@@hotdog1798 but he stuggled for it. He had to to about 32 flights a day, transporting batches of skydivers for the entire day and when it's done wash the plane himself at the end of the day.
I'm not a pilot and averagely interested in aviation, but your videos are so nice to watch and it's so stress-relieving just to look at the positive man talking about aviation stuff with a high level of professionalism and a constant smile on his face! I've recently subscribed to your channel and you're my favorite youtuber from now on. Keep up the great job!
Dumping a fuel is not an issue for the airlines companies, simply because it's already paid by the passengers on board, its all about environmental issues
@@Sarah-l7f6o To that I say - it's time to stock parachutes on board ;) If I was in a cramped torture seat that is every airplane seat these days for many hours I'd probably volunteer to just jump out :D
As you're being unloaded on a stretcher they whisper in your ear "do you have a credit card we can bill for the fuel we just dumped for your emergency?" Lol
It's very unusual and only done when they have to divert very early on a long flight and it's really urgent. There are a lot of pilots out there who never done a fuel dump in reality, although their aircraft is capable of doing it. I only know that over germany the average is 22 fuel dumps per year. But they had over 3 Million take offs and landings last year. So that would mean it happend on about 0.00073% of the flights. But you have also to consider that not every airplane is equipt to dump fuel.
Well, i honestly think it would be a waste of time to explain to persons like you the reason why you can see contrails because no matter what i would write, you wouldn't believe it anyway if it doesn't fit with your believe.
The F-111 dump and burn clip was from Brisbane's Riverfire festival, which is held annually. Unfortunately, the F-111s are retired so, instead of the dump and burn signalling the start/end of the fireworks, we get F-18 Superhornets just buzzing around in the afternoon. The dump and burn was also used at the opening ceremony of Expo '88 in Brisbane.
James Taylor West it's because about a month ago united airlines security beat up and kicked an Asian guy off the airplane even though he paid for his ticket because they overloaded it
buy Airberlin and give ryanair the pilots to re-initiate the canceled flight-lines, and try everything to get first class flying cheaper with the rest of the money...
@Daniel . that is a good question. I guess it's better to have a little more extra than not enough. If e.g. something happens (medical emergency etc.) and the pilot has to emergency land somewhere else (at a different airport) they'll be able to do so with the extra fuel. It's for contingency purposes.
Because you do not want to put the bare minimum on the plane to just cover the trip. You must account for variables such as headwind or storms that cause the plane to burn more than usual amounts of fuel. Also there can be emergencies such as weather or a terrorist act closing down the destination, forcing the plane to detour to a terminal further away.
I've done that before and I end up doing 200 Knots and kill the plane, the exercise that airlines should do when operating a bigger planes on short rout is to put what ever amount of fuel you need in order to keep the weight down. over fuel and dumping fuel is just a big waste of money and its bad for the environment, and hazard waste.
Anil Löeb It's not his fault that the airline overbooked,so why should he have to suffer the consequences? ''Oh you paid for this seat?Well,we're a bunch of idiots that overbooked this plane so please abandon any plans you had and please get off this plane and suffer the consequences of our mistake'' Seems unfair,doesn't it?
The flight wasn't even overbooked. Or rather, he wasn't removed because the flight was overbooked. Instead, what happened is that the airline decided to move some staff members to another location using that particular plane, and in order to do that, they kicked some passengers out because the plane was already full. Which makes it highly obnoxious. Law experts pointed out that United actually broke their own legal contract by doing that in this situation. In other words, what they did was illegal (because the contract has legal weight to it; it's not simply a sort of optional guideline that they can break at will.)
I just started an Airport Operations job with an airline and some coworkers were trying to explain this but I was just totally lost. Thanks for going more in depth!
Yeah , stick to ground level travel where you can be rapidly transported to a medical center... And not force someone to waste dozens of tons of fuel and delay other people. Plus the risk emergency landings involve , pilots train for them but your mind is never really ready for one so the risk is always higher than on a normal landing.
Capt Joe said there is a special overweight landing procedure for planes not equipped to dump fuel. All planes should be able to land asap in an emergency.
I do not mind the way he explains this, but deliberately dumping fuel onto the sea and land is unethical. They should prosecute people who do it, or the engineers who designed planes to carry more weight that is possible to fly with. List of carriers engaging in dumping jet fuel on people should be published.
Very well done Captain Joe. I have been working on aircraft for over 20 years. The average person really does not know how important the aircraft weight is at takeoff and landing. You do a fantastic job with these videos. Keep it up.
@@liamo5448 Yeah? It's a scary thought? It sounds like you're taking my joke seriously. Do you think people can control people's minds by dumping fuel from a plane?
UAL claimed at the time a regional affiliate company told them it was either putting a 4 person crew in the passenger section of the plane or cancelling a flight tomorrow because their "crew" would be out of their assigned scheduled position. UAL said they were not informed it would affect that doctor, however.
It is pure logic my Cap Dude. Simply eject the ill passenger and continue the flight, if you have a moral issue with this then feel better by ejecting the doctor with them, for care on the way back to sea level.
I’ve been on a plane once where the pilot’s dumped fuel (because we had fueled the previous day and the flight plan changed). Looked neat with the spray coming out of the wingtip.
@@flywithcaptainjoe I'm a newer subscriber to your channel. I've been fortunate enough to be flying on planes since I was 9 months old. I also got to experience flying on the older planes and 747 on Pan Am several times from JFK to LHW. My first 'solo' flight home when I was 14 this EXACT situation happened. We had started crossing Trans Atlantic, were halfway between Iceland and Ireland. Passenger had a massive heart attack. We turned back to Dublin to land, get the passenger to hospital. But, sadly, by that time a couple hours passed and he didn't make it. This was before AED's were on planes. This is how I decided to learn CPR and go towards the medical field. Because, you simply just never know. Love your videos, easy explanations for us 'lay' folk and your enthusiasm. I hope your dream is soon fulfilled to become a full fledged captain and maybe we'll cross paths someday on a trans Atlantic via Lufthansa, KLM, BA or the like. Grosse Wünsch aus Ohio!😊
True, but air travel is a relatively small part of that in the US. Small vehicles and heavy reliance on trucking contribute 80% of transportation sector emissions. By percentage of transportation sector emissions, aviation is a much larger issue in Europe (probably because they generally have higher intra-city transit adoption, somewhat less trucking overall, and so on). Of course reducing flying as possible is still a good goal, but cars are the biggest issue
Captain you gonna make university professors losting their job! I learned more in this 2 minute then in my last2 years of the class room.. Thanks captain!
Thank you for another informative video, Captain Joe. I appreciated the water bottle demonstration as well as the white board math example. You are an outstanding educator. You are clear, you break concepts down into understandable parts, and you look like you are having fun. Well done.
Thank you Captain Joe, I've learned a lot in this nice video very well explained answering to questions we may have. I ignored there was a max landing weight in the sense the plane can carry more fuel than tolerated to land with (if passengers+cargo is is loaded...), but for take off it's ok. Interesting difference well explained. Btw dumping fuel with flames would be more badass. ;D
When you have the EPA so deep in your pocket that you basically are the EPA there is nobody to look the other way. Now who contols all of this? Thats a story for another time. Hint: its not the government lol.
I guess the next time you fly and there's an emergency, the EPA should just let you crash and burn up because people find fuel dumping to be a scam by the EPA.
@@jamesdalecopeland2719 Its called regulatory capture. Scott Pruitt, an Exxon employee, used to be a the head of EPA and then got replaced by Wheeler, another pawn of corporation.
@@eisernfront8549Put whatever name on it you'd like. You dont have to convince me. I'm well aware of how the lobbyists work. I was simplifying it for the sheep.
All the technical jargon about the max landing weight apart, there's another way to look at it. The heavier you are at the time of landing, that harder you'll hit the ground. The harder you hit the ground, the more serious nature of injuries that you're likely to suffer. That bottle filled with that yellow liquid was the best possible way to put things in perspective.
@bobwatters I suppose planes could be fitted with a means of burning off the fuel without adding thrust, but then if something goes wrong with the system, your plane explodes. It's probably also more environmentally-friendly to dump it into the atmosphere than burn it off.
tomkandy unless you pay cash! I paid 2,700 for a surgery I unfortunately had to have, but if it was billed through insurance here in NV its 27,000! (Laparoscopic cholecystectomy) pay cash, the American way!
