Former Conservatives vs Former Liberals | Middle Ground
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00:31 My former political views were cult-like
07:17 I think Trump will win the next election
12:28 Democrats are more compassionate thank Republicans
19:21 Changing sides was traumatic
25:50 The dual party system hurts America
31:41 I am still aligned with certain policies from my former political beliefs - Zábava
Unreleased prompt only on Patreon: bit.ly/more-on-patreon "Religion played a part in changing my beliefs."
No
here's a topic , those who think the 2020 elections was legitimate and those who sincerely questing the results for a variety of reasons. I would actually go on the show since not only have I been working on VA elections and the various complications that we have discovered with lack of legislative transparency in the way we vote in VA. I've done extremely extensive research on this subject these last 3 years.
Women who are pro-sex work vs women who are anti-sex work
Yeah ngl lost respect for Jubilee when I found out they are putting content behind a paywall. How tacky.
@@user-wm1zg1dh8f really tacky 🤦🏽♀️
I just know this wasn't emily's first time saying 'well my pronouns are now pretty princess'
Only Yasmin from bratz is called pretty princess. Sorry Emily
She literally used pronouns in that sentence 😭 “my” is a possessive pronoun
@@chateaulobbyshe’s did
She aint wrong though. She did 'serve' as @chateaulobby puts it.
@@alecklecky Love how conservatives only have one joke
It felt like Emily was auditioning for a conservative talk show.
Female Dave Rubin
She's not conservative.
REAL
We know she worship Pearl
...Well, she'd be certainly great at the job.
I don’t think Emily’s friends cut her off just because she’s conservative 😬
they cut her off couse she is annoying
I like her.
@@petereames3041 well ur a nobody on the internet of course u do
@@petereames3041I do too.
I find her both annoying and valid. Overall, her positive qualities outweigh the negative for me. Biggest factor being that she is brutally honest. I appreciate honesty in people, even if they're annoying or dense at times.
This debate was more peaceful than I expected 😂 wow maybe the empathy of having been on the other side makes the difference
Empathy makes a world of a difference. In fact, not enough people have it.
It’s because you have a room full of people who are comfortable with challenging their own beliefs. These are the friend groups you should surround yourself with if you want to grow.
My exact thoughts
Political differences aren’t so bad when you consider there’s literally a 100 year war going on in the Middle East
People being very personally invested in presidents is weird. It's delusional and cult like.
Yep worshiping false idols
the president is just the newest celebrity
Tbh it's not like that at all its only because who the president is affects the our daily lives.
Yep it also seems to be an American thing most foreigners don’t attach themselves to politicians
Most of these people are on their way to fascist ideology
I don’t think Emily was a former liberal, she just _realised_ she wasn’t liberal.
Ooh, kind of like me!
How you met liberals these days? They're insane.
Well she did say she was a former-emo kid and she def has that early 2000's emo internet kid vibe
@@Chelsea123Chiii kinda get the feeling her definition of her being emo was just wearing eyeliner and black hoodies (which is in fact not emo)
@@m00nm1lk Nah she's def the raWR OmG
emily going from 'I've never cut off a person because of their political beliefs' to saying she knows to 'stay away' when someone has their pronouns in their bio is genuinely laughable
I get what you're saying but those aren't contradictory. To cut someone off, you'd have to had a relationship with them. Staying away from someone online doesn't require cutting them off coz you've probably not even talked to them.
principle is the same- aversion based on political belief@@pythondrink
@maggieeastburn Not really though. She was saying that if someone she already knew for a long time decided to put pronouns in their bio, she would stop talking to them, even though she doesn't agree.
@maggieeastburn having to tell people your pronouns when their opposite agreed upon usage isn't a political view.
@@slightlyaboveaverage2235 yes, speech isn't a political view. However, the underlying view in the speech can be political. And "political" is a pretty meaningless word so literally any view out there is a political view once the government gets involved.
Javen's heart was beating out of his chest at 34:38. There's something uneasy about him. Like there is something deeper going on with him internally. His defense of literal authoritarian governments was also shocking to witness. Him calling the "alphabet community" "perverse" was also an extreme jump. I really hope that he finds inner peace and surpasses whatever struggle he's going through.
His heart calmed down a bit when he moved away from talking about the "alphabet community"
@user-ut7pc7xg8w I noticed this as well
you honestly can make a case that Authoritarian style proves superior, as exemplified by Singapore, Saudi Arabia, and China, especially when comparing GDP advancement within the last 20 -30 year timeframe compared to their regional surrounding democratic counterparts.....
Realize that if you take yourself out of a USA bubble, there are plenty of 15-party and 2-party democratic systems in the world that don't have better outcomes compared to Javen's referenced countries, especially in the recent timeframe. So, his point a 2-party system is not necessarily a horrible thing... especially if your asking for more parties.
but theirs something internally wrong with him?
i can’t believe you can actually hear his heart pumping😭
@@MrOBJECTIVETRUTHyou're only measuring GDP not freedom or happiness
I don’t really believe Emily was ever “liberal” like she claims. She equates being a former liberal to “i literally used to be an emo kid”.
no fr💀💀
No, she equated being an emo kid to being more emotional and empathetic & caring about other peoples emotions, which relates more to the left’s values.
