It's really crazy how many similarities there are in the way they taught shooting positions back then when compared to now. I guess solid fundamentals remain the same for the most part.
@@isokessu ... no. The term "assault rifle" was expressly coined by an anti-gun group leader who said "it is intentionally vague, and meant to confuse the non-gun owners into thinking they are the same as automatic military weapons or machine guns" in a leaked memo.
My father taught me how to shoot when I was very young, 5 or 6 years old. Flinching and closing my eyes or jerking the trigger when I shoot is as foreign to me as it is not to do it for most people. I can remember my father balancing a dime or a nickel on the barrel of the rifle and having me practice squeezing the trigger and dry firing the rifle without dislodging the balanced coin. My father was an unbelievable shot well before he joined the Army where he qualified as an expert. My uncles used to tell me about my father shooting nickels and dimes tossed in the air with his Winchester Model 74 .22lr when he was a kid. They said he could shoot glass marbles tossed in the air or place them on the mouth of a coke bottle and bust them and drop the shards into the coke bottle. I saw him in his mid to late forties shoot pecans out of the air with a little Browning .22lr that he had never shot before. He was wearing eyeglasses at the time and said his eyes weren't what they used to be, but he still made the shots. I watched him sight in a used but new to him Remington 7400 .243 win. that I bought him at a gun show. He rested against a telephone poll and put three shots on target that I could cover with a dime using open sights. He adjusted his sights, fired three more and was sighted in. I'd seen him shoot shotguns while duck hunting, but I must have been 12 or 13 before I ever saw him shoot a rifle and was absolutely amazed. He is 78 today, it's his birthday, he is bed ridden with dementia unable to even feed himself, it's just one of the side effects he has suffered from being exposed to Agent Orange in Vietnam in 68-69.
This film is the product of a time when marksmanship (as well as many other skills) were taught based on an objective, empirical approach, rather than the subjective, theoretical teaching we see today. That's why old instructional films are characteristically easier to understand than newer ones, and that's why those who learned the "old way" were able to master their skills instead of merely imitating someone else with varying degrees of success.
The narrator is Dan Tobin, born in Cincinnati Ohio. He had a long Hollywood career before the war and after. His most famous was as "Gentleman Dan" on the "Andy Griffith Show" he lured Barney into the cell and ended up with Barneys gun and keys.
I like how they keep pounding it int your head about killing to make them comfortable with death before they get to the battle field which is a good thing so it's out of your head
Love mine. growing up, I had, Smle, and pump shot guns, and semi auto 22"s, and thought I had a rifle, even my 1903, but I was wrong. The M1 is a mans rifle. I modified a clip, so it doesn't eject, and I can load 7 rounds from the open bolt. I have a Mauser in 3006, I take to the woods, to hunt. It is ok if it gets wet and dirty. The m1 is retired to range work. some day, I will get a match rear sight for it. they claim, by turning the hood, you can make 1/2 minute adjustments.
Today’s training begins with acknowledgment that the bullet ALWAYS goes in the direction the barrel is pointed. This makes it difficult for the student to blame the rifle for poor results. The next thing the student must confront is if the bullet always goes in the direction the barrel is pointed then how do we know where the barrel is pointed? Of course the answer is sight alignment but you might be surprised that most students don’t have any knowledge of how to properly align sights and thus that’s why training begins with the topic of sight alignment.
@@raseli4066 actually he taught me, that you take more people off the battle field. if you wound them. one man down, and two, to carry him off. but mostly, to aim small, miss small. at long range, center mass shot. if close enough, stick it in his eye socket. he served, in WW2 and Korea. he said when he joined the army, they still had horses.
@wikieditspam lmao plz do time travel before hearing my approval. 22:37 is not the way you shoot on a competition range, there is absolutely no bone support. If someone said that was a combat stance and if he bent forward a little, Id agree, but I can already imagine the sway he'd be getting from using that many muscles
@semiautoriflelover more than two, they've been around since 1775, and they've been in each war they've been called to. American Revolutionary War Quasi-War Barbary Wars War of 1812 Seminole Wars Mexican-American War American Civil War Spanish-American War Philippine-American War Boxer Rebellion Banana Wars World War I World War II Korean War Vietnam War Gulf War Somali Civil War Kosovo War War in Afghanistan Iraq War Operation Odyssey Dawn And they fought harder than hard in each one.
