Cis Woman, Trans Woman, Womanhood, Periods, Jess Hilarious, Ts Madison
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- čas přidán 28. 08. 2024
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The past 2 weeks have been very tense when it comes to the discord between Black woman and the trans community. Everybody has got something to say. A trans woman got online and said that cis women are not the gatekeepers to periods and womanhood, then all hell broke loose. Jess Hilarious was one of the first major personalities to respond. From there, other popular voices like TS Madison and Angelica Ross have joined the conversation.
Whew chile... It's all been to much. I hope throw my own education, evolution, and this video, we can begin to broker some peace!
#jesshilarious #tsmadison #transwomen
Women from other communities have also a problem to be called "cis". It's not only black women.
You know black men always think that black WOMEN are overreacting, reaching, and having an attitude… Funky being a gay man doesn’t negate him from this. There are TONS of women, of all races, that have a problem with this.
Exactly! Oh how they conveniently forget the many non black women who have been out here windmilling! Didnt we have this conversation about Nikita dragon saying trans women are better than real women just last year? A WHOLE non black woman? Hmm what about Flame Monroe? 👀 ...
FACTS! 1st time I even heard this Cis argument it was coming from a Karen-type female.
Women from other communities DO have issue with the other "terminology" (birthers, feeders, bonus holes, etc.) that are being thrown out and used in society. They want to get rid of the term MOTHER. This IS crazy!!
Like where is he getting these metrics from!
I don’t think most black women want to see a Trans woman get hurt or assaulted. We just are sick of the disrespect.
This is 100% correct
Dassit
When was the last time trans killed a real women
Ion want to see nobody get hurt especially if the marginalized and getting their rights taken away just like me. This a sore subject for all of us tbh because like we not even tryna fight bout this Fr. I love trans women I respect them, I validate them I just feel like we all have to respect each other. The respect they asking for is the same respect they should give us tbh and majority of them do a good job respecting us. Mind you call me a biological woman a cis woman doesn’t bother me tbh.
Exactly
I’m a gay man and I agree with Jess. We can’t demand people call us by our preferred terms and then force terms onto others. Respect is a two way street. A woman is a woman. That’s just basic biology and logic.
Thank you
Exactly not sis I’m FEMALE period!!! It’s what GOD and biology 🧬 said…
Yall don't understand the biology part only refers to male/female. Trans women are also women. I won't call a woman cisgender in daily life but when having intelligent Trans discussions, the term has to be used to differentiate.
Thank you
This is exactly what I keep saying. If you want me to respect you, respect me.
It's not just a period or a vagina. It's an intricate system with a very significant purpose. It's a uterus, fallopian tubes, ovaries and a cervix. It brings us pleasure and pain. Those of us that suffer with menstrual cramps, endometriosis, fibroids, PCOS etc . . . really go through it. However, it is what a woman lives with to bring life over and over and over since the beginning of time. And to hear this being minimized by someone who has not experienced it is VERY frustrating. It should be revered and respected. That is why that particular video was so offensive to women.
FACTS!!! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Straight women have been disrespecting gay folks for centuries calling them every name their is in the book etc. now the chickens has come to roost . "CIS WOMEN " is OUR KARMA the UNIVERSAL LAW HAS FINALLY HIT. And I am a straight woman a 75 year old straight woman
So many things from diet to hormones affect it also, so it is definitely being diminished to say "bleeding person" or person who bleeds, its so much more than that.
@SeventiesLeo Speak on it. There is so much that is being diminished. Like we really could have used this energy for awareness for these things.
As a gay man of color, I have always respected and revered biological women. For T.S. Madison to make light of a women's reproductive system was appalling. T.S. a trans-woman was doing what men have been doing forever, reducing women to body parts and bodily functions. T. S wouldn't want to be reduced to reproductive parts or bodily functions, so why rant so disrespectfully about women's reproductive organs and bodily functions, particularly menstruation. There is no competition on who has been murdered and treated horribly by the patriarchal society. Both women and trans-women have been, bullied, attacked and murdered just for being who they are, especially black biological females. Please stop attacking our biological female allies. Being disdainful of their plight is selfish, callous, and just plain sexist!!
Honestly, this is not a black women thing. I see women of all races talk about this issue.
But yall are the MOST BOTHERED
We're not the only ones bothered! We're the ones talking while they're creating laws against using the bathroom, banning drag shows, etc.
@@Lynn_-qx8cr I SAID YALL ARE THE MOST BOTHERED. Not the ONLY ONE BOTHERED.
@@Lynn_-qx8cr see how you tried to flip my words and the facts are in ya face..
@Lynn_-qx8cr exactly. Other races don't talk, they enact laws. Now, I heard the Olympics is making a separate lane for the Trans community. So no, we are not the only ones bothered.
Honestly, most women want to be left alone! Every time we turn around somebody has something to say about how we live, what we do, how we feel, what we've been through, how we talk, walk, eat, bodies built, have babies or not, and so much more. We just want to be left alone. Its exhausting.
This!!!
This comment !!! ❤❤❤❤
This is definitely how I'm feeling
Thats what I said on IG lastnight, like LEAVE US TF ALONE and do you! Why do you have to tell us how to feel, what to say, what not to say, how not to feel to do ya thing? Its because deep down they know DNA will always prevail.
Let us the f alone!!! We left you alone to live our best soft lives. We want to be moisturized!! And safe!!! Not talk about proving something we are made aware of daily.
As a biological woman I wish trans women understood that being a woman has nothing to do with hair makeup breasts hips thighs legs... It is the thoughts and the experiences that we have growing up as a little girl and going into teenage years dealing with insecurities and discovering who we are and flourishing into the full beauty of being a woman.
It is the experience that biological women go through that trans women will never understand nor experience.
Preach 🙌🏾
Very very true
Yesss exactly!!!! Womanhood is not an aesthetic.
@FullofSouthernCharm Sweetie BOTH genders have insecurities, males have insecurities about penile size, acne, muscle mass, height, voice depth etc. Stop acting like women are the only people on earth that experience insecurities, your not
the beauty and ugly of what we go through to get to a grown woman. That's mentally and physically
As a stud lesbian, I noticed that my Trans Male friends don't express demands on biological males for acceptance. It seems to be overwhelming drama with Trans Female and bio women. Im gay and im a natural woman and im not changing my language or nothing about me to suit a trans woman. I love yall so join us but dont try to change whats natural for us just to fit in. Naw we not doing that... I love em all 🤷🏾♀️...Lawd This shyt got my head hurting 😂
They can’t transition the misogyny and male entitlement out of themselves.
this is what i try to explain to people.
Exactly!
Researchers using brain scans have found new evidence that biology-and not environment-is at the core of sexual orientation. Scientists at the Stockholm Brain Institute in Sweden report in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences USA that gay men and straight women share similar traits-most notably in the size of their brains and the activity of the amygdala-an area of the brain tied to emotion, anxiety and aggression. The same is true for heterosexual men and lesbians. This is yet another in a long series of observations showing there's a biological reason for sexual orientation," says Dean Hamer, a molecular biologist at the National Institutes of Health (NIH), who was not involved in the study. "It's not just a reflection of people's behavior, nor is it a choice, nor is it something in their rearing environment. [The study] shows that it's something that people are born with."
@@Dr-386 Researchers using brain scans have found new evidence that biology-and not environment-is at the core of sexual orientation. Scientists at the Stockholm Brain Institute in Sweden report in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences USA that gay men and straight women share similar traits-most notably in the size of their brains and the activity of the amygdala-an area of the brain tied to emotion, anxiety and aggression. The same is true for heterosexual men and lesbians. This is yet another in a long series of observations showing there's a biological reason for sexual orientation," says Dean Hamer, a molecular biologist at the National Institutes of Health (NIH), who was not involved in the study. "It's not just a reflection of people's behavior, nor is it a choice, nor is it something in their rearing environment. [The study] shows that it's something that people are born with."
Trans men are chill af. The loudest and most controversial Trans women have that masculine“take over” spirit and hyper competitiveness.
because TransMen just exist, they dont' fight to be validated the way some trans women do.
Trans men don’t want to start none with biological men because they know that’s a fight they won’t win. This difference in and of itself gives major credence to the difference naturally born women are espousing. Born male energy is just that, and clearly doesn’t leave once one transitions.
That is why it's hard to take them serious as transwomen, because they might change their appearance but the mindset remains male identified.
Because at the core- they are STILL male on female hormones. No one has an issue with you wanting to be whoever you feel you are. But DO NOT come for me as a woman.
