Back in the late 70’s and 80’s I ran a Victor Jr, on a 355, and a 1966 327 cubic inch. It was a old school 47 ford pickup with fender well headers. Turbo 400, 4.88 gears. Old school ladder bar. For back in the day, it would scream! Made a lot of boys mad with their big blocks! Had comp cam 292 duration cam, 492 heads, that had been worked on for round track motor 377. I’m older now and recovering from renal cancer,chemotherapy etc. Don’t know about all the new electronics today, but we had fun! Ronnie East Tennessee
similar experience here. had a 355 from a friends oval track car that i ran on the street. ported 292's 11.5:1 compression vic jr and a crane oval track cam solid flat tappet cam .554/576 lift, something like 250/260@.050 duration on a 106lsa and a highly modified predator carb on top. Made a 65 elcamino scream on the streets back in '88. I now think the vic jr cam and predator were a perfect match. I've built a lot of small blocks that on paper should have been a lot better, roller cams, bigger intakes, "better" heads, but i still think that old combo was better.
I purchased a new vic jr for a 383 I'm building and after I watched this I looked at some old manifolds I had and I have one of these same old vic jr manifolds. It has a date on bottom from 1991. Sending new one back and porting this old baby to match a 1206. Going on a 11.1 383 with solid roller and promaxx 215 project x. Shooting for 600hp on 93
That is an awesome deal with your son. You sound like me with my son. I'm your age but my son is a young adult now, but I remember being a proud dad. I still have my first car, and I can't imagine selling it. I got my first car which is an 88 Monte SS in 1993. My grandfather helped me get it because I worked for him and he helped raise me, but anyway cool store brought back memories. He is off to a good start with nice tubular control arms, cage, coilovers, and the engine it'll hook and go once the suspension and engine are dialed in.
Eric, You should contact Ed McCandless ( the veteran Mopar pro stock driver/champion engine builder) The Chevy Victor Jr was copied from a Mopar W2 intake Herb developed and tested back in the Mid 70’s The Chevy and Mopar Victor Jrs are almost identical internally. Herb even mentions it on his CZcams biography. Both Herb and his son Herb Jr are very cool people very friendly and knowledgeable. I hope you reach out to him I run a self ported Victor Jr on my 414 stroker 340
I’m excited too! Running a Vic Jr on 496. Builder has it on dyno now. 620 at 5800 and valves started to float. He’s working that. We debated whether to use Vic Jr or Dominator. I know what you are testing has nothing similar to what I have but Edelbrock impresses me. Fingers crossed.
Not surorised, lots of 70s designed intakes work great Shame all these yrs later they arent really improved upon HOlley used to make a 300-36 best dual plane I ever used then they quit making them.
the vic jr has never been a turd. it is always a decent choice. it may not be the best in every engine, but it will do just fine. 425ho for a high school kid that just got his license....odds are good he wont have a license long.
Having used various Victors on a road race car I used a original Victor on fuellies, then on Dart2s. Used a Bowtie Victor later on those which was better. Then went to Victor 23deg race heads and a 2925,, an entirely different engine with exactly the same bottom end. Initially I had used a 1" open spacer, then a 2" which was better. This on the chassis dyno. I also tried a 4 hole 2" spacer which hurt the engine, above about 5000 it went flat. This was at the track, not on the dyno. I had heard the b/s about 4 hole being magic etc. It was like pulling the choke half on. This on a 12-1 358 Chev. And that is where you should be for a dyno mule. Most of the world has a 6 litre [366] limit. Only drag racing uses larger. And speedway garden sheds!!
I bought a vic jr. intake and put on my engine to replace an rpm air gap, it was a used vic jr. It has same kind of casting marks on that #1 intake runner just not as deep. How strange I thought it was someone nicked mine with a die grinder or something there or tried carving their name. My intake is bone stock so will be interesting to watch the results of your testing Thursday.
I wish I still had my old Edelbrock Scorpion to send you to test. I forgot which part of the number it was, but the RPM rage was 4500-8000 according to Google. It was ported by Lynn Morris back in the mid 90s.
