This taught me more then anything i learned in basic training....imagine that. They need to bring this back and really teach the true fundamentals of marksmenship
The difference in marksmanship between the Army and Marines is that only Marines who qualified as expert can teach, not so true in the Army. Drill Sergeants are all good at PT, but when it comes to marksmanship they’re a hit or miss. There are some DS’s that are barely qualifying themselves... As a matter of fact, marksmanship has gotten so atrocious in the Army, I saw an E-7 who barely qualified using the paper target version, now that’s sad...
In reality, I shot "Hawkeye" in the Army(which is a perfect score) over and over, throughout my enlistment and when I got out, I've made friends with many marines and I shoot circles around them. They literally look like they've never shot a rifle when we are at the range or hunt. So the bs myths that marines purport about how "they have better training" is all a myth. The training is the same....what makes the difference is the individual man.
The closing line of this video is perfect..."Every hit means that your country has one less enemy." Yes, that was American epicness. A truly nostalgic and informative 2 parter, even if you don't own a Garand.
God I love these old films. It reminds me of a time where we were direct and to the point. When we focused on the business at hand, and not having feelings about the job to be done.
The folks who wrote this instruction know how to do it as proven by Soldiers understanding it quickly. It’s still the case today. I assist the USAMU deliver SDM training and the big surprise is how quickly, literally about 15 minutes, a Soldier can come to understand what to do about the wind.
I remember hearing this in BT, that no 2 men are alike, And this is very true. I was with the 25th Id at Cu-Chi Vietnam class of 69-71. I do own a M-1 and didn't know this, I've never touched my rear sights. This was Great Thanks for up-loading
I love this guy's accent ! It is called , " an Trans Atlantic Accent ". (sic ) I wish he was my Drill Instructor in 1976, i could'a used him during Rifle Training at Fort Jackson. Thanks for all these Great videos. God's Peace.
The M1 Garand is without a doubt the best military rifle of World War Two. The captain is impressive and knowledgeable. He is obviously an expert and perhaps a West Point graduate. But if you look at combat footage from any of the theater of operations you will see the soldiers or marines putting out a large volume of fire at the enemy. It was firepower as well as stopping power that won the war. Not making adjustments to windage or elevation. Not precision. But regardless the M1 Garand rifle is what won the war.
From reading the Army rifle manuals of the time, their training emphasized both. Lots of on-target shots-off-target shots are useless. (That target might be just an aim point if the enemy was hidden.) The rifleman in combat would be expected to make sight adjustments quickly at the start, if possible-such as when repeatedly shooting at a concentration of enemies. If he didn't have time, like for a fast-moving target, he'd make do with using the battle sight and adjusting by eye. (That "captain" was Hollywood actor Dan Tobin, by the way.)
Throughout this whole video, I was thinking about the slim chance of actually making windage corrections under fire. Kentucky windage worked just fine when I was in Afghanistan in 01. All in all this was a great video!!
@@colinhowell2967 I suspect that the battle sight setting was used a lot in actual battles - the precision shooting seems more suited to snipers who would usually have a telescopic sight anyway. One US soldier or Marine recalled a close-in skirmish with a Chinese in the Korean War. The latter was only about 20 yards away. He fired several shots at the Chinese and missed while the latter would throw grenades at him that failed to detonate or whose explosion was weak. Then the US soldier realised his Garand was on the battle sight setting and at such close range the rounds were flying over the head of the Chinese. At his next shot he allowed for it and the fur cap of the Chinese went flying. No more grenades came. The American did not bother to check whether he had actually killed the Chinese - he withdrew from the position.
When I watch this, I continue to see why they were the greatest generation. Best explanation of elevation and windage I ever saw. I fear how many people would be lost by this clear explanation that requires you to think.
It would be interesting to know how many recruits actually grasped it. I have seen a manual for the Garand published in 1941 and its explanations would certainly test a recruit who was, say, semi-literate.
That M1 Rifle Shown , Inspection Cartouche SA GHS , Springfield Armory Inspector 1941 , Colonal Gilbert H. Stewart . Note : Early Windage Flush Nut . Early Gas Port " White Metal ", Not Painted Black . Great Training Film 🇺🇲 !
Imagine this concept, actually knowing how your rifle reacts to the elements and being able to adjust. Army really needs to overhaul their marksmanship training. If you can’t shoot effectively, what good are you in a firefight?
