Should you buy used pc parts?
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- čas přidán 12. 05. 2024
- Today I take you on a ride where I shop, buy, receive, inspect, and build a low budget gaming PC sourced entirely from Ebay...
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00:00 Intro
01:15 Parts Selection
15:10 Unboxing Stuff
22:31 Bench Testing
31:21 Case Review
35:43 Conclusions - Věda a technologie
PayPal and eBay both have buyer protection for DOA or "not as listed" items.
^ THIS.
Ebay back in the day used to get all these damn court cases about screwed up items until they finally said, "enough of this shit," and launched a bunch of buyer protection programs. Now, I feel fully safe ordering from Ebay and in all my time ordering with them, I've only ever had one item be, "not as listed," which was a 980 Ti. And even then, the buyer was super nice. Gave me a refund without asking for the item back or anything. (Actually I tried to take it down to a repair shop so he wouldn't have to refund all of it at least, but he just wanted to be done with it. lol)
Yeah, it literally says "Buyer Protection" all over the place.
@@arnox4554 yea some of these sellers are shady
@@joshuamorris9050 And you also get shady buyers to be fair........
just make sure to take pictures of everything when opening the boxes. then you have more chance of getting your money back with "not as listed"
Hi Jay, eBay's money back guarantee will have you covered, the "No Returns Accepted" part is for when someone just changes their mind on things. When a purchase is found to be faulty or damaged then the protections of the eBay money back guarantee will kick in.
The 1st step is to contact the seller and ask for a refund because the CPU had missing pins, If they say no, file a complaint with eBay and they will side with you over this and you will get a refund! About the only way eBay my not side with you, would be if you waited a long while before you claimed the CPU had bent pins. I am not sure if they still do, but I remember in the past eBay would wait up to 2 weeks before the funds of a sale on electronics was made available to the seller.
Jay is so freaking uninformed in anything that escapes his tiny bubble, it's almost comical...
yep Ebay has safeguards in it's sales so that you can get recomped when things go bad with what you bought. It's almost never buyer beware, more like the oppisite
@@YOEL_44 even in his tiny bubble he doesn’t know much, I mean come on, what was the first amd overclocking video
agree, ebay buyer protection is if you receive an item and it is "not as described" ie working. you get a refund.
I personally haven't ever bought used, but as an enthusiast who upgrades needlessly I sell my components. Everything I've ever sold has gone smoothly without anyone complaining about parts not working because I pull them out of a functioning system and sell them.
I had a guy start texting me angerly about the ram i sold him being bad. I knew it was good so I ignored it and later he said it was ok.
As someone who sells on ebay this video was great for me, Seeing how lazy some people can be with their packaging is wild. Us ebay sellers only have that feedback no point in risking a bad one from shipping damage due to lack of material.
My guy. I literally just got a free GPU and RAM because I tried to buy a used tower and the seller wrapped a linen sheet around it and put it in an oversized box. Box was dropped in shipping, case feet caved in, screws sheared off backplate, PCI-E slot ripped halfway off. It may even be repairable, but i got it for free because it's not worth it for them to pay $60 to ship back a gamble
With the CPU, you should contact the seller for a refund. 9/10 the seller will give you a refund. Lastly, eBay has a buyer protection policy so even if someone is selling something as "no returns", eBay will make the buyer refund you for a product that is "not as described."
yeah that No Returns" is if the product is as presented used But Good this was obviously NOT Good and Damaged.
@@AlbertoMartinez765 They can say no returns all they want, but if its described as working and is not, that sellers no returns just got thrown out the window, Ebay will make him refund the buyer or well ebay will refund the buyer and seller has to fight ebay on it.
As these two other commenters have said here, the "no returns" thing is in a situation where it's "oh no, I bought the wrong thing" or whatever, it has nothing to do with defective parts, which would obviously be covered by buyer protection.
what if the sellers says, when i send it, the pins were ok
I only needed to do it once, but ebay is basically no questions asked, if the item isn't as described, or faulty etc they issue a refund.
yea ebay is pretty legit, especially nowadays, one of my favorite places to shop
The only issue is people abuse the fuc out of it...they use the items then get 30 days to return it. So..
@@floridalottery3134 It's the same for retailers in my country. Everything you buy online in Europe has at least 14 days return without questions asked policy.
@@floridalottery3134 It's 180 days for Paypal, and people will wait 179 days to ask for a refund. :(
@@floridalottery3134 part of the reason why i don't like selling on ebay for all the stuff i don't need rather scrap the stuff
eBay buyer protection is amazing. Every time I have gotten a bad product I have gotten a refund, no questions, not even a return, but components like that Ryzen chip will probably require it, but eBay is REALLY good about forcing the seller to stand behind their products if they are damaged.
Yeah i'm not sure why he was saying that you couldn't get your money back. Ebay has a reputation for siding with buyers when it comes to refunds.
it's so amazing that it's a scammer paradise. ppl just take your shit and get refund
When it's that amazing to the point of being abusive, they did not get it right. And thats exactly what happened. There is so much buyer protection that seller has zero recourse for anything: buyer can literally claim anything and get his/her money back and seller would have to spend a fortune on a lawyer to do anything (even with all the proper proof). I've sold on ebay for nearly a decade and it's turned into scammers paradise for buyers (used to be sellers). I don't think a middle ground will ever exist because someone always wants to screw someone else over.
@@NM-vw6xqthe middle ground would be for EBay to spend their own money and hire (a lot) of teams of mediators to oversee each case. This will probably never happen, as I imagine that would seriously cut into their margins.
