Nicholas Ejak, former dean of students at Oxford High School, was called to the stand during the trial of James Crumbley, the father of the Oxford shooter.
The school had no idea that the kid's dad had purchased a frigging gun for the idiot. I'm sure if they had known that they would have searched his backpack. They met with the parents and the parents should have searched his backpack right then and there. You can blame all kinds of people, but the FACT IS, IS THAT THE FATHER PURCHASED A GUN FOR THE MENTALLY ILL KID!!! WHAT PISS POOR PARENTING. MOM WAS BUSY FOOLING AROUND AND PLAYING WITH HER HORSES. PARENTS ARE 100% RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL THE HORRIBLE THINGS THEIR SON DID TO ALL THOSE STUDENTS.
I agree, none of this would’ve happened if the parents had NOT bought him a gun or at the least kept it locked away from him! I just don’t think the school district gets a pass either. They should have rules that when they find evidence like his drawings on the math paper, he MUST be removed from the school that moment until he’s approved by psychologists to return! There were A-LOT of failures that day!
"The school had no idea that the kid's dad had purchased a frigging gun for the idiot." Sorry to inform you that that fact is irrelevant in the face of the drawings he was caught with in the classroom. Those alone should have raised red alert and compelled the school admins to take action. The whole school safety is at stake, what more do you need to know than those before your very frigging eyes?
The day before the shootings, Ethan was caught researching ammo for his gun on his phone. At that time, he revealed that shooting was a family pastime. The administrators should have assumed that he had access to a gun or at least asked pursued the possibility. The administrators were lazy and negligent. They should be held accountable for their part in enabling this tragic event.
No what’s strange is a dean of students not realizing with all the school shootings and the drawings and bullet research that should have been more then enough info to search the backpack or least have police search
Absolutely. Some earlier commented: "The school had no idea that the kid's dad had purchased a frigging gun for the idiot." Sorry to inform you that that fact is irrelevant in the face of the drawings he was caught with in the classroom. Those alone should have raised red alert and compelled the school admins to take action. The whole school safety is at stake, what more do you need to know than those before your very frigging eyes?
Defense attorneys voice is way too harsh, gets on your nerves after a while. If the jurors like one attorney over the other, makes such a big difference.
True about your last statement about the jury but I feel she is doing a good job in her questioning. Why does everyone criticize the defense attorneys? They are just doing their job.
I can't stand her. The rapid fire speech, impatient waiting for an answer, and speedily asking repetitive questions thinking no one will notice. She doesn't know the detail of the case as well as she thinks she does, so she steamrolls over people. She's trying to intimidate! And her and James need to get a room already! Inappropriate!
Let this sink in for a minute that this dean guy at one point during the meeting was carrying the backpack from one location to another, commenting how heavy it felt...then ultimately let the shooter return to class!
So why would this school allow this student to remain on campus when on one day the same student searching for type of bullets and then this work sheet drawing
Gun culture. He testified that he is aware that it is not uncommon for students to handle firearms. Hunting and shooting ranges are entertainment, especially in towns like Oxford. Plus, when he spoke to Ethan, he felt he was being honest and open about his interest in game design. It's also not unusual for teenagers to draw edgy drawings so it probably passed the sniff test and his parents agreed to get him immediate help. The parents didn't mention firearms nevermind unsecured ones so there was no reason to believe he had a gun. As the dean explained, mental health takes precedence over minor infractions because they want kids to feel safe to express themselves.😊
@@jamesf3148' because the parents did not inform them that their minor son had been illegally given a hand gun.' Sorry to inform you that that fact is irrelevant in the face of the drawings he was caught with in the classroom. Those alone should have raised red alert and compelled the school admins to take action. The whole school safety is at stake, what more do you need to know than those before your very frigging eyes?
He wasn't aware there was a gun and had no reason to search it. He wasn't even aware of easy access to an unsecured gun. The parents knew he had access to a gun, knew it wasn't secured, and didn't say anything to the school or ask Ethan if he had it or check it until after the shooting. There is a reason they immediately knew it was Ethan.
@@tias2705 "He wasn't aware there was a gun and had no reason to search it." Are you kidding me? Are you on the school board in CYA mode? Those drawings are red alert to the school safety, for which he was responsible.
These teachers who sent memos did what they were supposed to. They alerted who they should have. The principal should have taken the drawings seriously. He had the authority to act whereas the councillor stated that he himself didn’t. What more did they need to be concerned? The kid didn’t hide the drawings, sentences of needing help along with the drawings. What has been learned? This is the umpteenth student shooter.