A while back you showed us a head that broke out the divider between the intake and exhaust ports. When you have time, I would like to see a test of this head. Seems like I remember you said it ran better and didn't carbon up as bad. Just checking with you. Thank you for all of your videos with all the content
Very interesting, I WAS going to use a new trick flow intake on my fresh forged 355 SBC with World Products sportsman II heads. But now, I will just dust off and reuse my old VictorJr. with a 750CFM 41XX Holley & 1" 3/4 tube headers & keep it simple and on point with all motor & no Juice. Other than gasket matching the ports & smoothing the bowels are there any other back yard type tricks I might want to look into on the Sportsman II heads? Motor is going into a 3,500 pound street 68 Camaro with 4:10s in 12 bolt rear, Turbo 350 trans with gear vendors over drive & 4,500 stall converter.
I hope that new VJ intake does well. I just bought one and installed it on my 71 Camaro with the Atomic 2 setup, and chose that intake because of your tests. Granted I'm not making nearly that much HP (probably closer to 450) but now I got my fingers and my toes crossed that it'll do at least as well as, or close to, if not better than the older one. 🤞
Good news I have an old one for sale, for 3x the price of a new one when it makes more power. Kidding of course but watch the price go up on old ones if the new one makes less power! For intakes I actually do have a superram for sbc I could maybe part with, lol.
Very Interested in the 4150 and adapter to the 4500 style super victor intake , to see if we loose or gain hp and tq, thank you sir for your time doing this,
Went out of my way in the 90s to find an American made Team G and put a lot of time into it. Have a 300-25 and 300-10 which are supposed to make more on a dyno but concerned with a 230cc head on a 385 it would be sluggish. THis little intake works excellent The newer ones are way lighter due to less metal in them, pass on that.
I would be incredibly happy if I was 16 and was getting a Nova with 425hp My first car was a 78 camaro LT. I picked it up for 800.00 Traded my dirt bike for a 327 out of my dad's buddies 68 Nova. Prob 290hp The rear gear was 2:56 ... 70mph in 1st gear 112mph in 2nd gear. Lol..
I love where the channel is headed, good choice on not handing him the s10, but you could set a low rev limiter and detune it enough to let him get his feet wet, but i understand not trusting him yet 😂 good move to get him your sisters motor, let him get used to it, once you know he isn’t going to crash it showing off, put a little 75-80mm turbo on it, get him in the shop often if he isn’t already
I've got a Blueprint 396, with msd dist and double roller timing set. Blueprints dyno sheet read 511hp at 5800 517 torque at 4300 at 16 initial 35 full mech, which I thought was maybe optimistic, so I had it dyno'd again and with 22 initial and 37 full mech it made 465 hp at 5400 and 503 torque at 4000.At 5500 it dropped 2 hp, so they didn't bother taking it higher. I am thinking of swapping the blueprint dual plane for a Vic Jr, I thought it might make, maybe another 15-20 hp at maybe 5800 but that is purely a guess, I know it will lose torque down low but the car is probably not more than 3000 # with me in it and has a 4000 converter and 4.10 gears so it might be OK.
In old days thought was 4hole into open plenum increased Venturi signal and helped shear fuel droplets, have you ever tested, most of the spacers now are blended.
Eric, I enjoy all of your videos....but at least ONE intake manifold you did NOT mention is the Weiand Track Warrior---of which you once told me that it was better overall than ever the Victor Jr when it comes to a Big Block Chevy---so what gives now?---what did I miss??? Thank you Sir, Mark
Hi Eric, A Father Son project, lucky man , lucky son ! Keep us updated that would be great! Did you ever do any testing on the Edelbrock Tm-1 or the original torker? just curious !
To find out what is being tested and when new things are happening is to become a channel member. You do that by going to my website weingines.com and follow the link to my online store. You will also get live updates on the dyno stuff. The tunnel ram will be tested this week.
Yes, it will show everything that happens in this session. Although I have no idea when it will be done. If you are channel member you will see the results the day it is happening. You can sign up for that on my website wengines.com
Hey Eric I friended you on fb anyway I bought a 406 short block I got a pretty good deal on it it's got a eagle crank and good forged flat top pistons but stock rods I'm going to put good rods in it and freshen it up I plan on duplicating your dyno mule engine what is the R.P.M. range of the solid roller that is in your 406 just the way it is set up with the promaxx heads? and if I decide to build it the same way can I buy the cam through you? Thanks rick427
Hey Eric, I have a Holley sniper sheet metal intake I can send you if you’d like to test it on your dyno mule. It is a dual carb, if necessary I can supply carbs and linkage just let me know what size carbs you think would work best on your setup. I’m building a similar cubic inch sbc it’s just going to be a high rpm deal. If is something that may interest you let me know and I’ll gladly send it to you to test. Eddie wheels from Nj😬🧑🏻🦽👍.