@@nathannewell3327EBay is also making their sellers pay for it now, so EBay is no longer a platform worth selling on for the little guy unless you want to lose 15% on a sale. Local marketplace and Craigslist it is for me.
eBay has some of the best buyer protection, so even if you get scammed or get a defective part, all you really lose is time.
For someone who always wants to avoid problems by buying new you sure took alot of questionable chances when selecting these parts. Its pretty easy to find used parts from reliable sellers and ebay has buyer protection so in essence the no return policy is null and void.
Never buy an AM4 cpu that doesn't have photos of the pins in the listing, unless the box is still sealed.
@@rbitrossome if anything marked working comes damaged you can use ebays protection. they *usually have no reason to send you broken stuff. (surprised jay did as I've bought a more than a few cpus and never had an issue)
I'm pretty sure he did it on purpose think someone has never used ebay to buy parts
And read it carefully I was looking at some. Used cpus and someone was selling just the box for like 100.00.
The "no return" thing is only if you *want* to return the item, just like the power supply vendor could have done with their PSU. If it's defective, the buyer protection applies.
X370 was not native generation for 3000 series Ryzen CPUs. X370 was native for the 1000 series chips like the Ryzen 1700
yeah isn't it B450 and X470 for 2- 3000 ryzen?..
Yeah, I was scrolling to see a comment saying this if not I would've said it myself.
@@chloedevereaux1801 Even the 500 series motherboards - you had to do a BIOS update to get Ryzen 5000 chips to work on earlier X570 and B550 boards
A320/B350/X370 was 1Gen native. ryzen 1000 (A320 came out before even ryzen for last gen A processors like the A12-9800)
B450/X470 was 2Gen nelative ryzen 2000
A520/B550/X570 was native for 3Gen Ryzen 3000
Ryzen 4000/5000 didnt get new motherboards.
X570 is the only one with Full support of all generations. A520/B550 usually does not support 1/2gen + 3gen APUs, but i reality they can run but with mixed results (unstability, non working m.2)
Some older boards lose support for older cpus if updated to newer bios, some should but does not. some can be flashed back to older bios, some dont allow it. Its messy in reality with AM4 but thats what You get if you support so much generations.
He should have taken this board and flashed it to 5000 series and purchased a used 5600/5600X for much greater perf on the cheap.
Looks pretty badass for a used budget build. Great video as always, Jay! I'm sure this'll be useful for a lot of new builders
Man it really shows how Jay uses nothing but new parts. He doesn't know he CAN do returns on faulty/inaccurate products. Ive built all my pcs from mostly used parts from ebay, offerup & mercari no problems when returns were needed.
meh new always work's kid.🤣🤣🤣
But the world is not USA, where I live there is no ebay. Here i can only trust in the seller that he is not a scammer
@@SaraMorgan-ym6ue you look middle aged yet you post emotes with every comment it's embarassing honestly.
I'm honestly surprised that the GPU worked. I can't imagine why anyone wouldn't have just straightened the metal plate on the GPU before selling it. It takes about 90 seconds and could have easily resulted in another $20-$40 by not having it look damaged.
I have a feeling that occurred when the seller was yanking the card out of his system.
The backplate I agree is a touch-n-go type thing. In the past, I've had plates that needed to be bent to fit inside some horrible PCs we had to work on.
We got some white-box PCs from a local builder that came in with no video cards and only the CD-drive, hard disk, motherboard and RAM. We had the fun of finishing off the machines for the customers because that required adding in a standard video card plus a Broadway MPEG decoder. The video card had to be matched with the Broadway card and that wasn't always possible, so we stocked the video cards separately and bought the cheap generic white boxes.
These cases were horrible and so was the build. I made many recommendations to management to ditch the supplier because we had some cards actually fall out of slots and the motherboards weren't always grounded!
When an expensive video capture card fried due to falling out of the slots, the boss was told to forget his friendship with the PC-supplier and find someone else.
This was back in the 1990s and the card from ///Fast AG cost $25K USD. Today, we use USB cables and cheaper cameras. Back then, the camera was also in the $25K range and the video quality was adequate for VHS tapes.
We also had a backplate that was bent, not because it wouldn't fit properly due to the cheap case. That card we were told was dropped. From the outside appearances, the card looked okay. Who knows what the problem was but the card ended up being scrapped.
In the end, the PC supplier went belly up a short time after the company pulled its contract.
had to of been in shipping that deflated air packing shows it, shitty shipping on the seller
@@HkRose Nope. He said the listing showed the bent bracket.
@@Clavichordist If the seller didn't use a open bench rack, than I doubt that the bending happened this way. It would most likely bend outwards. This card fell on the slot tab of the front plate and absorbed just enough energy. At the presumed angle it fell backwards on its PCB. Maybe the screws on the back provided just enough clearance or the card fell on a carpet.
@@WirrWicht The plate didn't get bent to make the card fit, I agree but if he just yanked the card out of a computer without care, that could also bend the tabs.
There really are so many possibilities for a bend or a twist.
May be Jay should set up a drop test to see which drop, fall, pull test causes the issue. 🙂
i bought most of my pc second hand, its worth about £1700k but i bought everything for £1200! super happy with the results lol ive been using it for about a month or two and it's great
I've spent close to 14k on used parts on ebay and can't think of a time I've lost money, sure I've had faulty stuff but ebay have always sided with me and got my money back
@@yahyasajid5113 jay doesn’t know that
@@yahyasajid5113 Can only agree! As long as you don't tamper with the item and are able to describe the issue. And yeah, feels like PayPal loves to side with the customer. Had some annoying ones and always had a tough time convincing PayPal of my PoV.