NO.....if I was comptroller of a company there would be no dumping of fuel for some old fuck who may or may not live to go to a hospital. You wait until we get to where we're going.
He said 77,000 lbs is 77,000 tons,......did anybody in math class learn what I had....that a ton is 2,000 lbs? Simple math and nobody else seemed to have caught that😉😂🤔
How about we keep the fuel, but we flush the Creamy mushroom farfalle bake! Should save us a few ton's and keep the air con smelling sweet at the same time.
Really interesting video, thanks Captain Joe. As an Afrikaans speaking South African, your pronunciation of the F-111 "Aardvark" put a real big smile on my face. FYI, it is pronounced something like "aart furk". Yes, the 'd's are 't's and the 'v's are 'f's in Afrikaans.
They don't have to sit in the cockpit. On a recent flight to Argentina both the captain and the copilot came back to economy class and sat in the two empty seats in my row. I asked them who was flying the plane and they said another passenger was having a go. Cool, says I, can I have a go too? They said yeah but I'd have to fight the other passenger to get to sit in the seat. I fought him and won and had a bit of a fly about going up and down and backwards and forwards for 8 or 10 minutes. Then another passenger came in and started fighting me for the controls but I let her win because I was pretty broke up from the first fight and my heart wasn't in it. I went back to my seat and the two pilots were fast asleep and didn't wake up until one of them had to land the thing. It was the best flight ever and everyone clapped so much when we landed. The pilots names? Albert and Einstein.
One deployment we had a KC-135 stratotanker take off and while the boom operator was checking the boom he extended it while still stowed. The hydraulics cut out and it was stuck out so the crew couldn't dump fuel. They had to fly for over 13 hours to be light enough to land. They were very unhappy when I got them in debrief.
"will you eat green eggs and ham sam I am? in a house? on a plane? under a bri--" (german overlord starts striking me with his cane). "NEIN NEIN NEIN!!! YOU SAY IT RHYME!!! YOU SAY IT RHYME RIGHT NOW!!!"
And suddently, everyone in the comment section knows more about plane engineering than the pilot who studied planes and how to operate them for years! Conspiracy theories are fun, but believing in them to the point of stating "facts" that you heard here and there or ideas that you came up with that have no proof to back them up (unlike actual science) is ridiculous.
James Carter I know it is not every single person commenting, but we can't say that the majority isn't pretending to state facts that have no tangible proof in favor of a conspiracy theory, thus trying to discredit a goddamm independant pilot who is sharing his experience with planes. Please disregard the tone of my reply, it is not for you. I am simply irritated by these people.
I appreciate your courtesy. I honestly think at least 80% of the people just saying 'chemtrails' or the like are solely regurgitating the joke du jour on the subject and don't believe it. In the main feed, out of the first 60 comments which are coming up at the moment, only two are genuinely pro-chemtrails, and four comments including yours are claiming that "everyone" or a majority here, is promoting a conspiracy, whereas even if you include the weird ones saying jets don't burn liquid fuel, about 75% of the comments are not promoting conspiracy of any kind. Generalized admonitions don't make anyone inclined to say "that's about me and I should take the unspoken advice of people who are calling me an idiot while not explaining the hard science they claim to know". Somehow the simple point of 'different atmospheric conditions can make jet streams predisposed to remaining in the atmosphere for long periods' gets lost among all the 'people are stupid' comments.
Thank you Captain Joe, I didn't know that fuel, weight, and flight time (along with distance) is carefully calculated prior to a plane landing. I also wondered how the fuel dissipates, (correct altitude evaporates fuel before it hits the surface). I originally thought it fell on the surface and or water causing contamination. Wow! No wonder why being a pilot can sometimes be stressful. Great video for laymen like myself!
Kwazi Donsta No, but it is possible for toilet waste to leak. A man in California won a lawsuit against an airline when chunks of "blue ice" came crashing through the skylight of his yacht. This was the result of a leak. In addition, a 727 once had an engine separate after ingesting leaked toilet waste. Man, this got gross quickly...
Liam Weaver In a war situation would airlines be forced to use their planes as high altitude bombers by dropping their waste on potential enemy targets?
Liam Weaver I don't think so... certainly toilet sweage storage is also in the pressurelized part of the plane otherwise you get an unpressurelized part connect to pressurelized part... which will create unfavoritable result... But I do think older plane or airliner that do not have pressurelization can just dump them out directly
3:51 that happened in a mission in a flight game called extreme landings pro and you should dump half the fuel and land back to the airport where you took off from the mission
i have a question, it might sound a bit stupid but here it goes: How do they calculate the passengers weight? i understand they have the passenger´s cargo weight, but do they take in count the actual weight of the passengers? i assume they make some sort of aproximation, but sometimes this aprox could be very wrong, and it could cause an accident, which aparently has never happened or it happens not very often. So can anyone explain me how it actually works? Sorry for my trashy english and thank you.
Air operators use standard passenger and bag weight tables that have into consideration sex (males are heavier than females), age (children are lighter than adults), region (in certain regions people tend to be heavier than in others) and season (in winter people wear heavier clothes). Tables are produced by the corresponding air authority or the operators themselves under approval.
BasicallyPeter . In the US we use an FAA approved/specified average weight - it may vary slightly between airlines but is approximately 180lbs per passenger, and is 10lbs higher in the winter because people wear heavier clothing. II sounds a little sketchy but actually works pretty well; obviously there can be variations in the passengers but the larger the plane, the more likely that for every heavy passenger there is a lighter passenger somewhere else in the plane. If we’re flying a group that we know to be non-standard, for example a football team or a school group, we make adjustments. We also use slightly different weights for the cockpit and cabin crew members (less, particularly for flight attendants). And periodically the airlines and FAA will actually weigh groups of passengers and revise the standard weight as necessary. Different airlines do things slightly differently but in our operations center, there is an entire group of analysts that worry only about the weight of each flight (others specialize in weather, routing, crew legality, maintenance issues, etc). Most of the time it’s not critical but as Joe mentioned there are limits for every airplane, both structural limits and also performance limits (runway length limits can also limit the weight of an airplane, as can weather), and though rare there are times where they are monitoring the boarding of each individual passenger in the operations center (when your ticket is scanned in the gate, it shows up instantly on the airplane map in the operations center). It’s more of an issue with smaller airplanes, particularly the regional jets, where each passenger represents a larger individual percentage of the airplane’s total weight and thus has a larger individual effect. Finally, as a “by the way”, most smaller planes including both the.B737 and A320 families and all regional jets do not have fuel dumps. If they’re overweight they have to fly around and burn off the excess fuel, or if an emergency, land overweight and accept that the airplane will be grounded pending a maintenance inspection.
I'm a technical flight dispatcher here in Brazil, the national civil aviation agency determined this: adult passenger 80kg(176lbs), child 40kg(88lbs), and an infant 20 kg(44lbs). Those values already include their carry on luggages. In domestic flights every passenger is allowed to take with them as carry on luggage 10kg. And that's how we do the math, if we have a flight with 100 adults + 10 children + 5 infants and 5000lbs of dispatched luggage and no cargo the payload will be: 17600lb(adults) + 880lb(children) + 220lb(infnt) + 5000lb of luggages in the cargo compartment = 23700lbs of payload or traffic load.
