Lets talk about the confusing Overwatch 2 Ranked system
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- čas přidán 15. 10. 2022
- In this video Flats talks about Overwatch 2 ranked and the confusing aspects about it. Whether is how they haven't thought top 500 through, the placements, or how your rank isn't shown client side.
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What they need to do is show how many losses are between each win
And show how much damage you have done as a support and the statistics Vs the enemies team. Great to know I healed 10k that match, maybe the enemies support healed twice as much or did twice as much damage. If I did 10k healing and 2k DMG as bap and the enemys bap did 6k DMG and 7k healing and got 15 final blows more then I did I would like to know that.
@@Siks7Ate9 the leaderboard is already nice and organised with everything you need too see from both teams. Wym?
@@zacbrowne7604 the after match report stuff I mean.
Facts
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Just put an option that allow players to show the SR. If the numbers give you anxiety just don't touch it.
i want to be able to see the sr im at but i’m glad it doesn’t show after every game because in ow1 id always be scared to see the number go down and then have to win 3 games to be at where i was before hand so i’m glad it doesn’t show but id like to see the sr rating as well when the 7 wins or 20 losses are up
i want to be able to see the sr im at but i’m glad it doesn’t show after every game because in ow1 id always be scared to see the number go down and then have to win 3 games to be at where i was before hand so i’m glad it doesn’t show but id like to see the sr rating as well when the 7 wins or 20 losses are up
Blizzard don't operate that way. They will punish the rest of the people for the loudest sooks. They don't do numbers because they want crybabies to play the game and numbers hurt people's feelings.
@@yungravyjr same
I tracked my games in Overwatch 1 with an excel tracker I created. The standard SR gain is +25 and performance-based SR usually adds +/-5 to that. Streaks happen later than they initially did on release but each win once a streak starts adds about +/-5 SR (per win after the start of the streak) to your wins too. You also get around +/-2 based on if you're the underdog team or not.
If you're placing an account for the first time, you can expect a strong "Is smurf?" SR gain for wins and losses that increases significantly AFTER placements until you've stabilized.
@Flats If you ever want to get a copy of some completed sheets to be able to dig into the numbers closer, feel free to DM me and I'll send them on to you.
That's real dedication right here.
A win and lose in ow1 would go from 15-30 Sr ( accept when you had a 10 + game win streak, then u can get a +100 Sr boost for every win ... ) I placed plat , in ow1 and I was in silver 3 in ow2.. But after my placement.. I had 2-3 lose and 7 wins and i went up to gold 1 ... So I got 200+ sr from 7 wins and a few loses ( this is without 10+win boost ) so I can confirm, they will put you back in the Sr you belong .. Just keep playing ..( also, this is before they the the dev update , were they talked about Bronze 5 bug....they are going to make it even easier to climb now)
So you get +/-5 of additional SR based on you performance, but what exactly contributes or influences the system to giving +5 instead of -5? Is it based on KDA, objective time, or something else maybe?
@@lovace411 Blizzard didn't explain it lol. People still guessing....
you did this for fun or.....
This worst part for me is that I can’t keep track of how many losses I have. When I see that 7 win screen fill up I’m expecting my rank to go up, but that’s not always the case. If I had a loss counter then I’d be more understanding if my rank drops or stays the same
You do. Go into career profile, and then statistics. You can see total games played, won, and lost per game type (quick play, comp, etc).
@@eriatarka1983 then you need to track your losses after every match
@@eriatarka1983 that doesn’t address the problem of not seeing reasons between each placement tier while you’re waiting on 7 wins.
@@The0nlyy I know I'm a bit late but.. it's not that hard to write it down. Yeah it's an extra step, but I do it as well and I'm usually lazy af so.. yeah.
@@chris3683 Why should we be expected to do something, that every game that has had a ranked mode has done it for us? What are we supposed to fix bugs and code ourselves next too?
When you get to gold, that's where the madness starts. Gold is where new players play their placements. When you see default ow2 skins or ones from the legendary edition from ow1, you know you're in for a treat.
yeah I noticed that too, just got to gold and I ask what rank people are and they telling me it's their first time and asking me what the name of Moira is or how to use Genji abilities. XD And I placed bronze due to the placement bug, so I had to climb out of bronze to gold only to still be playing with newbies. actually ridiculous.
Then you're account is below a certain threshold. I have about 2.2k hrs and I (almost) NEVER got players below the old "silver frame".
The lowest I see is like the old "Bronze Frame with 5 Stars".
The Matchmaker does take "your experience" into account.
That said: It's usually worthless, since often times players with silver or gold frames haven't played in years and they don't know tf what they are doing.
@@iminumst7827 I got silver... like.wtf gotta climb now lol
@@iminumst7827 10:04
Dealt with new players on my team and went like 50% win percentage on my placements and got bronze 5 despite being gold in OW1
As a Plat player, it's been extremely difficult to get out of Bronze and silver in OW2.
Totally agree
I was masters before but still struggle in silver lol. I mean I'm not that good anymore but mostly the reason is that everyone in bronze and silver is actually plat or diamond anyways
@@zombor8249 lol, so this is why , i'm getting GMs on my plat Lobbys ! O_O
@@AntisleepZ Yeah, they fixed the placement bug apparently, but the ppl who were placed so low have to get up now first. It will probably take a few weeks/months until the ranks kinda manifest like they should
Skill issue
I DON'T UNDERSTAND why they don't just show us our raw MMR, and also what accounts for it. We need more transparency, not more obfuscation to try and make us "feel" a certain way. Not only would this simplify everything, but it would eliminate so much of the confusion.
