Reviewing Every Leverless Controller I Could Get My Hands On
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- čas přidán 7. 06. 2024
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0:00 reviewing what I have
7:54 the takeaways
11:49 button ASMR
featuring leverless options from
Junkfood Arcades (Snackbox Micro) junkfoodarcades.com/
Granola Arcade (Raindrop) granola.games/
TSR:ACT (HyperCube) www.tsract.gg/
Paradise Arcade Shop (MPress) paradisearcadeshop.com/
Razer (Kitsune) www.razer.com/console-control...
Haute42 (T13) haute42.com/haute-pad-t-series/
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• The main advantage of playing on pad is that you can hold it behind your head whenever you’re feeling silly.
• The main advantage of playing on stick is that you can lift it _by_ the joystick to show other people how you’re cool and don’t give a f***.
• The main advantage of playing on leverless is that, if you’re ever at a tournament on a snowy mountainside and suddenly there’s a massive avalanche, you can use the controller as a makeshift snowboard and ride to safety.
All great options, IMO.
I'm sorry but lifting your stick by the joystick is insane behavior
The main advantage of a joystick is that they tend to be heavy and you can use it for self defense. Obviously.
It's why it's called an "arcade" stick. 😆
I genuinely prefer retro games on stick and more modern games on hitbox
I have a hitbox already but I wanna grab a stick so I can switch between them for each game and sometimes even characters (istg Makoto 3s feels clunky on hitbox and I don’t know why)
Leverless is also good if like putting things away in bags :)
thank you, i'm sure i'll find one of these useful someday, even after i stop playing fighting games
After much thought, I think the DK Bongos might be the right controller for me. Thanks Stage Ham :) 👍
All new micros have PS5 native support since they upgraded their PCBs late last year!
Came to say this, it’s what settled my decision to buy one as my daily driver leverless.
Yeah, would be worth pinning this. It's what pushed me to go with my Snackbox a few months ago.
yeah, although i think they also raised their price somewhat significantly when they did that. i grabbed one for like 300/350 if i remember correctly and the compat is great but it isn't quite the budget option that it used to be
@@FiestaDeUnoyeah. If you buy an out of the box snack box today, it should have ps5 support
Definitely placed an order because I found this out as well. It’s even better than it was before lol
Dear,Thank you so much for doing this! It's really a huge honor to us that you like our products❤
Hey, I was a little bored of my hitbox, so just I bought a T13 from your store! it will arrive in 2 weeks (Im from Spain). Looking fordwar to it!!
As a person who mostly plays pad and stick, I got the Haute42 T16 a week ago and its really sick. Good option if you're interested in leverless and willing to spend not that much on one. The other Haute42 options are also cheaper than the T16.
would it be okay if i bound multiple buttons to 8? what’re the rules on that
I keep hearing it kinda pales in comparison to sanwa and the like, but it's not like sanwa buttons are 3x better than them so yeah good mid price option
got the T16 recently too, its surprising how cheap it is with its really good quality and firmware, i thought i was getting scammed but no its really a good leverless for people who don't wanna pay too much or live in the EU
also buttons are easy to replace so general maintenance costs are pretty low, if you ever need it in the future
Same, and it was pretty much the same price in Europe from Amazon (Branded as sehawei) when it has historically been hard to find affordable leverless controllers in EU. Really nice leverless especially for the price and the gp2040 configuration options are super handy.
Haute42 has to by far be the best on a budget. Got the G13 for like $40 and it feels closer to $60 or $70.
That button sound bit really lit up my neurons. So crispy
If you do already have a leverless with the types of switches the Snack Box Micro uses, I'd highly recommend trying out the pink, 25-gram switches. As long as you don't have problems with accidental inputs, the light switches really make it feel much more responsive. Plus, it's only a dollar per switch, so if you don't like it, you can put the default ones back on.
I got my first leverless controller yesterday, A Haute 42 G16. It is small but still comfortable, there is a learning curve but I already feel the potential. Great buy, fast shipping to the Netherlands (a week)
I just got my snackbox micro the other day! Super excited to be learning it
It's not going to help you. Way to waste all that money.
