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I had a team that literally all crouched walked to not make noise and tried to sneak to the 1st point with the train overhead. It failed when I started looking for them, since they were taking so long to push the point, and stumbled upon them all sneaking through a hallway. But we laughed so hard that they actually attempted it and that was the most fun comp game I’ve ever had. They kept, as a team, trying all the weirdest goofiest strategies but I have never played another OW game where a team tried to SNEAK onto point.
Bing soy tier bs ong
what💀
@@pineappleguy676 bing soy strats tf2 aussietopia (link if you want)
I love hiding in small rooms at the start of maps people get so confused if they can't see anyone on your team
Haha they thought they were playing seige
Shortly after sigma came out, i queued for tank at about 3600 sr and it threw me in a gm lobby against KarQ (who iirc was t500 at the time), i think i said something to my team about 'i dont think im supposed to be here' and they were just like 'eh, dont worry about it, you'll do fine.' and we won
I believe karQ updated a video or a clip of that match
@@mikelcito8898 Y'all got a link? I'm interested to watch.
@@sudomeister1911 I wish I had it. For some reason I'm also interested in finding the video lol
@@sudomeister1911 replying so I get the link
@@sudomeister1911 replying for link
TL:DR: "Listen to your Tank, even if he is an idiot. If you have one idiot on the team doing something supid, it is feeding. If you have TWO idiots on the team doing something stupid, it's a strategy." 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
It's actually true haha. You have no idea how many times I have won games by doing something that sounds so dumb it should never work but worked perfectly. Like mei walling ontop of eichenwalde highground and pinning off the wall and knocking ppl of the bridge (I think that worked can't remember exactly but it was a plan once) sounds so pepega but yeah. Or on Dorado when the train (conducteur) rein skin came out I spend the entire game pinning ppl from weird af places and ended up with like 26 pin kills. Pinning from rooftops, hidden corner etc I rarely swung my hammer lol.
Monkeys together strong
What if the tank is the newbie?
@@daytonpannell then you follow him or else he will 100% feed his brain out or won't have enough impact fast enough himself to turn a fight because he won't know how. You do that a couple of times and then you ask him can we please go take highground or rotate via the left side for example. If he says no then you say it will save your cooldowns so then you live longer. We all know we don't want to get 1tappes as a tank. High chance he will do/try to as you ask.
Ripped the quote right from Jayne :)
One of the biggest rules I’ve made for myself is that if I know I’m malding, I mute my mic. I still respond to my teammates and stuff with chat, but I’d rather sit and grumble to myself than piss off my teammates and end up losing
You could just go push to talk….
@@LordNattious its glitchy and not good
@@littledog7711 it’s just when you’re in a menu. That’s the only problem I have had
more people need to do this
Same. I had one instance where I was malding and I said something toxic about our Mercy that I did not intend for her to ever actually hear but my mic was open. Thankfully she was gracious and accepted my explanation and didn’t tilt. So I’m muted now from perpetual guilt.
You make OW Comp sound like prison.
It essentially is voluntary prison 😂
It’s not like prison, you just need to make sure to always watch your back, join a gang, on the first day find the biggest thug in the yard and beat them up… oh, wait
Because it is like prison. Know the rules and how to operate or get absolutely bodied.
More like Room 101. Apex Ranked is the Prison - at least if you died, you can either stay for free RP, or leave after 2 min 30 s. But OW2 ranked? You better stay.
It’s prison I’ve played since OW launch and now OW2 launch. I’ve placed in every tier into diamond and went stale. It took years and tears of “Plat Hell” to touch Diamond. Now that everything is reset and there is an onslaught of new/returning players everything has essentially reset on who you will be playing and grinding with with considering ranking system is new. In turn that means 100s of games again to find your median and climbing from there… voluntary prison. But prison.
The saltiest people I've met in Overwatch have been in QP voice-chat lol. That said, when someone shit talks their team /match and the ENTIRE lobby turns on them, that feels good.
I have a soundboard just for salty sweats, it's glorious
I swear the only time I hear vc in quickplay is when someone plugs up their mic after we lose just to bitch and blame others lol.
When I was doing dps placements a bit ago, I had a game where I feel I played a bit poor, but was cooperative, helpful with comms, and adjusted my dps picks to check enemy dps picks. Other dps, frankly, woefully underperformed and mostly just junk and pharah spammed at enemy tank regardless of what was happening.
When we finally lost, he gets on mic for the first time and starts shouting at me to get my damage up because he ended up with like 2k more damage than me (about 10k vs 12k).
I got a little mad, but that went away really quick when everyone else on the team immediately called him on it and defended me. They met his viciousness blow for blow and spelled out exactly how much more helpful I was.
After the game, I got three endorsements. I think this game is one I'll remember for a long time.
in quickplay I only talk when my tank is too afraid to tank
Nah, competitive voice chat is 100% more salty than quick play - you need to account for the tryhards with a severe case of the Dunning-Kruger effect.
"If you flame someone in QP, you need to go outside and find something else to do". PREACH! People that flame or rage in QP have smoll pp energy
You know this dude gets flamed on the regular
@@cornpop838 i agree tho
bro its really weird people flame 10x more in quick play than in comp very strange
when im playing QP with friends who are new and trying to level them up to play ranked, it's my perfect time to pick the fun heroes i barely give any playtime in comp to fuck around and have fun. Sure my friends are feeding and doing bad but QP is literally there for them to play the game for themselves and understand the game mechanics and slowly understand how to actually play the game efficiently
Its the most annoying shit when people are complaining cus ur doing bad in quickplay 😂
Never give up if the first round goes poorly. Even being rolled or full held. Even if you FEEL tilted just don't express that to your team because they probably feel the same and then your team will really BE tilted.
When no one says anything negative after the first round the chance of still winning or getting a draw goes up significantly.
When someone starts flaming after 1 round the game is usually over.
For sure, I have had games I thought were sure losses but everyone stayed calm and the next round turns out to be a complete 180 from the one before it.
When that starts happening I just try to calm the people that can be calmed down. Just saying it’s fine we have more time and getting people to focus on the game is what’s important. If there’s one guy still going off, if you can get the rest to focus, you all have something to laugh about after having won the game.
