Hold up! Before you buy the Razer Kitsune...
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- čas přidán 30. 07. 2024
- In this video, let’s check out that new Razer leverless controller that’s doing the rounds. How does the Kitsune stack up to other all-button options? Do you love it? …Hate it? Or are you somewhere in the middle? You let me know in the comments below.
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0:00 Intro and unboxing
0:50 First bite is with the eye
1:20 Dimensions
1:30 Flat black and fingerprints
2:43 Button layout and size
4:16 Sound check
4:30 Open it up
5:00 Expose that switch
5:35 LEDs and cord lock
6:00 Play
6:45 SOCD
7:21 Final Pros and Cons - Hry
I absolutely love my Kitsune. I have a self build with crown buttons and the audio difference alone is night and day. This is the first leverless I actually feel comfortable playing around non-gamers. The optical switches are also a great feature given how good they've been in PC gaming. I do agree that we need an acrylic top for art and hope the third party market fills the gap if Razer decides not to prioritize it.
how did you get yours before the release date?
@@GamerLife-rx3zd Mine came on the reported ship date Razer gave me. I ordered directly off their site and mine was shipped to me exactly when Razer said it would arrive.
Oh yeah, I hope this review didn't portray me as hating it. I think it's a fine controller, but not my ideal one if I'm throwing around that kind of money. What do you mean comfortable playing it around non-gamers? Like other sticks cause embarrassment? Anyway, thanks for watching.
@@HushMySweet1 The value proposition is definitely a pain point and I thought the review was more than fair. As for the comfort around others, my rig is in the same room as my wife's computer and she can hear most of my sticks even over noise canceling headphones. This presents understandable issues when she's watching a show or playing a game and hears the clacking of my leverless over everything else. However, the Kitsune is whisper quiet allowing me to lab without worrying whether I'm being noisy. She does game a fair amount, which makes her more lenient towards the noise than most, but I framed the statement for those with significant others outside the gaming space.
Is there any chance I could bother you for a link to the button caps you used? I'm desperately trying to make these keychron bananas work
Thanks for this! About the SOCD cleaning, I talked to the rep at the Razer booth at EVO, and he said that since they were partnered with Capcom, they had to do the CPT-style cleaning at least for now. He said they knew that not everybody wanted SF6-style, but that was the market they were going for and they might possibly provide a way to change it later -- but they didn't have a way at launch.
Hmm...that's interesting. I see where they are coming from if they are partnered with Capcom and want no issues with a Kitsune being disqualified for having incorrect SOCD cleaning or whatever. Still, would be a nice feature to add for those who aren't all in on Capcom games. Thanks for watching!
Oh interesting. But considering I'm not going to be doing any CPT stuff, I prefer the more traditions D+U = U.
@@shifteleven yeeaahhh same. I don't even play SF6, but some of the Tekken characters I play benefit from Hitbox-style SOCD cleaning.
I sat through the whole video, you just got yourself a like and sub. Finishing with Jack Nicolson in the limelight was a surprise delight!
lol, I appreciate that! Thanks for watching and for your nice comment!
I saw a bunch of these Kitsune at EVO this year, I like how silent the buttons are and that they area big larger, still won't be shelling out $300 for it though. I did pick up a GP2040 from Train recently though, that's gonna go in my all button build soon!
Those boards are great! Looking forward to what you come up with! (something with a custom top, I hope??)
TY, was waiting on your review!
lol, this one took longer than normal (missed my weekly deadline I set for myself) because I really wanted to explore it. At the end of the day though, I felt it was fine, but not something I probably need to keep in my collection to cycle through. Thank you for watching and for your consistent support!
Best review I've seen of it, subbed!
Awesome, thanks so much! I typically try to post around once a week with more fightstick-related content, so I hope you stick around if this is your jam! Thanks for watching!
Love your videos, thanks for the review!
Hey, thanks for the nice comment! I appreciate it!
I will continue to build my own haha thanks for the honest review.
lol, the thin form factor and some elements were pretty cool, but yeah, I guess I'm like you in that I like to tinker and personalize too much to make this a good choice for me. Thanks for watching!
yeah there's to many customization options out there to just lean toward 1 product and that be the end all be all. I started with snackbox but after watching some videos and realizing i can make these from ground 0 I've always just stuck with that method and have made some great leverless controllers!@@HushMySweet1
This was the best review I’ve seen for these. Thank you a lot. I’m still on the fence though, if it was $50 cheaper I’d buy it. Not much of a leverless user due to it being hard for me to catch on to it. I have a bnb leverless that’s has less than 3 hours of use but the larger buttons on this one makes me feel like I would use it as the smaller 24mm button just seem too small for me.
Ah, thanks! I agree in that if this was $50 cheaper, I would have been more inclined to keep it. $300+ just seems another level where everything should be very premium (but maybe I'm living in the past). I also prefer the 30 mm stuff in my action buttons, so if you do pick this up, you'll have to let us know your thoughts. Thanks for watching!
Laughed super loud at work at the charcuterie board line thanks
Right on! And I appreciate you watching!
Another great video brotha!! I can say as a Razer fan boy and someone who will continue to buy some of their products........They missed the mark on this one. I'm shocked Razer didn't even try and create a different layout or try to stand out in someway.
Hey, thanks for watching! Yeah, it's a fine controller, but not one that makes me want to go back to it when there are other cool options out there. I appreciate ya commenting!
I got mine, the design is great but the button was wash out after few days of play.
lost the matt surface
Not mentioned is a soothing cold touch when you first rest your wrists for a session. 🥶
lol, maybe my hands just run cold, but I always hate the first touch of metal balltops and top panels. Takes a few games to warm up and get going on them, lol. Thanks for watching!
Thanks for measuring it.