THAT AINT FUEL THATS POISONOUS CHEM TRAILS TOXIC TO MAKE HUMANS SICK AND DIE (ANOTHER WAY TO MURDER PEOPLE FOR NEW WORLD ORDER : AGENDA 21, 2030,2040,2050) DONT GET FOOLED PEOPLE OF PLANET EARTH WE ARE BEING ATTACKED FROM EVERY ANGLE AND THIS IS ANOTHER WAY TO MURDER US WITHOUT GETTING BLAMED..........SATANIC GLOBAL ELITES WHO RUNNING THE SHOW UNDER THE TABLE
THAT AINT FUEL THATS POISONOUS CHEM TRAILS TOXIC TO MAKE HUMANS SICK AND DIE (ANOTHER WAY TO MURDER PEOPLE FOR NEW WORLD ORDER : AGENDA 21, 2030,2040,2050) DONT GET FOOLED PEOPLE OF PLANET EARTH WE ARE BEING ATTACKED FROM EVERY ANGLE AND THIS IS ANOTHER WAY TO MURDER US WITHOUT GETTING BLAMED..........SATANIC GLOBAL ELITES WHO RUNNING THE SHOW UNDER THE TABLE
Increasing the strength of the frame would either require a much stronger yet lighter material or increase the size and weight of the frame. This material might not exist, and if it does it’s going to be way more expensive which will translate to the ticket costs of the passenger. If they just used ordinary steel and beefed up the frame, the operating weight of the plane would increase considerably. This increase in operating weight may require larger jet engines and would decrease fuel efficiency which would in turn increase the amount fuel consumed per flight. Not sure if burned fuel or raw fuel in atmosphere is worse, pick your poison I guess. These are multi billion dollar business that calculate precisely how to get the best profit margins. And they take hundreds of factors into consideration. In the end it all comes down to dollars, not the environment or our health.
@bharat suthar i dont think if you are wasting 77lakhs worth fuel in a single go if we can engineer everything than why dont they use some kind of fuel management system for example if you dont want xyz amount of fuel use some kind of kevlar bag fill it with fuel and drop it through parachute simple....
Like everything today we are getting poisoned each day from dozens of sources. Of course the common person is simple powerless and has no say so over the matter! Only getting worse each year.
For planes which don't have the ability to dump fuel, are they able to run their engines in a way that uses more fuel than usual so that they can land sooner?
I imagine all planes that need to dump fuel (ie those that are big enough to cause damage during an overweight landing) all have the ability to dump fuel. It would necessarily need to be part of the air worthiness certificate me thinks...
At 7:12 Joe says "smaller jet airliners like the Boeing 737 or the Airbus A320 which aren't fitted with the fuel jettison system have to burn the fuel by flying holding patterns until the aircraft is below the maximum landing weight or in urgent cases perform an overweight landing procedure". This is the scenario I was asking about, can a 737 be flown in a way which burns fuel faster so they can land sooner?
As with other regulations, there may have been changes to regulations so planes that were certified at different times had different rules in effect. And there will be differences between commercial/military craft as well. It may be that the reason that the 737 and Airbus 320 don't have fuel purge systems; they're relatively old airframes. My uncle flew B-52 bombers. 500,000 pounds max takeoff weight, 295,000 max landing weight (I don't know which model that was). The B-52 doesn't have fuel dump system, so when coming back from training missions that ended up shorter than expected, they flew with higher throttle than normal but with the speed brakes on to burn more fuel.
Yeah, makes an expensive health problem even more expensive! In the UK at least it costs about £100 for the pain relief and medications, £50 in sharps, gloves, equipment and medical waste, and £250 for the ambulance callout. That's the cheap bit... easily £10,000 in blood tests, hospital care, and PPCI treatment for a serious heart attack. Quadruple everything if you go into cardiac arrest! A cardiac arrest results in two medical waste bags filled with single use equipment, 15+ syringes of drugs, airway equipment... Double that in hospital, a resus cubical is a wreck after an arrest! I dread to think how much a diversion costs though, especially since a "heart attack" can be a really minor, requiring very little treatment.
Wow, 3 hours sounds pretty good going... that said, the fact she survived and the family will have been overwhelmingly grateful helps. The paperwork on a traumatic cardiac arrest as an ambulance crew can take 5+ hours... most of the time it just gets filed away as "victim's car hit road vehicle at speed resulting in non-survivable injuries", even if the death results in criminal charges, but if the coroner decides to review the medical aspects of the case... God help you if your paperwork isn't absolutely flawless!
For everyone complaining about cars and environment regs saying this isn't fair- it's a safety issue. They allow this so that planes don't suffer catastrophic failure on the landing gear or overrun a runway- potential killing dozens to hundred of people.
Nadir alger not true not even close There was a study done would have to look it up I can't remember where it was but the ground near the airport is highly toxic that's why they usually put them away from houses and buildings and things of that nature so far from the truth that it evaporates before hits the ground that's bullshit.
I am im Australia and was ditectly uhnder a dump n burn overhead for a festival one year. I nearly jumped through the ceiling. Wow its incredibly loud. They no longer allow them over our city which is sad. I find your vids fascinating. Love planes and flying. Thanks do much for all the great info.
You're not the only one to think of the same thing. It looks like they are trying to cut corners to me. Just design the plane to take the weight. Or have a passenger ejection tube.
So if a flight leaves from Los Angeles to London and a passenger has an emergency. The airline eats the cost? They also have to get another plane to take everyone else back to London and give them discounts or re emburse passengers? How do they make money?
They still make a LOT of money on that flight. $320 avwrage per seat at 250 seats is $80000 minus operating costs of $30000 per flight including dumped fuel, crew wages, airport amenities, etc... $50000 profit even after dumping landing and refueling and taking off again.
@Sky Watcher I'm familiar with geo engineering but the jet fuel hoax is based on the notion that it's impossible for airliners to carry vast amounts of liquid so I find it amusing when the same type of ppl claim airliners spray chemicals because those two beliefs cancel each other out.
@@PabloGonzalez-hv3td when in reality, it's just condensation from the continual cycling of air through the cabin to keep the pressure comfortable for passengers. As for jet fuel hoax, the only real scientific way would be to weigh it off the assembly line and weigh it before takeoff.
I discovered this channel a couple of months ago and I felt in love with it. I also realized that: 1) pilots are a superior race 2) I won't ever be a pilot 3) there are too many things that can go wrong so if before CJ channel I usually felt asleep as soon as buckled my belt from now on I will probably never catch a plane anymore.
A few years ago there was a commercial jet that had to dump fuel over the state of New Jersey because it was having some kind of problem and lots of people saw it dumping the fuel and flying low. They called 911 because they thought it was going to crash. I have a fire department scanner radio and I happened to catch their calls for all the fire departments in the area to "standby for possible commercial jet crash" It was pretty shocking. I immediately picked up the phone and called my parents who were out shopping and told my mom, "Guess what they just said on the scanner! You're not going to believe it!.." That was a radio call I never thought I'd ever hear, or ever want to hear ever again. Luckily, it landed safely. But the weird thing about it, was that it was never anywhere near where I live, but all the fire departments in my town were still preparing for it and sending out the radio call for some reason.
A commercial jet crash is a huge thing and usually brings in fire departments from all surrounding areas (even some that are 20+ miles away) especially depending on where it ends up crashing. They have to have all emergency services on ready and in a lot of situations, some stations might be taken out of standard service (not receiving typical emergency calls) so they are ready to go should it happen. You are talking about a vehicle that (as demonstrated in the video) weighs over 390 metric tons carrying in most cases 100+ souls crashing into (hopefully a large unoccupied field) but at worst case, a populated metro area with buildings, roads, etc that could be damaged and cause other damage and injury. I absolutely can see the reason for them sending out that radio call just to be on the ready.
I fully understood the explanation, but it still doesn't make it any less wasteful, expensive or environmentally unfriendly! Just because you do it, I don't have to like it!
Its perspective, a plane holds way more people thus theres more room, weight and logically more fuel. Would you let your passenger in your car die for a 70 liter tank of unwasted gas? Ofcourse this is way more but its still a human life.... Not acting would be a crime.
@@bebo5558 go make an airport that carriers 10 passengers per flight with exactly enough fuel and a way too heavy plane for structural entegrity making it waste more fuel, more resources per person and not financialy profitable in any sort of way.
Many airlines dump fuel, united airlines dump passengers
Santiago Arbelaez LMAO
Santiago Arbelaez old joke.
AviationMan98 Aviation "my opinion matters on the internet"
AviationMan98 Aviation are you stupid?
Santiago Arbelaez 😀
A pilot and a successful youtuber?? Damn he's living the life
Se7en facts
His earning a lot of money
@@hotdog1798 but he stuggled for it. He had to to about 32 flights a day, transporting batches of skydivers for the entire day and when it's done wash the plane himself at the end of the day.
Or you just don't know how to enjoy your life like it is.