@@intellectic9155 I hope your day gets better
@@intellectic9155youre poor
@@intellectic9155why would you even say that?
cause its true@@trikronika
I really love my mavercade keebbrawler-01 modded with robin switches (most people would prefer the default red ones).
I love the space it has for resting my hands and the layout of buttons. The huge jump button is much appreciated.
Note from someone who uses the MPress: do not buy the first version mpress if you see a listing for it. the one that has a regular type c port soldered onto the board. the usb port is not very strong and liable to wear out and start dropping your connection frequently and it sucks. I had this happen to me and so I ended up having to replace the main board and the issue came back after a year or so. The MPress V2 and any of the special editions for events have all solved this problem and are great
personally i use keyboard
I'm doing that too, but I'm worried that I'm gonna break it.
that's how I started out, then I upgraded to a hitbox once I got comfortable with playing fighting games on a keyboard
@@michaeljesse5290I was the same but it was when I had the money that I switched.
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Same, i broke my button so i play on keyboard
I just recently ordered a custom leverless from Ultra Arcade in Europe. They're decently priced and let you make a good number of changes without charging you any extra. I made a goofy layout with 4 thumb buttons, so I can't wait for it to arrive!
Thanks for this, I am from EU too and wanted to try leverless - but the majority of options I found were way too expensive. UA looks like a great way to get started!
I recently got the Haute Pad t16 and i must say I am impressed with the overall quality. The buttons feel nice and smooth. The fact that the RGB has a built in layout to mimic the SNK cabinets is pretty cool as well.
Just bought the razor whatever it’s called, and man it feels so flipping good! I’m 6’2” with big ole hands and it feels like the perfect size! Excited to get better with it!
damn that midwest comment... my favorite part of my snackbox micro is it fits in my pocket/hoodie pouch lol
Thank goodness Haute42 is here, they're the people's champ putting out less than 100$ controllers out there.
Every SINGLE one of these should be under 100. The cases have no weight, no metal machining and there’s no lever. What the hell are you paying for?
Just ordered my first leverless and its a Haute42. I hope I can make the switch from arcade stick to leverless without too much pain.
*Update* - only took a week to get fully used to it. Will never go back!
You're literally just paying for the parts, the shipping, the brand, and the firmware that allows ps5 functionality. That's why the ps5 hitbox is $100 more than the ps4 compatible one
I have 3 different Haute42 controllers. I love them all.
I bought the Victrix around launch and it's been my daily for a year and change. The obvious con is the price, but a close second is the weight. Still, it has great lap feel and has worked as advertised since I received it. Since the firmware update last May/June we can now change between U+D=U and U+D=N by holding a button combo, which is nice.
Additionally, I would much prefer a Snackbox Micro XL, but the buttons are spaced just a touch too far apart for my hands. Victrix is close to HitBox, iirc.
Also love my Victrix, but yeah they’re pricey
the more stripped down granola arcade model, the trailmix, is the one i got and its pretty solid! it's like $60, nice and small, a good starter controller to test whether you like leverless. battle beaver customs also makes a conversion kit that makes the ps4/ps5 dpads into individual buttons instead of a single pad inside which made my inputs much cleaner, great for when my wrists are getting sore from learning leverless.
The button sounds on leverless controllers sound so nice.
I recently got the Victrix Pro FS-12 and I love it. It was a bit much cost wise but I figured if I was going to get one for my first one I was going to go all out on one. The only thing I disliked about it was how much of a pain it was to switch out the buttons but that was only a one time problem (hopefully). I like the weight of it I like feeling like it is not going to move around when I get a bit carried away hitting buttons. I will never go back to a stick it is so much more comfortable on my hands since I am a bit older now I feel it when I play on a stick for long hours at a time.
My fiancé got me the Razer Kitsune as an early birthday gift recently, and it's honestly amazing! Plugged it up to my PC and it just worked out of the box; Didn't have to fiddle with Drivers or any Softwares.
When not playing Fighting Games, I've been unironically using it for Fortnite Festival (that Guitar Hero/Rock Band gamemode). Haha.
great video, enjoyed it fully. great opinions on controllers
Another advantage i feel from playing on stick is that pressing multiple buttons at the same time, like RCs or Custom Combos, feels way easier and more natural than on pad
Rc is literally one button on pad though?
