TURBO HEMI TEST-STOCK BOTTOM END!!
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- čas přidán 21. 08. 2020
- BIG BANG HEMI TEST-ULTIMATE STRESS TEST! HOW MUCH BOOST? HOW MUCH POWER CAN WE MAKE WITH A STOCK BOTTOM END 5.7L HEMI? WE ALL KNOW THEY HAVE WEAK PISTONS. SHOULD WE TAKE IT EASY ON THE BOOST? DO THEY BREAK AT 10 PSI, 15 PSI OR 20 PSI? HOW MUCH POWER IS THAT?
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I love how he said "the pistons will break long before 1000hp" then it turned 1100hp. It did hurt it in the end. But it could have done 800-900hp reliably
Lol 😂 right
Basically 800-900hp is the max reliably for a 5.7l it can go higher but start expecting things to start breaking over 900hp
@@redhunnid5142reliable for about a week lol
So if I have hyperutetic rods and pistons a bore and ported headed can it take 17-18.5 psi boost?
@@michaelbrown091rods are forged
Richard breaks them so we don't break our wallet!!!
Thank you for all these great tips and thorough testing.
Richard is best in class in telling you exactly what went wrong and what we can learn from it.
I've made accusations that he actually consumes engine parts for sustenance.
I can make horsepower but it will most likely see the moon within all of me going over 25% throttle 😂
I didn't know what to expect but woah that's a big number.
Great video Richard thanks
Do again with "new" found knowledge. Go Hemi!
Yes !! That would be great
explain please....
Would also like to see it with the new edelbrock heads
@@bryansautosupply it was a used engine should re test with a new engine
We need more 5.7 stuff
I could hear Brule's voice in there "...can we add rods and pistons now?"
Please please do more hemi stuff. Thank you so much Richard. Awesome as always.
I love how you can test any brand, give it a fair shot, and come up with not only good hp, but also recommendations to prevent engine damage. A truly useful dyno session with a lot of useful info. Job well done....again.
You're nailing it Richard. Very nice. Occasionally you're touching on a direction that really has most of us wanting more. Horsepower and how much can you get...now add another target of information like going all out with available bolt-ons, showing cost and possibly limiting your builds to "streetable" like idle quality, vacuum and pump gas with octane boost to something like 97 to 100 octane. Maybe showing a little lower rpm loading with the dyno. Build it and boost it until it breaks.
I love it
This is awesome and answers a lot of questions I had about turbocharging a stock bottom end hemi as I have a 06 300c
I agree it deserves a fair shake with the good stuff. Colder air, less back pressure and then more timing!!!
It’s so awesome how much information u give us! Thank U!!
Over 500hp without a turbo. Put that 5.7 in a Dodge Magnum wagon and you'd have a great road trip vehicle. Another great video sir, thanks for the hard work.
Adam Patterson oh it’s fantastic in a 4dr 4x4 too, especially with the magic of the 8 speed ZF trans. A lot of 13 second cars are surprised when a 6000lb truck pulls away.
I was impressed with that 500 hp too but it kinda makes sense after I thought about it. 5.7l with good heads, cam and intake should be a ripper.
I grew up a Chevy guy but I've always wanted to build a Magnum for the reason you said. They have a ton of space in them.
I mean it’s flywheel. Fair amount of power sure, but nothing to go crazy about
@@yotaismygame This is true but you don't always need a fire breathing monster under the hood to have a good vehicle for making road trips in.
@@GarcBomber There is an older gentleman that doesn't live to far from us and he didn't want the expense of a diesel so he bought a dually with the big Hemi and flys by the house pulling his gooseneck trailer loaded with cattle. He is very happy with his new Ram
Thanks for doing this test, a buddy of mine and I have bee contemplating doing the same thing. As a matter of reference, there are several aftermarket intakes available for the gen 3 Hemi, but most of them are barely better than what the factory has produces, especially when considering the power per dollar argument. Your video's are amazing, and you are doing an incredible job dispelling all of the myths out there. One last thing, the Hemi with the most issues are the 6.4 not the 5.7 due to the tighter tolerances from the factory.