It is the type of rear sight used on the M1 rifle during the second world war. It's a small bar that screws on the the right side of the sight nob that keeps it from falling off. Almost all M1 rifles were upgraded at the end of the war. my may of 44 Garand didn't have it but as I said they were all upgraded. Google it and it will make more sense.
There were such officers back then who had combat experience many who got wounded and ended up being reassigned to basic training and infantry replacement centers in the US.
This training is priceless! I'm learning how to use the sights on my 75+ year old rifle , from an actual instructor from ww2.... good God I love you tube and the folks that upload gems like this.
I read another forumla for windage adjustment. "The basic equation for your trajector is theta = (1/2)arcsin[gR/v^2], where V is velocity and R is range. To make any useful numbers for a rifle, you have to convert theta from radians toeither Mils or MOA." I think I'll stick with this video's formula...
Most rifle scopes are still inch calibrated for the US market you can get Euro scopes in Cm 1 inch 25.4mm 2.5 Cm 50mm = 2 inches 100mm = 4 inches 10 mph wind us 16 kmh so 15 mph = 24 kmh simple 😉
thank you for posting this...real history...I hate to be negative about young people these days, but can you imaging an 18 year old grasping these simple concepts today? Even more....have them realize what this training was going to be used for??????God bless our troops and the sacrifice they continue to make today!
@@ericstoverink6579 im not sure that they are smarter. They have easier access to knowledge but they don't have to think as much if their smartphone can do it for them
Does patriotism require an enlistment bonus? Don't blame anyone for taking it, but the draft kept the DOD budget lower. O-1 pay was $222/ month, but overseas gas was $.16/gallon. Stateside a little more.
@RavenBlaze they were still shooting at bullseyes instead of human silhouettes believe me there's a huge change in mentality but that was the huge enabler
@FalconKPD It's possible. If he was 30 yrs old in this trng. film, he'd be 100 this year. My dad and his best friend are still with us at 92 after being shot up, more than once, in the South Pacific Theater. They're the only two left of my family and friends. My dad still kicks my butt at Golf and has dropped to a 140 bowling average. They built those guys super tough back in 1920. "Thanks to all who serve and have served".
They upgraded the rear sight after the war and left most of the other parts as is for the most part. You have wwii garands but being they have no lockbar they are not %100 WWII original. All WWII M1 Garands had lockbars That's just a fact like it or not.
wow... the way the Army teaches marksmanship fundamentals and the way the Marines teach marksmanship fundamentals.. is worlds apart even though ultimately they both want the same result. a trained rifleman... i guess it's just more motivating the way the Marine P.M.I.'s (primary marksmanship instructors) teach this class.. but no slam on the Army. they have good riflemen also. but this class would have put me to sleep. the instructor was Monotone. and sounded like charlie browns teacher
Most rifle scopes are still inch calibrated for the US market you can get Euro scopes in Cm 1 inch 25.4mm 2.5 Cm 50mm = 2 inches 100mm = 4 inches 10 mph wind us 16 kmh so 15 mph = 24 kmh simple 😉
It depends. Higher end scopes are generally MOA or MIL nowadays. 1/10 MIL adjustments are great for very accurate shooting and making. Learning how to use these reticles you can range targets and hold for distance (drop) and win with good dope and practice.
@@Nessal83 Hell... some of them can' t even operate a rotary or dial telephone. The only thing they recognize on the dial phone is that it has a hash tag (#) symbol, so it must work with Twitter.
@@ahndeux to be fair, they would not have seen any rotary telephones within there life time. But and analog clock there is no excuse for that nonsense.
@@auklon3372 If WIFI and cell towers are shut off, they wouldn't know how to tie their shoelaces. At least they are good at uploading Tik Tok videos of dancing fools.
yds with no zeroes by miles=clicks....any decimal left over is whole...so 3.1 = 4 clicks. Full correction 2,3,4,8,9,10 Half correction 1,5,7,6,11 Zip obviously, 6&12
am i the only one who noticed the title says "part 2" but the video clearly says "part 5"? where's the other 4 parts? and how about labeling them correctly?
This is basically what Appleseed has brought back in their instruction. Regular army today is not taught to shoot worth a damn as compared to years ago.