Back in the late 70’s and 80’s I ran a Victor Jr, on a 355, and a 1966 327 cubic inch. It was a old school 47 ford pickup with fender well headers. Turbo 400, 4.88 gears. Old school ladder bar. For back in the day, it would scream! Made a lot of boys mad with their big blocks! Had comp cam 292 duration cam, 492 heads, that had been worked on for round track motor 377. I’m older now and recovering from renal cancer,chemotherapy etc. Don’t know about all the new electronics today, but we had fun! Ronnie East Tennessee
similar experience here. had a 355 from a friends oval track car that i ran on the street. ported 292's 11.5:1 compression vic jr and a crane oval track cam solid flat tappet cam .554/576 lift, something like 250/260@.050 duration on a 106lsa and a highly modified predator carb on top. Made a 65 elcamino scream on the streets back in '88. I now think the vic jr cam and predator were a perfect match. I've built a lot of small blocks that on paper should have been a lot better, roller cams, bigger intakes, "better" heads, but i still think that old combo was better.
Sounds like we both enjoyed ourselves! I’m 69 now, but I still try to keep up. Cost is way different now. Thanks for the reply.
Take care of those kidneys!! bet that was an 11 sec truck, always wanted one like tht .Miss the days of those cams and deep gears
@@cuttnhorse201355 and decrepit cant work. I miss being able to work hard and blow $ at PAW
only 450/450 god bless you dad
I purchased a new vic jr for a 383 I'm building and after I watched this I looked at some old manifolds I had and I have one of these same old vic jr manifolds. It has a date on bottom from 1991. Sending new one back and porting this old baby to match a 1206. Going on a 11.1 383 with solid roller and promaxx 215 project x. Shooting for 600hp on 93
Good ole intake Glad to see you're taking my advice on the schoenfield header 😊
excited to see the results i have the older jr on my car currently nice intake
That's pretty cool I can't wait to see the testing
Love your videos, very informative!!!
I personally love those Novas I've had several '77s and I am looking for another
That is an awesome deal with your son. You sound like me with my son. I'm your age but my son is a young adult now, but I remember being a proud dad. I still have my first car, and I can't imagine selling it. I got my first car which is an 88 Monte SS in 1993. My grandfather helped me get it because I worked for him and he helped raise me, but anyway cool store brought back memories. He is off to a good start with nice tubular control arms, cage, coilovers, and the engine it'll hook and go once the suspension and engine are dialed in.
Eric,
You should contact Ed McCandless ( the veteran Mopar pro stock driver/champion engine builder)
The Chevy Victor Jr was copied from a Mopar W2 intake Herb developed and tested back in the Mid 70’s
The Chevy and Mopar Victor Jrs are almost identical internally.
Herb even mentions it on his CZcams biography.
Both Herb and his son Herb Jr are very cool people very friendly and knowledgeable.
I hope you reach out to him
I run a self ported Victor Jr on my 414 stroker 340
czcams.com/video/Fnv3UJB6xxk/video.htmlsi=Hi-bmX3LbGOjClE5
I’m excited too! Running a Vic Jr on 496. Builder has it on dyno now. 620 at 5800 and valves started to float. He’s working that. We debated whether to use Vic Jr or Dominator. I know what you are testing has nothing similar to what I have but Edelbrock impresses me. Fingers crossed.
7-10HP in my 1996 Dyno testing
I've used Robertson tires several times.
Very nice people
Comparing old vs new will be very interesting. Still can’t believe the Vic Jr is the HP winner on a 600 hp engine!
Not surorised, lots of 70s designed intakes work great Shame all these yrs later they arent really improved upon
HOlley used to make a 300-36 best dual plane I ever used then they quit making them.
the vic jr has never been a turd. it is always a decent choice. it may not be the best in every engine, but it will do just fine. 425ho for a high school kid that just got his license....odds are good he wont have a license long.