You usually get better buyer protection from Ebay because of irregularities. And if you apply the same principles we all do for deciding value to performance in a CPU. It's worth it, if you can score a big enough discount to warrant not able to return it because you "don't like it." My goal is at least 50% off retail when buying second-hand. That might seem lowball-ish, but catching a brand new bundle on sale can save you up to 30% off retail. I'd buy that over second-hand for a small discount. So my suggestion is if you're going to do it, make sure the juice is worth the squeeze.
is Steve selling drives?☺🤣
Recently, I built a PC using mostly used parts. An ebay seller wouldn't actually ship the CPU that we had ordered. We ended up ordering a new CPU and, surprisingly, the used motherboard we ordered had the BIOS updated. Something to take into consideration when buying used parts. Sometimes parts are compatible but require a bios update and sometimes those boards do not have an updated bios.
In a part 2, you should actually go through the process of utilizing the eBay buyer protection which should cover you in this case to show people how it works. I've had to use it a few times before and they are very good at defending buyers from bad sellers.
My experience as well. PayPal on the other hand backs the seller almost all the time.
@@kencreppin2146 I sell second hand IT stuff and if a buyer wants his money back after using a product for 179 days, Paypal will 100% refund them their money without them even returning the item for me to check...
@@kencreppin2146 sellers would disagree!
@@kencreppin2146 You are literally shot the buyer is backed up and will win EVERY time unless you clearly said something that makes it clear that you are trying to pull a scam or didn't read the description right. This isn't an opinion, its a fact.
Hint: Check what the other items people are selling are. A lot of people grab up items for cheap and then resell on eBay to make a quick buck. If they are selling only computer parts, there should be a better chance that they know what to look for in a faulty part. If they are selling an assortment however, it could mean they have no clue about what works and does not work. Hint 2: Private sellers like I was are generally willing to take more pictures if you ask them. The buyer of the motherboard, CPU, and Memory combo I sold this year asked for some more close up shots of both the CPU and motherboard which I was more than willing to provide. eBay has a pretty good system in place for private sellers and potential buyers to communicate with one another.
I love it, reusing old scrap is something I absolutely enjoy doing and seeing others do. I really hope we can get more of this type of vids
*looks at my ebay parts pc
"it okay buddy, you ain't scrap."
Same, I sometimes get a car ot two full of PCs that would otherwise get scrapped by companies. Some are older Phenom2/APU/1st gen, most are 3rd/4th gen Intel but I also got a A320M+ 3200G and a X99 with i7 5930X.
i scored a 1070 for $75 on ebay. real 1070, works perfectly fine. was a great find !
Jay Needs Alcohol again🤣🤣
The PCs I've built through the years have always been a mix of brand new and secondhand parts. Only once did one of the parts I bought secondhand (a 1650) failed on me, and ironically enough, I got it from a guy who lived just a few blocks away from me. Yes, there are risks to buying secondhand parts, but these risks can be minimized if you know where to look, how to inspect parts, and troubleshoot.
Also as others stated ebay byer protection is pretty damn good now. It's not the wild west it used to be.
Honestly Jay can get his money back from Ebay if he talks to them about the CPU not working. He has video evidence that it was damaged and he even tried to trouble shoot. Not only would Ebay protection help, but if he had bought it with PayPal he would've gotten his money back already just starting a claim. I always sell my used parts on Ebay and make sure I describe as much as possible. So far I have only had happy customers.
@@Nighterlev No I mean since he made the video, he would've gotten it relatively quickly. He has proof, he is a known entity, etc. IT wont be instant no, but by if he did it before posting the video it would have probably been over by the time the video was posted.
Yes exactly, the benefits outweigh the risks if you know what you're doing. I built my first ever PC a few weeks ago and I also mixed used and new parts.
I prefer to wait 1 year to buy new products, than buying used a few months. I just dont like being sloppy second.
Jay has done a little bit of fear mongering when it comes to buying used parts. Even if the seller does not accept returns. EBay guarantees money back if the items do not work in the way that the seller mentions in the description. Or even if the seller has no description and just has it as used. EBay still guarantees that you're going to get a working item or you get your money back because if it didn't work then it would have to be listed as parts are not working.
Maybe he's just ignorant about how ebay works (because he doesnt buy from it)?
Idk if I'd consider it "fear mongering". I doubt he's deliberately trying to scare people away from using ebay. He probably just isn't aware you can return things. I just found it out as well from the comment section.
I think the point is that you're still taking a chance on the actual item you get. For instance, when covid first became a thing and everyone started working from home, I know a lot of people who scrambled to buy or build computers to use at home, some with less than a week's notice. That money back guarantee doesn't automatically provide you with the component you need when you actually need it.
If time isn't an issue, then sure, you can take chances on potentially risky items with the assurance that you won't lose your money. But if time matters, you're going to end up doing what he did and try to get a replacement part. That all factors in to the experience, and I think it's worth at least pointing out, especially since this whole video is geared toward inexperienced builders.
@@SunshineDeluxe he wrote off the CPU when you could send it back. He also wrote off the power supply when you can send that back too. The seller marked the power supply as brand new which is a lie. eBay customer protection covers that. CPU seller did not mention any of the damage which is a misleading post. eBay customer protection covers that.
@@simonebaraldi9440 maybe. Fear-mongering is kind of a strong term but it gets my point across for people that are already afraid buying used parts.