Are you being sarcastic, lol? I like to measure things to help give context because even after all of these unboxings, the controllers are always smaller than I picture in my head before ordering (even if I read the measurements). So maybe it's just a "me" thing, lol, Regardless, thank you for watching/commenting!
Loved your review, the real draw for this is the optical arcade style buttons, nothing more, and if they are buttery smooth then they are worth the 300+ dollars, especially considering that on the black market ebay or anywhere else, people charge an arm and a leg for optical arcade buttons, someone even tried to charge me 1000 for 1 button!!! It could use more buttons in better places and it could have better aesthetics, but all that matters is that butter baby!!!
I think I agree with most of that. The optical switches will definitely appeal to a certain kind of person and they are really the only game in town if that's what you're after. Thanks for watching!
Thank you for this i was told it was going to be released at the end of October even gamestop and amazon said the same thing ordered mine just a few min ago from razer.
Yeah, I canceled my Gamestop pre-order to just order direct through Razer since they are so much faster.
Thank you. This is by far the most in depth review of Kitsune.
Hey, I appreciate that! Thank you very much for watching!
Thank you for keeping it honest.
Always! And thank you for watching!
I'm a big fan of the aesthetic and form factor of this box, but I just can't quite vibe with mechanical switch buttons. I love my Sanwas too much. Sick vid!
I really like the palm space and the thinness, but the flat black on black was just not doing it for me, I guess. All good, though, different strokes for different folks. Thanks for watching!
but the switches are optical though?
@@Icemario187 my mistake, i meant switches generally i guess, i prefer the Pushbuttons like sanwas, etc.
Great review. I feel like it's okay for $300 but not spectacular. It would have been nice if they did some clean diffuse lighting around the buttons or, like you said, an extra button or 2 that you could map on the fly. I don't understand how their coating is so bad on this. I have a Razer laptop and a ton of their mice and they've really stepped up their coatings in the last few years. The optical switches are also just okay. They're about as smooth as other low profile mechanical switches (choc, gateron ks, cherry LP) but not as smooth as a standard MX style switches.
Yeah, I totally agree. The controller is okay, but nothing to write home about. The lighting is also very subtle, especially compared to the vibrant rainbows on their promotional photos. Some button lighting would have been great like you say. Thank you for watching/commenting!
Very, very nice, comprehensive look at the Kitsune. While I really like that Razer are getting more involved with fighting games and are pushing the hitbox style (I use a stick, but it is very easy to see why hitboxes are useful for fighters), there's something about the Kitsune I find... off. I think you pinpointed the smaller, but essential things, like the cheap look and shotty design options, which I personally find very important before I sling out 300$ for gaming equipment.
Actually, you nail it pretty much. This looks like a standard hitbox stick, and it's fine, but you expect something else/cooler/innovative/beautiful from a leading company like Razer.
Yeah, I agree in that I think it's great that Razer is taking a crack at that leverless market. Having more options is always welcome, but it seemed very safe with very little soul. Hopefully these sell well enough for them to continue down this path with FGC tech. Just a few tweaks in their next revision and this could be a home run. Anyway, thank you for commenting/watching!
Fully agree they missed a big opportunity to offer additional button options like the Punk Workshop boxes. 11 buttons will be standard before long…
I was hopeful, but maybe I'm a bit naive. Like others have said, it's probably a huge gamble and just better to go with an established norm. Thanks for watching and I hope to have 11 buttons soon!
Thank you for the video. I honestly feel the same way, I’ve been using only levered fightsticks as they are easier for my hands, and after I got a qanba obsidian I never really wanted another stick until I saw this. But the price and mod capability seem so bad, and something similar can be made for much cheaper. Doesn’t seem very mod friendly which I don’t like either
Yeah, I agree. It's fine, but kinda meh for $300. If you don't care about modding and art and PS4-compatibility, then this will look like a better option. (Not to mention these feel like they will be easier for people to get over some other leverless options.) I hope at some point, some other vendors help with the art and button cap stuff to help users put a little of their own flavor on it. Thanks for watching.
Thanks for this video. Nice to see a review that’s not fan-boying the kitsune.
It's not a bad controller, but it's not exactly the end-all either. Thanks for watching!
I loved the flying toasters. I miss that after dark wallpaper
What a classic. lol, thanks for watching!
I absolutely love mine!!
Right on! And I don't hate it either. Just for $300+ I can't see myself putting it into my controller rotation to get my money's worth. So, maybe not for me, but definitely not a bad stickless. Thanks for watching/commenting!
Can you KBD with the Camcom SOCD mode? I'm a tekken player so that's what most concerns me.
I actually don't have a copy of Tekken right now to check for you, but I would assume it would all still work as normal since you won't need to be pressing up and down together in the same sequence.
optical switches are loved in the rhythm game genre because some models like the wooting allow you to spam click super fast, like moving any amount up will lift and any down will go down. also with those types of switches, you can simulate analog sticks with not-quite key presses.
this one has none of those features, but it's interesting to see optical switches be implemented.
also in the gaming mouse community, optical mice switches are absolutely the future. the clicker is easily replaced, lasts a lot longer than normal switches, and has zero bouncing issues unlike metal contacts.
Very interesting history of those optical switches, thanks for sharing! I also think it would also be cool to hear what some fighting game pro players thought of them after some deliberate practice. Thanks for sharing your insight and for watching!
Love the review. Was debating between this and a snack box micro. Decided to go with the micro. Im currently using a modified keyboard as a make shift leverless and I like it. But it would be nice to have a real controller
Hey, thanks! The Micro does have a few of its own issues (the aux buttons are terrible), but it's smaller, potentially cheaper, and has more room for personalization with art/keycaps/etc. I hope yours serves you well! Thanks for watching!
I have both, kitsune >>> micro imo
$330 with taxes >.< here in Cali, mine wont get shipped til end of the month, been waiting for this video from you thanks HMS!
