HP's Dragonfly Pro Review: What a mess!
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 11. 07. 2024
- Confusingly named and marketed. A mess.
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00:00 Introduction
01:40 Weight
02:10 Performance
04:50 Ports
05:20 Display
06:40 Keyboard
07:05 Trackpad
08:47 Chassis
09:22 Biomentrics, Webcam, Speakers
10:03 Conclusion and Recommendations
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Seeing how mainstream laptop manufacturers nowadays strips away features rather than including them, I'm hoping for the Framework 16 to be a massive success and forcing them to cater to consumers
It won't. You're comparing a small company in the US with big international companies.
Not so sure. As soon as framework offers a touch screen, Iâm in.
The feature of constantly dumping money to a cheap-looking machine? I don't miss that feature.
People
This is what happens when you don't listen to your customers.
You see what happens Larry?
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I think it's marketed to business use if you want a gaming or design work you may have to look elsewhere
What I really like is the "Bang & Olufsen" writing on the side of the device. I simply too often forget which sound system I'm using. So this is highly welcome and it shows that HPs design team is thinking a lot about helping us forgetful people! I wished they would also show the processor manufacturer and the company producing the memory on the side.
This could've been such a good laptop, even one of the top choices for the year. Seriously, what the hell were they thinking?
EDIT: I forgot to mention. They gave the better display to the Chromebook version. A CHROMEBOOK. How did this even get greenlit in the first place??
Professional chromebooks. You love to see it.
Idk how to feel about this đ đ đ . But I appreciate the straight forward review Josh. That was the reason I subscribed to u. U make everything easy and not very complicated. Thanksâ€đ
I watched this review and still bought this laptop, and I'm actually very happy with it. While I've enjoyed other reviews on this channel, for me, this one didn't seem very balanced.
* Battery life is fantastic here - best in class on Windows, and the charging is fast. I was sick of awful battery life on Razer Blade.
* Thermals are exceptional - it's incredibly cool, never uncomfortable to have on my laptop.
* Also super happy with the webcam and mic, the HP device software elevates both. I took a meeting outside with a lawnmower going next door, and I was shocked it couldn't be heard by others on the call.
* I like that it's a touch screen.
* Brightness is good and comfortable to use outside. Glossy screen is also a pro here.
* Love the build quality and keyboard. I actually prefer a bit more solidity with some extra weight over the thin and lights.
I'm no laptop reviewer of course, but as an average user, the compromises here like a lower-res screen in return for better battery life are ones I'm happy with.
On the common criticisms...
* I use bluetooth a ton and don't often need IO other than USB C. I threw a hub from Anker in my backpack and haven't thought about it since. Better IO would be nice, but it honestly doesn't affect my day to day.
* The HP keys on the side don't matter to me much, and the device one is actually quite useful to change webcam and mic settings. I've used laptops with num pads that I never use so why would it bother much to have one less used column on the side đ€·
* On the price front, I might be paying a premium for the experience I wanted, but I'm ok with that.
My biggest caveat is that I would prefer a 15-inch laptop, but 14 inches is fine.
My favorite thing about other reviews on this channel has been the recognition that what matters is that the laptop meets your needs. For me, this laptop is much more useful than the many gaming laptops on the market that are often popular on review channels. It exceeds in meeting my day to day needs.
Thanks for the feedback Sam. As you mentioned and I'll reiterate, if it meets your needs that's what matters
I'll never understand what HP was thinking when they decided to start this line of laptops. They can't fool people into thinking paying a higher price tag for a "business" laptop has any more benefit if you dig deeper into it. Really sad how badly some manufacturers understand their market.
Just want to say... you are doing a great job with these product reviews. Keep it up.
Appreciate the thorough review. Was looking at this model but the weight put me off the hunt.
Please make a Video on Framework, that would be fantastic! Also nice video as always :)
Awesome review as always!
Calling a Laptop "Pro" without ANY aspect of it being exceptional (CPU, GPU, color accuracy+resolution or at least acceptable performance while being super light weight) indeed feels a bit scammy. It feels like HP deliberately tried to make the laptop heavy and look good to pretend there is some serious hardware inside. And because of that they charge you some hefty money.
I mean look at the power brick! It says 98W and say to yourself "Uu, big power brick for a strong laptop!", It's such a BS marketing strat đ
This was, once again, a straightforward review in which you managed to cover all aspects of the device. Well done, Josh! Thank you. Be well.
Thanks for the review Josh. In our house my wife has an ASUS VivoBook (few years old) and I have a MacBook Air M2 (pretty new) that came in under that price point. Based on your review of the HP Pro I think they're both superior machines, even if they aren't perfect (e.g., the ASUS has the same light colored keys that are hard to read if the backlight is on).
useful information loaded video as usual , MY question , will HP release a new HP x2 Chromebook/ tablet for 2023 ?
