What Does Singing WHILE Dancing Sound Like?
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0:00 Live vocals, lipsync, dancing... it's confusing!
0:48 Simple choreography, harder vocals (Mamamoo)
2:09 Difficult choreography, simple vocals (ITZY)
2:41 Skipping the moves?
3:14 Backing track (Red Velvet, BLACKPINK, ITZY)
5:08 Vocal imperfections and slip-ups; they're normal! (ITZY, Red Velvet, Dreamcatcher, Twice)
6:40 Facial expressions... they're normal too! (Aespa)
7:36 Stamina; humans have limits!
8:25 Test yourself! Live or lipsync?
8:37 BLACKPINK (Jisoo)
8:51 ITZY (Ryujin)
8:59 Red Velvet
9:20 Everglow
9:35 EXO
9:50 BLACKPINK (Rosé)
10:01 Twice (Nayeon)
10:08 Irene & Seulgi
10:17 (G)-IDLE - Krátké a kreslené filmy
1. (Queen) Jisoo is singing live.
2. This is one of those few times when Itzy used a pre-recorded track.
3. This part is lipped, but the rest was sung live, along with some backtrack.
4. Yep, this is live and GOOD.
5. Lipped
6. Live + some backtrack
7. Live!
8. Lipped
9. So live!
10. Also live! also God, I LOVE HER
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wait wait wait can you explain this. Part"bberrr.... RAMBO.. that's LS' voice, but there LS and the other members are not in a singing position..so what do you think this lipsync or microphone error
and this is the debut stage right?🤦🏻♂️
This video not edited,I just cut from original video
Please review aespa’s Coachella performance through fancams, I want to see what you think about their live singing. So many people discrediting them for being shaky but they never took any breaks for 4 songs (like a 5 second water break) and ningning and winter were hitting every high note 😭😭
talk about live maybe you need to see king TAEYEON
i got all of them right!! :)
i got them all i
right too 😅
The Lady Gaga / Beyonce method is a big sign the vocals are live. When the choreography is timed to the lyrics rather than the rhythm there's a good sign the choreo was designed with singing in mind (and it massively improves the performance) hence why they are the gold standard. I noticed KPOP artists focus almost entirely on Choreo and anthemic choruses and could benefit from better planning.
YES AGREED!
@@jimmycrim9020 Beyoncé and Gaga can out dance 💃🏽 and out sing 🎤 pretty much any K-POP group lipped or not.. so what exactly is your point?
If you’re gonna troll at least make a coherent point.. because literally no one here said Gaga and Beyoncé haven’t lipped their vocals.. the point is their they’ve proven their vocal and physical stamina and have a good method.
@@jimmycrim9020 You’re a joke. You should have never commented cuz you really out here embarrassing yourself😬
@@jimmycrim9020 Bruh who hurt you?
I love how you said that American Artists will always be below K-Pop group whereas K-Pop groups try to enter the American Charts where it’s fully dominated by American artists. And just so you know, when you add all the album sales of the girl groups here in this video, Lady Gaga’s + Beyoncé’s album sales would still be higher 🤦🏽♂️
I’m a K-Pop fan as you can see from my profile but I’m not delusional and I don’t patronize the genre itself 💀
@@Justin_isslpnglook I have said I don't care for those who are Satanist. Who worships the devil and are a sellout!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So you can worship those people and plus they have been around alot longer too ( duh they sold more records ). You want ever hear there music coming from me because they suck ( not my opinion just plain facts.)
That Seulgi appreciation cause yeah, she is amazing.
My loml
Another Seulgi’s fan signing in ❤
Seulgi fan here 2
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She is a queen!
Can we just appreciate how Itzys mic is ALWAYS on and they have some of the most intense choreo in all of K-pop and they are so amazingly trained to be so stable?!?!?!?
AESPA still sang better...
@@mp-fx8nt no hate to them, I like aepsa as well but I’m not even comparing them I’m just appreciating itzy don’t be a fucking dumbass ok?
@@mp-fx8nt this prrson is not talking about Aespa
Hard choreo and mic always on are two of many things that I appreciate Itzy and Dreamcatcher for
@@mp-fx8nt plsss stop people are hating on Aespa so much already we don’t want more unwanted drama
YG is pretty smart on making music for Black Pink in the way they can utilize both live singing and dancing. One trick they usually do is to: instrumental choruses. They don't usually sing a lot in the choruses and choruses r parts where their choreographies r harder. During verses, when they actually sing way more, the choreography became slower and less exhausting.
On the contrary, JYP is the dumbest company in this case. They literally milk Twice like dead cows. These girls literally jumps and dance from beginning to the end while their songs r effing challenging to sing.
i totally agree
Now Belift is also doing the same with Enhypen where they literally jump crazily while singing in drunk-dazed. Jungwon still tried to sing when doing it. Its impossible to sing with that intense choreo. 4th gen except Itzy who manage somehow, have crazy choreo that makes it impossible to sing live.
Meanwhile nmixx has 1 designated belter, 2 sub vocalists, and 5 dancers that talk/shout/rap. They all have amazing stamina though
Another is BLACKPINK choreography isn’t that hardcore unlike others, this maintain stability for BLACKPINK to be able to perform live without running out of breath, they can manage to dance and sing live
It actually isn't JYPE's fault (although they might be at fault at some point) because Division 3 is the one handling them and giving them these songs and dances.
itzy might not be the best vocalists out there but one thing for sure is they will sing LIVE!
Oh yes!
They're actually great vocalists they just have songs that don't fit their vocal range, even tho they have good songs. You should look for covers instead.
they are way way better than their senior.
@@LemonRose59 I think we should define vocalists, normally these are the ones who have a good technique, and at least in Itzy only Lia is able to have support and in an inconsistent way.
