RV CONSTRUCTION COMPARISON Stick & Tin vs Laminated Builds

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    Stick And Tin Campers / Laminated Campers -- WHICH ONE IS BETTER?
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  • @udmbfckx2916
    @udmbfckx2916 Před 10 měsíci +10

    Finally a salesman educating the general public. If this dude is the owner (or one of) of the dealership then it’s worth a visit. I know there are other newer tech like the totally synthetic bonded honeycomb floors that will never get water damaged, etc but this is a primer.

    • @JoshtheRVNerd
      @JoshtheRVNerd  Před 10 měsíci +3

      I try! We have a bunch of videos like this

  • @jos9569
    @jos9569 Před 3 lety +73

    Your channel is actually worth the time investment. Thanks for what you do.

  • @brentmiranda9597
    @brentmiranda9597 Před 3 lety +23

    The amount of value you provide to your viewers is off the charts. If we were closer and in the market I would without a doubt shop your store and none other. I WISH there were other RV stores with your knowledge, expertise and humility. Please keep up the great work.

    • @JoshtheRVNerd
      @JoshtheRVNerd  Před 3 lety

      Wow. Thank you Brent. This is always very welcome on a Monday :)

  • @theresad6990
    @theresad6990 Před rokem +17

    I know this is an older video, but this was such great info. Thank you for all the time you spend on these videos Josh. They really are a huge help!

    • @JoshtheRVNerd
      @JoshtheRVNerd  Před rokem

      My pleasure! Please consider sharing this one in a camping group where you think it might be beneficial

  • @garymccarver5006
    @garymccarver5006 Před rokem +29

    I've had both over the last 25 years. I'll never consider fiberglass again. Too many issues associated with them. Delamination, spider web cracking at stress points, losing the bond with the aluminum studs creating a wavy surface and yellowing over time, regardless of how much wax or UV Inhibitors you use. My campers are stored inside my shop, so they only see daylight when they're in use, and I've still experienced these problems with fiberglass. Once these problems begin, their value tanks and you you can't give one away because the fix is cost prohibitive unless you want to tackle it yourself, have the knowhow, tools and indoor space to do it. These issues are not as bad with shorter units because they don't flex as bad. But all RVs will still flex to some degree. But like he said, it all comes down to maintenance and inspecting seals. If you don't keep it sealed, it's not going to matter either way on either unit.

    • @jerrytalley802
      @jerrytalley802 Před rokem +1

      I had a gut feeling and you and my sales guy agree, they can still delaminate. You mentioned cracks as well. One thing about aluminum, it lasts forever

    • @joyce7892
      @joyce7892 Před rokem

      That doesn't sound good.

    • @jerrytalley802
      @jerrytalley802 Před rokem +1

      @Gary, thanks for the honest feedback. I started with a gut feeling to stick with stick and tin. Then liked the looks and features of some fiberglass, weight, etc. Thankfully I have taken my time, watched a million reviews from Josh, and stumbled across your post that confirmed my suspicions. I have a 1967 Trailblazer, stick and tin. If someone didn’t put a house widow Ac in the back which rotted it, the whole trailer would still be nice. The rest of this trailer is still in great shape. I’m inclined to believe if you kept the stick and tin under a covered area, at a minimum all the aluminum would still be in tact, if kept under cover, no significant leaks, JMHO

    • @northlander4370
      @northlander4370 Před rokem +2

      they use Azdel now ...not fiberglass ! , Azdel is far superior to fiberglass

    • @JoshtheRVNerd
      @JoshtheRVNerd  Před rokem +6

      @@northlander4370 I fear you have been terribly misinformed. That’s not how azdel is used
      Azdel is not a fiberglass replacement. It’s a lauan wood panel replacement below the fiberglass
      Sidewalls with azdel still have a fiberglass exterior. The azdel is swapped out for the wood paneling below the fiberglass or potentially on the inside wall of the rv
      “Azdel sided” rvs are a common misconception. They don’t have azdel siding

  • @whosnext2005
    @whosnext2005 Před rokem +3

    I just wanted to let you know I really do think you do the best camper videos on CZcams.

    • @JoshtheRVNerd
      @JoshtheRVNerd  Před rokem

      Wow.. TY man. I appreciate the vote of confidence!

  • @russell1265
    @russell1265 Před rokem +4

    Your knowledge makes it so hard for me to pick out a small full time camper Thera so many out there

    • @JoshtheRVNerd
      @JoshtheRVNerd  Před rokem

      There’s likely more than one that would work well for you so it can be tricky to boil down some of the finer points

  • @jimcollins8097
    @jimcollins8097 Před 3 lety +6

    When we ordered our Cherokee 264RL we had a choice and picked stick and tin due to delaminating concerns and ease of repair. Stored under cover, waxed 1 or 2 times a year, 12k miles in 8 years and looks almost new. An inexpensive trailer that has given us outstanding service.