Cause people could abuse it really easily.
People were already boosting their SR by playing niche characters and being "above average" for their rank
Someones mad stuck in bronze lol
@@nerbakken ?? This equally affects players on every rank. There's just as much advantage for a GM to know their MMR as a bronze player. I'm specifically addressing Flats' discourse around rank confusion.
@@ridingred27 I'm not understanding your point. A transparent system like ELO doesn't allow anyone to "rig" the system - it's just flat representation of your skill level in relation to other players. Why not give users that raw number instead of dressing it up behind these artificial SR / Rank Tier mechanisms?
@@wierdpocket I agree with you on this. They are just clearly putting a coat of paint over an already working system in an attempt to manipulate how people feel. Its not that hard to reverse engineering how the MMR works, people have already figured it out. There is no abuse happening around the system that isn't already happening.
Ranked has always been a mystery to me. Feels like in bronze/silver you either completely destroy the other team or you get stomped on by master smurfs. The skill difference starts to shrink in gold+ but the lower ranks have always been a mess.
truuuuue
There is no master smurfs in silver or maybe 0.00001% of master Smurfs are there
@@RelexGG have you seen how many unranked to gms video there are
@@rohanking12able yes so let’s say 500 (which is way more than there actually are), they ruin a total of maybe 500 games because their mmr will skyrocket if they try, and if they don’t try they won’t have as big of an impact therefore it can’t be called smurfing
no really.
I really don't like the new system, I'm not someone who stresses about seeing my number go up or down. I stress more about the quality of matches, and I want to know if my teammates and enemies are below or above my current rank, so I can adjust my play and have faith that I'm not just being thrown in with random players. I'm okay with losses if I felt the match was close and that the players were non toxic. I got the bronze placement bug, then when I climbed to gold really fast but then I started placing with a bunch of fresh installs who told me they had never played ranked before and that they are new to the game, because apparently gold is actually the default placement rank with the bronze bug gone. If I'm going to be thrown into being the carry of people doing their placements, I at least want to know tha. I can't even tell if I'm playing with / against a stack anymore, or maybe I've just only played with other solo queues.
Most of all, I hate the lack of transparency. I'd be so willing to believe that the quality of matches and my ranking are good if I just understood how the system works. Right now I'm paranoid that the performance based SR is badly calculated, so instead of playing for the win, I'm playing for the max healing and/or damage stats in the game and avoiding all utility based heroes. If I knew with confidence that the system works, then I'd play accordingly. But how can I trust that the system is working well when firstly I don't know what the system is doing and this is all right after they admitted they had a bug in their ranking system?
Yeah like I got placed in gold 3 as tank aswell as ~2900 tank player. I had so many dps who legitimately had no clue how to play the game/follow up on the space created. Eventually I had to just go orisa and legit just ask for pocket healing and kill 3 people myself. Because I would get a widow who would lose the widow duel entire game, never swap, tells me to play sigma Vs the max charge zarya and the other dps would only shoot at the zarya. I asked can u stop shooting the zarya as tracer and just shoot on the backline or go on the widow? He said the zarya needs to die.
I'm like yes but your playing tracer, she has 2 bubbles and 2 supports pocketing him and the reason I lose the zarya mirror is because I get headshot through cycling the bubbles by the widow because I can't push up towards their supports or past the zarya.
Ended up being told tank diff by both dps.
Our widow had 2.4k damage and died 17 times. Tracer had 4k damage and 15 deaths, I had 9.8k DMG and 9 deaths.
Monkey didn't work either because they went reaper and just bubbled the sniper or the supports while tracer was still shooting the zarya. Every time I jumped in zarya walked into my supports and killed atleast 1 while getting pocket healed.
Like I'm not saying it was my best game on tank but my dps died fist entire game long, and charged the zarya to max. The widow had 5 deaths because I killed her 5 times as orisa. I died 9 times because there was no point in pushing up further and giving the zarya more charge or ult charge in a 4v5.
I rather waited until her charge decreased and we had 5 v 5.
Both enemy dps had literally 5x the amount of damage my dps did. The zarya had 10.4k dmg.
So many of my comp games have felt horribly unbalanced. Im in gold on all roles at the moment and I was a gold/plat player in ow1. Like one game my team would steamroll and the next we’d get stomped, I’ve had games against diamond players and new players. And the worst part is, if people have private career profiles there is literally no way to find out why the games are so unbalanced. I really hope they change something because it makes comp feel like even more of a coin flip where I have basically no impact on the outcome of the match.
I think when you get to GM you should be able to see your rating, at that level seeing your SR go up and down is not gonna discourage them as much as it would a gold, plat, or diamond player. It would help a ton with the T500 problem right now
Everyone should have the ability to see their exact SR. I really don't like having a pretty basic feature taken away because some other people are riddled with anxiety.
Just put it on the profile instead of seeing it change after every game
@@techelitesareadisease8816 for real, such a dumb change
if you win 6 games and lose 19, you will have played 25 games without a rank update
It’s maximum 20 games i think if you don’t reach the 7th win
if you dont have a fucking eternal bee in your bonnet about the f2p business model you recognise this is a good system
I was a diamond tank player in OW1 and played like two seasons (with all 10 placements) or so healer. I switched to heal in OW2. I placed 4 times now, 2 times at bronze 5 and 2 times at silver 5. I climbed silver 5 the second time, and got silver 5 again after the SSR update from Blizz with 7 straigth wins (so Bronze 5 -> Bronze 5 -> Silver 5 -> Silver 5). I dont care if I am actually silver or not, but at the end of the day I expect to climb if I win 7 times with no losses. For me thats an indicator the system is still fucked in some way. I agree with flats, losing is not as much of a negative experience, but winning is not a positive either. Competitive right now is just not exciting at all, no on fire, no endcards, wonky placements its just such a downgrade on the OW1 experience. Have they tested their product?