She didnt equate being emo to being liberal. She equated emo and empathetic
Well, that's what a majority of "liberals" sound like these days. Emotional queer cry babies. Normal liberals don't even stand up to those freaks that scream bigotry every 5 seconds just to have a conservation so yeah, the perception is very strong.
She’s correct! When emo kid grow up to be emo adult they become conservative incels. 😂
There is no way Emily was a former liberal
How
She’s not even conservative
Not a chance.
100% sure shes just there to be liked by whoever will listen to her lol
No, she's obviously a current liberal.
They went from “a two party system doesn’t work” to “capital punishment may be fine” in less than ten seconds
Why is that contradictory?
While there's the general spectrum of egalitarian/authoritarian, the main goal of an ideological system is to survive and reproduce, and totalitarian systems have shown a reduced capacity to do exactly that. It's why polytheism isn't really taken seriously in general conversation, why eugenics isn't taken seriously, and why no one takes alchemy seriously. Because these are deeply unserious things refuted empirically all over the globe using myriad way's and all of their proponents have shown to be people who rather than try to understand the world in a pragmatic way refuse all evidence to the contrary, intentionally make sure this evidence is silenced, and reduces the complexity of the chaotic world to something even a literal child will Tell you is too outlandish and unserious.
While a chaotic and complex world can be too much at times, actually facing the world and having the bravery to say that maybe humanity doesn't have all the answers, is far less scary than actually seriously believing that someone does have all the answers, and then twenty years later realizing, whoops I fucked up my life by trusting someone I shouldn't have, and the people I deeply care and love have been hurt because of that, and I have to live with that pain the rest of my life, and they have to live with that, which will also affect the next generation, etc.
It's deeply intoxicating to believe that everything is going to be okay, but if you don't have any evidence to back that up, the fall is going to be ever more precipitous, and ever more damaging when it does happen.
@@ethanstumpIn India polytheism is taken very seriously
@@truthseeker-nv6ny oof. meanwhile here i am in the USA calling monotheism inaccurate. bless their hearts.
@@ethanstumpwhat do you mean “polytheism isn’t taken seriously in general”? As a secular humanist I don’t take any religions seriously but many people are polytheists globally, Hinduism as a popular example. I don’t understand what you meant by that
Honestly, this was THE BEST episode yet. Everyone was able to articulate their points and everyone seemed receptive to the other persons points. This was genuinely great to see and give me more hope in the future!!
and there was emily
The way Blake kept bursting out laughing at Emily was sending me. He could not take her serious lmfao
He was struggling to not call her a clown (like she deserved).
How is she at all a clown, @@EM-rm2xh?
Probably thinking in his head ain't no way she's real. She's here for a check. Because that's exactly what I keep thinking.
@@losergoddess6277 cheque “”””
she has to be a troll
Javen is such a checklist tribalist. When he was a liberal he made sure to check all the extreme liberal boxes. Now he’s a republican and checks all the extreme conservative views. He need some milk
I’m glad somebody else said it. Like literally every time he spoke I grew increasingly more annoyed. I’m neither Democrat or Republican… real independent over here.
He went from a progressive pos to conservative pos
@@ivorythorntonpogue2070fr
I’d call this an over correction.
Leave him alone
Javen seems like one of those people who managed to get themselves brainwashed by Charles Manson. 😂
He's pretty based now. Liberal commenter on this chanel are insufferable.
@@dani_i8942 Brain rot
Emily is the definition of louder, not smarter
What did she say that was wrong or crazy
Cause I had to have missed it ???
@@Big617E i mean there was a whole section where she outed herself as someone who doesn't know basic grammar.
It’s hypocritical to act like pronouns don’t mean a specific thing in that context
@@dianeyoung8130but that was ONE thing out of the entire discussion… other than that what was she so wrong about?
It makes sense that she used to be liberal...that's basically their whole platform. Louder, not smarter.
Emily's confusing pronouns with adjectives. My prefered adjectives are funny, smart, and goodlooking.
Princess is a noun.
@@sumurssno Pretty is not a noun.
And so are every other moron using pronouns. Seek mental help if you feel the need to use pronouns and force others to do so
And yet you fail to get the point she was making
@@RS-xb9loyou failed to get her point... so call her what she wants to be called, you racist bigot.
Saying you love a politician is WILD
depends.. 99.9999% of them yes.. but the likes of vivek ramaswamy is different. Outsiders that come in that aren't supported by the system and are actively shut down by the system should be propped up by the american people.
@@sonnecarver Why should they be propped up? Vivek openly supports Russia and believes that Ukraine should bend to Russia's demands. Not to mention, he's a multimillionaire, so I wouldn't consider him an "outsider" in the Republican party
@@sonnecarverRamaswamy is one of the worst of the Republican bunch lmao
@@pigmasters3263 how, legit tell me how
@@chrisr393 he doesn’t support Russia, he supports America. Wtf is wrong with you?
As someone who grew up in saudi arabia - hearing someone saying there’s no crime is crazy 😭😭
As a fellow person from the Middle East, I'm starting to think Americans know very little about the world.
@@egwene7793 Starting to think? Americans are disconnected from reality outside the US. Chopping hands removed all crime? Like pls...
emily saying she doesn’t care about people’s feelings says a LOT about her
yeahhh idk how people feel like that…. it’s fr crazy to me like that’s scary 😭
Says she doesn't care about the feelings of others and then basically says she cares about the feelings of others...SMH🤔 She is embarrassing herself over and over...and the pronoun comment was so ignorant...
