Robbie Savage & Robbie Fowler apologise for homophobia / Hitzlsperger interview
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- čas přidán 20. 01. 2014
- Robbie Savage & Robbie Fowler apologise for homophobia towards Graham Le Saux in the 90s. Preceeded by Gary Lineker interviewing Thomas Hitzlsperger about his decision to publically reveal his homosexuality.
January 2014 - Sport
One could hardly call Robbie Savage an authentic beacon of heterosexuality.
Haha beautifully said 🙌
He could probably kick your arse.
He's a millionaire with a beautiful wife and a family.....
😂😂😂
Why not? Be specific.
Savage hasn't really apologised. He just said everyone did it and that he couldn't remember the incident. 😑
He did.
@@erniescullion8452 where did he say sorry?
Robbie Fowler - such an insincere apology.
outraged by everything ashamed of nothing
Liverpool fans trawled through Twitter to find out something Holgate said when he was about 15. Tried to get him banned like they did with Gray of Burnley.
Ben Stephenson What because he's wasn't teary eyed and begging for forgiveness? It was just petty on-the-pitch antics 15 years earlier and Fowler never meant any malice with it, he said it just to wind him up. He probably wouldn't have if Le Saux was actually openly gay
a show trial, you do it becasue you are forced to
@@GriefTourist We all know the mancs are. Nice try tho
They are not apologising for their homophobic attitudes!!!
They apologise to Graeme Le Saux for calling him gay. He's not gay, he just reads the Guardian.
So their apologies to Le Saux only reinforce the idea that calling someone gay is an insult. They should have apologised to gay people.
People like Fowler don't really have opinions they just go with the flow
GriefTourist looooooooo
"he just reads the Gaurdian"
That's much worse than being gay...
Matt Thompson Judging by your spelling I guess you read The Sun 😃
Rupert Ward people are so wrapped up in oh are they gay who cares move on y is it even a question y do we feel the need to label, that’s y people don’t come out cos all the overactive attention whether positive or negative singled out like a freak
Didn't Graeme Le Saux Confront Fowler about it in a match and said My wife and Children are in the crowd to which he said I don't give a f**K
He said “So what? Elton John was married too”
@@joem7922 rock hudson too
It's more gay that they're both called Robbie and they're wearing almost identical clothes.
Haha very true
haha
I don't know why should apologise really and why saux is offenede although he's not a fag
No other german will speak English as good as this fella
Scrolled down for this lol... I thought so too
The Queen? King Edward, King George ad infinitum
@@phil2003ashleigh ahh yes, the biggest myth there is 😂 you are stupid
Rump wizardry is big in Germany. The national team used the Village People for their USA 1994 World Cup song. It was really good and showed how Germany sees some countries as Gandalf principalities.
Two naughty schoolboys making very insincere but politically correct apologies.
OT Is Robbie Fowler related to Ken Dodd?
Robbie isn't very sincere with this 'apology'. Indeed he justifies his actions by saying it was a windup. As for Robbie S he didn't apologise so the video heading is misleading.
What is it was a windup? Who do you want to see come out and apologise next, Keith? Who will satisfy for your lust for public apologies from your superiors? How about Guti to Zidane for laughing at his bald patch?
@@fishwatch8677 what Fowler did was awful. I can see the snorting prank as funny but the thing with Le Saux. I get he was young but he was representing Liverpool FC. Idiotic thing to do.
Screw people's feelings
They can't say what they want. So we don't know if they are true or not. If they say anything different their jobs are history.
Excellent interview.
Did Savage really apologise here?
10:00 Imagine the fit of hysterics that would have followed if Savage had said "The football community is 100% behind him".
What did Robbie savage ever win? Shouldn't be a pundit.
What did Dan Walker ever win?
@@jch2211Sports Presenter of the year
@@davidscanlon2538 what did David Scanlon ever win?
@@billybigbone 1st Prize in my local raffle.
I look forward to the day that a sportsperson declaring their sexual preference isn't headline news.
Until that day, well done thomas. Proud of ya.
NSNO
Panatella It will always be headline news since LGBT people make up less than 10% of earth’s population, so it will always be assumed someone is cisgender/straight & so it will always be news & will be surprising to find out someone is gay. That’s just how it is
Same irl with non celebs too. Coming out will always be a thing
Lets look forward to the day that news isnt news yh
Panatella I agree it shows our lack of skills as a race that it is even anyone’s business and we all get excited over the breaking news
Kaizer-Man y does it have to be assumed, y is it a thought or concern, do u assume I have two parents u probably do but do u care no u don’t, get a life u uneducated moron
@@the90sfattyfromtakethat mate he wasn't rude to you, he raised a valid point. No need for ad hominem attacks :(
They shouldn't have said anything, just kissed tenderly!