@@jaytruth6503and yet black women are masculine as well but you all want other people to treat you with respect and not like a second class citizen. It is about respect and not looking down on another marginalized group especially when they are black just like you. Out of everything y’all have been through for generations (in the work space, different economic statuses, different countries) you would think y’all would be some of the most compassionate and empathetic but you are quite hateful especially when it deals with the LGBTQ community.
I’m a woman. Respect me as such. I show that same respect to all. I have never used Cis. Just woman. And trust me, periods are not at the top of our list. But it’s on our list. I don’t want to be going through menopause, but I am. That is on our list. That needs to be understood. There is enough space for all of us to exist in.
Hey cis
@@LyricSnoweAnd there is always one🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️
@@LyricSnowe hey troll
Ignore him...
Listen take these cotdamm periods we don’t want em 🗣️🗣️🗣️😂😂😂😂😂😂
As a woman, I draw the line at LGBTQ community trying to label me as a cis woman. I am a woman. And if you want me to respect your assertions and positions you need to respect ours.
Cisgender
@@tiffanysmith9097men
@@tiffanysmith9097Abomination
@@tiffanysmith9097 never be a woman
We women REJECT the term “Cis”, we’re WOMEN. If you are Trans & you wanna refer to us as “Cis”, then we will refer to you as the gender you were born.
When Funky asked "What have you lost ", the laundry list came to mind..
1.Breastfeeding is now Chestfeeding
2. Women are now Cis Women
3. Motherhood is now birthing person.
4. Women's restroom are now shared.
And so on. We just want the ability to exist without being stripped of who we are to pacify others.
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Lol at "chestfeeding" wow I never heard that one 😂😂. They try so hard. Poor little tink tinks.
@@wanda01141 Researchers using brain scans have found new evidence that biology-and not environment-is at the core of sexual orientation. Scientists at the Stockholm Brain Institute in Sweden report in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences USA that gay men and straight women share similar traits-most notably in the size of their brains and the activity of the amygdala-an area of the brain tied to emotion, anxiety and aggression. The same is true for heterosexual men and lesbians. This is yet another in a long series of observations showing there's a biological reason for sexual orientation," says Dean Hamer, a molecular biologist at the National Institutes of Health (NIH), who was not involved in the study. "It's not just a reflection of people's behavior, nor is it a choice, nor is it something in their rearing environment. [The study] shows that it's something that people are born with."
1. Breastfeeding is now chestfeeding because Trans men or non binary people are having children as well...that example and the others you cited are also about being inclusive, not exclusive.
@nikkihancock1434 Correct biological WOMEN have always had children and have always had the option of feeding them with their BREASTS. If a person is Trans or non binary, then be just that. I'll continue to breastfeed.
I ain’t even start the video and I’m already bracing myself for these comments. As a male, I will say that enough women have stated their disdain with the word CIS and That’s enough for me. I don’t need to rationalize it, they don’t like it so I won’t use it. 🤷🏾♂️ aight I’ll be back after I watch the video lol
Thank you, it’s really just that simple
Thank you
They want people to respect them but they seem very disrespectful at least the very vocal ones
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Exactly 💯
IM A WOMAN, PERIOD! NO MAN CAN TELL ME ANY THING ABOUT WOMANHOOD
Period.
PERIOD!
PERIODDDDD
Say it! 📢
@@arymat9979 😂 I love the speaker emoji
One correction- it's not just a black woman issue. I've seen plenty of other women specifically white woman who also have the same sentiment. But because we are in our social groups and media algorithms push similar content you may only be getting black voices/ perspective.
Exactly! That’s what they are ignoring. If they expanded their media views outside of the black community more then they’ll see how others find issue with it as well. Look at the anti gay/trans laws they’re trying to enact. That’s not black women spearheading that
Ikr - how about JK Rowling?!
Exactly!
@@divake22This the comment I was looking for. People been trying to cancel J.K. Rowling for years over her comments. Even trolling complete strangers just for playing Hogwarts Legacy. It was a whole thing! Add to this Matt Walsh and his content, the talks in YT conservative Christian evangelical circles… everybody is talking and many hold similar positions as Jess. That’s the real tea. And anyone who says or thinks otherwise is living in an echo chamber.
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I appreciate this conversation. I’ll also add that forcing Claudia and other women to over explain themselves comes directly from male privilege. Women, especially black women, are constantly invalidated. Black women are invalidated by literally everybody. It can be very exhausting and also sad, especially coming from someone who’s supposed to be an ally.
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Straight women have been disrespecting gay folks for centuries calling them every name their is in the book etc. now the chickens has come to roost . "CIS WOMEN " is OUR KARMA the UNIVERSAL LAW HAS FINALLY HIT. And I am a straight woman a 75 year old straight woman
It's been days and until they have a discussion regarding...Laverne cox, cherry, ts Madison, Angelica ross and especially the original person who started this...I'm done listening to all of these folks
And Transwomen are constantly invalidated as well. So what exactly is ur point?? The evidence is all through these comments.. About what they will never be ... In all honesty u believe transgender ppl don't know what they're born biologically?? Yet so many are hard pressed to keep reiterating it.. Not for any other reason than to debunk their existence... What is this the oppression Olympics? Y'all don't even think before u type. Discrimination can happen to anyone regardless.. U want respect but don't give it in return.. Is beyond problematic on both sides. Trans and we biological women
And u Want someone to be any ally but don't want to be one in return?? Make it make sense
I’m a gay male and I would never call a woman “cis” anything….. you have that right to be called a Woman PERIOD‼️
And you earned the right to not be called fag etc.
Cis... Means... Biological women...!!! Gay man who the biological women read for days !!! 😂😆😃
I don’t think no one necessary “CHOOSE” to be gay nor straight. You have to look at it as sin. Murders don’t choose to be murders. Liars but want to be liar. Same with thieves and other. NONE OF US ARE PERFECT. We ALL were born of sin. We are tasked to try and suppress our sins. That’s why there’s a judgement day
Thank you! ❤
Gay Males really don't have a place in this conversation
I came back after watching your video to say that, I have done my research and there has been outrage about this in TikTok from some time now and a lot of other races have been heavily speaking about it. Jess Hilarious was just the first black celebrity to speak on it and now it’s an outrage with us. So yes White Women, black Women, Asian women, women from other countries are all upset about the period situation, not jus black Women.
Thank you! They want us to be jealous and angry so bad. Smh it's pretty sad
Exactly, other races don't even like having all gender bathrooms. White women be going on and on about how uncomfortable it is
Y'all have to remember he is a man... So misogyny will taint his opinion... And of course you know it's always a woman's fault.
Yes!!!! Women all over are frustrated that trans women are coming into spaces that are for bio women taking over. This is by far a black woman issue. I love you FD but more research should’ve been done about other races and their stance on this subject matter.
Yes! I don't understand why black women are being made the face of this outrage.
Black women are DEFINITELY not the only ppl upset about the “cis” conversation. It’s out there I work with PLENTYYYY. but black women get the blame for speaking up. It’s wild.
Exactly! Black so men are the brave ones enough to speak up. Notice how it took Jess speaking up for everyone to couple out in support, women have been made afraid to speak out.
Noted white woman JK Rowling feels the same way. White progressive Ana Kasparian stays getting dragged. Let some trans people tell it, it’s *only* the white gays and lesbians who feel this way. This is across racial, class, and sexual orientation.
I’m a lesbian and I got sick of this years ago. The trans movement has not only made homophobia acceptable, it has made it a tenet of justice and tolerance. These trans women say that lesbians who won’t suck their d*cks are transphobic and that we need to try it so that we can give them a chance. Remember when it was acceptable a few years ago to tell lesbians that we should try d*ck? Well, now we are the bad guys for saying hell no. Guess what? I don’t care. I am not going to adopt their bizarre terms like “girl dick,” “transbian,” or whatever. If I’m transphobic because I will not sleep with one, I’ll be that.
Do not call me “CIS” because you are uncomfortable using the term “woman”! I’m with Jess!!!!!
Call them Transvestite’s or cross dressers period.
It’s a little deeper than just being called CIS, it’s fish, a breast feeder, birthers, etc. Also with trans men I don’t think they enter men’s spaces & tell men or act as if they are better or can do it better then men. It feels as if trans women are in competition with women & present as if they are the creators of everything woman.
Have you ever been called a breastfeeder or birther ever and if so was it in person?
You are correct because my trans men friends never act this way. I see them as men without any competition.