This is the build i've always wanted to see. The used build. It's a shame he didn't get a confirmed bit-mining GPU just so we could see what it takes to bring one of those back up to spec. [you can usually tell from the seller's purchase history if they are into bit-mining]. Maybe we can have another video dedicated to refurbishing bit-mining GPU's, as there are bound to be tons of 3080's, and 3090's on the used market. Also, that slide of the CPU @16:27 shows a couple of missing pins. Now at @21:47 as Jayz discovers the missing pins. One fix, is to find some pins from something else, place these in the CPU socket in the correct location, but not all the way in. When you put the CPU in it lines up and makes the connection. When you change the CPU, you fish those pins out with a strong magnet attached to a screwdriver or similar to draw those pins out.
Honestly that workload is fine. It's steady, and depending on their storage and ambient temp it might be safer than it coming from some user in Montana who is fluctuating between room ambient (cold as hell) and 80c. I have bought gpus knowing that they were mining cards and had zero issues. My trusty 1060ti
People who leave their PCs running AFK in game main menus churning out 200 FPS doing nothing put an even greater load on the poor GPU than GPU mining does.
Love how honest and forward your videos are. How informational and accurate. You've single handedly turned an interest of mine into a passionate hobby. Get better Jay. Thanks for it all, you and your team.
the cpu is missing pins🤣🤣
eBay has a money back guarantee for items that are "not as described" which pretty much makes the seller take it back, you should also always check for pictures of the socket on LGA motherboards and the pins on a PGA CPU because sometimes they might arrived broken and the seller may try to accuse you of doing it..
the Seller will still lose. Ebay will always side with Buyer in most cases.
What I love about my country (Finland) is that we have a couple of respected tech forums with a market place where you can buy used parts with a pretty peaceful mind because you 99% of the time get what you pay for. In fact, in my 20 years of building my own computers I've only bought brand new components a few times, a brand new GPU just once I believe, and everything else has usually been second hand. Just 2 months ago I got a used RTX 3070 for €400 with a 1.5 year warranty.
1 in 100 dodgy listing is a lot lol
Yeah same here in the Netherlands, great community of hardware sellers
@@BeeWarrior_ That's the risk with the second hand market but you can check every users feedback and there's a thread where peopoe report dodgy people so it's overall very safe if you just do your research on the seller. I've never been scammed there and I've bought A LOT of stuff through that forum.
Same in Sweden with Sweclockers.
Can you please share with me some websites of those trusted markets? I live in germany and I've never bought tech stuff from its Ebay or FB-Marketplace, so I'm hesitant to buy a used GPU from there. If sellers in Finland ship to germany, I'd like to buy from there.
i bought a used MoBo for my first PC build. Was a little nervous about it (especially bc the deep discount - despite being tested and working - was due to a couple of lightly bent pins on the CPU socket), but it ended up working perfectly. Paid 40 percent of new price, which I put into other components :)
I have that same case, and I love it. The only downside for me other than the ones you mentioned is that the included fans are molex powered and run full speed all the time, but that's not that big of a deal for having 4 included fans
The biggest advice I can give, when buying used parts is what you save in price you have to spend back in the time. Looking through listings to find the best ones, contacting the sellers to check what you're worried about, ask for photo of the cpu pins etc.
very VERY small price to pay if you find good deals. There are certain parts I would buy new even if looking for used deals.
I’d definitely go after eBay for a refund on that CPU
It’s just a propaganda piece from some old out of touch dude.
may not be so easy if the packages were laying around unopened for a month+ waiting for the video to be made
I love jay but i don't really think this is a fair assessment here, Ebay terms state that all items have to be sold as described and if they arrive doa or in this case with broken pins, then jay has 30 days (from the estimated delivery date) to open a SNAD dispute where he can return the item and ebay will assess if it really was a DOA arrival (And with jay unboxing it on camera like this, the seller doesn't have a leg to stand on)
@@dl4523 are you ok?
@@dl4523 Honestly man it IS borderline propaganda, but that's what I've come to expect from any tech reviewer. They all have their own person angle, and of course can't forget their sponsors.
I've bought a half dozen CPU's on Ebay and never had a problem. CPU's are pretty robust if all the pins are straight. Bought easily a dozen GPU's (maybe 2 dozen) and only ever had 1 fail after 6 months of use. Don't be afraid of used, its really not scarry
I know this is an older video, however, even if the seller has a "no return" policy you can use the Ebay buyer protection to get your money back for that CPU with missing pins as long as it was advertised as "used working" and not "parts only". I run a game server and have to keep a PC to run the game bot. When my existing motherboard quit working recently I purchased a used (upgraded) motherboard and processor. The MB was from a seller that provides a 30 day no questions asked return policy. The CPU was from an individual who said they were selling it because they upgraded to a newer processor (I also saw they had ther MB for sale in another listing.) There are definitely ways to save money and safely buy used parts, so I would still say in my circumstance, buying a used MB and CPU was the way to go.
ebay and paypal has buyer protection and this would count as not listed, the part is listed as working even though it clearly does not and is missing pins.
Yea but he bought them months ago.
@@LKLM138 yes I am aware I watched the video released after this one
For the record eBay will absolutely cover you if you buy something and it doesn't say no functional or damaged for parts which is a option when your creating a listing for a product. Therefore unless it says on the listing damaged for part's and it's not functional like that CPU. You can absolutely get a refund from eBay, if the listing says damage/ for parts then you cannot but otherwise you can.
I built 2 identical PCs in that case, it's a pretty good case with great airflow. My only issue is between the fans and the mesh is a cheap foam filter that was restricting air flow quite a lot until I removed them.