@@kokohaha3604 champion mindset and strategy
completely wrong, dogshit players ruin the game and need to be shamed into not playing
I usually go at most "thats frustrating, but we got this this time fellas"
you forgot the BIGGEST rule, in a widow 1 v 1 the first widow to swap admits defeat
@LightExists no no no
Specifically a widow 1 v 1
Every fucking game I see a widow or play widow dps on enemy team swap instantly to widow and when the win or even lose the game they say "widow diff" literal dumbasses
@@Biggun3567 it's obviously a widow Diff then
True lol
@@notsosolidsnakeproductions3596 What about Rein 1v1?
I love the, "Yeah, I'll swap, but can you swap for X" tip. I play in VERY low ranks, so the probability of anyone swapping like that is lower than my win rate
The best swapping team i've had in silver/gold have all been when i had a chat with them pre-match about how to counter things. like "we don't have hitscan, anyone ok with swapping if they have pharah". i think some people mid map just assume you're saying they're bad if you ask them to play something else.
For any1 who doesnt want to watch it all:
1. Always tell ur teammates that u dont think u belong if everyone is higher sr than u.
2. Never listen to anyone, always do what u want
3. Never trust your teammates. Ever.
4. If someone is trolling or tilted, argue and flame them. Be as toxic as possible.
5. If there is a pharah, go hanzo, or anything other than hiscan.
6. Never swap off your main. Ever. Keep your ground even if you are doing horrible
thanks now I don’t have to watch the whole video, hopefully I can reach GM with these tips !
Very helpful
💀 took until 5 to realize this was a meme
Always play ball and just roll around and make sure to emote aggressively. This will distract the enemy team.
some people just want to see the world burn, huh
"if 1 person does it, Their feeding, If 2 idiots do it, Its a strategy" I AM LIVING FOR THIS.
This is why I like flats the most. He’s prolly the most calm and composed OW streamer bros so mature and it rubs off on his community so well
Funny note about the flaming, my friend sometimes starts flaming people in qp and he doesn't realize he keeps sending the flames to the group messages and not the team.
He will never know, as to not be embarrassed by association
Not at all heroes wear capes. _Someone_ has to keep that crap contained.
Honestly the swapping characters part, if you feel it sooner switch sooner rather than later, best to ask tm8s if unsure. also if ult charge full use before switching xD pick off squishys
with the new ult transfer passive it sometimes might be worth to swap so you can keep the ult charge
@@thecakedeliver9487 that is very true, its like 30% though right, say you have a ult that can control the fight like grav, tyre, barrage and its full. My rule is always use that then switch however few heros like widow, tracer if they’re at like 70/80% ill definitely prefer switching to like reaper, junkrat. It’s always adapting but honestly games always been a counter show to some degree.
I mean not always, sometimes people call for swaps when they are frustrated but they don't have the full picture. I main pharah on dps and I get asked to swap from the moment anything bad happens if it was me or not. The reality is me with 700 hours probably knows more about when I can't play the character than others. I just stfu and swap when I know I should.
@@vearheart42 honestly man at the moment specially lower ranks it’s so little communication. It’s the one thing we got good at before this one came out, everyone sits in dead silence now…But you’re right when you need to switch you switch.
@@pranavraval5282 if I’m on monkey and getting hard countered with ult I’m just swapping to Zarya instantly
"quick play is for practice". Thank you flats. Everytime I want to get better at ball i cope hate bc "change ball". Only one time one random guy actually defended me with the same claim: "it's quick play he can play whoever he wants"
I had the swap suggestion scenario in one of my games just the other day. Going against 2 hitscans the other DPS switched to Pharah, I said you may not want to play Pharah against two hitscans. After he died, he swapped, and he got an endorsement from me. And yes we did win the game.
Another situation I feel people dont understand is you start a match with something like Pharah and they are good enough to force the other team to make a bunch of swaps it doesn't mean they have to swap off Pharah. If a Pharah is good enough to stay alive while 2 or more of their team is forced off their comfort picks and annoy people people the rest of the match or keep them looking up/behind I am all for it.
Widow often creates a similar situation. "But they aren't doing anything!" Getting in damage and picks maybe not but forcing the other team to play different than they want to has value. A widow only needs one good headshot to scare the average support into hiding for the rest of the game.
This is a great example for why Flats is incorrect about the swap thing. You don't always have to give the player you're approaching an option when literally every other hero is better in the situation. Also on my part I don't like to tell players what they should play because I don't know how well they can play that hero and most importantly if they have fun. So if I were to tell another player for example to pick Widow against Pharah instead of playing Junkrat but they are useless because they can't hit a shot and are frustrated playing a hero they don't like then it's literally my fault because I told them to pick a certain hero. Maybe they would've done much better on Cass. Who knows.
@@royceblack6752 hence you ask do you play widow by chance? If they say no I don't you can always ask if they play a dive hero and you go dive the other supports if they do play a dive hero.
I had a Sojourn the other day in ranked who was popping the fuck off but we kept losing the fight due to a phara mercy. I couldn't swap to dva because of them running with a max charge zarya and a mei. So the second round I said: sojourn any chance you could play hitscan? Your popping off on sojourn but our other hitscan is getting run down by the phara and the zarya. Do you play Ashe by chance? It will mean higher burst damage on both phara and zarya.
He said sure and we won that round, I said thanks for the swap worked great. I got told great suggestion.
@@Siks7Ate9 I definitely see what you mean. But let's say the person can't play the hero you recommend. What do you do? Go through the entire roster? Actually that's more a hypothetical though because I'm not that competitive and I even would prefer trying to help them think on their own by for example explaining why the pick is worse than others. As I said I'm not really about winning as long as it's an okay-ish game without trolls or an absolute stomp fro any of the teams so by helping my mates I also have a chance to help their future mates and make hopefully make everybody have a little bit more fun :)
@@royceblack6752 if they can't play the hero you suggest you say okay that's fine your doing great on sojourn anyways. Maybe I can try to put a bit more pressure on the other support myself by playing wrecking ball while knocking the zarya away from our Cassidy.
If they are dogshit you tell them okay and then try your best anyways/try a different hero if you can think of 1 that does more/helps them out to make them have more value. For example going a shield tank when you have a sym so he will do more damage and survive longer or go zarya and do the same. You can't win every game anyways.