Yeah, mine came similarly priced, which seems so high to me. :/ Thanks for being patient for this one (I seemed to be late to the party with a review, but I wanted to make sure I had a good grip on it before posting). Thanks for the support and for watching! I appreciate it.
i bought one myself and this is actualy 1st higher end one i ever invested in
What have you thought of it so far? Does it tick all the right boxes for you, personally? (Just because it's not my perfect controller doesn't mean it's not someone else's)
Well said. Definitely linking people to this review when I see people asking about the Kitsune. I remember when the Panthera Evo came out, the fightstick/modding community was mostly scratching their heads--they felt like Razer took one step forward, two steps back from the original Panthera with some of the choices made with the Evo. The Kitsune feels oddly similar to that situation, except there's no direct Razer product to compare it to...
For the people that have no urge to tinker and customize or mod their controllers, this will likely serve them pretty well. But I am not one of those people 😅.
Did you by chance try out any non-fighting games with this? Maybe some Tetris or a 2D side-scroller perhaps? (Does it bypass Sony's "special controller check"? I'm kinda guessing that it does; I was mostly just curious.)
I'm embarrassed to say I haven't tried it on any non-fighting games yet. I'll have to try a few this weekend. But yeah, I agree with your assessment. It's an okay controller, but I don't get all the hype.
You can play all PS5 games with this. This is actually a PS5 controller. The other controllers on the market don't work because PCBs and converters work by behaving like a licensed PS4 stick. The devs have to allow you to use a PS4 stick. The Kitsune and Victrix don't have that problem because they're real PS5 controllers. Brook will hopefully achieve full PS5 compatibility soon but it's already been almost 3 years.
@@JELIFISH19 well, not 'all' games; the Kitsune seems to be missing a way to select left or right analog stick, so anything that requires those is out of luck 😉
@@vthegrigori9137 You might not be able to perform all of the functions but it works. If you try to use a PS4 stick or a Brook with TNMT, it just doesn't work and you'll get a message saying that the controller isn't compatible.
But I do with there was a DP/LS/RS stick because some games use them to navigate menus.
@@JELIFISH19 I have enough licensed PS4 sticks and Brook products to know how they work (or don't) on PS5; just a knowing wink at your choice of using 'all' 😉
having seen the cammy and chun versions in person and played on them myself; their art was printed directly on the aluminum plate, it wasnt a removable vinyl/sticker or anything like that. hopefully this hasnt been changed on the release version bc that would super suck and ill def reconsider paying the extra for the cammy ver. overall i loved playing on it and will still be getting one. would def not have wanted a diff button layout for the kitsune either, that would have just been a gimmick tbh.
That is interesting that they used something different at Evo. The way their site reads is that the Chun/Cammy skins will be wraps. (And yeah, the button layout is personal preference like everything else, I'm just wanting something else that helps push this beyond what we've seen for years. Might be just me though.) Anyway, thanks for watching!
Are you sure it was printed directly on the panel? A skin pretty durable and it's meant to stick on for a LONG time. And a skin can be textured so it can match the texture of the aluminum top. The two can probably feel very close.
I want one but priceyyy. And I totally agree with you about the ergonomics
I hear ya.
This is not worth $300. It should sell for $150 max.
The style of controller is just expensive. Hitbox is $250 and doesn’t support ps5 natively, the only other official ps5 leverless (victrix) is $400. Even the snack box is over $200. Hopefully the price on leverless controllers comes down eventually but it seems like anything with ps5 compatibility is gonna be pricey
It’s 5 pieces of plastic and 12 buttons max, I don’t think u understand how much 3d printed plastic cost, and razer is way bigger than average Joe. And am p sure the most basic of raspberry pcb motherboard chip would be good enuf. These people are terrorists and think they own the hotel and the beach and the delivery food boy and all the strippers when in reality razer is a joke and a very small player in life and nothing without humans. I don’t use the 7th and 8th buttons for triple punches and kicks and I don’t remember any games going past 4 or 6 buttons so yeah ima say that 12 buttons. Razer only provides me broken video games with hackers, broken internet, and fraudsters and a world full of criminals, my kush does not say razer on it, my food does not come delivery from razer, so yes I stand by my original comments they only sell super expensive things and pretend they are Jesus when they did not even invent anything and are making joysticks too expensive especially without full metal construction or joystick?
Soon they going to cost 1000$, same thing is happening with bicycles. People are losing everything especially in America but atleast we got alcohol max bugs drive thru and strippers.
Have you tried the Victrix BFG pro pad? Its 180$
What's the best leverless for ps5
Razer's cost to make this is probably $30. Hell. I made mine for almost that price. They are just preying on the community at this point
It’s hard to tell from the pictures, are the buttons on the Kitsune spaced out more than on the snack box micro?
Yes, they are a bit bigger, and the spacing is a bit wider. So maybe if you have large hands, that may be a PRO. Thanks for watching.
I'm seriously contemplating buying one of these. I priced out what it would cost for me to get a Brooks Fusion, all the sanwa buttons, wiring harnesses, and an enclosure shipped to Canada, and it basically came to the same price as the Kitsune. The benefit of building my own is that it would be compatible with more platforms, but the con is that it would be the same form factor as a tradtional arcade stick.
One aspect that people forget is that officially licensed means it works on all PS5 games. Brook hasn't cracked the PS5 compatibility yet so their PCBs and converters don't currently work for all games.
Same form factor, but at least you could customize the layout to your preferences. This stickless was a fine offering, just not the end-all-be-all that some present it as (IMO!) so definitely go with whatever you think will work best for you. Thank you for watching!
Hello good sir. I'll be honest with you. I haven't played very many fighting games. I've always drifted towards other types of games, but now I'm looking at actually getting into them. (Yes 30 year old just now getting into fighting games) but my question is should I start with a controller like this or maybe one with a joystick or heck just stick to a controller? The other question is did I wait till to late to get into fighting games?