    • @JoshtheRVNerd
      @JoshtheRVNerd  Před 3 lety

      The black label edition doesn't change to aluminum framing and laminated walls by the way. It's still a stick built trailer. You're changing ONLY the skin.

    • @jimcollins8097
      @jimcollins8097 Před 3 lety

      Okey dokey.

    • @jimcollins8097
      @jimcollins8097 Před 3 lety +1

      Now you've got my curiosity up. Ours is officially a 2014 model but delivered to us 4/13. Any idea what we actually got back then?

  • @machfive916
    @machfive916 Před 3 lety +22

    Thanks for revisiting this topic on RV construction. This updated version is more in depth and even better and more informative.

    • @JoshtheRVNerd
      @JoshtheRVNerd  Před 3 lety +5

      Thx for revisiting. I was looking back at some old topics and thought "Man.. those are HUGE topics to cover" and realized how much my presenstations and our channel had progressed since. It's kinda crazy seeing how much we've evolved since the original cut here: czcams.com/video/Gt-Sx7ro3VA/video.html

  • @mattpurcell3369
    @mattpurcell3369 Před 3 lety +13

    Your vids are so helpful...thank you. We were previously burned with a 'lemon' (Fleetwood Pioneer) that was a leak machine, so now we are 'buy-shy' for getting another. We seem to be priced out of the market for a Rockwood/Flagstaff, so I'll keep watching you stuff to gather information Thank You!!!

  • @billcoulter1984
    @billcoulter1984 Před rokem +4

    You’re the best Josh. This is an older video but provides great info for me now that I’m researching a new Rv.

  • @cindylcarrasco8889
    @cindylcarrasco8889 Před 3 lety +3

    Your right! Smooth side repair is not cheap and Delamination is NO cheap thing. I love a smooth side BUT bad divorce, lack of funds, so didn’t check my roof as it sat in storage...and a small leak developed and wasn’t discovered right away on a 2006 Outback and now I need a new roof, side wall repair, possible front wall and maybe even some flooring damage. Was just quoted 10-15,000.00 and I still owe on it!
    Moral to the story, regularly check for leaks and keep up on maintenance if at all possible, or keep it stored indoors. These videos are very informative and helpful. I’m a case of hindsight is 20/20 I say this as a warning to newer campers consider ongoing maintenance, when you buy new or used, it’s a big part of having an RV. And maybe don’t try to keep your RV in a divorce 😕

    • @JoshtheRVNerd
      @JoshtheRVNerd  Před 3 lety +1

      Ugh.. sorry a lot of that took place
      But ty for sharing your experience with everyone

    • @cindylcarrasco8889
      @cindylcarrasco8889 Před 3 lety

      @@JoshtheRVNerd your welcome and thank you 😊

  • @Darkside_co
    @Darkside_co Před 3 lety +4

    the RV whisperer... Very helpful videos. Just bought a Jayco slx 264bh.... Your videos are always my go to.

  • @ewdavis77
    @ewdavis77 Před 3 lety +12

    Great video. After owning two stick-n-tin, I do think the fiberglass exterior is way easier to clean. Time will tell if we like it more...30+ year old stick-n-tin still look good when cared for!

    • @JoshtheRVNerd
      @JoshtheRVNerd  Před 3 lety +1

      It's DEFINITELY easier to clean
      * Less Surface area to begin with
      * Less Nooks and Crannies for crud to hide

  • @tincansailor9437
    @tincansailor9437 Před 3 lety +7

    Very helpful! I was originally all about fiberglass until I started noticing delaminations on units I see on the road. That scares the heck out of me despite its many advantages.

    • @JoshtheRVNerd
      @JoshtheRVNerd  Před 3 lety +2

      Personal care maintenance and upkeep is truly the most important thing on any RV. And regardless of how the walls are built or what skin they have it’s always those seals said are the lowest common denominator. And every RV with any type of construction shares them

  • @JeffinTD
    @JeffinTD Před rokem +3

    Super excellent video. Back in the early 90’s Kit Mfg had units with fiberglass over wood frame. RE Azdel, years ago you’d have heard people saying vacuum bonded and brand X adhesive solved delamination. It didn’t. Azdel I believe is an improvement, however, but I agree it didn’t end eventual deterioration of Rv’s.
    Foam core laminate is also more difficult to modify/retrofit. Hard points to add a ladder or grab rails/mobility assist in a bathroom, for example- generally a simple task on a stick/tin.
    Of the newer units that get dismantled for recycling and sent to land fill, often the main reason they couldn’t be fixed is delamination. Some don’t seem to show water intrusion, and I suspect years of sun on 110 degree days, winters below zero, high humidity, and flexing down the road takes its toll.
    That said, I do prefer smooth sides.