Another one that I actually just recently dealt with is that sometimes before the match starts, it might be smarter to just give the hero you picked to the other person if they asked. I instalocked Bap cause I hard carry with him, but someone immediately asked if they can have him. I play all supports, and even though I doubted they could play a better Bap than me (and they didn't), I let them have Bap and I played Ana. We still rolled and won the game. The player was grateful, and the value you get out of this is that it boosts teammate morale; which obviously affects mental. There are a lot of players out there that if I said no, they would be mad and throw the game, or at least not try that hard. This doesn't mean let everyone bully you off your mains, but sometimes the better play is to just go for maintaining good team morale and carrying your own on another hero. This is why being dynamic in your main role is important.
I assume they feel best on that hero and might do terribly if forced to play something else
And naturally this leads to a better outcome than when you reach the second round and they take him first
Don't have that problem on tank 😈😈
Also that kinda swap is not always about who's the best Baptiste, but also about who is the best on a role they don't play as much.
Please get your narcissistic attitude outta here.
I'll throw another out there: don't flame an off meta pick. If someone is picking that it's likely out of comfort. Sure you may see your favorite streamer get upset at an Atk Torb on Hollywood, but in Bronze? Let's be real that turret has the best lethality in the lobby. Meta only exists if the players know to capitalize on why it is good.
I've climbed from bronze to plat just by placing good turrets and punishing enemy genjis. Cuz 80% cases there's a genji against me. And I am absolute garbage, tbh, I will burst genjis deflect in hope of breaking it, that's how bad I am. But still, 78% winrate in 10 hours and from bronze to plat just by that.
Meta is good to know, but I assume it works the best in higher elos. Cuz every time the enemy has a parah, we have brig and junkrat. Meta will only work and be useful if everyone knows it.
@@patrickstar1164 This so much. This is why i kinda prefer open queue on quick play when im not playing ranked. Gotta love how a "good" widowmaker or a "good" pharah destroys the whole team, and you can't do nothing about it because you are support and they refuse to see why their character may not be helping against those two in particular.
Unless it's doomfist.
The way I see it, in the metal ranks, any player could be at the rank they're at because they play poor heroes really well. In Bronze some of the Wrecking Balls are monstrous, and it's awesome.
OW community needs more videos like these. We gotta start a mentality change in comp to bring our game back and I'm here for it.
The beat is in open qeue when you have 3-4 dps and one of them is telling the others "we need an extta healer/tank" but they refusse to swap themselves
Dps isn’t even needed in open queue
Switches to Soldier.
As the lone tank in an open queue lobby, I question my life choices.
I agree 100% when a teammate is tilting. I've found that no matter which approach you use there is a 90% chance they flip their shit even harder and throw your game.
Now if the enemy team is tilting I will do my very best to increase that by either taunting with voicelines after killing them or in rare cases teabagging.
love it. psychological warfare haha
If the enemy team is tilting I just go all in on match chat trying to start fights between them xD Like pointing out their dps isn't doing shit or something, you know, the kinda stuff that players love to flame each other for. All you need is to give their tilt a little push, something to latch onto and they'll do the rest of the work for you all by themselves :D
My go to is waving. Get a kill that should be embarrassing for them? Wave buh bye
So that's you then!
This video is gonna be one I reference a lot in the coming weeks, as I'm a new OW player. The part about not engaging in toxicity really hit me, as that's my main problem in any multiplayer game. I have been trying to be as non-toxic as possible in my OW games, only sending text-faces and using the calls system, and it's helped immensely with my mental.
honestly i love bein sweet and nice to my team. emoting, saying thanks or hello to them as a healer and them also saying thanks and your welcome makes me feel happy and kinda boosts your team.
@@snorchill3170 there is so much joy in being the "kind" one in comp. remaining positive towards your team regardless of how well you're actually doing can really change the outcome of a game - and even if you lose, everybody has more fun if you're being nice to each other
there really is no point in being toxic or engaging with toxicity in team games. we're all playing to have fun
I have another. If you cannot just realize its a game and you're getting actually angry it is time to leave the game, stop, go sit for a minute, find out why you're angry, breathe, then come back.
Just remembering to breathe.
What I have noticed recently is everyone always jumping to say Tank diff, dps diff, or support diff like some sort of parrot mind virus. it is never the person calling out the role they are playing but blaming everyone else. What I like about Overwatch is that their are so many nuances to a match that you cant simply pick one player or a single role to blame.
except when your tank thinks he is a sniper
since there is only 1, noone can really balance it out
Even if another role on your team is getting diffed, it's still your fault you lost.
Unless you have like a plant on your team and they are really holding you back, then you are always going to have one tank playing better than the other, one dps popping off, one Ana that is way more survivable etc...
If you win all your games because everyone else on your team is better than all the opponents, then you aren't actually causing your own wins and you shouldn't climb!
You need to overcome the weak links and strong opponents, and learn how to deal with that shit rather than just pop a little "tank diff gg" in the chat...
(Ranting at the people that do that not you who commented this lol)
Sorry but wtf does tank, dps etc diff mean?
@@mage0534 that the other tank/dps/sup are better than the one you aim your remark on. So if one would win the game, and its obvious our dps are better salty bois would go, DPS DIFF XD keklol etc. Or the other way around, if the enemy is better they flame their own DPS by saying DPS diff. But you need to unlearn this because its absolutely not needed.
@@pr0faker Thanks, but I'll keep it stored. I'm the type of guy to return the flame on occasion, depending on my doucheometer reading. Specially if it's at the end of a match lol. ESPECIALLY if it's in fucking pubs/quick play.
Then again haven't played ranked yet.
Muting my mic and changing settings so as not to auto join team chat was what originally got me out of gold.
Comp way too toxic with comms.
OW2 ping system is fire, (not quite as intuitive as Apex) and I really REALLY encourage you to set up hot keys and practice using them. Fall back, go in, I need help, etc. Get your friends to use them.