Let this sink in for a minute that this dean guy at one point during the meeting was carrying the backpack from one location to another, commenting how heavy it felt...then ultimately let the shooter return to class!
The defense attorney put the school on notice! They are supposed to to know and be alarmed if they see a student looking at bullets during class and drawing guns and other alarming stuff on a math paper! The school expects the parents to tell them everything and the parents expect the school administrators to know everything! They don’t but both should’ve been alarmed at what they saw and either were!
How many times did the shooter search for bullets after school hours? I am sure he did this more often after school that during school. Why weren't the parents aware of their child's internet activity?
OMG talk about a steamroller attorney, no one can have an opinion different from hers, she wouldn't allow it! What a screeeecher..I'm grinding my teeth listening to this!!!!
Let this sink in for a minute that this dean guy at one point during the meeting was carrying the backpack from one location to another, commenting how heavy it felt...then ultimately let the shooter return to class!
Oh, c'mon - who was responsible for the gun to be properly secured, so that a 15 yo couldn't reach it (and use it - remember, the lock has never been used at all*), if not supervised by an adult? * so JC was fully aware, that all the family (that means EC included) had access to the gun, as he never ever put it on No wonder the witness wasn't suspicious, when even defence attorney knows, how normalized usage of weapons amongs students is around that neighbourhood... And I bet EC wasn't very open about his troubles, I mean, his backpack was heavy, really? So is his schoolmate's. Stop with an excuse that he should be concerned, when his own parentss refused to take EC out of school that day. Who knows the kid better?
'No wonder the witness wasn't suspicious, " You are giving him an excuse NOT to be concerned, aren't you? Whereas he should be hair on fire concerned, he and the dean are responsible for the safety of the whole school. Those drawings alone are enough to warrant search, probing, etc. All the "excuses" they needed to take swift, decisive action was right there before their frigging eyes. They are the last line of the students defense. It's their duty to protect them and they failed miserably. Their days in court are up a coming...
I like this case cuz it brings out such strong emotions to what boils down to accountability- the parents are irresponsible for purchasing a gun for a minor The school is accountable for having some red flags that they relied on the parents to handle - at the end of the day the Crumbley clan are all incarcerated and the children to these sobbing parents are deceased/not one winner here
Obviously, the parents both knew that the child was having mental problems. He had already asked his parents to take him to the doctor you are type lawyer, my God, you you’re the lawyer, that makes the whole system corrupt.
You don’t need a certificate or registration to be a parent, the ones with the degrees and title missed the ball. Simple question “ do you have a gun or access to one. The school consuler wants us to believe that he was going to notify CPS next day yet he says he didn’t see a need for emergent care- then why call CPS at all? This dean wants us to believe he didn’t see a need for a physical search of the boy’s bag based on his assessment Ethan was not a threat problem with that is that he was. He was the very threat that everyone wanted to avoid. The parents are to blame yes, but so are these two Ejac and Hopkins. They did not do due diligence. They chose to dismiss the teachers’ concerns and follow their own false logic and conclusions. They also have blood on their hands.
What people don’t understand is that parents have the ULTIMATE say. Schools can suggest all they want. The parents do not have to abide. And yes the parents purposely withheld vital information that they bought a gun for their child just days before.
not the Deans’s fault …. the parents bought the kid a gun and left it lying around the house like a tv remote…if people want to hold schools responsible for ensuring kids don’t have guns then we need to raise taxes and hire security like they have at airports …. or just have reasonable gun control
"not the Deans’s fault …." Let this sink in for a minute that this dean guy at one point during the meeting was carrying the backpack from one location to another, commenting how heavy it felt...then ultimately let the shooter return to class!
@@newhorizon4066 he is an educator not a security guard …. the parents did not say a word about him having a gun …. the school thought he was suicidal… kids don’t generally commit suicide at school they do it at home ….kids backpackers are heavy these days i can see how he would not think anything of it …. hindsight in 20/20 leave the poor guy alone
@@mattwas2896 "he is an educator not a security guard " He was an adult in position of authority, and responsible for the well-being of the school (staff, students, etc.) He saw those drawings, picked up the backpack, commented that it was heavy, and wasn't alarmed or had an inkling what might happen or something in the backpack need to be look at, a gun, a bomb? According to your logic, let's say there's a fire in the office, he's not a firefighter so he just sat there and watched? smh.