Hey! I don't think it's too late to ever really get into a genre. Fighting games are easier than ever before in terms of available resources with video guides, character discords, training room features, and frame data information being out in the open. You'll just need deliberate practice and a good "growth-mindset" attitude toward losing, especially in the beginning. I also think that the devs are more mindful of default controller users. SF6, for example, feels pretty good (much better than some past games) on a regular controller. If you have zero arcade experience or have never used a joystick, then I would not recommend starting there. I think all-button controllers CAN be the most precise, but there are little quirks you'll just have to learn. I would pick the device which looks the most fun to use because keeping things fun is going to keep you playing, and if you do that, you'll naturally improve over time. Anyway, good luck!
What switch were you able to replace these with? Are the switches standard or can you buy third party switch that is compatible?
I tested with a blue low profile keychron optical. I would assume many are compatible, just you can't find the default stock ones individually, so you have to be very careful not to mess them up. Thanks for watching.
I took one look at this and thought to myself “I can build something that comes close to this.”
These lever-less controllers are not rocket science and anyone, with a little ingenuity, can build an equally similar build, for significantly less.
They’ve slapped on the Razer name and up-charged because of that.
Yeah, if you like to tinker and personalize, this is probably not your best option. Thanks for watching/commenting!
@@HushMySweet1 normally, I’m not a tinkerer but there’s something about wanting to create my own device, that’s really appealing.
I initially went into this journey thinking I was going to buy a snack box micro. When I saw how much it costs, it just wasn’t justifiable.
Not to mention, I wouldn’t be able to live with overpaying for this or even a SB micro, knowing how simple it is to have one of these put together.
Wait, how did you (and others) get it already? Site says it's available on 9/27 and Amazon has it for Nov 1sr
Razer ships pretty fast and it's available there.
what switch did you use to swap it with for testing i want a more click-y switch to use in mine
I think it was a blue Keychron optical variant. So pretty clicky if that's what you are going for.
Random comment, but im on mobile, and the like button on my phone a glowky thing when you said to like the channel/video. Which was pretty cool ngl.
In terms of the the kitsune, As someone who put ider how much towards the hori fight stick alpha, (I think? I legit havent touched sf6 or anything in a while), 300 seems steep. The price of a switch.
Hey, thanks for watching! I remember you from an older video (that profile pic is memorable, I guess, lol). Anyway, thanks for the comment, and nice to see you again!
Lol I still enjoy your videos! Even tho I havent been playing fgc, I do intend to mod my fight stick or build my own eventually, and im hoping tekken 8 coming in Jan will help me get back into fgc.
3:35 those customized layout boxes, did you build yourself or is there a link to that?
Those are from Mavercade! I reviewed the Keeb-Brawler on this channel, but there are others coming soon! Thanks for watching!
if only :D Nice touch and great video
lol, thanks! Hopefully showcasing more GP2040-CE stuff soon! Thanks for watching!
@@HushMySweet1 looking forward to it. I am from India and cannot import these from China. My best bet is to build one myself.
man... I'm tired of hearing that a standard layout isn't ideal, meanwhile, bigbird and angrybird are beating your fav's with regular sticks.
Well, I threw an asterisk on that in the vid (and a "Dude" gif) to really drive home that's just my opinion. I'll keep shouting into the void because so few people offer something different than the standard which was set over a dozen years ago. New games bring new opportunities for innovation. If you don't like or want new buttons, that's totally fine! There is a sea of options that serves that mentality. For us others, the pickings are slimmer. Thanks for watching all the same!
I recently got the Quanba Drone 2 stick, it has a mat finish which never shows any marks of any klind no matter how sweaty I get. I dont get why more companies don't use it.
It's cheaper not to i guess. Mate is more expensive?😂
Check the price of the Drone 2 and then check the price of the Kitsune.@@enrique7934
Well, the Kitsune panel was aluminum and the Drone 2 is plastic, so maybe that makes all the difference? But good note. Thank you for watching and for your support!
Hello and thanks for the review, I would like the sound of the keys to be like that of a duffel shock, is it possible to change the keys on this device to quieter ones?
I don't know the duffel shock or its stats, but you can change keys. You'll need to look for something like Keychron low-profile ones, and linear styles will be your quietest options. So something like a Keycrhon white or red? Check out a video I did on switch comparisons for the SnackBox Micro a while back.
I have a Hitbox and this looks pretty awesome but I want to wait until they have the ability to switch to normal Hitbox SOCD mode. Despite the characters I play (Im a long time Juri main and learning JP) provides no real advantage for D+U=U (charge characters I get have an advantage) I am just more comfortable with it using it for so long. Others like the Victrix Pro FS12 and anything using a modern Brook board (i.e. PS5 version of Fightbox F1/RAC J800B) have firmware updates to allow switching your SOCD mode including turning it off for the latter to allow the game to determine SOCD rules which I feel is a good option to have as that allows the developers to set SOCD rules for their game, though hardware SOCD is a must for older games.
Right now the Kitsune is locked to U+D=N due to a partnership with Capcom. I guess if they don't have new innovations as this is built specifically for CPT tournament play. They mention they are leaving the door open to deliver a firmware update to allow switching in the future. Personally I would like what you mentioned like better button layouts for drive mechanics but I guess for CPT they seem to want a standard to provide a level playing field.
Fingers crossed that they will enable it for players like you! And like you said, this is appears to be pretty specific for CPT rules and they wanted a clear standard for this gen. A bit of a shame about the layout being so standard, but I suppose they wanted something tried and true. Ah well, there are a ton of other options with SOCD mode changes and more daring layouts, so it's still a good time to be a fighting game player (and controller enthusiast!). Thanks for watching/commenting!
Speaking of sf6 and arcade button layouts.... What are your thoughts on the d-brake? I'd love to see some raised button caps. Arcade layout users definitely need some help here lol
lol, it looks pretty interesting, but I haven't tried it just yet. Have you messed with one yet?