Obviously trans men aren't as aggressive to enter male spaces duhh. Men are cutthroat women arent
Ooh ya, I do not like the “fish” reference. It’s very insensitive and a mockery to call a woman that
@MaryLou913 that is becoming a norm reference in the holistic medical field. In doula/midwife studies, the term birthing person and chest feeding is being encouraged for inclusion
As a non-American (I’m African) who has been watching this bubbling in America from the outside for years, the first people to speak out against it were white women. The JK Rowlings of the world for example were the first to be cancelled for speaking the truth. White men have even spoke up, Matt Walsh made a whole movie about it called what is a woman. I have been wondering when black women would wake up and I’m glad y’all did. I’m proud of African American women for finally standing up for themselves. Hold the line sisters, do not yield. Everyone has been trying to erase you for so long, it’s about time you said No!
I can tell you why black women were the last to speak up...
Black women know what's it's like to be oppressed and marginalized. And do not wish to oppress or offend ANY group. But after a certain point, it seems as though our support has been turned around and slapped in our face. In America, black women struggle enough, and we really don't have the time to argue about this. But again, it's turning disrespectful
Exactly! He was definitely reaching on this one
Matt Walsh is deplorable.
@@nishashawn2021 mmmm I felt that. Thank you for sharing that and I get it. I will say though that your support of any other group more often than not, has been thrown in your faces. I was so disheartened to hear Funky say that you never open any spaces to trans and gay people when you were the most vocal in support of them on all social media platforms and marching and putting your bodies on the line. African American women are ALWAYS on the front lines and now everyone is mute when you are the ones fighting for your mere existence. It doesn’t have to affect him because his gay black experience doesn’t affect you because (I assume), you’re not gay but you will fight for him but when it comes to you, he needs a nuanced conversation to even begin to have a thought about it let alone fight for you.
It’s been so amazing and heart warming to watch y’all come together and be so courageous. I hold you all in my heart and in my prayers, because it’s a lot!
@@khayzee62Thank you for that, sis!! This was one of the dopest comments made!✊🏾🦸🏾♀️
I disagree with Q about Black women being new to having to defend our identity. Black women do get attacks on our womanhood from every direction. However, Black women’s identities/womanhood has been attacked since slavery in this country. We have been told for generations that we aren’t women. Sojourner Truth literally wrote a speech called “Ain’t I a Woman?”
That's the problems women shouldn't be disrespected just to please someone else narrative of who they wants to be .
Thank you! Everyone is missing this point, the attacks on the femininity of black women has historical roots and people are just glossing over this.
Exactly, well throughout time have had to defend our identity
@@TheSandramae25 Yep, so needless to say there is a reason why Black women are more sensitive. Also, let's not forget white and Asian women may not be as sensitive, but we also don't see their trans women disrespecting them
@@dcet30 the conversation with trans women may be new, but not the attacks on Black women's womanhood
Ppl always need a reason to support/show up for us, while we as BW are on the front lines (no questions asked). Pay attention BW, we have to stop being so quick to support/show up for others who force us to beg/explain why we deserve common decency, consideration & respect.
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As a LATINA WOMAN I agree with everything Claudia said. I don't appreciate everything connected to being a woman being changed in name to accommodate the FEELINGS of the Trans community. What about our feelings? Bonus holes, chest feeding, etc. I don't want to be called cisgender woman. Doesn't that refer to my choice of sexuality not my gender? Just asking?
Cis gender just means that you identify with the gender you were given at birth. Some don’t and change that, making them trans women. Y’all be forming opinions without knowing the vocabulary and that’s why both sides don’t get eachother
I agree! We should've never allied with them as much as we did. Real men don't have these issues with trans men. Only trans women want to impose themselves onto real women. It's enough already. I can no longer support them. I have no desire to. They should've respected what they desire to emulate.
I'm a mother, do not call me cis period!!!
Yes. And don’t have a nerve to call me a “bleeder” either. How dare you. It’s the audacity of it all. This isn’t at all about color.
And this is exactly why we REJECT it when they try to call us “Cis”. We don’t accept that. We’re WOMEN. If they wanna call us “Cis” then we’ll call them the gender they were born as.
Womanhood and trans-womanhood are two totally separate things. They are not similar, one has nothing to do with the other. They are vastly different experiences. No woman has ever been a boy... thats unique to transwomen. We are NOT the same, nor are we similar.
Exactly!
Apparently saying this makes us bigots loll
But at the end of the day womanhood is socially constructed making it a non natural thing …. Hence why there is a womanHOODand trans-WomanHOOd. Being female is what makes you “different” so in theory. What’s the argument really about?
Facts
You have to understand that the body does'nt determine who you are these women that people are calling trans-women are real women in spirit they just happen to have been born with a male body and some of them are born with two sex
Trans men and men get along cause they don’t want to take over the community and it’s respect from both sides. Trans men know their role and they don’t try to step in a space they don’t need to be.
Can I like this a 1000 times
That part!
I think it’s because trans men are women (we can’t change biology) and women are more likely to go along to get along whereas men (aka trans women) are more domineering and want to take over spaces.
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Exactly
Being called “a person who bleeds” is RIDICULOUS. I have PMDD which is extreme pms. I’ve battled to stay alive (it makes you want to unalive yourself around our period times because of the crazy hormones around having a cycle) around my cycle. I have a period. Being called that diminishes my battle and it’s been a battle.
Praying for you. I was unaware of this health issue. I'm glad you have support.
@@Sevenfigure_sista I’m glad you don’t know about! Fr fr
Me too...PMDD is no joke...
😢😢😢 I also battle with PMDD I've lost children do to irrational behavior ( angry,emotional) my mom had to intervene 🙏🏽 I would go off destroy my life and two days later my cycle hit 😒 finally I went to the doctor and got diagnosed
@@lisac6399 my love goes to you and your family ❤️
I’m not being combative but my TikTok feed is full of woman of all colors complaining about this whole transgender conversation. I promise it’s not just black women
Facts. I've seen numerous videos of women from different races, speak on this, and they feel the same way. Who do you think are creating laws banning sharing of bathrooms , drag shows, and now allowing for instance transwomen, to compete in women sports. So no, it's not just a black women issue
He knows that. He just can't hide his disdain for BW.
Funky I honestly believe that the reason you don’t see straight men having an issue with trans men or masculine presenting women is because by nature women adapt and assimilate to their surroundings. Trans men and masculine women aren’t telling men how to be a man, what is manhood or trying to impose what they think or believe manhood should be. They become part of the community they are joining, there by adapting their norms and practices so there isn’t a reason for push back there. Then you have trans women saying things like women can’t gate keep womanhood and periods. That terms such as “people who can give birth, or chest feeders” should be used because there are trans men who can give birth as well. Women absolutely can gatekeep womanhood as were in the midst of fighting for it daily. Women are mad because till this day we are fighting to have complete agency over our bodies. And we have been fighting, especially black women, for trans right because we know the rate at which they are killed. And then hearing a trans woman say something like we can’t gatekeeper womanhood and periods, while we are fighting for us and you may piss off black women at a rate that a man will never understand.
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Bingo
This is 💯 correct
Exactly!
The World has gone crazy! What a bazar issue to be addressing when the government is trying to erase the black experience from the face of the earth! An attempt to erase black people from the history of America is happening right now and the biggest threat to our race is who owns a menstrual cycle, breast-feeding, etc! How asinine is that?!
We shouldn’t have to compromise. We are women. Period.
Exactly
What is there to compromise? It is what it is.
We are not gonna compromise! Bottom line we bare life , hear us roar, I am A WOMEN! And we absolutely love it. Unapologetic. No explanation. Except Yourwelcome. 😊
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@@jaykay6411 right. It's facts.
“Women are not the gatekeepers of womanhood” is perhaps the most patriarchal BS I’ve ever heard.
The issue is not only biological women being labeled as ‘Cis’. We’re now being forced to have transwomen who are biologically male in women’s sports, prisons and spaces. Despite the biological and physical advantage men have over women. We’re seeing transwomen dominate swim teams yet the same cannot be said for transmen in male sports (why is that?).
Most of us women are very accepting but this has now come at our own detriment. We can no longer speak about
our own real life experiences without some transwomen trying to insert themselves and calling it ‘transphobic’ as a means to shut down any meaningful conversation. That same need to dominate and conquer that men have is still very much present in transwomen and we do not see this in trans men (they wouldn’t dare try to redefine manhood or force themselves on their spaces).
Furthermore, removing gender and sex (which are inextricably linked) outside of the context of USA. Women in some African countries are being mutilated for the very basic fact that they’re women.
So while everyone has the right to live their life as they please we cannot deny the reality of gender/sex. Everyone needs to respectfully of each others spaces and real life experiences.
FYI, White women have been VERY vocal about this, not just in the USA.
We need to boycott trans women in women spaces.
Exactly
@@aliciajoyner7699white/Asian women are only vocal in sports only 🥴
I have heard what Claudia expressed by numerous women especially white woman.