@@TeHzoAr f2p bootlicker jfc just stop
And the next one is probably the most stressful match ever.
I won all the my placement matches on tank and got silver 5 💀
Bro I won 7 and lost 2 and I consistently placed gold got bronze 5
@@theuigoon7579 haha thats rough
Yea I was high gold on tank and alter winning 7 matches in a row with an average of 30+ kills and got silver 3
I lost 2 and got bronze 5.. not even playing comp until its fixed
@@obiwanshinobi87 it is fixed now, we were just lucky enough to get our placement matches done when the bronze 5 glitch was happening 😭
I'm glad you pointed out the issues with Bronze. I've climbed out all three roles in Bronze. That was far harder than silver to gold.
I disagree that the system is "good" at estimating rank. It doesn't feel good to have a positive win rate around 65% and still sliding down in SR because every win was only averaging me 22.5 and every loss was 25.
How can you be Plat 4 for multiple seasons the game just came out and there was no such thing as Plat 4 in OW1. Don't lie it gets you nowhere.
@@LeDoomfistJames think you replied to the wrong comment, pal. The one below this one was claiming plat4 for 10 seasons
@@LeDoomfistJames plat 4 means around 2600 SR
How much you gain and lose has to do with mmr and the rating of the game you’re playing in, if you’re a 3200 diamond playing in an average of 4000 sr game, you will gain a lot of you win but not lose much if you lose, on the same hand if you were in a 2500 sr average lobby, you’d win little and lose a more since you are higher sr than most of the players you are playing against
@@LeDoomfistJames you commented on the wrong comment lol
I think it's also to force people to play more games. If you don't have a lot of time to play you can't say just grind up over several seasons. If you lose a bunch of SR every season reset, if you don't play enough games in a season, say 100. You won't even recover what you lost, let alone climb.
Greatly appreciated sir. I’m brand new to the game and am looking forward to trying out ranked once I get my 50 wins. Hats off to you for explaining something so complicated in a simple way. Cheers
Good luck competing with 5 years experience
Welcome to bronze my man 😆
@@Malice666- nice i cant say i jever tried rank
Don't let these guys get you down. As a somewhat new ow player, something I learnt was that most ow players in low ranks you see complaining about teammates are pretty dogsh*t. You will easily be able to rank to gold.
Thank you for explaining this! I had been so confused because I played Overwatch since it's initial launch and had always been around to Plat to low Diamond. I didn't play the game as much as I used to this past year but still was playing some comp leading into OW2. The game placed me in Silver 1 and I was so confused. But regardless, I was like "okay I will just roll people in these games". To my surprise the people I was playing with did not feel like silver at all. I was so confused, or suddenly the caliber of play shot WAY up lol. I actually hate this system because for someone like me who didn't understand, it actually discouraged me a bit and I had not even tried to grind out my second rank update yet. I guess I'll give it a try again.
This makes sense. I'll have to grind it out and see. Every season I placed plat and could never climb cause I could never truly hard carry, but I played consistent enough to always stay in plat. I placed Silver 3 in OW2 and was shocked, but this makes more sense. I'm hoping I can at least reach back to plat and improve along the way
I was plat on support and placed Silver 3, climbed pretty easily to Plat 5. I believe in you!
Yep just keep playing and you’ll climb
I've generally been around 2800-3200, got placed gold 5 and got back to plat 1 in 40~ wins. Now I'm at the wall again and it's exactly the same as it's always been I just don't know where I'm at to actually break through and touch diamond 5 and have to do the whole 7 wins / 20 loss breakpoint for my SR to actually update it sucks TBH.
I’ve been a plat player since season 28 (OW1). Ended up placing Gold 4 in OW2. Currently Gold 1 after winning another 7, and planning to keep going! :)
@@dazey856 I don't know it's till confusing me a bit. I'm a high gold low plat player usually. I got up to gold 3 and then won seven more games and stayed gold 3, didn't move up or down.
I totally took that copium last week. 28 wins after the patch, still bronze. But the copium was fun while it lasted
Thanks!!! As a returning player it has been a little confusing. This video ironed out all the shit i was confused about.
Plat player here, got placed in Silver 1. Climbing has been fairly easy so far, but there are some games where my team has gotten absolutely stomped.
More than once, I've gone to the enemy team's career profile, and there were players who were literally ranked Masters/GM in at least one other role, excluding what they were playing in my game, and clearly trying to rank up
It'd be different if it was a normal, proportional deranking, but as of right now it's a 50/50 on whether I'll get paired with players way above or way below my skill level. Hopefully, with enough time, things will balance out soon.
Update: Hit Diamond on support! Out of the metal ranks for the first time. Things finally started to even out around Plat 2, though still with a few of the aforementioned stomps here and there.
I'm guessing you feel plat stuck like me atm where games feel ether way to easy or way to hard and there's hardly any actual matches that go 3-2.
no wonder my team was gold plat while im hardstuck in masters.
I placed Silver 1 was 2800 Support last season, so far i'm Plat 3.
I'm feeling that the game forces 50% winrate on you, because the more games i won, more hard the games get until the point i get stomped 2~3 games in a row!