However, they must be given recognition that they have very good stamina and are stable
I'm a blink❤ya itzy is good
People already mentioned the Beyonce/Gaga method of lyrical choreography, so I just wanted to mention that singing is an incredibly physical activity. Proper support that creates the most optimal sound - and thus is the healthiest - requires engagement from muscles throughout the body to take the stress off of the vocal cords. A lot of people don't understand just how important the hips, legs, ribs, as well as the diaphragm are in singing.
That's why it frustrates me when I see people criticise singers who don't do crazy choreography when they're singing difficult phrases. I'm seeing this criticism directed towards Hyolyn on Queendom 2 a lot. "She just stands when she sings her high notes" but this standing position, with grounded legs, and upright posture, is the best way to sing difficult passages. I wish people understood this more.
Choreography is fun, but don't expect to get good, complex vocal phrases whilst doing high kicks in the air. It'll naturally disrupt the airflow, weaken the support, and produce an unstable, unhealthy sound. If people understood this they'd be less defensive about accepting that many groups lip sync in order to convey their complicated choreography.
THANK YOU FOR THIS!
SPILLED!!!!! 👏
Who’s the absolute idiot that criticize Hyolyn from all idols?!
I cant believe someone would dare to criticize Hyolyn's performance skills
couldn't agree mooore!!!!
Seulgi basically carrying the tittle ACE effortlessly 💅🏻
She's an all rounder but not an ace.
@@Joonpathyshe is an ace too.
@@Joonpathyall rounder is higher than ace. ace is when you have at least 2 that you're great at, while all rounder is when you are great at singing, dancing, rapping, and stage presence. The perfect example of an all rounder is Hyolyn from Sistar.
No matter what they say, RV and EXO always amazes me whenever they sing live. They are sooooo good at. It just sucks that RV never sang live for their Feel My Rhythm promotion-it's an SM thing. 🙃 It's so weird that even SHINEE, Taeyeon, and NCT barely sang live these last two years even though we are all well aware that they can.
Also, RV I&R will remain the most iconic live performance the kpop industry has to offer.
my guess is that it's covid. shinee were mostly live until 2021, and aespa debuted right in the middle of it. but onew's stages these last 2 weeks have all been live (and great!) despite the choreo, so either things are finally changing or he just pushed really hard for it lol
I think Suho who recently released an album also sang is solo songs Grey suit and Hurdle live. Hopefully, this will continue with other artists from SM who are yet to make a comeback.
@@a_simple_human_ Suho's Hurdle is one of the beautiful exceptions this year. He ate that performance.
@@lapeace_8362 yes, he did amazing. I wish more and more people listen to his songs.
Key, Minho and onew literally sang live. Please don’t mention shinee.
I love the fact that Mamamoo focuses more on vocals rather than choreo( although some ppl use that against them).They are literally known for their live vocal performance! They are true vocal queens! Love them ❤🫶
It's funny that people say they are not good dancers while somehow no one says that about Blackpink who dance WORSE while also singing much worse. I'd take Mamamoo's "bad" dancing over Blackpink's average any day. Somehow BP are not considered a group that doesn't focus on dancing but they almost never give their 100% (they usually give like 40). So it is strange to read that Mamamoo are not dance-focuced (while this is true) when they perform better than BP (who supposedly are focused on dance).
When it comes to live performances and stage presence I go to Mamamoo, Dream Catcher and Itzy. I know most of the time to expect to hear their actual vocals with maybe some backing vocals. But in talking about Mamamoo and their "easy" choreography, they started off as purely a vocal performance group and kinda lost that aspect to be more dance focused (HIP and Dinga Dinga). But With AYA we saw them coming back to their roots of showing off their vocals (Solar and Wheein) while also having medium leveled choreography. People downplay Mamamoo for their choreography but as a GROUP, they are THE top currently and are respected for it. Whereas Dream Catcher has powerful choreography and also powerful vocals, they truly are a gem among other Kpop acts.
I completely agree and will always go to war for Mamamoo and their talent. They get slept on but they’re so good live. HIP’s choreography is more intense and yet they still sing live beautifully!
mamamoo is in another level .. for me they are the best group
Yes! I love Mamamoo so much. I also think “Where Are We Now” was them bringing us back to their roots of just pure raw vocals and emotion.
@@cee4967 It's so hard for me to listen to this song without crying, especially after watching their documentary. I love our girls so much.😢😢😢
@@lovelyabbyparcarey9604 Definitely agree, as a group no one is touching them vocally.
Wendy, she's always singing live. Wendy. Her voice is heavenly.
Not anymore, sadly. SM artists, including Wendy, haven't sung live for months now in Korea.
@@thespankmyfrank They literally sang In My Dreams live just last month though and Red Velvet nailed it effortlessly.
Also, Wendy sings a lot live on her radio show and Instagram Live. Her vocals are everything and thensome.
I always find it strange Wendy isn't showcased as the Main Vocal and most stable vocalist in her group 🤷♀️🤷♀️🤷♀️
@@eyebrowstj but when it comes to dancing sadly sm decided to make their artists, including rv to lipped.
@@eyebrowstj isn't it? I'll always mention her when someone forgets, so people can go out there and listen to her. She's earned her spot as a main vocalist and solo artist. However, when someone purposely ignores her, then it's no longer my problem.
I did show choir for six years, but I could never imagine singing and dancing for a whole concert. You do have people who could cover up your voice, but singing and dancing while in a girl/guy group or even as a solo career seems so difficult. I appreciate anyone who can sing and dance at the same time as it takes a ton of stamina and hard work! :)
Especially taking into account that some concerts are 3-4 hours and that's without openers nor guest performers. Hence why sub-units are so important as they provide other members resting time. I don't know how IU gives 4+ hour long concerts (here in Korea) while live sing. Even with less choreo. Mamamoo concerts are around 3+ hours but at least they have 4 members to divide up the concert with members doing solo songs or solo covers.