Dude that’s amazing and you proved many people wrong. Great video man I would love to see you do this motor up with everything in optimal ranged and proper combo for max power.
Thanks for not just being a chevy guy. I'm doing an lq4 swap in a monte carlo, and picking up parts in a 2012 ram. This is all great content. Thanks Richard.
Thanks for showing the hemi some love! Great video
Love to see an updated run, got me looking at my rebuild block in a new light.
You need a shirt that says, "If you boost it, they will come."
Genius!
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Those are crazy numbers! Man, very cool test idea and video! Thanks for this!
Hey, great video, and yes please redo the 5.7 hemi test to see what they can take. I love those little hemi's. I'm wondering what there upper safe rpm limit is to, with simple/cost effective valve train tweaks.
Great job, great content!. Keep up the good work.
Shoot I'm just trying to see if Magnum or the 3rd gen Hemi is more power per buck ratio. Whichever makes higher low end for cheaper wins.
Your spot on for next time. Can't wait. I've always been curious on the stock block strength. I'd like to see the older sb mopar in a big bang setup but with a forged piston, forged crank, and good set of rods with some arps and maybe even some nitrous after the turbo tests..
Always here $600 is the limit
Well done Richard. I've got a few customers running stock block 5.7s (heads/cam) with 14-16 psi whipples on e85 and they put down 700-800 whp on the chassis dyno and have been running strong for years at the strip. Maybe its not as strong as a LS, but its not a bad engine
Wait, really? I'd love to do that to my challenger soon.
@@Felix-gm9im Yep. I've got one customer with a whipple, heads and cam on E85 and a War Viking trans that has gone as fast as 10.1@136 in his 5.7 Challenger. We just do the tuning but his parts package is pretty basic.
What’s so special about LS motors
I see more Silverado’s break than Rams
If you could explain
@@rssdefensecorp8756 Depends on the power level you want. Specifically talking about the 5.7 Hemis only, there have been some issues with lifters seizing up that can eat up the valvetrain. And at least on the earlier models, the rods don't appear to hold up all that well when you start pumping the power up. Obviously I've got customers that have proven they _can_ make big power, but none that have pushed as far as the LS guys have on stock rods. AFAIC, its cool to say "I made 1000 hp on stock rods/pistons", but you're still rolling the dice whether its Ford, GM or Chevy if you're gonna run that on a daily basis.
@@ChurchAutoTest the new 5.3 are all Aluminum Blocks the Ram is cast Iron once the Lifters are upgraded then its unstoppable
Plus the 5.3 and 6.6 are all direct injection
I LOVE IT!!! Suggestion: Update the cam, and add twin turbos. Great video and education. I learned so much.
I love this! Gives me thought about my future build for my R/T. But heck, I’m just trying to make it to 500rwhp N/A!
Awesome info! Thanks Richard! I just bought an 06 Chrysler 300c back in March and my plan for down the road is twin turbos. So perfect info right up my alley! Thanks again! I wonder how the Holley sniper intake would fair? That’s the one I got my eyes on
these vids are great keep up the good work, i have a little 73 valiant 4 door that might get a gen3 hemi. this is very inspiring
More Mopar tests please!
5.2 and 5.9 big bang tests
Richard,,my hero ive been waiting to see a 5.7 video that is killer you have to do it yhe right way i am very curious of the little 5.7 now in my 93 dakota make it right and redo very soon like yesterday... LOVE IT
great stuff man. ill be watching alot of your videos before i finally figure out how to boost my 1500 5.7 magnum.
As always thumps up and all ads watched for the support
Keep it up
Kool test Richard, I would really like to see this test revisited with all the stars and Moon in alignment..
Use the drop in piston/rods assembly that MMX is bragging about, all the stuff you were taking about, & "Feed 'er the onions"!Give it as much of a chance as you give the others.
Richard, It seems every day you introduce another incredible video involving junkyard visits, rebuilds, modifications, and dyno time. My only question to you is...do you ever sleep???
Given his energy levels and constant content...I’m pretty sure he’s not even human. 😂
what is this sleep thing you refer to?