I was in gold and got placed bronze. Climbing from there took longer than getting from silver 4-gold 2.
I think one thing they could do is revert back to the old system for diamond and above or at least masters or above. People up that high probably don’t suffer from anxiety of the number going up and down as much as they understand how the ranking system works a lot better, and are players who are generally more competitively minded and care more about seeing the exact number, plus even if the number goes down after a game it’s still a big number (also knowing the number for potentially the best player in your friend group eliminates a good portion of the guesswork about who can play with whom).
Went 7-3 placements placed gold 3, wasn’t upset knew I would climb. However, i went about 21 wins 3 losses last night, climbed from gold to diamond with abt a 78% win rate. That’s a good 21 games I ruined simply because I’m a masters support player and was placed 3 ranks lower. In addition, all my future games in the diamond rank will be also relatively unfair just because of my previous rank. The ranked system is not the best imo
Ye lmao. I was placed silver 4 but after playing like 150+ games I end up sitting in Masters 2-3 Like dude... the game doesnt feels like masters yet checking people's last season which was OW1 they all fcking plat-dia but suddenly everyone is high masters WTF ?.
I mean I play well.. but I guess people that have climbed from bronze and are normally gold-plat they were placed aganst people a bit higher so they lost games but we gained a lot sr so that is the reason..
I don't really like this new system
i got placed silver 3 do to losing 9 games in a row since my team kept DCing day 1 my win rate is still fucked since i lost atleast 20 games so far to DCing or teammates DCing
I haven't played allot of comp so far, I'm wondering if I'll be able to climb fast as a 2700+ support and tank player. Got placed gold 5 on support, gold 3 on tank. Been playing a bunch of quickplay and been improving in understanding the game overall and when/how to have impact in ow2 Vs ow1.
I feel like the best solution is to make showing your SR as an option disabled by default. That way it sticks to the 1-5 ranking if you prefer seeing that, but also gives the option for a specific number to make queuing with friends easier.
I do like that there’s less emphasis on the number going up and down. (I don’t even know what my win rates are or how much I’ve played total because I have no stats for this season, even!) But, the competitive challenges are set up to reward you for *ending* the season at a particular rank, rather than rewarding you for the highest rank achieved that season. Previously, I think the only place where the end of season rank mattered was for Top 500. I feel like the end of the season is gonna be extra-weird, with a bunch of players sweating trying to get over the line to the next rank.
Just got up to diamond 5. As a low plat from overwatch 1, I am super proud
3 things from OW1 I want to return in OW2:
Portrait Borders Progression System
Credit Rewards for played Games
being able to endorse your opponents
Fire on portraits too :)
@@tamooz6649 Oh Yes! the On-Fire Display aswell!
Thanks man this helped a lot
I agree the new symbols look awful. Also I don't play comp atm because I don't want to deal with the stress of models jumping all over the place. The system not really changing a lot sucks but I feel the not so constant number up and down will truly benefit it but definitely needs fixes
So I got a question, it's a sort of scenario.
Imagine for a sec that there is a hero that cannot deal damage, cannot kill and cannot heal. But, on the flipside has some amazing kind of utility that if used right will result in a 100% win rate if your team can capitalize on it. How would that work out in an individual performance SR system?
Dying is also an important stat (a very important one)
Based on how well you used that utility, let me explain:
The characters that Is more close to that Is Mercy. If you think About It, Mercy can win a game having 0 damage. So, heal Is important in numbers but the Key ability Is dmgboost, dmgboost and ress can turn fights, so Number or ress, %of dmgboost and heals even damage amplified ( cause you could dmgboost in the wrong moments). Then how many deaths Is important ( this for every characters, but i fell that this number with supports Is even more important). Least but not last damage done/kills, cause sometimes your team can't finish a kill or you Need to defend yourself. A really Good Mercy would balance well DMG and heal having lets Say 60%/40% - 50/50 . She would DMG boost at the right moments, so per Say 2000 DMG amplified? ( That Number Is a Guess, cause i'm not the best Mercy and i do Always Little more than 1500 DMG amplified), at the same time She Will have a really Good ammount of heals per minute.
So what matters are the numbers that her kit provide. You can't expect a Mercy to have10000 damage, i've reached 1000 DMG in matches where i had to pull out the Blaster more than usual, but if you do more than that you are basically playing a full Battle mercy
@@Strap89 I think this is why I'm very skeptical that a performance based SR is actually working as intended. Because there's so much nuance to the game that stats alone do not indicate how good you are. How does damage boost affect ranking relative to another utility like sleep dart or speed boost? Does the system understand the difference between hitting a random roadhog with sleep dart vs hitting a nano blade genji? Can the system tell what a life saving speed boost looks like? All you did was explain utility, you didn't explain how SR calculate utility.
Performance SR seems like it simply wouldn't work given the complexity of the game and the diversity of the heroes.
@@iminumst7827 well, while the Number of sleeps alone can't Say much, the Number of assists and deaths Will . If your sleeps are good you Will die less and eventually have more assists, even if you hit good nades in the right moments this Will increase your assists. So, while the Number of DMG boost do not Say much itself, you Number of assist and DMG amplified combined with It says if It was effettive. Is not perfect right, It can't be but at least if you play the Hero Better than people in the same helo in therm of stats you Will have a small ammount of extra sr that Will make your loss less important or your wins even more rewarding. I mean there Is litterally no downside for this, Is not that performance are more important than win and loss, Is Just a small rewarding system.
