What is a GTR? - Puyo Puyo Analysis
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- čas přidán 13. 07. 2024
- If you’ve been exposed to the Puyo Puyo games at all, chances are you’ve heard the term “GTR”. The GTR or "Great Tanaka Rensa" is the most popular and widely used chaining technique in Puyo Puyo, so much so that around 85% of all Puyo Puyo players use, and a lot of the player base that do use it, solely rely on the form. Considering the multitude of other chaining forms available, that’s a lot of the player base constantly spamming the same form over and over again with very little variety.
Why is it so popular? Is it Overpowered, and How do we Build it? This video is an analysis of this one little chaining form that defines high level Puyo Puyo gameplay as we know it.
GTR Flowchart (Translated) - OnemiESESEBEME/st...
Timestamps
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Introduction - 0:00
What Is A GTR? - 0:10
Why Is GTR So Popular? - 2:28
Demonstration - 3:39
The Complications of GTR - 7:06
Is GTR Overpowered? - 8:54
Outro - 10:05
References
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GTR (Puyo Puyo Form) - www.chueq.com/puyo/learn/gtr/
Schematic GTR - Bayoen! - www-bayoen-fr.translate.goog/...
GTR for Beginners - Puyo Nexus Wiki - puyonexus.com/wiki/GTR_for_Be...
GTR | Puyo Bro! - puyo-euphonic.com/puyo-gtr
Stop Using GTR - puyo-camp.jp/posts/98435
Transition - Puyo Nexus Wiki - puyonexus.com/wiki/Transition
Patterns and Transitions 3: GTR & More - Puyo Nexus Wiki - puyonexus.com/wiki/Transition
List of Chaining Forms - Puyo Nexus Wiki - puyonexus.com/wiki/List_of_Ch...
GTR Flowchart - EdMcBeaf/status/8...
Puyo Puyo Tetris: GTR Tutorial - • Puyo Puyo Tetris: GTR ...
Puyo Puyo Champions | Intermediate Tutorial: GTR Techniques - • Puyo Puyo Champions | ...
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As a diehard freestyler, glad to see acknowledgement for us weirdos who don't wanna/can't be bothered learning/doing proper chain forms.
Fr man
me too idk how to do chains like idk how to do combos in ssbu
Me as well, I play against my sister who uses them, and I can't understand how she does it at all
@@lorelaimorace-kk1xz this is so real
Same
Me, someone who has never touched Puyo Puyo: Ah yes uh huh, indeed
the part about learning how to chain before learning gtr is so true. i started puyo using nothing but gtr, but i'd have a lot of trouble getting past a 7. for the past few months, i switched to only using sandwich and now i can consistently get 10 chains in solo play. i'm excited to try using gtr again in my matches
Very informative, thank you Schoell~
I don't think there are many simple guides out there explaining how GTR works, so this is really helpful for someone who's looking to get into Puyo
I haven't played Puyo in some time, but I remember trying to use the GTR transition, failing to do anything meaningful with it, and just giving up to return to Sandwich. Having it explained like this actually provides a lot of insight on -why- you would use something like this and how. Kind of makes me want to boot up PPT2 or something again.
this is a really well-put tutorial! i'm mainly a tetris player who always struggle or slow when building chains. i've always been freestyling at most and ended up doing hellfires
great work schoell :D
I play both
as a beginner who recently got PPT2 and PPC on the xbox, this is a really useful video! thanks! your channel really motivates me to become a better player in puyo :)
I always wondered what the exact setup was for gtr but could never figure it out from your other videos. This helps a lot because I’ve been wanting to learn to use it myself!
I absolutely blame your great videos for my Puyo addiction btw
Good video. I get the method more now.
Also I'm glad you explained GTR is more of tool then the garanteed best way to play and that you encouraged other ways first. That is something I agree with. In a Tumblr post I did a while back recommending Puyo on how to recommend getting people into Puyo I said let them play how they wanna play. When they're ready to do more serious stuff like GTR then they're ready, no need to hurry to get to that point.
It's like if a kid this day and age gets into casual Smash Melee, you just let them play how they want and later decide they wanna get serious. That's how I see it anyways.
I'll rewatch it a few times and try see myself improving.
I saw that post actually, it was a good read!
The circles I usually frequent lean into the more competitive side which has a lot of GTR propaganda and its usage is near universal, where I guess it's fine there but for those getting into the series... well yeah I don't think it's the best plan to forcefully a specific setup before anything else.