@oyvnes bullshit, nobody in the world still qualifies to shoot out to 500yds with the service rifle like the US Marines you didnt shoot with Marines on their rifle qualification because you wouldnt be allowed as a non Marine I shoot in competition and this video covers alot of valid points
Sounds like he's from Boston or New York, somewhere from New England (but not Jersey), possibly with Irish or English descent (or both). Of course back then dialects were more pronounced.
@USMarineRifleman0311 All those people are wrong, just because a lot of people do it doesn't make it the right way. You can become the best person in the world at doing something well the wrong way, but you'll probably never have it as good as someone who is best at doing it right. I'll time travel to bring any honored marksman who used the M1 rifle, and I bet you he would say that 22:37 is the worst way you could shoot the rifle.
@wikieditspam thank you for your comment, and your point is? Just watch the movie (which is old yeah so?) or stfu and go comment something else. Thank you!
When I was a kid people who thought they were educated and sophisticated spoke like this. So funny to hear it years later. No one sounds like this today.
@mgibbs88 According to statistics, I would have to say Vietnam where the troops were taught to lay down a blanket of fire (which would make sense in a jungle environment, but doesn't work so well in large open areas like Afganistan or Iraq). I'd have to say that using a 3-round burst instead of full automatic helped alot.
I’ve seen em all and I am a Military Rifle Instructor using today’s curriculum. I can tell you most all instruction is same as it was in early 1900’s. Biggest change is emphasis on shooting during natural respiratory pause instead of holding or watching breathing, which can lead to distraction from sight alignment and trigger control for concentration on breathing.
Today’s US Service Rifle Competition allows shooters to use the military leather or web sling in sitting and prone positions to steady the position beyond what is possible from bone alone. The goal of any position is to transfer the stability of the ground into the position from bone/artificial support, muscular relaxation, and natural point of aim.
I dare say that any here not having had some formal marksmanship training may not understand what calling the shot means and why it’s important to marksmanship development. At any rate, everything important to good shooting has been known since the 1920’s as proven by review of period marksmanship training materials. Unfortunately today’s shooters appear for the most part not to have any interest in marksmanship because they think they already know how to do it. These folks would be smart to attend an M1 Garrand Clinic or the USAMU Small Arms Firing School. These programs confirm the video here is as proper today for marksmanship development as it was when it was produced.
Competition shooters use airguns, or .22 rimfire rifles. The recoil of 30-06 will destroy the stability of that position and beat the hell out of your shoulder if you hold it like that.
@@charlesludwig9173 Well, if you can show me a video of someone shooting that way in a high power competition _and placing,_ I'll believe you. Specifically, what that dude is doing with his support hand.
@dizzyman67 I have spent many years in the norwegian army, and i have trained a lot with the us marines. They are awesome soldiers and great riflemen, but they are not better than the norwgians or the british, dutch or germans i have trained with.
"Spray and Pray"? Post Vietnam we removed Full-Auto from vast majority and went with the 3-shot burst to prevent just that. Waiting for a clear aimed shot is also likely to end up without firing a round. Enemy tend to be "invisible" as YOU should be in a fire fight. Unlike Hollywood or Video Games men don't just stand there and let you shoot them. A real firefight is a bunch of simultaneous little battles. Just don't freeze up. Firing in general direction is better than a cold weapon...
What a waste of time. The norwegian army learn their recruts to shoot in a much moore smart and faster way. But this was probably necessary when the us army had the learn millions of recruts to shoot in ww2.
@M1ASniper You seem pretty fixated on homosexuality. I'm just guessing, but are you maybe homosexuall yourself? Many homophobe are. I'm not judging you. It is your business what sexual orientation you have.
Great, now we all know how use an obsolete battle rifle, good for the zombie outbreak when it happens, lets hope no one who see's this video needs these skills.
i cant speak for rifle men , but america is not best at everything... yes, they are best at some things but not every thing. and america is not the greatest nation on earth, itis great but not the greatest...
You'll notice that the people who claim that Americans claim to be best/greatest at everything are the ones saying it, so they can bash America. America was great, hopefully will be again. America was best at some things, still is. As for losing ears ... Check your dictionary for "lose" and your history book for who did it.
It's really crazy how many similarities there are in the way they taught shooting positions back then when compared to now. I guess solid fundamentals remain the same for the most part.
Yep was just thinking that. Main differences in standing and sitting lol. They still wrapped their slings to tighten range of motion!
I think that we adopted "dont fix what aint broke". Im sure there are unadopted ways to evolve combat
But we still use rifles. Its just that they are assault rifles.
