Not a dedicated public service man. Just a normal one. And the last guy TN was just a passionate guy. Not at all materialistic like Viktor guy. Only passionate people can go into research and become professors. Had he wanted material success then it would not have been hard for him. Lot easier than research. He’s just a passionate guy. Both in words and actions. He just helped with world’s understanding of a certain topic through research (no research support in India then and now too). If he were in India, he would have been wasted. Even Srinivasa Ramanujan had to go abroad. Overall both guys did how they talked and how they appeared.
In the defence of the last guy, it probably wasn't him who decided to leave the country but his parents. And he contributed to maths, which will forever be there to solve the problems worldwide.
@@iamhb1006 Are you sure you're replying yo me? I'm defending the guy here if you didn't get the memo.. and no matter what he was interested in (which was vastly different as said in the video), his parents had their role in his decisions.
Yep. Imagine at that time in India you said to your dad I'm gonna take a bunch of money and backpack across India for some philosophical idea/experiment . At the most crucial time of your career. Completely understandable why he didn't do it.
Damn I feel for TN. Can't even imagine what he went through to kill his optimism like that. I respect his vision for the future and I hope someone will take his legacy forward.
VICTOR AND SUBRAMANIAN BOTH CAME OUT JUST OPPOSITE OF WHAT THEY SAID. Rightly said, It is Life. Words don't matter much, Actions Do. Got to learn about so much through this video. Really thanks India in pixels and Jaby.
Not really, Indians proudly celebrate Ramanujan,Satya Nadella,Sundar Pichai, Paras Agarwal etc. Even they went abroad and contributed to science and tech. So why should his case be different.
@@pmaster1173 No we don't we identify it as a big problem, The brain drain... Offcourse they are fellow Indians we feel good that they are doing great in their life but we are not Proud of them. They are doing nothing for country except offcourse keeping India in headlines whenever we talk about CEOs in USA that's it. Going abroad is not bad, you learn so much but Never coming back and settling there just to escape the struggle they'll face here is kinda betrayal. Ofcourse it's their life their decisions but There's nothing for us to be proud of them...
@@thepathakarpit how is it betrayal? every indian has the right to choose their path in life. it's a right. the only thing a citizen owes its country is to follow the laws of the country, do some kind of work with honesty and integrity and pay taxes, if they choose to stay here. no one is obliged to do anything big for the country - but the people who do make big sacrifices or huge contributions through their talent, that is a gift. it's something we should be thankful to the person for - it's not their duty to do that but it helps the country advance.
@@thepathakarpit Lol they didn't do much for the world? The platform you're using right now and Google Chrome, access to instant information, microsoft azure cloud servers used by Indian companies and companies worldwide can all be credited to those CEOs. They've made a larger contribution to the world than Ramanujan. Even though Ramanujan was ahead of his time and was brilliant, the real world applications of his theorems are very limited and not that ground breaking.
@@thepathakarpit Also to your point, the same point of "maybe Ramanujan couldn't do here in India". The same could be said about all of those CEOs, do you really think India had a Silicon Valley or Seattle like industry for these CEOs to really shine? Besides, would you care to give me real world applications of Ramanjuan's Theorems? And how his theorems have more impact on society than Google Chrome or Microsft Azure for example?
One might look down on TN's achievements, but darn most of us would consider ourselves incredibly lucky if we achieve 1/100th of what he ended up achieving in life, in the field of Maths.
That victor guy was not aiming for a normal table job in an ac room. Whatever he was aiming for was great and what he achieved was also great. And the last guy TN was just a passionate guy. Not at all materialistic like Viktor guy. Only passionate people can go into research and become professors. Had he wanted material success then it would not have been hard for him. Lot easier than research. He’s just a passionate guy. Both in words and actions. He just helped with world’s understanding of a certain topic through research. Overall both guys did how they talked and how they appeared.
fr fr not even joking I'm legit getting goose bumps just watching this video man, how they are showing someone in their 20s making all these crazy claims, all these crazy dreams, these demands for a better future and then where they are today. Imagine you goto heaven and god just says remember when you said xyz in your 20s? well you could of done that had you did this and shows you the better alternative version your life could of gone down. You could of found the love of your life by 23, founded a billion dollar company by your mid to late 20s. Retired your parents and gave them a peaceful life by you're 30s and yet here is what you actually did. I recently turned 18 myself living in America I some times worry will my dreams in my 20s come true? will speaking to highly jinx my luck? 😅 when I'm my parents age complaining about my mischiefs will I have regrets? idk when but I started to believe at one point in life (idk if this counts as a philosophy) "that all the things/ideas/big step for mankind/progress that were meant to be and need to be made have *been* made that one day we will have nothing to improve, nothing to make better, no new idea to make into reality, but than the next day there is a big new development in tech, a huge progress exploring outer space, new AI" idk where I will stand in my 50s 60s if I will make it but I was here and that's what matters :)
just to clarify, Victor Menezes' (the overachiver) aspiration was to be an IAS officer, one of the most respected posts in India, with one of the world's toughest exams to crack. It wasn't an average salesman thing like you pointed out. Edit: I definitely recommend you guys react to one of the good mock interviews for IAS
That is your opinion. According to young Victor, the IAS officers are just cogs in the machine who serve their bosses (the government). In my opinion, it is true that IAS officers have power to bring the change but unfortunately, all they (most of them) care about is their job and and their own prospects. What Mr Menezes has achieved is undoubtedly a lot more than an average IAS officer can achieve. Edit: why are you endorsing a consumerist edutech company?
Well it was 1967 India, the IAS back then wasn't that competitive simply coz the population isn't what it is now and also most people neither had resources nor means to prepare and take on those exams.
@@kinggcharan never said he didn't do better than what he aimed for, just pointed out that being an IAS officer wasn't an "average company/sales job" like they commented
27:00 I think he is pointing out the absurdity of society. Where white collar crimes corruptions are left unpunished but when a pickpocketed steals to make their ends meet, society condemns them rather than rehabilitating them.