My fave go-to is Raiden in KOFXIII. He has a Dropkick special that requires you to charge it by holding down one of the kick buttons, which makes it really hard to do on pad but is trivial on fightstick
Damn how far weve gone that hitbox was not even shown.
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They priced themselves out the market.
It's funny that the inventors of the leverless also made the worst leverless
@@craptastrophe521 interestingly enough, that's extremely common. If you don't have a patent on something you "invented, " the likelihood that a competitor improves on the design or price point is pretty high.
I got the razer kitsune as my first fightpad and i absolutely love it, i plugged it into my ps5 and it instantly worked. Now i can throw supers around in the middle of my combos like nobodys business and ill never go back now.
I got a TopStepGG Podium V2. Bulky box since it uses sanwa buttons, and for a bit extra you can get a Brook Fusion board and customizable art.
Got the Haute T16. It's amazing for that price tag.
just ordered one a few days ago
comments like yours made me buy one XD
Thank you Sajam I used this video to decide which one I should get. Got the Razer Kitsune because I value the official PS5 support and it looks like a nice large sturdy option. Pricy but I don't want my controller dying on me in tournament or disconnect woes. Cheers.
It's cool to see your take on these devices!
Would always love you Sajam
Got interested in getting a leverless, tried through keyboard and to me its definitely something i want to try more, only problem is how tight a keyboard is so definitely excited to get one to get access to arcade buttons so it feels better in my hands for my buttons
Mpress gamer here! I'd tried several all buttons prior but it was really a game changer for me. The larger buttons are just amazing.
Something to note for anyone interested, the Evo Mpress is like, 2X heavier than other mpress models. I personally don't have a lot of issue with them sliding in my lap but the normal mpress's are like 6 lb and the evo has to be over 10 minimum.
The kitsune is my first leverless and i'm happy with it. it really looks and feels like a "pc gaming" accessory more than like a specialized fighting game controller. i sit it on my desk and it matches everything else that's rolling with RGB.
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agreed. just got my chun li kitsune after using snack box micro and default hitbox. all have been great but i love the kitsune.
@@minari8076 nice I got the cammy one and love it as well. Idk it just feels so good and comfortable to play with. No more thumb or wrist strains
I've got the Haute42 t16 and it's incredibly comfortable. I do worry about taking it out since the plexi isn't super resilient, so I'd either get a smaller (cheaper) one or the metal option for tournaments
Tournaments often seem to force lapplay for pools so I still recommend the T16. I'm just looking for a good case for it.
I ended up liking the Haute more than my snack box. The concave buttons weren't doing it for me, and I sorta liked having the whole button outside the enclosure compared to what was going on with the Snackbox. Something about the default setup of the Haute madeit way easier or me to it half circles without missing the last ring finger back input for some reason too. Just my personal experience with it.
@@Vespyr_ if you find one let me know please!
@@paztapas I got you. :)
On the Haute controllers, can you map the M1 macro button to up? That's a deal maker for me, since I prefer WASD layout!
God I love that evo artwork on the snackbox
I mainly use a Jasenscustoms stick, which uses the same chassis as the leverless, and I like it a lot. It’s the right size and weight for me, and the aluminum accents let you make some neat color combos. It is _expensive_ though, and since the chassis is sized for levers it’s thicker than a leverless needs to be.
I travel full-time, just got into Tekken and I'm considering getting a tiny hitbox that I can fit in my luggage so this is very helpful. Thanks.
I really like the Razer Kitsune. I started with the Victrix. I liked it. But it is big and heavy. Razer is smaller, thinner and lighter. The action buttons (k and p) are a bit bigger but they are quieter.
MPress and Razer Kitsune (since they updated it to allow SOCD changes) are my favorite leverless controllers.
I have a ScrubTier BentoBox v2. It's just one guy making them, but the built quality is amazing, and much higher than most of the other micro-brand leverless controllers I've used. It's also one of very few made in the UK. Great customer service too.
The Kitsune now does have adjustable SOCD's. Nihongogamer has a video on it!
I'd say the two biggest things for leverless are knowing if you want keyboard switches or arcade buttons and form factor.