@@lberger195 assault rifle is m16, ak47, ri62 or similar
@@isokessu ... no.
The term "assault rifle" was expressly coined by an anti-gun group leader who said "it is intentionally vague, and meant to confuse the non-gun owners into thinking they are the same as automatic military weapons or machine guns" in a leaked memo.
You have to love those old training films.
My father taught me how to shoot when I was very young, 5 or 6 years old. Flinching and closing my eyes or jerking the trigger when I shoot is as foreign to me as it is not to do it for most people. I can remember my father balancing a dime or a nickel on the barrel of the rifle and having me practice squeezing the trigger and dry firing the rifle without dislodging the balanced coin. My father was an unbelievable shot well before he joined the Army where he qualified as an expert. My uncles used to tell me about my father shooting nickels and dimes tossed in the air with his Winchester Model 74 .22lr when he was a kid. They said he could shoot glass marbles tossed in the air or place them on the mouth of a coke bottle and bust them and drop the shards into the coke bottle. I saw him in his mid to late forties shoot pecans out of the air with a little Browning .22lr that he had never shot before. He was wearing eyeglasses at the time and said his eyes weren't what they used to be, but he still made the shots. I watched him sight in a used but new to him Remington 7400 .243 win. that I bought him at a gun show. He rested against a telephone poll and put three shots on target that I could cover with a dime using open sights. He adjusted his sights, fired three more and was sighted in. I'd seen him shoot shotguns while duck hunting, but I must have been 12 or 13 before I ever saw him shoot a rifle and was absolutely amazed. He is 78 today, it's his birthday, he is bed ridden with dementia unable to even feed himself, it's just one of the side effects he has suffered from being exposed to Agent Orange in Vietnam in 68-69.
Thank You for sharing this personal story.
God bless your dad.
This film is the product of a time when marksmanship (as well as many other skills) were taught based on an objective, empirical approach, rather than the subjective, theoretical teaching we see today. That's why old instructional films are characteristically easier to understand than newer ones, and that's why those who learned the "old way" were able to master their skills instead of merely imitating someone else with varying degrees of success.
The narrator is Dan Tobin, born in Cincinnati Ohio. He had a long Hollywood career before the war and after. His most famous was as "Gentleman Dan" on the "Andy Griffith Show" he lured Barney into the cell and ended up with Barneys gun and keys.
stuka52 I thought he looked familiar lol
Also secretary to Katharine Hepburn’s character in Woman of the Year.
Appeared regularly on television in "Perry Mason".
Thumbs up if you reached for your " hollow shoulder"!
Yes, and I felt which muscle it was that was going to hurt!
This was actually very helpful for me.
In old times, the military knew how to shoot!
The title says "Part 1", but the film says "Part 2 - Positions". So where's the real Part 1?
Part one, being the sighting and aiming exercises, was a classroom or one on one instructor session. Most the field manuals cover these exercises.
There was a part 1 in this series but it’s been lost
Love this videos I’m learning so much ! Thanks
Thanks again, NV. Keep 'em coming!
Marlin Brando, Gregory Peck, Angie Dickinson, Omar Sharif were all magnificent in this movie!
this is quite helpful for reenactors with little to no practice using a rifle
@NocturnalBreather
Bellau Wood 1918
I like how they keep pounding it int your head about killing to make them comfortable with death before they get to the battle field which is a good thing so it's out of your head
It's really quite an awful thing.
Thank you for sharing.
The M1 Garand rifle is just like a woman. You got to pull her in tight and squeeze. You take care of her and she will take care of you.
Love mine. growing up, I had, Smle, and pump shot guns, and semi auto 22"s, and thought I had a rifle, even my 1903, but I was wrong. The M1 is a mans rifle. I modified a clip, so it doesn't eject, and I can load 7 rounds from the open bolt. I have a Mauser in 3006, I take to the woods, to hunt. It is ok if it gets wet and dirty. The m1 is retired to range work. some day, I will get a match rear sight for it. they claim, by turning the hood, you can make 1/2 minute adjustments.
@@steve-rr3nq why would you change an M1? They are rare these days.
@@NORTH_CAROLINA_REAPER I just modded the en bloc clip. Never mod the rifle.
@@steve-rr3nq oh, alright. You're lucky to own one of those rifles.
I love when you had to teach people that the tip must point forward
Today’s training begins with acknowledgment that the bullet ALWAYS goes in the direction the barrel is pointed. This makes it difficult for the student to blame the rifle for poor results. The next thing the student must confront is if the bullet always goes in the direction the barrel is pointed then how do we know where the barrel is pointed? Of course the answer is sight alignment but you might be surprised that most students don’t have any knowledge of how to properly align sights and thus that’s why training begins with the topic of sight alignment.