You are just reiterating what Jaby and Syntel said. But the original speaker, Shailesh Gandhi, is trying to imply that society does not have any problem with the theft (particularly people with power/wealth robbing common people), but society is only bothered when a pickpocket picks the theif's (those people with power/wealth) pocket. The pickpocketing is a metaphor. Now who is the pickpocket is unclear without the context.
26:40 - He is basically saying if someone steals your 15$ earphones(might be a silly example) you'll go mad at him, but if you're underpaid by 1000$ you'll live with it.
I am that last guy... I felt so bad for him... Believe me I would die for India and I'm now in Canada since last 8 months... I had tears in my eyes. I would want to be rich to change the system of India, even if I will be 85 or 100.
Same here, I wanted to join Armed Forces as Fighter Pilot, I was prepared to die for the country. But I was rejected and forced to join IT industry. Due to bad work culture, and other reasons I am in Europe now. Life is complicated.
Me realising while watching this video that my grandma was born in 1947. She was a teacher back then by the age of 20. Her knowledge wisdom and thoughts are something that makes me appreciate the era she lived in.
Uncanny that the director of this film had the eye to spot some gems while they were 20. Granted, some of them did not achieve moons and stars in their lives, but a majority of them actually were. Another observation - Myself being a product of Indian Institute of Technology hate to admit it but the quality of IIT grads has declined significantly over the years and I wonder who is to blame for that. Imagine if the quality had remained intact, or even improved - India as a country would have been in a completely different place on world stage..
Corruption, my friend. And I don't necessarily mean in terms of money. There are so many (mental, physical, psychological, environmental, etc.) corruptions taking place that have degraded the quality of education in this country and the zeal and willingness to learn among the people.
@@iamhb1006 I understand and concur with your central opinion regarding the quality of IITs actually improving. But, on a side not, I disagree with your take on the idea that "it [soft skills] has little place in the upcoming future". There are of course successful careers where soft skills don't matter as much, but there are many careers where soft skills matter a lot. Most senior management roles in corporations are given to people who have not only demonstrated exceptional hard skills but also soft skills. Even as an entrepreneur, you need soft skills when it comes to deal flow like M&A and raising capital with funding and/or investing. In fact, even in research you need soft skills to some degree (and this is coming from a guy who has a PhD in Physics). Hard skills matter a lot, more so than they ever have. However, soft skills aren't going out of business. They both matter. The idea that soft skills will barely matter is something I just don't see. Highest placements are generally offered to people who have not only performed well academically with their CGPAs and what have you, but have also demonstrated their hard and soft skills in a series of interviews. Not trying to say that highest placements and monetary privilege reflect success, what I am trying to say is that market will pay a hefty amount to people with hard AND soft skills. As much as we like to pretend that we are sophisticated logical robots, we still are emotional primates who love to hear pretty words before we make a decision.
@@iamhb1006 So, just to pick a few things... being better at English doesn't automatically mean being better with communication/negotiation skills. I agree that language skills and accents and stuff are overrated, but communication skills are very much relevant. The way you present the data, the way you explain it, the way you negotiate everything (purchasing/buying for a company, salary negotiation, deadline negotiation, project negotiation... teamwork collaboration) are very important things. As for professionalism, if we are mainly talking about back office roles like IT then yes, professionalism regarding dress code, colleague interaction etc is trivial (although soft skills will matter more the closer you get to CEO level even in an IT company). But on the front office/client facing roles, professionalism is as, if not more, important compared to previous century. When you call a hotel receptionist, you expect them to not only solve your problem but also be professional; when you are in the service/sell-side finance, you better be clear in your appearance and your communication. I think dress codes and stuff have gone down in importance (especially in covid with work from home policies), but communication etiquettes (regardless of whether you are speaking in hindi or english or any other language) are still very crucial.
fr fr not even joking I'm legit getting goose bumps just watching this video man, how they are showing someone in their 20s making all these crazy claims, all these crazy dreams, these demands for a better future and then where they are today. Imagine you goto heaven and god just says remember when you said xyz in your 20s? well you could of done that had you did this and shows you the better alternative version your life could of gone down. You could of found the love of your life by 23, founded a billion dollar company by your mid to late 20s. Retired your parents and gave them a peaceful life by you're 30s and yet here is what you actually did. I recently turned 18 myself living in America I some times worry will my dreams in my 20s come true? will speaking to highly jinx my luck? 😅 when I'm my parents age complaining about my mischiefs will I have regrets? idk when but I started to believe at one point in life (idk if this counts as a philosophy) "that all the things/ideas/big step for mankind/progress that were meant to be and need to be made have *been* made that one day we will have nothing to improve, nothing to make better, no new idea to make into reality, but than the next day there is a big new development in tech, a huge progress exploring outer space, new AI" idk where I will stand in my 50s 60s if I will make it but I was here and that's what matters :)
Back then cracking IITs was much tougher considering the resources were not as much available as now. And even with that someone who studied in those institutes would have to be considered genius not all at the same scale but surely with high intelligence and passion asa seen in the video.
He wanted to be IAS...where his main boss would be govt of India...that is essentially India only... And he married to miss india... he married to the most beautiful daughter of India...😜😄😄
Ohh jaby, IAS officer isn't a regular person. They're one of the most important people in bureaucracy. They're the ones that were shown in TVF's Aspirants show. The IAS(administrators), IFS(diplomats) are a breed apart. Truly some of the most disciplined and massively smart people.
@@iamhb1006 hmm u don't have any ias in ur family .... Cause they r the pillars and hv power to transform this country , establish law and order .... Control economic policy .... Idk what u think about ias but they become principle secretary and master minds behind govt initiatives
@@iamhb1006 ias form policies once they they reach secretary rank .... Not all ias are bad .... Not every ias take bribe either .... In Rajasthan sambhar lake drying up buy afforestation initiative saved the lake from dry up, Armstrong pame north east connectivity , mrs aruna woman empowerment, and many other marvelous officer are there.... U r blinded by main stream media ...that's y ur views are conceited .... If u think all are corrupt but again u wont understand unless u search out their works
TN must have been influenced by his family.. The family pressure, especially from south Indian family to become a academic pro is intense.. I think TN said what is in his mind but his life navigated him the other way.. We never know he might be living with his 20 year old self's dreams buried deep in his mind.