  • @craigmonteforte1478
    @craigmonteforte1478 Před 2 lety +2

    Great advice and Video i’ve owned many boats and Campers and as a general advice when freinds and family ask me for my Advice on either Purchase i tell them to purchase what they can afford and use the heck out of it to enjoy their large purchase as much as possible because often at some point in their ownership it may be some cost that is prohibitive of repairing the unit for use again things like a roof leak or needing a replacement of one if it’s insured will often have the Insurance Companies just totaling the Unit out and buying the Policy owner out of the Policy One Exception to the rule is Airstream built units that miraculously do hold their Value fairly well

  • @cherylyoung440
    @cherylyoung440 Před 3 lety +4

    Thanks, I need the smooth one this time because I’ll be pulling it further and more often then I did when I had kids and a metal and wood camper. Your very helpful.

  • @ofontela
    @ofontela Před rokem +2

    I'd say there is a spiritual aspect to this video. Good job, my friend.

  • @lavernedofelmier6496
    @lavernedofelmier6496 Před 2 lety +4

    Thanks for the videos with RV wisdom. We live in the desert southwest with extreme temps reaching 123 at times. Have seen many laminated RV with what they call delam, large areas with bubbles and aren’t pleasant to look at. We have had 2 stick and tin with no issues and now have a motor home which is all aluminum roof and side walls with the end caps fiberglass.

  • @jasonspellich2440
    @jasonspellich2440 Před rokem +2

    That's why I'm leaning towards the wolf pups, stick and tin with the look of laminate.

  • @spreadthemessage51
    @spreadthemessage51 Před 2 lety +2

    Thank you for the information. All I want to do is stay on top of everything. Appreciate providing the maintenence info for all of us.

  • @ianberry5879
    @ianberry5879 Před 4 měsíci

    Every camper dealer needs a Josh. Just found your videos as I'm searching for the best choice in trailers, moving up from full timing in an older motorhome, and quite impressed by the content. Subbed.

    • @JoshtheRVNerd
      @JoshtheRVNerd  Před 4 měsíci

      TY so much for joining! I have over 7,000 videos on this channel for you. Most are various walk-thru tours showing the ups and downs of each model but I also have hundreds of purely informative vids like this designed to help you "learn how to fish"

  • @MrBklein31
    @MrBklein31 Před 3 lety +2

    Really great information! You have such a talent for making the information easy to understand. Thank you Uncle Josh!

    • @JoshtheRVNerd
      @JoshtheRVNerd  Před 3 lety

      I'm just a simple midwestern boy who speaks in simple terms :)

  • @HeathInHeath
    @HeathInHeath Před 2 lety +2

    This is really a great primer on construction methods and benefits of the common types. Very helpful. Thanks.

    • @JoshtheRVNerd
      @JoshtheRVNerd  Před 2 lety

      You are welcome! Feel free to share among any sort of social media camping groups you may enjoy! :)

  • @dadpool3519
    @dadpool3519 Před 3 lety +1

    Just re-viewed this video again! Great info, Josh! Thanks.
    - Dan

  • @clintceholski2515
    @clintceholski2515 Před 3 lety +13

    Josh I appreciate your take on RVs and really appreciate the knowledge you share!

  • @DaveSabol
    @DaveSabol Před 2 lety +10

    Thanks for referring this video to me. It's one of the best, if not THE best - and well articulated - responses to the traditional vs. laminated RV question that I've seen and you're doing the entire industry a favor sharing it. Thanks for sharing awesome content, being great at it, and by all appearances really enjoying what you do.

  • @christianlazar7025
    @christianlazar7025 Před 2 lety +1

    Everything you put out is fantastic. You've got a great camera personality as well. Look forward to all the future content

  • @rvail136
    @rvail136 Před 2 lety +6

    Josh, you're a salesman. What I appreciate you for is that you seem to be reasonably honest. I'll drive 1k miles to buy from you guys (even though ya'll sold out to Bish's) because I would rather buy from someone who will point out flaws as well as what makes a unit worth buying.

    • @tammy707
      @tammy707 Před 2 lety +2

      100% and ask for the famous RV Nerd

  • @michaelscott8430
    @michaelscott8430 Před 3 lety +4

    Excellent video and person explaining tin vs fiberglass . Very good communicator ! I had no idea about the hybrid construction . Would like to see a Starcraft 145 with laminate . We are leaning that way even more.

  • @richardkoch8752
    @richardkoch8752 Před 3 lety +4

    One of your very best Vids ever Josh....Three Thumbs Up LoL!!! For every push there is a pull, for every give there is a take. You explained the benefits and the downs so very well. Thank you Josh for the honesty. Honesty and Haylett's go together like turkey and stuffing! Happy Thanksgiving!