Comparing this to the new Lenovo Yoga Slim/Pro 7 is not even funny. It's literally better or the same in almost every single way and for a lower price.
You've really nailed the sales floor experience though this would definitely look nice but just not offering anything that's all that exciting. With that amount of money I might try to get a macbook pro or even air and then have some money for something extra.
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Thanks mate
@@JustJoshTech well thank you
lol that crazy pricing
Thanks for all the painstaking work you do with this stuff! Watched many of your videos trying to get a good idea for an upcoming purchase. It seems clear that a MacBook Air is the way to go. đ
The 2023 Lenovo Slim Pro 7 with the AMD Ryzen 7 7735HS processor and an RTX 3050 seems like a much better choice. However for some reason it's only limited to 16GB RAM.
ASUS VivoBook Pro 15 has all that for only $950, and RAM's expandable to 64GB.
The ryzen zen4 of the Elite firefly G4 is coming and it WILL be laptop OF THE YEAR. super light, RDNA3 780M GPU, 15-20hr 68whr battery, USB-A, HDMI ports. stay tuned
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Hi Josh .. What do you think about the Lenovo slim 7 pro x with AMD Ryzen 9 5900HS ??
im surprised that the soldered storage wasnt mentioned
Frig Noah, good point, I forgot! Yes that isn't positive either
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i bought one of these, i am enjoying it so far, maybe hp has updated what it is doing with the perfomance regulation, i am satisfied with the performance, i got the 32 gb ram and 1 tb rom variant for 800 bucks before taxes
As usual, an honest review. What I appreciate is the fact that you seriously help people to make their own decision saying the truth and, I would like to say, again, thanks for the help you gives me some days ago. Helping people means giving objective and honest suggestions as you do. Thanks
What's your thought on their vapour chamber? It feels like they forgot to put in a GPU.....
I have a new hp laptop. There is problem in this laptop screen got freezed randomly while using after many complain there is no any solution. What should we do
I'm freaking confused for the last couple of weeks. I'm willing to buy Legion 7 Gen 7 AMD Advantage. This Laptop has Ryzen 9 6900HX, Radeon RX6850M XT 12 GB GDDR6 Graphic card, 32 gb DDR5 ram, 2 TB SSD. It now costs around 2180 USD (previously it was 2800). Will it be better than 3070ti? or will this gpu equally perform with RTX 4070 mobile? I'm actually worried about it's content creation ability. will it be good enough for content creation? And Is it worth for the price? please give me a reply.
This is one of the most informative laptop channels I've ever seen.
Just bougth the dell latitude 9430. It's awesome
Hey josh can u review asus flow x16 flow ?
HP Elitebook 845 or 865 would be my preference at that price range
What 2 in 1 laptop has the best camera?
Awesome revirew as usual
I just don't understand who make up the R&D team of these big tech companies and how they come up with such brilliant, outside-the-box ideas such as a row of keys that serve as shortcuts to different tabs of the SAME utility app that you'd barely use after setup.
And putting Delete key on the right side, after the power button. đ€Šââ
R&D don't do this, someone presses down from above and forces the change. Left to their own devices, R&D always deliver a great product that's too expensive with no clear target audience though. So you do need some management, just the right sort. Not whatever produced this laptop
@@Mandragara You somewhat described this laptop though. Sort of expensive for what it is with no clear target audience...
@@lordtardar4639 Yeah but the dedicated support keys is 100% not the R&D team
TBH I think having the Delete key in the top right corner instead of the power button is the lesser of two evils as it'd be easier to reach the Delete key blindly (you'd find that very useful if you type a lot), but I think it's best if manufacturers separate the power button from the keyboard altogether.
The design is so nice though. I'd take that any day over my zenbook 14 oled 5600u.
When is the review of lenovo yoga 9i pro 16 inch?
I have some more before then. So likely May
@@JustJoshTech Thanks for responding, I never buy a laptop before your reviews đ . I really appreciate your work
Still in the era of sh1tty laptops and I'm supposed to pay 1500 + for this? F- no.
The HP business laptop is insanely good. The keyboard, and IOs are the best of the best. Even comes with a sim card slot.
The only complaint is the display. Considering it is running an 8th gen CPU, probably just outdated.
I just don't understand why HP can't simply take away the vPro and the smart card reader. Then rebrand it as a consumer product.
It's fucking year 2023 and laptops still suck lol the progress of humanity
Vapor chamber went unmentioned: disappointing
It sounds like HP expected people to buy into the name brand and not notice the small inconsistencies of this laptop.
Need more videos from Josh, best tech journalism in you tube.
Josh deserve more subscribers.