Stop randomly blaming parents. Parents may be supportive and the world may still crumble especially the best of potentials...because the ones with the most potential usually get very pessimistic
@@iamhb1006 It may be worked for him financially.. but is he happy..? Does his dream of a traveller's life fulfilled..? Most of us are living on top our shelved dreams.. Are you happy with what you are doing with your life..?
9:30 if someone wondering why that girl got married so early when she was just 8 year old. back in the day in some part of India child marriage where prevalent. people often marry there children at young age. but girls often don't go to thers husbend homes until there menstruation started.
Victor Menezes said that he wanted to become an IAS, not for doing service to the country but for all the facilities and the lifestyle. Along the way, he realised there is something that could give him a better and bigger lifestyle than being an IAS. He did achieve what he wanted and more than what he thought he could at that point. His desire for highest possible success stayed intact.
Yeah exactly that's what i thought he only needed money and a good lifestyle and he got it ..Not all can achieve what they dream so we have to appreciate it
I wouldn’t judge them by where circumstance of life took them. Sometimes there are unavoidable situations in family, personal life which can determine your future.
It hurts because TN represented our childish naive steadfast ideals and the wellspring of potential that we are (were) as young people. His 'failure' makes us question our own future and consider truly how hard the path of excellence is.
Do people realise it takes a lot of money to do what TN wanted? The weight of parents to look after, earning enough to feed yourself and have enough so there is something remaining when you are decrepit in old age when you cant work etc was not something you just randomly get irritated about.. We have NO right to judge his choices, just think that how even today a young man cannot actually pursue this goal in India without a LOT of savings
Wow... this is such a well made video! I usually comment at the reactions and stop at that but I have to go to the original video and give props to the creator of the video. Thanks Jaby for showing us this btw
@@dixonnash8219 Yes. On the sonification of money transfer through UPI. PM & other ministers also recognised his efforts and skills to create data sets.
To answer last question, India will be India, as chaotic as it is right now , but this and next decade it will make its presence felt to world, adding value (not just through money) to everything that exists.
Wow ! what a great video. I myself , in 1967 was working in a marketing job in DCM (a great company nowhere on the scene now), yet in 1975 moved to Osaka Japan with my entire family for better prospects. I still love my matrabhumi India & proudly carry an Indian passport despite overseas Indian having no voting rights. Also very muchly deprecate & despise the present administration's policy of generating animosity between Hindus and Muslims... God Bless India ! Jaihind Vande Mataram !
TN did speak his mind out!!! After going home, his parents would have taken his class and rest is history!!! That is how south indian homes were then!! Or he might have other family things come up!!!
My dad always say one thing-"the life decide something that we hate or unpredicted because life is full of surprises". When i watched this video I remembered this😊
It's Still a problem in india last year when i visited Maharashtra my relatives Neighbor's child got married at the age of 14 this Happened last year and i Criticized it i was about to call police but they said it's common in villages like up uk mp everywhere and also explained me why they're doing it it's not just their fault. 😐 the world is.... ?
@@Varun-uv4li so you know everyone in uk? Millions of people personally 🙄 Bro have some common sense and i naver been to uk or anywhere I'm from Hyderabad Telangana the only village i visited is in Maharashtra they told me it's normal in village's specially in UP, UK I'm A modern city girl I just got a shock seeing a 14 year's old marriage.
@Varun same like stop believing in baseless rumours and get your facts checked before talking about serious topics. I'm also from Uttrakhand and no, child marriage is not common that's all I have to add.
If Subhramanyam had did same in today's date, we all may have feel proud of him, atleast I will, he invented something. We feel proud to say that big big multi-billion companies CEO's are mostly Indians, sunder, paras, etc etc, they also didn't live in India, so why are we getting so harsh on him, he love maths, and there's something US may provide him what india didn't at that time, as india was not as develop as it is today. I know he didn't keep his words, but afterall ,life is one, and passion is everything , his passion was maths, he found good teaching there, so he go there, he found some opportunity to do something big in maths, so he stays there. I didn't see anything wrong in it.
Going to other county for opportunity is not bad, but when you become successful enough after going abroad one must contribute towards his home country otherwise one is just dealing his life in business terms. Giving no value to place that he was brought up and shaped his mind. It's like if my parents are poor I'll leave them forever to live with my to be in laws because from there i can get better resources to fulfill my desires. I have more respect for a labour who belongs to poor background, who do not have enough means to have meaningful education and goes to dubai or middle East to earn for his family rather than a guy who got education in a premiere government college funded by taxpayers just to never return and contribute to foreign land in terms of intelligentsia
@@akp57akp Disagree. You do you. Do the best you can for yourself. That is the best for the world. Therefore, that is the best for the whole world, regardless of country. You don't owe your country anything and the country doesn't owe you anything. Make a life for yourself.
I'm pretty sure that sintel has a science background. The way he talks about how bais is introduced really shows that he is a really knowledgeable man.
Well this video is simply amazing. It is well plotted and articulated. The script is simply great especially the last bits. And good that you guys kind of got involved in it even though its nothing to do with Indian cinema.
This video makes me feel so bad... I used to interview with My grandfather when he was in his late 80s with my 4000 rs Android phone.. I talked about his childhood days.. talked about his grandfather ... Talked about what was feeling that day India got indipendent... How our city and county changes years by years.. Interviewed till 2015 when he died at 90s.. I kept those recordings on phone...... And still today regret for not doing backup of those.. 2 years later my phone was stolen...
