Should Max have gotten a penalty in the battle against Lewis? I'm looking forward to your thoughts - top comment wins a surprise gift again! Subscribe to my channel for the next F1 preview: bit.ly/NicoRosbergYT
Yes. Max's move will make overtaking very difficult on the outside. Edit: However, since the race has long ended (and Lewis won), Max should be let off with a warning.
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i love how nico is visibly resisting the g forces and bumps with his body even though he isnt actually driving the car. also how he drives with his elbows tucked in even though hes not in the car. old habits i guess.
I can understand why he still does that. I used to play tennis until 3 years ago. I played it for 2 years. Now, we're playing volleyball in my PE class. What I have found is that when I try to smash the ball to the other side, I still tend to give it a top spin instead of just smashing it flat, which is a bit of a problem but it goes to show that some habits just don't die.
If the stewards have been consistent with their calls all year, then yes, Max would and should have gotten a penalty. You need to turn in at some point. That being said, the fact that Lewis only got a slap on the wrist for his move at Silverstone may have been on the minds of the stewards. I kind of almost saw this as a make-up call for their decision earlier in the season. In a perfect world, Max should have been penalized. But the fact that Lewis was so much faster could have also been a factor as the stewards knew Lewis would get by eventually anyway.
10 second penalty isn't a slap on the wrists end of the day had max left room like Lewis did here, he wouldn't have been sent into a wall.... and max had a LOT more room to leave space in Silverstone about 3 car widths to the edge of the track which he didn't bother to use once he made the second decision to turn into Lewis and cause an accident.
So what penalty do you think lewis should have received for silverstone? And why not just give max the same 10 second penalty? Just because Hamilton avoided max in Brazil, but max didn’t avoid lewis in silverstone, you think it’s fair that max got no penalty since lewis ‘only’ got a 10s penalty? I just don’t get the logic…
It's a challenging and very technical track where the driver and the strategy actually make a difference. Tracks where it's easy to overtake just shows us who has the fastest car.
I would love to see Nico imitate other drivers on the virtual laps, emphasizing their peculiarities and overlay them on the video. Then Nico starts at the back (with the fastest car) and has to get by them all. Avoid the Mazepin spins, Tsunodo road block, Alonso weaving and blocking, Max trying to take you out if you try to pass, Bottas pulling over and letting you by… ah, it would be hilarious.
I do expect a very intersting race as the season is coming to an end and such close battle between top 2 will put a lot of pressure not only on them but their teammates as well. Ferrari and McLaren are still in fight for 3rd and other mid grid teams are also fighting for points. My point is, it's gonna be a fun race.
Your response to question #5 earned a like and a subscribe from me. Excellent analysis of Lewis's ability to stick in the clean air through the corners and line up the opposing car for a tow at the beginning of the straight in Brazil. I thought I was the only one who noticed this. He set up many drivers for an overtake at turn 4 by faking the inside on turn 1.
I have only watched F1 a few years, but this is by far the most entertaining season so far with there being an actual close battle for the championship! It's not only exciting during race weekends but also during weekdays with all the developments (RIP F5 key). I'm really hoping there will be four of five teams actually competing for the championship next year. Imagine the show!
Excellent analysis Nico. It's great to see your focus while driving a lap on your sim. I'm also really enjoying your commentary and expert insights on Sky during races, you are doing a great job of breaking down complex ideas for racing roobs like myself. Keep up the good work! You have a very bright future in racing media.
Personally, I don't think Max should have gotten a penalty. These things will endlessly be argued in either favor or opposition of Max or Lewis, but I agree with Wheatley's statement of "this is all about 'let them race.'" Formula One is about pushing the quickest cars in the world to their absolute breaking points, in addition to racing against 19 of the other best drivers in the world, and like Senna said, if you no longer go for that gap, you're no longer a racing driver. Could Max have handled the corner better and actually gained more time on Lewis without going wide? Sure, but this is the sort of thing that F1 fans tune in for every grand prix weekend. It's boring watching a race like most of the Mexico City GP or races where one team completely dominates the other start to finish. We like seeing wheel to wheel action, and it makes the drivers better as a result, if there are no collisions. This is Senna vs. Prost, (yourself) Nico vs. Hamilton, etc. It's good to see a worthy rival for the title again, makes things exciting.
@@Kevinschart Many people that are upset about these sorts of incidents have only started watching F1 due to seeing Drive to Survive on Netflix and seeing how that show has vastly increased the attention to title fights and on-track incidents not only in the public view, but for the FIA and team bosses as well. Realistically, that incident in Brazil did not put Hamilton at any disadvantage at all, and he essentially lost no time. Lest you forget, he won the Grand Prix. 15-20+ km/h difference, and one point 27 km/h in the straights, is an absurd amount of difference, even with a new engine. I believe the rationale behind this decision vs. Silverstone is that Lewis received a penalty in Britain due to the sheer speed at which they were both traveling, as well as the massive consequence of his action, knocking Max out of the race and into the hospital. Max's action? Zero consequence, as he lost and both he and Lewis took zero damage. Realistically, Max could have taken the corner sharper and actually built time back on Lewis, but getting into hypotheticals isn't a good habit.
I feel that incident between Max and Lewis was completely fine. Max is trying his hardest to defend against Lewis, who looked unstoppable. I feel (at least up to certain point) it is okay to defend against the car trying to pass you, Max's move might have seemed a little dangerous. However the worst of there problems was a little bit of dirt on their tires. Max was desperate to hold on just that little bit longer, unfortunately he couldn't hold on for long. This championship is nail biting stuff and I am looking forward to this weekends race. 😁
Please install Content Manager, SOL and a nice PPFilter for your AC setup. :) And there is also a 2021 version of the car mod which drives even better. Would love to see it more graphically enhanced when you cover Jeddah next. :)
Yes he should of got a penalty, it sets a precedent form the FIA as Leclerc mentioned during media day on Thursday, not to mention the FIA more or less saying that they were at fault and should of called it, but didn't want to look stupid...