Every time a piece was missing something or could be damaged, it added on to my stress
And now seeing you trying to troubleshoot each part to figure out what's broken stresses me out even more.
The "Steve" banter was hilarious! I think it's funny when creators joke about one another in their videos! As a somewhat new PC gamer, I have a few components leftover from upgrading my current build, I've actually thought about buying used parts to build a second PC for my niece BUT after this I may reconsider. Thanks for the content Jay! ❤✌🏽
It would have been wild if Steve came out with a video saying that it was indeed his sale. 😁
Also, if you do choose to buy used you can somewhat protect yourself by demanding proof of testing/condition.
-- Photos of the CPU and pins at high resolution showing straight pins AND a video where they flip the chip over in front of the camera so you can see the serial number correlated to the pin condition. This prevents them using a pair of pictures of the serial they send you and pins from another chip. Plus a full CPUz report.
-- Drive usage test results that show uptime/usage statistics and serial number. And of course photos of the specimen.
-- GPUz report from the GPU in question showing the serial number. And photos of course.
-- Motherboard/CPU/GPU inventory compared to the "in this box" list you can get from the manual, which should be publicly available online. And photos that include the serial number.
-- RAM serial numbers and SPD information from CPUz. This will prove functionality as well as specs.
If the seller balks at producing ANY of these, walk away. A good seller will take the time to produce proof, especially since most of these only take a few minutes to generate.
Ebay has a buyer protection plan, so if you do buy used, it would be covered. Two different times, I had to use this guarantee. One with a CPU that had bent pins. Shipped it back for free, had a brand new one shipped to me. The second one was a GPU. I paid for a RX 6700XT, and received a RX 6500. Big difference in cards. Put in a claim, shipped it back and got a refund.
THB with you, Jay. Where I live, our domestic markets kind of have a code of conduct when You sell AMD CPU-s people always take 2 angle pics of Pins. When they don't people avoid it. But most do it. Consider it gentlemen's agreement.
Also, sellers usually send Viber Videos of the component working before shipping.
Same here, it´s the golden rule. It´s like you buy a car and don´t test drive it.
Well, if it makes you feel better my bud dropped my New March 16' R5 1600x. Bent about 70%+ of the pins. It's never had a problem on an an H60 Corsair @4-4.2ghz alll these yrs. Easily best CPU I've ever purchased for price/perf/longevity. Matches or very slightly beats single+threaded perf of R5 2700x. Silicone lotto or did the pins help?..….
@@garrett3540 lottery m8 i still Have a working FM2 x4 760k @4.7gh all core. But I like AMDs design more you can fix it most of the time and it wont melt if you sneeze on it.
I have bought over 70 used Small Form Factor (SFF) PCs from eBay for CPU Distributed Computing purposes. They have pretty much all worked flawlessly besides a missing hard drive or something here and there. Buying used rocks.
One thing I think Jay forgot to mention in this video is that there are reputable companies that do sell open box/used parts that usually come with warranty from them (at least here in the UK). Granted they're probably not as cheap as eBay listings but they're still cheaper than brand new and usually the return rights still apply. They're usually in the clearance section of the site and have letter grades (A being open box, so probably a return to C/D which has visible marks but still works) I'd say that's the happy medium for those on a budget but want a little peace of mind..
Ebay and pay pal will ALWAYS give you a refund or accept a return if the item comes not as described. Same with Mercari. A smart used shopper can get everything done at MUCH higher of a discount than Jay Got by going to different websites and buying different products from different people.
Most companies offer warranty be serial number so used items still have warranty if they're not too old. And in my country it is legally required that the warranty be on the product not the original purchaser
@@christianmino4073 As decribed is the key, many people hate reading or lack enough basic comprehension to spot the details so they get caught out.
"As is" or "As pictured"(and not being a clear enough pic or at the right angle can be delivered completely toasted and not be eligible for a refund because the description didn't say it was tested or funtional.
You have money back guarantee with eBay so if it arrives DOA and the listing doesn't mention this, you'll be able to get your money back.
The Rosewill Spectra is in an ABS-branded box because that's the chassis Newegg uses for their ABS Challenger desktop. See Steve's video about that.
If you are building on a budget I highly recommend shopping local first if you are in a decently populated area. Facebook marketplace has a shocking amount of stuff in my area. Once you find a part, ask if they have other stuff for sale too if they are parting out an old PC and you might be able to get a deal on both.
Also it really cannot be overstated just how important it is to look out for bent pins on AMD CPUs and Intel motherboards. Obviously checking the holes/pads on the AMD motherboard and Intel CPU is also important but usually the pins are the problem. Good luck and build on!
you have to be even more careful buying in person. I prefer to see it working before I buy from someone locally.
I recently took a gamble on a Mobo via Ebay but the seller took some extra time IMO the listing had pics of the socket and pins. Listed as used but when i got it plastic was still on it had pretty much everything in the box and has worked like a charm !
Good to see at least one realistic used market video. Nice job Jay.
honestly i have had a great experience with 2nd hand products, but trying to buy a cpu was terrible, lots of scamms which i luckily managed to not fall for, so my advice is buy almost anything except for cpu's.
edit: make sure you confirm everything is working and make screenshots of the things that are said. Also make sure you use buyer protection so with the evidence you can get your money back!
Same
eBay has a satisfaction guarantee, if something arrives not as advertised they will force a return even if the seller doesn’t accept them, so that isn’t lost money
Jay is the only person I've seen that actually cares about the box so much. I've been trading, buying, selling used pc and server equipment for so long and nobody really bats an eye about that.
while I do not agree with Jay's assertion that you shouldn't buy used unless you know the person. This is useful to point out the risks small (missing power cable) to big (DOA CPU) you take when buying used.