To be honest, i'm ranking up pretty fast from bronze ( silver 1 currently), today i had a match impossible to Carry, i played Moira and in two round of push i got 12000 heal and 11000 damage, resulting being the top damage and heal of the match with also the most heals and less deaths of the entire lobby, we still managed to lose the game. If i get -20sr instead of -25sr due to my stats, to me this seems pretty fair.
I'm not even someone Who says Always that Is his teammates fault but there are some games where you pop but One of even more of your teammates are Just really underperforming or feeding hard and you can't do much About It. At least this Will reduce the frustration
@@Strap89 I'd say the most difficult ability to quantify by an automated system would be Mei's wall. If used at the right time and place it can win the game, a very poorly placed one tho... yeah... lets just say theres a reason Mei is hated. So I guess the only way to quantify it would be win-rate and her other stats; dmg, accuracy etc.
I find the climb working really well. I’ve been winning a lot more and I’m not sure if it’s the mentality but I’m a lot more confident in my abilities. I’ve normally ranked high silver but started b5 in ow2 for dps. No problem I’ll still check it out. 4 sets in and a couple of good mercy’s coming back to queue with me and I’m gold 3
Thanks for the lecture Professor Flats
Excellent explanation, thank you.
This totally worked for me tbh. I have much less ranked anxiety.
I've been super intimidated by going back into comp. I know everyone says "it's just QP" but my comp experience was just so toxic. EVERYTHING is about rank there. If you're not diamond plus you are treated like less than dirt. I've actually not done placements for like the last 10 seasons just so I don't have a rank on my profile. I've felt like doing it but every single time I think about it I remember how absolutely toxic the comp community is and just avoid it and go back to QP. EVERYTHING there is about rank and meta. If you don't play the meta, everyone treats you like shit. If you don't rank high enough, everyone treats you like shit. It's just not a fun experience.
Get better
Yeah, games these days can be so sweaty and toxic and it just doesn't feel fun sometimes. I feel ya, man. 😔😅 so much competitive and ESPORTS stuff is shoved down your throat these days too. I like competition every one and a while, but most of the time I just like to chill and not have to take things so seriously.
Not being able to see losses just because some people will get performance anxiety and not be able to get it up for ranked sure is interesting. I can’t deny it’s effectiveness in reducing peoples anxiety but makes it harder for those who are capable of handling the honest statistics and would like to be able to keep track of their performance without having to pull out a notepad or something just to try to record losses to manually calculate win percentage
This stuff is still very confusing. My friend who I have played OW1 with for the better part of 4 years now, finished last season as a lower Gold Tank on Xbox, now on PC he placed Bronze 5 and it took 35 wins to come out and rankup to just bronze 4, at this point we are climbing fine but its very weird and confusing how big of a hole it had put him in, and because he was in that weird hole at some point it stopped letting me play dps with him, even though when we both finished last season, his tank was higher than my dps. This has happened to most of the players I know, they finished last season around gold or higher and got placed bronze 5 while needing to win 7-21 times just to see some change. Most of the time the w/l is around 7-3 with some losing streaks in between.
The rank system feels very much like unrated and killing the competitive aspect. Seeing ranks fluctuate is important to keep the drive
One of the best changes they have made imo. It's really reduced toxicity and negative feelings of losing games for people. I have played ranked between gold and masters 3 in Overwatch 2 so far and everyone seems happier, more ggs
I agree. I've actually started playing ranked again after pretty much quitting on OW1. And QP is SO toxic now, ranked just feels better for me. Better attitude all round, way more teammates working together in VC and encouraging each other! :)
Placed Bronze 2 and got Gold 5 after 14 wins.
@@ElaraUmbra Hey congratulations!!!! That's a ridiculously big climb
Before OW2 landed my SR was somewhere between 2300 and 2400 which I believe is something like a solid middle gold. After winning most of my placements in OW2 I got placed in Silver 5. I'm not even sure what is actually happening. After playing some games and winning most of them I got moved to Silver 2 and now I am consistently getting match-ups with the opposing team being CONSIDERABLY better than us and I got like a huge (maybe 14-15 games) losing streak. I am playing a support and even though I feel like I could've probably performed better (maybe not my best games but not my worst either). It didn't feel like my teammates were able to handle the enemy team as well. Tanks constantly running out of line of sight, DPS sitting out in the open with a sign "shoot me" etc., etc. It felt like that even the system is based off of the old SR-MMR they have maybe touched something or maybe there is a huge influx of new accounts of better-than-me players which skews my point of view, or idk - something else. Thank you for the explanation Flats.
This makes allot of sense. I never understood how competitive sr worked in general. I used to be hard stuck silver and stopped playing comp because I couldn’t deal with the trolls in that rank. Still kept playing and getting better at the game. Decided to get back into comp, still dealt with a ton of trolls but climbed from bronze 1 to plat 5 with only a few rounds of placement. Looking forward to seeing where I’m actually ranked after doing some more!
I still do think that there was kind of a soft reset in lower ranks, too. I was high Plat last season and got placed in Silver 1 in Ow2.
I really like the hiding of SR, even though it makes things confusing. I didn't realize it before but seeing sr go down definitely caused anxiety. Like I would play and if I lost 2 games in a row, I'd just walk away. Now, I want to grind for those 7 wins and it doesn't feel near as bad to lose a game, it's like "ok next". Feels much better and I never realized I was experiencing that anxiety.
the biggest problem actually, was the SR going down and sometimes you feeling like you need to win 2 times just to be close to your original SR
Also the fact that it’s performance based means that if you lose because of shitter teammates you don’t feel like you’re being as punished for it. I think it’s much easier to climb from a mental standpoint now.