Of course Max should get a penalty. Even his own supporters agree. This is what Max usually does. Many times when he is about to be overtaken he would overshoot corners or run wide. Knowing the fact that he may get a black & white flag but it resets every race. It's kinda smart & now sure why more drivers don't just use this loop hole.
I'd love to see Nico take a second look at a his sim lap after quali and the GP to see if his perception of the best line was the same as the fastest drivers.
Agree. I'm quite sure he has it right (specially if the circuit he's using in the simulator is precise enough). Just as a reminder, Nico is not "a casual F1 driver", he's the one who beated Lewis for 1 championship, and who was maybe the closest teammate in speed together only with Alonso (another world champion).
my Opinion is that the battle was very hard racing. Its hard to say, but at the end i wouldn’t give a penalty. They tried to fight and it was really close.
Imo max should have gotten a penalty as in the end he went off track and got a lasting advantage. Im also for letting them race and if max managed to "push" lewis off track while not missing the corner no penalty would have been fine in my opinion, but since max didn't make the corner, he pushed lewis off track and went out himself meaning he made a track limit violation, max could've also giva up the place after and then again no penalty would have been right but i think in the end he should have been penalized
Personally, I wouldn't want max to be getting a penalty there because anyway Lewis won the grand prix and as a fan, I'd want a much closer racing as possible!
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I understand that circumstantially we should let the title rivals race on but I do think that Max should have gotten at least a 5 second penalty. But I think what we're all looking for is consistency from the Stewards. This may set an unwanted precedent for future races where we see teams bring up certain incidents to defend their case.
i'll do you one better.. he didn't even receive a warning. that's pretty shameful. the precedents have already been thrown out the window. fia doesn't care about precedents at this point
It's fascinating to hear the unique perspective of a former F1 world champion. Your Q and As are some of the most interesting F1 content on youtube. Keep it up, Nico!
As I’m rooting for Max and think it would be nice for him to win. I can’t let my automatic bias sway what I believe is proper racing. It was evident that Max’s line was not adequate for Lewis and that he should’ve provided more space than what he did. Lewis received a penalty when he didn’t leave space back in silverstone for doing a similar move but Max in Brazil did not. Again, I am a Max fan but what’s right is right.
Comparing a slow speed corner to a 300km/h turn is beyond ridiculous. In Copse you could die if it went wrong in brazil the worst that could have happened is a dnf for one of the two or maybe both. It sure wasn´t clean racing, but comparing it to an incident where far more was on the line is just not right. Should have been a position return, but a penalty for that bit of pushing off, which hamilton did as well back in the day is just not appropriate
Well the sound effect of the start of the video was the best part of the video. The answer for the top comment question is yes but Max should have been given only a small penalty because it really didn't affect the results and didn't damage Lewis that much
Slight correction Nico. Actually Sergio Perez won at this track in 2009 when he raced in the GP2 Asia Series and Nikita Mazepin raced the track in 2014 while competing in the MRF Challenge Formula 2000 Championship.
Yes, max should have gotten a 5 second time penalty in Brazil. However, this penalty should have been given during the race. Giving the penalty after the race is over is unfair. If Max had known that he is getting a penalty, he would have widened the gap to Bottas, and his result would still be the same.
I really like the colour commentary from Nico and jensen in the f1 broadcast. Their insight and knowledge is phenomenal. Their calmness and clarity also offsets crofty who can sound like a sugar and helium filled toddler most of the time
I dont agree, some other drivers will get penalties for less than that and it wont be fair. Plus, if max had gotten a penalty, the battle for the championship would be even more intense, which is what people in theory want, but not really, most people just want lewis to lose
@@arncj18 Max would’ve screwed Lewis’ race in Brazil had there been gravel instead of asphalt. The only reason max didn’t get a penalty was because Lewis was quick enough to react and avoid the accident
Max Verstappen should have gotten a penalty in Brazil for failing to make the corner by quite a few meters and forcing Hamilton out. Otherwise with this behavior you can't overtake on the outside.
I think drivers should have to leave space if another driver is significantly alongside them. Like that we would see drivers racing side by side. Like this with the car on the inside forcing the other car out the fight is finished within one corner.
I think that the end result of the incident is affecting the stewards' decisions and that shouldn't happen. The only difference between the Perez/Norris incidents at RBR and this incident is that one car ended up actually forced into gravel and had their race affected. But even then, Perez picked up those penalties for forcing Leclerc wide despite Charles not being slowed too much. F1 needs to take the same stewards from track to track for greater consistency and they'll hopefully avoid problems like this in the future.
Even if it was very hard from Max, i guess thats the kind of racing is what we all want to see in Formula 1. None of us wants to get the Championship decided by the stewards i think.
its still being decided by stewards. if you would normally ping a driver for doing what max did, but you let max off because hes in a championship battle, then your artifically favouring him.
Imo how the stewards dealt with the incident is a case of favouring the show and the entretainment over the strict rules. In any other situation they would have probably given a penalty, but, likely due to them seeing how fast Lewis was, they decided to 'let them race' and not interfere, thinking LH would pass Max eventually. Tbh this was likely the better decision overall, since it made quite the spectacle in Interlagos and made Lewis' win seem even more well-earned.
Max should have gotten a penalty (coming from a max fan this 😂) , but it should've been during the race and not deliberated for so long.. I feel if that had happened, then red bull forced into damage limitation would've come up with a surprise strategy master class and maybe (just maybe) they would've fought right up on the last lap for the win
Announcer- “We don’t have the one camera angle we need to determine if Max pushed Lewis off”. Red Bull - “😝” It seems Max didn’t try hard to really hit the apex but at the same time it didn’t look like he purposely opened the wheel into Lewis. A very lucky incident though and a great move of avoiding a collision by Lewis.
It’s definitely a grey area… could have went either way. You could argue both sides of the argument. I’m just happy these guys are giving us racing like this at the end of the season, it’s refreshing to finally see a true title fight between two great drivers.