    • @JoshtheRVNerd
      @JoshtheRVNerd  Před 3 lety +1

      Glad it's three so you click the button, turn it back off, then turn it back on again LOL :)

    • @richardkoch8752
      @richardkoch8752 Před 3 lety

      @@JoshtheRVNerd anything for a cheap thrill....at my age Josh LoL

  • @tyflesh
    @tyflesh Před 2 lety +2

    Appreciate the knowledge on this subject! I'm looking for a durable rv and this video helps a ton thanks again

  • @MrSpankysPub
    @MrSpankysPub Před 2 lety +2

    We're good with having ordered a Rockwood Mini-Lite 2516S where we did, but had we known about you guys before ordering, we would have stopped in to see you. Great Vids!

    • @JoshtheRVNerd
      @JoshtheRVNerd  Před 2 lety

      Regardless -- hope it treats you well and glad to have you hear among our channel :)

  • @pogveteranar9415
    @pogveteranar9415 Před 3 lety +3

    Great video thank you so much for all the no cost RV training.

    • @JoshtheRVNerd
      @JoshtheRVNerd  Před 3 lety +1

      Tell my boss it’s no cost next time he pays me lol
      Actually don’t do that hahaha

  • @simonwright9916
    @simonwright9916 Před rokem +1

    That’s changed my search criteria considerably - thanks for the info!

  • @suziemyers9855
    @suziemyers9855 Před rokem +1

    I appreciate all the education I've gained by watching your videos. I'm off to look at my first TT (aka teeny-tiny) and am loaded with questions for them.

  • @TheATeamriders
    @TheATeamriders Před 2 lety +2

    We love your videos! If you get those upkeep guides up we would love to see what you have!

    • @JoshtheRVNerd
      @JoshtheRVNerd  Před 2 lety

      Yeah apologies there. When we joined the ranks of Bish‘s RV our website changed and I no longer control our website. We have a lot of things in the works right now so it’s likely not something I’m going to be able to get the team to fulfill for me In the near future anyway

  • @imillionaires
    @imillionaires Před 3 lety +3

    Great detailed description. Thanks Josh!

    • @JoshtheRVNerd
      @JoshtheRVNerd  Před 3 lety

      TY! I'll keep brushing off some old footage and seeing what we can drum up

  • @lilmouseygirl79
    @lilmouseygirl79 Před 3 lety +5

    Yay!! I am so glad YOU made this video because I've got questions and your going to probably answer some of them :)

    • @JoshtheRVNerd
      @JoshtheRVNerd  Před 3 lety

      Let me know how we did after watching :)

    • @lilmouseygirl79
      @lilmouseygirl79 Před 3 lety

      @@JoshtheRVNerd hey Josh!! I sent an email to yall last night via the website. You answered 2 of biggest concerns at the beginning! How easy/affordable to repair and tow ability. It's a very well done video !!! ( It took a couple days before me and my husband had time to sit down together and watch it due to work and Thanksgiving aftermath haha)

  • @williamquestmagic
    @williamquestmagic Před 3 lety +2

    Excellent informative video Josh and I learned a lot from it about the construction differences in RV types. Thank you very much. A must watch for really anyone looking to buy a RV these days. bill in Florida

  • @mejoe943
    @mejoe943 Před 3 lety +5

    Exactly the info I've been seeking!

    • @JoshtheRVNerd
      @JoshtheRVNerd  Před 3 lety

      Glad we were able to provide then! If you haven't, then be sure to sub up to catch more videos like this in the future!

  • @xracer2239
    @xracer2239 Před 3 lety +2

    Josh I definitely appreciate, and like your Videos. Keep up the Great work. Many questions I had were answered in this video alone.

  • @vap0rtranz
    @vap0rtranz Před 2 lety +2

    Great vid! Checking your maintenance checklists now.

  • @jrambo7495
    @jrambo7495 Před 3 lety +2

    Thanks for everything, Joshie!! You're great!!!

    • @JoshtheRVNerd
      @JoshtheRVNerd  Před 3 lety +1

      There's only three people that have ever called me Joshie. I questioned the mental stability of all of them. You make number four and based on our banter back and forth I don't think that statement is in danger of becoming invalid any time soon

  • @kevinfoley7704
    @kevinfoley7704 Před 2 lety +2

    That was a very helpful video. I really liked the explanation of the hybrids.

  • @CopCat34
    @CopCat34 Před 3 lety +1

    Thank you for spending the time to explain the difference. They aren't built better ... just built differently which about sums it up.

  • @tlm7767
    @tlm7767 Před 3 lety +7

    Love your videos. Very informative. Thank you. Wish you guys were here in Ontario, Canada.

    • @JoshtheRVNerd
      @JoshtheRVNerd  Před 3 lety

      Love your viewership. Very appreciated. Wish you guys were here in Southern Michigan LOL :)

  • @muzerhythm2242
    @muzerhythm2242 Před 3 lety +1

    Thank You for the breakdown on the two builds! And I saved the link for upkeep guide.😁 I'm the type of person when I buy any electronics or expensive item FIRST thing I want to learn is maintaince. My stuff lives WAY past any warranty. 😁

  • @jerrytalley802
    @jerrytalley802 Před rokem +1

    I appreciate your honest feedback, which affirmed my suspicions. Thankfully I have an honest sales guy here that admitted even on brand new fiberglass campers of all of them can and on occasion de laminate. You also mentioned cracks, etc. I’m glad my gut told me to still avoid them. The stick and tin has worked for 75 plus years, proven by the fact they’re still around and can and are being restored in large numbers. I can promise that far in the future, the fiberglass ones will be in the landfill.