@@HushMySweet1 It's pretty nice, I can keep my pinky on the top right button and hit the bottom right with my pinky joint or hand if I'm feeling unga. I can't help but feel an extra high button/keycap (maybe a button that's raised on one side?) would be better.... don't think anyone has anything like this.
@@williammeldrum8713 I've messed a little with those larger domed buttons, and you could likely incorporate them in interesting ways. I'll have to get a d-brake to see how those feel and what the learning curve is like.
I dont get it why cant the sf6 covers be reapplied after removing them. If its just a cover it should be able to snap back into place
Because I believe it's a wrap. That's what their website seems to suggest.
Yo im new to switches and stuff so can you tell me the type of switches you can use as a hotswap for this? I want to get some tactile switches for this since I don't really like how sensitive these buttons on the Kitsune are. Just breathing on the red switches causes them to register and it's kinda a pain.
I think the ones I used in this vid were Keychron low profile optical blues. They are classified as clicky though. I think the brown versions might be what you're after? Good luck!
@@HushMySweet1 Thank you, just checked and they were on sale too.
not even HE, Hall Effect magnetic switches with rapid trigger?
...and the touchpad is not on the left like the Qanba Titan where you might accidentally touch
It's portable, but does it work with the steam deck if I wanted to take it with me on a trip?
Yes, it should all work fine with the Steam Deck! Have fun on the trip!
Im still searching for my first arcade stick who dont cost to much money but i dont know wich to buy.... has anyone an idea wich one i should buy?
Haute 42 controllers are amazing but leverless
My hitbox, ps5 wingman converter and a few extra buttons for daigo layout will still be cheaper that this or maybe slightly more expensive.
Yeah, probably comparable or a bit less. Thanks for watching and for your support!
Great review.. u talked about extra buttons ... but cant u use L3 R3 buttons since they are close to the actual buttons. Also can you tell me are these buttons 24mm or 30 mm
When I talk about extra buttons, I meant beyond the usual. Like ones of comparable size, but maybe oriented to the left of the left direction or one slightly above or below the light buttons. Just for easier macro/key bind placements. As far as the size, they are the same size as the button cap of a 30 mm button. 3:03
@HushMySweet1 thanks for the response. One request, if u have time then can u test the practicality of using small L3 R3 buttons on razer kutsine during actual fight
@@thedemoman1813 Hmmm. Don't think it would work that well, but I'll see about firing it up this weekend to confirm that feeling.
@HushMySweet1 thanks a lot 🙏
what switch base/pin setup is it? looks like choco low profiles?
These are Razer-branded optical switches; they don't have pins underneath like you'd expect with usual switches, but they have the same footprint as a standard choco low profile one. Thanks for watching.
Thanks for a non biased honest review. No ability to change SOCD modes effectively makes this a “capcom leverless” imo
Also another thing to mention is when the tournament mode switch is on the L3 and R3 buttons are unable to be used at all
And thank you for commenting! Sometimes I let my own preferences slide into things (like with the layouts and stuff), so it's always a crapshoot how people will respond. Thanks for seeing what I was going for. I didn't notice the tournament mode stuff, but good job pointing that out.
Can I get some links to the other products you mentioned if they work for PS5? Looking to enter this world of not just using a regular controller but would like to at a better price haha
PS5 is expensive right now no matter which way you slice it. You can get a Brook PS5 convertor and use lots of different options. But there are PS5 PCBs for Snack Box Micros, for MPress devices (regular and Nano), FightBox, Zappa, and Slab-Mini PS5 edition. You can also use a Brook Fusion board or a PS5 daughterboard upgrade to an existing Brook Universal board if you want to make your own. And then, one of the cheaper ways to net PS5 access is the new PS5 passthrough tech on these GP2040-CE breakout boards (see my last video). If you know what you're doing, you can get it for around $50, but you'll also likely be able to buy complete from a vendor for like $70. Like I said though, there is a heavy PS5 tax if that's the system you need compatibility with (PC players get off easy with much cheaper and more plentiful options). Anyway, good luck in your hunt for the best PS5 device which works for you and your budget.
Did your button caps not become loose after swapping switches?
I didn't notice anything like that. Just checked real quick so I could give you an answer and it still feels fine (I only peeled out one cap). Thanks for watching.
A lot of people, myself included, are saying their caps come loose when they press the bottom or top side of the button caps with keychron switches. Breakin' my heart. 100% does not happen after swapping back to the razer switches@@HushMySweet1
I had some holiday and birthday money set to the side So I just picked up the cammy sf6 version for $160 I can safely say that im supper happy with my purchase it is my first leverless fight stick So I don't have much to compare it to but for the price I personally payed I think it was worth it
For $160, this is a super great device! Seriously, what a good deal. I hope you have a good time with it! And thanks for watching!
For this to cost MORE than a snackbox is just crazy. The boutique/custom/diy market leads to options of similar if not smaller form factor with significantly more options in lighting, button modding, artwork customization, and console compatibility. As of now if you can get your hands on one of the boutique/custom/diy products there's really no reason to to get a kitsune. The button type is interesting, but it's not really possible to say if it's better or worse than senwa/mechanical options. More importantly (and I'm shocked this wasn't mentioned) is the lock for the USBC plug. This feature should simply become industry standard, it's so good.
4:44 I did think the USBC lock was pretty cool as well. I had a hard time getting it to fit a different cord, but if a user can keep that stock cord good, then I agree, it's great! Thanks for watching!
Man where are people getting this from, doesn't come out until the end of October for me 😭
I just bought direct from Razer. It came out from them faster than a lot of their distributors.
Someone needs to offer a clear matte/satin skin for these. It'd help protect it and hide fingerprints.