I love your comment ❤
As an African American woman, I have been an advocate for alot of groups, I have an issue with having my rights stepped on by the very people Ive advocated for.
Tell me who you advocated for that is now hurting you.
What rights????? The ones white old men are taking as far as reproductive rights..
Same here
Thank you!💐💐💐👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾❤️
Well you need to take that up with ur local Senator and not here!!
I am not defending the fact that I was born a woman to someone who wasn’t. If you were born with female reproductive organs wether they function properly or not, you are a woman and because of that own womanhood. I am not cis, I am a woman not because I identify as 1 but because I am. I respect whatever everyone else identifies with. As a black woman, we cannot catch a break.
But why is it an argument???? It’s straight telling gays and trans that they wasn’t born with these feelings and that’s the problem
And that’s the truth they want diluted. Stand up for this is an agenda that will only destroy.
@@irocemrockett1118we didn't start the argument though. BW in general don't care what everyone identifies as, and we tend to be very supportive. We just want to be respected as WE identify, because we feel this erasure going on and its not right. Transwomen can be themselves without beating us down as natural born women, just like black men can be with women of other races without talking shit about black women. Thats the sentiment.
Exactly @TamaraAWhite
You big dummy. Someone calling you cis is still calling you a biological women. It’s not a slur and no one is calling you that outside of these stupid convos
As a collective- black women were the first to accept gay men and tran individuals which equates to "we created a space for you" is my understanding
Literally straight women were apart of the ballroom scene when it really grew and developed during the Harlem Renaissance. It’s well documented and even referenced in poems and literature of the time.
Yep. I learned about this in African American studies in college. Black gays in harlem started the whole drag show, balls, etc. In the 1920s. Whites came to watch the shows
Straight women have been disrespecting gay folks for centuries calling them every name their is in the book etc. now the chickens has come to roost . "CIS WOMEN " is OUR KARMA the UNIVERSAL LAW HAS FINALLY HIT. And I am a straight woman a 75 year old straight woman
The issue is we gave them our space, and they ran with it. That is unfortunately what we do.
@@dragonflyy920 Exactly!!! And then they have the audacity to start calling us cis gender 🙄 smh
I told y’all days ago, CLAUDIA JORDAN explained the hell out of this on TEA GIF. I CLEARLY understood it when she explained it that night on the show. She needs to speak up more. Kudus to her! ❤❤❤❤
Women have BEEN explaining and articulating the point for a while, nobody was trying to hear it then, as usual. It's only this time what the trans said was sooooo far off from reality that no one can defend that kind of delusion that people want to CLEARLY understand women.
It's hard for Claudia to speak up because she's on a panel with two biased and selective gay dudes who tries to suppress the truth
I salute CJ for standing up and speaking for us women 👏
Women can't have anything in this world not even our gender 😢
I am a heterosexual str8 black man. Im listening to the conversation and i do not like being called Cis or anything else. Men are standing silent and listening because we will get canceled or called gay or something. I listen to " tea" or whatever its media i just had to say something. Me and my friends talk about LGBTQ+ in private chats and over the phone for fear of being canceled and attacked.
Why are you okay with labeling yourself as heterosexual? You’re so okay with it you used the formal term and the slang to label yourself but have a problem with the label cis…why is that?
Im a man and I do not mind being called a cis-man. Its not like its happening in my daily life anyway.
@missvalisha I'm trying to be as Correct as possible. Heterosexual defines my sexual orientation as does gay etc. This is kinda what I'm talking about I have no problem engaging in civil discussions. But alot of men ( me included) aren't trying to be arguing over Our sexual orientation if we make a comment 🙄 on a video from the other side.
@@missvalishabecause Cis is new I’m 31 I’ve only heard and seen heterosexual and homosexual on applications or forms we fill out. I’ve never seen Cis until now trans women specifically, because trans men are unproblematic, want to infringe upon womanhood and change what defines a woman.
Dude like Funky Dineva said … we have a d*ck … we really don’t care… it is not the same issue
The reason you are not hearing about these types of conversations in the male community is because there is no one telling biological men to be known as cis- anything. Also the reason it is a big deal in the female African American community is easily answered by just looking at who is the most vocal about this cis and gate keeping of woman hood, black transgender females.
Not true! Trans men are being murdered by cis gender men constantly! Just because you don’t see it, doesn’t mean it’s not happening.
People call men “cis-men” all the time. “Cis” isn’t a slur. Only women seem to detest it
Huh??? Y’all clearly don’t understand the definition of cis and think it’s generalized to women. It’s not a term specific to one sex…. Y’all are just the ones that are taking unnecessary offense and using it in a argument to displace what you truly feel. Just say you’re uncomfortable with the whole trans “thing”. Stop bringing all this fluff because just as we refer to a natural born male as cis it’s the same for a natural born female. It’s a scientific term. All of this just seems to be based in ignorance and insecurity.
He said trans.are being killed at an alarming rate 🤔 I wonder if it's every 4.5 hrs like blk women? Because blk women are being killed at an extreme rate. Children are being victimized at an alarming rate - there is more important shit going on in the world , who cares about these niggas in wigs &dresses trying to bully women and girls like they have been doing us since childhood.
@MarShawnH88 please stop saying women don't understand or are not educated WE DON'T WANT TO BE CALLED CIS!
I rarely comment BUT today this just blew me. Im disgusted on how you ignored what the real issue is. I'm a lesbian and I support everyone.......but not anymore. The trans community can really kick rocks. Im confused on them wanting respect but refuse to give it bs. Call you "this" but you can call me whatever you want? Um no sir. I lost all respect....for trans and you.
Straight people have been disrespecting gay folks for centuries calling them every name their is in the book etc. now the chickens has come to roost . and I am a straight woman
If him simply forgetting to bring up one point, caused you to lose respect for an entire community, you probably never had any to begin with and thats sad. The transcommunity will flourish without you and your negativity that you should've eaten thank you have a nice day.
Yeah funky been a trip though this is the same man who has videos telling women they shouldn’t have their babies or their going to lose their man. Lmao funky you can’t have kids and you ain’t married no man has settled down with you. Like bye funky dineva hates women .
Do you care to elaborate? I'm really interested in where he offended you.
No respect when it’s not given
I usually agree with you Funky, but I gotta get you together one time. The reason why black women are more hypersensitive, is because it’s the black trans women who are constantly coming for women. We don’t hear white trans or Asian trans making these think piece videos about us not owning periods. Also, if we say we don’t want to be called cis, then respect our identity like we respect your pronouns. Ok I’m done. Still love you, but I’m tired of people coming for black women in particular
@@justsaymonique8104as y’all always do. Responding before you actually listen.
@@MissFaevyn if your looking for an argument you can look somewhere else love. Also, you see what you did there, if I made a general comment about “y’all” in reference to gays or trans then I would be homophobic. But you can say it to a black woman in an attempt to be mean. Smh. But hey we just gotta take it so we’re not labeled as homophobic. But go off.
THAT part!!!!!! Funky can sit this one out. You are absolutely right ✅️. Thank you.
Yes, lm a fan of his, but already knew his stance before watching the video.
Actually it was a white trans woman who said it first and that black creator copied it. It went around the white TikTok discourse first.
I think its crazy how this all started with a Trans person disrespecting bio women and it turns into do BW hate trans women... how sway? Lol. Laverne Cox over there bout to bust a blood vessel over Jess remarks but has NOTHING to say about the Trans who made that disrespectful remarks to bio women.
Exactly! Now we've got to be lectured on what Trans have to go through. Huh?!?! We didn't start this.
This further elaborate that black women are always on an island 🏝 all by themselves. Black men and the rest of the world gaslight us to no end, and even imposter (trans-women) are gaslighting too now. It's ridiculous
Back women are still the most disrespected women in the world
@@SongzBabiGirl🗣 STILL!!!!
@@ShontaB Straight women have been disrespecting gay folks for centuries calling them every name their is in the book etc. now the chickens has come to roost . "CIS WOMEN " is OUR KARMA the UNIVERSAL LAW HAS FINALLY HIT. And I am a straight woman a 75 year old straight woman
Biological women were good, most of us are accepting of trans women, but people forget that the 1st comment was made by a trans woman and we felt under attack. Jess responded to that comment, and was drug by her wig. However, it appears very few are addressing the lady who made the 1st comment. Start there!!! We’re asked to empathize, we been empathizing and minding our damn business. Once again, we get attacked and then, we supposed to suck it up. That’s some B.S and we’re tired!! Like Jess said, who gone stand FOR us!
What was the first comment made by the trans woman?
@@jennaharris6053 that women don’t own periods. Women are not the gatekeepers of the period..