8:25 ...I felt that. The absence of Wendy, having to cover her parts, AND pull off killer choreography...Seulgi did so well. and I FELT that in the little shakiness at the end there, and weirdly enough, I teared up a bit? K-pop idols try so hard and all we do is bring them down for things that are NORMAL (e.g. not being entirely stable live, or choosing not to sing during harder parts, etc.) :( Every K-pop idol should be so proud of themselves.
This make me miss old smtown and older snsd concerts even more specially when they perform songs that originally doesnt have mv and choreo so they would just run around the whole stage space, just whole concert vibes and you're overwhelmed with the vocals while having so much fun its like an encore but more carefree and fun 😭 Like that one time they covered Twinkle as a group and they were just in their natural dorky messy all-over-the-place environment 😭
We miss snsd so bad huh 😭😭😭
It's disappointing how noone is talking about Dreamcatcher when they are literally the only GG who has so hard choreos and always deliver hard live and stable vocals too
EXACTLY like i saw this video title and immediately thought about them
Literally never heard a pre record DC stage. QUEENS
and the fact they've been doing it since their debut... I really hope people would include dc whenever they talk about live singing too :(((
Not the only one but damn you are right
@@ikaru5089 I mean there are many GGs with hard choreos (now, almost all 4th gen GGs, in 3rd gen it was only Gfriend and DC). And there are also many who deliver amazing live vocals (Mamamoo and Red Velvet for hard vocals, Blackpink for easy but stable live vocals). But there isn't a single one who has a combination of everything, hard choreos, hard vocals that are also stable and live. Most fandoms would say about a group that 'they didn't sing live because the choreo is hard'. This has been the case with every group with hard choreos and hard vocals except DC. There are groups like Itzy who has hard choreos and sing live too but aren't vocal heavy at all. Then we have Aespa who like...never sings live and Coachella was proof that they aren't stable at that (not blaming or anything, just stating things like they are. SM's fault for not training them properly for live and always making them lip sync).
Those Blackpink, Red Velvet, and Itzy clips sound awfully good. I'm so proud❤️
itzy gives me faith in the future of kpop tbh. i will always prefer an imperfect LIVE performance over fake perfection any day. itzy usually has their mics on AND loud enough to be heard over/in conjunction with the backtrack. hopefully more companies and groups will follow itzy’s lead with performances as the 4th gen continues
Agreee
Y’all dreamcatcher has been singing live for the most part in this comback with Masion. Stan them.
This right here‼️
yass since debut
Why would I Stan a group just because they sing live?
@@brigidalozie4234 they meant it as a part of a saying, not literally.
~~But yes Stan DC~~
@@brigidalozie4234 if you watch videos of them (old and recent vlives and variety shows) you’ll stan them because of how they show their true personalities and other more things
Seulgi doesn't get enough appreciation. In Wendy's absence back in 2019 Seulgi handled the psycho live performance like a champ, singing Wendy's part too. Literal Queen!!!!!
@lia_berry 🍓 I'm talking about the award show where they performed without Wendy and seulgi sang Wendy's prechorus part effortlessly
@lia_berry 🍓 no. That's live singing
Seulgi does get appreciation tho 🤷♀️🤷♀️🤷♀️
@@eyebrowstj more for dancing but lately she's been getting more appreciation for her vocals, AND SHE NEEDS MORE CAUSE SHE DESERVES IT
@@juno1765
Seulgi has always gotten appreciation for her vocals and dancing. I mean, she is Seulgi after all 💛💛💛
Wow Seulgi really is something huh🤧🤌🧡🧸
I prefer to hear out of breath live singing while dancing than playback. All day, every day. I‘m very certain all the kpop stars can sing, sometimes it’s their labels/management that decide they have to lipsync.
Rain and JYP's performances of "Switch to Me" were live and they sounded great. It can be done but a lot of Kpop labels don't seem to have faith in their own artists.
"faith". the reason many stick to using a pre recorded track or sometimes the original studio recording isn't because they don't believe in their idols. but because it's just an easier way at making everything seem perfect so that everyone can be paid. specifically, idols are often asked to do the impossible so lipping is a form of health and safety. sometimes what matters is how a performance can be edited together which means live vocals can be an issue. and companys aren't necessarily preparing idols well enough to be able to consistently carry out these things, nor are alot of idols interested in finding coaches themselves. kpop is focused on performance and visuals, catchy music. it asks for alot of showy, so it cannot always be authentic. music shows are filmed multiple times aswell, you want an idols to go full out for multiple takes and then carry on the rest of their schedule? they'd get sick and then they'd have to take a break and that loses everyone money. there needs to be some kind of balance. we have similar issues here in the west but the pressure may not be as bad as the industry is bigger here which makes for more room in everything. artists in the west also aren't asked to comeback several times a year either, many kpop groups have several album releases that are all fully promoted and since kpop is from korea they just fly out to promote in the west and learn the language etc. american artists don't have to go anywhere unless they're touring or you now whatever circumstance. pocs will always have to work harder. both male and female idols have to be more or less equal. while that's not how america views performers. female artists have to be the best while male artists can do whatever. this is a rant k bye
@@littlelou050 well, yes, but “they dont beleive idols” is a wrong card. Yes, not all idols are capable of singing live especially while dancing but idols from SM are capable of it. But they never let them sing live. Not even once. Look at taeyeon. She doesnt sing live once while promoting her new songs nowadays. She has great techniques to sing live and so the main vocalists and lead vocalists of SM ggs.
