Winwing Orion F-18 Hornet Throttle and Stick / F-18 Control Panel Review |
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For All Winwing Products: www.wwsimstore.com/STORE Had a great time using the Winwing Orion stick and throttle, big thank you to them for sending them out for me to try out.
Rafale vs eurofighter wvr dogfight please. Thank you.
Have u tried any of the virpil stuff?
me>huh i want it
my wallet>*pulls out gun * STAY AWAY
seems like your wallet hasn't managed its closure too well try a cobra
Just take your wallet into the merge with 9X’s guns don’t do shit against those Fox 2’s
Another good thing about WinWing - they haven't raised their pricing astronomically during this past year, unlike Thrustmaster. When I purchased my WH HOTAS, it was just at $500 USD. Now the throttle alone lists for $799!
@@rwhunt99 I think TM (or the merchants) taking advantage of the pandemic situation, gouging the prices.
And I bought my TMWH set for $299 when it first came out. While it has been a solid HOTAS for over 10 years now, I wouldn't dream of paying $500 for it, let alone $799! Especially with VRPL and Winwing available.
@Faelwolf I don't think it was pandemic alone causing these prices. Interest in PC gaming, and flight sims has gone up a lot. So many people have stepped into the PC gaming world over the last few years
And yeah. I don't know why they think that Warthog set is worth that much. I paid like 400 plus tax and shipping for the Orion HOTAS during all of this
I'm just waiting for them to release the Viper throttle setup
Couldn't agree more! Cougar throttle was the only throttle that really fit my hand comfortably and I've never found another throttle that fit so well (I've got kinda small hands).
I have had them for a month now and am loving them. I am a VR user and the fact that the layout is varied allows for the user to memorize which switches are where. Also, they can mount to Virpil mounts with a bit of imagination. Please do a video of the mounting setup you have for the control panels I could not work them out so tacked them onto the Virpil throttle mount. Great video as always.
Thanks for this review. Very thorough!!
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Your landing gear knob looks cracked like mine was when I got it. It held up pretty well, but they sent me a new one, thankfully just in time, the day mine showed up, the one that came gave up and snapped after about 4 months of use. Only took about a week to get the replacement. I think they are getting the set screws just a bit to tight cracking them. I used the set screw that the original had along with the replacement screw so mine has 2 now just to get more grip with less force being put on the knob, all in all though I’ve been pretty damn happy with my entire WinWing setup
Also, thankfully the super libra and Orion sticks are the same, the one I got 2 months ago has all of those new features
I would be extremely interested in watching videos of you teaching some introductory basics to playing DCS. I want to get into it but am having a tough time figuring out where to start.
Check out Requiem (Air Combat Tutorial Library) on youtube
Well, when you do find out what you want to fly and everything, he has a ton of tutorials on multiple different planes from the basics to advanced parts of the plane.
the throttle is awesome, but for the stick i particularly prefer VKB gladiator,!
I bought one a couple months ago. The only problem I had with it was the commsv switch broke. They sent one out quickly and it wasn't too hard to fix it.
Looks sweet!
Hi! I’m a beginner PC user, is there a good tutorial and guide on desk mounts and joysticks?
Great video
Does this (the throttle mount expecially) make any sense to use in VR? Have a feeling that a 5 way modifier would make for a lot less of blind tapping around and searching for keys.
I just ordered this setup! Planning to get into VCS once I receive it. I could not pass up the discount right now.
Looks nice almost realistic
God damn it you made it to shiny and I bought it thanks gs
thx for the video, fyi all of these are way out of my price range, but still, would't it be cool if you had a sort of joystick-cam in your videos??? just an idea, but I think it would be cool!
If you get the new Orion 2 base/stick, I would love to see a comparison to the Libra.
Still want my super Taurus + virpil base with tm hornet stick
Don't you miss the lack of Coolie hat button on the throttle? What I mean is, would this throttle work well with the Hawg?
Im not sure what my mounts are, they look like yours and have that red clamp handle and either the big plate or some flat bars for mounting
Wish the stick wouldn’t constantly disconnect when using a hub. Nervous about getting the throttle soon since people have issues with them. but then, hardware looks easy to fix
Does the setup you are showing work well with the A10 C ? Combat panel ?