Not against anyone using it, it's a strong technique and you can grow with it as a player, but I'm very much an advocator of just having fun with the game and using what personally works for that person. If they want to clean up their play a little bit or learn some new things, the resources are always there, but it shouldn't be forced down their throat either.
@@SchoellScrub Agreed. If a newbie thinks Feli is cool or something, let them play as Feli to their hearts content. It shouldn't matter if they become a more serious player to me, that's that random newbie's choice to make. And if they go serious good on them.
Good Guide
Really explains the basics and intricacies of doing GTR plus the explanation on why GTR shouldn't be the first thing newer Puyo Players learn
I really wished I knew this when first stepping into Puyo lol
but the past was in the past
the editing is great and fun to watch!! thank you maguro from puyo puyo for showing us how to puyo in this very informative video
I remember when you first showed me the flow chart I was like “oh ok that seems cool” BUT GOD IT HELPS WAY TOO MUCH AND IM SO THANKFUL
As a newbie, I came to this channel to see how it was done.
Not only have I now found a new fav content creator, but they’ve now taught me how to improve too. Perfect
Babe wake up, new schoell upload
"small part of a larger puzzle" is a nice way to end the topic.
Definitely worth the time learning the meaning of GTR with this video.
Woah, that was really informative! i didnt really knew much about how the puyo chains worked but after watching you explain it i think i understand them more. Very cool video!
i would really love to see more videos like this from you schoell!! i really want to start playing ppt2 competitively but i have no idea to start and i’ve been trying to figure out what GTR means for ages now (go to right? good try, random?? idk). thanks so much for making this!!! ❤
Really found this video very helpful about the GTR, really do like how you go into much detail about it. And I do find this extremely helpful for those who wanna tackle GTR!
Thanks for explaining the theory behind GTR, this is one of the only resources I could find for explaining GTR, the in game tutorials don't do a good at explaining it
Thank you very much! I pretty much understood what a GTR is when you showed one in one of your videos, but i didn't know what the general idea was behind making one and why so many people use it. Now i do!
love the omori music!! i came across ur channel through your shorts, and i’m currently binging your videos atm ^_^!!
Really helpful. I will come back to this video when I'm in the Puyo mood again. Which will be probably soon.
I played Puyo Casually, but you have opened my eyes to all the rocket science that goes into it.
It still feels intimidating, but I should properly learn it someday.
Interesting video, great presentation. ~~I fit into the last category described at the end so I don't have much to contribute, but this was fun to follow through nonetheless~~
As a brand new puyo player i can't overstate how useful and informative this video was. So well presented and concise and well written. You saved me a lot of time and trouble learning this game. Totally earned my sub.
I love how you put the characters like how you do
I've gotten used to doing more GTR recently after some mishaps I've had with Stairs. Kinda implementing it with a Sandwich as an opener
But after that's done I end to do a lot of Freestyle chains, since I have a hard time recognizing when I can go for proper chain forms besides the beginning of the game
Pretty cool to know the history behind it tho!
This video is great i'm glad i Cross with it. I love to see some stairs or sándwich or other chain tutorial. I unfurtonally only learned gtr as a amateur ando i strugle alot with the second floor
I have been freestyling puyo for fun for years now but a friend asked me to help them learn puyo, this video is very useful to direct them
Your videos are so informative for someone who bought puyopuyo just so they could play tetris!
This takes me back... This makes me want to play "Dr. Robotnik’s Mean Bean Machine" again.
The fact you made the great tensai ringo joke, this video is perfect
very well made, this will be extremely helpful for new players 👀
this video is so well made !!
It's about time I learn how to play puyo puyo. I've played mean bean machine as a kid and killed at it. DONTT KNOW HOW but now I'm ready 😤
thank you for the vod cuz dang I suck at it now
As someone who recently got really into Puyo Puyo but has no idea how to do a GTR, this video was very informative! I feel like I need to learn other ways to chain first though, I barely know how to make stairs...
Thank you for showing me this because in your puyo shenanigans videos I always here the word GTR when I tried to searched GTR on Google it just gave a car for some reason!
I love to freestyle; so learning more about puyo's structures an a very informative manner is really really good!