Facts don't care about your feelings.
@@shadowperson779 irrelevant argument
@@sam-xr5zq it's very relevant since you brought up feelings.
I would love to see Liberal immigrants vs. Conservative immigrants
This!
!!!!!!!!!!
Conservative migrant 💪🏿🇬🇪💯
I am a conservative immigrant! I would totally be down to participate!
I agree because I never understood why conservatives escape their conservative countries and still try to empose those ideas
Emily has GOT to be trolling you cannot be that delusional. Saying you love any politician is insane behavior
America is literally the hub of politician-loving people, so I'm not sure why you're all acting so surprised. No country cares more about the person rather than their policies like America.
To me, "grifter" is a term that fits even better.
She worked for NewsMax. That should tell you enough
i think the term is cuntrarian...
Delusional how?
javen sounds like he doesn’t even believe what he’s saying 😭
He sounds like he's been heavily brainwashed lol
Disagree
Javen is disturbing honestly… he’s saying he went from supporting his LGBT family members to thinking they are perverse/offensive. That’s f-ed up
Yeah it’s insane
Not really, same way kids who grew up a pastors kid can come to hating their parents for preaching.
Well it doesn’t help when yaw wanna get close with kids and tell them about your sex lives
@AntiTMG saying hey some people are boys who like boys, girls who like girls. Isn't the same as saying hey let me tell you about this one time that I 69ed...
Because it's gross and demands you celebrate it...
I’m RELIEVED that they’re FINALLY talking about government corruption instead of fighting with each other.
Same. Society have more in common then they think and that's because the govt puts labels on us to keep us divided
But they didn’t actually address anything that leads to govt corruption
@@spartanworrior4519Watch 26:13 how finally most of the people in the room are in agreement that the dual party system is flawed. This is the part where each side is picking apart the other side yet they can all agree that it’s the system that’s to blame for the division. They also talk about corruption.
The government did a great job of really dividing us
@@spartanworrior4519 Blud did not watch the whole video
It's sad people didn't learn what a pronoun was in elementary school. Just because people want to be antagonistic, they forgot what it actually means.
That is so true. I’m not really pro neopronouns, if you can call that, but pronouns are still pronouns and we all use them!
@@luismartins1713 Yeah, what they should have said is that the don't believe in stating your pronouns. That they think which pronoun one should use should be self evident. Which usually it is.
Wait…I’m confused. We were all taught what pronouns were in school - the traditional pronouns (his, her, we, its, them, your, our etc). But now there’s a list of a bagillion pronouns and I thought it was all a recent phenomenon. Are you saying they werent recently created? Her point was pronouns are basically descriptive so she choose “pronouns” that describe her (she choose adjectives). If you are creating pronouns and they can be whatever you want, why can’t you even use adjectives? Rationalizing one and not accepting the other seems rather absurd.
@@dustierbottoms Not really. You can just use "they" for anyone. I've been at a liberal school for 4 years. Still haven't heard anyone use neopronouns. But if they did, I could either remember those pronouns, or use their name or use "they".
@@user-nv9vn8fm1d wait just because you haven’t witnessed anyone using neopronouns, are you saying those people don’t exist? Bc neopronouns exist, they must be preferred pronouns for some people. And I imagine you would be someone that will respect their wishes. So, respect the wishes of someone that wishes to be addressed as princess. I don’t see how your point is relevant. And “they” implies 2 or more people. A English rule that was broken and redefined to accommodate a select group.
Not fooling anyone by cutting Hunter out so much. We know he wouldn’t just sit there quietly the entire second half 😅
I loved everything Blake said he was so well spoken and hit so many points
He really wasn’t. He is very disrespectful to the other side
@@Bestbuilt04nah. He’s been being disrespected by conservatives his whole life. I can guarantee you that.
This was surprisingly less hostile than anticipated
Because they understand where the other side is coming from.
i wouldnt think it would cuz they been in both sides ,
Like the other replies here, I would think the natural assumption is that it is those who have only ever been on one side, and not taken the time to properly understand the other, would be the most hostile. These people know both sides so much that few of them have 100% alignment with their 'side' across all issues.
It's an issue though. How are multiple people perpetrating the lie about the election being "rigged" with barely any pushback? That's dangerous.
The blonde girl was hella passive aggressive
Javen explaining how traumatic becoming transphobic was to HIM, when he must've caused so much pain to his trans family members is actually baffling
I was having such a hard time understanding what he meant because it was just so so so crazy and delulu
i didn't get what he was saying. i hoped someone would ask him to clarify.
honestly
Does not being an ally means he's transphobic??
@@stephniekYes. It is an emotional and ideological form of transphobia. He considers trans people to be living in perversion and no matter what love he may still hold for his trans family member, his perspective will cause them emotional harm
I wonder what Emily’s definition of “emo” was
Listened to a pierce the veil song
she liked Fall Out Boy and wore converse
She probably was an e-girl lol
Exactly what I was thinking
Put black nail polish on once.
I love Samantha. She’s the kind of person I’d love to talk to for hours. Going from Conservative to Liberal is quite an interesting story to hear and this video has been so entertaining and indulging.
and her glasses are fabulous, she seems awesome
She seems really understanding of both sides even though she disagrees.