Agreed 😂😂
Der Hammer, Villa legend, proud of him
If I say this with absolutely no feeling can I please be asked back by the bbc to do more punditry?
Graeme LeSaux isn’t gay. He just reads the Guardian.
Youre gay
To be fair reading the Guardian is pretty gay
Are there (or have there ever been) any gay football managers in the Premiership? I can think of a few possibles: “Leather chaps” Allardyce, “Pink pants” Ferguson, “Puppy” Guardiola, and Harry “spandex” Redknapp. Any others?
Fowler apologises savage on the other hand I didn’t hear any apology
once gay people aren’t scared to hold their partners hand in the streets incase they get killed or harassed then there will be no need for a gay player to come out. until then it’s still an issue. homophobia in football is a huge problem, there are no out gay footballers that i know of at a professional international level. i hope when there are players who feel comfortable to come out publicly, they will have a lot of support too.
also going by the reactions to germany and england’s rainbow captain armbands to show support for lgbt people, there is clearly a need for out gay players. even uefa themselves showed the blatant homophobia.
Let’s be honest, footballers don’t come out as gay because of the potential chants from the terraces it’s as simple as that
Imagine if he'd said ; " and yes u know i think 'so n so has come out, which is great to,... and they were 'Er no.. no.. they havnt Thomas...' haha
Must be mentally difficult to deal with. I would say I would keep quiet and just go with women. But I am not gay. So, I can never know how it is for him.
Imagine a reality where things were the opposite. Would you "keep quiet and just go with men"?
Robbie snorting up the touchline was worse \ ........... 😁
this wasnt that long ago but damn, did TV really look this shitty? this looks ilke it was mad in 1988 or something am i missing something about digital transfers or was tv just this sit?
you're missing something about digital transfers
I think whatever your phone is that you watching this on is the problem and your spelling is shit
should not be forgotten. football has a way to go.anyway I doubt they meant it
Well played to Grahem Le Saux though. Must have a strong mind.
He werent gay
@@DC42087 I know
Isn't the issue a gay boy getting changed with naked men?
He's obviously got a book out
Only dawned after career gay....hmmmm it's a shame as it would have mean't such a lot more if he'd have come out when playing, I suppose,at least he has come out now though
I love jugs but broke the news ffs. Leave the man to get on with his life
I wouldn't be surprised if all the people in this video were gay. Thomas was just the only one who had the nerve to come out.
I remember thinking at the time that the behaviour of Fowler et al was ambivalent, since it could be seen as making fun of Le Saux's own uptight, touchy and clearly homophobic reactions. Le Saux always gets portrayed as the victim, but the energy he gave off was very much in the vein of "how dare you impugn my dignity as a normal and respectable heterosexual familiy man? I'll have you know that I'm married and have fathered a child - which proves that it's scientifically and biologically impossible for me to be a disgusting abnormal f@g. You should treat me with the respect I deserve, and reserve your scorn for a misbegotten pervert who actually deserves to be victimized!"
In reality, society hasn't changed much at all since the 90s. Then, as now, most people were spineless fence-sitters who blew with the wind!
The main difference now is that the lion's share of the corporate media is (superficially) opposed to homophobia, so that people who would formerly have sat on the fence (in fear of the violently homophobic folk-devil-hunting aspects of society, which still exist but in less overtly public places) are now unwilling to be seen in the public eye as tolerating homophobia, even though they still seem intensely awkward discussing it (like Gary Lineker in this clip), and so that those who are not in the public eye (but who have greater proximity to the violently homophobic folk-devil-hunting aspects of society) are liable to whinge resentfully about "SJWs force-feeding their lifestyle down our mother-fucking throats" and curtailing their inalienable free-dumb of speech (which is code-word for saying that "I used to feel brave saying aggressively homophobic things in public, knowing perfectly well that the vast majority of people would be unwilling to challenge me, but now I no longer feel safe saying the same things and am perpetually anxious about being challenged, and it's causing me to become conscious of what a spineless fence-sitter I actually am! Please send help!")
Le Saux was right to be offended. I would be!
Robbie Fowler’s apology seemed genuine and i don’t think he’s a homophobe, but Robbie Savage seemed to skip round the question maybe he is homophobic idk
He doesn't come across homophobic what so ever. I agree he should of answered the question better. But I think his trying to skip the question over embarrassment. The thing we all got to remember the world has changed a lot at a speedy rate in 20-30 years. I remember gay was used as an insult in the 90s. But 90% of people saying it didn't hate homosexuals. They just didn't know the damage it was doing as they was looking for a quick cheap laugh.