Apparently now there's a new rule that every player in plat must yell at someone the second they pick wrecking ball
L pick fr
@@vegas707 not as bad as hog imo
I mean im plat and I rarely play against or with a good wrecking ball plus my team almost always focuses ball when he rolls by
I would rather have a wrecking ball on my team than a roadhog tbh
@@Munushew hog is great on hog maps
A few really good points that I had thoughts on:
- The part about masters and gm being a difference in mentality is why I believe that diamond is the worst rank, because everyone in diamond thinks they’re shit because they’re so close to masters and the entire rank becomes toxic. And really in general gm players seem much more chill
- The part about someone new trying to rush their 50 wins also was really relevant to me. I know this guy who I don’t really like that just got ow2 and they’re trying to rush their 50 wins to get comp. I played with them in qp for a few hours and they had no grasp on how the game should be played, and I just sat there and thought that they’re going to place bronze 5 and not climb for eons. To make it worse the first thing they ever asked me about the game was “how do I win with shit teammates” and I just thought they’re going to make a great ow player because they literally have 20 hours on the game and already think they’re better than everyone else
>how do I win with shit teammates
whenever i hear this i always get confused. It's like, ok either you need to be a better player, which is admitting you're garbage and need to improve..
or you're admitting that the only way you can win is with better teammates, meaning your ass has to get carried. It's always such a weird excuse to me
never tell a moira player to stop dps and heal more. they will 100% heal even less.
I think the chat is overrated; the ping system and the audio signals should be enough to prevent toxic ppl spread misinformation and insults meanwhile telling the ppl what they should be ready for. Supports even have a red icon telling them someone is about to die; on the other hand dps doesn't have a red icon on an enemy low on hp so they both have different things to work for.
And remember if tracer sticks you, stand still.
nah, run towards your team
Cass can tank it if he rolls. I’m gonna roll straight into my supports
@@NPJuve16 Wait a minute, I actually didn't even realize that. That means he only takes 125 damage from pulse bomb while rolling wtf. That's kinda insane
@@NPJuve16 wym does cass have some ability that makes him take less damage when he rolls?
@@Desklamp22 yeah like 50% less damage but only while he rolls so it’s a small window. And also reduced damage while high nooning
Your second tip is true of any competitive team game. DotA, TF2, CSGO, etc. Always do what the team lead is calling. Even if he's calling a bad play, it's at least being done as a team. It doesn't apply to pugs, but it's extremely important for organized teams and groups, especially new ones, to first and foremost work on doing the same thing together as a unit even if it's the wrong thing at the time. The team lead will learn over time what works and what doesn't, but he can't if people aren't aren't working together in the first place.
gl in everything under plat to get some form of coherent teamplay unless you play with mates on comms.
@@pr0faker You aren’t going to get galaxy-brain plays or anything, but something straightforward like “Ok, next team I’m going to EMP to start it off” is absolutely doable. It doesn’t take much more than that.
The tank doesn't have to be the team lead.
@@seductiveraven4895 he’s the one creating space and taking Agro so yeah if the lobby isn’t on coms then the tank is leader
@@Windbend3r well said
I don't think there is a single game in which telling people your new to a game in ranked is a good idea.
Easiest way to sabotage your teams mental. No one wants to carry new players in ranked.
and it's the fault of the game to let new players even join the ranked mode
Competitive players are extremely unhinged and very easy to tilt so of course hearing something like that is gonna make things worse. Kind of wish there were other ways to earn golden guns other than comp because then tons of players wouldn't have to interact with it. Even Jeff admits he regrets adding golden weapons (or moreso the inclusion of rewards for comp).
I'm a new overwatch player who plays valorant, and the amount of times i've been flamed by teammates while practicing widow in quickplay is insane lol
Ignore it.
It's hard to get mad at Widows in this new game unless the other tank is a Rein or Monkey because it's no longer a game of ShieldWatch. Even if the sightlines are horrible for Widow I assume they'll get enough work in with the limited sightlines available. The only pick that's questionable is Dooms, but as Flats says, it's QP.
as hard as that is, sometimes even if you wanna yell at the malding guy in vc, its better to step in as a positive voice and try to refocus the group to teamwork and boost morale. Can feel weird but chiming in to stop arguing with hey, we got this, we're gonna win next fight etc can stop further tilting and possibly stopping the malding guy throwing.
I am honestly so glad you being such a popular overwatch streamer/CZcamsr that you are bringing this up thank you flats!!
I remember I had a bronze game as Zarya and I turned on my mic to see if anyone else had a mic, nobody had a mic but the only person that listened to me was the Mercy, and they weren’t bad at all. Having communication definitely helps in comp.
The most sensible and logical Overwatch tutorial I’ve watched. These are 100% on point majority of the time. Thanks, Flats! ❤️❤️❤️
ive recently come back to overwatch after a couple of years of not playing and your mentality rule kinda rings true to the way i used to play i was a high masters player on ps4 recently switched over to pc im almost diamond right now and trying to climb higher i was never able to break into gm and it tilted me beyond belief i would be toxic right of the bat when something wouldnt go right ive been working on my mentality recently and not only have i been playing better but also been having the most fun with overwatch i ever had i was playing healer yesterday lost 4 games in a row and while it felt disappointing i didnt get tilted or flame my team i genuinely have the urge to improve at the game hoping i can get back into masters and eventually break into gm for the first time thanks for the great content keep it up
I've used the "who do you want me to swap to/why do you want me to swap" tactic before, and most of the time, the answer isn't even "I don't know", it's just dead silence LOL.
(Also sometimes it's easy to be "in the zone" and not realizing your team actually does need you on something else more, so asking this can be conducive.)
Had someone in a quick play match say "Pro rein throwing" while I was playing Reinhardt. They were playing Baptiste and was never healing me, I had to rely on the payload for healing the entirety of the match. Part of the problem with a lot of players is they never think what they could be doing differently, they just immediately jump to their teammates not hard carrying them.
This actually helped me out in my last placement match lmao. I’m new to the game and everyone was in on comms hardcore. I was bottom at everything but nobody seemed to care because we were doing well.
I caused too many tilting and learning from mistakes isn't fun or pleasant, but the end result makes you a better player or person.
"Just leave in quickplay" god that aged like fucking milk
Yesterday, I was doing competitive I thought I had queued for support but actually queued for all roles. Game queues up I get tank on Midtown. I tell the team I thought I queued as support. We ended up winning a very close match (like 5 meters decided it). What I didn't tell them is that D. Va is my most used hero.
On another note, turned off all chat options because I very quickly got sick of people being toxic to each other. People pinging or saying when there ultimates are close is a godsend. I played the original game when it came out but didn't play for almost 5 years.