Yes! She seemed like the most aware person in the room and is the type of person that invites discussion.
That one chick confidently getting angry about pronouns and not having the first clue what they are, honestly I’m not surprised she ended up conservative with those solid reasoning skills.
Which one? Please don't tell me the other one
No one should be forced to call anyone a pronoun that does not fit the G they are. We don't have to live in a lie.
@@danieldenton5721do people who change their names also live in a lie? To me changing your pronouns just seems like a way of expressing yourself how you see fit.
@@danieldenton5721Congratulations, you just used the singular "they" without any trouble.
@@danieldenton5721 bro forgot he’s supposed to be against the „they“ pronoun💀💀
I love how Emily is every stereotype surrounding someone who isn't smart.
It's almost like she's a real life Regina George. wow.
@@jeniffervarela6066Regina George wouldn’t make politics their whole personality
Someone trying to look smart
what are all the stereotypes sorrounding someone who isn't smart?
@@jesusbarrera6916 Blonde, weirdly sarcastic tone, annoying high pitched voice, obsessive over something they have no idea about (in this case politics). I could go on but I don't want to list every single thing about her lol.
I'm glad they included Hunter Avallone in this, going from a creationist who was anti-LGBT to who he is now, it's a welcome change. You can certainly see how he's become more open-minded and reasonable as time has passed, I think we can all appreciate changes like that, even if you don't agree with the person
Most people aren't anti-alphabet community. They're just annoyed that it's getting dumped into our politics and media to clearly force an agenda. Like... chill the f out. It's so shadey.
@@johnny6187It’s clearly the conservatives that are overblowing it.
@momolilya1308 Most definitely dont. I dont, but it's like I just said.
@@ponquin It's quite easy if trans people are recording themselves get misgenered in public.
@@2crisp63then don’t watch it if it annoys you
Javen is so indoctrinated. I don't trust anyone who cannot concede any ground to an opposing position.
This is what happens when your political party becomes your identity.
I would’ve liked to hear what caused them to change their beliefs.
for hunter it was having kids. He's been very vocal about how having kids changed his views
Well, liberal to conservative means that they either got super religious, or were indoctrinated/ given self hatred or some other form of hatred by someone in a minority group usually, and conservative to liberal is just people mentally maturing and making it so their views arent all for their own self interest/ gain.
@@BRIYUHH see this youre part of the problem by saying when someone switches from lib to con its because this and that someone got to them and yayaya and being like oh con to lib is because they matured they got smarter is the stupidest thing i have ever read basically bringing us backwards SMH
@@BRIYUHHThat “mentally maturing” aspect could be used for liberal to conservative. Agree with the the focus towards self tho.
@@BarcelonaBlitzer you should read my paragraph too if you really believe it to be vice versa.
Emily: Ill never cut off a person for their political views. Also Emily: If I see pronouns in your bio I almost know who you are and so who to stay away from. BRUH
There is a clear distinction between those two. "Cutting off" means she would never end a friendship just because of political disagreements. The pronoun thing is people she decides to stay away from and not interact with. Which is fine, her choices to make
dude thats the most disingenuous comparison. do liberals lack elementary comprehension lol
@@xenolith5032 but u arn't just born with pronoun in the bio it gradually gets added, so is she sstaying away this friend now? probably
She's not wrong
And where is the problem in that!?
I get the feeling that Emily is proclaiming whatever she thinks will get her the most attention - saying this as a conservative
She has okay opinions on her CZcams channel “Emily saves America”.
@@3Duardomarrufobailon how..humble of her
I would love a version of these videos without cuts. The long-form discussions would be highly interesting in contrast to the edited content. The full conversations would be very nice
Please make Socialists vs Liberals! So there'll be no more confusion surrounding Liberalism
Thissss
Destiny vs Hasan LET’S GOOOO!
They currently have a casting call for that, though as leftists vs liberals.
@@Norrieificationno not again pls 😭
And facist vs Conservatives
Hunter is the smartest person in that room and he spoke the least. The biggest problem in American society is that idiots speak the loudest.
He spoke a lot but jubilee cut it out, Probably to make it seem like an even discussion.
We have too many Emilys and not enough Hunters.
Kari was also very articulated and spoke very concisely.
How was he the smartest person?
Hunter avallone is a 🤡
I actually liked Emily’s take on politics; she is definitely Conservative but she agreed with a lot of liberal beliefs except when it came to pronouns.
I am so glad Keri was invited on here! She is a gem of a human being and I love her! Check out her podcast yall!
Link plz?
Yeah she’s really smart and great.
Great episode idea,
Movie goers vs. Movie critics would be a really fun episode.
Moviegoer's twenty dollars down
Loves to throw their film knowledge around the workplace
Movie director is going down too
Twenty million dollars, still nobody understands youuuuuuuuu
Yesss
Alternatively, filmmakers vs film critics
This was quite literally the political equivalent of that 😂, I highly doubt a single one of them has read and finished a single book on theory, whether it be Marxist or otherwise…
@@estri5402yesss
I think a tragic flaw that people have, regardless of their side, is that they assume that they have things completely figured out, whether it’s about our elections, the media, or gender politics, you never hear people show humility in how actually little they know about the nuances of each topic and will give oversimplified takes so confidently.