This video was quite interesting though. Like time capsule that give insights of the people back then about what they think about the future of India in next 50 60 years
Victor Menezes Funded a large convention center at IIT Bombay where I have spoken number of times. Shailesh Gandhi speaks about Right to Information Act (RTI).
Thank you Jaby and Syntell, you had put some more words regarding Subramanium than i shared... Yes that's 'life' and we can't be the same as we were 50 years ago.
Jaby and team..Hatsoff dude...U guys are finding some rare and most incredible videos that most of the Indians haven't watched..Until u react to it...Bless u gusy and keep rockin' better than the best in ur endeavors
Impressive!! I was able to recap all my past with such a clarity of how life happened (good, bad and ugly) to me. What's difficult to get a clarity on is "FUTURE" and this video helps in answering some of those questions. Jaby/Sintel, thanks for doing a reacting on it, else I wouldn't have found it on INTERNET.
He was talking about the society from that time where you can rob people in the name of doing work but you can't rob those people who robbed other people. He was genius.
At 27:00 I guess most did not get what he meant. That is not what he said. He said that "society doesn't have a problem with thieves" but has problem with "thief getting pickpocketed". Meaning that even a thief can loose his money to theft in India. That is how bad the problem of crime is (at the time when he was speaking. Probably in early 2000s). The gist of it was: Crime doesn't even leave criminals alone. That as a society, we fear the lawlessness that has taken over. This quote was apt for early 2000s. However, a lot has changed in India and this is no longer relevant. Just like many things about India. Most issues are getting resolved as we progress further into the future.
Video and audio recorded as separate stream, later would be muxed until VHS became more accessible. If it was a movie shoot, the streams would always be separate. Video film projector doing its own thing while the tape recorder\player relaying the sound to sound system in the premises simultaneously. There are still theatres like these in many villages in India.
I absolutely love that the best one got disillusioned with this world and lost his aspirations. That's what this cruel world made of humans does to the best ones.
victor menezes... is a chad. RESPECT ++
Gigachad
No wonder she got the Stacy
He has a Bully Maguire vibe 🤣
Ohh yeah Chad he is 🔥
Bro slammed it in every field he tried his hands on
I think T. N did great
He contributed his life to mathematics
That is a great deal. We need great minds in research. This job should be highly valued.
I know right? It took a weird turn when the host started attacking that one guy for studying in the US, when both Kashyap and Menzeses did that too..I get it, he wanted to stay in India, but went abroad to pursue research, like most of IIT batches in those days
True... like howcan we comment on his achievements ... although he didn't do what he aspire at the age of twenty but probably that was time when he was studying and during that period you always get inspired and motivated to do various things ... also doing research in Mathematics and developing new theorems is no joke ...
Totally agree
so true. not every human are blessed with abilities to understand in depth mathematics or physics. those who do, must not look any other way, thats so important for the progress of humankind.
See this is the problem.
That victor guy was not aiming for a normal table job in an ac room. Whatever he was aiming for was great and what he achieved was also great.
And his contribution to society is nothing more than what a normal you and me did. He always looked for himself(that’s not wrong) except that last 3 million donation which again most do. Not a dedicated public service man. Just a normal one.
And the last guy TN was just a passionate guy. Not at all materialistic like Viktor guy. Only passionate people can go into research and become professors. Had he wanted material success then it would not have been hard for him. Lot easier than research. He’s just a passionate guy. Both in words and actions. He just helped with world’s understanding of a certain topic through research (no research support in India then and now too). If he were in India, he would have been wasted. Even Srinivasa Ramanujan had to go abroad.
Overall both guys did how they talked and how they appeared.
In the defence of the last guy, it probably wasn't him who decided to leave the country but his parents. And he contributed to maths, which will forever be there to solve the problems worldwide.
yeah, he might have won a scholarship and his dad might have belted him if he didnt go
@@iamhb1006 Are you sure you're replying yo me? I'm defending the guy here if you didn't get the memo.. and no matter what he was interested in (which was vastly different as said in the video), his parents had their role in his decisions.
Yep. Imagine at that time in India you said to your dad I'm gonna take a bunch of money and backpack across India for some philosophical idea/experiment . At the most crucial time of your career. Completely understandable why he didn't do it.
Damn I feel for TN. Can't even imagine what he went through to kill his optimism like that. I respect his vision for the future and I hope someone will take his legacy forward.
VICTOR AND SUBRAMANIAN BOTH CAME OUT JUST OPPOSITE OF WHAT THEY SAID. Rightly said, It is Life.
Words don't matter much, Actions Do.
Got to learn about so much through this video. Really thanks India in pixels and Jaby.
Not really, Indians proudly celebrate Ramanujan,Satya Nadella,Sundar Pichai, Paras Agarwal etc. Even they went abroad and contributed to science and tech. So why should his case be different.
@@pmaster1173 No we don't we identify it as a big problem, The brain drain... Offcourse they are fellow Indians we feel good that they are doing great in their life but we are not Proud of them. They are doing nothing for country except offcourse keeping India in headlines whenever we talk about CEOs in USA that's it.
Going abroad is not bad, you learn so much but Never coming back and settling there just to escape the struggle they'll face here is kinda betrayal.
Ofcourse it's their life their decisions but There's nothing for us to be proud of them...
@@thepathakarpit how is it betrayal? every indian has the right to choose their path in life. it's a right. the only thing a citizen owes its country is to follow the laws of the country, do some kind of work with honesty and integrity and pay taxes, if they choose to stay here. no one is obliged to do anything big for the country - but the people who do make big sacrifices or huge contributions through their talent, that is a gift. it's something we should be thankful to the person for - it's not their duty to do that but it helps the country advance.
@@thepathakarpit Lol they didn't do much for the world? The platform you're using right now and Google Chrome, access to instant information, microsoft azure cloud servers used by Indian companies and companies worldwide can all be credited to those CEOs. They've made a larger contribution to the world than Ramanujan. Even though Ramanujan was ahead of his time and was brilliant, the real world applications of his theorems are very limited and not that ground breaking.