    • @JoshtheRVNerd
      @JoshtheRVNerd  Před rokem

      I'm no afraid of laminated models but I'm a simple guy with simple needs and a stick and tin camper suits me just fine

  • @christophermcmichael880
    @christophermcmichael880 Před rokem +2

    Another way to look at it is. If it's your first camper and have no experience with towing Rv's or towing a trailer in general. Get a stick and tin unit for your first RV. Until you get the experience of getting used to trailer swing out around corners and maneuvering them around in tight spaces. A lot of new inexperienced RVer's may tend to be more accident prone and a stick and tin unit would be more cheaper and easier to fix if something happens, backing into a tree at a camp site, miss judging a corner and the rear of the trailer swings out and smacks something causing damage to the RV's rear blind corner.

  • @jacobbeebe8259
    @jacobbeebe8259 Před 3 lety +13

    I love your channel. So informative and I learn so much by watching it. The part I really like is the straight forward approach about the good and bad on the units that you review. Thanks so much for what you do. It makes a difference!

  • @ratherbecamping809
    @ratherbecamping809 Před rokem

    I was really thinking about how much easier the cleaning would be on a smooth sided camper. But Man I never thought about the surface area of tin! Thanks Josh for all the great info!

  • @loriw2661
    @loriw2661 Před 3 lety +6

    Just love this channel!!

  • @daniellang6112
    @daniellang6112 Před 3 dny +1

    Speaking of checking boxes, Resale value! Also,you seem more credible when you are toned down! LOL!😂

  • @derekboonstra
    @derekboonstra Před 3 lety +1

    Best explanation I've heard. Thanks very much.

    • @JoshtheRVNerd
      @JoshtheRVNerd  Před 3 lety

      Ty! We have plenty more videos you may enjoy as wel!

  • @andrecornellier7716
    @andrecornellier7716 Před 3 lety +2

    Good information as always!

  • @chomp54321
    @chomp54321 Před 3 lety

    It could be construed that since you are selling RVs with both types of construction, you are being "diplomatic" and don't want to piss off buyers of either kind of RVs. However, I do appreciate how you lay everything out, being honest with the pros and cons. You are absolutely right that everyone has their own priorities, and they should be able to choose armed with the knowledge you are sharing here. The advantages and disadvantages of wood vs metal roof trusses is something that I've never thought about.
    Love your videos. Please keep up the good work. Wishing you a belated Happy Thanksgiving.

    • @JoshtheRVNerd
      @JoshtheRVNerd  Před 3 lety

      There's always someone that says something to that extent, but when I say things like "This one is Heavier and that one is more expensive" those are clearly *NOT* positive factors and just straight facts.
      Through the video I certainly share the benefits of each method of construction, but not JUST the benefits.
      Thx for watching and having an open midn.

  • @shawnhouse7557
    @shawnhouse7557 Před 3 lety +2

    Awesome info!! Thank you!

  • @landerson1012
    @landerson1012 Před 3 lety +2

    Our first camper was a Mallard 27X....waxed it once....that was enough in the 5 years we had it. Weight doesn't seem to affect gas mileage much. We pulled the 7200 lb. Mallard at around 8 mpg. current camper is 10,000 lbs being pulled by a 3/4 ton and the mileage usually runs between 10 and 11 mpg....with a 6.4 hemi engine.

    • @JoshtheRVNerd
      @JoshtheRVNerd  Před 3 lety

      Those classic *true* Mallards were... heck.. ARE STILL such tanks!

  • @edcarbone1663
    @edcarbone1663 Před 3 lety +2

    Fantastic review

  • @vikkibair1546
    @vikkibair1546 Před 2 lety +1

    Once again Great inf. Thanks bunches. Learn alot from you Josh

  • @Chris.Donley
    @Chris.Donley Před 3 lety +1

    Every potential RV buyer should be required to watch this video. Well Done... I have always considered "Molded Fiberglass" bumper pulls to be the best quality units on the market. But, with the Introduction of Azdel and Vacuumed Aluminum Frame side walls, they have probably surpassed that typical "Molded" quality. Now if these manufacturers can just implement dual side Azdel, full aluminum Roof Trusses, and anti-moisture man made subfloor materials like the Marine industry has implemented for years, we finally have a near Bulletproof Formula. Bringing over more of the UK/Australian modern design cues also wouldn't hurt. C'mon U.S. RV industry, your getting close!