Lock bars mean nothing, i have multiple garands with no lock bars that are all SA ww2 and i have 6 rear sights all from diff mfg's, only one of which have it, and yet they are all ww2.
Yes, on the right side. The US military swapped the old, out dated lock bar sight with the one you have now. If I had known how much trouble my first comment would make I would have said nothing. hahah!
Na bud, K.I.S.S.. Keep It Simple Stupid. No offense. Here is the formula; Range (100yrd) x Wind Speed (MPH) / Constant = MOA. (MOA is a full value in this case) Go download yourself a Precision Rifle Sniper Log Book in .pdf. Everything including all formulas are in that booklet and it breaks it all down for you. I use mine for target shooting. It gets pretty fun knowing what your gun is doing.
Wow, they didn't even attempt to teach us this when I went to basic training in 2006. Really goes to show how far primary education has fallen in this country.
This is what the usmc and other branches need for basic rifleman instruction. Iraq and afghan veteran... God bless those who served . Remember to thank those who served. Because with out us the draft would be in effect. All gave some.... Some gave all... And if anyone runs there trap against this country then get the fuck out!!! Theres a reason why everyone wants to be here. Not in there native land. Just saying .
I think the Captain might be wrong. If zeroed at 100 yds and one click up gains you an inch each 100 yds, you need 2 clicks for 200 3 for 300 and so on. He's saying that I only need a single click at 500!! How did this get past the training command?!
This taught me more then anything i learned in basic training....imagine that. They need to bring this back and really teach the true fundamentals of marksmenship
The difference in marksmanship between the Army and Marines is that only Marines who qualified as expert can teach, not so true in the Army.
Drill Sergeants are all good at PT, but when it comes to marksmanship they’re a hit or miss. There are some DS’s that are barely qualifying themselves...
As a matter of fact, marksmanship has gotten so atrocious in the Army, I saw an E-7 who barely qualified using the paper target version, now that’s sad...
This was back when people were taught to do math in their head
Why didn't you listen up the first time?
In reality, I shot "Hawkeye" in the Army(which is a perfect score) over and over, throughout my enlistment and when I got out, I've made friends with many marines and I shoot circles around them. They literally look like they've never shot a rifle when we are at the range or hunt. So the bs myths that marines purport about how "they have better training" is all a myth. The training is the same....what makes the difference is the individual man.
@@yausanlee7641 You're a FOOL you sound like MSM.. Are you Also a Democrat
I started watching for laughs, and by the end I was scratching notes on the back of an invoice. Can't believe how much I learned from this!
The closing line of this video is perfect..."Every hit means that your country has one less enemy." Yes, that was American epicness. A truly nostalgic and informative 2 parter, even if you don't own a Garand.
🎯 👍💥
Remember... In WW1 one of those "hillbillies" received the Medal of Honor because of his ability to shoot.
God I love these old films. It reminds me of a time where we were direct and to the point. When we focused on the business at hand, and not having feelings about the job to be done.
The folks who wrote this instruction know how to do it as proven by Soldiers understanding it quickly. It’s still the case today. I assist the USAMU deliver SDM training and the big surprise is how quickly, literally about 15 minutes, a Soldier can come to understand what to do about the wind.
This video has GOLDEN information
8:11 give these guys an Oscar. I cracked up.
Wow, did I just learn windage and elevation in under 30 minutes? Thank you internet and these soldiers for your services.
they're actors
I’m a middle schooler and I was doing these problems easy. Great video too thanks for uploading
Good to see your generation learnin from the greatest…🫡keep it up…if you want something bad enough you can have it….
I wish that I saw this video about 40 years ago. It has answered many questions I've had through the years.
I remember hearing this in BT, that no 2 men are alike, And this is very true. I was with the 25th Id at Cu-Chi Vietnam class of 69-71. I do own a M-1 and didn't know this, I've never touched my rear sights. This was Great Thanks for up-loading
I love this guy's accent !
It is called , " an Trans Atlantic Accent ". (sic ) I wish he was my Drill Instructor in 1976, i could'a used him during Rifle Training at Fort Jackson.
Thanks for all these Great videos. God's Peace.
The instructor is actor Dan Tobin, from Cincinnati, but yes not an identifiable Cincinnati accent.