I agree. To me, the truth lives in the grey area & people so desperately want it to be black & white & it just isn’t. The internet has also really ramped this lack of nuance up bc people can just find huge echo chambers that give the illusion of things being absolute.
🫰👏👏👏👏
@@chelsealee6349there’s no grey area to socialism and gender ideology 😂😂😂 stop acting like leftists have legitimate points. 😂😂😂😂
@@chelsealee6349you’re not smart for being neutral 😂😂 you’re just a coward afraid to be wrong. You will be trampled over by people with convictions regardless of if you are correct or not.
Just say you don’t read books or listen to historians and move on. 😂🤡😂🤡😂
I thought I was gonna hate Emily most, but Javan took the cake! Congrats buddy! Yikes
"You can pick yourself up AND you can except welfare." Yes. Yes! It does not make someone bad or lazy or incapable or less than to be open to receiving support and resourcing!! Humans are designed to thrive through interdependence and love. There is too much oppressive inequality and unfair, unsustainable power dynamics and hardship in the world for it to be as simple as "pick yourself up by your bootstraps." It truly is not always that simple. There is so much more I could say on that, some of it from lived experience. It takes strength to be willing to ask for help. Help literally saves lives.❤
Emily made me have to pause multiple times to collect myself and Javan literally went from radical liberalism to radical conservatism, I think he’s just very easily influenced and probably doesn’t think for himself much.
glad i wasn't the only one who had to pause the video after something she said
She is the worst
How to think for yourself?
Sounds like you have a problem hearing other people’s opinions.
Javen reminded me exactly of my ex-roommate - even down to the way they hesitate as they talk. He too was easily influenced and how he portrayed himself publicly would regularly not align with his behavior in the home.
Javen was lowkey like extremely scary. You don’t just completely overhaul your worldview and belief system with absolutely no overlap without some other factors being in play whether it’s internal or external. Also saying he thinks his own family members are sexually perverse for simply existing is really sad.
He is clearly deeply troubled and is grasping from one extreme to another
It's sad when you see actual indoctrination. To fully reject absolutely everything you stood for so absolutely and without nuance seldom happens without a lot of outside influence.
i thought it was just me
@@thomasjefferson6334 LMAO, now all liberals are on drugs ? classic braindead assumption coming from a classic braindead conservative
Fr! Like I saw so many comments praising this for being a respectful debate but he was fr out here saying that queer people are perverse lol. It’s insaneeee. Idk why people refuse to see queer people as just… normal people.
I have a lot of LGBT people in my bubble and everyone who isn’t LGBT is abundantly accepting and understanding. It’s always such a shock to see people like this actually still exist.
This was a great video and it was really nice to see people on both sides respectfully listening to each other and having a calm and practical discussion about these topics.
Thank you for hosting these videos. Conversations between people with different opinions are so uncommon these days and these videos are a great way to hear from someone with a different perspective.
I don't think Emily is either democratic nor republican. I think she went on this strictly for views. She talks like a very stereotypical republican you'd mock tbh. She did it for the publicity. She uses buzz words rather than actual logical thoughts to explain herself. Yikes.
Totally.
She should not have been on this episode. Jubilee should vet these discussions better, first maybe by testing if participants know what a pronoun is
I noticed she kept going for the center chair or as close as she could get.
She's the SNL version of Tomi Lahren
@@calmyourmind5665i seriously thought that was just camera angling but i noticed that she seemed to be in the middle a lot as well. She sat down for EVERY topic so far but im only halfway through.
Panelist: i literally think democrats are political terrorists
Comments section: wow what a polite and respectful discussion 😁🙏
They always comment the same lol
@Magst3r1 LITERALLY in every single debate, the comments are like "wow this is the most respectful debate I've ever seen". like they'd probably say that if two people started beating each other up in the middle of the panel 💀
@@josiea.3855😂😂😂
They're not wrong though? Same could be said for Republicans too and they wouldn't be wrong. Pretty much any corporatist anyways.
@@christianbahena5364 Socialism🔛🔝
I felt like I was losing brain cells anytime Emily or Javen spoke.
Very cool video. I can definitely see both sides of the argument and more people need to have rational discussions like this.
Bro how did the blond girl say she would never cut someone off for their political beliefs but then say if you have pronouns in your bio that means she can assume where your beliefs lie in a lot of areas and she stays away… like the hypocrisy is pretty unreal
It's not necessarily that she would cut them off, she just knows what their personality is like and how they act, which is what she stays away from.
@@Indie_Livelike don’t get me wrong she was acc one of my favourites and I agreed with a lot of her view points but I still feel those too sentences sooo close to each other was a bit wild 😂
cognitive dissonance baby
@@Indie_Livethat sounds like profiling to me
@@ppgurl420 probably is, but if you have seen a specific trait in a lot of really annoying people would you really want to start talking to people with that trait? Probably not
javen’s one extreme to another is actually a bit worrying to me. he seems very brainwashed & lacking his own identity and opinion, whereas the others all held a stronger grasp on their own opinions and identity, changing some, yet keeping others, and such.
for example, strongly empathising with the lgbt community and being an ally turning to a strong hatred where you view the lgbt (or alphabet as he said) as perverted.
it’s very concerning how much he seems to lack a genuine grasp of his own identities and opinions and seems to be so stuck into his current ideologies to the point he says he will never, and he emphasises that again, go back to any former opinions. i hope he can get a proper grasp on himself as an individual and form his own opinions and such.
amen 🙏 that guy is lost
Yeah I agree. Everyone else had reasoning and stuck to their own.