When you’re close to the next rank you don’t know who’s in your game so every game feels the same, you don’t know which player is the highest rank so none of that messes with your confidence. I really like it .
Definitely helps with mental so it’s one less variable that contributes to tilt, so overall better game performance
@@deluxebulls5939 It's a team based game, if your team plays like ass, it will ruin your performance regardless.
Thanks for the info . Been gone from Overwatch for like 3 years. Still trying to catch up to all the new stuff.
That was pretty good, thanks man.
went from 3000 sr season 36 to gold 2. took me 35 wins to get back to diamond, huge waste of time.
i won 7 and lost 2200 sr
Actually there is zero difference between Competitive and Unranked now. Might as will just merge them together and get rid of one or the other. There is nothing extra from playing ranked expect a gold symbol that really means nothing now. So in reality they got rid of the so called anxiety, but got rid of competitive play.
Too true
the performance sr boosts in placements have been around in every rank for sure, first time I got an alt account i was like high plat and that alt placed gold, basically every game after those placements my sr was going up and down by 100+
i was victime of the b5 bug, ngl it did sting from going to low plat to that.
but in two set of win im already silver and hopping to not stop before gold at least! (and i should point out that for the first set of win post fix, i was actually in a hard negative streak, wasn't too far from the 20 loss limit)
So does your mmr get affected by quickplay matches? Like can a gm just grind a bit on some noobs in quickplay to boost their mmr. Then play their placements?
can someone pls answer this question
They need to reintroduce having rank/SR, and levels shown to everyone in game
Does your MMR decay over time? I was Masters in like... idek what season anymore but VERY early on in the game. Dropped the game for a long time with randomly playing a couple games. Is that MMR gone? And is it considered for my per-class rank (dps/tank/supp) or my open queue rank?
Could the system work in the opposite way? Could the MMR drag down your SR gain for winning rankeds and increase the amount that is lost in losses? I am struggling to get out of bronze and I have had friends play the same games as me go up whole ranks when we go 7-1 yet I only go from bronze 3 to bronze 2. I am a new player so I dont think I am a god at the game but its frustrating to get less than others despite playing and winning the same games as them.
Apparently it is being fixed but going from Plat to Bronze was very irritating. Also, I wish I could see my MMR
Thank you, Flats. None of this was explained and I was worried when I ranked in low Gold when I was previously in low Diamond. 14 wins and I was back in mid Plat. As someone who has never played another competitive game, this was highly confusing. I also avoided ranked in ow1 due to SR anxiety and now I have no fear going into comp when I’m playing well. I’d say the hidden SR is working as intended in that aspect.
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From my personal experience, while still not mattering much, I don't think placements were starting flat at your previous sr. In season 35 I managed to end up in low diamond, but after winning 3/5 placement matches (positive winrate), I got placed 2 wins below it (~40 Sr). It still doesn't matter much, like I said, but I think you either get set back a bit or idk, maybe I lost way more Sr from the losses than I gained from the wins?
It's actually unclear whether rank tier is directly climbed/lost just by number of wins/lossed with a (mostly) flat amount of points earned per win/loss, or if it is actually based on an ELO system. Blizzard has said the tiers are equivalent to SR brackets, but that that may be more of an analogy. YourOverwatch seems to be under the impression that placement and progression in current ranked mode is based on ELO not on earning points per win or loss.
I love the new ranking system. No longer hyper focusing on my numerical rank has lead me to work on improving on my play. I have pushed significantly higher than i ever havw
I think the problem is that people tend to focus on the numbers instead of the actual game.. I honestly when I play like I dont give a F i actually win a lot of games.. but when I tend to care and try to win hard I always lose because i get frustrated easily..
Its a bit of a mental game there.
You should just not expect anything and just 'play' and whatever happens, happens.
lol this makes no sense
same i agree, when i tried to avoid looking at my sr in ow1 it had a positive effect on my overall improvement but its just so hard to keep it up when it's right there in your face all the time
Wow, I didn't even know what Rank-camping was. Shame because I'm clearly part of the problem. I got turned off from comp because I'd had too many games against people who were clearly a higher rank than I was and I'd just get curb-stomped. The new game has definitely helped. I've played more than I have in the last five seasons combined, and most of the games were pretty fair fights. There are still some frustrations, but this has been a step in the right direction I feel like.
Just to add, sometimes you can't play with your friends because of your hidden MMR not just your SR. OW1 sometimes had this too where you could literally see that you were within 1000 SR of each other but couldn't queue together. It didn't happen often and I presume that is because usually your SR and MMR are quite close. Because I saw this happen in OW1, I doubt they will change it for OW2. It would be great if they could be more transparent about the ranking system so we don't have to do so much guesstimating.
"Oh god this is going to me a much longer explanation than I intended" -Flats 3 mins into a 16 minute video
Dude you know a lot. Like other streamers have trouble communicating but you flow with your knowledge. Firm handshake to you sir flats.
The number moving every game was one of the primary reasons I didn't play competitive. It made every game significantly more stressful and heartbreaking.
Yeah but now you can win 7 games and go down in rank which is stupid
OW2 is DOA the fan boys will do anything but realize it.
@@Jb-db5kj the ranking system is exactly the same. So if you lose 10 games and win 7, you might lose a rank.
In the beginning people are climbing fast until they reach their old OW1 rank then the system is exactly the same. Their MMR is still the same. So a 2300 player is still going to end up in in Gold 2 after a few placements.