Great old video. Shows the history of training in a different age.
back when the HS graduate knew math/simple,, today all they know is what batteries fit their toys
Best Army marksmanship training film ever!
Omg i just had an epiphany! Gonna use the m1a's irons as intended
The M1 Garand is without a doubt the best military rifle of World War Two. The captain is impressive and knowledgeable. He is obviously an expert and perhaps a West Point graduate. But if you look at combat footage from any of the theater of operations you will see the soldiers or marines putting out a large volume of fire at the enemy. It was firepower as well as stopping power that won the war. Not making adjustments to windage or elevation. Not precision. But regardless the M1 Garand rifle is what won the war.
From reading the Army rifle manuals of the time, their training emphasized both. Lots of on-target shots-off-target shots are useless. (That target might be just an aim point if the enemy was hidden.) The rifleman in combat would be expected to make sight adjustments quickly at the start, if possible-such as when repeatedly shooting at a concentration of enemies. If he didn't have time, like for a fast-moving target, he'd make do with using the battle sight and adjusting by eye.
(That "captain" was Hollywood actor Dan Tobin, by the way.)
Throughout this whole video, I was thinking about the slim chance of actually making windage corrections under fire. Kentucky windage worked just fine when I was in Afghanistan in 01. All in all this was a great video!!
@@colinhowell2967 I suspect that the battle sight setting was used a lot in actual battles - the precision shooting seems more suited to snipers who would usually have a telescopic sight anyway.
One US soldier or Marine recalled a close-in skirmish with a Chinese in the Korean War. The latter was only about 20 yards away. He fired several shots at the Chinese and missed while the latter would throw grenades at him that failed to detonate or whose explosion was weak. Then the US soldier realised his Garand was on the battle sight setting and at such close range the rounds were flying over the head of the Chinese. At his next shot he allowed for it and the fur cap of the Chinese went flying. No more grenades came. The American did not bother to check whether he had actually killed the Chinese - he withdrew from the position.
@@stevekaczynski3793 Interesting anecdote, thanks!
When I watch this, I continue to see why they were the greatest generation. Best explanation of elevation and windage I ever saw. I fear how many people would be lost by this clear explanation that requires you to think.
It would be interesting to know how many recruits actually grasped it. I have seen a manual for the Garand published in 1941 and its explanations would certainly test a recruit who was, say, semi-literate.
Only an idiot would need this long of an explanation
thanks alot, so much ! love your accent. i youzed to live in northern n. england.
God Bless You !!!
Excellent video. Thank you for the information.
That M1 Rifle Shown , Inspection Cartouche SA GHS , Springfield Armory Inspector 1941 , Colonal Gilbert H. Stewart . Note : Early Windage Flush Nut . Early Gas Port " White Metal ", Not Painted Black . Great Training Film 🇺🇲 !
I was just searching for this info the other day for my M1 and M14’s and here it is.
Imagine this concept, actually knowing how your rifle reacts to the elements and being able to adjust. Army really needs to overhaul their marksmanship training. If you can’t shoot effectively, what good are you in a firefight?
They make it as simple as they can to cater for the simple guy using the rifle.
A Garand of a movie my dad probably had to watch this back in the day my Grandpa did something like this in ww-1.
Thank you for sharing.
It is the type of rear sight used on the M1 rifle during the second world war. It's a small bar that screws on the the right side of the sight nob that keeps it from falling off. Almost all M1 rifles were upgraded at the end of the war. my may of 44 Garand didn't have it but as I said they were all upgraded. Google it and it will make more sense.
Love this video I learn every day I watch it
My 68yr. old M1 functions better than my damn 2yr. old computer,......lol!
I took 1 click sir.! On the like button…imagine this crowd and instructor in a long range course today….
There were such officers back then who had combat experience many who got wounded and ended up being reassigned to basic training and infantry replacement centers in the US.
This video is very interesting, I'm taking notes.
I'd like to meet this guy today, given he's still around.
This training is priceless! I'm learning how to use the sights on my 75+ year old rifle , from an actual instructor from ww2.... good God I love you tube and the folks that upload gems like this.
Sorry to disappoint you, but that “instructor” is an actor. I’ve seen him in movies or early TV. Still, good info…
Thankfully right. Nothing better than the feeling of a well aimed shot hitting its mark.