Jeez Flats, you really know how to make sense for the community. You’re the best my dude
I had a team that literally all crouched walked to not make noise and tried to sneak to the 1st point with the train overhead. It failed when I started looking for them, since they were taking so long to push the point, and stumbled upon them all sneaking through a hallway. But we laughed so hard that they actually attempted it and that was the most fun comp game I’ve ever had. They kept, as a team, trying all the weirdest goofiest strategies but I have never played another OW game where a team tried to SNEAK onto point.
Never give up if the first round goes poorly. Even being rolled or full held. Even if you FEEL tilted just don't express that to your team because they probably feel the same and then your team will really BE tilted.
When no one says anything negative after the first round the chance of still winning or getting a draw goes up significantly.
When someone starts flaming after 1 round the game is usually over.
Another good rule of thumb is you dont ALWAYS have to be in game chat with your teammates. Sure its good to have comms but thats also why the ping system was implemented so people DONT have always talk to each other. Ngl me and my friends usually 3-4 stack so i understand the others feeling left out but again there are pings to use and if they havent used a single ping but beg u to come into chat chances are they just want to play coach or hear themselves talk.
Maybe it gets hard for them to ping in the heat of battle, I’m not downplaying your reason for not joining game chat thats all up to you 😊 just adding my thought in there too cause sometimes it gets hard to have to ping you need healing or something in the middle of a team fight
Yep. I don't use voice chat. I can't stand hearing from other players & I know it'll tilt me, so I avoid it.
@@Anixxtra i get that, i do, but as someone who's played Rocket League where voice chat is essentially never used and everything is done via the Quick Chat system and muscle memory, I wonder why people don't try and learn the pinging system
The social part . At lower ranks ive just left team chat and have been just playing Moira and lucio . I follow the team and always go back to bring the tank to the front from spawn . I play every game like I have to carry but I never overextend to get myself killed . It’s been working but I imagine as I get higher it’s nothing gonna work as well
Try some other supports like Ana or Bap so you have more options once you get to higher ranks. Also don’t always taxi the tank, sometimes yes, but if your other 3 teammates die while you’re bringing the tank back to the fight then it defeats the purpose.
I'm a support main. I do this but my character selection is more diverse. I also try and remember that it isn't just my teammates. My buddy who is a master gave me a hard Truth the other night. I said I know I'm not great at this game but I am definitely better than some of these ppl it's giving me and he said " no you're not, these are the ppl on your level, when you start carrying them then you are better".
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Mute toxic people but at least stay in chat so you can hear your team mates comm. Also, Zen, Ana and Bap are pretty crucial to learn and get well with since they’re the counters for so many hero’s. If you only play lucio/Moira AND you don’t comm or listen to comms, how do you expect to climb?
@@zachjpg759 this! i hate when people aren't in voice chat, in fact you have to be lucky if you get at least 1 guy out of your team who is in the voice chat and then people are wondering why teamplay isn't working^^
everytime my full team is in voice chat then we always win with ease
@@zachjpg759 in fact not beeing in toxic and just playing for yourself is toxic in my opinion
Mute button is a powerful weapon.
Voice chat can be a super powerful tool to win games, but sometimes the mute button is just as good. If someone is literally not contributing giving good comms, like if they only speak to flame someone or complain, just mute them. They're just a distraction at that point and only bad can come from hearing their voice.
@@masift1494 double edge sword …
Whoever edits these videos I wanna say I love you
everyone following and committing to a bad call is better than everyone doing their own thing or worse nothing. sometimes you see crazy stupid plays work because the whole team committed to it. so in a pinch if one guy suggests something crazy and no one else has any other idea, commit to it and make it work rather than just rejecting it and arguing and not having another plan at all.
Lol, I play mostly QP and back in OW1 like a couple months ago, I was playing as Genji because I wanted to learn him and was honestly kinda goofing off. The Brig on my team started flaming me and I was like, bruh, chill it's qp, I'm playing a new character. Brig ended up throwing and screaming in the chat at me "That's what versus AI is for!!" and I was like "yeah, no, that's not how you learn a character."
They were definitely a smurf account and I did report them
Yes, caveat being, what level of learning you were on…. Like, I wouldn’t use genii in a live setting even now. I’ve played a total of probably, an hour on genii… I don’t have a grasp of like any of his kit. And would be a literal net negative for my team. Getting better vs. literally learning the character.
@@AlienInvader I have an understanding of his mechanics and I wasn't totally dragging my team down, but I also wasn't contributing much. Lol its still only QP and like Flats said, if you're gonna flame and get toxic in a QP match you're just awful. Like learning a new character entirely in QP is not stupid, it's actually the best way to learn. You're in the live setting against real people with skill and they can switch heroes and the heroes you play against are much more varied than the AI.
@@sergeantseal4166 It doesnt matter if you were complete ass at genji, you were in the right place to practice him, in quick play. Nobody has the right to bitch at you for trying a new hero in quickplay, your W/L LITERALLY doesn't matter, at all.
This comforted me a lot bc literally the same thing happened to me last night, was playing Genji and got flamed while I'm just here trying to get practice with him lol, fortunately some nice teammates backed me up like "chill this is just norms" but it was still kinda disheartening. Now I'm confident tho to not take it to heart
@@masift1494 100%! That’s why I don’t like challenges requiring people to win in QP. Because the people who tilt in QP might be trying to finish a challenge to win 10 games so it matters a minuscule amount in QP. But not quite zero like in OW1.
All in all, flaming or tilting in QP is so dumb. Just run around, practice or try that cool thing you saw on TikTok.
In comp I saw an Orisa try to use their ult on the hole in ilios on a Dva and the dva just flew away while the Orisa died. It was funny until I remembered I was in comp and now we didn’t have our tank hahaha. Orisa watching too much TikTok.
Don't forget as Zarya to always bubble a stealth Sombra, it prevents her from being taken out of stealth by random fire!
I can’t tell if your memeing or not lol. The only time you should do this is if you know she is going in for her ult or about to jump on a squishy. If you do it to early, it gives away her plan and position.
@@OneDivineShot He is 100% trolling. If she's about to EMP it's actually amazing bc then she cannot be stunned or killed during the cast
A few days ago I was playing Sombra, being stealthy in their backline. Our Kiriko decided it would be best to tp to me ,because I was missing 5hp. We both die. The best part? I got flamed by the kiriko. Some people just don't make sense to me.