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@@pamelajackson4671that's not the full content nor the context of what she said. You only saw a clip of the video, cut up by Jess. What the lady in the video was saying is that women don't own period because they are Trans men and non-binary ppl that experience having periods. So cis women don't own period or can gatekeep womanhood. I'm pretty sure who reads it, won't get but respond in insults.
@@nickmack2022you just added 50 extra words that summed up to be the same damn thing. Her comment summed up was "ciswomen are not the gatekeepers to periods!"
We “women” have always accepted the gay community with or without dresses, nails, and heels. In fact, men I know say we are part of what they consider as “the problem”.
The fact that the very people that supported you from the start are now being turned on is where we are offended and draw the line.
We don’t need labels because we were born women and will always wear that title so CisWoman will never be accepted or used as apart of my vocabulary.
Straight women have been disrespecting gay folks for centuries calling them every name their is in the book etc. now the chickens has come to roost . "CIS WOMEN " is OUR KARMA the UNIVERSAL LAW HAS FINALLY HIT. And I am a straight woman a 75 year old straight woman
I feel like the “ I feel” statement is valid enough for biological women if its enough for trans! Using the word cis for me is disrespectful and I don’t want to be called that and it should be respected just as I respect what others would like to be called. We had no say in the use of the word cis and I don’t accept it and that’s my RIGHT
Right respect my pronoun🤷
@@SupaBlessedAries exactly!! They want all the respect while giving NONE. And when we stand up for ourselves its homophobia! We shouldn’t have to conform and accept anything. And why should it have to be articulated perfectly to be understood? How I feel is how I feel!!!
If using a medically accurate term is disrespectful to you then you are simply not cognitively equipped to have those conversations and should remove yourself from intelligent gender conversations. Just because you aren't grown enough to participate in an adult manner doesn't mean others should stop intelligent conversation for you
Well said.
@devinegoddess4992 dumbing yourself or conversation down for other people because of their feelings is not respectful is demeaning. Why should you dictate the medical terms used in conversation Because of your feelings.
It seems that trans men are respectful towards men. They aren't calling them sperm carriers or labeling them with offensive terms. Some Trans women, on the other hand, are being very disrespectful.
Yes, very disrespectful.
And so are a lot of Real women don’t play victim
A trans woman told me never could she be a natural born woman. She lived as a male for the first 18 years. A woman never had that experience. That’s it, that’s all.
Ok so I just started the video and I’m going to drop my thoughts as I go. I noticed in the beginning you said everyone’s always talking about how they “feel” and Claudia was able to talk to you so you could understand.
I wanted to know why it was difficult to understand the biological woman’s feelings when correct me if I’m wrong but being trans is still rooted from a place of not “feeling” connected to who you were biologically born as and that can be understood?
I think the reason the conversation isn’t had on the male side of things is because of the climate we are in . We live in a male dominated world. Do you think biological men see trans men as men? I think they have an attitude of not giving a damn b/c it’s simply rooted in the idea that we are not the same. I’ve watched interviews with bio men and trans men and based on the dialogue no matter what the trans men said the bio men simply said I understand your feelings and respect them but we are not the same.
Straight women have been disrespecting gay folks for centuries calling them every name their is in the book etc. now the chickens has come to roost . "CIS WOMEN " is OUR KARMA the UNIVERSAL LAW HAS FINALLY HIT. And I am a straight woman a 75 year old straight woman
This comment right here. In order for our feelings to be validated we have to explain in a way that makes sense to Funky. He is now an “ally” because he “understands” the woman’s plight. But, we have to be respect, uphold, and/or tolerate the trans point of view for no other reason than they “feel” trans, they “feel” as if a person’s gender and sex are two different things, they “feel” as though they are not free to be themselves. In the end, it’s all double standards. I’m happy that Funky somehow gets it now, but our position as real women didn’t need to be validated by him. It’s ours and as long as we as women get it, then screw everyone else
Different topic but a black man was trying to explain to me why he don’t like black women…. You guessed it.. it’s because of our attitudes. I told him that is so offensive to a black woman b/c any woman can have an attitude. Latin women have an attitude and they get a cute adjective “Spicy”….
I told him everything negative about women are attached to black women… it’s really fucking weird lol
I’ve seen videos of women from different background talking about this subject not just black women…
Because explaining gender dysphoria isn’t complicated. But complaining about cisgendered while not being able to define it is confusing.
Although imitation is the biggest form of flattery, there still has to be a high level of respect that accompanies this imitation.
How are y’all being disrespected I honestly would like to know and all trans women like myself and I’m sure others don’t disrespect women
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@@TheGossipRoomYou Can Only Speak For You Beloved. YOU Don’t Disrespect. He Gave Several Examples Of Disrespect. Me Personally Speaking I Met What I THOUGHT Was A Transwoman And Used The Appropriate Pronouns And Was Corrected. So I Stopped Assuming. I Met Another And Used Male Pronouns ACCIDENTALLY And Was Met With “SHE Will Fuck Your Nigga” Before I Could Even Apologize. And Then When I Responded With The Same Level Of Disrespect I Was Transphobic And Jealous
@@TheGossipRoom Would you like to be refered to as 'fish'?
Funky clearly you wasn't reading those comments. There were women of ALL ethnicities ( White, Hispanic, etc)saying they don't want to be called CIS. Not just blk women. Ppl hear and see what they want to hear and see smh.
It's not a Black women issue. It's an all women issue. Our beauty spaces & safe spaces are being flooded with "how can I look more feminine"..."can you tell I'm amab", daily. Spaces where women once gathered to just be women without having to see a bunch of men asking how to be more womanly. Just like men have their own spaces trans people also need their own spaces. It's okay for women to want to have spaces to themselves. Another issue is the language being used. In one breath it's "I'm a woman" and another breath is "I'm a trans woman"...pick one and stop trying on our identity. We don't get to take our identity on and off. We are women all day everyday and deal with things a trans woman would never have to. It's not that women have a problem with trans women. It's that we have a problem with not calling a spade a spade. The men don't have a problem with it because they don't have to deal with it everyday. Trans men are not taking over mens spaces, sports and accolades. But then you're not allowed to say any of that out loud because then you're transphobic.
White women will not say anything until we do. Idk if black women notice this but white women are cowards. Trust me, they agree with us but they are so afraid to not look like allies that they will stay quiet forever. Now that black women are being more vocal on this issue, watch how white women will soon follow. I have lots of white female friends and I am telling you...THEY AGREE! And they are equally as tired as the trans-movement.
White women been going off about it . that's why they pushing all those anti bills
Couldn't agree with you more!
I totally agree
"It feels like hate" is what you stated literally after talking about how women feel. I can't!
Thank you for taking the time to understand our position. Thank you Claudia for articulating what we been trying to get everyone to understand. As a Black woman in America, I'm tired just as Claudia stated. No one is protecting us as Jess stated. We are under attack everyday from everyone and our own. Hell most of our men don't want us or respect us. Thank you for every man or woman who has publicly protected me or any other woman. We all got to work together and love everyone because you better pay attention to everything they are taking away in the vain of MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN. I tried to stay out of this mess but when you tell me to stay quiet about being called cis and fish...then now we gatekeeping periods...the world would stop if men had to deal with blood, cramps, childbirth, fibroids and pain while expecting to still work and care for everyone else but you. Enough is enough
Wouldn’t it be more prudent to be outraged at the rates in which our domestic partners kill us than worrying about someone online calling us cis? I say online because I doubt anyone’s been called this in real life by a trans woman. We are killed at astronomical rates! And the pay gap. We’re still well under White men when it comes to being paid for the same work. I wish someone like Jess did a video about domestic abuse in the Black community and it caused a firestorm of activism.
How about getting THIS mad when you all see other black American women attacking and starting stuff with beautiful other black Americans/foreign women. Y’all are thee most aggressive violent hostile jealous and envious… always starting ish with other women… and then want black American men to protect your violent ass”s… y’all are ALWAYS THE instigators… ALWAYS trying to jump beautiful women. How about worrying about stuff that will help you all elevate as black American women instead of obsessing over the term “woman”. I’m a foreign beautiful woman and biological black American females have always been the devil and violent to me… so I’m going to always support trans women cause they always showed me love.
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Right
@MaryLou913 we can multi-task, and we are. This happens to be the subject matter at hand right now, and we're addressing it. It doesn't mean we're not focused on other things.
The fact that someone said we are gatekeeping periods is madness to me. You can have this endometriosis that i have to deal with since i was 14 & im now 37. Not being able to physically move, passing out due to cramps..you can have it!!! But how can you???
I had my first period at 11. I wasn't even a teen yet and I was confused asf. My mom had hers at 16, so she thought she had time. I was bugging, using cloth and tissue papers, thinking I was dying then pregnant. I was emotionally fck until my mom saw all the blood in my dirty cloths lol
I have endometriosis as well and if this is what trans women want they can have it!!