I really wish there was more all button controllers to choose from, having hand issues they look like what I should be on seeing that pad is too much weight and strain, and an arcade stick can be a lot of strain on my hands, and I want to try all button but finding one that isn't highly priced like this or that looks like it'll be a waste of money feels nearly impossible.
A lot of diy like the flatbox would be an option
seconding the flatbox, it’s only $100 for an extremely well-made controller
I also wanna shout out the chocobox beastbox, mine’s gonna be arriving tomorrow and afaik it’s the only controller under the $200 mark that has extra buttons for L3/R3! I paid about $140 for mine including express shipping, and from all the reviews and images I’ve seen it looks very well made. The seller has also been very responsive to messages, and has kept me updated throughout the whole process
There's actually a ton, but so many are just featured on small etsy shops and such. But I understand completely: you need something that makes playing fun and not painful, and do so at a reasonable price. Like the others have said, a Flatbox is a pretty cheap option. I have some other videos on how to build Flatbox stuff, or if that's not at your comfort level, you could always buy a pre-made version. I hope you find what works best for you!
I'm on ps5 though and it looks like I just cant use it on ps5, which at that point there is the $200 option on etsy@@HushMySweet1
This Kitsune controller is compatible with PC and PS5 (and nothing else). If you're looking for something that plays on PS5 and is cheaper than $200, there are few options out there, but one that comes to mind is the SGF Zappa. I reviewed it a few weeks back. It normally clocks in at $225, but they offered a $45 discount code while supplies last "HUSH45" at checkout. (And to be clear, I make no money or kickbacks on that. It's just a deal for a few more days before the outfit relocates and while supplies last.) Maybe worth checking out if low price and PS5 compatibility are your main priorities. Good luck.
Great vid! What is that music at the start of the video?
Scroll back through the vids on this channel. At its inception I had a lot of fighting game covers in a synthwave style. They didn't get much traction/views, but I still use them all for background music. I think you're probably looking for the Clocktower cover. Thanks for watching!
@@HushMySweet1 ahh yes good ol’ MVC2. Thank you!
It's not $300 plus shipping. Razer, Gamestop, and Amazon all offer free shipping and those are the only places to get it. You have to pay for shipping with the Snackbox Micro which brings the price up to $285. But Razer offers healthcare workers, first responders, teachers, students, and military discounts. I got mine for $255 which makes it one of the cheapest options.
And one thing that's overlooked when it comes to the competition is that PS5 compatibility hasn't been solved yet. Brook is still working on that. Right now, PS5 compatibility works by acting like a licensed PS5 stick. But not all PS5 games allow legacy controllers including a few fighting games. Most of the games that those unlicensed sticks don't work on have PS4 versions that they would work on. But what happens when companies stop making PS4 versions? What happens when a dev doesn't add legacy controller support?
When doing a review, I have a finite amount of time to get it out while people still care (and I still felt I was behind just about everyone else). I didn't see the first responder stuff Razer offered or I would have definitely mentioned that. $255 is extremely reasonable. You are also correct in that the shipping was included. My total charge was $320 so I had assumed it was shipping but it turned out to be taxes. I hate misinformation and it hurts me to have included that. Anyway, I was not saying this was a bad stickless offering at all, just more of a mixed bag. Based on what I look for in a controller and my own preferences, I probably don't need to keep one in the collection, but I don't think it's a bad stickless. In regard to the PS5-compatibility stuff, we can speculate different what-if scenarios all day, but I don't want to help normalize spending $300 on mid level controllers (my stance is the same with Qanba and anyone else). Thanks for watching and commenting all the same (I'm cool with people disagreeing with me, it's all just my opinion at the end of the day).
I got the cammy one for 242$ I had some super old games and I got two discounts as well which knocked out a decent amount. I’ve had it for about 3 days now. Personally I really like it, this is my first leverless controller and I love the feel of it. I see others say it’s terrible so I’m interested to see what they would suggest as a better product.
I think for that price, that's fair, and doubly so if you are a Cammy main or love optical switches. You also won't hear me saying that it's a terrible device and I think a lot of the true nay-sayers are exaggerating a bit. For $320 (the amount I paid for this), it's a bit of a mixed bag for me personally, and for that amount you could put together a pretty cool custom with your own art and custom layout and what not. And if you wanted a thin, all-button ready to go off-the-shelf, you could go with offerings from Haute42, Mavercade, ArcadePCB, and others (I try to demo lots on this channel so a user can have some context in the sea of offerings, and see what will work best for them). At the end of the day, it comes down to what a user prioritizes in a controller and the systems it needs to be compatible with. But I wouldn't let anyone rain on your parade. I'm hyped that you're hyped for the new device, and I think you got a nice deal. Thanks for watching.
With options like the Haute42 T-series for less than a third of the price I don't see the point in getting gouged for this.
I like how the first and second cons are 300 dollars plus shipping.
I was being a bit dramatic. Most FGC people are always looking to save a buck, so I kept coming back to that price. Like, if this stickless was $250, I'm sure that would have colored my perception of it much kinder.
Does it work on PS3?
The switches look like they have a lot of throw in them, which kinda seems like it negates the speed of activation
Yeah, they definitely seemed to take me a bit to get used to. Optical stuff has cool applications in other areas, but is it the future in fightsticks as well? It would be cool to hear what high end FGC pro players think of them after some deliberate practice. Thanks for watching.
@@HushMySweet1 I would do dirty things to get those switches in either of the mpress models, I love them in my huntsman keyboard
hate to say it but anything more than $60 for an all button controller is simply a ripoff. If you can buy a standard controller with 2 analog sticks and actual capacitive triggers (which, might I suggest should be more expensive to produce than a box full of buttons) then you can easily afford to sell an all button controller for that price. For reference, there are even third party controllers that use magnetic analog stick technology being sold for around the same price give or take $10. This is the reason that despite desperately wanting an all button arcade controller, I have refused to buy one. companies have convinced people to pay more than what the product is actually worth, and they only got away with it because the specialist boutique market for this type of device has been overpriced since the beginning. I have/see the same problem with mechanical keyboards. In my general opinion, it should NEVER be more expensive to build something yourself than it is to buy a prebuilt product.