@@thepathakarpit Also to your point, the same point of "maybe Ramanujan couldn't do here in India". The same could be said about all of those CEOs, do you really think India had a Silicon Valley or Seattle like industry for these CEOs to really shine? Besides, would you care to give me real world applications of Ramanjuan's Theorems? And how his theorems have more impact on society than Google Chrome or Microsft Azure for example?
Just for your info, becoming an IAS officer isn't really a regular job 😅
Not a regular job, but it's predictable job.
Compare to that of what victor menezes achieved 😬
@@ms.550 Its not really predictable either. It has a lots of variables and challenges that come along with it.
maybe it was not as competitive back in the day. it's only 20 years after independence
@@pmaster1173 much less compared to Victor menezes résumé.
One might look down on TN's achievements, but darn most of us would consider ourselves incredibly lucky if we achieve 1/100th of what he ended up achieving in life, in the field of Maths.
That victor guy was not aiming for a normal table job in an ac room. Whatever he was aiming for was great and what he achieved was also great.
And the last guy TN was just a passionate guy. Not at all materialistic like Viktor guy. Only passionate people can go into research and become professors. Had he wanted material success then it would not have been hard for him. Lot easier than research. He’s just a passionate guy. Both in words and actions. He just helped with world’s understanding of a certain topic through research.
Overall both guys did how they talked and how they appeared.
That's exactly what I was thinking!!!!
exactly
fr fr not even joking I'm legit getting goose bumps just watching this video man, how they are showing someone in their 20s making all these crazy claims, all these crazy dreams, these demands for a better future and then where they are today. Imagine you goto heaven and god just says remember when you said xyz in your 20s? well you could of done that had you did this and shows you the better alternative version your life could of gone down. You could of found the love of your life by 23, founded a billion dollar company by your mid to late 20s. Retired your parents and gave them a peaceful life by you're 30s and yet here is what you actually did. I recently turned 18 myself living in America I some times worry will my dreams in my 20s come true? will speaking to highly jinx my luck? 😅 when I'm my parents age complaining about my mischiefs will I have regrets? idk when but I started to believe at one point in life (idk if this counts as a philosophy) "that all the things/ideas/big step for mankind/progress that were meant to be and need to be made have *been* made that one day we will have nothing to improve, nothing to make better, no new idea to make into reality, but than the next day there is a big new development in tech, a huge progress exploring outer space, new AI" idk where I will stand in my 50s 60s if I will make it but I was here and that's what matters :)
just to clarify, Victor Menezes' (the overachiver) aspiration was to be an IAS officer, one of the most respected posts in India, with one of the world's toughest exams to crack. It wasn't an average salesman thing like you pointed out.
Edit: I definitely recommend you guys react to one of the good mock interviews for IAS
I would take the vice president of Citibank and a miss india over IAS officer anyday.
That is your opinion. According to young Victor, the IAS officers are just cogs in the machine who serve their bosses (the government). In my opinion, it is true that IAS officers have power to bring the change but unfortunately, all they (most of them) care about is their job and and their own prospects. What Mr Menezes has achieved is undoubtedly a lot more than an average IAS officer can achieve.
Edit: why are you endorsing a consumerist edutech company?
Exams were not that tough and also not lucrative as they are today
Well it was 1967 India, the IAS back then wasn't that competitive simply coz the population isn't what it is now and also most people neither had resources nor means to prepare and take on those exams.
@@kinggcharan never said he didn't do better than what he aimed for, just pointed out that being an IAS officer wasn't an "average company/sales job" like they commented
27:00 I think he is pointing out the absurdity of society. Where white collar crimes corruptions are left unpunished but when a pickpocketed steals to make their ends meet, society condemns them rather than rehabilitating them.
You are just reiterating what Jaby and Syntel said. But the original speaker, Shailesh Gandhi, is trying to imply that society does not have any problem with the theft (particularly people with power/wealth robbing common people), but society is only bothered when a pickpocket picks the theif's (those people with power/wealth) pocket.
The pickpocketing is a metaphor. Now who is the pickpocket is unclear without the context.
His statement sounded like he had a socialist ideology
Wanting the poor to fight the rich, or wanting the rich to provide a better world for the poor
@@ShySnailYT you both sound same
@@surendragiri7447 exactly
@@surendragiri7447 A pickpocket generally steals from the common public not from the bigwigs. So it's just one case to falsify your argument.
26:40 - He is basically saying if someone steals your 15$ earphones(might be a silly example) you'll go mad at him, but if you're underpaid by 1000$ you'll live with it.
I am that last guy... I felt so bad for him...
Believe me I would die for India and I'm now in Canada since last 8 months... I had tears in my eyes. I would want to be rich to change the system of India, even if I will be 85 or 100.
Same here, I wanted to join Armed Forces as Fighter Pilot, I was prepared to die for the country. But I was rejected and forced to join IT industry. Due to bad work culture, and other reasons I am in Europe now. Life is complicated.
Me realising while watching this video that my grandma was born in 1947. She was a teacher back then by the age of 20. Her knowledge wisdom and thoughts are something that makes me appreciate the era she lived in.
Uncanny that the director of this film had the eye to spot some gems while they were 20. Granted, some of them did not achieve moons and stars in their lives, but a majority of them actually were.
Another observation - Myself being a product of Indian Institute of Technology hate to admit it but the quality of IIT grads has declined significantly over the years and I wonder who is to blame for that. Imagine if the quality had remained intact, or even improved - India as a country would have been in a completely different place on world stage..
Corruption, my friend. And I don't necessarily mean in terms of money. There are so many (mental, physical, psychological, environmental, etc.) corruptions taking place that have degraded the quality of education in this country and the zeal and willingness to learn among the people.