Went through sniper school and more that 80% of the class was ballistics.
I read another forumla for windage adjustment. "The basic equation for your trajector is theta = (1/2)arcsin[gR/v^2], where V is velocity and R is range. To make any useful numbers for a rifle, you have to convert theta from radians toeither Mils or MOA."
I think I'll stick with this video's formula...
Draftees aren't required to have a masters degree in math!!
This is good training...👍
this is actually useful
I was waiting for moe to come up and smack someone 🤣🤣🤣
Ugggh!!!! Yards and inches!
I want a metric M1!!!!! lol
Lol
Most rifle scopes are still inch calibrated for the US market you can get Euro scopes in Cm
1 inch 25.4mm 2.5 Cm 50mm = 2 inches 100mm = 4 inches 10 mph wind us 16 kmh so 15 mph = 24 kmh simple 😉
Ahh so this is why it is called MOA minute of arc...clock.
thank you for posting this...real history...I hate to be negative about young people these days, but can you imaging an 18 year old grasping these simple concepts today? Even more....have them realize what this training was going to be used for??????God bless our troops and the sacrifice they continue to make today!
Yes I can imagine it. Young people today are far smarter than young people of older generations.
@@ericstoverink6579 im not sure that they are smarter. They have easier access to knowledge but they don't have to think as much if their smartphone can do it for them
Does patriotism require an enlistment bonus? Don't blame anyone for taking it, but the draft kept the DOD budget lower. O-1 pay was $222/ month, but overseas gas was $.16/gallon. Stateside a little more.
bro shut up, this isn't complicated for anyone
wait how would you know on the elevation part how would you know how much inches you missed?
Wow so informative
@RavenBlaze
they were still shooting at bullseyes instead of human silhouettes
believe me there's a huge change in mentality but that was the huge enabler
Does anyone know if the part about sight picture is around anywhere?
Guess again genius-it's still standard training with the M-16 today. Have you ever even spent 5 minutes in uniform? I didn't think so!
Where can I get chalk with a drop shadow?
I like how they don't bullshit anyone in these old films. "I don't know how it works. It just does!" Fuckin' A.
The era of the dedicated riflemen is over. Blast from the past.
@FalconKPD It's possible. If he was 30 yrs old in this trng. film, he'd be 100 this year.
My dad and his best friend are still with us at 92 after being shot up, more than once, in the South Pacific Theater. They're the only two left of my family and friends. My dad still kicks my butt at Golf and has dropped to a 140 bowling average. They built those guys super tough back in 1920. "Thanks to all who serve and have served".
His name is Dan Tobin and he died in1982, aged 72.
They upgraded the rear sight after the war and left most of the other parts as is for the most part. You have wwii garands but being they have no lockbar they are not %100 WWII original. All WWII M1 Garands had lockbars That's just a fact like it or not.
Where's Part 1?
wow... the way the Army teaches marksmanship fundamentals and the way the Marines teach marksmanship fundamentals.. is worlds apart even though ultimately they both want the same result. a trained rifleman... i guess it's just more motivating the way the Marine P.M.I.'s (primary marksmanship instructors) teach this class.. but no slam on the Army. they have good riflemen also. but this class would have put me to sleep. the instructor was Monotone. and sounded like charlie browns teacher
Most rifle scopes are still inch calibrated for the US market you can get Euro scopes in Cm
1 inch 25.4mm 2.5 Cm 50mm = 2 inches 100mm = 4 inches 10 mph wind us 16 kmh so 15 mph = 24 kmh simple 😉
It depends. Higher end scopes are generally MOA or MIL nowadays. 1/10 MIL adjustments are great for very accurate shooting and making. Learning how to use these reticles you can range targets and hold for distance (drop) and win with good dope and practice.
These soldiers are wise
I can't believe I have to watch ww2 rifle class for m1 garand xD
I bet you half the high school graduates today can't even do the simple math as taught by the trainer in the 40s.
Considering a recent poll found that a majority can't even read an analog clock, I would say you are right.
@@Nessal83 Hell... some of them can' t even operate a rotary or dial telephone. The only thing they recognize on the dial phone is that it has a hash tag (#) symbol, so it must work with Twitter.
@@ahndeux that's why they're all liberals....😉
@@ahndeux to be fair, they would not have seen any rotary telephones within there life time. But and analog clock there is no excuse for that nonsense.