Although I am not nearly qualified to determine whether or not max should have gotten a penalty, I still believe that in this case the stewards were correct in not giving one. Although Max pushed Lewis off the track, he himself went off the track as well. This differs to the Alonso - Giovinazzi incident/s in Austin because one was pushed off where the other stayed remained on it. Regardless of the outcome, we still have one of the most exciting season finales in recent history to look forward to within the next few weeks
On top of that there were just so many annoying things max did (like weaving and that) but I feel like there was nothing that pushed him over the edge for the stewards to penalise him for
Max should have gotten a penalty in my opinion. The only way he was able to keep the position was by going off track, if he had tried to make the corner, he would have had to brake earlier.
Verstappen should have gotten a penalty clearly. Considering that Norris and Perez got penalties for incidents that were similar and less egregious than this one, the stewards should remain consistent with the penalties. The onboard camera (which mysteriously was not available to the stewards at the time of the incident) when compared to the previous lap makes it abundantly clear that verstappen intentionally ran Hamilton off the road( In the process going off track himself) Also penalties are given based on the incident itself and not the consequences . So there are 2 inconsistencies here. Would they have penalized verstappen if they had crashed?
Difference is with Norris & Perez. The other car had been affected both time wise & position wise.. In this, neither Max or Lewis gained or lost time..
The way I see it, Max started understeering on corner entry, making it an accident ORIGINALLY. However, I know for a fact that Max very much so could have caught the car and got it to steer while only slightly going off the track. So, with that, I believe that, despite the original move being nothing more than a mistake, Max SHOULD have gotten a penalty, based off of Max being one of the best in the world, and the fact that he definitely could have kept the car reasonably close to the track if he wanted to. At the same time, though, Lewis ended up getting through and winning anyway, so at the end of the day, this didn't affect the outcome at all, so said penalty should be nothing more than a 5-place grid drop.
Here's my opinion and it honestly rings pretty close to Tommo's opinion of it as well. I don't think he should get the penalty. Why? Well first of all, most likely the penalty he would get would be the 5 second penalty and because Valtteri was 3 seconds behind, that would mean Max would lose second without the ability to defend it. Now, if they gave him the penalty very shortly after the incident during the race, by all means, give him a 5 second penalty. He would then have the ability to fight for that position and try his best to get a larger then 5 second gap to Valtteri. Whether or not he could doesn't matter, what matters is that you are giving him an on-track in-the-moment ability to fight the consequence of his actions. If you gave him the penalty now, you are taking his defense away from him, its like playing god, which, no one should have the ability to do. I personally am in the Max crowd, but I think the stewards should have given him the penalty right after the incident and allowed Max to battle with the lap times compared to Valtteri, I personally think they slightly screwed up there. But, they did what they did in the moment, they can't go back on it now.
Absolutely Max should have gotten a penalty, you have guys like Leclerc and Palmer saying "how can you expect anyone to have a chance overtaking round the outside now" set the standard
I think Verstappen shouldn’t have gotten a penalty. In any normal circumstance he should have gotten a penalty. But considering the two didn’t touch as well as the fact that Hamilton was able to overtake and win the race in the end (meaning the incident didn’t affect him much) I think the stewards should just let them race because at the end of the day the fans want excitement and that moment was arguably the most exciting of the race. Also loving the content recently Nico, Keep it up and good luck for the last Extreme E race of the season!!!
Max was pushing the Championship to the edge and with such immense pressure on hamilton and vice versa that's the real hard racing f1 fans have been dieing to watch sensei
let's appreciate how Lewis H and Max Verstappen give us this season with lots of action witch we miss in the last couple of years , this is wat the fans of f1 needs In pursuit of a record breaking eight or a history making first No matter who you’re rooting for, you can’t deny that THIS is exciting. LETS GOOO, I'm so excited for the season to continue
I think that Max shouldn't got penalty in the battle against Lewis in Brasil because I think this kind of battle is the most spectacular show for all the public. It is a esenticial of racing and we all want to see more battle like this.
I think a penalty sets a slippery slope for the future of the sport (as seen in other sports like football or basketball). Fans love the excitement. Should there be more consistency? Yes. Should we penalise every small battle made in a race? No. Whether it's Max or Lewis, my answer would be no.
I've generally been okay with the idea that the driver on the inside is allowed to run out to the edge of the track on exit to crowd out the driver on the outside - as long as they were ahead at the exit. I think this incident shows how ridiculous that can become taken to the extreme though and maybe that needs rethinking. Max was almost an entire car length behind going into the corner. The only reason he was in a position to push Lewis out is that he eased off the brakes to ensure he was ahead - and he had to ease off so much that he wasn't even close to making the corner anymore. Overtaking is already so difficult in F1 and the defending driver has a lot of advantages. If this is allowed and everyone were to start defending like this it risks the whole thing becoming a farce. It has to be a penalty in my opinion. It's made even more frustrating given the penalties Lando and Checo got in Austria for seemingly doing a similar thing while not even running wide themselves. By not penalising this, and the inconsistent stewarding in general, it risks opening up a can of worms where no one - drivers or fans - know what is and isn't allowed anymore. You can't have a fair competition where no one knows what the rules are.
Not gonna happen lol he'll qualify ahead of max but then they'll change his engine or something to make sure he's not in Max's way. Or he'll just let max by.
Yes, been waiting for this one! 🔥 Think that given the outcome with Lewis ending up winning means that ultimately the incident was insignificant apart from setting a precedent. But just 'letting' them race as they say will hopefully provide the most interesting battles in the races remaining
Great video, Nico! I applied to be part of your team as a 6 month intern starting in January. I hope you can seriously consider me for the position. You have been my inspiration since I was a kid and I know I would make a big impact as part of your brand communications team. All the best champ!
Make this the most liked comment! For Lewis Fans: Of course Max had to take a penalty. He has crashed into Lewis multiple times this season and he has to get banned. For Max fans: It was Lewis' fault. He shouldn't have gone around the outside. He has crashed into Max multiple times this season and he has to get banned. For people who don't give a **** and just want to enjoy the battle: Bwoah we all want a fair fight. Let the stewards decide. For everyone else: Ericsson has to get a penalty. He hit them. For a small fraction of people: Mazepin did it.