@@iamhb1006 I understand and concur with your central opinion regarding the quality of IITs actually improving. But, on a side not, I disagree with your take on the idea that "it [soft skills] has little place in the upcoming future". There are of course successful careers where soft skills don't matter as much, but there are many careers where soft skills matter a lot. Most senior management roles in corporations are given to people who have not only demonstrated exceptional hard skills but also soft skills. Even as an entrepreneur, you need soft skills when it comes to deal flow like M&A and raising capital with funding and/or investing. In fact, even in research you need soft skills to some degree (and this is coming from a guy who has a PhD in Physics). Hard skills matter a lot, more so than they ever have. However, soft skills aren't going out of business. They both matter. The idea that soft skills will barely matter is something I just don't see. Highest placements are generally offered to people who have not only performed well academically with their CGPAs and what have you, but have also demonstrated their hard and soft skills in a series of interviews. Not trying to say that highest placements and monetary privilege reflect success, what I am trying to say is that market will pay a hefty amount to people with hard AND soft skills.
As much as we like to pretend that we are sophisticated logical robots, we still are emotional primates who love to hear pretty words before we make a decision.
@@iamhb1006 So, just to pick a few things... being better at English doesn't automatically mean being better with communication/negotiation skills. I agree that language skills and accents and stuff are overrated, but communication skills are very much relevant. The way you present the data, the way you explain it, the way you negotiate everything (purchasing/buying for a company, salary negotiation, deadline negotiation, project negotiation... teamwork collaboration) are very important things.
As for professionalism, if we are mainly talking about back office roles like IT then yes, professionalism regarding dress code, colleague interaction etc is trivial (although soft skills will matter more the closer you get to CEO level even in an IT company). But on the front office/client facing roles, professionalism is as, if not more, important compared to previous century. When you call a hotel receptionist, you expect them to not only solve your problem but also be professional; when you are in the service/sell-side finance, you better be clear in your appearance and your communication. I think dress codes and stuff have gone down in importance (especially in covid with work from home policies), but communication etiquettes (regardless of whether you are speaking in hindi or english or any other language) are still very crucial.
fr fr not even joking I'm legit getting goose bumps just watching this video man, how they are showing someone in their 20s making all these crazy claims, all these crazy dreams, these demands for a better future and then where they are today. Imagine you goto heaven and god just says remember when you said xyz in your 20s? well you could of done that had you did this and shows you the better alternative version your life could of gone down. You could of found the love of your life by 23, founded a billion dollar company by your mid to late 20s. Retired your parents and gave them a peaceful life by you're 30s and yet here is what you actually did. I recently turned 18 myself living in America I some times worry will my dreams in my 20s come true? will speaking to highly jinx my luck? 😅 when I'm my parents age complaining about my mischiefs will I have regrets? idk when but I started to believe at one point in life (idk if this counts as a philosophy) "that all the things/ideas/big step for mankind/progress that were meant to be and need to be made have *been* made that one day we will have nothing to improve, nothing to make better, no new idea to make into reality, but than the next day there is a big new development in tech, a huge progress exploring outer space, new AI" idk where I will stand in my 50s 60s if I will make it but I was here and that's what matters :)
Back then cracking IITs was much tougher considering the resources were not as much available as now. And even with that someone who studied in those institutes would have to be considered genius not all at the same scale but surely with high intelligence and passion asa seen in the video.
He wanted to be IAS...where his main boss would be govt of India...that is essentially India only...
And he married to miss india...
he married to the most beautiful daughter of India...😜😄😄
What logic bro 😄 🤣 😂
@@harveyspecter1855 😜😄😄
Ohh jaby, IAS officer isn't a regular person. They're one of the most important people in bureaucracy. They're the ones that were shown in TVF's Aspirants show. The IAS(administrators), IFS(diplomats) are a breed apart. Truly some of the most disciplined and massively smart people.
@@iamhb1006 hmm u don't have any ias in ur family .... Cause they r the pillars and hv power to transform this country , establish law and order .... Control economic policy .... Idk what u think about ias but they become principle secretary and master minds behind govt initiatives
@@iamhb1006 ias form policies once they they reach secretary rank .... Not all ias are bad .... Not every ias take bribe either .... In Rajasthan sambhar lake drying up buy afforestation initiative saved the lake from dry up,
Armstrong pame north east connectivity , mrs aruna woman empowerment, and many other marvelous officer are there.... U r blinded by main stream media ...that's y ur views are conceited .... If u think all are corrupt but again u wont understand unless u search out their works
@@GRIMRAJ as someone who has IAS in their family......i agree with him even more
And one of the most corrupt people too.
@@triggeredpepe7043 that is something I wouldn't disagree too. Very TRUE. Exceptions exist too.
TN must have been influenced by his family.. The family pressure, especially from south Indian family to become a academic pro is intense.. I think TN said what is in his mind but his life navigated him the other way.. We never know he might be living with his 20 year old self's dreams buried deep in his mind.
Stop randomly blaming parents. Parents may be supportive and the world may still crumble especially the best of potentials...because the ones with the most potential usually get very pessimistic
Exactly
@@iamhb1006 ya exactly
@@iamhb1006 It may be worked for him financially.. but is he happy..? Does his dream of a traveller's life fulfilled..? Most of us are living on top our shelved dreams.. Are you happy with what you are doing with your life..?
@@assholable I didn't blamed any parents, I just pointed out the reality.
9:30 if someone wondering why that girl got married so early when she was just 8 year old.
back in the day in some part of India child marriage where prevalent. people often marry there children at young age. but girls often don't go to thers husbend homes until there menstruation started.
And this is best limited tradition and I love it in old times at 90 this thing is good
@@seeee8839 are you saying you are in favor of child marriage?
@@seeee8839 child marriage is never good dude.
good thing it dying out.
Not gonna lie the TN Subramanian part got a tear in my eye
Victor Menezes said that he wanted to become an IAS, not for doing service to the country but for all the facilities and the lifestyle. Along the way, he realised there is something that could give him a better and bigger lifestyle than being an IAS. He did achieve what he wanted and more than what he thought he could at that point. His desire for highest possible success stayed intact.