Exactly!
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What's wrong with having your own lane? Why must an "existing lane" be redefined? 💜💪🏽💜
this is THEE ONE for me
Right.
Right. As for sports, why aren't they advocating for a new category for Trans-women? That'll be a lot easier than convincing everyone that they should compete with us and that they don't have a huge physical advantage. If they allow trans women to compete against us, I guarantee they'll start snatching up all the awards, there's only 3 so it only takes 3 Trans-women. I'm so sick of women having to fight for everything And defend what we have.
Exactly
In order for our feelings to be validated we have to explain in a way that makes sense to Funky. He is now an “ally” because he “understands” the woman’s plight. But, we have to be respect, uphold, and/or tolerate the trans point of view for no other reason than they “feel” trans, they “feel” as if a person’s gender and sex are two different things, they “feel” as though they are not free to be themselves. In the end, it’s all double standards. I’m happy that Funky somehow gets it now, but our position as real women didn’t need to be validated by him. It’s ours and as long as we as women get it, then that’s all we need to know
THANK YOU, males are entitled to just have a random feeling but women have to give LONG explanation, misogyny at its finest.
@@HoneybeeAwning Agree 100%
Girl I just wrote a whole novel too..I don't understand how they don't realize that they still act like men..men are wired to dominate their environment and they are literally trying to dominate woman hood.. lol..Who the hell would even think about gatekeeping as it puritans to periods?..But since the trans woman brought it up, trying to sound deep, talking about, "Not every woman has a period"..Yes we know... but everyone who has a period is a woman..ijs
I keep hearing this narrative, not just from funky but from many people..The narrative that trans women are doing all this work for us.... I'm not saying it's a lie, and I am sure many of them are more than capable so it could very well be more common than I know about... I'm 47 and have never asked or hired a trans woman for beauty tips .. am I the only one who has NEVER ?
You be gullible to believe that crap if you want to. This man is too knowledgeable to sit around acting like he's slow about this topic. Claudia didn't have to say a damn thing. If you looking for allies then you better start following Flame. He so effortlessly sees through the bs from the community. And the way he gathered Madison and the rest of these fake influencers was a sight to see.
I think the main problem is trying to equalize everything instead of just embracing, accepting, and loving each other in all our differences.
I totally agree with you sis ❤
Exactly right
This!
That part!
💯🎯that part I agree
When you talked about experience of being female from the beginning-as a little girl-you hit the nail on the head. In this society, males have more privilege than females and the black woman has traditionally been considered the lowest on the totem pole. Claudia J’s comments are valid and true.
While sexuality and gender I’d-being gay, bi, trans- is not a choice, people can choose to conceal their sexuality. History shows people have chosen to conceal their sexuality until it became safer to live your life in truth. Race is NOT the same. When I walk out the door, I cannot conceal the fact that I am black (as I cannot and do not want to pass for white). People/racist will prejudge or discriminate against me based on what they see first without even getting to know me. I do not like when people equate sexuality with race. It is not equal.
I don't think Black women are at bottom of the totem pole. Look at corporate America, it's Black women who are excelling. And, it's the Black women who wiill lead us into the next century.
@user-fs2sf7kv5o You think “concealing” your sexuality was/is easy? Especially when family members/friends/ co-workers wanna know every second “who you talkin to these days” and the ANSWER you give sometimes depends on if you gonna continue to have a cordial relationship with this person, please race sometimes is EASIER to deal with cause at least you know who you dealing with up front
Truth spoken!
@@tertra114it's deffo easier to hide ur sexuality. mainly largely due to the fact what u do in the bedroom is ur business
But ur race is something u wear on ur literal sleeve
@tertra114 Are you serious. What planet do you live on. You don't know who's racist or not.
You need new friends, coworkers, and family, because you are headed straight for a nervous breakdown.
I stand with Jess
Y’all don’t even know why…😂😂😂
@@Clacci38 what do you mean? Women are standing with her because she’s saying exactly what we feel. Stop arguing with women about being women… when you’re not a woman. We don’t care if you dress up to look like women, it’s not a big deal but the debates are borderline delusional. Women are over it
You don’t know what I know first of all I have seen this shit for years . I pushed out 2 men and 1 women out of my body. We owe periods ( get over it) . And that nigga offer to fly Jess to fuck him don’t respect trans women or biological women. I am 59 I am not new to this I am true to this
I STAND WITH JESS 💕
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I don't care whether you chose to be gay or trans. It has nothing to do with me and my natural born womanhood. It's more than a feeling, "I am" a woman. We are not under the same umbrella. Respect goes both ways, accept us for who we Realy are and we will call you by whatever you preferred. BOOM....simple 🤷🏾♀️ leave us Real Woman out the mess.
That’s true. Not under the same umbrella. Lgbt ppl are targeted by laws and hate crimes way more. LEAVE US out the mess. The murders and laws and hyper targeting with hate needs to end. Moms of liberty, the banning of books, black folks being overly aggressive with black gay ppl.
Well u clearly don’t have respect since u reduce it to being a choice, istg you heterosexuals love to call our same sex attraction a choice but god forbid we called ur heterosexuality a choice. Kick rocks cnt
I’m so sad and tired of this conversation. I am a Woman. It doesn’t need to be explained for anyone to understand. I’m done supporting anyone that doesn’t support us
Same… I used to support but I’m good now.
@@TechVerse90you never should have supported in the first place
Same.
Babbbbyyyyy you hit the nail on the head….❤
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It is essential to bear in mind that regardless of someone's sexual orientation, individuals assigned male at birth may often initially process information through a lens influenced by a patriarchal mindset. This tendency exists because they are MALES at their core! So no matter how much they want to FULLY function as women, they can NEVER let go of the patriarchal male mindset and entitlement. They pick and choose when they want to align with women as long as it BENEFITS them! That's men in general.
This is a WORD!
Me and a friend had a discussion about this! SMH so true
Isn't this the whole gist of the Barbie movie? As long as women are at odds with each other, the patriarchy will continue to thrive.
Short and perfectly said‼️
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📣📣 THE FIRST PROBLEM IS THAT YOU'RE STILL CALLING JESS A CIS WOMAN WHEN SHE HAS STATED THAT SHE IS JUST A WOMAN. START WITH RESPECT THERE #RESPECTFULLYOFCOURSE
Hey cis
@@LyricSnowenow if they misgender you , we’re homophobic and transphobic
@@LyricSnowe& that's why folks are losing respect for the LBGT+ community at this point. Y'all done it to yourselves. Hetero phobia is strong these days.
@@LyricSnoweHey transformer 😜 See how that works?
@@QueenM3. ask your nigga if he’ll go with you to a protest for womens reproductive rights. he wont.
I agree with you that there's no way to understand what another person is experiencing. There's no way to tell a gay person whether or not they were born that way if you've never experienced it.
Tell me how a male can feel like a woman when they've never experienced it?
I'm not anti trans at all, I don't care what other people do tbh, but the logical inconsistencies become more annoying when people become hostile and I'm very tired of prostate owners telling women how to feel.
I am fine with tw being called just women as well. But we never the word "cis" unless a tw is saying something negative about us. Transmen don't dedicate their lives to sitting on the internet trash talking men.
Most words are not considered slurs until people say they don't want to be called that and people continue calling them that anyway.
This issue really isn't just black women. White women are fed up too. Look into #radfem content.
The issue is that transwomen are misogynistic.
@@AlexMagni-fs5cjthe ONLY time I hear "ciswomen" is when transwomen are putting us down.
When I had cysts on my ovaries and I had to have emergency surgery to get them removed. Before I got the surgery, I was so exhausted and I’m so much pain and I didn’t know why. The cysts were draining me. I had to get one of my ovaries removed and half of the other one removed. The doctor told me I had endometriosis as well.