@@anirudh2000 a Day???
Not sure why I keep watching these videos....I must have been a pilot in my past life.
Simply because it looks like you love aviation just like me..
I’m obsessed
Bcs u want to be a pilot. BE 1 OF US
me too ahaha
Maybe you want to be a pilot in this live :) I want to !
If you were my professor I wouldn't skip a single class..
@Aviator Law Same
Same
@Maheen OH
So since he isn’t...I’m guessing you’re skipping?
Coz he's having class time length around 10-15 mins.... 😂
I'm not a pilot and averagely interested in aviation, but your videos are so nice to watch and it's so stress-relieving just to look at the positive man talking about aviation stuff with a high level of professionalism and a constant smile on his face! I've recently subscribed to your channel and you're my favorite youtuber from now on. Keep up the great job!
United be like: Why don't just drop the passengers lol
Why the Ebonics? It's not good grammar.
One passenger only weighs 0.08 tons. Doesn't make any difference.
NicYoong Productions So lets just drop the whole plane
Probleme solved!
Johna Berdinaldt I’m hip
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Well that's gonna be one costly hospital bill...
Operation 2000$
Care and medicine 3000$
77 Tons of jet fuel 35.000$
77 tons of Jet-A is closer to $100k at current prices .....
Seriously!? In America hospital care would run you closer to probably 30k+ for any operation, depends where you are an ambulance can run you $10,000
Tom Lawrence what does my reply have anything to do with hospital bills?
@@bmwm750 didn't tag you
Dumping a fuel is not an issue for the airlines companies, simply because it's already paid by the passengers on board, its all about environmental issues
Pilots are wonderfully skilled people. Thank you Captain Joe.
OK that water bottle demonstration instantly cleared up my confusion. Well done.
Well done oh yeah yeah
You are geh
Why did it explode tho
I’m confused why the video length it 9:11
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You’re dumping 77,000kg of fuel ⛽️ in air?
More environmentally better to dump that passenger.
Squirrel Make sure you pick the drunk ones.
imagine if you're THAT passenger??? You wouldnt be happy for sure!
@@Sarah-l7f6o To that I say - it's time to stock parachutes on board ;) If I was in a cramped torture seat that is every airplane seat these days for many hours I'd probably volunteer to just jump out :D
THE ENVIRONMENT WONT BE DAMAGED AS THE KEROSENE WILL EVAPORATE AND CRYSTALISE BEFORE IT REACHES 9000 FEET IN THE AIR
@@thundurr So where do you think all that evaporated kerosene will go ?
Me as a pilot:
Control: "we need to dump fuel"
Me: *PEDAL TO THE METAL WITH EUROBEAT ON*
As you're being unloaded on a stretcher they whisper in your ear "do you have a credit card we can bill for the fuel we just dumped for your emergency?" Lol
Sounds like Ryanair
Some say he’s still waiting for takeoff clearance...
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Lol
I was just wondering why the rain smells weird🤨
Abele Wayne 😂😂
Hahha
Ikr?
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Rain smells because of all the ionization
How many times on average does a pilot do this per year?
It's very unusual and only done when they have to divert very early on a long flight and it's really urgent. There are a lot of pilots out there who never done a fuel dump in reality, although their aircraft is capable of doing it.
I only know that over germany the average is 22 fuel dumps per year. But they had over 3 Million take offs and landings last year. So that would mean it happend on about 0.00073% of the flights. But you have also to consider that not every airplane is equipt to dump fuel.
hey, thanks for the info :)
so how come we see thousands of these so-called "fuel dumps" DAILY?!?!
Well, i honestly think it would be a waste of time to explain to persons like you the reason why you can see contrails because no matter what i would write, you wouldn't believe it anyway if it doesn't fit with your believe.
Try me, don't just assume but just please don't tell me that it's condensation
The F-111 dump and burn clip was from Brisbane's Riverfire festival, which is held annually. Unfortunately, the F-111s are retired so, instead of the dump and burn signalling the start/end of the fireworks, we get F-18 Superhornets just buzzing around in the afternoon. The dump and burn was also used at the opening ceremony of Expo '88 in Brisbane.
1:01 that was a United plane dumping fuel
Glad they didnt dump any passenger
Ba dum tss
They already dumped all the passengers but were still overweight then they went to the fuel XD
Justin Lai Ba dump tss
What's with all these jokes about United Airlines? I don't get it
James Taylor West it's because about a month ago united airlines security beat up and kicked an Asian guy off the airplane even though he paid for his ticket because they overloaded it
JOE, buy RYANAIR and make it BETTER!
buy Airberlin and give ryanair the pilots to re-initiate the canceled flight-lines, and try everything to get first class flying cheaper with the rest of the money...
Make Ryanair better? How would you do this, it's probably the most profitable airline in the whole world.
Yeah, it's more the stuff that's been going on in the UK ATM with them cancelling LOADS of flights!
@neodergrosse - First Class mit rein bringen, weniger Verspätung etc... das Ryanair-Konzept auf Business und First übertragen.
Ja ja, wenn es nur so einfach wäre.
Short explanation: because the plane is too heavy.
But it's nice to know the explained version. Not just a short answer like yours.
Short question: why they add unnecessary fuel on the first place?
@Daniel . that is a good question. I guess it's better to have a little more extra than not enough. If e.g. something happens (medical emergency etc.) and the pilot has to emergency land somewhere else (at a different airport) they'll be able to do so with the extra fuel. It's for contingency purposes.
Because you do not want to put the bare minimum on the plane to just cover the trip. You must account for variables such as headwind or storms that cause the plane to burn more than usual amounts of fuel. Also there can be emergencies such as weather or a terrorist act closing down the destination, forcing the plane to detour to a terminal further away.
yeah and it's 9/11 today.
In case of emergency landing, the plane will be damaged if it lands while overweight.
There ya go
Saved me 9 minutes ty
STOP FAT FUCKS FROM FLYING!!!
God bless you.
I've done that before and I end up doing 200 Knots and kill the plane, the exercise that airlines should do when operating a bigger planes on short rout is to put what ever amount of fuel you need in order to keep the weight down. over fuel and dumping fuel is just a big waste of money and its bad for the environment, and hazard waste.
@@dexterthompson1809 shut up loser
*But isn't cheaper and more eco-friendly to just drop people and cargo?*
Especially with these fuel prices, we have today :/
But cargo is important
dude imperfect so is fuel
I hope this is sarcasm
@@aquatic0124 It's not sarcasm. Some call it a joke.
next video. why does united beat up their passenger
Anil Löeb Why should he leave if he paid like everybody else?
Anil Löeb It's not his fault that the airline overbooked,so why should he have to suffer the consequences?
''Oh you paid for this seat?Well,we're a bunch of idiots that overbooked this plane so please abandon any plans you had and please get off this plane and suffer the consequences of our mistake''
Seems unfair,doesn't it?
The flight wasn't even overbooked. Or rather, he wasn't removed because the flight was overbooked. Instead, what happened is that the airline decided to move some staff members to another location using that particular plane, and in order to do that, they kicked some passengers out because the plane was already full. Which makes it highly obnoxious.
Law experts pointed out that United actually broke their own legal contract by doing that in this situation. In other words, what they did was illegal (because the contract has legal weight to it; it's not simply a sort of optional guideline that they can break at will.)
Cryptonian I heard they serve chinese takeout
Anil Löeb the problem is that he’s a doctor and he has patients waiting for him!
I came here to escape my math homework only to get more math help me
Todomo Karma
Math is a bum
I came here to escape my CDL homework. I
Todomo i
I don’t get why everyone hates math! Math is great
I just started an Airport Operations job with an airline and some coworkers were trying to explain this but I was just totally lost. Thanks for going more in depth!
You've just watched a bunch of lies and here's why.. czcams.com/video/M4W6XkctgWs/video.html
Good job researching to further your knowledge on your new job.
5:29 He went FULL Engineering Explained with the whiteboard.
I hope he saw the video lol
@@andrewk8636 hope we can mention him in this comment section
u think that's engineering? lol
@@LuvableShe do you know who engineering explained is?