My grandpa, would say," Do it like your girlfriend, Hold it and squeeze it."
Did he also aim to kill?
@@raseli4066 actually he taught me, that you take more people off the battle field. if you wound them. one man down, and two, to carry him off. but mostly, to aim small, miss small. at long range, center mass shot. if close enough, stick it in his eye socket.
he served, in WW2 and Korea. he said when he joined the army, they still had horses.
Are there any sighting and aiming excise videos?
Those 5 manequins are amazing
@LearnToTurn7 since when did the army start teaching spray and pray?
@ZerokillerOppel1 they also used to teach lefties to be righties when writing as well
@wikieditspam
lmao plz do time travel before hearing my approval.
22:37 is not the way you shoot on a competition range, there is absolutely no bone support. If someone said that was a combat stance and if he bent forward a little, Id agree, but I can already imagine the sway he'd be getting from using that many muscles
Wow, how did you get an hour length video up?
It is commonly referred to as a "Mid-Atlantic" accent.
Or "proto-globalist" accent
@@deovindice1799 Really?
@@deovindice1799 go grind your axe elsewhere. This comment section is reserved for adults who have some idea what they’re talking about.
Does this training film have a Part 1 before Positions? Does anyone have the intro?
@semiautoriflelover more than two, they've been around since 1775, and they've been in each war they've been called to.
American Revolutionary War
Quasi-War
Barbary Wars
War of 1812
Seminole Wars
Mexican-American War
American Civil War
Spanish-American War
Philippine-American War
Boxer Rebellion
Banana Wars
World War I
World War II
Korean War
Vietnam War
Gulf War
Somali Civil War
Kosovo War
War in Afghanistan
Iraq War
Operation Odyssey Dawn
And they fought harder than hard in each one.
I didn't know the M1 was used so extensively!
3:45I got lost when he started adjusting all those loops and hooks.😩😭
You would lol
@oyvnes
bullshit, nobody in the world still qualifies to shoot out to 500yds with the service rifle like the US Marines
you didnt shoot with Marines on their rifle qualification because you wouldnt be allowed as a non Marine
I shoot in competition and this video covers alot of valid points
Sounds like he's from Boston or New York, somewhere from New England (but not Jersey), possibly with Irish or English descent (or both). Of course back then dialects were more pronounced.
Is there a link to the actual part 1?
Part 2 is part 1 they got the labels mixed
@USMarineRifleman0311 All those people are wrong, just because a lot of people do it doesn't make it the right way. You can become the best person in the world at doing something well the wrong way, but you'll probably never have it as good as someone who is best at doing it right. I'll time travel to bring any honored marksman who used the M1 rifle, and I bet you he would say that 22:37 is the worst way you could shoot the rifle.
27:09 Strike up the band!
@wikieditspam thank you for your comment, and your point is? Just watch the movie (which is old yeah so?) or stfu and go comment something else. Thank you!
This film is labeled wrong it starts at Part 2, where is Part 1?
28:18...damn that guy must be ancient LOL
No Garand thumb indeed, Mr. Tenacious Trilobite
It's weird hearing that mid-Atlantic accent on the instructor, like he's a posh Brit trying to talk Yankee.
When I was a kid people who thought they were educated and sophisticated spoke like this. So funny to hear it years later. No one sounds like this today.
M1Garand won a lot of battles.Germans had some great simiautomatic but too few too late
@mgibbs88 According to statistics, I would have to say Vietnam where the troops were taught to lay down a blanket of fire (which would make sense in a jungle environment, but doesn't work so well in large open areas like Afganistan or Iraq). I'd have to say that using a 3-round burst instead of full automatic helped alot.
instructur look like the young of col. trautmann
Now get Training Films from AFTER WW2, Korea, and Vietnam and will REALLY see Differences.
I’ve seen em all and I am a Military Rifle Instructor using today’s curriculum. I can tell you most all instruction is same as it was in early 1900’s. Biggest change is emphasis on shooting during natural respiratory pause instead of holding or watching breathing, which can lead to distraction from sight alignment and trigger control for concentration on breathing.
so the sling is for your own personal preference.
Today’s US Service Rifle Competition allows shooters to use the military leather or web sling in sitting and prone positions to steady the position beyond what is possible from bone alone. The goal of any position is to transfer the stability of the ground into the position from bone/artificial support, muscular relaxation, and natural point of aim.