Thanks - The joystick mount is just what I was looking for - I cant understand why there is no extension for the Orion J stick
Pretty decent review ;)
Eyyy, that’s my HOTAS
Yo this fire
Could you give us the height of the stick and throttle in CM? Is it too high for a desktop to use? And what do you prefer? Desktop mounting oder mounting on a chair?
I know it's difficult to compare HOTAS - considering Winwig sent you their product, free of charge - but I'm curious to know which you prefer; the Winwig or Thrustmaster, i.e. the pros and cons.
@@pronotroll i've got an X55 ive been using since 2014, and its on its last legs.. im looking for a replacement hotas, what do you reckon is the nicest unit out there in a mid/high range price point? customs charges are massive here (23% Tax plus customs fees and processing fees) which has put me a bit off from winwig... but i'd like to hear your opinion as a long time Warthog user and now virpil..
@@pronotroll I recently bought the TPR and they're really good although the brakes don't seem to work on XPLANE even though it's been calibrated. Haven't tried brakes on DCS yet. I know about Virpil and VKB. Will take another look. Thanks.
I went from TM to Virpil and loved it and these are a match and I prefer these control panels.
I have the VKB rudder and gunfighter stick(the one based on the su-57) and I love them. Super high quality. The pedals don’t have toe brakes, but the stick has a brake on it. Would highly recommend.
Nah, it's easy to compare:
WH Throttle: is a perfectly respectable bit of kit. Not as functionally rich as the Orion but it does it's job and does it perfectly well. Orion is probably better but those cables' durability remain to be seen, that said Win Wing do generally know what they're doing so...
WH Stick: is an outdated, poorly designed with cheap-out bodges, left, right and centre stick that nobody should be buying these days. Orion stick has a modern cam and bearing gimbal, a properly designed metal grip shell (unlike the TM nose heavy abomination that led to a layered-on-top-of-an-already-poor-design bodge) and seems to be liked by all those who have bought one.
Summary: don't buy anything that includes the WH stick. If you want a complete western style HOTAS for a similar (without shipping included) price buy an Orion.
Wait, so the big red JETT button inside the station selection knob is not actually a button?!
Wining F-18 Throttle and Stick? Hell yeah I'm in...Wait, wat?
how would you rate this now, against the libre and tarus set up?
Current price is pretty attractive too...
Can you tell me which mounting plates you used for the throttle/stick?
which mounting plates do you have for your foxx mounts
Hi , can you help me I am new to DCS and just got a hotas , just wondering what's your bind for clickable cockpit cursor ?
Are there extensions for the ORION ? I see the Super L has one but not to be used for Orion ??
I wounder if there going to do a F-15 throttle and even a F-14 throttle??
Does the Orion have an option to use the Z twist axis for the joystick?
the first thing that will give is most likely that two small cables
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Have you had any problems with it so far?
A problem I see on many joysticks is that eventually (integrated) rudder twist becomes a problem - jitter goes nuts. Seems to be always rudder twist.
If we drop the coin for these (very expensive equipment), what says the sensors wont have these issues as well, and mean we have to pay again within 1-2 yrs time?
So experience might wary but I think stick twist feature is always an afterthought for the designers. It's typically sensed by a super inexpensive potentiometer. I in fact fixed mine recently by cracking it open and removing excess grease that had somehow flooded it. I don't recommend relying on stick twist at all. From any brand.
Question: I tried Warthog Thrustmeter but didn't like it. I am using my Logitech 3d pro again but now DCS will not save the keyboard or joystick binds. Do I need to re-install DCS? I uninstalled warthog but that didn't fix the issue.
Which mounts for the control panels
Downside to me is that the cr panel and the take off panel has a lot of the same buttons as the Orion2.
And since you can't really change the panel writings, you get stuck with (for instance) two buttons that say a/a and two that say a/g.
Ofcourse in the app you can change the bind, but you can't change the text on the panel which i feel is a shame.
Etsy has multiple people who have blueprints and have digitized the layouts and measurements so you can get a custom overlay made. Just need someone with a laser cnc to cut you a custom panel overlay you can replace the factory one with. Admittedly you're going to have to take the thing apart to do it but it's an option.
Will be that f-16 also compatible with super taurus?
I use those wire connections you saw on the throttle on a scale system we have at work. They kinda suck tbh, the collar holding the metal cover over the connector loosens without any real warning and it falls off and lets the metal body of the connector fall away. Not good connector in my opinion.