I like these build videos, please do more :) cheap, mid, to high-end builds. Unlike other million of youtube videos, I like the commentary, explanations, humor etc. Keep it up!
X370 is still a solid board. With the latest bios I was able to plop in a Ryzen 9 5900X into my MSi X370. I was so happy to find I was able to do that when I started looking around for what CPU I might be able to upgrade to without changing the board,
My current PC is a hybrid. Used GPU. Reused parts from my previous build (RAM, SSDs, AIO, PSU and case) and then new Motherboard and CPU. Has lasted me so far and I wouldn't be opposed to buying another used GPU.
Best used parts I ever picked up were a pair of HDDs, a 1TB and a 2TB off my local craigslist. Got them installed in my system and there was still data on them. The previous owner had been running a DJ business and he must have updated his hardware. They were FULL of music and CAD files. After deleting the CAD files, I was able to compile everything to one drive. Every time I hear something I like that's not shiny new music, I go back and search the "music" drive and I usually have what I'm looking for.
Thats pretty cool
I love videos like these. Please do more! I have bought 2 GPU’s off of eBay and I’ve never had a problem.
I would prefer he stick to what he does, and stay away from the used stuff. You want used stuff, watch LTT. I like that Jay doesn't dawdle in used. Gets a better idea of what you can expect when you are someone that refuses to buy used parts. And this video is a perfect example for that
Same I bought a 1070 about 4 years ago and it was used for a week and got it for $400. This time got a 2080 for $255 and zero issues with it. Honestly I'm one that buys pc parts 1 or 2 gens out as its much cheaper for me. Since I'm running the 2080 on a old 4690k I bough back in 2015 figured I would upgrade to a 10700k that I can get for about $200ish low-end. A MSI MPG z490 for about $100 bucks and if I want i can upgrade to a 11700k when it gets even cheaper. Then finally only because I like a ton of Ram 64gb corsair Vengeance and yea that one I'm buying new as Jay said in the video its so cheap. Don't need anything else as I'm bringing all my old parts and case with me and built a new pc that was a beast 3 years ago for only $400 bucks. I'm too old to care about the pc race anymore and don't mind buying used so I can get higher end parts that were beasts in their day which for me is usually 2-4 years ago
I love that you do this, b/c for so many (me for many many years) used is THE market for people to get capable and worthwhile level of power and functionality.
I love it. I would still buy new. I built a new one and went back and forth with Air Cooler or wanter cooler and at the end of the day went with Water cooler from be quite. Also all my fans were upgradced. I went with Corsair 4000D, but tried the Lian Li Airflow case and just was much harder to work in. The 4000D was like night and day difference. I have used Laptops for years and never used it in the last 5 years anywhere from my Desk or out of my house. I use my Tablet for that reason. I used some of your suggestion and my CPU is the AMD 7700 very happy with my build.
I always look close at the case dimensions in my super econ builds just to make sure I have room... I bought a cheapie from Newegg too. Looked real close at the case dimensions before I chose the one I did.
But there still might be a difference when you have your case in front of you. Just happened to me. On paper, everything fit perfectly. In reality? Not so much ... Never underestimate bulky hardware and psu cables ...
@@adoksym True, but that wasn't all that I considered. scrutinized the photos provided and used anything else provided by the manufacturer to make a final decision. Dimension was just a first parameter. If the case isn't deep enough then no amount of wishful thinking is going to make its volume larger.
I always love these types of videos.
i know myself from dealing with ebay if the items defective and not listed as faulty you can return it,
thats just it
or being like the guy trying to scam you if you buy it and it doesnt work leave him back feedback and return it if its listed as used, that helps fix the issues
I will never forget buying a CPU that only worked when the IHS was not pressed on by a strong mounting cooler. I remember an ROG am3+ board that was VERY picky about ram. I gamed on them and sold them and for some reason the items worked for the next person who purchased them. I did a disclaimer but I guess the buyer assumed I was naive. I got positive feedback on my sales and even reviews!
Like a bunch of others are saying, eBay buyer protection will force a refund if you get a defective or not as advertised product. It's really only the as advertised stuff to worry about, since they use that listing to get around potentially faulty products.
Love videos like this because they are relatable and will help the general consumer. A series like this would be great. Also if you are willing to take a hit it would be cool to test out some of the more fringe websites for PC parts to see how reliable you can get stuff to save a bit of money. Thanks for the hard work and time!
It's a good video aside from the number of times he brings up that "you're just out that money" you're not, you can't do a changed my mind return but faulty product is covered by the money back guarantee shown in the upper right corner of each listing. It wasn't sold as not working so he could have absolutely gotten his money back. Also it wasn't that long ago but uhhh 300 series boards are not the same generation as 3000 series processors, it was 300 boards to 1000 CPUs, 400 to 2000, and 500 to 3000. A couple brain farts on this one for Mr TwoCents
This schmuck can't even buy cpu used , how he can teach anyone ?
I've seen people bend the lowest tab on GPU's before.
If the GPU lines up on the bottom most part of the case and there is something in the inside bottom corner of the case that sticks out (cheap cases), it blocks the bottom tab and people bend it in to make it fit.
Apparently, the cheap case manufacturers think that no one ever uses the bottom slots anyway so they don't bother inspecting the proper fit.
one huge advantage of buying RAM used is that you'll be able to get exact details about the components/dies, if it's 1Rx16, 1Rx8 or 2Rx8 if that's important to you. All the stuff that's rarely advertised and hard to find out if you can't look at the chips directly or an HWinfo64 readout.