The fact that I need to win 14-21 games to know my actual rank(for the first Season at least) is the worst. I dont have that much free time man
Yeah thus makes sense. I was 2900 in ow1 before the update, after I did my placements i got gold 3. 7 wins later and it jumps me up to Plat 4
Toxicity plays a part in rank now too. And getting leaver status HEAVILY penalizes your placement results
That’s great
I like it so far, if you are good, it seems to move you up faster than in OW 1, for instance I moved up several ranks in one go from Bronze 5 to Bronze 1.
agreed
thank you flats!
They should just add a setting to turn off or on the ability to see your sr so people who want to know if they are doing good or not can and people who get worried can just be unaware by having it turned off
The skill level in my initial games seemed to fluctuate wildly - hadn't played much over the past year or so - but half the games felt kind of like what I remembered (plat-diamond) and the other half it felt like some of the players were just playing the game for the first time.
Yeah, I had anxiety when it came to playing comp. I only played comp every other season when I started playing because it freaked me out seeing my SR go down. Not seeing the SR I have, I’ve actually started playing more comp
I was a low masters player at the end of OW1, when OW2 launched I was placed plat 5. Games definitely still felt hard. Ranks in my matches go from high silver to low masters players. The one thing all of us had in common? We were all high diamond or low masters at the end of OW1. I had a set where I lost 7 games and won 7, I went from plat 2 to diamond 5. It feels whack but it'll adjust itself over time. The game definitely knows where you need to be, even if your division doesn't reflect that.
just to clarify because I think this was filmed before the recent developer update but the bronze placement thing was indeed a bug
The only reason I play more ranked now is because I am FORCED to play 7 games to see how good I am every single time. If I were shown that I was Bronze 6 losses ago I might not have forced my self to play 7 games just to win one more time, to fill out the damn Bingo Card
This plus being a tank player in ow1 having the fastest queue times to the slowest it's ass now I got a bunch of tank players in support and dmg cause the queue times and they underperform
@@bossanciso Is it just me or do you lose most of your bronze games cause your supports get a thrill out of watching people who are trying to help them win the game lose matches. I swear I've had a handful of mercy players that just refuse to heal me cause of something I said like get a grip of yourself
@@humblecanadian4206 don’t be mean next time🫳
I actually really like the new system reducing the sting of losing. It's a game at the end of the day, not a job. While I play the game seriously I do get anxious about seeing my rank go down especially after a match where I tried my best and still lost. Logically, I've always known that climbing the ladder is about the moving average, and you shouldn't worry so much about specific wins and losses, but when I don't have a lot of time to play 30 matches a day (where I would get a more intuitive sense of my average win rate), it's nice to have the game break up my wins/losses into these buckets for me.
so difficult to pay attention to the prof while terraria music playing in class :P ty for this explanation flats. loving ow2
im curious where you got all this infor because this is not what i was informed on. I was told your rating is based off how well you play a character based on everyone's stats that plays that character.
I was camping plat 4 for like 10 seasons in a row (im a tank main), now suddenly i started playing ow2 and having allot of fun, and i went from placing silver 3 to plat 1 and playing with people that are diamond 1 so honestly cant tell how this system actually works
Plat 4 for 10 seasons? OW1 didn't have plat 4
@@upsetti6404 2600 = plat 4 buddy
@@angxlzj Just say that then pal. OW1 didn't have tiered ranks, OW2 does, avoid confusion
@@upsetti6404 whatever dude
Whats the point of rank camping? Is it just for the ability to say your in x rank?
I just wish we could go back to the old system but giving players the option to hide their progress (and that could be default)
In match you would not be able to see any ranks, like today, but it you want you could see you number going up and down, otherwise you would only be notified when you got promoted or demoted
This system created so much more anxiety because I can't fucking tell where I am supposed to be and it feels busted af
Usually high diamond, dipping my toe into masters now and then. I got bronze 5, but got to plat on the first 2 days and back to normal the day after. Just feels bad playing against people you can tell are struggling tbh 😞
Except it wasn't just gm, i was plat won all 7 place 0 loss, place b5, won my next 7 lost 2, re eval bronze 5 won 7 lost 1 re eval bronze 5 again. the newest patch fixed my issue cause now im silver 2, 3 sets of 7 later
3 sets of seven to get too silver 3 is really slow. You are either getting hard carried or your account is fucked 😭
@@bluecoat2033considering bronze 5 is the absolute lowest and silver 3 is mid silver. Going up that same SR up back in OW1 in probably 40 games (assuming slightly over 50% win rate) is actually really good.
@@bluecoat2033 I’m doing about 20k damage and 40+ kills every other match so idk
@@daburgerking5996 I’ve won 49 games lost 18
I'll be honest, this new system doesn't make me scared to play comp anymore. Now that I no longer see my SR go up and down, these games legit just feel like a casual game to me with no risk of losing. I'll just be like, "Dang, I lost. Maybe next game"
As a new player I'm having a lot of anxiety cause I'm not sure where I'm going to land in ranked, still have to get my 7 wins. In this game ranked feels like a totally different experience then in quick play. It feels like in quick play I actually play good together with randoms but when I go on ranked it feels like everyone is everywhere and it's not clear on how the objective will be done.
coz everybody is chillin is casual and isn't gonna freak out if they lose so they perform the best
I used to comp camp because of fear of losing. I was a diamond support and this season I was placed plat 4, I’ve climbed to play 2 so far and I hope I can keep up motivation to continue playing comp
I play a lot of Quick Play. I use it to practice the game until I feel confident enough for ranked. I don't always take it seriously. You're telling me QP games where we get absolutely rolled because I'm not hitting anything with Widow will affect my MMR, and in turn where I end up in comp? Do I need to start treating every game mode I play like SR depends on it?