Wow. A reasonable Max fan? I don't see that everyday lol Seriously, I cannot stand the weaving. I hated when Alonso was doing it too. It's totally inexcusable and dangerous
The weaving seemed unconventional but yet pointless. Max was trying to break the tow/slipstream but with or without it, Lewis was too fast on the straights in Brazil. I'd rather he continued straight to carry better momentum into the left.
Where do you record your ingame footage with Nico? OBS? Because you can record in 60 or even 120fps. Think you are on 30fps while everything else is 60fps. Good luck and great upload
It seemed similar to the Silverstone wreck without Lewis getting into the wall. I think Max was lucky not getting a 5 second. I think he for sure would had Lewis had to retire.
Arguments against a penalty: We wanted to see the Lewis Max battle on track, Netflix needs even more story lines, the stewards are more scared of Christian Horner than Toto Wolff. Arguments for the penalty: It's clearly a penalty and the stewards have lost the plot. More arguments against clearly means they made the right call - from an unbiased Max fan :P
The only reasonable argument against a penalty is that Lewis would run off track anyway therefore Max shouldn't be penalised for running off track because he decided to defend. I actually would have liked to hear this explanation from fia, instead of Horner and some journalists
I think two current drivers on the F1 Grid had raced at this track Nico, Perez in 2009 and Mazepin in 2014....... but neither will have an advantage as they only raced once each there! Looks awesome thou, I'm used to watching the MotoGP guys race there as their first race of the season.
I don't believe Max Verstappen should have gotten a penalty. Just like the Redbull team radio said "That was purely let them race". The stewards verdict is the one that matters in the end. They have decided not to give Max a penalty and I agree with them.
Its basically impossible to overtake from the outside if that is not a penalty. Verstappen used his car as a blockade, running himself off track and pushed Hamilton wide to hold onto the lead. If you look at the steering angel of Verstappen you can clearly see it was done deliberately and he is not even trying to make the corner. Therefore i think it is a penalty 100%. But the stewards dosent give it because it is a championship battle and it would have been boring for the viewers if the race would have been decided by a penalty.
I think that Max should not be penalized for this incident because: 1) There was infamous episode with Charles (if I'm not mistaken in 2019 austrian gp) wich was racing incident or smth, 2) In this battle with Lewis neither cars nor drivers taken any damage and most importantly 3) I don't think that penalty should affect race results, because racing happens on track at sunday NOT on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Friday, Saturday Thursday, but on Sunday
There shouldn't be a debate of whether there should have been a penalty or not. I believe its the stewards job to analyse incidents and if we can agree with all the other decisions taken by the stewards till now we should also agree with whatever their decision is now whether we like it or not.
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No
Yes
In my opinion the battle was hard racing
Yes. Max's move will make overtaking very difficult on the outside.
Edit: However, since the race has long ended (and Lewis won), Max should be let off with a warning.
@@cyxnn0328 maybe too hard?
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i love how nico is visibly resisting the g forces and bumps with his body even though he isnt actually driving the car. also how he drives with his elbows tucked in even though hes not in the car. old habits i guess.
I noticed too, haha. I love also the finger he's using to downshift, clearly visible at 1:46. Hidden message? :DDD
Imagine him dreaming about driving an f1 while he sleeps and having his whole body contracted on the bed 🤣
I can understand why he still does that. I used to play tennis until 3 years ago. I played it for 2 years. Now, we're playing volleyball in my PE class. What I have found is that when I try to smash the ball to the other side, I still tend to give it a top spin instead of just smashing it flat, which is a bit of a problem but it goes to show that some habits just don't die.
feels like its more trying to hold hiccups than bracing the bumps
Love the "Core 2 Extreme" Intel billboard at 2:18 :)
If the stewards have been consistent with their calls all year, then yes, Max would and should have gotten a penalty. You need to turn in at some point.
That being said, the fact that Lewis only got a slap on the wrist for his move at Silverstone may have been on the minds of the stewards. I kind of almost saw this as a make-up call for their decision earlier in the season.
In a perfect world, Max should have been penalized. But the fact that Lewis was so much faster could have also been a factor as the stewards knew Lewis would get by eventually anyway.
lewis got a penalty in silverstone a penalty isn't meant to stop a driver winning it's meant to punish on track disgressions
How good of a punishment was it though...
10 second penalty isn't a slap on the wrists end of the day had max left room like Lewis did here, he wouldn't have been sent into a wall.... and max had a LOT more room to leave space in Silverstone about 3 car widths to the edge of the track which he didn't bother to use once he made the second decision to turn into Lewis and cause an accident.
So what penalty do you think lewis should have received for silverstone?
And why not just give max the same 10 second penalty? Just because Hamilton avoided max in Brazil, but max didn’t avoid lewis in silverstone, you think it’s fair that max got no penalty since lewis ‘only’ got a 10s penalty?
I just don’t get the logic…
10 sec at silverstone was a mickey mouse penalty. u ok?
Qatar makes for a good Moto GP circuit, looking forward to seeing all the cars under the lights on Sunday 🏁
Boring, narrow, flat and all corners seems to be the same. Horrible track.
It's a challenging and very technical track where the driver and the strategy actually make a difference. Tracks where it's easy to overtake just shows us who has the fastest car.
Major Mugello vibes minus the dramatic elevation changes, I hope dirty air doesn't play too much of a role
@@jorge_781 Abu Dhabi got the worst track
@@minutecineHD Agreed, but this one also sucks
I would love to see Nico imitate other drivers on the virtual laps, emphasizing their peculiarities and overlay them on the video. Then Nico starts at the back (with the fastest car) and has to get by them all. Avoid the Mazepin spins, Tsunodo road block, Alonso weaving and blocking, Max trying to take you out if you try to pass, Bottas pulling over and letting you by… ah, it would be hilarious.