Nice to see a review of this. Was looking at it but the main thing that turned me off really was the layout, as you point out it doesn't do anything and as someone who doesn't like that star formation by default just looking at it, it wasn't doing it for me.
And I am a razer guy...got a keyboard, headset and mouse so I feel their stuff is fairly decent on the whole. I suppose the final nail would be the cheap way of customising, I feel their prior offering of the atrox with a fairly open and welcome approach to customising was neat, would of been nice to see them push that here. We'll see how razer move with it, though they could do with lowering their prices just to be able to offer something that people won't have to question if they can afford it.
and you know what got you the like? Your bit at the end about how we don't have an option for PS5...oh man...if only...not like anyone has made something like that...I wish there was...welp, I guess we'll never know huh? haha
Ah, that's cool we got a Razer guy's perspective! They have some cool stuff, but for the price, it wasn't ticking enough boxes for me. I appreciate you watching/commenting! Thanks!
+$330 for an extremely simple 12 button controller. what is razer smoking? at most this is 199 and thats being VERY generous.
THE LAST TIME I SPENT 300 IS ON A HORI Taito fight stick over 10 years ago its a beast compare to this
Those things were monsters! Really cool sticks.
Seems to me that big companies prefer "safer" layout options. They intentionally decide not to rush things and implement what's proven by time. They can't change and modernize their manufacturing chains as fast and as cheap as *craft* controller makers do. Victrix is a good example of that. Their all-button controller is basically their stick with very minor changes, not a completely new product created with a new usercase in mind. So they will be a little behind the community, for the time being at least. However, I believe, we're in a very good situation now since such a giant recognized this type of controllers. If Kitsune is going to become relatively popular, more designs are probably to come, more companies join the train (pun intended) and it's our, users' win
Yeah, I agree. And I get it. They have to go with the tried-and-true to get the most bang for their buck. I was a bit optimistically naive that they might find it worth their while to try something that's outside the established norm. Thank you for watching and commenting, as usual!
Not interested in the Kitsune, but now considering getting some Flying Toasters art for my custom...
lol, right on
Some some things to remember and take i to account
1. The price tag is very standard for ps5 compatible devices
2. This is an official PS5 fight stick, so there's 0 chance of an update intentionally preventing it from working
3. Due to it being official, there might be limits on what you can and can't add to it. Sonys is not big on letting devs of any kind, making cool stuff for their console. ( just look at the heavy mod restriction when console skyrim got mod access)
Standard, but fairly artificial imo. I get it though, they want to gatekeep and upcharge for the official-labeled stuff. I suppose if people are paying this, then good for them. There are lots of options out there these days though.
@HushMySweet1 ehh, not really. If you buy all the parts to build one from scratch, it's gonna end up costing you 200-230ish. And even they your buying a 3rd part conversions board that sony can and has blocked before trust I have a razer panthera evo I bought a conversion kit for ive had to wait for a firmware update twice becuase sony decided to block it. Im on pc, but my friends on PS5, so when i go over to his place to crush him at fighters, I need either an external converter or an officially supported one.
@@D00ML0RD1 I don't think the parts to make this justify the price outside of that official PS5 compatibility element, but we can agree to disagree. Thanks for watching.
Hey ! Just watch your video, I want to play Tekken 8 with a Hitbox but I'm a beginner in the game and with this kind of controller, I never played with one... Is it better to maybe look to buy a cheaper one or maybe do one in DIY with youtube tutorial videos ?
It depends on your comfort level and what platform you want to play on. You can get things cheaper if you play on PC, but things are typically more expensive if you play on PS5. This is a fine controller, just kinda spendy for what it is imo. I have a ton of other controller videos on this channel so you could look through some of those to see some of your available options. There's also a Haute42 series that's taking the community by storm, and they have some extremely low prices and I hope to review a few of their things soon.
@@HushMySweet1 I’m a PC player so this shouldn’t be expensive, I hope ?
@@NeeTiXGaminG Then things will be easier for you. There are Flatbox-style builds from $50-100. Slab Minis for $115. Mavercade Keeb-Brawlers for $175-200, and Keeb-Fighters for ~$130. There's a metal ROS Atom for $279. And plenty more to choose from! Haute42 also has controllers which are sub $100. That means you should have plenty of options to find what will work best for you. But yeah, PC makes it a lot easier/cheaper. Depends on what you want in a controller (weight, size, art, extra buttons, type of enclosure materials, etc.) but I'm confident you should be able to find your ideal controller.
@@HushMySweet1 I will try for my first Hitbox the Haute42 T series 13, I saw some reviews and he seems kinda good to start, it’s not expensive and if it doesn’t fit and I don’t like it, it’s not 300€ lol
@@HushMySweet1 Yeah, thanks a lot for your help, I will take one from Haute42, their products seems really solid
Can you give me a Hitbox controller recommendation for PC? I never played with arcade sticks and I come from PC/keyboard. I'm thinking of the Hitbox Arcade, Qanba Obsidian 2 and Victrix Pro FS12
It's hard to give a good rec without knowing what you prioritize in a controller, so I'll give you a few. If you travel a lot and want the smallest thing out there, then a Flatbox or derivative is probably a good bet. If you want something with extra buttons, then Mavercade products or the ROS Atom could work well. If you want something super inexpensive, then look into Haute42 products. If you want something similar to a classic Hit Box, but want some extra functions, then Fight Box would work. If you like ultra thin enclosures, then the MPress Nano is what you'll want. If you want to use full size switches, then a Slab Mini will be up your alley. Really, there are a lot of cool options and because you play on PC, you have more options (and they will require less money!) Stay tuned for a couple more reviews dropping soon that may help you make your decision.