@@83Yankee he doesnt need sleep , he needs dyno pulls
@@richardholdener1727 My point exactly!...
@@richardholdener1727 :D
You need to revisit this Hemi again ! Put in all of the modifications you mention, and flog it through the dyno once more. Please !
amazing work and video Richard, you basically tripled the O.E.M. power output ratings on this engine for a 2006 model year, my nephew has had 3 of these in Chrysler 300's AWD ,and they are strong engines, the only thing that makes them weak is lack of maintenance and abuse, he put over 200k miles on each car and always got great fuel economy with the cylinder deactivation system, there's no more wrong with this engine them Ford or Chevy have with their competing engines, 5.3 GM or 5.0 Fords have problems to look forward to the future videos of this Hemi 😎
Well, you know we definitely need to see this again. Please.
Can't wait for round 2, nice job.
The intro music reminds me when you walk through a club in an fps games. I like it.
Would like to see it again again would also like to see the newer 2012 and up heads , the ports are a lot larger than the early hemi ,great job really enjoyed this video
FYI, it’s fun to actually see the dyno run. Thanks for having the hemi as your G-pig.
Love the hemi content!
I was suprised! Thanks for the info!
I love it. Been waiting a long time for this video. Please redo it the "correct" way.
So much tuning knowledge. Thank you for sharing.
I’d really love to see this test done again with the new found knowledge.
Scotty Taylor @STREETMACHINETV here's something to take a look at for the rust-olium wagon due to the news of your engine choice
Yesss i agree 👌👌
I will sponsor him a turbo
Excellent engineering, I love nerding out with Richards vids...
He reminds me a little of Whily E Coyote rummaging through a junkyard to build a dragster to catch the roadrunner! 😁
Really interesting channel
Great experiments
Thanks! 😊
love it!! electronic boost controller for sure to limit boost at low rpm. let it eat above 5500 like the turbo ls guys are doing to help them live. 18° seems pretty aggressive on timing. i see guys hitting big numbers keeping them even a bit less than the turbo ls guys. 12-13° i see them at...I guess it all depends on the fuel type and the engine comp ratio and combo. if it is still picking up decent horsepower per degree of timing I guess it’s not too much.
I would be curious on how the Holley sniper sheet metal intake would do on lots of boost. I going to be building a twin turbo stroker with custom grind camshaft. I will have all forged internals. You have a awesome channel. Thanks for all the cool content
what a monster! more hemi stuff please.
Still would like to see a 5.9 magnum test
Same here. I own 2 5.9 engines (one is in my truck, the other im still deciding what to do with)
Throw out that trash.
6.1 Hemi next
The 5.9 is useless
@@noidontthinksolol sound is really the only decent thing about it though
thanks for hemi stuff
Thanks man, needed this video so bad.
Man, I was like, "No... No. You got to be lying, no."
Man, please when you got to 1200hp with turbo there, talking about the combination, what transmission?!
Awesome test. Love to see another hemi big bang! Maybe even a 6.1??? Beefier rods, forged crank, piston squirters...
I think the 6.1 came with forged crank..not sure tho 🤔
6.1 forged crank is pretty much a drop-in for a 5.7.
@@chrisreynolds6520 sweeet
Curtis Holland only the 392s come factory with a forged crank
@@widebody_moparmike just got a 6.1 over the weekend..they have forged cranks also, you can Google it
Great video ! I love it when the internet engineers are proven wrong :)
I wouldn't even bother with a head upgrade other than some valve springs. Ring gap new rings and boost 😉👍😁
Can't wait to see the 6.1 powder rods and a 6.1 crank with 5.7 fordged piston! Go bud go! I want to see the dyno video also see that thing spool those twins up!
Good videos. Do you plan on doing any eagle hemis? Or compare the non eagle vs eagle vs 6.1
i'd love to see this done again with the later style heads
Awesome stuff. That's a pile of power.
Richard, 2009+ 5.7 engine had a few changes from the 2003-2008 5.7 biggest change was going from a 9.6:1 compression ratio to a 10.5:1 compression ratio with a design change to the pistons both in metallurgy and ring land positioning (top ring even closer to the face of the piston) I suspect these changes could have a significant impact on the durability of this build and possibly why you were so successful in the numbers you pulled from it!