I placed Silver 3 and climbed my way up. I was Plat 5 and when I lost my 20th game this season, it didn’t drop me one *tier* down to Gold 1, it dropped me one *DIVISION* down to Gold 5. That seems strange to me. Granted, when I won another game or 2 it sent me from Gold 5 straight to Gold 1, but it seems weird to me to go from ~2500 to ~2000 with one change.
I might prefer it that way. In OW1 the grind was annoying as hell
If they used the exact same system but just with hidden sr this mean the leaver bug still happen and you shouldn't leave a match after the no loss timer ends.
Now we just need a video about how your hidden MMR is affected by your hero performance/statistics.
I'm a Diamond lvl player from ow1, and am struggling to get out of silver and gold. Sometimes my rank goes nowhere, even though I consistently play well and even carry in several games. It sucks that wins matter more than individual skill because just one person or a bad team can cost you a match.
I think they need to lean more into the new system. Update every time you change tier, and have the ability to play together be based on them as well
I finally made it to gold in the last season of OW1. I am so nervous to do comp because if I see that I am back in bronze, I will be so demotivated I don't know if I would even want to go at that grind again.
I wish it took into account your individual stats. It placed me bronze 5 in healer. Many of my losses were playing with (probably new) people who don’t understand NOT staggering, tanks that don’t understand creating space, etc.
I mean full games of once the spawns are off, there’s a single death every 15 seconds for the entire length of the match. DPS spawns, runs and dies. I’ve had tanks that will stand outside of the point, and just NEVER go to the point.
We’ll get a loss and I’ll have 15k heals and 7k damage, barely die bc I’ll fall back once it’s 2v5, etc but it’s still a loss.
I’m not great at the game, but it seems like unless I play with at least 2 friends, I’m stuck on a never ending staggering team or a tank that won’t push at all, or a dive tank that never comes back for heals.
Or I’ll get a team that works together and we completely steam roll the other team. There’s been very few close games, or games where both teams seem to understand how OW is played.
The TLDW;
Ranked has a background rating for where players are in the ranking system [SR] and a hidden player rating [MMR] for them individually.
Points are awarded to your SR relative of that to your MMR.
If you're below your MMR with SR you'll be awarded more points and lose less.
If you're Above your MMR in SR you'll be awarded less points and lose more.
Ranks did not reset for OW2 they just hid your SR.
So your actual ranking in placements will be your previous SR from OW1 + points for 7 wins / 20 losses.
With the soft reset people are being pushed back by about 1000sr.
However, it will not take you as long as someone new climbing to get back there, as your MMR will still be at that level rewarding you with more SR per win and less SR lost.
It gets more confusing as the bracket for being able to play with other players is about 1 division above or below, but this is calculated with SR not Division rank.
An 800 Bronze player is not treated the same as a 1000 Bronze.
If your SR is 800 and your friends SR is 1850 you will not be able to play together even though by logical of the division system you're Bronze and they're Silver.
This is because the range of SR between you is too big, even though you're both classed as being in ranks that can play together.
This new system is way more forgiving. Got masters for the first time and I've been playing since June 2016.
I had the opposite problem I was lucky enough to make it to Masters for a couple a seasons somewhere in the teens seasons, but now my SR or MMR is stuck there mostly for my role queue. And without throwing peoples game I couldn’t play OW role queue anymore because it never reset and I wasn’t that skilled. I’m trying now but still can’t play tank or support with my friends. Will I just have to lose those twenty games on those to get a reset?
What thing I’m confused about will I get my competitive points for each rank of each role, so if I get silver on dps, healer, and rank will I get triple silver comp point rewards PLUS the rewards for open queue?
So when I got put in Bronze 5, I started keeping notes between matches. I went 7/4 in my placement for Tank. 7/5 to Bronze 3. 7/4 to Bronze 1. 7/9 to Silver 4. 7/3 to Silver 3.
Now if we assume that win/lose is still the measure and performance plays a small roll in boosting you, I still have some questions about why my rank jumped 2 each time until my best set of 7/3, which my notes say two losses were from leavers during the second round despite full pushing in one first round and defending at 1 point in the other first round. Also had a leaver on my team in one of the wins where we had to push 2 and 1/2 points down a damage.
That last set was easily my best performance personally as well. With several team kills, 4/7 wins and 1/3 loses having PotG. I also had the largest increase in my stats during this set. Yet seemed to rise in rank the least.
My question is why? I know I’m no GM but I used to be high plat/low diamond, more recently I was fighting my way through silver and gold in solo queue after a two year break. Is this seeming slow down due to catching back up to my previous general rank?
What about old Overwatch 1 players that stopped playing before they introduced role queue? Their MMR is the same for all roles?
This is super complicated. For example, a friend of mine was a silver tank player. He played 3 heroes in his last season in OW1. Zarya with a 81% win rate, Sigma with a 69%, and Ball with a 74% win rate. He played about 30 hours of comp. Every win averaged 12 SR gain, and every loss was between 35-75 SR drop. Is this their system attempting to skew his sr closer to mmr? How does that make sense or make a balanced true competitive experience? Wouldn’t it also be true that if you have a positive win rate against a certain rank you would be better than that rank right? TLDR: blizzards competitive mode is confusing and I don’t understand rankings still.
Worked on me I didn’t play rank at all gave me anxiety but now I’m able to play ranked even if before I didn’t care what rank I got the numbers gave me a weird sense of loss