When I got the surgery, the doctor told me that I would probably not be able to have children due to the scarring. I remember being so depressed and I would cry myself to sleep because I wouldn’t be able to have children. I’m okay with it now but it was a challenge for me. I do not believe a trans woman will ever understand how it feels to have your reproductive organs removed and be told you will not be able to have a child in the process. We go through so much as women and life is already hard enough without having arguments about things like this
Hear me out- So for years ive had bad periods. Really bad. Went to doctors, even the ER cause i could even walk during it. I was told "oh you just have bad periods". N i started believing it cause it was constantly told to me by doctors even by female doctors. Men obviosly dont understand. It wasnt until a few years ago i learned about endometrosis and fibroids. The pain I experienced was happening outside of my period. N id explain that and how i was feeling to female doctors. N repeatly get dismissed and disregarded and made to feel like im crazy. Leaving me to be In pain and depressed for years. My therapist told me as black women we have to advocate for ourself cause we are usually dismissed. Ive even a white therapist say the same thing. I had to do my own research, demand answers and Switched doctors three time until someone requested an MRI in 2023 and found fibroids. All this time it was oh u just bad periods. I accepted that for years until the pain got unbearable. My third therapist said that black women have the highest mortality rate during child birth. Cause we often disgarded and its apart of a systematic racism. N actually certain diseases black women are more predisposed to because of genetic makeup. So we dont get protection from our men, we get disregarded by doctor s and then to be told we dont own womanhood and belittling our experiences is crazy. Its insulting. I think bc trans men still experience womenhood so theres less entitlement. Where as trans women never fully expercing it. It just comes off as yet another man being entitled and dismissing our experience and not protecting us but also wanting to be in our space.
Good on you for getting the medical care that you deserve. I’ve also had to switch doctors around in order to find the best care. Be well. ❤️🩹
Amen!
I may need an mri. Thanks for the post
I had Endo for 25 years, depression, fertility issues, ER visits told that I’m imagining pain, that I’m simply constipated. Pregnancy was hard, labor was hard. We get attacked by our own bodies let alone the higher rates of mortality in almost any area you choose from murders to rape. So yes a born man who wants to walk in my shoes without respecting my womanhood can never fit my shoes. We are not equals. All men have no way of understanding our plight. Let’s not even talk about Menopause! Men whether trans or not need not to tell us anything about being a woman period
Amen & prayers to you. I'm having a Endometrial Biopsy tomorrow due to issues after being post menopausal. This is NOT something to want to aspire to.
Black women just want to be left alone… while we can appreciate Claudia’s comments, she asked several times in several ways to be given some space and time and while you finally got your answer and what you needed. In that moment like so many moments for BW there was a sense of entitlement, that she somehow owed an explanation for how she was feeling. BW are a punching bag for everyone, we are tired.
Thank you!!! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Claudia proceeded to ask questions in those texts. You skipped over that part. The victim role is getting old with black women in opposition to triple minorities. Black gay people exist and can’t keep platforming straight black women.
@@TheRenegadeStarr Whew Jesus! Wanting to be left alone is the victim card??? Really wow… how y’all are so disrespectful to the very ppl that provide you a portal into this world is a level of bizarre that isn’t even worth exploring.
@@teeshante notice you AGAIN skipped over her asking questions in those texts. Skipping over things to paint a narrative is what perpetual victims do.
@@TheRenegadeStarr She didn’t initiate the conversation let’s help you why are you stuck here?
My uncle is a Trans and has been for the last 45 years, him and his crew has always had the upmost respect for women. The old school Trans need to teach the new school about respect! Someone who is comfortable with their lifestyle will never force anything or try an take anything from someone else..I AM A WOMAN!!! Do I really have to hate a Trans??? 🧘No not at all!
Your uncle is a trans man?
Lovingly, when someone says, “trying being …..” it minimizes the feelings of the other person. Black women have always fought for other people AND ourselves.
Not a cis woman. I am a natural born female just like I am a nature born US citizen.
You make the labels you want for you and you need to allow me to make my own for me.
Do you and don’t tell me how to do me.
Women do own periods. It’s not a brag. It’s just a fact of life.
now this is a mic drop quote
Perfectly said!
I love u for this. ❤
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I’m a woman and nobody can ever take that away from me. However I don’t need a trans woman comparing and telling me what womanhood is for me. I love us all and I agree with you 100%.
Right. I Don’t Care THAT MUCH. And Accept And Support Them, BUT You Not Gone Come In My House And Tell Me How To Hang My Drapes, Or Fluff My Pillows.
It’s through these conversations that you can see the patriarchy that exists in gay men. Funky came up here to read WOMEN because he lowkey agrees with TS.
When you stay in your lane, you don’t have to worry about people creating a space for you. You’re comfortable and confident in the space that you occupy.
This!
Exactly!
This the ☝🏾 right here‼️
Absolutely
This sounds good but it is not what happens for marginalised groups. People come in and put hurdles in your lane.
Don't can't any real woman CIS.
Persons who are suffering confusion about their identity need to attach labels to themselves and leave others be.
Do you even understand what cis means and what environment it's used in? Serious question.
EXACTLY! Don’t drag us into your gender dysmorphia😅
@@Taggimitshe clearly does not! Smh
@@Taggimitdo you understand what a woman is?? Women women don’t need a cis in front of their name… we are just women!!
@Ms.Mewitdabullshit You don't understand what cis means, and it's clear. What you're saying is equivalent to don't call me black... I'm just a woman.
I’m glad people aren’t trying to cancel Jess for this bc a lot of women really agree with her and shouldn’t be shamed for that. Especially if we’re all supposed to be tolerant of each other
More people than not have the exact same sentiments as Jess Hilarious, sadly they lack the vocabulary to communicate it. I’ve said it more times than I can remember, having a difference of opinion doesn’t equate to homophobia and/or transphobia. I just hope those people who’re making all of these demands are intentional, because they will eventually be required to “walk the line” women do daily.
@@KashG901love this ❤
You are what you are, just like I told my brother don’t nobody have to answer for anybody down here, but yourself amen and who cares about that anyway coming from a black woman
I agree and to adjunct to this and touch on the big elephant in the b..l..a..c..k... people room..and something Claudia didn't address was the rampant colorism and featurism that permeates (from my own observation..) within people of color and all of your community as a whole that also adds color so to speak about the frustration many black women feel on top of this situation. Look at how Jess was masculinized when that pic of her without the wig and all the makeup she does not need in my opinion because she is naturally beautiful..but because some within the black community still harbor self hate and then will troll women who look like Jess with her facial features and skin tone..because she does not fit the image some have been conditioned to think negatively that another more paler version is supposedly the more feminine ideal to emulate..smh its nuanced and too complicated to fully speak on here. ..smh..I am a straight, woman ( born and yes nothing wrong with saying naturally..lol) and I feel for ALL my people of the same hue..) we have to do come together and do better folks.
We must stand with women like Claudia and Jess the way the community stands with their people. If we can do that then maybe we can bring all sides together for total unity. But the powers that be wont allow that because if the 99% ever STANDS UP TOGETHER..ALL their games will be OVER!
Justice Jackson was asked what is a woman and she said idk. Now when a trans woman says women don’t gatekeeper womenhood, then all of a sudden they know what a woman is.
Shout out to Claudia for articulating it so damn well. I agree with her 1000% and Funky thank you sooo much for sharing this and being open to listen to understand. So many times, people are listening to respond. ❤❤❤❤ I hope that Fox Soul and TGIF will really take this conversation further because it’s needed.
She didn't articulate shit. She attributed all of her anger and frustration from everyone who oppresses her to oppress transwomen. Y'all so full of hypocrisy and we call y'all out for the shit
Thank you Funky, it’s all a matter of Respect. I have no problem with the Trans Community but I will not allow no one to call me a Chest Feeder, Bonus Hole, Cis or anything else other than a Woman. It’s disrespectful and tasteless. How can a community of ppl demand respect but not have respect for anyone else?
THIS!!! Respect is a mutual concept.
Those men are mad disrespectful to women, while wanting out men.
Our
@@parishers6351”our men” they don’t belong to u or y’all half of the black men y’all claim don’t even want black women
Yes I have absolutely any issues with trans is the way they're trying to minimize us. No one can tell us what to accept whatever gays or trans want to call us. It's not right. We're saying we are womem, we're not cis, and we're not fish.
Interesting to hear the take on someone not being able to tell someone they can’t be born gay or trans. I completely agree that someone who’s never been gay or trans shouldn’t be able to tell you all that. The same should apply to biological men & women too.
But someone who has never been a woman can now tell women how to feel and who they are? Ok 🙄
Well I can decide to be a man today and can’t sit here and tell a man who was born a man and whose been living as a man his whole life that he is doing it wrong. 😮😮 the audacity for you to be so bold is ridiculous.
@@09kenedy Uhmmmm….that’s basically what I said. The same should apply to biological men and women too. Q said the same later in the video.
@@92cgray Who are you talking to? Obviously you didn’t read my comment correctly. Read it again and then come back and delete this. I literally said the same thing. Y’all be so ready to disagree instead of comprehend!
There is no equivalent for that for biological men and women
Oooh honey, when you mentioned those itchy stockings at church with my grandma 😂😂😂 lord, brought back memories.......