I would love to see this as well
I do expect a very intersting race as the season is coming to an end and such close battle between top 2 will put a lot of pressure not only on them but their teammates as well. Ferrari and McLaren are still in fight for 3rd and other mid grid teams are also fighting for points. My point is, it's gonna be a fun race.
Should Max have gotten a penalty?
Maybe
Should Hamilton have gotten a penalty in Silverstone?
Maybe
Shoul I drive a F1 car?
Probably not
Hotel?
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Your response to question #5 earned a like and a subscribe from me. Excellent analysis of Lewis's ability to stick in the clean air through the corners and line up the opposing car for a tow at the beginning of the straight in Brazil. I thought I was the only one who noticed this. He set up many drivers for an overtake at turn 4 by faking the inside on turn 1.
I have only watched F1 a few years, but this is by far the most entertaining season so far with there being an actual close battle for the championship! It's not only exciting during race weekends but also during weekdays with all the developments (RIP F5 key). I'm really hoping there will be four of five teams actually competing for the championship next year. Imagine the show!
that's happening after Ferarri will come back next year and Maclarn might act with something, but most likely 3 teams 5 driver battle
In Brazil, if Nico was in Max's position, both cars would most certainly be in the barriers! What a rivalry that was, and absolutely thrilling!
i love that i come here to watch a legend and take notes to make my F1 video game driving better and i just end up getting fun F1 facts.
I think it amounts to hard racing and I’m happy they didn’t make contact! No penalty to me just watching a great battle between the best!
Excellent analysis Nico. It's great to see your focus while driving a lap on your sim. I'm also really enjoying your commentary and expert insights on Sky during races, you are doing a great job of breaking down complex ideas for racing roobs like myself. Keep up the good work! You have a very bright future in racing media.
i came here to see if overtaking can happen and nico confirmed. looking foward to the race!
The best analysis about an f1 circuit from Nico Rosberg, one of the best f1 drivers
Nico this big title battle is unfolding we need more videos from u man.
In my opinion the max and Lewis incident was hard racing, just like Lewis stated good hard racing
Like Silverstone
Yeah silverstone was unfortunate.
Personally, I don't think Max should have gotten a penalty. These things will endlessly be argued in either favor or opposition of Max or Lewis, but I agree with Wheatley's statement of "this is all about 'let them race.'" Formula One is about pushing the quickest cars in the world to their absolute breaking points, in addition to racing against 19 of the other best drivers in the world, and like Senna said, if you no longer go for that gap, you're no longer a racing driver.
Could Max have handled the corner better and actually gained more time on Lewis without going wide? Sure, but this is the sort of thing that F1 fans tune in for every grand prix weekend. It's boring watching a race like most of the Mexico City GP or races where one team completely dominates the other start to finish. We like seeing wheel to wheel action, and it makes the drivers better as a result, if there are no collisions.
This is Senna vs. Prost, (yourself) Nico vs. Hamilton, etc. It's good to see a worthy rival for the title again, makes things exciting.
how can i race if you are allowed to push me 10 meters of track?
@@Kevinschart Many people that are upset about these sorts of incidents have only started watching F1 due to seeing Drive to Survive on Netflix and seeing how that show has vastly increased the attention to title fights and on-track incidents not only in the public view, but for the FIA and team bosses as well.
Realistically, that incident in Brazil did not put Hamilton at any disadvantage at all, and he essentially lost no time. Lest you forget, he won the Grand Prix. 15-20+ km/h difference, and one point 27 km/h in the straights, is an absurd amount of difference, even with a new engine.
I believe the rationale behind this decision vs. Silverstone is that Lewis received a penalty in Britain due to the sheer speed at which they were both traveling, as well as the massive consequence of his action, knocking Max out of the race and into the hospital. Max's action? Zero consequence, as he lost and both he and Lewis took zero damage. Realistically, Max could have taken the corner sharper and actually built time back on Lewis, but getting into hypotheticals isn't a good habit.
this is by far the best f1 season I've seen in my life and I'm following f1 since i was a little kid. whoever wins will have massively deserved it
Love that oversteer moment at 2:20. Nice save Nico.
I feel that incident between Max and Lewis was completely fine. Max is trying his hardest to defend against Lewis, who looked unstoppable. I feel (at least up to certain point) it is okay to defend against the car trying to pass you, Max's move might have seemed a little dangerous. However the worst of there problems was a little bit of dirt on their tires. Max was desperate to hold on just that little bit longer, unfortunately he couldn't hold on for long. This championship is nail biting stuff and I am looking forward to this weekends race. 😁
Completely fine? He didn’t even turn!
Please install Content Manager, SOL and a nice PPFilter for your AC setup. :) And there is also a 2021 version of the car mod which drives even better. Would love to see it more graphically enhanced when you cover Jeddah next. :)
Tbh I thought I'm the only one felt the same but he did a good content.
Really happy for you Nico. Thank you for entertaining us with you skill, intellect and passion. Sir Lewis and you made me love F1.
Really nice to see you rocking some other cars!! I actually love Alpha Tauri!
Yes he should of got a penalty, it sets a precedent form the FIA as Leclerc mentioned during media day on Thursday, not to mention the FIA more or less saying that they were at fault and should of called it, but didn't want to look stupid...
Of course Max should get a penalty. Even his own supporters agree. This is what Max usually does. Many times when he is about to be overtaken he would overshoot corners or run wide. Knowing the fact that he may get a black & white flag but it resets every race. It's kinda smart & now sure why more drivers don't just use this loop hole.
Friday, Means Nico track analysis time! You rinsed that circuit! . always enjoy these posts, Thanks dude.
There is nothing better than our NICO giving us a F1 tutorial :D
I'd love to see Nico take a second look at a his sim lap after quali and the GP to see if his perception of the best line was the same as the fastest drivers.
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Agree. I'm quite sure he has it right (specially if the circuit he's using in the simulator is precise enough). Just as a reminder, Nico is not "a casual F1 driver", he's the one who beated Lewis for 1 championship, and who was maybe the closest teammate in speed together only with Alonso (another world champion).