I still have my Edelbrock Scorpion intake i bought used in 1987. 😎🏁
Having used various Victors on a road race car I used a original Victor on fuellies, then on Dart2s. Used a Bowtie Victor later on those which was better. Then went to Victor 23deg race heads and a 2925,, an entirely different engine with exactly the same bottom end.
Initially I had used a 1" open spacer, then a 2" which was better. This on the chassis dyno. I also tried a 4 hole 2" spacer which hurt the engine, above about 5000 it went flat. This was at the track, not on the dyno. I had heard the b/s about 4 hole being magic etc. It was like pulling the choke half on. This on a 12-1 358 Chev.
And that is where you should be for a dyno mule. Most of the world has a 6 litre [366] limit. Only drag racing uses larger. And speedway garden sheds!!
I bought a vic jr. intake and put on my engine to replace an rpm air gap, it was a used vic jr. It has same kind of casting marks on that #1 intake runner just not as deep. How strange I thought it was someone nicked mine with a die grinder or something there or tried carving their name. My intake is bone stock so will be interesting to watch the results of your testing Thursday.
When they first came out we were looking at the first one that came in, we all said,, na. When it went on the Dyno none of us believed it.
There's a few versions the one with the as cast inch taller plenum is the best of all .
I’ve had 2 intakes where I took just the base of the carburetor put it on the misalignment was insane
Thank you for your knowledge and videos USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸
Right on
I wish I still had my old Edelbrock Scorpion to send you to test. I forgot which part of the number it was, but the RPM rage was 4500-8000 according to Google. It was ported by Lynn Morris back in the mid 90s.
A while back you showed us a head that broke out the divider between the intake and exhaust ports.
When you have time, I would like to see a test of this head. Seems like I remember you said it ran better and didn't carbon up as bad. Just checking with you. Thank you for all of your videos with all the content
I will eventually test that on the dyno but not yet
As I remember buying vr jr's , the older one is really old I bought one mby in mid ninety's n looked like the new one
Very interesting, I WAS going to use a new trick flow intake on my fresh forged 355 SBC with World Products sportsman II heads. But now, I will just dust off and reuse my old VictorJr. with a 750CFM 41XX Holley & 1" 3/4 tube headers & keep it simple and on point with all motor & no Juice. Other than gasket matching the ports & smoothing the bowels are there any other back yard type tricks I might want to look into on the Sportsman II heads? Motor is going into a 3,500 pound street 68 Camaro with 4:10s in 12 bolt rear, Turbo 350 trans with gear vendors over drive & 4,500 stall converter.
I hope that new VJ intake does well. I just bought one and installed it on my 71 Camaro with the Atomic 2 setup, and chose that intake because of your tests. Granted I'm not making nearly that much HP (probably closer to 450) but now I got my fingers and my toes crossed that it'll do at least as well as, or close to, if not better than the older one. 🤞
Good news I have an old one for sale, for 3x the price of a new one when it makes more power. Kidding of course but watch the price go up on old ones if the new one makes less power! For intakes I actually do have a superram for sbc I could maybe part with, lol.
@@sebbonxxsebbon6824 How much for the sr?
Very Interested in the 4150 and adapter to the 4500 style super victor intake , to see if we loose or gain hp and tq, thank you sir for your time doing this,
Thanks for watching.
Went out of my way in the 90s to find an American made Team G and put a lot of time into it.
Have a 300-25 and 300-10 which are supposed to make more on a dyno but concerned with a 230cc head on a 385 it would be sluggish. THis little intake works excellent
The newer ones are way lighter due to less metal in them, pass on that.
I would be incredibly happy if I was 16 and was getting a Nova with 425hp
My first car was a 78 camaro LT. I picked it up for 800.00
Traded my dirt bike for a 327 out of my dad's buddies 68 Nova. Prob 290hp
The rear gear was 2:56 ...
70mph in 1st gear 112mph in 2nd gear. Lol..