@@newhorizon4066 please…he would call 911 not fire the fire himself……they alerted the parents it was their responsibility to ensure he did not have access to a gun that they bought him …. he was not even old enough to own a gun … the dean probably never even handled a gun …. not everyone has a pile of guns lying around their house… i am a college professor and don’t know anything about guns …. i go to work to teach snd help my students
This Dean of Students is a quack. How could he miss the red flags 🚩🚩🚩being waved in his face ( and the parents too ) and let this troubled kid who was literally begging for help STAY in school ?!!!!!!
I agree. The string of each administrator responsibilities seems so minimal that nothing gets accomplished as it should. It's very frustrating to listen to this man say there was nothing of concern.
@@tias2705"there was no reason to believenhe had a gun and the intention to commit mass murder." No reason, you must be kidding? Those drawings were a joke, to you, I guess? Or you too are too deep in gaming?
The school had no idea that the kid's dad had purchased a frigging gun for the idiot. I'm sure if they had known that they would have searched his backpack. They met with the parents and the parents should have searched his backpack right then and there. You can blame all kinds of people, but the FACT IS, IS THAT THE FATHER PURCHASED A GUN FOR THE MENTALLY ILL KID!!! WHAT PISS POOR PARENTING. MOM WAS BUSY FOOLING AROUND AND PLAYING WITH HER HORSES. PARENTS ARE 100% RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL THE HORRIBLE THINGS THEIR SON DID TO ALL THOSE STUDENTS.
Are you done screaming
I agree, none of this would’ve happened if the parents had NOT bought him a gun or at the least kept it locked away from him! I just don’t think the school district gets a pass either. They should have rules that when they find evidence like his drawings on the math paper, he MUST be removed from the school that moment until he’s approved by psychologists to return! There were A-LOT of failures that day!
"The school had no idea that the kid's dad had purchased a frigging gun for the idiot." Sorry to inform you that that fact is irrelevant in the face of the drawings he was caught with in the classroom. Those alone should have raised red alert and compelled the school admins to take action. The whole school safety is at stake, what more do you need to know than those before your very frigging eyes?
The day before the shootings, Ethan was caught researching ammo for his gun on his phone. At that time, he revealed that shooting was a family pastime. The administrators should have assumed that he had access to a gun or at least asked pursued the possibility. The administrators were lazy and negligent. They should be held accountable for their part in enabling this tragic event.
@newhorizon4066 Meh they both felons now
No what’s strange is a dean of students not realizing with all the school shootings and the drawings and bullet research that should have been more then enough info to search the backpack or least have police search
Appalling neglect! He should have contacted law enforcement immediately for help.
Absolutely. Some earlier commented: "The school had no idea that the kid's dad had purchased a frigging gun for the idiot." Sorry to inform you that that fact is irrelevant in the face of the drawings he was caught with in the classroom. Those alone should have raised red alert and compelled the school admins to take action. The whole school safety is at stake, what more do you need to know than those before your very frigging eyes?
EXACTLY....EXACTLY...THIS IS ALSO ON HIM AND THAT COUNSELOR...THEY HAD THE LAST CHANCE TO SAVE LIVES AND THIS IS ON THM....
@@newhorizon4066 agree absolutely infringing on one person’s civil rights to uphold the civil rights of many is justified in this situation.
it’s sad that all these adults let him down
Defense attorneys voice is way too harsh, gets on your nerves after a while. If the jurors like one attorney over the other, makes such a big difference.
True about your last statement about the jury but I feel she is doing a good job in her questioning. Why does everyone criticize the defense attorneys? They are just doing their job.
I can't stand her. The rapid fire speech, impatient waiting for an answer, and speedily asking repetitive questions thinking no one will notice. She doesn't know the detail of the case as well as she thinks she does, so she steamrolls over people. She's trying to intimidate! And her and James need to get a room already! Inappropriate!
yes. asked and answered! i would like the judge or the witness to ask her to slow down!
I feel badly for these witnesses who have to testify again. The parents could have taken a plea deal and not put everyone through this.
I will never understand why the counselor never went through the shooter’s backpack, or ask the parents to open his backpack !!!!!!!!!!
I KNOW!!! WALK ABOUT COMMON SENSE AND MILD CURIOSITY!! He commented that book bag was pretty heavy.
Let this sink in for a minute that this dean guy at one point during the meeting was carrying the backpack from one location to another, commenting how heavy it felt...then ultimately let the shooter return to class!