Well the wire isn't going to be under any vertical tension since even a the throttle's highest point they aren't being pulled at all, the real question was whether they could stand up to being squished since they're compressed quite a bit while the throttle is pushed to it's farthest forward (full afterburner) position
i wanna grab one but im scared it wont arrive. lol
Do you need rudder pedals with this setup?
How long did it take to ship?
all I need is for them to bring out the f-16 tqs
are these going to be affordable!!! maybe if I wait 3 years :(
Does this hotas work well with the F-14
You mentioned that you were able to use the fox mount. Did you need a different mount plate for the stick? I current have a round mount plate for the warthog and was wondering if that would still work.
thats the one I used, worked fine for me.
@@GrowlingSidewinder thank you for the fast response!
How accurate are these to real life HOTAS?
Anyone got some recomendation for us poor soutpaws stick-and-throttle-wise? At the moment I use a T.16000 on the left and a good gaming mouse as throttle/weapons control/etc., which is also used for mouse view. I feel It´s a decent setup, but maybe I want to level up some day.
For stick you can get a VKB Gladiator NXT which has a special version made for left handed or a Constellation alpha for throttle I don't know of any military throttle setups that are meant to be used with the right hand. Honestly If you train your arms there shouldn't be a problem with using a normal setup, using a HOTAS is an ambidextrous setup so it shouldn't matter what handedness you are
Hey, I was wondering what the name of the 2 F-18 panels to the right of the Winwing Orion throttle is. I am curious as to what mount it is on so I can have a nice experience in DCS.
Same
The future, they did an f-16 throttle and the collective.
most of the packages are out of stock :{
I want one but I don't have money!
How does one learn their way around this equipment while wearing a VR headset? Having trouble with SA and button movements.
Become fat like me and then you can see outside your headset on the bottom👀
*sighs*
*grabs wallet*
how many hours do you have in dcs??
edited btw love you vids
more than I would like to admit lol
I know the feeling😂
to anyone: do you recommend Virpil Controls? aside from the cost i mean, which is better?
Vipril
@@Mike_Romeo k thanks!
Are those styled after actual Rhino cockpit controls?
The throttle and stick yes (Hornet controls in general not just the Rhino) the button layout of the panels (including the throttle base) Definitely not
Yay that shit's expensive! You better have no issues at this price point!
@@kendil22 And I thought that Thrustmaster metal thingy was pricey... xD Ok, a real bargain then!
@@kendil22 The WinWing F-18 throttle is even more expensive.
Geez maybe that's why they never have anything in stock they just send them free to all the youtubers.
And I thought my warthog hotas was expensive...
Hey buddy, compared to the Thrustmaster which has the coolie hat on the throttle. What do you use for a coolie hat on the Orion?
Thanks
the Orion has another 4 way switch where your thumb is, thats what I used instead if I recall correctly.
@@GrowlingSidewinder thank you
What is your opinion of the warthog vs. Orion?
What is your Hotas of choice? This will be my first Hotas. I don’t want second best.
Wait, did you just upload three video in a day?
Indeed, it’s been a busy day.
hi
I would love a collective head for a Apache
I've watched several of your review videos to help me decide on what to get for a flight stick and throttle. What I'm thinking about doing is buying from Winwing:
Take off panel
Combat ready panel
F/A-18 throttle
And from Thrustmaster:
F/A-18 Hornet grip
Can these be use together, even though they are from different companies? I'm assuming yes, but I thought I'd ask. I've got about 2 months or so before I get my pc delivered. I saw on the Winwing site some things are going to be restocked soon and I'd like to go ahead buy to give everything a go. I also got an Alienware laptop to use for an extra pc for capture/streaming and such. It also let's me fly flight sims like Microsoft Flight Simulator, and other games like ArmA series.
Your thoughts and advice on components I may have missed to get everything decked out right would be greatly appreciated.
Almost forgot I have a Blackwidow chroma keyboard. I bought that a year before my wife passed away. Never been used. This old fart here hasn't got anything left, but good memories and some time to return to gaming.
Anyhow, thank you for great videos. Your service. It really feels good to know something about what keeps a fighter pilot alive, but more importantly for the men and women on the ground who were kept safe because of the skills and bravery of a special type of person. Thank you. Take care!✌
Hey man thank you for your support and yes you can use that set up they will work together Just keep in mind if ur getting the thrustmaster f-18 stick you will also need rudder pedals.