New to OW, ty for the videos bc they really help. The osts in the bg are awesome too, fellow Kirby fan out here
i think one major thing aswell which i find that plat/diamonds seem to stuggle with the most becuase they are starting to understand the game but are not fully there yet is: not every teammate is trying to shit talk you. if a teammate comes into chat and goes 'yo we need to fix something here its obvious what we are doing is not working could xdps change to xdps because it seems you are stuggling a bit in the mirror or same role' 99/100 times they are not trying to flame you, they are literally just trying to win and are trying to work out what needs to happen so that they can. you dont have to listen to them all the time sure but please for the love of god do not get angry at them and start flaming because its a ticket to loose. either try to take the advice and adapt/swap to do what they are asking or respond politely something along the lines of "i dont think thats really the problem" and then add what you think might fix the problem
I have never seen the phrase "yo we need to fix something here its obvious what we are doing is not working could xdps change to xdps because it seems you are stuggling a bit in the mirror or same role" or anything similar to that. It's always "only 1 dps", "healer shit", "TANK DIFF". Chat is never worth unmuting in anything below Masters. Only voice for heals and essential comms
@@Stanky_Foot as someone who bounces between masters and gm that also has smurfs in diamond and below i can tell you that thats partly on you, unless you are literally slapping your nuts over the enemies face all game its on you to change that synergy around start the game off positive and stay positive the entire game no matter how lost it is and i guarantee you you will get another 5% ontop of your WR . i mean i hear quite often people go 'its obvious someone isn't working here can we switch dps' . When someone says 'tank diff' before you respond think 'what is worth more? this win and my elo or my ego' then respond accordingly.
@@user-kw1bs4sb9d Hmm? Oh no, I can totally solo carry myself with any role to diamond at least, I'm masters in DPS and high diamond in tank. I was only even playing valorant and apex legends (apex pred most seasons) before OW 2. During my placements I can tell you that nothing good ever comes out of text chat in my games. I don't know what server you're playing in but I'm in SEA, and when they start shittalking there is nothing constructive. (think baby noises on mic, unintelligible gibberish) I also play the game to enjoy so, I would much rather not hear bullshit after a long day making money and just relaxing playing overwatch. With voice chat at the very least a decent teammate is forced to speak so I can hear them (most trashtalkers are pussies so they cant really shittalk on mic)
@@Stanky_Foot You play in SEA server ?
pse1 ( singapore ) server still exists? I'm trying to log in there , but blizzard forced me to play in tpe1(taiwan) server....
@@Stanky_Foot well then dont complain if you cant bothered to deal with them. ive played in europe, na and north Asia through literally every rank and never experienced that many problems. also i find it hard to believe that you can solo carry as people do not type or talk shit if they are winning. also the way you talk about this does kinda give the impression that you are part of the problem
As a doomfist player. Just muting everybody is easier.
Word to my mother
I disabled Chat and voicechat. Its insanely stressfree. Because all I ever hear is: "switch to Mercy"
oh hell no, if I was constantly asked to swap to mercy I'd be mad af. I dont blame you
Beneath the Mask really is great background music
We need this video everywhere
I play open queue exclusively on switch... I play alot of splatoon, and wanted to see if gyro aim helps in some situations. Tracking my stats for this experiment, and I'm getting some interesting data so far
I also love telling people mid game "NS player btw"
We're pretty much the same only I don't use gyro in splatoon bc I play handheld mode alot
@@b9morion really? I like using gyro with handheld, too... interesting. I have been playing alot of doomfist on open queue with switch, and it's strange how using gyro to aim my slams and rollout and stuff feels surprisingly smooth and intuitive? It might sound stupid to people who don't like gyro, but there's something to it. Wish I could use it on my ps4 as well
@@canucklehead9250 Yeah I understand, my friend switched to gyro a couple months ago and has improved a lot but idk, I think it's the positions I sit/lay in when I play but it feels uncomfortable
Woah wtf, Gyro aim? That's nuts
As a Genji player, I think it is more fun to challenge and play around any counters or tough situations. With that said, I will switch if I really don't feel I'm making an impact at all. With that said, I don't think asking someone to swap is the thing to do at all, especially if it's as blizzard say and they want swapping to be less important to players just being strong and best on their favorite heroes. What I think needs to be said, is also how Flats said it, is to simply suggest that another character would be more effective, not just telling someone to swap.
Agreed. Like if someone isn't experienced/self-aware enough yet to realize on their own when a swap would be beneficial, then telling them to swap just for the sake of it isn't going to magically fix the situation lol
“Don’t make it worse” is a really important thing. Learn how to not pick fights with your teammates, and learn how to de-escalate. Especially in a game like Overwatch where so much of it is based on harmonizing with your teammates, you can’t afford to have people who hate each other on the same team. Also, idk, it’s a video game. Try to be the kind of person where people end the game thinking that they were glad to have met you, even if they’ll never meet you again.
Also, an important thing is that nobody on your team is a mind reader. If you don’t communicate something, nobody can know what you want them to do, and you cannot get mad when they don’t do what you haven’t told them to do. If someone says “Hey, can you switch” then that’s an actionable thing that I can do something with. If we’re at the end of the round and they’re saying “You’re a fucking idiot for not switching gg” or even just “Why didn’t you switch?” it’s not something I can take action on. If they say “Can you switch?” then I can either agree and switch, or explain why I can’t - maybe I can’t play the hero they want me to, or I can explain that I can get more utility out of the hero I’m currently playing and have just had some bad luck out of spawn a couple times, or whatever else.
Communicating and being a decent human being doesn’t always win games, but being an asshole will lower your winrate more than literally anything else in Overwatch. Turn off your mic if you’re incapable of keeping it to yourself.
Yoooo the kirby music 1 minute in went hard, the good old air ride days
6:10 the only thing is that there are so many dps supports in QP at the moment that if u play any other role u do not have fun. Without exaggeration 90% of all moiras are DPS Moiras. Moira could be OW2's Brig in the sense of ruining fun for everyone.