    • @JoshtheRVNerd
      @JoshtheRVNerd  Před 3 lety

      Those advances are certainly possible now, but it's a matter of cost vectors. Nicer stuff demands a higher cost & market trends strongly support current build production
      My hope is as time rolls on more and more advances will work into at least SOME more mainstream brands to give buyers more options

  • @charlesrose7212
    @charlesrose7212 Před 2 lety +1

    Great discussion. Thanks Josh! 😀

  • @campnut6076
    @campnut6076 Před 3 lety

    In the mid 80's I worked several years as an RV tech. I got to tour the Pace Arrow Motorhome factory in Pennsylvania. They were fiberglass laminated with aluminum frame and luan on the interior. They had a demonstration set up for us with a sledgehammer to see if anyone could put it thru the lamination. Absolutely nobody could. Yes it dented the fiberglass but that's it. Very strong rigid construction. I think it looks better and is easier to maintain also. Thanks for the video.

    • @JoshtheRVNerd
      @JoshtheRVNerd  Před 3 lety +1

      Wow! That's crazy -- never heard that before

  • @martyb3783
    @martyb3783 Před rokem +1

    Another great video full of great information.

  • @joyce7892
    @joyce7892 Před rokem +1

    I see a lot of delamination in the fiberglass and I understand it is tricky and expensive to fix. As a single woman, I don't think if want to take the chance unless I were to get it new and keep up on the maintenance.
    This was awesome in being able to see the pluses and minuses of both. Thank you.

  • @dieseldrax
    @dieseldrax Před rokem +1

    This video, while not very new, is great info without adding in personal bias. Indeed, proper care is absolutely the biggest factor in how long anything lasts and this is especially true with travel trailers. If you're buying new and keep up on proper inspections and maintenance then chances are you'll have a very positive experience and will have a trailer that shows this when you go to sell it. However, if you don't know what you're doing or you don't care about your equipment then it will definitely show when you go to sell it. This was the problem I ran into recently while looking for a used trailer, the laminated fiberglass trailers made it very easy to tell who cared for the trailer and who didn't. Finding a used, laminated trailer with zero delamination was nearly impossible and this was for trailers that were less than 10 years old. I'd been looking for something roughly 2015 or newer and they were either very faded or had one or more areas of delamination due to leaks. They claimed the leak(s) had been fixed, but by that point it's too late. The damage had been done.
    Now, I'm not saying leaks aren't a problem with stick&tin trailers. Any trailer will leak if not properly sealed/maintained, however if a stick&tin trailer has a leak it's much easier to repair and get back to new condition.
    I also see folks saying that aluminum lasts forever. While not wrong, that's skipping over the problems that aluminum trailers can have; Fatigue, especially in sub-par welds. Wood-framed trailers aren't without potential problems, but to suggest that aluminum-framed trailers will last forever and cannot develop problems is simply false.
    All else being equal, I'd take a laminated trailer over a stick&tin trailer if both were new or in like-new condition. I know myself and my maintenance routines would ensure the trailer would stay in very good condition. Used? All bets are off, and in fact it's purely due to the generally-poor/rough care that a lot of "nice" trailers have been subjected to that drove me to buy a used stick&tin trailer this time around, it was well cared for and was the layout we wanted. Previous trailer was laminated and while it never had a leak there was a very minor delam problem over one of the vertical frame pieces that caused a small bubble to form, possibly due to frame flex.
    Josh nailed it when he said one isn't better than the other, they're just different.

  • @kathleenjettlund7617
    @kathleenjettlund7617 Před 3 lety +2

    Thanks for doing this video, really appreciate this!

    • @JoshtheRVNerd
      @JoshtheRVNerd  Před 3 lety

      Our pleasure, Kathleen! Imagine the work we'll do for you when get the the chance to meet you :)

    • @kathleenjettlund7617
      @kathleenjettlund7617 Před 3 lety

      @@JoshtheRVNerd I spoke with one of your sales reps and appreciated his honesty. I've got an RV on order from someone local and am sticking with that order. BUT...I will be ordering from your excellent online parts department which you should market better. And down the road when I'm ready for my next RV it will be from Haylett. At the end of the day buying local for my first RV was important because I can hop in the tow vehicle and drive to them when I have a question or a problem and that is important as a first-time owner.

  • @mikemonroe5195
    @mikemonroe5195 Před rokem +1

    Big fan of yours. Have owned both, I’ll stick with a stick and tin. Just wish I had a better way to keep the black streaks under control

  • @dnicol73
    @dnicol73 Před 2 lety +1

    Thanks for your help and information. Following up 👋

  • @JV_214
    @JV_214 Před 2 lety +1

    Very educational video, I learned a lot! Good job

  • @arcticparatrooper11b2p
    @arcticparatrooper11b2p Před 3 lety +1

    Another great comparison video. I just subbed.