Moral of the story .. if you have a heart condition then only fly on planes that can dump fuel. 👍⛽
Yeah , stick to ground level travel where you can be rapidly transported to a medical center... And not force someone to waste dozens of tons of fuel and delay other people. Plus the risk emergency landings involve , pilots train for them but your mind is never really ready for one so the risk is always higher than on a normal landing.
Moral of the story if you have heart condition don't fly and ruin everyone's experience
@@TheTankCrew
Yes, if someone has a heart condition and possibly could die, your delay is of utmost importance...
*shaking head in disbelief*
Good luck finding a 777 going from Heathrow to Amsterdam.
Capt Joe said there is a special overweight landing procedure for planes not equipped to dump fuel. All planes should be able to land asap in an emergency.
Love how you explain things. Yet again perfectly presented. Thank you.
she likes him,,hehe
I do not mind the way he explains this, but deliberately dumping fuel onto the sea and land is unethical. They should prosecute people who do it, or the engineers who designed planes to carry more weight that is possible to fly with. List of carriers engaging in dumping jet fuel on people should be published.
ginggur17 weight. That's it.
Most of the time professional pilots understand their first priority is passenger and cargo safety.
I die inside when joe says “but that’s for another video”
Very well done Captain Joe. I have been working on aircraft for over 20 years. The average person really does not know how important the aircraft weight is at takeoff and landing. You do a fantastic job with these videos. Keep it up.
Ahh so that's how they drop the chemicals that control the weather!
Ah, chemtrails.
Allen Choi THEY’LL TURN THE FREAKING FROGS GAY
Control the weather? Didn't you get the newsletter? We're going with controlling people's minds now. HAARP is for controlling the weather.
@@PaulTheSkeptic yeah it's a scary thought
@@liamo5448 Yeah? It's a scary thought? It sounds like you're taking my joke seriously. Do you think people can control people's minds by dumping fuel from a plane?
Damm I knew United airlines dumped people but now fuel? Damm I’m hella shocked
Lmao 😂
Lol 😁, 242 baby
The Bahamas All big planes dump fuel.
UAL claimed at the time a regional affiliate company told them it was either putting a 4 person crew in the passenger section of the plane or cancelling a flight tomorrow because their "crew" would be out of their assigned scheduled position. UAL said they were not informed it would affect that doctor, however.
They should consider dumping rude passengers instead of fuel!
No but here’s a like
It's far easier to dump passengers.....
Nick Breen With or without chutes? Lol
Lol
Oh dear, well you don´t want that do you :)
It is pure logic my Cap Dude. Simply eject the ill passenger and continue the flight, if you have a moral issue with this then feel better by ejecting the doctor with them, for care on the way back to sea level.
United airlines already has that procedure.
Dont jump from high place before peeing.
You can break your leg..
Rizky indra Pratama oh u know bro u don’t jump plane before peeing u know bro u break your face ye ye bro smh
I have installed a fuel dump on my car now. If I have to leave the highway unexpectedly, I dump the shit.
The Powerfox lol
That was Savage
Might come in handy if you need to hit the exit ramp at 75mph. But I doubt it.
Try your best in holding off on unloading it until a cop is behind you (lol).
I’ve been on a plane once where the pilot’s dumped fuel (because we had fueled the previous day and the flight plan changed). Looked neat with the spray coming out of the wingtip.
Me in fsx
Terrain, terrain, pull up, pull up, stall, stall...
What do I do lol
Speed tf up over 9000 kts scrub
Slew mode obviously
Join an online server and yell you're Airforce 1
Squawk 7500, it will relieve your pain
Blog it.
That’s how my girlfriend dumped me.
Wally Baig of a Airplane and if so she stupid you would be so expensive instead she should have fed the three most local airports Cessna population
Joe, make a ' a day in the life of a pilot' vlog! :)
Coming up :)
@@flywithcaptainjoe I'm a newer subscriber to your channel. I've been fortunate enough to be flying on planes since I was 9 months old. I also got to experience flying on the older planes and 747 on Pan Am several times from JFK to LHW. My first 'solo' flight home when I was 14 this EXACT situation happened. We had started crossing Trans Atlantic, were halfway between Iceland and Ireland. Passenger had a massive heart attack. We turned back to Dublin to land, get the passenger to hospital. But, sadly, by that time a couple hours passed and he didn't make it. This was before AED's were on planes. This is how I decided to learn CPR and go towards the medical field. Because, you simply just never know. Love your videos, easy explanations for us 'lay' folk and your enthusiasm. I hope your dream is soon fulfilled to become a full fledged captain and maybe we'll cross paths someday on a trans Atlantic via Lufthansa, KLM, BA or the like. Grosse Wünsch aus Ohio!😊
Unbelievable how bad air travel is for the environment. Here in the US we are having the warmest winter ever recorded, with April weather in January.
Well my city is having o e of the coldest
True, but air travel is a relatively small part of that in the US. Small vehicles and heavy reliance on trucking contribute 80% of transportation sector emissions. By percentage of transportation sector emissions, aviation is a much larger issue in Europe (probably because they generally have higher intra-city transit adoption, somewhat less trucking overall, and so on). Of course reducing flying as possible is still a good goal, but cars are the biggest issue
Good video to watch when taking a dump yourself.
I'm doing that right now. :^)
Holy crap! Me too lol
Much needed thing to do after a big ass 🌯 🤣
True!! 🤣
Student pilot.. Note to self... When your passenger has heart attack...... ............. Dump the juice.!
Hehe :)
Captain Joe in a Boeing simulator???
I TRUSTED YOU!!!
Haha :) Your comment made my laugh! I´ll be back in the A320 Sim very soon ;)
He is gonna fly the 747-8 for Lufthansa? Maybe?
No, he mentioned why he was in the Boeing sim. It's because the A320 he flies doesn't have a jettison system. The 747 is the best available example.
I mean he could use the A300,310,330,340,350,380 for it.
Is3tfire Gaming yes of course but judging from previous videos, the 747 is the only available option.
Captain you gonna make university professors losting their job! I learned more in this 2 minute then in my last2 years of the class room..
Thanks captain!
But he’s a first officer 😯
I'm glad you gave us that bottle demonstration. I would never had worked it out.
Seeing is believing mate
Squashy Aussie I know right.!!!
No the plane is just peeing.
flying wig The plane has 2 pp
I would’ve liked but ur at 69 likes so your welcome
Im your 79 like
Thank you for another informative video, Captain Joe. I appreciated the water bottle demonstration as well as the white board math example. You are an outstanding educator. You are clear, you break concepts down into understandable parts, and you look like you are having fun. Well done.
So right!
Thank you Captain Joe, I've learned a lot in this nice video very well explained answering to questions we may have.
I ignored there was a max landing weight in the sense the plane can carry more fuel than tolerated to land with (if passengers+cargo is is loaded...), but for take off it's ok. Interesting difference well explained.
Btw dumping fuel with flames would be more badass. ;D
If I dump gas I get a hefty fine. I guess if you have enough money the EPA looks the other way.
Car users pay for all this pollution. Like congestion charges in towns, co2 charge and so on. Easy cash cow.
When you have the EPA so deep in your pocket that you basically are the EPA there is nobody to look the other way. Now who contols all of this? Thats a story for another time. Hint: its not the government lol.
I guess the next time you fly and there's an emergency, the EPA should just let you crash and burn up because people find fuel dumping to be a scam by the EPA.
@@jamesdalecopeland2719
Its called regulatory capture. Scott Pruitt, an Exxon employee, used to be a the head of EPA and then got replaced by Wheeler, another pawn of corporation.
@@eisernfront8549Put whatever name on it you'd like. You dont have to convince me. I'm well aware of how the lobbyists work. I was simplifying it for the sheep.
Am I right that the captain and "co-pilot" have to eat different food on board (in order not to get sick simultaneously)?
Николай Кольченко myth
They usually just eat each others asses instead, cuz there gay!
That seems a little extreme to me... I doubt it...
Heard that one before aswell
Think that rule is still in place. It cost little to have and it has been cases of bad food.
So basically to reduce the amount of fuel so that you won't have to do an overweight landing that can result in a number of repairs.