While groups like red velvet and aespa can sing live with great techniques, which will not affect their vocal health, SM doesnt seem to let them do it. Im not asking for so much. At least just once in a comeback? If u ask me who should be singing live, groups like them with great techniques should be singing live. Not with bad ones, which are gonna affect their vocal health, but those with bad techniques are supposedly singing.
Bi and Park Jin-young are old ass legends. 1st gen.
Yea, and many of those kpop fans commented they performed really bad lol while they faves rarely even sing live
I'm surprised you didn't includ STAYC, they are a group which sings live quite often since their company encourages them to do so. There are performances where you can hear little to no backtracks (espescially in their Stereotype era), and I think it would fit nicely in videos like this. If youplan on doing another video like this (PLEASE OMG I LOVE YOUR VIDEOS) please consider including them!!! thansk a bunch.
isa's clear exhaustion when the bridge comes makes me appreciate them more! also yoon's adlib during the last chorus is sooo good!!
There's that so bad performance they did last year, it has no backing track at all and you can hear they're clearly live. They sound so much better and more confident than when they did at debut.
Yeaah i agree they are so good
Dreamcatcher!! They are live vocal Queens. It's amaizing how they sing un Live while dancing those hard Choreos, mostly in this MAISON era
I'll talk about my girls
Mamamoo: Their choreography may not be that complicated but it's ok since they don't have to do that to impress me. Just their powerful voices is enough❤️
Blackpink: They may not be able to hit crazy high notes like some groups but they're are so stable when they sing live. Blackpink always makes sure that their mics are on🔥💯
I feel like HIP was more intense when it comes to their choreography and even then they were able to sing live beautifully. Regardless tho, you’re right, their voices are so powerful!
jisoo is one of the most stable female idols ive seen. Maybe cause of her deep husky voice but idk.
@@foosheezoo HIP MR Removed at yoo hyeols sketchbook is also very stable, and there is solar belting while doing pole dance. And remember their immortal song medley at their concert, 15 minutes of flexing vocals even though they've been peroforming for hours..
They recently done harder coreography for their solo projects, wheein even practice her 'watercolor' while jumping, and the live vocal is also very stable (I've listened the mr removed too)
Thank you. Iam so tired of hearing and readingthat idols dont have intense choreos are not dancers. These two groups are an example of good dancing and live singing.
@@ess5601 Yes! And that's called "balance" Example: Stayc,Ive,Aespa is the the most balanced groups of 4th gen imo.
I believe red velvet is a good example of dancing and singing at the same time.. even though their choreographies are not THAT difficult, it is usual for their choreography to have many jumps and runs/changes of formations which can tire the artist and even when they sing live they always manage to deliver a good vocal (with imperfections of course) but still great vocals. I know they don't usually sing live ALL the time but that doesn't discredit their determination when they do!
ITZY sounds pretty good live and I don't know why people love to take shots at them all the time. One factor in how good a group sounds live is number of members and it's something that cannot be ignored. ITZY has 5 members and 6 is really the smallest number of members you want if you want even mildly impressive choreography while maintaining vocal stability. 7 is really the golden number and many of the top groups have 7 members. 7 members means you can create beautiful pictures with just the group AND do all kinds of vocal soundscapes that a smaller and/or less skilled group will struggle with.
Dreamcatcher is without a doubt the best 3rd gen girl group in terms of vocal performance while dancing at a high intensity and the fact that there 7 members is big factor. They've been doing this for 5 years(Handong & Gahyeon) and 8 years(JiU, SuA, Siyeon, Yoohyeon, and Dami) and their choreographer incorporates moments for the vocalists to go off that will aid in stability. Siyeon, the main vocalist, has many moments of standing off to the side for a belt or high note and no one ever tries to say she's a bad dancer because of that. In their most recent comeback, Maison, the bridge requires the members to drop to the floor...but JiU, who sings it, kneels instead of being almost prone like the other members. It looks amazing and JiU is able to sing clearly and without strain. I would also like to shout out SuA's, the main dancer, amazing vocal stability because she can be in almost any position and sound like she's standing still. Dreamcatcher also has a more fair line distribution and a better distribution of killing moments in the choreo because there are 7 members. You have to balance what members are going to do vocally with the demands of the choreo and it gets messy with smaller groups.
I love to read this! I am both a Midzy and an Insomnia😭🥺
This. ♡
Shocked there wasnt more Dreamcatcher on Live vocals. With all the arrangement they do to their songs, their concerts with live band, their intense choreography. I mean just the whole two Day of Crossroads concert in which they rearranged like 20 of their songs for Live band acoustic purposes. Their ability to cover any genre of song and to sing on spot without echo ir backing track. In particular Siyeon and Yoohyeon although all of them are really talented.
Dreamcatcher really out there destroying live singing! Check them out
Any then there’s Dreamcatcher with consistent live vocals and very hard choreography.
Wheein once said that they made the choreography to HIP more intense due to the fact that people said they only sang good live bc their choreography was simple. Which I agree to an extend, their choreography wasn’t as hard as other group but it certainly wasn’t anything easy prior to HIP. I strongly believe they sing wonderfully live no matter what. People just down play them bc they’re not part of the big 3, so happy to be a moomoo and to see Mamamoo make their own standards when it comes to both music and beauty 🥹💚💜💛🖤
They made the choreo for HIP hard, but they simplified the vocals too. And the backtracks are loud. HIP is not my fav era of them especially live coz i hate how the backtracks are so loud and it didnt showcase their vocals as per usual..
I agree, it honestly doesn't matter if they have hard or not hard choreo, we all know that they can sing incredibly stable & actually are capable of singing live & sound great while doing so.