He’s just young and learning . Y’all need to have grace. Like calm down..
Poor guy is just stuck. I wish the best for him.
@@chicken122333 when did i seem as if i wasn’t calm?
Wow, GREAT episode. This is what Middle Ground is all about! As the episode went on, pretty much all of them became more and more respectful, expressed their own opinions while simultaneously working to connect with the other side. Well done!👍
At least in this one everyone is actually having a dialogue. No screaming at each other for once. I like this
I love the premise here because everyone arguing for one side intimately understands the other. Which is something I think is often lacking in American political discourse
They agree about how they feel about things but they’ve got no idea how to organize around anything…so it’s all for nothing
That doesn't make you intimate with both parties. That shows you are actually the opposite
@@dr1flush Being someone that went through the change in political ideas... you are wrong. While I am no conservative I am no longer a liberal in the current sense. I know what it means, I know what and WHY they think the way the do... and now I know why the conservatives do as well. I am just not in the bubble of either side anymore.
@@TierDvikit almost seems as though if everyone started getting real and used more independent thought, rather than herd behavior, then maybe we could eventually agree to disagree and just vote our preferences.
@@JrobAlmighty And as it was pointed out. There are plenty of people in power that dont WANT us thinking or voting that way. It makes sense... they lose power the more independent we the people become.
Javen sounds like he’s trying to convince himself of his own beliefs mid conversation 💀😅
Lol yeah it sounds like he's never actually thought about it. He just read or watched stuff and ran with it. Now that he's having to say it out loud by himself he's realising it's all inconsistent and doesn't make sense.
He actually kinda sounds like he’s foreign if you listen to his accent.
i know the ex liberals were saying that conservatives are rarely even offended but tbh I think they are just passive aggressive. and how he seems so CONFUSED 😭 it's like he doesn't know what he believes anymore. it's crazy seeing grown adults silently argue with each other. I would probably cry after being in one of these Jubilee's
@@rowans-lvrs i would cry too bc wdym there’s people that don’t agree w me 😕🙏
@@rowans-lvrs yeah very traumatising when people don't agree with me on everything
I feel like this is a the best middle ground I’ve seen. People are actually able to discuss and find a middle ground here because they have been on both sides
This discussion was really respectful, which made it nice to listen to. I think the fact all of them have been on both sides means they can understand each other's perspectives better.
The guy with the locs was well spoken and I agreed with him on nearly everything. A very balanced viewpoint on every topic
Bc he grew up in a two parent home that was conservative.
He seems high AF lol that's what I picked up on , smokers know another smoker lol
@@FrazOHwhats that got to do with his viewpoint?
@@FrazOHThe conservatives in this vid seem pretty psychotic so I don’t think your logic is sound here.
@@FrazOHhe probably thought he didn't want to end up like his parents
emily is the kind of girl who chooses her beliefs and personality based off of current trends
bingo!
But aren’t her beliefs against the current trends
Her beliefs are against current trends
Wrong, her current beliefs and personality is against the current trend.
How?
love this episode. so much more civil than the other ones
I love how all the participants were open to hearing each other's views - maybe because they'd all gone through a process of re-examining and changing their own beliefs so they were already used to being more open-minded, regardless of their beliefs.
'It was very very very traumatic to become conservative' says Javen after his whole 'pull yourself up by your bootstraps and don't complain' speech? Wow.
Found that comment hilarious considering it is literaly impossible to pull yourself up by your bootstraps. Like the physics doesn't work, and it says so much about that particular saying
Also the fact that his traumatic story was literally just having a transgender family member?? But then claims the other side is too emotional.
I thought the "bootstraps" type didn't believe in trauma...or mental health for that matter...🙃
Its a phrase/metaphor.
“A metaphor is a figure of speech that describes an object or action in a way that isn't literally true, but helps explain an idea or make a comparison.”
Classic liberal making decisions based off of an emotional base rather than a logical one.😂
@@saramysko1022 And you are the definition of the Dunning-Kruger effect. None of us here needed you to copy and paste the definition of a metaphor, sweetie. Zelda is correct. A metaphor only works if the premises are 1:1. The bootstrap metaphor is using a physical scenario in order to illustrate an abstract concept. However, the scenario isn't possible according to the laws of physics and therefore, the metaphor doesn't make any sense because you cannot equate it to the situation abstractly. If, physically, it were possible to pick yourself up by your bootstraps, the metaphor would hold water. I know you're a little lacking in brain cells, so please just do a little more reading on parts of speech. Abstract thinking is clearly not your strength.
the reason why this was so pleasant is because both sides have empathy for their previous positions. Also, there's always that voice inside that still agrees with your previous positions whether or not you no longer cognitively or intellectually agree with it.
As someone who has changed their beliefs drastically over the past decade, this is something that I have struggled with at times, as well as why I feel this might be one of the best episodes yet.
Not true, conservatives are psychologically incapable of feeling empathy
Yea except for Javen ofc
I didn't think about this. Yes, I feel they DID listen to each other & have more empathy etc. more than some people in some other episodes and maybe the reason you said is why, cos they DO have empathy for their previous positions.