@@almarma Lewis took a few corners flat out that Rosberg clearly let off on
@@divyeshkhatri3682 yet people will say it’s just the car 😂😂🤦🏾♂️
@@divyeshkhatri3682 could be that the sim is not completely accurate with the car physics and performance
my Opinion is that the battle was very hard racing. Its hard to say, but at the end i wouldn’t give a penalty. They tried to fight and it was really close.
Man, I can see how difficult is this track by the face of Nico during the hot lap. He is suffering to race fast! Amazing challenge.
NICO : explaining each and every point for race track
Us: Trying to use them in real roads
Imo max should have gotten a penalty as in the end he went off track and got a lasting advantage. Im also for letting them race and if max managed to "push" lewis off track while not missing the corner no penalty would have been fine in my opinion, but since max didn't make the corner, he pushed lewis off track and went out himself meaning he made a track limit violation, max could've also giva up the place after and then again no penalty would have been right but i think in the end he should have been penalized
Personally, I wouldn't want max to be getting a penalty there because anyway Lewis won the grand prix and as a fan, I'd want a much closer racing as possible!
Agreed, this season is all about that!
Yesss
I'm a new subscriber here, just discovered this channel, glad to know that Nico is doing such an amazing work on his CZcams channel. Greetings from Tanzania 🇹🇿
love how he flips us off when changing gears down
I understand that circumstantially we should let the title rivals race on but I do think that Max should have gotten at least a 5 second penalty. But I think what we're all looking for is consistency from the Stewards. This may set an unwanted precedent for future races where we see teams bring up certain incidents to defend their case.
i'll do you one better.. he didn't even receive a warning. that's pretty shameful. the precedents have already been thrown out the window. fia doesn't care about precedents at this point
It's fascinating to hear the unique perspective of a former F1 world champion. Your Q and As are some of the most interesting F1 content on youtube. Keep it up, Nico!
Very nice Nico. Thank you for making and sharing videos.
As I’m rooting for Max and think it would be nice for him to win. I can’t let my automatic bias sway what I believe is proper racing. It was evident that Max’s line was not adequate for Lewis and that he should’ve provided more space than what he did. Lewis received a penalty when he didn’t leave space back in silverstone for doing a similar move but Max in Brazil did not. Again, I am a Max fan but what’s right is right.
Comparing a slow speed corner to a 300km/h turn is beyond ridiculous. In Copse you could die if it went wrong in brazil the worst that could have happened is a dnf for one of the two or maybe both. It sure wasn´t clean racing, but comparing it to an incident where far more was on the line is just not right. Should have been a position return, but a penalty for that bit of pushing off, which hamilton did as well back in the day is just not appropriate
@@heligian4866 You have got to remember that the consequences of the incident should not influence the decision.
Well the sound effect of the start of the video was the best part of the video. The answer for the top comment question is yes but Max should have been given only a small penalty because it really didn't affect the results and didn't damage Lewis that much
Great 👍 analysis as per normal brother.
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Appreciate your analysis. I live near COTA, and enjoyed that one.
Slight correction Nico. Actually Sergio Perez won at this track in 2009 when he raced in the GP2 Asia Series and Nikita Mazepin raced the track in 2014 while competing in the MRF Challenge Formula 2000 Championship.
Watch the whole video before commenting 😆
Yes, max should have gotten a 5 second time penalty in Brazil. However, this penalty should have been given during the race. Giving the penalty after the race is over is unfair. If Max had known that he is getting a penalty, he would have widened the gap to Bottas, and his result would still be the same.
bestes Intro ever. Erst hört man 3 mal Nico mit "ahhh" und dann kommt der AlphaTauri :D
I really like the colour commentary from Nico and jensen in the f1 broadcast. Their insight and knowledge is phenomenal. Their calmness and clarity also offsets crofty who can sound like a sugar and helium filled toddler most of the time
I'll be brutally honest. I'm glad max didn't get a penalty, but he definitely got off the hook a bit too easily.
and lewis didn't 99,9 times
I dont agree, some other drivers will get penalties for less than that and it wont be fair. Plus, if max had gotten a penalty, the battle for the championship would be even more intense, which is what people in theory want, but not really, most people just want lewis to lose
@@julianmorales1929 silverstone 10 sec for putting him in hospital and taking 1st was not a Mickey Mouse penalty?
@@arncj18 Max would’ve screwed Lewis’ race in Brazil had there been gravel instead of asphalt. The only reason max didn’t get a penalty was because Lewis was quick enough to react and avoid the accident
@@julianmorales1929 in theory the outcome of an incident shouldn't affect the level of penalty a driver receives
Max Verstappen should have gotten a penalty in Brazil for failing to make the corner by quite a few meters and forcing Hamilton out.
Otherwise with this behavior you can't overtake on the outside.
Exactly. If they always let everyone get away with what max did, we'd have no overtakes on the outside. Plus a lot more spins and crashes
I think drivers should have to leave space if another driver is significantly alongside them. Like that we would see drivers racing side by side. Like this with the car on the inside forcing the other car out the fight is finished within one corner.
Thanks again for the great content Nico!
Wow! Thanks for this video Nico 🤙🔥
I think that the end result of the incident is affecting the stewards' decisions and that shouldn't happen. The only difference between the Perez/Norris incidents at RBR and this incident is that one car ended up actually forced into gravel and had their race affected. But even then, Perez picked up those penalties for forcing Leclerc wide despite Charles not being slowed too much. F1 needs to take the same stewards from track to track for greater consistency and they'll hopefully avoid problems like this in the future.
Good idea.
Even if it was very hard from Max, i guess thats the kind of racing is what we all want to see in Formula 1. None of us wants to get the Championship decided by the stewards i think.
Most people would rather see clean racing. championship is only decided by the stewards if they make the wrong decision like today.
@@kvothe4637 How sais it was the wrong decision ?
Who is making the decision ? The public or professional stewards?
@@michaelbenoit6048 Unfortunately, it seems stakeholders are making decisions. Turning F1 in USPro Wrestling.
its still being decided by stewards. if you would normally ping a driver for doing what max did, but you let max off because hes in a championship battle, then your artifically favouring him.