I love where the channel is headed, good choice on not handing him the s10, but you could set a low rev limiter and detune it enough to let him get his feet wet, but i understand not trusting him yet 😂 good move to get him your sisters motor, let him get used to it, once you know he isn’t going to crash it showing off, put a little 75-80mm turbo on it, get him in the shop often if he isn’t already
I've got a Blueprint 396, with msd dist and double roller timing set. Blueprints dyno sheet read 511hp at 5800 517 torque at 4300 at 16 initial 35 full mech, which I thought was maybe optimistic, so I had it dyno'd again and with 22 initial and 37 full mech it made 465 hp at 5400 and 503 torque at 4000.At 5500 it dropped 2 hp, so they didn't bother taking it higher. I am thinking of swapping the blueprint dual plane for a Vic Jr, I thought it might make, maybe another 15-20 hp at maybe 5800 but that is purely a guess, I know it will lose torque down low but the car is probably not more than 3000 # with me in it and has a 4000 converter and 4.10 gears so it might be OK.
So, did the sharp edge and 1206 opening make that manifold special ?
In old days thought was 4hole into open plenum increased Venturi signal and helped shear fuel droplets, have you ever tested, most of the spacers now are blended.
Nothing beats a cast iron spread bore intake for a Quadrajet. 😂
Eric, I enjoy all of your videos....but at least ONE intake manifold you did NOT mention is the Weiand Track Warrior---of which you once told me that it was better overall than ever the Victor Jr when it comes to a Big Block Chevy---so what gives now?---what did I miss??? Thank you Sir, Mark
They don’t make a track warrior for the small block.
I just bough a 84 corvette can you help , I'm not in to electronics ( it has a chip & under drive pullys )
Could you put a 3 angle "valve job" on the underside of a 4 hole spacer? Thinking it would direct flow and fill the plenum more evenly and faster....
No need it is radius underneath.
@@WeingartnerRacing thank you, couldn’t tell on my phone I thought it was a hard edge.
Hi Eric, A Father Son project, lucky man , lucky son ! Keep us updated that would be great! Did you ever do any testing on the Edelbrock Tm-1 or the original torker? just curious !
I have not.
Did I miss something or do I need to keep being patient for the results on the tunnel ram
To find out what is being tested and when new things are happening is to become a channel member. You do that by going to my website weingines.com and follow the link to my online store. You will also get live updates on the dyno stuff. The tunnel ram will be tested this week.
So we’re getting another small block book that shows the old victor jr, vs the new victor jr intake?
And will show the tests on the spacers?
Yes, it will show everything that happens in this session. Although I have no idea when it will be done. If you are channel member you will see the results the day it is happening. You can sign up for that on my website wengines.com
I sent an email. Have you ever tested an Sy1, Smokey Ram single 4 barrel cross ram?
Hey Eric I friended you on fb anyway I bought a 406 short block I got a pretty good deal on it it's got a eagle crank and good forged flat top pistons but stock rods I'm going to put good rods in it and freshen it up I plan on duplicating your dyno mule engine what is the R.P.M. range of the solid roller that is in your 406 just the way it is set up with the promaxx heads? and if I decide to build it the same way can I buy the cam through you? Thanks rick427
You can go back and watch the video of the dyno mule to know what range the cam works in. Those heads are stock from promaxx.
How would the original Torker intake compare to the Victor Jr
I don't know and I don't have a desire to test it.
Looks like the bottom of the Platinum has been epoxy on the old style
Whats the part numbers on these intakes
Please watch the video.
@@WeingartnerRacing i did see that one is 2975 bit i didn’t catch the other one
Do you live in Tulsa?
In broken arrow a suburb
I learned how to drive on victor Jr condoms©
Shoot, 400 hp isn’t nothing to turn your nose up to. Plenty of kids get trouble in 200 hp mustangs, lol.
Most of my friends and I were getting in trouble with clapped out toyota pickups that didn't even have 100 hp hahaha
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Maybe your sons condom usage was tooo much. 😂. I know what you’re saying. Especially now adays.
Hey Eric, I have a Holley sniper sheet metal intake I can send you if you’d like to test it on your dyno mule. It is a dual carb, if necessary I can supply carbs and linkage just let me know what size carbs you think would work best on your setup. I’m building a similar cubic inch sbc it’s just going to be a high rpm deal. If is something that may interest you let me know and I’ll gladly send it to you to test.
Eddie wheels from Nj😬🧑🏻🦽👍.
It would have to make it here by Wednesday to test on Thursday.