Not on the list
but if u wanna see how live singing plus hard choreo Dreamcatcher always deliver that in every music show performance or go to It's live youtube you're going to hear Dreamcatcher singing and taking breath
There is a Brazilian singer that dances very energetic choreo and sings live. She said in an interview that she practices her voice while jumping rope.
The aespa's performance in coachella was the first time I heard them singing live on a stage. All the music shows were clearly not live. And they did an amazing job. Sm should let them sing live.
I heard Chen singing Live before concert start. They hold the concert in small football field. I expected only shaky and something weird voice crack since they are dancing. But that Chen is just insane. I am close with organiser so I was near stage helping for make up. I was shocked and reached out to one of sound engineer ( I think he is just assistant) . I asked "will they just lip-sync? I feel like Chanyeol is not feeling well it will hard to sing live since they come from cold temperature and ours is so hot as hell " I was jaw dropped when he reply me one word " mics are on " I was like "What? " . I feel like there is no way that voice is Live. I didn't believe it but I heard Chen's loud exhale so have to accept the fact (?Idk what's call) . May be he ate CDs. I really didn't notice him before that time as much as he deserves.
He is good husband, good Father and good singer. It's been 6 or 7 years old story but first time me saying it in public. I hate that his fans will come to me for more info or details. I don't like it. I don't want attention or something.
People discredit blackpink so much but they’re literally live queens, I don’t care how many high notes your main vocal does in a song if blackpink rapline kept singing more often than them even if they don’t even release music💀
wait you gotta point 😳
Your rapline can’t even support a note properly + L + winter out sings your whole group + rose is sour like lemon
@@loveyall1910 i agree but don’t bring up aespa. bp are weak vocalists live singing or not, you don’t need aespa to point out the obvious you dumb fuck.
stop setting them up and ningning is by far the better vocalist not winter
The sign they sing live is they will set appart they microphone when reaching highnotes.
I watched an idol literally eat the mic meanwhile reaching highnotes and people tought its live :"
there’s this new group called nmixx (under the same company as twice & itzy) who have been performing live with very hard choreo. honestly they really shocked me
This makes me respect KPOP performers more than ever. I always said if I wanted to be a musician/pop star I would want to study more on Broadway performers on how to sing and dance live but I do know singing in musical theatre is different than singing in popular/pop music genres in terms of technique
If you did western artist as examples of this I would say tinashe, Beyoncé, Bruno mars etc are good examples
yeah, like I can sing but I wouldn't be able to handle trolls, netizens and everything else that Kpop idols and pop/r&b artist go thru 😅
Thats why i like being a kpopers cuz they kpop artist way to different from another genre in music industry, they have to dancing while singing well thats crazy
Even in musical theatre sometimes they have tracks sometimes, for complicated dance numbers that also need a stable vocal, a high note that people always want to see(Christine’s high note in the song phantom of the opera is a recording), they might not have many people on stage and therefore want more sound to add to the voices, or they might have a recording for a scream since it’s damaging to scream every night :D always better to be safe with singing than sorry!
Their choreos aren't as intense. The choreo is also designed around the vocals. This is why the few western artists that dance may actually sound better live. They are not constantly dancing like kpop stars
@@chrisc1184 well those are all solo artist though. Even the solo artist don’t do intense choreography in kpop unless they plan on lip synching. If you look at groups like TLC, Girlicious, or G.R.L, they had full choreography because they are able to split the lines between other people. It’s a bit unfair to compare the solo artist to members with 4-12 members who they can toss verses in between.
I love the fact that Blackpink is always honest with the parts they sing and the part they let the backtrack sing, we can clearly hear the difference and they don't try to fool us, I love that, cause it's not bad to let the track do some service because of the choreo, but the bad thing is to try to fool the audience. And I think that's the whole reason why Blackpink have THE stage presence and charisma, cause they respect the audience and they really feel what they're singing (they also don't take the choreo too serious, they often use the choreo to play with members and change some parts to interact more)
These videos of “singing while dancing” always remind me of Shinee. Also, autotune, pre-recorded vocals and one or two member singing live and the other don’t are others possibilities
i think snsd especially during "into the new world" is one of the perfect example of good live vocal + hard choreo
What’s even more impressive about some of the girl groups you mentioned like black pink, red velvet and itzy is that they only have 4-5 members meaning that each member has a much larger chunk of singing to do than in groups with 7-11 members. You can see that the groups with more members usually distribute the lines so that each member gets a ‘break’ in between lines to focus on just the dance and vice versa (unless they have unequal line distribution and rely too heavily on one or two members).
It really makes me respect people like Jongho from ATEEZ who will always deliver an amazing live performance belting over the backing track despite extremely intense and difficult choreography. However, to do this you can tell that he generally doesn’t dance as hard as the other members so that he can focus all of his energy on singing. While there is no doubt that he is an amazing dancer, his vocals are out of this world and add so much more to their live performances - it doesn’t matter so much anyway when all of the other members are such good dancers that they draw the visual attention while Jongho draws the auditory attention.
Dreamcatcher's "Maison" is an example of choreography interfering with vocal strength during a live performance. Belting specifically refers to opera singers using a training belt to learn how to sing and breathe properly; Otherwise, belting is shouting, thus bad singing.
Dreamcatcher the live vocal queens
6:22 That part is one of my fav lines from Wendy, and after hearing this I can say I liked Seulgi's version equally as their main vocalist, such an ace.