They can’t search a students belongings. Need consent
@@Kat37893 No, this is an emergency. They need to search. Common sense, people.
You and James are alike ! It’s illegal to search the backpack - do it anyway! It’s illegal to buy a minor a gun! Do it anyway!!
So why would this school allow this student to remain on campus when on one day the same student searching for type of bullets and then this work sheet drawing
because the parents did not inform them that their minor son had been illegally given a hand gun.
Gun culture. He testified that he is aware that it is not uncommon for students to handle firearms. Hunting and shooting ranges are entertainment, especially in towns like Oxford. Plus, when he spoke to Ethan, he felt he was being honest and open about his interest in game design. It's also not unusual for teenagers to draw edgy drawings so it probably passed the sniff test and his parents agreed to get him immediate help. The parents didn't mention firearms nevermind unsecured ones so there was no reason to believe he had a gun. As the dean explained, mental health takes precedence over minor infractions because they want kids to feel safe to express themselves.😊
@@jamesf3148' because the parents did not inform them that their minor son had been illegally given a hand gun.' Sorry to inform you that that fact is irrelevant in the face of the drawings he was caught with in the classroom. Those alone should have raised red alert and compelled the school admins to take action. The whole school safety is at stake, what more do you need to know than those before your very frigging eyes?
@@newhorizon4066 so you think the parents and the school are to blame?
You are testifying that you took possession of the backpack but then give the backpack to the murderer student
Yes, and he thinks he did nothing wrong!
He wasn't aware there was a gun and had no reason to search it. He wasn't even aware of easy access to an unsecured gun. The parents knew he had access to a gun, knew it wasn't secured, and didn't say anything to the school or ask Ethan if he had it or check it until after the shooting. There is a reason they immediately knew it was Ethan.
@@tias2705 "He wasn't aware there was a gun and had no reason to search it." Are you kidding me? Are you on the school board in CYA mode? Those drawings are red alert to the school safety, for which he was responsible.
These teachers who sent memos did what they were supposed to. They alerted who they should have. The principal should have taken the drawings seriously. He had the authority to act whereas the councillor stated that he himself didn’t. What more did they need to be concerned? The kid didn’t hide the drawings, sentences of needing help along with the drawings. What has been learned? This is the umpteenth student shooter.
Let this sink in for a minute that this dean guy at one point during the meeting was carrying the backpack from one location to another, commenting how heavy it felt...then ultimately let the shooter return to class!
The defense attorney put the school on notice! They are supposed to to know and be alarmed if they see a student looking at bullets during class and drawing guns and other alarming stuff on a math paper! The school expects the parents to tell them everything and the parents expect the school administrators to know everything! They don’t but both should’ve been alarmed at what they saw and either were!
How many times did the shooter search for bullets after school hours? I am sure he did this more often after school that during school. Why weren't the parents aware of their child's internet activity?
I think the defense attorney is on speed er something cuz she’s jabbering on a hundred words a second. Geeze
Why always the criticism of the defense attorneys? I think she is doing a good job in her questioning and is just doing her job.
She does talk a bit fast, but this might be in purpose…
I think she’s very effective..I things the faster she talks the puts pressure on the person on the stand
OMG talk about a steamroller attorney, no one can have an opinion different from hers, she wouldn't allow it! What a screeeecher..I'm grinding my teeth listening to this!!!!
Let this sink in for a minute that this dean guy at one point during the meeting was carrying the backpack from one location to another, commenting how heavy it felt...then ultimately let the shooter return to class!
Oh, c'mon - who was responsible for the gun to be properly secured, so that a 15 yo couldn't reach it (and use it - remember, the lock has never been used at all*), if not supervised by an adult?
* so JC was fully aware, that all the family (that means EC included) had access to the gun, as he never ever put it on
No wonder the witness wasn't suspicious, when even defence attorney knows, how normalized usage of weapons amongs students is around that neighbourhood... And I bet EC wasn't very open about his troubles, I mean, his backpack was heavy, really? So is his schoolmate's.
Stop with an excuse that he should be concerned, when his own parentss refused to take EC out of school that day. Who knows the kid better?
'No wonder the witness wasn't suspicious, " You are giving him an excuse NOT to be concerned, aren't you? Whereas he should be hair on fire concerned, he and the dean are responsible for the safety of the whole school. Those drawings alone are enough to warrant search, probing, etc. All the "excuses" they needed to take swift, decisive action was right there before their frigging eyes. They are the last line of the students defense. It's their duty to protect them and they failed miserably. Their days in court are up a coming...