Cristiano Ronaldo next!
It shows you that bullying for something today may seem cool but you might find yourself remembered for the wrong reasons when society progresses. I'm a Liverpool fan and Fowler is one of my favourites but it's a cautionary tale to choose your taunts wisely because you may have to swallow them.
The usual defence it was a long time ago. My dad's 76 and his best friend and best man is gay. Uncle John came out in the 70s lads. Don't try to use time and culture as anexcuse for your beliefs
I think things have moved on especially in the premiership as it’s become more of a pressure cooker and in turn professional. Not in every aspect but he is right in that you are there for a job and it’s totally football. I don’t think it was always that with the culture and in football in general it’s still a issue. Not just that but as Robbie says even as a wind up. It’s it just this it’s racism and it’s not even clear cut or black and white (excuse the pun) .
From Colombian players doing Chinese eye gestures to Russian fans throwing bananas. It’s cross culture. You just have to read some of the fan pages to see African fans making. Remarks about the English and English fans who were racist to three young lads over penalties. These individuals are uneducated fools and they are everywhere sadly. Look at these two dummies as a good example. Some unity and cool head will make the changes needed slowly over time. In respect of players to players it’s definitely uncommon now.
My three year old does better apologies than that…
Being Gay had no influence on soccer ability
I dont think so. I've met savage at my brothers school while he was at Leicester. My brother attended a special needs school and I very much doubt savage got paid to be there and he took pictures with all the lads their even me. Anything said on the pitch is like chatting crap in the pub. I think savage is a good man altho I never actually heard of him till that day. Football wasn't my thing. Girls and cars was. But the fact is he went and met aload of specials when he didnt need to.
aload of ''specials'' lol are u thick? just because there different dosen't make them less of a human....I know u didnt say that but refering to them as specials makes you come across as a bad person mate.
English-RC this is a wind up. if you aren't a football fan how did u find this
Why is the presenter interrogating and putting Robbie Fowler and Savage on the spot?
Probably trying to make them feel "guilty" for freedom of speech
Likes drugs ,hates gay gets Robbbbbbbie Fowwwwwwwler
Don't get all the "insincere apologies" comments. They just taunted a former opponent (that isn't even gay) and you can't expect them to be THAT sorry because of it. Everybody gets abuse sometimes and it's not a good thing, but neither is that big of a deal.
Nowadays using words such as "faggot" is seen as some kind of sacrilege, like insulting Jesus Christ in the Middle Ages.
Dave Kent The fact that he isn’t even gay kinda makes it worse. As your practically defaming someone for something they are not.
Bruno yah
Seems like a nice fella. Is he really gay?
he;s german, with a northn english accent....haha.
And he's a puff
It's a Birmingham accent, through his years at Aston Villa. Hardly northern
Did no one notice Gary wipe his hand on his pants after he shook hitzlesbergers hand haha hypocrite.
+nikita murray call that a wipe?
+nikita murray Jump to conclusions much?
+nikita murray he didn't wipe it
nikita murray didn't want spunk on it
Maybe Gary became aroused and gave his leg a quick rub to stave his lust...
Section 28
They say "how far are we from having a gay footballer" umm... Well Robbie Rodgers is a gay footballer and quite a good one at that. He may not be a european footballer, but he's our footballer here in the MLS/US
+hyperrat12 Robbie Rodgers is not a good footballer.
He couldn't get in a shit Leeds team.
+sobbyhasselhoff that was a while ago, since coming out of retirement he's done quite a lot, and I think won 2 MLS cups. If you actually watched him, you'd know how well he's done.
MLS Cups? That statement has done nothing to prove he's a good footballer.
+sobbyhasselhoff I collected 8 tokens on the back of my rice krispies and sent off for an MLS cup
+hyperrat12 Need someone important to make a change not Robbie fucking Rodgers, he's shit. MLS is a terrible league where great players go to retire because they wanna go 'easy' in their old age lol
Reading the comments here where people get on their high horse slating someone for slating someone else like they are on some sort of moral high ground, doesn't matter if your slating someone's personality, someone's sexuality or someone's career the fact you need your opinion to be heard while putting someone down for WHATEVER reason makes you exactly the same. It's just human nature get over yourselves
Amazes me how anyone can call a person scum cos they think their apology to a player they taunted just to wind them up and not out of malice, 15 or more years ago, was "insincere" or "not a proper apology", when that same player once punched his own teammate in the face over a remark and attacked opponent footballers also over remarks designed only to wind him up and nothing more. Get a grip
"I was fine Gary, lived with a woman and just....well normal Gary....then I played for Aston vile and it turned me into a raving bender.....I think it's their fans, it's infectious"!