Wait teach me lol what you mean
Exactly why I can't wait till you max out the 455 Buick because I'm tired of every body "old saying" about how much they can take when you already went over 740+ pounds of torque at low Boost,,, anyways this is great Info Rich
Tony DeFeo i.e. Uncle Tony’s Garage did a pretty cool examination of the 5.7 Hemi block and showed why and where the weakness comes from.
seen the same video and what he said makes total sense to me but still 1100 hp from a stock bottom hemi is nice
@@Ryanthesavagesmith agreed
@Curtis Fleabag ...mine has 213,000 miles on it ...with no issues to date... I had to change the fuel pump twice...but that's about it...2004 Hemi Sport Ram 1500 ...5.7L Hemi, 345 h.p.
I'd love to see this test on the newer eagle headed 5.7 hemi engines with everything stock. The idea of pulling a known issue from an engine, in the form of the factory pistons and filing the rings before reinstalling the stock pistons, seems kind of crazy.
the rings are the first problem
Awesome video! I’ve heard over and over 7 lbs or it explodes a piston blah blah. I’ll point the 7 lb cult to this video for some lessons.
It will if you don't pull it out and gap the rings and reinstall...
I'll go one further the reason the secondary ring land failed is that it had to much back pressure on it ( like having cats boosted often does to stock cast pistons), that's why he lamented not having back pressure readings on it because he knows that probably caused the failure to much thru that hot side...
The end gap problems of the stock hemi making it unable to hold the power of its competitors, is aggrevated by the thin crown area putting more heat to the top ring and lowers the stock boost you can safely run...its also why he opened them up to .030-.032 vs the standard .028 he usually does....
Its not a bad design its a bad design for boost as it comes is all....its actually a long wearing good NA design....
With just a little detonation on a stock cast piston, that's where I always see them break. The top ring takes the hit and pushes down on the land below it and the land cracks. The crown cracks when the ring butts. :)
I would like to see a redo, that would be cool. You make awesome videos man. Keep it up. Thanks!
That manifold seems to be tuned nicely to the engine just like the LS3 intake.
As cool as it would be to see a bigger number, it would really be cool to see you fine tune it and reproduce that number with the lowest amount of boost possible. In reality nobody is really expecting 1100 hp out of their junkyard motor. To see you make an 1100 hp junkyard motor that is semi reliable would be awesome
Seen you had a hand/mind in on the Caprice wagon on the Fastest Car program on Netflix. Nice!!!
Hes got a vid on hear with chad working on it.
Gap and a dual Torqstorm kit! Centrifugal keeps the bottom end torque manageable.
More 6.1 hemi test please!! 😎😎
I vote for a second test on an 09+ 5.7. Lots more ram owners with the gen 4 body style trucks do major mods than the gen 3 trucks.
This is awesome, thanks man. It makes me want to play with one lol
I love turbocharging. I have a 2001 Cherokee 4.0 with a mild comp cam, Edelbrock head, a modified '96 intake, air to water intercooler and headers. I ran up to 12psi in it on 93 octane fuel. Even with 35" tires and 4.10 gears it pulls like freight train. I estimate it is 470 ft lbs and 425 hp at peak right now. I am thinking about going with a bigger precision turbo just so I am not near the limit of the turbo.
Dammmn nice!!👌
I bet your more than that. Just an assumption but 12psi on a 4L anything should be more than 400+ horsepower. With all the aftermarket top end parts to boot
I’d like to see a Big Bang on a stock block/crank with one of forged piston “drop in” kits that are available for the Gen 3. My reasoning is that it’s the middle ground between the low-buck ‘open the ring gaps and pray’ approach and the high-dollar full custom rebuild approach. I also think it’s the way the average Hemi swapping guy would set out to seriously compete with the LS swapping guys. It’s also the way a guy with a modern Charger, Challenger, or Grand Cherokee who wants to hang an aftermarket supercharger and develop more than 8 PSI would go.