Bob No Or a crash in the first place
All the technical jargon about the max landing weight apart, there's another way to look at it. The heavier you are at the time of landing, that harder you'll hit the ground. The harder you hit the ground, the more serious nature of injuries that you're likely to suffer. That bottle filled with that yellow liquid was the best possible way to put things in perspective.
Pilot: *dumps fuel*
US army: Shoot em’ down
Wit a 50 round
Cristiano arrogantaldo is that demoman
LMAO
I did not know that the air was filled with fresh petrol.
White fuel
Don't smoke.
You'll set the atmosphere on fire.
Im to pretty to die.
Char broil isn't my ending.
Imagine if you just ignite your lighter and then in seconds later you burn the sky and surroundings of you.
Kerosene 🤪
$3.40/gal for gas and these people just dumping it over scotland
ThAts a cute price. In Australia we pay 1.40-1.60$ per litre (~6$ gallon)
Besides, jet fuel is about 3x the cost of common unleaded
They have to dump several tons per day or they would loose their scottish accent.
bobwatters What? Like in an onboard pizza oven?
@bobwatters I suppose planes could be fitted with a means of burning off the fuel without adding thrust, but then if something goes wrong with the system, your plane explodes. It's probably also more environmentally-friendly to dump it into the atmosphere than burn it off.
I would rather die of heart attack on Boeing 747 then have to pay later for 70 tons of fuel :D
Yeah the passenger will die of heart attack anyway, when he sees the bill.
Don't worry about it, the airline will have an insurance for dumping fuel...so keep on living as live is simply beautiful.
70 tons of Jet A1 is about $28,000. Probably a lot less than the hospital bill if you land in the US.
tomkandy Yeah, it helps a lot to have a proper health-insurance...despite what the US-GOP might say about it these days...
tomkandy unless you pay cash! I paid 2,700 for a surgery I unfortunately had to have, but if it was billed through insurance here in NV its 27,000! (Laparoscopic cholecystectomy) pay cash, the American way!
Thanks to you, when I fly I can have nice conversations with pilots when I do visit the cockpit with my parents
To make toads gay, of course.
Jo King the FROGS *TRIGGERED*
To make Religious Conservative Republicans *more* closet gay
Jo King r.
hermaphroditic frogs are probably gay but who knows. you should ask their gender first
Jo King 🌞🌞🌞
By the time I calculated it I'd have to start over because so much fuel was burned since I started lol. ;)
NO.....if I was comptroller of a company there would be no dumping of fuel for some old fuck who may or may not live to go to a hospital.
You wait until we get to where we're going.
Peter Lafayette good thing you’re not a controller lol
He said 77,000 lbs is 77,000 tons,......did anybody in math class learn what I had....that a ton is 2,000 lbs? Simple math and nobody else seemed to have caught that😉😂🤔
77,000 lbs=38.5 tons!
How about we keep the fuel, but we flush the Creamy mushroom farfalle bake! Should save us a few ton's and keep the air con smelling sweet at the same time.
Why is this video exactly 9:11 long?...
Its a SIGN
itorch Growtopia 9:10 dumbass
itorch Growtopia its 9:10 long idiot
Preston Craft says 9:11 for me
itorch Growtopia yeah...time stamp is 9:10 soooooo stfu moron
itorch Growtopia on pc, it's a second longer than mobile
Really interesting video, thanks Captain Joe. As an Afrikaans speaking South African, your pronunciation of the F-111 "Aardvark" put a real big smile on my face.
FYI, it is pronounced something like "aart furk". Yes, the 'd's are 't's and the 'v's are 'f's in Afrikaans.
Wow and here i"m worried about miles per gallon. Tons per minute? jeez
perks of paying attention in your math class back in the days.
89 Alpha thinking the same thing. They can have a gps in the fuel pod they are gonna drop using parachute. Track it and use it later
Because the aircraft is having a wee, silly.
I hate you so much for making me laugh as hard as I did.
and it will explode if it is at the maximum pee weight
But fuel is non renewable resource
It shouldn't be wasted
@@salimkhanjm1457 it was dumped because too heavy
*Next, can you explain why Pilots have to sit in the cockpit?*
Bob McCoy cause they dont get poisoned.
Cause all flights are overbooked. :-D
They don't have to sit in the cockpit. On a recent flight to Argentina both the captain and the copilot came back to economy class and sat in the two empty seats in my row. I asked them who was flying the plane and they said another passenger was having a go. Cool, says I, can I have a go too? They said yeah but I'd have to fight the other passenger to get to sit in the seat.
I fought him and won and had a bit of a fly about going up and down and backwards and forwards for 8 or 10 minutes. Then another passenger came in and started fighting me for the controls but I let her win because I was pretty broke up from the first fight and my heart wasn't in it. I went back to my seat and the two pilots were fast asleep and didn't wake up until one of them had to land the thing. It was the best flight ever and everyone clapped so much when we landed.
The pilots names? Albert and Einstein.
JP Ryding **boi**
PotionCraft at least try reading what he said before writing a stupid comment
One deployment we had a KC-135 stratotanker take off and while the boom operator was checking the boom he extended it while still stowed. The hydraulics cut out and it was stuck out so the crew couldn't dump fuel. They had to fly for over 13 hours to be light enough to land. They were very unhappy when I got them in debrief.
Will you fly a 737 under a bridge?
"will you eat green eggs and ham sam I am? in a house? on a plane? under a bri--" (german overlord starts striking me with his cane). "NEIN NEIN NEIN!!! YOU SAY IT RHYME!!! YOU SAY IT RHYME RIGHT NOW!!!"
Lol
Surf a bird Iron Beeatch
Just fly your mark 85
With fuel prices ricing, airliners are looking into dumping the plain and keeping the jet-fuel
plane they will dump the passengers
Torgeir Borsheim plane*
Torgeir Borsheim fèbmppm
And suddently, everyone in the comment section knows more about plane engineering than the pilot who studied planes and how to operate them for years! Conspiracy theories are fun, but believing in them to the point of stating "facts" that you heard here and there or ideas that you came up with that have no proof to back them up (unlike actual science) is ridiculous.
Who are you talking to, or talking about? It’s definitely not ‘everyone’.
James Carter I know it is not every single person commenting, but we can't say that the majority isn't pretending to state facts that have no tangible proof in favor of a conspiracy theory, thus trying to discredit a goddamm independant pilot who is sharing his experience with planes. Please disregard the tone of my reply, it is not for you. I am simply irritated by these people.
I appreciate your courtesy. I honestly think at least 80% of the people just saying 'chemtrails' or the like are solely regurgitating the joke du jour on the subject and don't believe it. In the main feed, out of the first 60 comments which are coming up at the moment, only two are genuinely pro-chemtrails, and four comments including yours are claiming that "everyone" or a majority here, is promoting a conspiracy, whereas even if you include the weird ones saying jets don't burn liquid fuel, about 75% of the comments are not promoting conspiracy of any kind. Generalized admonitions don't make anyone inclined to say "that's about me and I should take the unspoken advice of people who are calling me an idiot while not explaining the hard science they claim to know". Somehow the simple point of 'different atmospheric conditions can make jet streams predisposed to remaining in the atmosphere for long periods' gets lost among all the 'people are stupid' comments.
conspiracy theories are fun as hell, but they rarely are intended to be considered anything more than fiction
Of course I know more about plane engineering than everyone...I slept in a Holiday Inn Express
5:23
The weight therapist explaining how much weight your mom has to lose if she wants to fly on a 747
747 flies on yo mama.
Thank you Captain Joe, I didn't know that fuel, weight, and flight time (along with distance) is carefully calculated prior to a plane landing. I also wondered how the fuel dissipates, (correct altitude evaporates fuel before it hits the surface). I originally thought it fell on the surface and or water causing contamination. Wow! No wonder why being a pilot can sometimes be stressful. Great video for laymen like myself!
Hi thers Joe, would it be possible for pilots to dump the frozen waste from their planes on their fellow colleagues house's as a joke? Thanks!
dump it hot and fresh
Alfredio d' joliette Could be a fire hazard then so it wouldnt be seen as a joke
Kwazi Donsta No, but it is possible for toilet waste to leak. A man in California won a lawsuit against an airline when chunks of "blue ice" came crashing through the skylight of his yacht. This was the result of a leak. In addition, a 727 once had an engine separate after ingesting leaked toilet waste.