4:00 it's actually very possible for that to happen in some games, like Tsu (at least in the arcade version)
True but it’s very version and context dependent and I’m talking in the context of the modern Puyo games in a versus scenario generally. Even in Tsu’s multiplayer mode it decides the first 2 pieces before you can set the spiciness value so it sets it to sweet on the first 2 pieces meaning you can only see 3 different colors within the first 2 pieces.
Where you can see it in Tsu is in story mode where the spiciness level is determined before the pieces are loaded and you can’t select or modify the ruleset which is why you can see 4 different colors on floor 2 and above.
Thanks so much! This really helps me think through GTR.
(Also I heard Omori music so you have good taste)
Haha, I basically edited this right after my first playthrough of the game so it’s on my mind c:
Funny, I was just trying to figure out GTRs yesterday. Been trying to get good at the game for a hot minute.
So GTR requires the collaboration of the sandwich method and the stairs transition......Got it 🙂👍
Not entirely "requires" but they're useful follow-ups to know regardless.
Informative, thx bro
I treat GTR as just the natural conclusion of anyone trying to optimise their chain.
But this is more out of my personal experience with it. I at first really tried to freestyle my chains, until I reached the point (basically by looking at competitive Puyo information) that I was doing GTR without even trying.
Wow, that's GTR then? Cool, I can see why people like it. It gives an air of complexity, and building off the initial GTR certainly is a complex task it seems. Either way, great video. :3
Ive accidentally discovered GTR when i was playing around, now im researching theory behind it
I actually started playing this game more recently trying to wanting to learn 10-chains, I was only able to get 5-chains consistently using sandwiching and stairs. It wasn't till recently I started implementing GTR into my board that I started getting at least some 7-chains but they're still really tricky, there's a lot of things to consider while using this form like the color combos, I find that even with this form there's still so much free forming or stuff you got to be able to improvise a lot on the RNG and it really is just a REALLY small part of the game
I’m trying to get 7 or more chains consistently before I actually leave the pure free styling approach with occasional stairs if it presents itself though I should probably step outside my comfort zone and play online more often if I want to really deepen my understanding of puyo before thinking about learning chaining techniques
@crazycanyon3028 That definitely helps, especially since that's like half the fun in puyo, too, with free styling. I somehow got consistent with pulling 9-10 chains in Puyo Puyo, but I still gotta build these chains a little faster 😓. It's definitely a big improvement in three months. Here's to hoping your journey with the game continues as well!
You finally explained it in a simpler way than Sega themselves!
Great video, I wish this existed when I was trying to learn GTR! Have you considered doing any similar analysis on more rare setups, like yayoi?
I theoretically could, I just think that there’d be a lot less to talk about the forms and it would focus more on the mini-guide aspect and I’m not sure how interesting of a video it would be.
Like I’d absolutely love to maybe talk about L-Shape at some point but that’s because of my inherent adoration for the form, and I don’t have the expertise with others, but I could do some research of my own like I did with this one.
The world needed this video
Since I'm too unga bunga brained to do any chain that requires foresight, I always just default to stairs and had zero idea what a GTR properly was until this video came out.
I was stuck in GTR hell for *years* and there's a reason why I stopped relying on it - It's so well known that it's a predictable means of causing a quick 2-3 chain harass to cover the first column and lock the chain out of its first floor. It got to a point where I learned other chain forms (Sandwich, L-shape, Stairs in particular) and adapted my playstyle to sandwiches after unlearning habits from GTR.
I would say that learning sandwich eventually leads you into GTR in a sense. It's natural to fit a GTR on floor 2 to get into floor 3 if you adjust the height of your sandwich or stairs, but you still have to notice the risks before going for that GTR especially on higher floors. The rewards for taking that risk is a clean transition to floor 3 which is sometimes harder when your "floor" for floor 2 is uneven. Like you said: Know your fundamental chaining forms. It'll be a pain to unlearn bad habits if you take the game seriously in the future.
Finally i can learn!
I'm part of that elite 15% that don't, coz we're tough and cool and smart and original and good looking
I could really use some polishing to do on Puyo Puyo. I had been learning a bit of the setups ever since I got my hands of Puyo Puyo.....2 on the Sega 3D Classics Collection.
I was actually looking forward to learning bits of Puyo ever since the Puyo Puyo Tetris English localization days. I'm mostly a Tetris guy (knowing useful stuff like Perfect Clear Opener to T-spin setups that I had memories using them to screw my friends over lol) but that Swap mode does want me to get my hands on Puyo Puyo.