@@auklon3372 If WIFI and cell towers are shut off, they wouldn't know how to tie their shoelaces. At least they are good at uploading Tik Tok videos of dancing fools.
thanks much lost my copy of this ages ago ....the math is basic and workslike a hot damn!
I don't think most soldiers today could do the simple math!
what if you dont see it?
why didnt they teach this in school he made it so simple
That's why you sight in a rifle BEFORE you go into action. If you miss in action it is because you failed to prepare.
how can any one dislike this video
yds with no zeroes by miles=clicks....any decimal left over is whole...so 3.1 = 4 clicks. Full correction 2,3,4,8,9,10
Half correction 1,5,7,6,11
Zip obviously, 6&12
@tittiger they do
I gots one of them rifles. with 8 clips.
This is not from 1942 there is no lock bar on the rifle. Post WWII.
This captain is pretty cool. I wonder if he's still alive by any chance?
FalconKPD he probably got lit up by mg42 or died of old age.
This “captain” is an actor who died in 1982. Dan Turbin
@@samiam619 he was still a Captain...doing his part in the war effort.
am i the only one who noticed the title says "part 2" but the video clearly says "part 5"? where's the other 4 parts? and how about labeling them correctly?
I am super curious as to the names of some of the soldiers in this film, where they were from and whether they survived the war.
The instructor is actor Dan Tobin. He was Katharine Hepburn’s secretary in Woman of the Year.
God bless USA
Part 2???? it says Part 5????
I'm sure you got a ton of kills in Call of Duty.
This is basically what Appleseed has brought back in their instruction. Regular army today is not taught to shoot worth a damn as compared to years ago.
At the start of the video it says "1943".
@getemhi because all the great American epicness is gone :(
shooting starts at 22 and ends at 30 lmfao im a smartass
I wonder if the Captain was in that hillbillie skit.
maybe in the military its over, but not in the civilian rifleman world! :)
by the time they get done with the bs, the recruits would not care if it dispensed ice cold beer. its all in the way its presented to them.
Lock bars mean nothing, i have multiple garands with no lock bars that are all SA ww2 and i have 6 rear sights all from diff mfg's, only one of which have it, and yet they are all ww2.
Do you really think the average GI made all these calculations in his head during the din and chaos of battle?
Basic training, experienced soldiers can react faster than a green.
Yes, on the right side. The US military swapped the old, out dated lock bar sight with the one you have now. If I had known how much trouble my first comment would make I would have said nothing. hahah!
Ian Lemieux the
Na bud, K.I.S.S.. Keep It Simple Stupid. No offense. Here is the formula; Range (100yrd) x Wind Speed (MPH) / Constant = MOA. (MOA is a full value in this case) Go download yourself a Precision Rifle Sniper Log Book in .pdf. Everything including all formulas are in that booklet and it breaks it all down for you. I use mine for target shooting. It gets pretty fun knowing what your gun is doing.
Wow, they didn't even attempt to teach us this when I went to basic training in 2006. Really goes to show how far primary education has fallen in this country.
I’d be too stupid for shootin’
Nor handle the weight of the weapon/ammo or the recoil!
How come people don't talk like that anymore.
THIS IS FUN WHAT ABOUT POWDER CHARGE
FLUSH NUT SIGHTS!..............DROOL!
槍
This is so clear a Cave Paratrooper could understand it.
Why don't you say hi to him yourself. I have no allegiance to that fool!
Truth is in a real situation you don't have time to aim!
This is what the usmc and other branches need for basic rifleman instruction.
Iraq and afghan veteran... God bless those who served . Remember to thank those who served. Because with out us the draft would be in effect.
All gave some.... Some gave all...
And if anyone runs there trap against this country then get the fuck out!!! Theres a reason why everyone wants to be here. Not in there native land. Just saying .
I think the Captain might be wrong. If zeroed at 100 yds and one click up gains you an inch each 100 yds, you need 2 clicks for 200 3 for 300 and so on. He's saying that I only need a single click at 500!! How did this get past the training command?!
NEED SOME DANG SUBTITLES FOR THOSE DRUNK BUMPKINS
Nazi sniper has joined the group
If I could I would rather had lived back then and forfeit anything that I know about this shit-hole that we live in now!!