And this isn’t even mentioning Pre-recorded vocals under backing tracks just for the MR removed vids. Companies are getting more advanced by the day instead of just training their idols vocals better 😭
Yeah, that's crazy! Like, wouldn't it be easier to just sing live?! lol
Live singing is when you can hear their breath and movement. Delulus try to pass pre-recorded singing as their group having stable singing because they're experienced 🙃
i love all of the red velvet appreciation in this video (especially seulgi!!)-our vocal queens. so proud of how seulgi covered for most of wendy's parts when she was on hiatus. also, seulgi in that one monster performance was actually insane!!
really quite impressed with blackpink as well! I don't rly stan them, but they are pretty stable live.
also, dreamcatcher are one of the groups that first came to mind when discussing live vocals. like it's more rare to find them NOT singing live! i think they're one of the strongest live performers. boca and odd eye are absolutely insane songs/choreos and they pull it off!! claps to them.
We know it's hard singing while dancing but aren't they learning these things for years?
And? Singing is using your voice and dancing/movement affects your voice projection
It doesn't matter how much they practice, it is a fact that moving while singing affects the way you project your voice
Practice only means they build stamina so they don't run out of breath too fast and learn how to shortcut choreography so their voice isn't affected too much
I honestly prefer Vocals over choreo, since I'm going to be listening to the song not the dance(but that's on preference).
please do a video on aespa's coachella performance
I feel like it's the first time they were actually allowed to sing live in front of a crowd, and their vocals were incredible
I've also never seen them with so much stage presence
meanwhile DREAMCATCHER having hard choreo and sings live to every stage for their promotion 👁️🕳️👁️
Mamamoo and Blackpink. Their choreo might be easy but at least they are quiet catchy so fans can follow them.
people used to say that Mamamoo could only sing live bc their choreography wasn’t hard…Isn’t that the point? If you can’t sing while doing your choreography then what’s the point of the choreography. It’s supposed to enhance the performance, not making performing it impossible 😅
I don’t think companies so prioritize hard choreo over the performance, we are seeing this with 4th Gen. Some can do it and some can’t their companies should find things that fit their group and their abilities s
Also I noticed if some idols don’t go all out on the choreography then people will call them lazy or say they can’t dance 😒
Dreamcatcher always surprises me because their choreo is a lot but they sure do sing live sooo well. Every single one of them. I love them 🤌🏾
dreamcatcher defies all rules by singing stable live vocals with extremely difficult choreo at the same time and having amazing stage presence at the same time
8:38 This is what I think though I'm not 100% sure.
1. BlackPink - Live Singing
2. Itzy - Not Live Singing
3. Red Velvet - Not Live Singing
4. Red Velvet - Live Singing
5. Everglow - Not Live Singing
6. EXO - Live Singing
7. BlackPink - Not Sure ??
8. Twice - Not Live Singing
9. Red Velvet (Irene & Seulgi) - Live Singing
10. G-idle - Live Singing
I’m totally agree with you! I think for 7 it’s live singing but I’m not sure
wait how was itzy not live singing can u explain i’m genuinely confused
@@marigold4135 I mean just look at Yuna…
@@marigold4135 ryujin jumped off the stairs "while singing", a task that requires a lot of your body and would impact her sound when she lands, and her voice didnt even shake. it was pre-recorded.
Rose defo sang that live - You can hear how the ending 'GEEE' note is much louder than if it were lip sync
Thank you for making this video, a lot of Kpop stans don't know how live vocals sound like, we must have realistic expectations and remember idols are human
And we should appreciate more performances where idols find a great balance between giving a good dance performance and a stable vocal delivery
the way I nailed the live test because years of listening to Dreamcatcher live stages trained me to spot live vocals
You should have put Michael Jackson in this video! He's a great example. As he got older he started lip synching cause singing and dancing at the same time requires a lot of stamina and obviously as he got older it got harder for him especially with how heavily choreographed his dances were. He also mainly lip synced in his last tour, HIStory, because he did the entire tour with laryngitis.
And he had several serious injuries.
and he was alone instead of taking turn singing with other members
i miss mj so much
When he was in the Jackson 5 as a teenager and a solo artist in his earlier years. He was unstoppable. His energy and dancing was insane, especially his Don’t Stop Til You Get Enough dancing in this one video I saw, wow! His Motown 25 with his brothers was so nice. Love it.
@@erikasilviamastermindinbio8408 In his American football superbowl performance he stood still doing nothing for like over a minute and the crowd was hype as fu*k
OMG I am so grateful still able to hear the prime era of SM Vocal with EXO and RV that carried the KPOP industry on their back. IDK what happen right now but I hope we can go back to that era
I didn't know that Seulgi was so good at singing. I only kind of remember her as a lead or main dancer. She is so good at singing.
An introduction to the ACE of Kpop, SM secret weapon and the idol of idols KANG SEULGI.
She is the main dancer of the group Red Velvet and the lead vocal of the group. She entered SM for being a main vocal but she faced a lump and quit main vocal and started learning dancing. She trained for 7 years in SM was part of SM rookie. She was the first member to be introduced in Red Velvet. Overall she is a small cute package filled with talent , kindness , good looks , and also a very charismatic artist in kpop.
4:02 out of topic, but Yeji and Ryujin playing rock paper scissors is adorable
Seulgi is a queen yall
Aespa choreo seemed easy but its not(except next level) in Savage the chorus part, your lower body area needs full control and the fact that theyre doing it while singing live is commendable. Black Mamba is also energy consuming aswell yet the girls remain stable and sounded good.
Aespa dances might less be challenging but what makes their songs hard to perform is the multiple sustaining of notes, their songs are vocal suicides and the fact that 2ning and Winter despite flatness and cracks they still able to hit it right. And that is why Kudos to them! Also they outdid themselves in Coachella!
Singing live?