Yeah exactly that's what i thought he only needed money and a good lifestyle and he got it ..Not all can achieve what they dream so we have to appreciate it
I wouldn’t judge them by where circumstance of life took them. Sometimes there are unavoidable situations in family, personal life which can determine your future.
It hurts because TN represented our childish naive steadfast ideals and the wellspring of potential that we are (were) as young people. His 'failure' makes us question our own future and consider truly how hard the path of excellence is.
He is not a failure, he is an achiever,,,,,
@@ishakashyap795 that's why I put it in quotes
Do people realise it takes a lot of money to do what TN wanted? The weight of parents to look after, earning enough to feed yourself and have enough so there is something remaining when you are decrepit in old age when you cant work etc was not something you just randomly get irritated about.. We have NO right to judge his choices, just think that how even today a young man cannot actually pursue this goal in India without a LOT of savings
Wow... this is such a well made video! I usually comment at the reactions and stop at that but I have to go to the original video and give props to the creator of the video. Thanks Jaby for showing us this btw
Recently, INDIA IN PIXELS got recognized by PM Modi for his video on UPI(i think). He's good.
@@dixonnash8219 Yes. On the sonification of money transfer through UPI. PM & other ministers also recognised his efforts and skills to create data sets.
@@dixonnash8219 that is so awesome!!
To answer last question, India will be India, as chaotic as it is right now , but this and next decade it will make its presence felt to world, adding value (not just through money) to everything that exists.
Wow ! what a great video. I myself , in 1967 was working in a marketing job in DCM (a great company nowhere on the scene now), yet in 1975 moved to Osaka Japan with my entire family for better prospects. I still love my matrabhumi India & proudly carry an Indian passport despite overseas Indian having no voting rights. Also very muchly deprecate & despise the present administration's policy of generating animosity between Hindus and Muslims... God Bless India ! Jaihind Vande Mataram !
TN did speak his mind out!!!
After going home, his parents would have taken his class and rest is history!!!
That is how south indian homes were then!! Or he might have other family things come up!!!
My dad always say one thing-"the life decide something that we hate or unpredicted because life is full of surprises". When i watched this video I remembered this😊
when man plans for future, God laughs.
I liked Subramanyam.. the last guy.. even if he did not stay back… he has made Indian proud by being this great mathematician..isn’t it?
That poor woman who had a child marriage though 😭😭
There are so many my mom and dada are the examples
It's Still a problem in india last year when i visited Maharashtra my relatives Neighbor's child got married at the age of 14 this Happened last year and i Criticized it i was about to call police but they said it's common in villages like up uk mp everywhere and also explained me why they're doing it it's not just their fault. 😐 the world is.... ?
@@anushkaalves9533 what uttrakhand? I am from UK there is minimum 18 years here people married their daughter. Even at my mom time.
@@Varun-uv4li so you know everyone in uk? Millions of people personally 🙄 Bro have some common sense and i naver been to uk or anywhere I'm from Hyderabad Telangana the only village i visited is in Maharashtra they told me it's normal in village's specially in UP, UK I'm A modern city girl I just got a shock seeing a 14 year's old marriage.
@Varun same like stop believing in baseless rumours and get your facts checked before talking about serious topics. I'm also from Uttrakhand and no, child marriage is not common that's all I have to add.
"he looks like saif ali khan"
immediately talks about saif's father
Victor wasn't talking about some regular job. He was talking about IAS, one of the top most respected job.
Stop calling IAS a regular job, r u kidding me 😂
Ias is no special. It's just a job .
This was a very good experience watching such an amazing video👌👌 on my country and its people along with u..keep it up guys🤘❣️
Imagine someone said “Me toh sanyasi banna chahta hu” & end up being DJ😎🤣
This is gold. India in pixels guy is really talented 👌🏼
This was a great choice Jaby💜
Gold 👏👏
With the present scenario it’s difficult to predict but I m still hopeful that my India wll still do n be the best😊
If Subhramanyam had did same in today's date, we all may have feel proud of him, atleast I will, he invented something.
We feel proud to say that big big multi-billion companies CEO's are mostly Indians, sunder, paras, etc etc, they also didn't live in India, so why are we getting so harsh on him, he love maths, and there's something US may provide him what india didn't at that time, as india was not as develop as it is today.
I know he didn't keep his words, but afterall ,life is one, and passion is everything , his passion was maths, he found good teaching there, so he go there, he found some opportunity to do something big in maths, so he stays there.
I didn't see anything wrong in it.
Same. And people have been going to other countries for better opportunity since ages.
Going to other county for opportunity is not bad, but when you become successful enough after going abroad one must contribute towards his home country otherwise one is just dealing his life in business terms. Giving no value to place that he was brought up and shaped his mind. It's like if my parents are poor I'll leave them forever to live with my to be in laws because from there i can get better resources to fulfill my desires.
I have more respect for a labour who belongs to poor background, who do not have enough means to have meaningful education and goes to dubai or middle East to earn for his family rather than a guy who got education in a premiere government college funded by taxpayers just to never return and contribute to foreign land in terms of intelligentsia
@@akp57akp Disagree. You do you.
Do the best you can for yourself. That is the best for the world. Therefore, that is the best for the whole world, regardless of country. You don't owe your country anything and the country doesn't owe you anything. Make a life for yourself.
I'm pretty sure that sintel has a science background. The way he talks about how bais is introduced really shows that he is a really knowledgeable man.
India in pixel recently got a shout-out from PM👍
This video was so interesting. Both India in Pixels, and you guys.
Loved it!
Well this video is simply amazing. It is well plotted and articulated. The script is simply great especially the last bits. And good that you guys kind of got involved in it even though its nothing to do with Indian cinema.
21:00 that's crazy 🤣🤣🤣🤣
This video makes me feel so bad... I used to interview with My grandfather when he was in his late 80s with my 4000 rs Android phone.. I talked about his childhood days.. talked about his grandfather ... Talked about what was feeling that day India got indipendent... How our city and county changes years by years.. Interviewed till 2015 when he died at 90s.. I kept those recordings on phone...... And still today regret for not doing backup of those.. 2 years later my phone was stolen...