  • @bigoldal2436
    @bigoldal2436 Před 3 lety +1

    Great video!!! Repairing floor in my 04 r vision now. They went crazy for lightweight using1/4 plywood with foam and something under then compressed them together. I see today's rvs use5/8 s plywood even on lightweight rvs for flooring. Old Holiday Ramblers didn't use corrugated aluminum. Personally hate rubber roofs 😀

    • @JoshtheRVNerd
      @JoshtheRVNerd  Před 3 lety

      Those old R-Visions had some REALLY awesome qualities, but they were lighter than everyone else for a reason. A lot of people like to say things like "they don't built them like they used to" which is true -- RVs are thicker and heavier now than ever before.
      But.. along the way there have certainly been some growing pains. I bet that'll be a great rig once you're done touching it up!

    • @bigoldal2436
      @bigoldal2436 Před 3 lety +1

      @@JoshtheRVNerd thanks. Love the layout of the r vision. Now that I've replace a roof with TPO and repair the floor I'll have a great trailer😀

  • @johnwhitaker3382
    @johnwhitaker3382 Před 3 lety +1

    My wife and I are looking to buy travel trailer what would be your opinion on long-term campers. I know they all have issues.

  • @8machines62
    @8machines62 Před 3 lety

    Our JaycoJayFlight 24 ft is in the shop. We came through New Mexico with winds, and the siding came off!

    • @JoshtheRVNerd
      @JoshtheRVNerd  Před 3 lety +1

      That's wild! I hope you were able to stay safe in those winds!

  • @tbamagic
    @tbamagic Před 2 lety +1

    Josh- you really do an awesome job with these videos. I wish your place were in our area.

    • @JoshtheRVNerd
      @JoshtheRVNerd  Před 2 lety +1

      Where’s that? Never know if we might pop up closer to home some day 😉

    • @tbamagic
      @tbamagic Před 2 lety

      Sonoma County, Ca

    • @JoshtheRVNerd
      @JoshtheRVNerd  Před 2 lety

      @@tbamagic So... I can't say anything officially since nothing is "done" yet but we MIGHT be popping up a lot closer to your doorstep in the future... just gonna leave that here and let it marinate

  • @johnwimer4891
    @johnwimer4891 Před 3 lety +1

    Thanks for the video....very informative!

    • @JoshtheRVNerd
      @JoshtheRVNerd  Před 3 lety +1

      Glad it was beneficial for you. This comparison-type of video is SUPER time consuming, but it's such a common question I just don't see answered elsewhere frequently

  • @susanjspaulding
    @susanjspaulding Před 3 lety +1

    *Thanks for the FAB comparison video* !! *Learned more about Stick & Tin Vs Laminated Vs Hybrid construction* !! #HaylettRVRevewsNewsAndMore

  • @brotherheed00
    @brotherheed00 Před 3 lety

    Lol...we/I got hooked on the Azdale aspect along with one other feature that our first trailer has. Was completely blinded by many other features that turned out to be just as important. Lesson learned.

    • @JoshtheRVNerd
      @JoshtheRVNerd  Před 3 lety

      Man, I get it. There's a lot get to excited about on these things

  • @barcelonafan4449
    @barcelonafan4449 Před rokem

    Hi Josh. Love your channel. Wish you all were in Florida. I have a question on stick and tin. Are their any coatings you recommend to protect the colors on the outside aluminum. Thank you

  • @TWeederTool
    @TWeederTool Před rokem +1

    Great video Josh! Quick question: We looked at a used unit that had the wood supporting the dinette seats and bed frame cracking at the attachment points. I saw a video of the Rockwood campers being built and it showed aluminum floor, roof AND framing for the seat and bed areas. In your opinion, is that type of aluminum construction superior?

    • @JoshtheRVNerd
      @JoshtheRVNerd  Před rokem

      As someone who has seen thousands of used RVs I can tell you that I’ve only seen seating and sleeping areas stressed like that a few times. Usually by a larger person or someone with some rowdy kids of a decent size. I can also tell you that I’ve never seen an aluminum bed or dinette base fail

  • @DavidHBurkart
    @DavidHBurkart Před 3 lety +1

    Great info thanks Josh!

    • @JoshtheRVNerd
      @JoshtheRVNerd  Před 3 lety +1

      You bet! I'll keep dusting off some old footage & seeing what I can come up with

  • @mrjack8849
    @mrjack8849 Před 3 lety +1

    This discussion reminds me of similar ones in the bicycling community. Folks try to rationalize which frame material is best for them; steel, aluminum, carbon fiber, and even titanium. Each has advantages and disadvantages. The biggest thing I hear about aluminum against others is that it is much more rigid. It gives less and absorbs less road chatter and the rider feels that. In RV’s, perhaps that long term vibration of towing might wear other things down further that are attached to an aluminum frame versus wood which absorbs more vibration. I’d like to a video that highlights differences in RV chassis types and materials (steel vs aluminum).