Man, this got gross quickly...
Liam Weaver In a war situation would airlines be forced to use their planes as high altitude bombers by dropping their waste on potential enemy targets?
Liam Weaver I don't think so... certainly toilet sweage storage is also in the pressurelized part of the plane otherwise you get an unpressurelized part connect to pressurelized part... which will create unfavoritable result...
But I do think older plane or airliner that do not have pressurelization can just dump them out directly
Talking about airplanes with a 9:11 time... sounds familiar
Steve W 9:10
Well, depending on where you look at it
9/11 was not tied to me, and I never even made a WMD.
3:51 that happened in a mission in a flight game called extreme landings pro and you should dump half the fuel and land back to the airport where you took off from the mission
i have a question, it might sound a bit stupid but here it goes:
How do they calculate the passengers weight? i understand they have the passenger´s cargo weight, but do they take in count the actual weight of the passengers? i assume they make some sort of aproximation, but sometimes this aprox could be very wrong, and it could cause an accident, which aparently has never happened or it happens not very often. So can anyone explain me how it actually works?
Sorry for my trashy english and thank you.
BasicallyPeter this is actually a really good question! I would like to know the answer too.
Air operators use standard passenger and bag weight tables that have into consideration sex (males are heavier than females), age (children are lighter than adults), region (in certain regions people tend to be heavier than in others) and season (in winter people wear heavier clothes). Tables are produced by the corresponding air authority or the operators themselves under approval.
BasicallyPeter . In the US we use an FAA approved/specified average weight - it may vary slightly between airlines but is approximately 180lbs per passenger, and is 10lbs higher in the winter because people wear heavier clothing. II sounds a little sketchy but actually works pretty well; obviously there can be variations in the passengers but the larger the plane, the more likely that for every heavy passenger there is a lighter passenger somewhere else in the plane. If we’re flying a group that we know to be non-standard, for example a football team or a school group, we make adjustments. We also use slightly different weights for the cockpit and cabin crew members (less, particularly for flight attendants).
And periodically the airlines and FAA will actually weigh groups of passengers and revise the standard weight as necessary.
Different airlines do things slightly differently but in our operations center, there is an entire group of analysts that worry only about the weight of each flight (others specialize in weather, routing, crew legality, maintenance issues, etc). Most of the time it’s not critical but as Joe mentioned there are limits for every airplane, both structural limits and also performance limits (runway length limits can also limit the weight of an airplane, as can weather), and though rare there are times where they are monitoring the boarding of each individual passenger in the operations center (when your ticket is scanned in the gate, it shows up instantly on the airplane map in the operations center). It’s more of an issue with smaller airplanes, particularly the regional jets, where each passenger represents a larger individual percentage of the airplane’s total weight and thus has a larger individual effect.
Finally, as a “by the way”, most smaller planes including both the.B737 and A320 families and all regional jets do not have fuel dumps. If they’re overweight they have to fly around and burn off the excess fuel, or if an emergency, land overweight and accept that the airplane will be grounded pending a maintenance inspection.
I'm a technical flight dispatcher here in Brazil, the national civil aviation agency determined this: adult passenger 80kg(176lbs), child 40kg(88lbs), and an infant 20 kg(44lbs). Those values already include their carry on luggages. In domestic flights every passenger is allowed to take with them as carry on luggage 10kg. And that's how we do the math, if we have a flight with 100 adults + 10 children + 5 infants and 5000lbs of dispatched luggage and no cargo the payload will be: 17600lb(adults) + 880lb(children) + 220lb(infnt) + 5000lb of luggages in the cargo compartment = 23700lbs of payload or traffic load.
Passports, Americans/Brits= 300lbs average, Euros=135 average, Asians 100lbs. It's pretty accurate.
time is 9:11 not surprised
You can use the internet to find a psychiatrist.
StratMatt777 😂😂😂
forkda crab32 actually 9:10
THAT AINT FUEL THATS POISONOUS CHEM TRAILS TOXIC TO MAKE HUMANS SICK AND DIE (ANOTHER WAY TO MURDER PEOPLE FOR NEW WORLD ORDER : AGENDA 21, 2030,2040,2050) DONT GET FOOLED PEOPLE OF PLANET EARTH WE ARE BEING ATTACKED FROM EVERY ANGLE AND THIS IS ANOTHER WAY TO MURDER US WITHOUT GETTING BLAMED..........SATANIC GLOBAL ELITES WHO RUNNING THE SHOW UNDER THE TABLE
THAT AINT FUEL THATS POISONOUS CHEM TRAILS TOXIC TO MAKE HUMANS SICK AND DIE (ANOTHER WAY TO MURDER PEOPLE FOR NEW WORLD ORDER : AGENDA 21, 2030,2040,2050) DONT GET FOOLED PEOPLE OF PLANET EARTH WE ARE BEING ATTACKED FROM EVERY ANGLE AND THIS IS ANOTHER WAY TO MURDER US WITHOUT GETTING BLAMED..........SATANIC GLOBAL ELITES WHO RUNNING THE SHOW UNDER THE TABLE
Me checking my maximum landing weight after a weekend of eating out😂😂
The only thing I think of with Skillshare and planes together is Wendover Productions
Noooooooooo the videos 9:11 long...
Ahh now it's 9:11 AM for me what the heck...
Diamond Butter wrong it's 9:10
Diamond Butter yeah i noticed that tooo and i say if it can take off then it should be able to land
It goes 9:11 when you see the video and don't click it. It goes 9:10 when your on the video
9:10 on mine
Why not improve the structural design of the frame of the plane instead of dumping fuels just to avoid damaging the frame when landing ?
may be because its way more complicated then commenting on a YT video.
Increasing the strength of the frame would either require a much stronger yet lighter material or increase the size and weight of the frame. This material might not exist, and if it does it’s going to be way more expensive which will translate to the ticket costs of the passenger.
If they just used ordinary steel and beefed up the frame, the operating weight of the plane would increase considerably. This increase in operating weight may require larger jet engines and would decrease fuel efficiency which would in turn increase the amount fuel consumed per flight.
Not sure if burned fuel or raw fuel in atmosphere is worse, pick your poison I guess.
These are multi billion dollar business that calculate precisely how to get the best profit margins. And they take hundreds of factors into consideration. In the end it all comes down to dollars, not the environment or our health.
Because this is all bs, they’re all poisoning us with chem trails
@@praffulsuthar4464 Nice one bro...
@bharat suthar i dont think if you are wasting 77lakhs worth fuel in a single go if we can engineer everything than why dont they use some kind of fuel management system for example if you dont want xyz amount of fuel use some kind of kevlar bag fill it with fuel and drop it through parachute simple....
I couldn't quite imagine dumping 77 tons of jet-A. Such a big waste.
77tons is a piece of cake, I´ve seen videos where the dump way above 100 tons :(
Idk how I got here I was watching vids about pouring concrete then I saw one of your vids and now I'm hooked and I'ma watch every vid 😂😂😂
So dumping fuel doesnt make people sick?
Dumping fuel vs the size of the earth
@@acomman77 that was my argument to the environmental crimes cop, it didn't work with him. I wonder what the airlines do that I didn't.
Like everything today we are getting poisoned each day from dozens of sources. Of course the common person is simple powerless and has no say so over the matter! Only getting worse each year.
much more sick you are getting by car exhaust. or plant emissions. especially if you're living not in europe or other high-developed country
Dumping fuel vs possibly injuring (or killing) everyone on board the plane
Make a choice
Now I learned what those little tubes on the wings are
Good, happy I could help :)
They are also the things that allow flaps to extend
For planes which don't have the ability to dump fuel, are they able to run their engines in a way that uses more fuel than usual so that they can land sooner?
I imagine all planes that need to dump fuel (ie those that are big enough to cause damage during an overweight landing) all have the ability to dump fuel. It would necessarily need to be part of the air worthiness certificate me thinks...
At 7:12 Joe says "smaller jet airliners like the Boeing 737 or the Airbus A320 which aren't fitted with the fuel jettison system have to burn the fuel by flying holding patterns until the aircraft is below the maximum landing weight or in urgent cases perform an overweight landing procedure". This is the scenario I was asking about, can a 737 be flown in a way which burns fuel faster so they can land sooner?