Thanks for putting on these conversations! This is what we need in this country. We might not agree on everything but we can be civil and find common ground. All is not lost. ❤
I am so grateful that this is happening 🙏🏼 we are millions strong!! Those of us with beliefs in the MIDDLE GROUND. I got chills listening.
These people don't realise just HOW conservative Hunter used to be. Buddy had a revelation
no, he found a liberal girlfriend
You can kinda tell by his name lol
@@Zenith9132 it does not stop to amaze me, that the last pres election was between a dude whose sons are named Donald and Eric and a dude whose sons are called Hunter and Beau. If you knew none of them, i feel like theres no way youd correctly guess their party affiliation
Unironically saying "pick yourself up by your bootstraps" makes anything else you say largely irrelevant. Tough love is very important, but tough love is not the same as being completely hands off and letting people suffer needlessly.
Yep. Thankfully these days the original meaning of that phrase is coming back to cultural understanding.
It's literally an impossible task and worded that way. Kind of makes me want to see where that meaning flip flopped, who brought it about, and if it was intentional.
I agree, some people are born without any hypothetical “boot straps” to lift themselves up with (or would hands be better to say?). It’s our duty as a society to help people who need it, as it also helps us as a collective.
But the thing is Republicans back school choice, birthing centers, and have charites for widows and single mothers. Republicans are significantly more charitable than Liberals.
So we put our money where it counts.
@@jessycac6311you're still not understanding. The whole point is it doesn't matter if you have them or not, it's physically impossible to lift yourself up using them.
It’s definitely possible
This was a great episode. Nice comversation
This was very eye-opening. Thank you Jubilee for hosting this!
Javen needs help. You can tell he's been brainwashed and probably conversion therapy-ed. Hope someday he can come out and let go of the self-hatred and projection.
That’s most Gay republican, profoundly self hating, to the point of intense delusion.
YES I was just thinking that. As an atheist, he reminds me of other atheists who specifically have been hurt or traumatized by Christian Fundamentalism and go atheist to rebel against everything they were taught. He seems traumatized and hurt, not like he actually believes in what he’s saying. It’s like he’s TRYING to be contrarian. It’s sad.
he talks like he gota gun to his head fr
@@waha11ay4have u ever seen that video when dude say “I WANT U GUYS TO MEET MY WIFE FOR THE FIRST TIME” 😂
@waha11ay4 Yeah...you could literally hear his heart thumping through the mic while speaking near the end.
Javen is a true follower. I dont think he's formulated any of his own thoughts his entire life
Seriously, is there a single strawman he didn't regurgitate?
I don't think there was a single pulse of independent thought there breh.
Yes. That is exactly Hunter.
Why do you say this?
@@Shockkings0714because he doesn’t have a clue what he’s saying. just regurgitated takes he’s heard from everyone else in his life
Am I the only one who suspects Javen is a supressed homosexual? At the very least my Queerdar is screaming! "My conversion was very very very traumatic."
Did he have conversion therapy done on him?
Conservatives don’t get triggered. We are disgusted. Huge difference
Hunter was spot on about, both sides having tribalistic tendencies.
He has a CZcams channel btw hunter avallone
Except when the prompt of “Changing political sides was traumatic for me” came on - *every* former liberal stepped forward, whilst only 1 former conservative stepped forward (and she was the one raised in a weirdly religious family).
IMO, if both sides were equally tribalistic and cultish - then an even amount of people from *both* sides would have stepped forward on that prompt.
@amberjulia123 these are 4 peoples anecdotal experiences. You cannot use anecdotes with sample size this small to draw conclusions.
@@amberjulia123 Sampling bias. There's no way a group of 10 people can represent Americans equally. Even if what you're saying is true, it doesn't change the fact that the two party system is very polarizing. I'm sure hundreds of thousands or millions of both former Republicans and Democrats have had traumatic experiences switching sides. But saying one is side is worse at something than the other is very polarizing to both sides.
@@amberjulia123conformation bias. You can't see the full picture when the video only presents the expeirences of 8 people out of tens of thousands.
Also note that many of the people i Jubilee's videos are influencers and aren't picked randomly
the blonde girl who called pronouns delusional but 100% goes by she/her lmaoooo
would you say hey her or hey she? haha So she believes in the meaning of words. Maybe you do not comprehend what a pronoun is.
@@takentimes8903she doesn't know what a pronoun is and got called out about it 🤷🏽♂️
@@kinglouie9685 please define pronoun and how it is used with some example. thank you.
@@takentimes8903 I'm going to assume you're not braindead
Definition: a word that can function by itself as a noun phrase and that refers either to the participants in the discourse (e.g., I, you ) or to someone or something mentioned elsewhere in the discourse (e.g., she, it, this ).
I just used "you're", that's a pronoun. You also you used "you" multiple times.
As for the second part of that definition, "...mentioned elsewhere". we can easily say "Emily was a former liberal. She believe in this this and this. The group believed her when she said this".
It's not hard when you have a 2nd grade reading level.
@@jeffreychandler8418 A pronoun also refers to gender and there are 2 genders. And for you last sentence I believe you might have made to the 3rd grade and that is giving you the benefit of the doubt. if you reply I might change my mind and my pronoun for the night is king.