It's nice to see how this vid encourages learning the basics of puyo like learning how to build chains before attempting to learn GTR. While I can give myself sometime to learn how to build chains when I do have free time to research, I still have no idea how to even build proper chains to begin with before watching this video.
that being said, i am definitely one of the people that knew nothing about puyo anyways and still stuck around to the end. you're welcome lol
(But hey, this gives this vid a replay value for me once I DO get my head warped into Puyo Puyo. That and potentially Shenaningans since I ended up re-watching those lately)
EVERYONE WAKE UP THE MAN HIMSELF HAS MADE A VIDEO!!!!
Time for tailing analysis
I made up a pac-attack equivalent of that called "Jank Ghost Palace" or "J.G.P"
I'm very much a freestyle player. Basically I fly by the seat of my pants and try to make basic chains work. Sometimes I can make 3 chains but it's a start. If I'm not fast enough, it really snowballs against me, forcing me to lose out
I overuse GTR tbh. It's muscle memory. I know it's better to avoid GTR in Sun (especially on the actual classic sun games, due to how Sun Puyo are placed there) and in Fever (where it just takes time away that would be better spent gathering Fever points), but it's so intuitive to build that I usually do it without thinking about it....
Learning GTR is just the begining
i think that a puyo puyo x persona series crossover could be quite neat since:
it could allow for lidelle considering draco her sister, less for appearances, but more because she never had a family, with draco being the closest, (if not confirmed to be her in-blood sister) to a genuine familiar bond.
amitie cuestioning if magic can bring joy, since she usually uses it for friendly clashes of power, who's to say, if she's casted out by the world, or tempted by a lust for power, would she use the darkness of her own gifted magic to make them pay, or stay by her creed.
sig having to face the past, or lack of it, that made him almost apatethic, being to silent and stoic for his own good (a different light for his mind in the clouds-like deadpan, dead inside, behavior)
what made ecolo... the crazy psychotic sadistic powered freak.
the mental battle schezo constantly faces, between himself and his lust for power.
what made lemres the man he is, is he genuinely kind with children because he cares... or by something that became to much for him to bear the guilt from.
if arle remembers the old world... and what she truly bears.
squares and marle's fear of someone taking away humanity's free will, and how it could potentially be themselves the greatest of evil.
what incites draco to fight, pride, envy, or the feeling of being to weak to defend those who she cares for.
many ideas born and forged, through the shadow, the true self... and the creed of all persona wielders who fight the darkness: "i am thou, thou art I"
also considering the scenario, it couldd lead to this: (keep in mind, lidelle and ringo already awakened to their personas: fa-mulan and artemis godess of hunt, respectively)
amitie: i learned new tricks... whos's to say i could win today.
raffina: those personas might seem powerful, but my fist will be the one to TALk!!
arle: bring it on, ringo and lidelle... and makoto and ryuji
ringo and lidelle: well... IT'S ON!!
(before arle, raffina and amitie could even launch their 15-chain spell)
ryuji: heh, zap them off board, kidd... ZIODYNE!!
captain kidd proceeds to paralize our dear trio
makoto: just in case...
she heals everyone.
lidelle: whelp... on it!! fa-mulan, unleash the dragon's roar!!
a dragon, similar to mushu, roars mightly, and raffina, amitie, and arle simultaneously are assaulted by a great fear.
ringo guards, not for caution... but to taunt.
ringo: time to finish this, don't ya agree?
ryuji: YEAH!! now we're talking... up to you makoto...
baton pass 1
makoto: thanks... but a give it to lidelle
baton pass 2
lidelle: straight to you ringo!
baton pass 3
ringo: thanks... now, artemis, let's give them a taste of our new power... beastly BARRAGE!!
artemis summoned from her sword, the spirit of a grizzly, which proudly readied his final assault to end the match.
arle: just...
raffi, ami and arle: incredible!!!
the three are snapped out of their fear, kissing the floor on defeat.
ryuji: wonderfully done ringo!!
raffina: can i ask... what was THAT?
lidelle: a simple baton pass on turn kill
Me studying to beat the AI in PPT story mode
Edit: WOW I wish this type of video existed back when PPT1 first released, I would have played Puyo much more
finally I know what a gtr is and how to do it
Nice.