@@kvothe4637 Clean racing is history between these two drivers, if it ever was there.
Your videos are phenomenal! W
I like how Nico kinda freewingin' it a bit and like a great driver he is knows how to adjust in seconds. Unbelievable.
Imo how the stewards dealt with the incident is a case of favouring the show and the entretainment over the strict rules. In any other situation they would have probably given a penalty, but, likely due to them seeing how fast Lewis was, they decided to 'let them race' and not interfere, thinking LH would pass Max eventually. Tbh this was likely the better decision overall, since it made quite the spectacle in Interlagos and made Lewis' win seem even more well-earned.
That s no sense the rules are the same for everyone you cant push your opponent outside the track because he Is faster
Max should have gotten a penalty (coming from a max fan this 😂) , but it should've been during the race and not deliberated for so long.. I feel if that had happened, then red bull forced into damage limitation would've come up with a surprise strategy master class and maybe (just maybe) they would've fought right up on the last lap for the win
0:22 This makes me feel so much better about my performance on new (to me) tracks. 😂
What I find a amazing is Nico’s face reaction after taking every turn , now we know what his face was like under the helmet during his f1 qualifying 😅
Announcer- “We don’t have the one camera angle we need to determine if Max pushed Lewis off”.
Red Bull - “😝”
It seems Max didn’t try hard to really hit the apex but at the same time it didn’t look like he purposely opened the wheel into Lewis. A very lucky incident though and a great move of avoiding a collision by Lewis.
It’s definitely a grey area… could have went either way. You could argue both sides of the argument. I’m just happy these guys are giving us racing like this at the end of the season, it’s refreshing to finally see a true title fight between two great drivers.
I like max but I think it’s pretty obvious he should’ve
Nice to see Nico use different liveries ... ❤️
On brazil incident, a prophet once said, "All the time you have to leave a space..!"
Although I am not nearly qualified to determine whether or not max should have gotten a penalty, I still believe that in this case the stewards were correct in not giving one. Although Max pushed Lewis off the track, he himself went off the track as well. This differs to the Alonso - Giovinazzi incident/s in Austin because one was pushed off where the other stayed remained on it. Regardless of the outcome, we still have one of the most exciting season finales in recent history to look forward to within the next few weeks
On top of that there were just so many annoying things max did (like weaving and that) but I feel like there was nothing that pushed him over the edge for the stewards to penalise him for
Max should have gotten a penalty in my opinion. The only way he was able to keep the position was by going off track, if he had tried to make the corner, he would have had to brake earlier.
Verstappen should have gotten a penalty clearly.
Considering that Norris and Perez got penalties for incidents that were similar and less egregious than this one, the stewards should remain consistent with the penalties.
The onboard camera (which mysteriously was not available to the stewards at the time of the incident) when compared to the previous lap makes it abundantly clear that verstappen intentionally ran Hamilton off the road( In the process going off track himself)
Also penalties are given based on the incident itself and not the consequences .
So there are 2 inconsistencies here.
Would they have penalized verstappen if they had crashed?
Difference is with Norris & Perez. The other car had been affected both time wise & position wise..
In this, neither Max or Lewis gained or lost time..
Mazapin drove this track too back in 2014 if I'm not mistaken. Also, no penalty for Max. This is the action F1 fans want!! The tension is fantastic!!
The way I see it, Max started understeering on corner entry, making it an accident ORIGINALLY. However, I know for a fact that Max very much so could have caught the car and got it to steer while only slightly going off the track. So, with that, I believe that, despite the original move being nothing more than a mistake, Max SHOULD have gotten a penalty, based off of Max being one of the best in the world, and the fact that he definitely could have kept the car reasonably close to the track if he wanted to. At the same time, though, Lewis ended up getting through and winning anyway, so at the end of the day, this didn't affect the outcome at all, so said penalty should be nothing more than a 5-place grid drop.
Here's my opinion and it honestly rings pretty close to Tommo's opinion of it as well. I don't think he should get the penalty. Why? Well first of all, most likely the penalty he would get would be the 5 second penalty and because Valtteri was 3 seconds behind, that would mean Max would lose second without the ability to defend it. Now, if they gave him the penalty very shortly after the incident during the race, by all means, give him a 5 second penalty. He would then have the ability to fight for that position and try his best to get a larger then 5 second gap to Valtteri. Whether or not he could doesn't matter, what matters is that you are giving him an on-track in-the-moment ability to fight the consequence of his actions. If you gave him the penalty now, you are taking his defense away from him, its like playing god, which, no one should have the ability to do. I personally am in the Max crowd, but I think the stewards should have given him the penalty right after the incident and allowed Max to battle with the lap times compared to Valtteri, I personally think they slightly screwed up there. But, they did what they did in the moment, they can't go back on it now.
Qatar GP will be interesting for sure. Looking forward see some action on those fast corners.
If its like the last bike track this is going to be CHAOS.
Absolutely Max should have gotten a penalty, you have guys like Leclerc and Palmer saying "how can you expect anyone to have a chance overtaking round the outside now" set the standard
they were never going to give a penalty for it as they are desperate for Max to win the championship.
I think Verstappen shouldn’t have gotten a penalty. In any normal circumstance he should have gotten a penalty. But considering the two didn’t touch as well as the fact that Hamilton was able to overtake and win the race in the end (meaning the incident didn’t affect him much) I think the stewards should just let them race because at the end of the day the fans want excitement and that moment was arguably the most exciting of the race.
Also loving the content recently Nico, Keep it up and good luck for the last Extreme E race of the season!!!
Max was pushing the Championship to the edge and with such immense pressure on hamilton and vice versa that's the real hard racing f1 fans have been dieing to watch sensei
let's appreciate how Lewis H and Max Verstappen give us this season with lots of action witch we miss in the last couple of years , this is wat the fans of f1 needs
In pursuit of a record breaking eight or a history making first
No matter who you’re rooting for, you can’t deny that THIS is exciting.