@@stelmaria2210 i guess I don't understand your comment very well can you explain a little bit 1
Yeah at Coachella they shows their vocal perfectly. On the other hand you can see their performance on CZcams not all but a lot of their performance are lipsync and many people think so. You can see the different about their performance at Coachella and other music show
They sang live at Coachella. The others are lipsync. Dont know why SM does this
I love the Seulgi praise 🥰
The reason why I really love BLACKPINK, RED VELVET and ITZY is because we know that their mics are always ON
For the 4th one, i remember that time how reveluvs were so happy just because of how Wendy was seen just enjoying that performance. 😊
Oh I loved how you explained everything and considering that they are humans! Some people sometimes forget that and expect them to sound the exact same as the studio version, I just love to watch my favorite artists live (kpop and non) cause we feel more close with them, I love to see the small changes that they do on live performances and how they express themselves 💕 thank you for the video!
Thank you for watching and for your lovely comment!
watching them sing while dancing is honestly much much more impressive than when they just dance perfectly while only lipsinging.
My guesses
1. BP - live
2. Itzy - not live
3. RV - not live
4. RV - live
5. Everglow - not live
6. EXO - live
7. BP - live
8. Twice - not live
9. Irene & Seulgi - live
10. G-idle - live
Correct!
@@aintnootherfan omg thankyou ^^
no need to mention mamamoo coz they are always live 😊
@@lovelyabbyparcarey9604 very true. Sometimes I’ll randomly watch a performance and it’s literally always live w/out fail lmao
EXO ARE LIVE VOCAL KINGS!!!❣️Their powerful vocals never fail to amaze me!♥️
dreamcatcher my beloved, always challenging themselves with their complex choreo and vocals, also with amazing stage presence and songs
it's nice cuz all the clips of Seulgi sounded great 🥰😄
Please do a video analyzing aespa's live performance in Coachella, the fancams to be specific.nice vid btw
yess
I'm blink. I think their live vocals good during coachella. But company used auto tune for fan cam 🙄. And they added lot of hard part for song, really can any dance body hit that notes.
What did you think about aespa's coachella performance? Imo Winter and Ningning slayed, also I was surprised by Karina's vocals as a main dancer/sub vocalist (Giselle didn't sing much but that's because she gets all the rap parts).
I love how all of the aespa members are such talented singers
Yaashh, tbh i like Karina's voice when she perform at Coachella than the mv version, why SM change her heavenly voice. Also for me Giselle is amazingly gorgeous
that's when the time they prove they could sing. Their voices was so cleat especially ningning and winter. They didn't even try hard. Since sm can't give the people in the coachella backtracks because every artists there sings live. I'm happy they prove for once they could sing. Very proud of them. Ningnings confidence tho over the top🥺💓
Do make a review or reaction of Aespa's Coachella performance! The LIVE VOCALS WE'VE BEEN WAITING FORRR! (Choose fancam version as their live vocals can be heard more clearly n are not overshadowed by backtrack like in the official Coachella performance video)
They are FULL of inacuracies, as you would expect, and still I enjoyed it so much.
They did so well!!! Flatness and a little shakyness is fine since they're dancing
@@blas_de_lezo7375 Ningning earpiece dropped during the performance so some parts can lil bit shakey but her confidence and technique pull it through, Winter are pretty much very stable almost like CD, Giselle and Karina did well too, its their 1st offline concert and as 1 year old rookie without experience of performing live but they already had great command on stage hyping the stage and doing adlibs.
@@PrinceInShadow i think ningning is doing well she maintains stamina i know there are loose notes but it doesn't matter because ningning cares about stage acts and winter she saves a little energy by not dancing too much so that her voice is stable to hit high notes what else with her small body
After watching aespa Coachella. I can say that aespa got everything. Amazing live vocals, stage presence, amazing raps, energetic dance/choreo and aenergy of the performance. First time perform in front of huge crowd but they did great. Stan talent, stan aespa
💙🌙⭐🦋
They are outstanding for sure 😌
Absolutely yes
Karina's ad-lib and winter's voice pure heaven, like winter can be a main vocalist and karina can be a lead vocalist, Ningning is talent herself, her strong vocals don't even surprise me anymore.
Yeah, Now people already know that they're all amazing. Vocal, dance, rapp, everything is perfect. Ihope they always do live singing in the future
Yeah its a chame sm did not let them sing live until Coachella. Idk who makes that decision in musoc shows but o really hope we can ear more aespa live, thry sound amazing in the Coachella fancams. Also love itzy and dreamcatcher and stayc aswell for their live sing and dance, even thow in the last stayc comeback there was alot of pre recorded vocals, dont know what happen there. And blackpink is my fav group , but live.vocals are more in their concerts and covers. In musis shows since their popularity jump after dududu its mostly loud backing track. Their old preformances in muaic shows were much better in terms of lives vocals. Cant blame them thow, the entire scene is always ready to hate them now becouse of how big they are. Even aespa is gatting a lit of that aswell
i was hoping this would include aespa’s coachella performance clips 😩
I know sm idols don’t sing live much these days and it’s sad, but I don’t blame Taemin for one on music shows given the difficulty of his choreo. Also we know from concerts that he CAN sing.
And that’s I appreciate Mamamoo so much
One of my favorite examples is red velvets live performance of Hit That Drum. Wendy has a very long belt in the bridge and in the studio version she pulls it off with ease (its very much in her range) but in the live version, you can hear her take a very large breath in between the note since they had been singing and performing several of their songs in a row and they were likely out of breath. THAT is what performing live sounds like. THAT is a well trained professional K-Pop idol vocalist.
THIS!!!!! 🙌👏
Crazy how kpop has changed over the years, back in the day idols used to be dragged for lip syncing and even when you sang live, if you were weak the backlash would be even worse. But now lipsyncing is basically the norm lol
Jihyo and Dreamcatcher are crazyyyyyy. with the type of choreo those groups are performing. special mention to Seulbear
I literally saw Twice live in February. They sang live almost the entire time. Jihyo absolutely did as you can hear her vocal fatigue towards the end of the concert performances esp during the encores. I saw Dreamcatcher live in 2019 and my god. Their vocals are absolutely insane while slaying the dancing. Also saw Exo live both times they toured state side and they also sang live the entire time as well. Ateez also sings live most of the time as well. During really dance heavy parts they use backtrack for sure but for the most part it’s live, all of Jongho’s high notes are live.