I really liked this group, very interesting povs
This was my favorite so far of all the middle ground episodes
Emily did contradict herself, when she said she would never cut someone off for their personal political beliefs, then proceeds to also say she would stay away from people who didn’t have the same political beliefs.
I’m pretty sure she just means that she’s not gonna cut any of her friends out but when it comes to new people it’s a little different
In theory, my beliefs and takes on politics agree with her, but she as a person strikes me as insufferable, attention seeking and annoying… which leads me to think that it is perfectly okay to disagree with someone on your political sphere, if they lack common sense it's game over.
Bingo. I caught that too.
She was contradicting herself on almost anything. She sits down and says one thing, then another person sits down and says something opposite of that and she says "oh yeah totalaayyy" 🙄 She's just a grifter. She acts like an AI chatbot - she will agree with anything as long as the interaction continues.
@@andyruiz5676yea thats how I interpreted her comment too
So refreshing to listen to a civil discussion as opposed to Blossom and Blaire.
Blossom and Blair, it sounds like a 90s sitcom 😂
blossom* only 👀
@@samj5183 HAHAHA
Those two together was brutal
@@samj5183blosson *testosterone* kick in thats y
this was a nice discussion
This was such a great conversation. Thank you for all of the participants who shared their opinions. I definitely enjoyed questioning my beliefs and reinforcing some others.
There is always that one participant that talks wherever a second of silence lingers. And today it's Emily. She talked for about 80% of the air time, while adding the least to the conversations. So weird.
She’s the worst
Shes delusional - I could tell within 2 questions that she was going to have some CRAZY talking points. Nothing she said added to the conversation, and for someone who thinks liberals are "too emotional", she certainly spoke about how she "feels" a lot - she doesn't have any factual basis for her beliefs. Heck she doesn't even know WHAT a pronoun is, she just knows she doesn't like them.
Conservatives are all toddlers throwing their toys out of the pram because they think they're being told what to do - they don't want to educate themselves, they just want to get their own way. Its so embarrassing.
There's a lot of editing in these videos, I found her funny and refreshing.
@@user-yp9iu2qy9wshe's just annoying 😭
Actually Emily is in the best position of all these guests. She has a middle ground mindset. I understand why you're saying that tho. But the few things she added were powerful. I'm sure most people would agree with you tho
I love this group. No one was talking over each other had respect for each other's opinion
Emily literally doesn't understand pronouns.
Ze zim zerrrrrrre
From now on refer me to as invader zim 😂😂😂
@@ethandollarhide7943 Or what "ironically" means. She just throws it in wherever.
@@triple_gem_shining Ok.
Very interesting video. I think it’s a bummer that the moderator sometimes wants to „pull it back“. I get that that’s what moderators do in discussions but they always choose moments where the participants really start to get into it.
I think Javen is the side of conservatives that I don't agree with. He doesn't seem to want to see that he or his "side" could be wrong and continues to justify his own viewpoint. I think he did this more than the other panelists.
that boy has issues, someone needs to check up on him
He needs help... he is obviously gay and he's black yet he is against both 😅
@@aaq1655he's not against blacks lool wat
@@aaq1655lol what. How is he against both? Also no one is required to support these things..nor should they.
@@aaq1655 He's not even black, he's mixed. He may be partially black but you can almost see all of his identities warring inside of his head.
I’d love to also see another liberal vs conservative but this time with a couple people from each generation (gen Z, millennials, gen x, and baby boomers). I think a lot of interesting points could be brought up with a diverse age group who have lived through many different experiences!
This! 100% agree!
YES!!!
Gen Z Conservative versus Boomer Liberals would be FASCINATING
@@Bruncleboxtopthey've done that before already
Ive noticed they do tend to leave out gen x in most extreme opposite episodes.
It seems like its always boomers vs zoomers.
What i wish about debates is that the correct party would openly acknowledge the disagreeing parties complaints. I think we could get alot further in discussion if people would start openly acknowledging and repeating back that they understand the opposing teams argument, and then lead into why thats not enough.
This was extremely well done, all of them had great talks.
So cool to see Hunter Avallone here. I’ve loved seeing his political glow up. Usually these feel so lopsided with Daily Wire media-trained people on the R side, random college students on the L side.
Lmfao glow up..dude went for having common sense to pretending men can get pregnant and being a huge loser pandering to the most unhinged takes on the internet.
Hunter is a cuckhold
Sucks that they cut out literally everything he said though
@@BarryStanton1488he definitely seemed healthier then. But now he's definitely more genuine and not a character anymore for better or worse
Hunter seemed douchey
Javen reminds me of a guy I used to work with. Grew up very religious (Christian) and was always espousing those beliefs until he met an Imam and fully converted to Islam. Then later he started hanging with a more liberal group and abandoned religion and became pro-LGBT etc. He was just so easily influenced, his entire life philosophy became based on whatever direction someone else steered him in.
lol
Look in the mirror
People change, bro 😎 Don’t hate on another person’s evolution because of the degree or volume of change, unless you truly understand their reasons
Let’s be more compassionate as a society
@@TruantAll Wasn’t hating, just an observation. I got to know him very well and the point still stands. He can live his life as he sees fit.
agree 100% definitely very easily persuaded
Can’t upvote this enough! Well done to everyone who spoke
This is the most constructive middle ground discussion I’ve ever watched 🎉