I like this case cuz it brings out such strong emotions to what boils down to accountability- the parents are irresponsible for purchasing a gun for a minor The school is accountable for having some red flags that they relied on the parents to handle - at the end of the day the Crumbley clan are all incarcerated and the children to these sobbing parents are deceased/not one winner here
It is also the dean's fault.
Scroll to 21:40 - Let it run and watch the judge's face! 😂
“i mean, she’s not wrong…” 😂
To think that ONE small act of looking in his backpack that would have taken SECONDS could have prevented this WHOLE thing is devastating!!
Obviously, the parents both knew that the child was having mental problems. He had already asked his parents to take him to the doctor you are type lawyer, my God, you you’re the lawyer, that makes the whole system corrupt.
How the school never felt it imperative to confiscate the knapsack is beyond me!
Wow all caps, sorry school failed also.
You don’t need a certificate or registration to be a parent, the ones with the degrees and title missed the ball. Simple question “ do you have a gun or access to one. The school consuler wants us to believe that he was going to notify CPS next day yet he says he didn’t see a need for emergent care- then why call CPS at all? This dean wants us to believe he didn’t see a need for a physical search of the boy’s bag based on his assessment Ethan was not a threat problem with that is that he was. He was the very threat that everyone wanted to avoid. The parents are to blame yes, but so are these two Ejac and Hopkins. They did not do due diligence. They chose to dismiss the teachers’ concerns and follow their own false logic and conclusions. They also have blood on their hands.
Absolutely. Thank you for explain it to those who still want to cover the school admins behind. Their days in (civil) court are up a coming...
Why the head phones on James Crumbly?
He has hearing problems
Clearly this dude has been told what to say and what not to say!
What people don’t understand is that parents have the ULTIMATE say. Schools can suggest all they want. The parents do not have to abide. And yes the parents purposely withheld vital information that they bought a gun for their child just days before.
Defense attorney’s voice is horrendously ear piercing! Have another cup of coffee lady.
jeez this Dean of Student was out to lunch!
not the Deans’s fault …. the parents bought the kid a gun and left it lying around the house like a tv remote…if people want to hold schools responsible for ensuring kids don’t have guns then we need to raise taxes and hire security like they have at airports …. or just have reasonable gun control
The same reason, half of kids, parents don't know what they are doing at any given time.
"not the Deans’s fault …." Let this sink in for a minute that this dean guy at one point during the meeting was carrying the backpack from one location to another, commenting how heavy it felt...then ultimately let the shooter return to class!
@@newhorizon4066 he is an educator not a security guard …. the parents did not say a word about him having a gun …. the school thought he was suicidal… kids don’t generally commit suicide at school they do it at home ….kids backpackers are heavy these days i can see how he would not think anything of it …. hindsight in 20/20 leave the poor guy alone
@@mattwas2896 "he is an educator not a security guard " He was an adult in position of authority, and responsible for the well-being of the school (staff, students, etc.) He saw those drawings, picked up the backpack, commented that it was heavy, and wasn't alarmed or had an inkling what might happen or something in the backpack need to be look at, a gun, a bomb? According to your logic, let's say there's a fire in the office, he's not a firefighter so he just sat there and watched? smh.
@@newhorizon4066 please…he would call 911 not fire the fire himself……they alerted the parents it was their responsibility to ensure he did not have access to a gun that they bought him …. he was not even old enough to own a gun … the dean probably never even handled a gun …. not everyone has a pile of guns lying around their house… i am a college professor and don’t know anything about guns …. i go to work to teach snd help my students
This Dean of Students is a quack. How could he miss the red flags 🚩🚩🚩being waved in his face ( and the parents too ) and let this troubled kid who was literally begging for help STAY in school ?!!!!!!
His parents didn't want to take him and there was no reason to believenhe had a gun and the intention to commit mass murder.
I agree. The string of each administrator responsibilities seems so minimal that nothing gets accomplished as it should. It's very frustrating to listen to this man say there was nothing of concern.
The kid was suicidal so they thot better keep him in class so he won't feel alone. Wtf
@@tias2705"there was no reason to believenhe had a gun and the intention to commit mass murder." No reason, you must be kidding? Those drawings were a joke, to you, I guess? Or you too are too deep in gaming?
Found guilty on all charges