7:15 "if it looks like a car than it's GTR" nothing about this pile of blobs and jelly beans looks like a car to me whatsoever, I can confirm Rulue is not just overconfident, she's also blind.
anyway, i find this quite helpful aswell, I try to expand my own knowledge and use other things too, but yes this is rather a creative setup if constructed properly. well done on this Schoell
I always struggle trying to build something off of GTR. I always feel like I'm more consistent doing a sandwich opener. Especially because with some smart building and a touch of good RNG, the second floor is a mostly level surface, which makes it easier to build there. That said, the sandwich opener can be a bit inconsistent if you get bad pieces, whereas GTR is very easy and consistent. Decisions, decisions...
1:35 YOU WILL BE HEARING FROM MY LAWYERS!! And I will drain all the liquids form your mortal body when you sleep but that’s less important…
YOOO THATS MY BOY LEMRES THERE
As someone who started with stairs I can say that it's a much more beginner friendly formation to learn than GTR
めっちゃ発音良くグレート田中連鎖って言うのおもしろw
i watched this while eating cereal
Gaming tetris reeeee!!!!!
GTR? More like Gig Time Rush!
OOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!
gtr? what's that?
I just put the funny beans toghether and things happen
STAIRS SUPREMACY
Edit time!
My last question was pretty bad, so I've got better ones.
Anyone know a good guide to t-spins? I want to get better at the game.
Also, how long did it take for you to understand combos in poyo like you do now Schoell?😊
i need a trick to get my trigger color in less than 25 pairs while my oponent is chaining, is there any?
why am i watching puyo puyo game theory the only puyo puyo games ive played are kirbys avalanche and sonic mania
cool video though
That's great now can you teach me L-shape?
Maybe at some point in the future.
L-Shape is actually my go to in most circumstances, but we'll cross that bridge when we get there haha.
No way!!!!!!!!!!
I use gtr but i think the stairs is better im just not good at the stairs thats why i don't use it ( yeah i play the game since 2018 and im still a noob )
Noooooo, you're creating more GTR users! Hahahaha
What GTR ISN'T is Stairs, the superior form #StairsHype
Stairs mfs when a 2 chain hellfire walks in
@@westform22 If you die to that you're doing it wrong lol
@@Wizzkidwasget them telt wizz!
GTR players when a 3 chain harassment walks in
I hate this game so much I won't stop playing it until it finally clicks in my head how to be good at it. I am too stubborn for this
I'm a person who wants to be a puyo puyo pro, not a tetris pro
Schoell make a class for me 😢😢😢😢
I kinda call the y joint the "Dick Puyos" hahaha
yeah you seem like someone who uses a maguro sprite as themselves (what do I even mean by this(
why everyone do it on the left?
You kinda just answered your own question, people do GTR on the left side BECAUSE everyone else does it on the left and that’s how many learn the form. It’s mostly down to personal preference on what side you want to build it on.
The only real difference is negligible and that’s the position of the X that tops out your board. You could argue building on the right is safer because of that, but really not by much. In that same vein you could argue that you have a little bit more room on the third floor of the chain to build so that’s just how it goes.
TANAKA? like TANAKA'S [amazing/shady] COMMODITIES?!?!?!??!?!?!? PERSONA REFERENCE!??!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!
i am so sorry
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well, since i don't find you in kirby live radio, and want to showcase this as an idea: well here we go
thomas oldfrey
-the sinner of the old world.
powers: knows the sins of everyone, and their trauma trigger
cunningness worthy of a chessmaster
snake-smooth tongue, and manipulation skills from cognitive research
can learn any weapon from fighting their wielder... once
nulification of purification and puyo spells... that are not born through the true self and revelious will of the user
pyrokinesis criokinesis, psychic manipulation, mastery over light and darkness
weaknesses: loses to persona users by point above, can be mind controlled, insta kill spells, a fellow servant in sin, star bullets, and someone who is worthy by his judgement to defeat him.
a man of misterious origin whose past is unknown, but thanks to years of research and training in analitical psychology and manipulation of the collective unconcious allows him to be the wielder of erebus's soul, which he took from the eternally felled by the pink demon archfiend of nihilism incarnate, his mastery over everyone's sins allows him to break the will of any magical girl who stands in his way, he incites the darkness of who he fights, imprisoning them on a mental state of the perfect fusion between public persona, and true self which enforces a pay evil onto evil mentality, perfect for his crusade to conquer the magical worlds and bring, by his own power, divine justice and order.
You're more efficient at teaching than my college professors
I'm gald this exists 🥹
I wish I was that good at puyo 🥲