Crazy how people didn't used any ear protection and was OK after passing the war
In the standing position, holding that rifle in position with the just the right hand/arm... ain't easy. At least, not anymore for this old man!
I dare say that any here not having had some formal marksmanship training may not understand what calling the shot means and why it’s important to marksmanship development. At any rate, everything important to good shooting has been known since the 1920’s as proven by review of period marksmanship training materials. Unfortunately today’s shooters appear for the most part not to have any interest in marksmanship because they think they already know how to do it. These folks would be smart to attend an M1 Garrand Clinic or the USAMU Small Arms Firing School.
These programs confirm the video here is as proper today for marksmanship development as it was when it was produced.
Dude looks like Bill Murray in Caddyshack!
Amazing how far we've come.
It's called M-1 Thumb for good reason.
"Keep your heads down and STICK TO YOUR TRAINING"
1:08:33 mans not get a garand thumb
Garand thumb occurs some times when the bolt is charge to much or your running it would snap but in new condition or no on active use it wont snap
@M1ASniper Where did you learn that kind of debate techniques? In a american college? Or as we call it in Europe; kinder garden?
All this is for righthanded people. Lefthanded people just have to reversre all the tips?
Nope. All you Southpaws have to break your brain, and shoot wrong handed.
22:37 doesnt work?
thats the best standing position, all competition shooters use it
Best position to get Hit by Enemy.
Competition shooters use airguns, or .22 rimfire rifles. The recoil of 30-06 will destroy the stability of that position and beat the hell out of your shoulder if you hold it like that.
@@ericsmith5919you have never shot in high power rifle competition. The shooter doing it here is doing it right.
@@charlesludwig9173 Well, if you can show me a video of someone shooting that way in a high power competition _and placing,_ I'll believe you. Specifically, what that dude is doing with his support hand.
@@charlesludwig9173 high power shooters don't use the sling in the standing position.
@dizzyman67 I have spent many years in the norwegian army, and i have trained a lot with the us marines. They are awesome soldiers and great riflemen, but they are not better than the norwgians or the british, dutch or germans i have trained with.
Jack Knomm you’re the best hater
Damn they're some sloppy mag drills
"Spray and Pray"? Post Vietnam we removed Full-Auto from vast majority and went with the 3-shot burst to prevent just that. Waiting for a clear aimed shot is also likely to end up without firing a round. Enemy tend to be "invisible" as YOU should be in a fire fight. Unlike Hollywood or Video Games men don't just stand there and let you shoot them. A real firefight is a bunch of simultaneous little battles. Just don't freeze up. Firing in general direction is better than a cold weapon...
I read where most American GIs in WWII didn't fire a shot in battle. Even the most aggressive units had only about 20% firing their weapons.
@LearnToTurn7 You really don't know what you're talking about.
I think it;'s your basic, common New England accent.
I wonder if he lived to tell his grandchildren about it
He was on the Andy Griffith show must have lived😊
🤣
Родной язык.. хорошо хоть инстктору яйца не отстелил
The men going to the Pacific were taught to fire accurately from the hip, not just spray and pray.
I wish the army would still hold this idea of rapid fire, instead of spray-and-pray.
They do.
Woke army busy watching drag shows.
Some English actor doing the narration, me thinks.
Why was he so seductive with it at first like the way he be holdin that 😩
What a waste of time. The norwegian army learn their recruts to shoot in a much moore smart and faster way. But this was probably necessary when the us army had the learn millions of recruts to shoot in ww2.
@M1ASniper Americans are the best at everything?? You mean ENRON? Or the finance marked? Or losing wars in Vietnam, Irak and Afganistan? Agree!
@M1ASniper You seem pretty fixated on homosexuality. I'm just guessing, but are you maybe homosexuall yourself? Many homophobe are. I'm not judging you. It is your business what sexual orientation you have.
Great, now we all know how use an obsolete battle rifle, good for the zombie outbreak when it happens, lets hope no one who see's this video needs these skills.
Luke! Training..don't forget your training!
i cant speak for rifle men , but america is not best at everything... yes, they are best at some things but not every thing. and america is not the greatest nation on earth, itis great but not the greatest...
You'll notice that the people who claim that Americans claim to be best/greatest at everything are the ones saying it, so they can bash America.
America was great, hopefully will be again. America was best at some things, still is.
As for losing ears ... Check your dictionary for "lose" and your history book for who did it.