If you don't know, go for switches, they can be replaced more easily with more options, in terms of size ask yourself if your cool with sitting exclusively with your legs together while you play.
I want buttons but don't want to spend a fortune so I'm hoping switches are fine. The replacing thing depends - T16 haute for example has almost no options
@@destroyermaker honestly main thing is just finding the right switches and button caps for you. I switched over to a snackbox micro from my fullsize snackbox for most things recently because its easier to just pull out on a whim when I want to play and with the right switches and convex button caps I was able to get it to a very similar feel to the arcade buttons on my full size. Main things you want to look out for are the switch type (clicky, tactile or linear) and the operating force (how much force is needed when pushing the button)
Good to know thanks. I'm coming from hitbox/sanwa to Kailh Choc v2 switches@@ZariLutus. I hear they're not the best but I guess still plenty good value for the money
@@ZariLutus Almost all leverless controllers have micro switches instead of normal keyboard switches, which means 90% of the switches you can find online will be incompatible.
Did Junkfood discontinue their Snackbox V2 cases? I really loved those cases, but doesn't look like they sell them anymore from what I can see on their website :( Is there a similar manufacturer around?
I’ve played on every type of controller. Leverless is by far the best for me. However I also do love playing with a fight stick as well
I bet you like playing with that stick. *wink
I’m so Kitsune-pilled it’s crazy. Has my favorite buttons to press and feels great in my lap. But I definitely still take my Snackbox micro out for spins regularly as a backup/if I don’t plan on registering and just want something to have on me in case I play some friendlies.
The PXN N5 steering wheel dongle also works for GP2040 passthrough. They have the same authentication chip that the wingman and magicboots use
I got the Haute42 mini board, it's all keyboard keys. 35 bucks from amazon been loving it with tekken 8. Especially for that price. The portability with steam deck for lunch time in lab is phenomenal.
I bought a Haute42 T16 around 2 months ago. 80€ and this is my favorite despite having and RAP Hayabusa IV Switch/PC and a Qanba Crystal. But since I started playing Tekken I prefer stick over the T16 for it, so it's really up to preference depending on the game.
Button press ASMR, my favorite!
I have hitbox, snack box, and kitsune. I feel like the kitsune is the most comfortable to play in general. I agree with Sajam if you use any long enough you’ll get use to it so it’s not a big deal. My personal favorite is the kitsune, but in terms of practicality the snack box is good since it’s easy to replace parts. Razer does not sell parts, so you may have to contact support and work it out that way if something breaks. I hope they change that because it’s a bit frustrating.
I remember you destroying your hands a few years ago the first time you tried using leverless, did you have to adjust how you played on it or did you just power through it? I picked up the Snackbox recently and notice my hands/wrist gets sore relatively quick and I don't THINK I've got them too tense
So there is a Mixbox that I had my eye on For a while called the MojuBox. It's a 3d printed Modular Hybrid that let's you swap the stick for hitbox or Mixbox if you like Keyboard style too .
the razer kitsune now has adjustable socd in the latest firmware update btw
I have a Hitbox. It now has a converter that you can buy for PS5 play. Biggest drawback is the proprietary cord it uses. Might look into a different leverless simply for that fact. It does the job for now. I do like the beefy-ness of it although I had to switch the buttons out. They felt too soft for my tastes.
Furin arcade FRS is super nice and completely modular so you can alternate from stick to lever-less easy. A bit pricey but amazing build and great company. And Jony Fraze FTW customs are really nice too.
Keebrawler by mavercade in Canada goes pretty hard.
Main reason i switched to box was portability of all things. I'm a college student on a pretty big campus. I got an mpress nano recently which has withstood being tossed in my backpack and going everywhere
A lot of these are very pricey outside of the US for shippong reasons, as someone from the UK, of you want one I could reccomend looking into either the okiboard from okiboard arcades (very similar to an mpress, uses brook boards so you can use built in ps5 compatible versions but need firmware, or use a converter.) or furin arcades for a very cuatomisable but pricier experience.
(Edit: I only have used the okiboard but its very good, similar soze and weight to a laptop so reasonably portable, I like the buttons and it stays in place pretty well on my lap)
I got the Haute from aliexpress for £50. Arrived in under 2 weeks.