I love that Blackpink are so honest about what’s live and what’s backtrack. I also love artists like StayC who sing live 99.9% of the time as well. I miss the days when SM artists all sang live and had a blast performing, its so weird to see artists like Taeyeon and SHINee lip syncing. But then again its completely unrealistic to expect them to deliver hard choreo that the industry seems to be demanding more and more these days and sing live. But on the reverse side, so many artists do rely so heavily on back track and lip sync that when many idols do sing live they’re criticized for not having perfect vocals. Then again I feel like once idols leave Korea to tour outside their mics are turned on. The rest of the world doesn’t care about perfection like Korea does.
@@heartlessrose speaking of Taeyeon, she absolutely hates it. Did you see the music show or something that GoT had to do? The way she just closed her mouth before her note even ends and her eyes are just over it? Love her so much
@@boringsiot She’s honestly such a queen. The way she was like yeahhhh they’re making me do this, I hate this. It’s honestly a disservice to her and her voice. She doesn’t need to lip sync, she can sing circles around most people.
I love how all of them are girls and then BOOM vocal kings wildly appearing. EXO vocals are no joke.
Also THANK YOU so much for doing this video. A lot of kpop stans are always searching for perfect live performances and ignore important factors like how hard the choreo is, how difficult the singing is, etc. That's why I stan Mamamoo, they always bring great performances, stage presence, live vocals and don't care that much on the choreo just like 2nd gen groups
2nd gen : Simple Choreography, Vocal on point.
4th gen : reverse
for me singing live is not always necessarily needed when promoting mushows because imagine singing live for 3 weeks straight while having othet schedules in between. It can potentially damage their voices. I think id rather want to see them sing live in concerts and festivals than mushows.
It's definitely possible to sing full out and dance full out at the same time and still sound good. Musical theater actors do it all the time. From my own experience, its not dancing that makes singing hard, it's the kind of singing and the kind of dancing. Heavy Bouncing or head movements make your voice wobbly so movements should be more grounded. It's difficult to have long legato lines of singing while dancing so staccato lines work better.
"America" in westside story is a great example of stacco lines that make dancing and singing easier.
I was waiting for your video about Aespa live at Coachella!
I saw the fancams, I have some thoughts
I'll be using the clips of it in future videos, especially since I'm currently working on lead vocal ranking:)
Soyeon always bringing it live, I mad respect her for it… she made the song and be damned if she’s not gonna sing it lol
dreamcatcher getting recognition they deserve 😋
Mamamoo sings live 💚💚💚💚 thankyou for mentioning it . Because so many channels don't mention them
This video needs more views. The amount of times I've watched a live performance where the whole group is lip syncing only to see all the fans in the comments exploding over how great the vocals are may actually drive me insane.
Drives me nuts, lol. "They are so stable". 🥲
Idols belting over the backtrack is so heaven
You can't deny that 😌
Enter Dreamcatcher
On the imperfection note, i noticed that Chowon, the main vocal on Lightsum, during Vanilla promotions, there is a part where she has to keep a high note while dancing on the bridge, and in some stages (for tv and live) you can hear the little jumps she is doing, aldo Nayoung sounds almost out of breath during the song (she improve by vivace comeback hahaa)
I prefer live performance really more, I love it when I hear it, even if It's not so flawless.
during cheography, absolutely in hard moves, you can't sing flawlessly, & if you've noticed when main vocalists are singing, they do the cheography less than others, cause it gets energy to sing.
this is really helpful, i'm looking for references for choreographing to my own tiny live shows.
Dreamcatcher 🤝 itzy
Always Singing live with hard choreography
10:17
Jeon Soyeon Rap In Hwaa Is SOO FKING FIRE THE WAY HER BREATHING IS HITTING THE MIC AND THE PAUSE BEFORE THE FAST RAP MY GOD 🥵
Early squad, this video was so good i started levitating and then singing like my girl Winter at Coachella 😫
Oh, Winter got serious at Coachella!
Lots of companies are getting better and smarter at crafting backing tracks as well, and it’s why a lot of the MR removed videos and fans fall for the backing track thinking that it’s live. Backing tracks now are rarely the studio vocals and that’s what a lot of people think of when they think of lip syncing. Artists re-record raw vocals that are recorded while still (to give them the stable quality) and are edited very little to make it seem like live, more realistic vocal delivery. Sometimes certain parts (especially group choruses) are lowered in volume to make it obvious that part is lip synced (even if the whole song is). Also, a sign of lip synced vocals used to be that idols would be wearing face mics but had no mic pac on their outfit. But too many people saw through that so all idols now go on stage with mic pacs no matter if they are live or not.
I recently saw a group (I can’t remember who it was, sorry) who actually stacked the studio version and another recorded vocal track on top of each other. One track was ever so slightly delayed which mimicked delayed vocal timing which can happen when groups sing live, but the group was actually still lip syncing. It was really fascinating actually. But the tell-tale signs were all still there, which is that facial expressions were flat, consonants like p, t, and s were smooth and not poppy, members hitting high notes turned their face away from the camera (you know the move, with the hand up in the air), and the audio across multiple stages was the exact same.
EXO and RV do well as vocal focused groups and their choreos are catchy too. I love how BTS sing live for almost all their tracks. But I wish that SME would allow Taeyeon to sing live for her solos😔 most of them are pre-recorded now, just like BlackPink.