I would love more builds like this and upgrade paths from builds like this cause this build isn't too different from where my PC started last year
I would recommend that you searched for items that already sold, then you would have known what would be an acceptable offer to make to sellers. Thus, you probably would have saved some more money; maybe a significant amount more. Hope this advice helps.
Yea I do that when I sell products on ebay so I know what I can get in funds
@@Exodus-sh5mq Yeah exactly. It is a brilliant idea so that you can sell fast, and if you were buying, understand how low sellers will sell for.
Yeah you can find used B550 for $75 dollars why buy old AX370
@@jaggsta Business/tax write off.
Buying used is an amazing experience with DOA risk nearly the same as buying new if you follow many common sense and used buying practices. I've been a flipper buying used and know the guys who do it locally and it's a great way to build, troubleshoot, and make money.
great vid j! thanks for this!
Jay, can we get part 2 of this video, showing which games and at what settings can this pc handle ? I'm sure that would be welcomed by many who are insipired by your build🙂
Great video! Love the case and will hunt to find it at that price to finish up a second hand system
awesome subject matter , thanks again for the great video
All my systems are used parts. I reuse hard drives, case, and power supply that I bought new a few years ago on prime days. The rest is all used. I buy on FB marketplace or local classifieds. I always insist on testing and visual inspection before buying. I have never had an issue. I buy when there are Black Friday, Cyber Monday, Boxing Day or Prime Day sales. The local market tends to be flooded and pricing much lower for quick sale.
One thing that was mentioned but not explored was the read write cycles of that SSD. As nice and fast as they are, these drives have a limited lifespan and you can end up with an SSD that's well over halfway of its useful life when buying used. Always buy new SSDs if you can, or if you're really tight on budget, run some diagnostics on it like crystaldiskinfo to know what to expect of the drive.
What i would do is use the Ebay buyers protection to get my money back. If it is listed as functional and it isnt. You get your money back. Ive done it many times. I had to do it on a DOA 5950x when they were going for a grand. I got all my money back. Bought a 2nd one and got that one to work.
This. As long as the listing said the CPU worked, no damage, whatever, the buyer will likely get a return approved by ebay.
I was dumb and also but an AMD CPU with one missing Pin but because I had it laying around , waiting for my other parts to come , the 30 day protection expired and could do nothing about it
It says ABS because Rosewill supplies lots of things to the ABS (build service) side of Newegg. The "rebranding" is likely so that when they ship it in the case, it doesn't look out of place.
I just did two builds using almost entirely eBay parts (except for the SSD and case) and not only has it been crazy fun to bid on parts but you save a ton of money ($12.00 for a ryzen 5900X). The biggest issues I had was a couple CPU's that were really messed up and also a motherboard that was DoA - but in both cases I was able to get my money back and return those items.
I have that case, and you quickly found the exact problem I have with it, with the front panel not being able to be properly removed.
There's dust that got caught between the mesh and the fans on my build somehow, and it is *impossible* to remove without doing some stupid shit (like unplugging all front I/O and unmounting the fans). It's legitimately awful, and I'm considering moving everything into a Lancool case just to not have to deal with it anymore.
Update: I did do that. The Lancool 216 is so much better.
Picked up a Rx 6800 XT used on eBay for £400. Never been happier with a purchase.
How dare you, this out of touch CZcamsr says to never buy used!!!
Nice! :)
Huh, and I though the new rx 6800xt taichi I got for 540$ was a good deal. congrats! 👍
@@MarcABrown-tt1fp £400 is like 500usd, so close. I just bought a 6900 for 650, and i've seen a bunch at that price or even less.
I like your tact of playing the market with a budget over linus video looking at the most popular average hardware build. What you are doing in this video is what I do now.
15:10 I agree on this one. once bought a rather pricey item that was sent in 1 if these packages. It was badly damaged and looked like someone done a burn out on it. Item was damaged from rollers in transit process.
I bought an x370 motherboard, ryzen 7 1700, and 16gb ddr4 for $150 total, the mobo and cpu from ebay all back in August. Watching your video made me realize how lucky I was that the only thing I was missing was my IO shield and nothing else went wrong... I even got a spare cooler and backplate. Also the motherboard guy sent me tons of extra screws.
Millions of things are sold on eBay every day, this one guys experience is pointless. It made for a good youtube video, which was the only point, but you shouldn't draw any conclusions based on a handful of things one person bought specifically to make am exaggerated video for profit. If it was gonna be an honest video about the product received the thumbnail wouldn't be a clickbait picture of a hair like he's Gordon Ramsay or something.
No IO shield? Deal breaker! /s
Ebay is pretty much the only place I'll buy used hardware from because of paypal/ebay buyer protections. Unless its a really old cheap part where i can afford to risk getting a dud from fb marketplace or something
I bought alot of my PC parts used, it's a great way to reduce the cost if you know what things not to buy used like power supplies, processors or storage
I have done a lot of buying used off of Ebay and never had any real big problems. I just make sure the seller has a decent seller rating and when it comes to returns I have never had any problems returning something, especially if it came damaged.
With Ebay, if you buy with PayPal, they guarantee buyer protection and will refund you if the product doesn't arrive as it is in the listing. This can protect you against people who sell used CPUs with broken pins, for example.
If buying stuff off ebay in the uk at least if the item/s aren't as described, damaged, parts missing or doesn't arrive your covered by ebays money back guarantee unless the item was listed in the parts/not working category.