    • @JoshtheRVNerd
      @JoshtheRVNerd  Před 3 lety

      If you notice my body, then you'll likely realize the old High School Huffy is about my extent of biking knowledge lol

  • @billhunter611
    @billhunter611 Před 2 lety +3

    Really appreciate your Channel!
    Can you cover the used RV Market a little better...and more recently?
    Also what is the difference between the aluminum skin RV sun fade resistance versus the fiberglass wall RV?

    • @JoshtheRVNerd
      @JoshtheRVNerd  Před 2 lety

      I actually put out a monthly series touching on the status of things including the used market here czcams.com/video/aJON1ZjnKLw/video.html
      Between the last few episodes you should have some idea of what things are looking like :)
      For fade resistance I generally give the nod to painted units (whether that's painted aluminum skin or a full body paint on a fiberglass unit)

  • @dam4274
    @dam4274 Před 3 lety

    Like the Wilderness for example, the front is smooth and round giving you the benefit aerodynamically of a smooth skin camper.

  • @robertburgess6100
    @robertburgess6100 Před rokem

    Great video Josh.

  • @brendatrimble9528
    @brendatrimble9528 Před 2 lety +1

    Great information. Thank you!

  • @randomspirit
    @randomspirit Před rokem +1

    Good informative video! Thank you!

  • @Johnysoutherner
    @Johnysoutherner Před 3 lety +2

    This has helped me tremendously, so thank you.
    May I ask for a comparison video between the Jayco 264bh vs the Grand Design 247bh?
    Were a family of 6 with a small dog & we want something with some higher than average rigidity.
    Ive watched both of your 2020 264bh videos several times but would like to have a 1:1 go over of these 2 models.
    Seemingly the Grand Design is more luxurious & feature packed, but does the Jayco beat that with an overall stronger build?
    Both have similar floor plan layouts (at least that meet our basic needs) but I'm picky & want the most amount of knowledge available....hence why my wife & I keep coming back to your videos. Either way, thank you again for the clarifications & the time you spend making these videos. God Bless

    • @JoshtheRVNerd
      @JoshtheRVNerd  Před 3 lety

      We have a growing list of comparisons you may enjoy here czcams.com/play/PLUT5NkY-l88zukyiKhrCNqdwawrbltxl4.html
      I'm still working on making some "Baseline" comparisons footage of "brands vs brands" rather than specific "models vs models"
      Also, I do not offer information on campers we do not feature at Haylett RV.
      I can say the differences you're seeing between those two models represent the fact they're in two different market segments. The Jayco 264BH is in their simpler "SLX" series while the 247BH you mentioned corresponds to the "Full Jay Flight" segment.
      We have layouts like that from Jayco, Cherokee, Wildwood, AND Catalina -- each with their own unique set of benefits and features.
      I encourage anyone to always look past what's just "skin deep" & factor that in vs. how often you plan to use the RV and how long you plan to own it.

  • @plz1277
    @plz1277 Před 3 lety

    Thanks for all the great info! I’m curious, I’m wanting to take my trailer when I buy (I’ll be thinking of you all!) into national forest. Is one skin more susceptible to damage or scuffs from things like branches, than another?

    • @JoshtheRVNerd
      @JoshtheRVNerd  Před 3 lety +1

      I've seen branches leave their marks on both. The best bet there is just keeping the RV as small as possible to avoid contact

  • @NewVisionLCS
    @NewVisionLCS Před 3 lety

    Excellent comparison Josh!

  • @russlickteig4955
    @russlickteig4955 Před rokem +1

    Great video Josh! I am wanting to buy a used RV and do some remodeling to save money vs buying a 60k + RV. It sounds like the wood-based camper vs laminated would be better especially for holding screws. Do you happen to have a video about remodeling/restoring campers?

  • @redfoot69
    @redfoot69 Před rokem

    I made mind up I going cargo trailer conversion now never have to worry about structure issues

  • @COMMANDER-ONE
    @COMMANDER-ONE Před rokem

    So you didn’t put out a video today so I had to dig deep and watch an old one! Very good video though I think I’ve seen it two or three times now. Lol

  • @dominiccampbell1989
    @dominiccampbell1989 Před 3 lety

    Another great video. Thank you

    • @JoshtheRVNerd
      @JoshtheRVNerd  Před 3 lety

      Thanks again! More to come :)
      Going to make a regular diet of dusting off some of that good topical footage I created years ago before our channel grew so much

  • @michaelcurtis3307
    @michaelcurtis3307 Před 2 lety

    Josh, what is the best built, smaller size, toy hauler camper with no slides ???

  • @edwise8275
    @edwise8275 Před 3 lety +1

    Very good information thanks

  • @stevenfoster5737
    @stevenfoster5737 Před 3 lety +1

    Well done.

  • @applejacks971
    @applejacks971 Před 3 lety

    Never judge a camper by its cover...or a book by its...well, something or another. Informative vid! Thanks for sharing :)