LETS GOOO, I'm so excited for the season to continue
I think that Max shouldn't got penalty in the battle against Lewis in Brasil because I think this kind of battle is the most spectacular show for all the public. It is a esenticial of racing and we all want to see more battle like this.
I think a penalty sets a slippery slope for the future of the sport (as seen in other sports like football or basketball). Fans love the excitement. Should there be more consistency? Yes. Should we penalise every small battle made in a race? No. Whether it's Max or Lewis, my answer would be no.
Very good video Nico!
I've generally been okay with the idea that the driver on the inside is allowed to run out to the edge of the track on exit to crowd out the driver on the outside - as long as they were ahead at the exit. I think this incident shows how ridiculous that can become taken to the extreme though and maybe that needs rethinking. Max was almost an entire car length behind going into the corner. The only reason he was in a position to push Lewis out is that he eased off the brakes to ensure he was ahead - and he had to ease off so much that he wasn't even close to making the corner anymore.
Overtaking is already so difficult in F1 and the defending driver has a lot of advantages. If this is allowed and everyone were to start defending like this it risks the whole thing becoming a farce. It has to be a penalty in my opinion. It's made even more frustrating given the penalties Lando and Checo got in Austria for seemingly doing a similar thing while not even running wide themselves. By not penalising this, and the inconsistent stewarding in general, it risks opening up a can of worms where no one - drivers or fans - know what is and isn't allowed anymore. You can't have a fair competition where no one knows what the rules are.
Would be exciting to see Pierre Gastly throw a wrench in Hamilton and Verstappen's title fight with a pole or front row in qualifying.
That’ll be the most Gasly thing ever.
Not gonna happen lol he'll qualify ahead of max but then they'll change his engine or something to make sure he's not in Max's way. Or he'll just let max by.
Yes, been waiting for this one! 🔥 Think that given the outcome with Lewis ending up winning means that ultimately the incident was insignificant apart from setting a precedent. But just 'letting' them race as they say will hopefully provide the most interesting battles in the races remaining
Great video, Nico! I applied to be part of your team as a 6 month intern starting in January. I hope you can seriously consider me for the position. You have been my inspiration since I was a kid and I know I would make a big impact as part of your brand communications team. All the best champ!
The cars look really gorgeous on this circuit for some reason.
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For Lewis Fans: Of course Max had to take a penalty. He has crashed into Lewis multiple times this season and he has to get banned.
For Max fans: It was Lewis' fault. He shouldn't have gone around the outside. He has crashed into Max multiple times this season and he has to get banned.
For people who don't give a **** and just want to enjoy the battle: Bwoah we all want a fair fight. Let the stewards decide.
For everyone else: Ericsson has to get a penalty. He hit them.
For a small fraction of people: Mazepin did it.
Max fan here, but honestly find the weaving more shocking than the defence move.
Wow. A reasonable Max fan? I don't see that everyday lol
Seriously, I cannot stand the weaving. I hated when Alonso was doing it too. It's totally inexcusable and dangerous
The weaving seemed unconventional but yet pointless. Max was trying to break the tow/slipstream but with or without it, Lewis was too fast on the straights in Brazil. I'd rather he continued straight to carry better momentum into the left.
Forget Max v Lewis. Look how Nico reacts doing his hot lap, bracing for the G's or even wobbling his head when he goes over a curve
Where do you record your ingame footage with Nico? OBS? Because you can record in 60 or even 120fps. Think you are on 30fps while everything else is 60fps. Good luck and great upload
It seemed similar to the Silverstone wreck without Lewis getting into the wall. I think Max was lucky not getting a 5 second. I think he for sure would had Lewis had to retire.
Arguments against a penalty: We wanted to see the Lewis Max battle on track, Netflix needs even more story lines, the stewards are more scared of Christian Horner than Toto Wolff.
Arguments for the penalty: It's clearly a penalty and the stewards have lost the plot.
More arguments against clearly means they made the right call - from an unbiased Max fan :P
The only reasonable argument against a penalty is that Lewis would run off track anyway therefore Max shouldn't be penalised for running off track because he decided to defend. I actually would have liked to hear this explanation from fia, instead of Horner and some journalists
I think two current drivers on the F1 Grid had raced at this track Nico, Perez in 2009 and Mazepin in 2014....... but neither will have an advantage as they only raced once each there! Looks awesome thou, I'm used to watching the MotoGP guys race there as their first race of the season.
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I don't believe Max Verstappen should have gotten a penalty. Just like the Redbull team radio said "That was purely let them race". The stewards verdict is the one that matters in the end. They have decided not to give Max a penalty and I agree with them.
Its basically impossible to overtake from the outside if that is not a penalty. Verstappen used his car as a blockade, running himself off track and pushed Hamilton wide to hold onto the lead. If you look at the steering angel of Verstappen you can clearly see it was done deliberately and he is not even trying to make the corner. Therefore i think it is a penalty 100%. But the stewards dosent give it because it is a championship battle and it would have been boring for the viewers if the race would have been decided by a penalty.
Just like Mazapin on Yuki in F3
I think that Max should not be penalized for this incident because: 1) There was infamous episode with Charles (if I'm not mistaken in 2019 austrian gp) wich was racing incident or smth, 2) In this battle with Lewis neither cars nor drivers taken any damage and most importantly 3) I don't think that penalty should affect race results, because racing happens on track at sunday NOT on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Friday, Saturday
Thursday, but on Sunday
WHEN YOU DOING HOTLAP, it hink its better to put a mini map of circuit.. so we can imagine where it is on every turn
Max should've been penalised in the race or at least the incident should've been officially investigated. Anything post-race wouldn't have been fair.
I think max should have gotten a penalty because he even went out of the road he didnt leave any space to stay on the track
There shouldn't be a debate of whether there should have been a penalty or not. I believe its the stewards job to analyse incidents and if we can agree with all the other decisions taken by the stewards till now we should also agree with whatever their decision is now whether we like it or not.
if any F1 drivers have any race, they should just watch nico before the race, it really helps.