@@HushMySweet1 You're right, let me tell you what I prioritize: I need the buttons to activate quick, even with the lightest touch. So performance is important to me. There needs to be room for palm rest. The buttons and case needs to be durable and made of quality parts. I'm looking to use it for the long run. I won't travel with it, I use it mainly at home. The Hitbox needs to be decent sized, better for it to be bigger than smaller. The layout of the buttons should prioritize Street Fighter 6 and Tekken 8. If thats not possible, give me a recommendation 1 for both.
@@xPhantomxify Buttons shouldn't be difficult since 90% of these are hot-swappable and you can insert the switches of your choice. I have a video on different switch types, but you're probably looking for something around that 30 gf operating force level for really light actuation. Or even something like the JFA Amber. So the MPress Nano is out since you can't easily change switches. And then if you want more substantial palm rest, that's going to take a couple other models off the table. As far as a rec, probably something like the Mavercade Keeb-Brawler line. Lots of palm rest plus you can change button functions to get best of both SF6 and Tekken 8. The Brawlers typically have 3d printed skeletons, but you can get a higher end model with a more premium, metal skeleton. There is also room for art (which is important for me, IDK about you). You can also upgrade to nylon caps beyond the traditional 3d printed ones which I would highly recommend doing if you're going to go that route. Then upgrade the switches to your preferred flavor. If you decide that it's too thin or pricey or doesn't come in stock often enough (or whatever), then I'd look into Haute42 (their bigger ones), or Fight Box (the ones with extra buttons beyond the normal), and then just grab the most appropriate layout for you. Good luck.
@@HushMySweet1 Thanks. I looked up the Mavercade Keebbrawler 01 and it's out of stock. I think all of their products are out of stock. The Fightbox has many different layouts with extra buttons and are named B1 B2 etc. Which one do you recommend for Tekken 8/SF6?
@@HushMySweet1 And yes art is important for me as well. I like to customize mine. But if I had to compromise and choose between performance or customization, I'd choose performance.
Does it feel like a crowded elevator?
lol, what an interesting analogy.
SF6 was also released on the PS4, not making it compatible there as well is extremely dumb, I understand they are pushing us to "get new gen", but we aren't still in that era, that's the first REALLY BIG issue in my opinion, alongside the lack of a headphone jack.
Not having an acrylic sheet for artwork... for 300+?
The layout is somewhat understandable, big company doing everything safe, nothing new.
Absolutely not worth it in my opinion.
Btw, had to say it, I'm not exactly a leverless player, but that Primal Rage one you showed was lovely.
Either way, thanks for this review, insanely useful
Yeah, I agree on everything you said. I was hopeful with a new layout, but on some level I knew it was a pipedream. Thanks for watching! And if you want to see more info on that Primal Rage Keeb Brawler, I demo it in another vid on this channel.
Looks nice. I'm happy with my $99 fake hitbox though.
Hitfaux.
Still waiting on my furin arcade frs🔥
Let us know what you think of it when it arrives!
@@HushMySweet1 I will✌️😁
It looks like a frickin' leverless version of the original Neo Geo AES Arcade Stick!!!
lol, now I can't unsee!
What is the controller at 8:06?
That is a Mavercade Keeb Brawler and I showcased it here on this channel. Go check it out! Really interesting button layout philosophy! Thanks for watching!
I play on pc with a keyboard and sf6 to be more accurate. I don't think I'll be buying a standard leverless button layout. Luckily mavercade is releasing a 15 button layout soon and I'm waiting for that. It's my ideal button layout for sf6.
I'm so excited for that controller! I hope it's as good as it looks.
the controller doesnt work on my PC. Can someone help?
There's a toggle switch in the top right. Double-check it's the right way. Then, double-check the cord is tight both to and from the device.
If I didn’t already have three hitboxes and two Mpresses, I’d get a victrix and then this.
lol...priorities! Thanks for watching!
I tried this at evo, it was great. But 300$ is crazy.
I keep feeling so old when I see how much sticks and stuff go for. What I would have classified as like that mid-level a few years ago now goes for $300+. Maybe dogging on the price isn't the way, but I hate to help normalize $300 standard sticks. Thanks for watching! (And hopefully you did well at Evo)
Could you please add measurements in metric/SI when you measure? It'd make the videos better for me.
I will try to remember to do that going forward. Most of my audience is American according to CZcams, so I don't typically think of accommodating metric/SI, but it should be easy to do. Drop a comment the next time I post measurements to hold me accountable! Thanks for watching.
Thank you! I'm actually in Canada, so I learned metric in school and thankfully never worked in an industry where imperial/US customary is used. So I can't visualize it easily.
Hi is it better than Arcade Sticks ??
All-button (leverless) controllers are a bit more precise, but probably not as fun as a levered controller. But that's just because I learned on a joystick first, and I'm sure others will disagree. But if you have no joystick history, then these all-button controllers are a good place to start.
can you play indie games with that controller?
I would assume so
It works for every game. Even none fighting games. But you will lack thumbsticks.
On PS5 or PC, you sure can. Thanks for watching.
Damn, the chun li and Cammy ones being a skin kinda sucks. I was hoping it was printed on.
Same. :(
If it had extra drive buttons where most ppl want them I would gladly pay the premium brand tax it’s a shame this really isn’t perfect for SF6 I’m learning towards the Haute42 M16 because of this
And the Haute stuff is a fraction of the price of this, so that definitely helps in decision-making as well. Thanks for watching and good luck with the SF6 grind!
Playing this at EVO. It was great. Somehow the Snack box was better.
Yeah, it's not bad at all, just maybe not as glowing as others have said. I did really love the palm/wrist space this had though. Thanks for commenting/watching!
You liked the snackbox more? thats what im using now and am interested in the kitsune