Hi! Biological woman here, who is right now experiencing a pregnancy (7mths)along with my uterine fibroids situation 😢 (some days are painful than others because of it) and as this baby kicks in my tummy, to watch them say that I don't own womanhood or my period sounds very delusional and sad and ignorant to me.... I can't help but think that this is for attention. I don't understand why if creating a space for your gender to constantly attack another gender to do so?? Why try to discredit womanhood to women to prove your gender is "real" or more "realer" ....I'm sorry but there is only ONE WOMANHOOD on this planet and well as humans ALL came from a woman's uterus thru the birth canal .....I just be so confused by the arrogance and attacks...Black women are always the target...It is exhausting....🙏🏾🙏🏾😔
I STAND WITH JESS!!!
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Jess hilarious has a evil nasty spirit.
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And if we not the gate keepers of a uterus and a period 🩸…. THEN WHO IS?????
Im a woman and always will be. Being a woman consists of more than just menstruation and birthing a child even barren women were born with the reproductive organs of a female/woman. Women go thru hell during that time, cramps bloating and fibroids are some of the issues. Y’all want these periods then take em 🗣️🗣️🗣️😀
They don’t want them they just want penis chile, that’s what it’s all about being more desirable to have sex with men.
Girl!! 😭 If I could trade my period to a trans woman like a pokemon card I would but the tea is they don't want none of that 😩 Trans women's existence ain't taking nothing from me cause like you said at the end of the day we still gon be women 🤎
@@TheeGr8Cornholiookay lemme drop this period off sis 😂😂😂 ❤❤
Im really getting tired of this as a natural born woman. Funky said on an episode of Fox Soul that gay men are recreating femininity. That's really how he feel. This was a pointless debate like Claudia said. Natural born women didn't mention our hardships when we were standing up for gay men rights but now we have to listen to funky mention gay men issues over our issue that's at hand. Transgender and gay men are not women. Until transgender people understand that their experience is different from us natural born women and that they are not a woman I will not support them any more. I stand with Jess!
This commentary is so top tier! Thank you, Q! Trans women are Trans women. We are WOMEN and it is different. We don't need a prefix, they do. Its not hate. Thank you for this ❤
Yes that is the main point
Is black woman not a prefix
Trans women are also women tho. Woman is not a term that differentiates yall.
@@ww8407trans women are trans women. Period
@@ww8407 no TF they are not. They are male wanting to live as a woman!!! No uterus no period no milk in breast
"I am a woman, and then there's I am a Trans woman" 🗣THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN SAYING!!!!!!!!!!
I’m white and I agree with Jess Hilarious! So I guess I’m on #TeamBlackWoman 💯🫶
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Team women ❤
Big shoutout to Claudia for articulating our stance as black women! 👏🏾👏🏾 I also applaud Funky for opening himself to further understanding… we love and appreciate you ❤
Hi Q! I LOVE this discussion & there is a LOT to unpack. Defending black womanhood is NOT new. Adding to Claudia's list may further explain the reasons why (SOME) Black women (BW)feel we are being ERASED:
1) BW not considered a standard of beauty for decades
2) BW's hair styles, features, and skin tones being appropriated, capitalized on, mimicked, and stolen by other races.
3) black men becoming rich and successful and choosing non- black mates
4) society considering BW masculine e.g., the discourse around Venus and Serena Williams and Wendy Williams being hermaphrodites or transgender when they are biological women.
5) The recent supreme Court ruling against abortion, now women don't have autonomy of our own bodies?
6) law enforcement and media ignoring stories about BW being abducted, kidnapped, murdered and missing
7) The disparities between BW and white women when it comes to medical/ health care, childbirth and obstetrics and gynecology.
8) All of these things may contribute to feeling invalidated, overlooked, not heard, ignored, copied----we have to fight and defend. BW have two strikes at birth: being black & being a woman while black men have ONE strike (and yes gay men have 2 strikes).
I hope this Jess Hilarious incident is the catalyst for a thoughtful, honest, and broader discussion about our fears & how ALL bw & trans women can heal and come TOGETHER & stop the hateful language & vitriol. It's not productive. Ps, I am a black woman.
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾Perfectly said!
Agreed 💯
Well said!!! Thank you
WHERE DID THIS CIS WOMEN STUFF COME FROM ANYWAY??? I'M A 50 YEAR OLD WOMAN AND THE LAST TIME I CHECKED WE ARE JUST CALLED WOMEN!!! DAMN NOW!! ANYONE CAN BE CALLED WHATEVER THEY WANT TO IN LIFE... JUST CALL ME A WOMAN HELL!! THAT'S IT AND THAT'S ALL!!
Literature and science. It's not some new word... we're just in a world where the word can be applicable. It's a root word no different than "anni" ie. Anniversary or annual. I hope that makes sense.
Relax.
I don’t know, have you ever read a book before, Bertha? 🤷🏽
It’s a dis from the trans community I’m over it I’m tired
The term cisgender was coined in 1994. It entered the dictionaries in 2015. It is new in these times and how they're using it.
Today is my 50th bday….. I’m a woman!
I am an ally, my daughter is a lesbian. She came out and ima be honest I was surprised, but that was our strongest reaction. My husband, her brother and myself have no
issues. My only issue is worry for her safety because of bigoted hateful ppl!!!
I don’t have an issue with anyone who’s a part of 2SLGBTQ+ community.
But I personally prefer to be referred to as a Woman.PERIODT
If I have no problem respecting you and how you want to be addressed why can’t I demand the same!
I LOVED how Claudia broke it down…. Black
Womanhood is exhausting!!!
Exactly my son is a gay man I love and respect him and his friends, but I STAND WITH JESS..
I'm a Lesbian and I STAND WITH JESS
BINGO!!! "I am a woman......and you are a Trans Woman". PERIOD!!!
Respect due to ALL.
Yes Claudia!!! Thank you for being our voice!! We support you 100%!!
I am a born bio woman, we don’t want to be called anything other than what we are. It needs to be respected, I have Native American roots as well as black. I understand two spirited people. The problem is the invasion of these people getting on platforms and basically minimizing what women are naturally , just to be apart of it. I think that’s the best way to put it. I get that spiritually they feel like they are women.. but that can be seen as pseudo… in the physical these are males in drag to us and to everyone else. You think other races don’t have an issue with this, but they do! All races of women are honestly about annoyed with these trans women… that’s what is not being said. We are over it… y’all are not us. Respect that part at least… we protected the trans & gay males forever now every chance they get to shit on us.. they do. We are tired, now you are seeing how we really feel..
First thing first if you want to understand womanhood you have to get over this issue with us saying "I FEEL" It's how women communicate
Mmm yes, THIS!!
This conversation is draining for the simple fact that there’s no compromise, empathy and understanding on either side. And as a woman I don’t want to continuously defends myself against men and now the trans community. Respect has to come from both sides.
The disrespect started with us women letting us be called fish. We took it and laughed. Now too far
I've never liked it. They call us that because they say our 😺smells like fish. idk any woman that thought that was funny
@@suziwilliams9643 I didn’t take it that way. Hell I just thought because its called a p*ussy but yeah I can see your point.
This!
It’s very disrespectful & if we called them Fag*** it would be uproar bcuz if u call me fish that’s the answer
I like Q, I really do. However, listening to this reminds me of something someone said to me recently. The gay community doesn’t like us (women). I was told this by a GAY MAN that’s family, and he said they talk about us (women) terribly when amongst themselves. I believe that wholeheartedly
All I have to say is that a lot of groups are going to be burnt up if black women get tired of the sneak dissing and go full conservative. When the empathy tit goes dry, they are going to have to run to the few who gives a damn. We are not your punching bags.
Ok!!! ❤❤❤❤
A word!!!
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I'm already there. I'm voting Republican in this next election. This mess has to stop.
Facts!!!
One part I disagree with is that only Black women are having this dialogue. I see women of all cultures disgruntled with the Cis conversation. I think it just depends on what your social media feed shows you base on what you usually look at. If you don’t particularly usually look at content from these other cultures you may not see their dialogue on the matter pop up in your instagram, CZcams or etc. feed.
Agree! I live in a mostly white community and they are livid about trans woman competing in woman’s sports.
There’s videos all over tik tok of Caucasian women completely outraged about all of it. It’s definitely not just black women
White women are MORE upset.
This should be pinned lol
And not just women. I have seen several videos by *MEN* of various races who have an issue with biological women being given extra and unasked for titles from a community that we are not even a part of.
IT WOULD BE BEST IF WE JUST SEPERATE.❤ YALL GO YALL WAY AND WE WILL STAY ON OUR SIDE.
Tbh I could care less because I judge no one. No I don't have ppl calling my cis in everyday life but like Claudia said THEY DONT HAVE TO TRY AND ERASE US TO BE TRANS. Do you and leave us out of it! This is NOT a competition for us.