Moira is so fun to play as a little dps cause you can go in and out and annoying people. I fall prey to the dps Moira often but I still try to heal and not focus the Zara when she's low casue fuck here I would love not to see a baby Zara try to challenge me only to see that laser go from a whimpy light Saber to a sun beam just casue some had to shoot a 1st bubble I know it's hard not to and it ain't on purpose but it happens enough and it's just well this went poorly and delete I go.
"You'll never climb in Overwatch if you don't trust your teammates"
Probably explains why I was Gold/Plat for the entirety of OW1 lol 😂
Thank you for the advice. 😅
I like to interrupt arguments to set up battle plans. its worked pretty well.
Just fyi, you can still get suspended for leaving qp games too often. And it doesnt take many.
Hey Flats. I’m just a low rank player with very poor mechanical skills and one crappy eye and I don’t care too much about climbing but I found your channel and Twitch just before OW2 dropped and I’ve honestly learned a lot and improved things I didn’t even realize I needed to. So I am having a lot more fun now that I’m a bit more competent and impactful on a match. Thank you! ❤
Late but I love the swap advice! Instead of saying “I’m new” I usually say, “hey, I’m open to swap recs, so lmk if any come up!”. It says pretty much the same thing, but so far it sets up a good team energy.
It’s amazing how a good mindset can carry the match better than any solo carrying player could
I also love how i go to QP to try a new hero or practice some tech and people tilt more there then Comp hahahaha. 😂
Really? I saw that a lot in ow1 but in ow2 that hasn't been the case for me personally.
Rule 1: Don’t play Doom unless you want to get flamed by your teammates throughout the entire match.
Devs need to get off their ass and buff him now instead of waiting until season 2…
Yeah his rocket punch is so weak he might as well take off the gauntlet and put on some mittens
I picked Doom first thing yesterday, and my teammate said "Oh, please no. Please tell me you're cracked at Doomfist."
I replied "Are you talking to me? What's a Doomfist?"
Fighting him in mayhem is hard but then again I play baptiste against him.
Join team voice chat seeing it way to often where I’m the only person in the channel in ranked in a team based game like ow communication with teammates is essential
I watched this a couple days ago and I've lost 3 maps in 20 games in solo queue since then and it's literally just because of trying to change my mentality.
I'm pretty new to tank and didn't really click that I need to be leading the team rather than just playing, and have started IGLing mid map. I'm also the kind of guy that usually gets annoyed at people when they play badly, and I think you just talking about how pointless that is has made me realise if I just tried to be supportive during maps and try to help them out by giving them jobs (IE focus x, or do y) it makes them play better. TY for the help.
"Swap please its not working"
Me: Ok what do you want?
No joke like 80% of the time or more I get total silence. People know nothing about tanks yet ask them to swap.
The next most common request is the dumbest thing possible for the situation. I can't tell you how many times I have been asked to swap to Winston so i can dive Bastion. Another favorite of mine is "They have a widow we need Rein."
They usually get quiet but once I had a guy say "idk. swap to a real tank". Like what does that even mean
"Can you swap to Mercy?" I hear this in a ton of my games. I answer, "Sure," which is usually followed by, "not you, you are fine."
LOL, I'm a dps/tank main, but when I occasionally played support, I'd hate being asked by an echo or pharah to play mercy. So cringey and boring
Argh! What I like to do when people say “can you switch off torb?”
I kindly respond “I can” then continue to play torb.😂
@@masift1494 I lose all interest in playing mercy the minute someone picks echo or pharah
I did not know a lot of this info. Thanks Flats
my rules for swapping
1: if they ask politely...or at least not like a d bag
2: if it actually makes sense (normally I play certain tanks on certain maps so normally I am in a meta tank for said map)
3: If it is a direct counter to opposing player
4: if it will fit the group meta better
I normally dont like swapping but will when needed. The reason i dont like it is, 1 all those a holes that swap every death and still suck, 2 i want to get better at fighting characters that are even my counter. If I am on Ball I dont sweat a mei, or sombra by themselves. I can normally take em.(except those who are exclusively countering me...then its a compliment)
Now if u leave quick play u cant leave anymore becuse u get a penalty
The tilt rule is super true. Did my “placements” last night with my squad, and we went 9-1. The only game we lost, my buddy was on Moira for two rounds, and the final round a random locked Moira from my buddy. He got wicked tilted, played like ass, and we lost.
Your buddy should know how to play other heroes than only Moira
seems like your “buddy” needs to not one trick
@@joomface might just be he was annoyed at the guy for taking the hero hed been playing all game
@@lizabeth529 I get that, a new round means your team comp could change. Throwing a fit because someone picked Moira for one round when you were playing her before is just super childish for such a diverse game like Overwatch
@@joomface oh its very childish, just he may not necessarily be a moira one trick
Thanks for the video, but one question. The song used RIGHT BEFORE "Royal Days" from P5R at 2:50 is so familiar, I feel like PMD but can you tell me where its from? 2:30
As a support main I’ve been trusting my second support more which has been really nice. I don’t feel the need to heal to full as Mercy so I get more damage boost and for all the other supports I play it means more damage/kills and assists.
If you feel like you are stuck at a low rank but you you got a positive win rate and good stats and shit you may just not have put in enough games to rank up yet
And likewise, you may not have put in enough games to rank down to your actual skill level. Keep the ego in check. Sometimes, it is you that's the bad player.
I hate people that don't want you to admit you're bad. I actually prefer someone tell me they're new or don't know what to do. I try my best to help them and give them a better understanding. What does piss me off though is when someone doesn't say something then ends up being a bad player
If you are group finding PRIVATE YOUR CAREER PROFILE (Lower tiers). People will look at it and say "ah well your avg damage isn't that good" and just immediately boot you. Shit like that
Leaving multiple quick play matches will get you an XP penalty for a few matches. I got this when the game had insanely high ping and left a bunch of matches
I experienced the idiot theorem! Comp game, I was playing mercy getting heavily targeted while I was alive so was playing safe, stay out of los - got screamed at by this zarya who was overextending while the dps were dealing with everything I was attracting. If you looked at my game play, you knew exactly why I was playing the way I was. When I died, I was going to switch, I kept getting singled out and screamed at by this Zarya, just got told to pocket him specifically, I said it's not safe, I'll just die. Our other supp was like just do it and I'll heal everyone else, I'm like ok I'll give it one shot. I did "pocket" (I was still healing everyone else anyway but made it look like I was pocketing when they were focusing on someone), I had no cover, I was super uncomfortable & knew I'd die at any moment. Thankfully the enemy team all stopped paying attention to me (?) & were targetting the other supp, so had to rez her a bunch of times & we won. It actually annoyed me that we won, it made absolute no sense to me. I was out in the open, just trying to keep moving so I didn't die, finding the little amount of cover I could. And I knew that Zarya would have been taking all the credit for that game, they didn't deserve it. Next comp game a tracer got mad at me for not dmg boosting them "enough", why would I be following a tracer in the backline to damage boost! I gave up & logged off lol.