YES SOTV KRO!
Sad small heath turd
We live in different,more knowledable times(on certain matters&subjects,but not all)But back then,in Football&life in general young Guys always got stick from older Guys.If they thought there was anything they could use to get at you,the Gloves came off and nothing was out of bounds
..Now Graham Le Saux was a really good player,but had a spiteful&Petulant side to his character on the Field(He would often fly in2 challenges with his Studs showing,or kick out at players,which would never endear u to anyone,back then)But from my perspective,he has always wanted to portray himself as this Victim or someone who was picked on(as if that was something new in any working Enviroment back then&i'm sure is still the status quo)His comments about "I read the Guardian&other players resented me for that"(which I think was a little Melodramatic& right load of Bollocks)And he hasn't done to badly since!
I'm sure if He had a $ for every interview he has done&raised this point,his Bank Balance would have increased further!
.And once again being honest Garry Lineker has become somewhat of "PC"Ambassador and so has Le Saux,they will always portray themselves as the "Good boys,and innocent Parties."Or maybe always looking to be" The Teachers Pet"While constantly occupying the Moral high ground!
Now neither of the 2 Robbies were Saints or intellectual Giants,but I'm sure neither were they the worst examples of Sinner's either..
So thankfully we've made progress,but Football in general has always been based on what u could do on the field.
If u played well,done ur Job or at least played with committment then u had the respect of ur Fans,but not the opposition,so if they could find a"Chink in ur Armour"Your Sexuality or some aspect of ur Personal life,then as far as they were concerned"Everthings fair Game"!Not nice&and it can be unpleasant but let's keep the conversation real!
.Unlike Mr Lineker and Mr Le Saux!!.
what was false???
What is the need of coming out of the closet? No one should care, get on with your life, play your football. It does not make sense.
No one should care, but guess what? They do. That's why people have to come out. Stop trivialising the issue.
Gary the cringe linaker
The apologies at the end were cringe worthy, it was banter on the pitch, noting malicious, no need for an apology.
+3Hunna FTO fuck off gobshite your not a red
SCOUSE Liverpool I thought that at first too, a Scouser who can write and express grown up opinions. Can't be a red, surely.
Draco The Lord How come you all hate us on the internet but never say anything to our faces ?
If your getting changed in the same rooms as men dressed or naked they should know if it’s kept secret I can see how that would make players angry there’s nothing wrong with being gay I’m just saying in this profession the players should know
...football shuda neva a promote battyman ...although the western world a move along these 'progressive lines, me just cyaa rate nuh batty bway, worser that dem in a football...me nuh bizniz wid dem still but boom bye bye me seh...
Oswald Cocking I agreed with you
I feel the same about your kind, bring back the old days
Sausage smoker!!
Member of the brown saloon....
@@011177 🤣😂
saw him take a 30 yard free kick for Villa from an acute angle hit the back of the net what a BENDER it was
Fowler is coooool
PC Britain.
bullshit. they taunted people with slurs. Be a bigot but keep it to yourself society should despise bigotry
that is not going to happen. thank you so much though, too kind! did u take your xanex this morning?
MrRobynLover They only did it as a laugh. If it had been someone they knew was gay they probably would have used different taunts. There is a difference between petty jibes and actual bigotry and persecution. Only people too sensitive to see that say otherwise.
@@PBL187 Only people who've never been on the receiving end think it's harmless fun.
I'm a United fan but that was class when Fowler done that will Le Saux. Funny as fuck.
Fowler GOD
People need to grow a pair . Everyone such SJWS now who are offended by anything .
It's the disgusting freaks.
Justin fashanu came out as a gay blackman in the 80s move on this has been done get over it
Would that be the same Justin Fashanu who was banned from first team training by Brian Clough for being gay, and whose promising career was clearly ruined by the treatment he got for being gay? The same Justin Fashanu who was offered money by his own family not to come out, and then killed himself because he thought he was bringing shame on his family? If you honestly think the way he was treated means these situations "are done" and that people should "get over it" then you're a fucking idiot.
@@RagggedTrouseredPhilanthropist well said mate he is an idiot
I liked him as a player and can't believe he's gay.......what a bummer
Why is it a bummer?
get over it
Did Savage really apologise here?
if u consider denial or bullshit an apology
No