I second the okiboard been through quite a few tournaments with it and while yes it's fairly big it sits nicely on the lap and doesn't shift from the plexiglass bottom
Haute42 has free shipping to canada fwiw
I like my okiboard, with the caveat that it is the most insane fingerprint skin collecting monster of a peripheral I have ever owned
That and I would not mind more responsive, shorter actuation lower force switches (or, one day, rapid trigger style things like from wooting)
Hautepads are really cheap in Europe at least, they are on Amazon too
Snackbox micro XL November 2023 was my first after using the gamo2 k28 keyboard
Getting a leverless is the best thing that has happened to my fighting gamer facet. It was really a gamechanger, a lifechanger: not only my wrists and thumb stop hurting, but my inputs got way more clear and I become able to do hard combos I have never dreamed of before. Pad is almost ok but never enough; stick was an awful, absolute waste of time, money and spirit; leverless transformed me in a true FGC tribe member.
How is your experience with half circles once u got used to it ? I honestly feel like they’re easy once u get used to them. To what extent do u believe that half circles are better on stick?
i personally found half circles easier on pad than stick or lever, until getting lever less and it's night and day to me
I have a Kitsune and I'm thoroughly amazed how quiet it is even though Razer doesn't advertise that as a feature.
sajam seems like he would be very understanding if i was accidentally fucking up his day
Sometimes which controller you prefer depends on character too. I find the mishimas way more comfortable on keyboard but still use pad for most other characters in Tekken
I use the T16, love it.
As a crusty old dude in his mid 40s I've started to notice over the past few years that my hands hurt a lot using controller for fighting games. I did a bunch of research and ended up building my own button box with the Brook PS4+ audio board. While I'm still old and crusty, I can now keep playing because leverless controllers are so damn comfortable.
Once you get over the funky direction layout brain fuck it's actually really easy. But then again I play charge characters and as you say, the leverless makes buffering a dream.
more power to ya mate
I have been having a hard time getting one for my xbox lol. Thanks for the video I'll take a look at what you showed
same no love for xbox, so I went with the Snackbox Micro and it's been awesome. Might get the XL chassis though, hard to play without a table
All fight sticks shoken star layout with a ufb is what ive been using for the past 5 years its been perfect
Haute42 T13 & 16 owners, stupid question:
Does the Mayflash or Brook adapter for PS5 need to remain plugged in to the side during all time while playing?
Or does it only need to be plugged in when you’re connecting to your PS5?
I have the Vitrix FS 12 I really like it I just wish it used regular sized buttons
To cut down on hand sweat while using Razer Kitsune, I bought a skin for it and it helped a lot
Can u link the site pls
Razer recently released the SOCD firmware they added 3 settings 4 if you count the PC exclusive no SOCD setting. They added down + up =up, last input priority, and first input priority. Those last two are def not tournament legal but it's kinda cool to see nonetheless
Own the Kitsune and Micro, Kitsune for bigger hands and long playtime. Micro is Light and easy to carry, the LED can be annoying specially if you don't have a PC to change the settings. love both.
Come for the reviews, stay for ASMR
I use a squidbox micro, compatible on all consoles (I’m on PS5) and sturdy with the metal case. Razer was dragging their feet on releasing their officially licensed leverless.
I recently got a leverless GameCube Controller from a company called Gram and the precision is unbelievable. And because of the firmware on the board, I can swap to keyboard or hit box modes very easily.
Leverless control for Gamecube?! I'm interested to see it because it's curious to see a leverless for Gamecube
@ChrisStriker yeah!!! Smashbox, B0XX, Frame1, GRAM (the one I bought) and plenty more!! GRAM is currently celebrating 1 year anniversary and doing 20% site wide
@ChrisStriker Yeah!! There are a bunch of them. SmashBox, B0XX, Frame1, GRAM ( the one I have) and a bunch more. GRAM is celebrating it's year so if you are in the market for one or their SLIM FGC( hitbox style leverless) it's worth looking at.
@@Str8EdgeJesse I need to see it, do you have the page to see it?
@@ChrisStriker They are under GRAMControllers on the bird. You'll be able to find everything from there!