I just got called the worst mercy player this guy ever seen because I wasn’t dmg boosting him as pharah while the whole team was going low hp constantly. I’m like okay dude, I’ll just leave voice (because he was starting to scream) and then called me a pussy in chat 🤣 him and the tank proceeded to flame each other when we were about to lose.
Honestly, this sounds more like you have preconceived notions of Mercy that don't line up with the expectations of your teammates. No shade but I've seen this a lot. No one usually gets frustrated with a Mercy on their team unless they're playing noticeably bad. Those players may have been dicks but their frustration may have been founded in something real about how you play.
I say that as someone who went through the same thing, with teammates lashing out at me for bad plays that I didn't at the time recognize.
Have a look at your replays from another players POV and maybe try get some feedback with replay codes. You might be surprised how much you learn
@@MasterDeks I watched it. He was charging ahead 9 times out of 10 while the 4 of us dealt with people in our backline. I felt the tank wasn’t playing with the team & wasn’t aware of his surroundings. I wouldn’t GA forward to him, he’d be so far ahead out of los, but nevertheless, it was too dangerous for me to go ahead. Unfortunately I’m not dying just to save one person who is out of position consistently. I have been playing for quite sometime, nearly 800 hrs on this character, I felt the tank was new. If I was wrong on some level, I would admit it. I wanted to swap to something else, mercy wasn’t the pick but got screeched to remain on her to pocket.
Being a female console player...i stay as far away from competitive as i can...but when i do dip my toes into the toxic pool of bronze i keep my mouth shut. Kinda sad really but i have found my actions speak louder than my obviously female voice XD.
Try PC. I see female players here and there and haven't noticed any flame or creeping. Just my experience though.
wanted to try to branch out, tried to practice one game zenyatta in quick play, got told to never played the game again im dog shit, annnd got a comment "nice damage zen" which told me nothing i didnt know if it was too high and i should've been healing more or the opposite was such a lovely experience. didnt really bother me too much since i know im decent at damage and but imagine if i was new trying to practice in QUICK MATCH and that was my experience like god damn bro
"Leave quickplay" gets banned for leaving quickplay
I was masters in OW1 for a long time (right up until I stopped playing comp in season 34). My mental state basically became "I achieved the highest I have any desire to, I don't really want to reach GM" and so that's where I stayed. Now that I'm starting in plat 5, I have the drive to at least make it back up there. Who knows.
I Wouldnt bother this game is dead now 5v5 is worse and is ass 6v6 is better and was better I Feel like they made it So Ohh u just rush kill things and make all roles kinda broken Old ow1 was about countering ur counter and doing cool fun metas etc but nope lets make everyone broken or nerf certain heros so there so bad thats ow2 gg i was mid diamond on ow1 now on ow2 its plat or gold and cant get good teammates and no look for group so GG games even more dead now i cant play this trash anymore cuz of the op heros they made now i aint dealing with it anymore. Granted it just came out but still The devs did that Wink wink nod at understanding Certain heros like soujorn being op or doomfist being weak af they just said we dont care were gonna hold the buff and nerfs hostage till season 2 cuz fuck u. we wana make each season "unique" lazyness is wat i call it. games really frustrating to play now and no one listens even more than ow1 GG Blizzard fucking twats.
gl man :]
It feels so cool being there for the original stream and also seeing what it was edited into. I already know this is a great video!
But also, dumb question, I don’t understand the first rule lol. I know people would most likely blame me for every bad thing that happens if I explain I’m new, but I also feel it gives context. I don’t really care about the toxic people and I can filter it out. Either mute or stand up for myself, idc. But for the non-toxic players, would it not help to know that context? I did private my profile after that stream though, had no idea you even could until then.
It tilts your teammates and makes people play different if they have that knowledge. In a perfect world maybe people would play better with the knowledge you’re new, but I think it’s more likely for them to play worse on average
Most people are toxic and the best advice I have is always blame urself and never blame someone else because there is no way you played perfect… when I have a toxic person in the lobby I usually lose 80-90% of the time , when I don’t I lose a lot less! Just focus on yourself and what you have , not what you DONT have😊
Example: a lot of people will say they need healing but maybe they just need to play slower because of the heals provided. I’ve won lobbies in master with lucio zen ! My point is , never complain like most people do
@@hobonolen omg yes, yesterday i had a game where i topped off genji and a full second later he says "i need healing" lol, at least he always came back for heals instead of spamming it in the enemy backline
No one wants to carry you. Sorry. And no one wants to know that their team mate (you) is gonna cause more trouble then help by being new since you have absolutely no clue what you’re doing. Go mess around in workshop/quick play for a few weeks before you go to ranked and even then… stick to quick play until you feel like you can carry fights. But you definitely defeat your teams mental before the match starts by saying that because they know the match is pretty much lost lol.
I love that you use the ost of persona 5. Love that game and it's soundtrack
Btw they punish you if you leave quick play by lowering your endoresment level. I was in group, leader chose to leave without me being able to say anything and thats how I lost my endoresment 5 level. Of course I used to leave when I had irl and I had pc troubles lately which crashed my game but the decreasing of level happened after that group leave specifically.
Number one rule for console: don’t use text chat pls it wastes time
As a flex support. I only flame ppl who keep asking for heals that are walking in 1v5. Or when both healers are walking back from respawn because the Moira or zen was to agro and I’m solo fighting a trace genji or even both. Asking ppl to turn for help doesn’t work then they spam I need healing it’s really annoying.
Joins game: I WASNT EVEN SUPPOSED TO BE HERE TODAY
I’m master rn and ima use this advice to push into gm now. I’ll let u know if it works