This video was quite interesting though. Like time capsule that give insights of the people back then about what they think about the future of India in next 50 60 years
Victor Menezes Funded a large convention center at IIT Bombay where I have spoken number of times. Shailesh Gandhi speaks about Right to Information Act (RTI).
Jaby,that was a great post. You two did justice to that video!
Thank you Jaby and Syntell, you had put some more words regarding Subramanium than i shared... Yes that's 'life' and we can't be the same as we were 50 years ago.
Wow; I'm from Mumbai, did school and college from Jabalpur, glad to see Naina Puranik.
Jaby and team..Hatsoff dude...U guys are finding some rare and most incredible videos that most of the Indians haven't watched..Until u react to it...Bless u gusy and keep rockin' better than the best in ur endeavors
I know this Bengali guy I did internship in his ngo hazard centre during my college days.
🙏🏻 Awesome.
Impressive!! I was able to recap all my past with such a clarity of how life happened (good, bad and ugly) to me. What's difficult to get a clarity on is "FUTURE" and this video helps in answering some of those questions. Jaby/Sintel, thanks for doing a reacting on it, else I wouldn't have found it on INTERNET.
that video is a gem.. VM. oh boy.. respect Dunu Roy..n still searching for TN..
I'm fairly certain that Victor was being sarcastic and joking around in the interview. He did every single thing the exact opposite of what he said.
happy that you watched 2nd part also 😍 only word which can describe this acc to me is " wholesome"❤️
LAST GUY WENT TO IITB AND MIT (ONE OF THE TOP UNIVERSITIES IN THE WORLD ) < THAT"S BIGGGGGGG DEAL !!!!!!
This video was so impactful to me, I didn't expect this in the beginning of the video.
Abhi conference hai Victor Menezes Convention Centre mein … ja raha hoon … itni bar gaya wahan par pata nahi tha Victor menezes kaun tha
"LIKE TREES WE GROW IN WAYS WE HAVE NEVER EXPECTED"
Dr. Apj Abdul Kalam said India will be next superpower and I'm contributing in it 🇮🇳❤
Such an amazing experience to watch this video...Thank you for doing reaction to the video. 😍
When we are young our opinions are so true and pure, but then that's what life does to us. Some of them stayed true to their opinions, salute to them.
Love you Jaby and Syntell!!
Hope you remain happy and healthy always 🇮🇳💕
It’s a beautiful compilation of old memories of the people who had some goals to achieve. It’s very inspirational.
Syntell had some good insights in this video. Appreciate it.
That Was Truly A Brilliant Video - Thanks For Sharing To Show How Things Can Change- Great Work !!! ???
Victor Menezes is the real life Shikamaru 😀
Just wanted to be a cloud ☁️
But achieve something Big in life
TN also achieved big in life. Did anybody recognize that??
Nah man
Can't compare
I think we clearly know what the future is...
See this generation of 67 vs today's on reels and tiktok...
He was talking about the society from that time where you can rob people in the name of doing work but you can't rob those people who robbed other people. He was genius.
Now even Apple Siri can speak India English, all you have to do is change Siri to Indian English in settings.
Thank you jaby and Syntell for reacting to this video. This was an amazing find for me.
I think Achara along with Jaby woulb be better for this and previous related video. She understood the concept of India and people better.
Oh man I didn't knew this video was so good, I got it on my recommendation but I didn't see it. Thanks jaby for this video. 👍👍
At 27:00 I guess most did not get what he meant. That is not what he said. He said that "society doesn't have a problem with thieves" but has problem with "thief getting pickpocketed". Meaning that even a thief can loose his money to theft in India. That is how bad the problem of crime is (at the time when he was speaking. Probably in early 2000s). The gist of it was: Crime doesn't even leave criminals alone. That as a society, we fear the lawlessness that has taken over. This quote was apt for early 2000s. However, a lot has changed in India and this is no longer relevant. Just like many things about India. Most issues are getting resolved as we progress further into the future.
Was waiting for this one even more than the original
Video and audio recorded as separate stream, later would be muxed until VHS became more accessible. If it was a movie shoot, the streams would always be separate. Video film projector doing its own thing while the tape recorder\player relaying the sound to sound system in the premises simultaneously. There are still theatres like these in many villages in India.
Syntel ji and Jaby ji good discussion, reaction 🙏🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Linked the practical views, thinking of Syntel ji
Congratulations on 2 Million koay And Kirk ❤️❤️💜💜❤️❤️
Dunu ji is my fav 💙💙💙
Jaby learning every day something from India 😁
It seems like every guy that talked just packed their bags after that video was filmed and left the country to America.
India didn't have any hope back then and neither does it now
I was to watch this video but I did wait for you to react and watch it with you guys.
👍🏼👍🏼
This changes everything now I wonder what turn my life would take
Surprising where one can find their daily dose of inspiration... Thanks Jaby and Syntel
Kaby didn't understand the importance of a constitutional position like chief information commissioner
This is probably the best reaction video from any reaction channel I've ever seen.
Such a wonderful video
Amazing video commentary is superb I know three of those shown dunno Roy Victor Menezes and Gandhi.
I believe what we r now is all because of this type of people who contributed soo much for india
There's always a reason why we stick to jaby's video every now and then!!! his common sense and words are relatable!
I like this video 👍 jaby. Continue reacting this type of videos.
Congratulations on 2M 🥳💫
Beautiful video!
Ser Victor has ultimate respect.
I absolutely love that the best one got disillusioned with this world and lost his aspirations. That's what this cruel world made of humans does to the best ones.
This video gives insights into the question called LIFE.
I am 20 and i relate a lot to that guy who said i wanna be IAS sit in a comfortable chair in an AC room...
Somewhere in Time! Great movie!
That's what Krishna says, "Be playful in life." 😄