Well you can turn the trottle all the way up and fly turns or slip to keep the speed down
As with other regulations, there may have been changes to regulations so planes that were certified at different times had different rules in effect. And there will be differences between commercial/military craft as well. It may be that the reason that the 737 and Airbus 320 don't have fuel purge systems; they're relatively old airframes.
My uncle flew B-52 bombers. 500,000 pounds max takeoff weight, 295,000 max landing weight (I don't know which model that was). The B-52 doesn't have fuel dump system, so when coming back from training missions that ended up shorter than expected, they flew with higher throttle than normal but with the speed brakes on to burn more fuel.
Simon Gardiner when planes are flying at that low of altitude they burn fuel extremely quick because the air is thicker
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I feel like you're the best pilot in the world
Sully... ;)
all pilots should know everything about being a pilot :P
But he is good explaining these stuff.
Any pilot can explain the same ... Just because this guy have a CZcams channel and sits to explain it doesn't mean he is the best bla bla bla...
so its a very expensive heart attack if you have one on a plane
Yeah, makes an expensive health problem even more expensive! In the UK at least it costs about £100 for the pain relief and medications, £50 in sharps, gloves, equipment and medical waste, and £250 for the ambulance callout. That's the cheap bit... easily £10,000 in blood tests, hospital care, and PPCI treatment for a serious heart attack. Quadruple everything if you go into cardiac arrest! A cardiac arrest results in two medical waste bags filled with single use equipment, 15+ syringes of drugs, airway equipment... Double that in hospital, a resus cubical is a wreck after an arrest!
I dread to think how much a diversion costs though, especially since a "heart attack" can be a really minor, requiring very little treatment.
Yup. Probably cheaper to dump the patient than the fuel...
Wow, 3 hours sounds pretty good going... that said, the fact she survived and the family will have been overwhelmingly grateful helps. The paperwork on a traumatic cardiac arrest as an ambulance crew can take 5+ hours... most of the time it just gets filed away as "victim's car hit road vehicle at speed resulting in non-survivable injuries", even if the death results in criminal charges, but if the coroner decides to review the medical aspects of the case... God help you if your paperwork isn't absolutely flawless!
Daney It might cost you your life...
It would be an even more expensive lawsuit.
For everyone complaining about cars and environment regs saying this isn't fair- it's a safety issue. They allow this so that planes don't suffer catastrophic failure on the landing gear or overrun a runway- potential killing dozens to hundred of people.
There are many other ways they can do this dropping fuel is bull shit and yes your saving ppl in the air but killing a few 1000 on the ground smh
Nova fall It evaporates before it gets to the ground
Nova fall fake news
Nadir alger not true not even close There was a study done would have to look it up I can't remember where it was but the ground near the airport is highly toxic that's why they usually put them away from houses and buildings and things of that nature so far from the truth that it evaporates before hits the ground that's bullshit.
By the time it gets to the ground its like... what... 1 part per billion. Probably even a lot less than that. Not much pollution overall. Who knows.
I am im Australia and was ditectly uhnder a dump n burn overhead for a festival one year. I nearly jumped through the ceiling. Wow its incredibly loud. They no longer allow them over our city which is sad. I find your vids fascinating. Love planes and flying. Thanks do much for all the great info.
Maximum Landing Weight is something I would never of thought of as being a thing. I just thought you can land with whatever you took off with.
You're not the only one to think of the same thing. It looks like they are trying to cut corners to me. Just design the plane to take the weight. Or have a passenger ejection tube.
There's an impact with landing, which can cause damage if you are too heavy.
When he tried explaining this with a 747 Boeing, I couldn't help but think of Saxon's 747 (Strangers In The Night) XD
So if a flight leaves from Los Angeles to London and a passenger has an emergency. The airline eats the cost? They also have to get another plane to take everyone else back to London and give them discounts or re emburse passengers? How do they make money?
Still cheaper than the family suing the airline, the passengers suing because they had to see it and are scarred for life, etc etc etc
Its called insurance.
On that flight, they probably lose money.
By charging for every bag, seat selection and extra millimeter of space.
They still make a LOT of money on that flight. $320 avwrage per seat at 250 seats is $80000 minus operating costs of $30000 per flight including dumped fuel, crew wages, airport amenities, etc... $50000 profit even after dumping landing and refueling and taking off again.
Airlines dump fuel to reduce the chance of a heavy landing
That’s what my dad says. He’s a Qantas pilot
Nah they drop passengers for that
drop the luggage instead
-Drop the wings-
this doesnt explain chem trails..dumping fuel does not look like chem trailing at all..
Ironic because it technically IS a chem trail and what ppl call chem trails are condensation
@Sky Watcher I'm familiar with geo engineering but the jet fuel hoax is based on the notion that it's impossible for airliners to carry vast amounts of liquid so I find it amusing when the same type of ppl claim airliners spray chemicals because those two beliefs cancel each other out.
@@PabloGonzalez-hv3td when in reality, it's just condensation from the continual cycling of air through the cabin to keep the pressure comfortable for passengers. As for jet fuel hoax, the only real scientific way would be to weigh it off the assembly line and weigh it before takeoff.
He already made a chemtrails video just watch that
Thank you Captain Joe. Just what I wanted to know. Fantastic.
Great to hear, my pleasure :)
United : Why don't you just drop passengers instead ?
I agree with them, but only if they are Commies.
I discovered this channel a couple of months ago and I felt in love with it. I also realized that: 1) pilots are a superior race 2) I won't ever be a pilot 3) there are too many things that can go wrong so if before CJ channel I usually felt asleep as soon as buckled my belt from now on I will probably never catch a plane anymore.
It is statistically safer to fly than drive
@@jadenstark5171 I know. But I felt safer before knowing 😁
A few years ago there was a commercial jet that had to dump fuel over the state of New Jersey because it was having some kind of problem and lots of people saw it dumping the fuel and flying low. They called 911 because they thought it was going to crash. I have a fire department scanner radio and I happened to catch their calls for all the fire departments in the area to "standby for possible commercial jet crash" It was pretty shocking. I immediately picked up the phone and called my parents who were out shopping and told my mom, "Guess what they just said on the scanner! You're not going to believe it!.." That was a radio call I never thought I'd ever hear, or ever want to hear ever again. Luckily, it landed safely. But the weird thing about it, was that it was never anywhere near where I live, but all the fire departments in my town were still preparing for it and sending out the radio call for some reason.
Firemen in my country get ready for fires 100 km away. It's just in case a fire is to big to be contained by nearest fire stations.
A commercial jet crash is a huge thing and usually brings in fire departments from all surrounding areas (even some that are 20+ miles away) especially depending on where it ends up crashing. They have to have all emergency services on ready and in a lot of situations, some stations might be taken out of standard service (not receiving typical emergency calls) so they are ready to go should it happen. You are talking about a vehicle that (as demonstrated in the video) weighs over 390 metric tons carrying in most cases 100+ souls crashing into (hopefully a large unoccupied field) but at worst case, a populated metro area with buildings, roads, etc that could be damaged and cause other damage and injury. I absolutely can see the reason for them sending out that radio call just to be on the ready.
Than how are emergency landings done as soon as taking off.?
That's why you see the fireball when it crashes.
Have you heard about all the missing luggage and pets......? There ya go! 😜
your my favourite first officer, hope u get promoted to captian
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I fully understood the explanation, but it still doesn't make it any less wasteful, expensive or environmentally unfriendly! Just because you do it, I don't have to like it!
I agree
Its perspective, a plane holds way more people thus theres more room, weight and logically more fuel. Would you let your passenger in your car die for a 70 liter tank of unwasted gas? Ofcourse this is way more but its still a human life.... Not acting would be a crime.
@@djelloe7614 It's not perspective, it's logic, carry less passengers, less luggage, less fuel and design a plane that can land with full tanks!
@@bebo5558 sure mr engineer go build it!
@@bebo5558 go make an airport that carriers 10 passengers per flight with exactly enough fuel and a way too heavy plane for structural entegrity making it waste more fuel, more resources per person and not financialy profitable in any sort of way.