That combination is really practical in NA form. Torque bubble from 4000 to 6000. That's as good as it gets. Run it!
I gotta be honest IV been very lucky at finding easy power in all the 90s to now mopar stuff even the 2.0 sohc inline 4 was pretty cake to get 250hp out of na and the power techs that seats fall out of also I had a 4.7 that was awesome with a headers, ported heads, cam, intake, and a tune. don't think it ever went on the dyno but it went sideways awesome in my dakota. Great vid man would love to see one of the over head cam motors big banged put a few together but nothing fun. Although they look like they could be.
My 19 ram classic trembles in fear when i watch your videos it knows what i want to do to and with it lol
Please do another one to see what it will do.😀 go hemi
Love the turbo testing. I have an idea, I’ve seen testing with like dual exhaust vs single and all that. But what about exhaust/muffler testing post turbo. Like stock 2500hd 6l muffler vs straight through maybe 3” vs 4” at the high hp levels. I have a 4” in my turbhoe but I had to “clearance” it in a few spots so I have thought about 4” dp to dual 3 or 3.5”.
Out of curiosity on a 6.1 hemi out of 2006 magnum srt8 where would you have the ring gap set to?
Truly that is a great engine. Now what would you expect from it with forged pistons, connecting rods; lowered compression to around 9.5:1 BUT a boost level over 30 PSI. Just curious lol.
great test !what would a maxed out NA gen 3 hemi do ? tunnel ram ,ported heads ,pump gas
That was a big surprise, goes to show the 5.7 don right can achieve some big numbers without going to the extreme
Awesome content as usual! Bit of a broad question here, in your experience - what kind of timing are these hemis looking for at WOT and 0PSI? ~24-26 like the LS or mid 30s like the older stuff?
"It was definitely done wanting to be turbocharged" LOL An instant classic quote. :D
Mane a better piston(forged) with more compression and definitely a much better rod with twin turbos. Experiment some with larger camshafts? Change oil pump to one from a hellcat? Great test as always you make us think about possibilities. Thanks for your videos.
Definitely interesting I wonder what this would be like in an AWD cop charger
Stage 6 Motorsports here in Jax, FL has built SRT8 Hemi's over 1,000 horsepower for a while now. Very impressive numbers for the 5.7 :-)
CZcams LSX Challenger.
CZcams LS RAM.
There was a very nice SRT 8 LS swap at LS fest. He said the hemi just couldn't handle the boost so he LS swapped it..
I think your right Richard I think it was the strength issue because it broke in between the first and second rings I’m thinking and I know this from nitrous and turbo use in other engines that if it breaks from boost or nitrous ie the heat added from the power adder it’s usually started the death of the piston near the top land and crown area of the piston usually breaks and not melts
like to see how well 392 with its factory piston, could hold up. 09 and up 5.7 would be cool to see with factory eagle heads too
8:30 YES! This time with street gas though.
I'm really impressed with the gains at 11.8 psi boost. Definitely a good design in regards to HP potential.
I do wonder what the factory did to alleviate this problem in the factory supercharged hemis.
Maybe this should be the next big bang engine!
@Brett Anderson ...those 6.2 supercharged Hemi engines have stronger bottom ends stock from the factory, compared to a stock 5.7 bottom end
Formula held exactly for the low boost run, and was pretty close on the 20psi run. Awesome.
actually, I'd like to see a 6.4 done, and see if all the internet talk about how they are made of glass with boost is right!
Great vid except do the Big Bang hemi again with TT for even comparison just to see the possible numbers. Also old big block mopar Big Bang would be sweet to see too
It just goes to show you how under rated the late model hemi s are i class them just as good as a gen 3 the only thing is not as many parts available for them as a chev . But be interesting to see a good set of rods and pistons and new camshaft and same heads . Im thinking you could get an easy 1500 hp number . If not more . Thanks richard another great video .
Another great test. Turns out Richard loves to break the internet by not breaking motors haha
TEST-STOCK BOTTOM END, Sir your work is not done, not yet.
those dual plug engines need very little spark advance, so 18 degrees seems like a lot, at that boost/IATs.