Tbh I have hand pain so playing on leverless boxes made of plastic or wood was making things worse so I had to switch to boxes made of paper as it gives a bit of amortisation
I got a Haute S13 because i didn't want to drop 200+ dollars on my first leverless. I played on it for the first time last night and it seems nice so far. The buttons are much quieter than my Qanba and sound like a mechanical keyboard. My only complaint so far is that it has no rubber feet on the bottom so it can slide around on a desk quite easily, but that's a very inexpensive problem to fix. It's also reasonably comfortable to play on my lap.
"All of them have things that are easier or harder..."
Thank you. So many people that don't own a leverless talk about it like it's a cheat code to execution.
Thank you for this, very useful and insightful!
I don't exactly have small hands, and I would definitely appreciate something that's supposed to sit still on my lap having some weight to it, so I think the MPress would be nice for me if I ever decided to take the dive and go to a tourney. As for PS5 compatibility, I'm not exactly afraid of tinkering with my tech, and the whole mid-tournament update thing isn't something I think would happen often.
My only gripe is the lack of some kind of non-slip base, but it's nothing a rubber mat and some glue can't fix. The nice thing about these kinds of controllers are how easy they are to personalize, the overall shape is way simpler than your typical pad. The hardest part might be finding the right adhesive for the job.
EDIT: I just got to the sound test and I like the MPress the best here too. It's perfect.
I have a 12 button mid size controller that I love, but I'm thinking about getting a 13 button one. In fighting games, up being at the bottom is fine but it other games, it can be confusing. Especially stuff where this a jump button AND you need to be pressing up on a regular basis (like a beat-em-up).
Hey if you're experiencing hand pain, look into how pianists position their hands above their keys
Funny enough whenever I play strive or street fighter I prefer leverless. With my personal preference being the mpress due to the heft and size. I’d love to try the cross up. Especially for Tekken. Being able to switch to leverless on the fly. Would help for movement while on the other side
haute is the best cheap option
Are most of the buttons on leverless controllers smaller than the standard arcade stick buttons?
Kitsune sounds and feels the best. They specialize in keys and keyboards. Its Amazing. Do not regret.
Hearing you say that they're all good really helps. I feel much less compelled to spend a lot of money. $80 is an absolute steal.
Can you disable buttons on the haute? I like the idea of the wasd layout for the directionals, but I feel like i'd accidentally hit some stuff I don't mean to.
Yup, it's fully customizable since it's got a gp2040 in it. Takes a little bit to understand the config site but the discord is pretty active if you need help.
SnackBox Micro, first fighting controller at all, & I love it. I just wish it were heavier & the tiny buttons went down easier & were a bit larger.
buy the metal plate for it, I'm considering doing the same and getting the XL chassis while I'm at it
The hautepads are the goats of budget friendly controllers, feel really expensive and premium but dont cost too much
I play sf6 on keyboard and I use ASD Space and then UIO JKL 789 where 789 are the macros for throw, DR and DI (both lights, both mediums, both heavies). Is there an option that has the right hand buttons in a 3x3 arrangement like that?
I play on a Madcatz TE2+ with a leverless mod. Its great because i almost got DQed at EVO because I had a leverless controller.
i really want to try the ergo box
For Tekken mishima players, are larger or the micro hitboxes better? I can only buy them online unfortunately so don’t know what feels natively better for KBD and wavedashing
Can you set a button to D-pad Up and one to Joystick Up? Would that still be tournament legal?
Is there any way to use one on a 360? Extremely important to an MvC2 player that’s curious to experiment with a new style
Is there a chance that a cheap controller like that Haute t13 comes out that works natively with a ps5 in the near future? I dont want to risk the magicboot not working, but also dont want to spend 300$ on a kitsune or something...
Wish there were some southpaw options out there, the only one ive found on my region was from aliexpress and that one had some messed inputs
Furin Arcade do custom leverless designs, including southpaw. There are customisation options to set when you buy from them - and if that doesn't have what you want, contact them to discuss further options. They're based in the UK, but rooflemonger has a customised one to suit his preference for more spread out hands (see his pad/stick/leverless comparison vid from last year), and I believe he's in NA. And they have reviews from USA customers, so I assume they ship internationally.
How much quieter is the Kitsune? Looking for as silent an option as possible.