Why mention lack of headphone jack most are going to use Bluetooth people don't want lots of cables to carry round,
Yeah I don't get it either. I never used the headphone jack with any of my laptops
Zen 3 is not from last year... it's from late 2020. Just shows how amazing Zen 3 was (is).
Fair, but as I recall. The laptops didn't hit shelves till 2022. Correct me if I'm wrong
it's not an excuse to sell outdated chips, AMD sniffer
I am very disappointed as well. The Dragonfly Elite was expensive, but it was exceptional. It has the best keyboard of any laptop, a great battery, great I/Os, very good display, and great choices overall. The Dragonfly Pro Chromebook is better than this in every single way as well. Worse of all, we have better choices from Acer and Dell.
Ain't buying an HP next time for sure. I bought a HP Pavillion Gaming with an RTX 3050, thought it would be a good gaming laptop but it isn't. The biggest problem is that HP controls the power modes. I would like to decide when I want to control the performance and not HP.
This is just so on brand for HP. Some nice features, some complete misses on the basics, and the inclusion of features that absolutely no one wants. I also wonder how much bloatware HP loads. If I had a dollar for every commodity PC HP shat out, I'd retire a wealthy person. Is there any company in the tech space so lacking in imagination as HP?
Looks like a strict downgrade compared to that zenbook 14 oled you reviewed several months ago
Dear you are a unique
I fail to understand why HP as one of the older brands is so heavily out of touch with the market.
What's about battery?
It's in the review
I'll timestamp it when I get home
I'd rather buy a secondhand rather than brand new.
This is the laptop that HP and AMD touted as being the best computer they have worked on together? Wow such a big let down, sigh maybe the next version will be better.
in 2021 i bought my omen en0012na and that's the worst purchase i've could have made, hp doesn't care about their customers, and their products are half baked, half of the shit doesn't even work, what a shit show of a company.
What a stupid product lmao. Why would a retail customer buy this? Has 'designed by committee' all over it
Why can't we just have a laptop with a good trackpad, good battery life, good ports, decent screen, and good enough performance. Like I don't need any crazy gpu. Why can't we have this?
I know, its nuts right!!!
@@JustJoshTech It seems like every manufacturer tries so hard to give us the best of one thing at the expense of everything else. The only company I've seen being able to pull it off is Apple. But MacOS just isn't for me no matter how much I try.
@@jayrollo1352 Apple can't deliver that experience for a Windows user. The tight MacOS-hardware integration is how they have such good battery life. With Windows, a Macbook would flounder worse than a Dell IMO
It's an easy no for me.
Excellent review. It's like these manufacturers are not even trying to get close to the MacBooks. On top of that, bad practices like bundling bloatware (Dell), inconsistent drivers, and including physical buttons for a subscription service (3 keys just for different tabs in a single app is INSANE!) in this case is just rubbing salt in the wound. With a premium laptop with high standards set by Apple, they just can't get away with this stuff. If I was in market for a laptop in this segment, Macbook Pro 14 is a no-brainer for me.
Honestly HP is declining. And it is decling fast. Their gaming side, the OMEN sucks nowadays. 1
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I am so angry about my HP Z book- what a piece of junk.
it's overpriced compared to the poor performance
HP is not the company I'd recommend buying any electronic from. And nowadays unless you're on a tight budget, you're gaming, or you need some very specific piece of Windows software, there is absolutely no reason to buy a Windows laptop at all. A few years ago this wasn't true but with these new Apple silicon laptops, the competition is almost laughable in almost every area. It's sad really as i'd like to get a laptop that runs Linux that is as good as my MBP 16 M1 Max or my M2 MBA but I have tried half a dozen laptops and sent them all back.
Agree to some extend. It goes also back to preferences of windows vs Osx. For me at least glossy screen is a deal breaker. It is a torture for my eyes and screen is important. So dell XPS is another option. But agree Apple laptops are great but as any machines have limits.
For the price, this laptop simply isn't worth it, and the lack of port selection or any upgradability makes it worse... Framework for me for now. BTW, great review!
Which one would I buy instead ... Probably a ThinkPad or a MacBook
I bought a Thinkpad in 2020 and love it. Wish the touch pad was better but I just use a wireless mouse to circumvent the issue
The charger is tiny. Are you literally such a bad reviewer that you expect a charger to not actually charge a device while it's in use? Like seriously, what are you thinking?
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Why HP why? Why get rid of headphone jack and immediately alienate anyone using it for DAW or other audio work?
I think this laptop was designed by a group of NPCs at HP. They must hire anyone!
"Remove the headphone jack, it makes us look more modern!"
If I had to buy a laptop today I would probably buy an Apple Laptop.
After you said that it doesn't have a headphone jack I completely lost interest in this laptop. I am so annoyed that this trend has slipped from smartphones to laptops. Not all of us use Bluetooth earbuds and prefer wired headphones. Give us choices!!
c'est terrible
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