@@GrowlingSidewinder Great! Thank you! I knew I was forgetting something! I've seen several types, but I'll look again to see what you may have reviewed. I'll also look to see if Thrustmaster has one, that may work with the flight stick. Thanks again! ✌
@@Groundhog1471 my pleasure, I haven't reviewed any pedals but I recommend the thrustmaster trp pedals if you can swing the cost.
@@GrowlingSidewinder Ok. So I totally missed your last post, about not having a review. That's totally cool, because I got to see a lot of other videos you have, and I'm totally wrapped up in how you explain everything.
What I found as an average price of $569, I did find one for $481.49. I'm going to order that tomorrow.
The F/A 18 Thrustmaster I found the grip on Ebay from the manufacturer, but I don't think it comes with a base. I'm waiting on a reply from them.
Everything else I told you about I'm going to order from Winwing tomorrow also. I saw a post about having to pay customs. Hopefully that doesn't break the bank.
Again, I can't thank you enough for taking the time for your videos and reviews. Not to mention your recommendations. Hopefully while I wait for my pc build I'll have the time to test out everything and Actually be ready to fly in DCS, and the other games I've always loved playing.
Take care, and when I have everything set up, I'll make a video to share with you and everyone here. ✌
@@Groundhog1471 I'm in the same boat right now that you were in 6 months ago. Do you have an update? I'm looking to start buying all my hotas stuff now and I'm just in the beginning phase so any recommendations or advice from someone that recently went through it would be much appreciated.
Those switches look like they're straight off a guitar. Should last awhile...
that is really cool stuff. Ive started playing and ive got 54 hours. i know its not alot but i play on keyboard so it would be great if you could do a give away because i really want to keep playing and enjoy like you do.
If he was in the Air force he would be a fighter ace
After being properly trained of course, being able to fly very well in DCS means you can probably fly better than someone who doesn't fly at all
Can I have your old stuff?
GS hand reveal?
Nope, was allready shown in a different hardware video
Can you twist the stick for rudders or will you have to buy the peddles with this one
You will need pedals or you can purchase a winwing attachment that will allow the stick to twist
@@GrowlingSidewinder which attachment
Please
We are going to take advantage of the black Friday sale
Need to do a update on the review with the attachment please
I have seen a couple of your review and setup videos, I am still wondering how you handle rudder control.
I have Thrustmaster TRP pedals
When is Champion finna sponsor you?
looool i wish dude, I have so much of their shit.
@@GrowlingSidewinder never bought sny of their products
This makes me annoyed that I bought a complete virpil setup about 4 months ago..
AND my Mongoose CM3 throttle broke after a month... I got tech support to send me the wires I needed but replacing the components I needed to replace was MAJOR surgery for the throttle.
1500$ in my country 🤣🤣🤣🤣 dude I get the efforts put on but 1500$ is too very much it's equivalent to high end Sony cameras .
Im more of an VIRPIL guy myself
i could have been first, but decided to watch the video fist, which i really liked btw.
You made the right choice.
People watching this video knowing you can’t afford any of it
👇
You should do a giveaway of some of your old stick and throttles!
great idea!
Yeah thats a great idea
@one night or like when you're minding your own business and some random person wants to be an asshole.
@@MrFarnanonical He's not an asshole. GS bought all of that stuff, and you're proposing him to give it to you or others for free.
Maybe go buy it if you want it instead of begging along with others for free stuff.
thats not a good idea someone isnt gonna give his stuff away for no reason
Also can you do a face reveal
I'm sorry but those wires on the throttle...there is just a point when they are going to fail. No wire harness is designed to take that level of bending for the amount of hours we put into this sim. None. Regardless what Winwing says. That is the one sticking point I can't get over. Maybe they have a replacement if that does happen, but the way it is, there had to be a better solution than that. Yes it's really cool the idea that you can swap throttle heads, but lets see how those wires are in a year from now. The rest of it looks great.
Make a video on pakistani f16 vs indian sukhoi 30mki
Once Winwing sells you the product, you never hear back from them. I complained about several issues and NEVER heard back. Stay clear...
The price for these is obnoxious
lovely throttle but pretty useless in vr, no way anyone can tell where most of those buttons
Are there extensions for the ORION ? I see the Super L has one but not to be used for Orion ??