So with the couple of pins missing from the cpu you could have got your money back due to it not being as described, although that's only my interoperation of it, if its the actual case or not I'm unsure
Working vs not working should be a good case of "not as described" IMO
Things I learned trying to budget build with second hand parts. I got a bad board with bent pins that showed signs of excessive thermal paste. And that packaging can get ridiculous. A dh15 cooler that had suffered 5 degrees of torsion to the pipes. Not a surprise when it barely fit in the shipping box with no packing.
On my recent build I had a fixed budget, and to make it possible to improve it down the line, it had to be AM5.
The only brand new pieces I bought were the case (I had a specific aesthetic in mind and couldn't find it used ), the PSU and the storage.
The MoBo and cooler, I bought from LDLC (like french microcenter), that sells used stuff with a 2 years warranty. Also, they have a 14 day window to send back stuff, no questions asked.
The GPU and ram were bought online, but picked up by hand so I could inspect them.
Everything has worked perfectly this far and I even managed to oc the ram and the GPU a bit :).
With AMD always asked to see pin pics when speaking to the sellers.
Exactly, if the ad doesn't show the pins, you contact the seller and ask for a pic. If they don't comply, move on. Easy peasy. Jay seriously doesn't know how to use ebay correctly.
@@dragon2knight I think doing it this way is more indicative of how somebody without a lot of experience would go about it. Noone who doesn't have experience with computers would know to think about or ask these questions so I think this is a fair way to go about it even if I would never do it myself personally. You can say somebody should be more educated or whatever angle you want to hit it from but that's usually not the reality and people just get stuff and learn from mistakes rather than heavy duty research.
@@dragon2knight No. If the ad doesn't show the pins, you don't even waste your time contacting the seller. You immediately move on. A seller who doesn't know enough about what they're selling to take the appropriate pictures isn't worth bothering with. Time matters too. You're sitting there waiting to see if you get a response while I've already found a better listing with the right pictures and bought it.
@@mjc0961 It depends on their feedback to me. If they have good feedback, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and contact them, if the feedback is low I'll just move on.
Jay, you really should do an eBay AUCTION ONLY build! This is where patience really pays off, I've built several rigs by winning components at auction and have saved tons in the process.
used to do that but I think it was giving me a heart attack!
@@Born_Stellar refresh page refresh page refresh page check bid check bid check bid lol.
I really really like your videos and learn a lot. I also appreciate the fact that I can tell you were genuinely bummed about the cpu when overall all it affected was this video. It shows you care about your craft and the community. It honestly made me bummed because you were bummed lol
If you have experience at soldering the broken processor pins can be replaced. I remove the pins by putting the component in a preheater, it's always best to warm things up on large parts before soldering on them and it helps keep you from concentrating too much heat with air in a spot and doing damage. If you can get a frying pan up to 160F or 70c but not hotter that should work the solder should melt around 220-230F. Using a hot air solder station and tweezers the bad pins just lift off. You can get templates for the pins they just fit over the existing good straight pins and help you align the new pins. Make sure to check pin thickness with a micrometer because they come in different thicknesses. The template hole filled with SMD solder paste should be enough or a large BGA ball will probably work too, solder pins are not as critical as doing BGA work, you must perfect alignment and ball size. Unlike BGA soldering which takes more advanced skills, I think anyone with basic solder skills can replace pins if they knew how.
Already seeing people drag the eBay issues, so I'll just say that the Rosewill case is a pretty decent one for that price point. I rebuilt my "workstation" PC in it (air-cooled) and it was an easy build. The RGB is really nice too.
I honestly buy all my parts from eBay and Amazon, I find really good used deals on hardware IF you know what to look for, and some Chinese water-cooling brands that's really quality
Same. Mercari has been recently been the cheapest place for me.
I rep the cheap Xeon boards and Iceman coolers on Aliexpress to my friends for cheap builds.
4:15 3000 series is the 'third gen' ryzen. X370 boards are first gen. You wanted a 1000 series if you wanted to keep it the 'same gen'. It's still compatible though with a proper bios update.
X570 came out with 3000 series.
I am planning to pick up a second hand GPU after I bought a first hand motherboard. CPU. ram and case, as I can just grab some old storage.
Luckily, due to building an ITX build I could drive to France, Belgium or Germany or something to pick one up, or snatch one locally and be able to test it, which is quite nice.
Aside from used and new, don't forget about open-box! Amazon, Newegg, and Best Buy all have open-box filters.
Bought my Gigabyte B360M MOBO open box, i5-8500 used on Ebay, and 1660ti used on Facebook, all with no issues.
Gigabyte is the mobo value king. Save some money and a pcie slot if you can get on-board wifi/BT as well.
There's usually a plethora of Rosewill cases for $50.
The Amazon warehouse deals (open box) has been getting worse and worse through the years. I prefer a well documented eBay listing these days over the random crap that can be received from Amazon.
Amazon and Best Buy open box are great. Newegg open box is like playing Russian Roulette: you're playing a dangerous game if something is wrong. There's an entire Gamer's Nexus saga documenting the scumbag company and how they used consumers to get out of the losses of defective or damaged items.
I want MORE. I love watching Jay get creative. doesn't always have to be in custom designs. Just his passion is contagious.
Quick tip, for basic cables like power, USB, cheap HDMI, your big thrift stores (Goodwill, Arc, Value Village) is a great place to get one for like $1
X370 chipset was the 1XXX gen Ryzen. 2XXX and 3XXX was X470, 5XXX was X570. But, most X370 boards will boot right up with anything from first through third gen without a BIOS update.