Skyward Sword + Breath of the Wild Review - The Building Blocks of the Next Zelda
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- čas přidán 23. 01. 2019
- A comparison of the last two console Zeldas and what the next entry should learn from them (in one giant dork's opinion)
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Skyward Sword was emulated at 4x native resolution in Dolphin
Breath of the Wild was captured from Switch - Hry
after seeing skyward sword get shit on so passionately for 8 years, it's extremely refreshing to see someone actually analyze the things it did right. I know the game is very flawed, but I enjoyed it.
Skyward Sword controlled fine for me. I didn't like the segmented world nor the empty sky, but overall it was one of my favorite Wii games.
I really liked Skyward Sword's dungeons and I actually liked revisiting the areas to find new mechanics (gimmicks) to explore the area further. Like the forest becoming flooded, sailing on the open sea with the time stones and the spirit trials were a lot of fun.
I didn't like it. I was confused with all the praise when it came out. I didn't know it has been getting shat on for the past 8 yrs
@@David-bc4hh I mostly got positive reviews when it came out. I thought it was weak for a Zelda game, but Zelda games tend to be so damn good that even a weaker game was still a good game. So good that in 2011 it was probably still my favorite game of the year, a toss up between SS and Skyrim.
@@hepwo91222 it was weak for a Zelda game true. I just couldn't get in to it. It was a gut through for me mabe it was the controls, I don't know I can't put my finger on it. Skyrim however I was shocked of how balls deep I got into that one.
Alcoholic Link was one of the funniest things I've seen in a long time
Alcoholink*
You profile picture is acoholic link.
Huh, no wonder I found that segment so funny then.
@@pinecone5551 lmao
Link - "Bruh... try this Deku Green..."
Groose - "No one takes as big of bong rips as the Groosenator!"
Link - "Hah, nice hair."
@@natty3738 No, he's coffeholic.
4:24
Audio:
"Skyward Sword fell far short of this."
Captions:
"Skyward Sword somehow fucked this up."
I chuckled.
I think the captions is his script, which is why if isn't 1 to 1. Great either way.
I love skyward sword, but i agree with that closed caption at times
Time stamp pls
@@ThunderLord-fq7rk4:22
You almost summarized BOTW's story, but allow me to do it some justice.
"Gee -- it sure is dead around here!"
"My boi! This desolation is what all true warriors strive for! -- now fuck around until Hyrule is saved."
Underrated comment.
*MAH BOI*
Imagine if we fought like cursed versions of the Champions instead of the blights...
that would be epic
Spoiler for the dlc:
Or at least they should've added this in the ballad of the champions dlc instead of fighting the SAME bloody ganon blights
@@odingerke1463 yeah I totally agree
That would honestly be awesome.
HECC YEA
I've been saying to my friends for a while now that the BotW sequel needs to be "Majora's Mask-ized":
- reuse the core engine and assets to spend the time on more important things
- cut down on the world's size, while increasing the density of content
- create more sidequests and interesting characters
- add new fun ways to explore or travel
- increase the variety of enemies, and make them specific to different locations
- make it weird, memorable, and unique
It's nice to see that I'm not alone in these thoughts
I really don't want all the Zelda games to be like BOTW from now on. If they made a "____ of the Wild" spinoff series I won't mind but I really prefer the regular Zelda games in every aspect.
Wow I just finished posting a response with this same idea. Glad to see someone else is thinking along the same lines!
After playing BOTW and sticking solely to the story and finishing it in 4 days compared to the month it took on my first playthrough with exploration my first priority, I agree. You take away the exploration and sidequests and it is very sparse and disjointed story-wise. The Champion Descendants don't leave enough time for you to develop emotions for them (maybe except Sidon) and the fact that they don't accompany you into the Beasts themselves is a wasted opportunity.
On another note, I have severe motor coordination issues and due to BOTW's love of motion controls, I can't complete the Champion's Ballad. So I hope they don't bring back mandatory gyroscope puzzles.
I love BOTW, but that doesn't mean that I can't see its flaws
Just said the same thing to my brother, koroc seeds/towers are based on the world being to big to explore, more items like Majora so that the basic puzzles can be solved with quirky extras AND built around basic skills. Majora's masks generally only had a single use but the content they accessed made collecting them feel like part of, not an aside, to the open world.
@@RightEyeRaptor can you not turn the motion off?
"There's been some rumbling about Skyward Sword HD coming to Switch, but the controls would be worse without a bar to recalibrate" well... we got even better than that
They backed down from their bs claim?
@KingInTheNorth i definitely do understand that it’s not great, but they can’t fundamentally change the fact this was meant for motion controls. right stick controls will def suck balls but they can’t change the angle-based combat.
@@natelover3000 also 60 dollars for a wii game in 2021 when you can argue the horrible 3ds all stars is a better deal. they should of packed in skyward sword with two other zelda games to give the illusion of value, instead of just shitting on us.
@@ryelo5448nah yea totally, i feel like at this point they’re just testing it out to see how terrible they can make the games and still price them full price, but the controls were kind of inevitable
@@natelover3000 yeah the controls were, but man is this sad
5:17 that box art is nearly spot on with what the switch boxart actually looks look
Nobody else is commenting on that and I think that's wild
That's because that art existed already. It was used for the European release of Skyward Sword from Jan 2012 onwards if I remember correctly. They've just crushed it into the format of a Switch box
My copy for the Wii has this cover. Plus a stupid sticker with a score from a videogame magazine which ruins it a bit :)
it’s the icon
@@drakemayhugh3749 looks look
"The Zelda series has a history of taking fan feedback to heart and overcorrecting" is pretty damn accurate.
@OMEGGA You mean, not listening at all? XD let's seek balance!
@OMEGGA But thanos was an extremist seeking balance... i mean, he was seeking balance... in extreme...
@OMEGGA extremely balanced e.e too much balance is lack of balance in balance
@OMEGGA Try to balance "Balance" and "Extreme" as concepts... it's imposible, if you extremely seek balance you may break yourself XD it's good to have a bit of both
Yeah. The trend started with the backlash against the art style of TWW, and it's been like that ever since.
"Majora's Mask only had four dungeons and it's objectively the best game ever made and has tingle in it."
This one got me. Best line of a video ever
I think he might've said "and is subjectively the best game ever made and has tingle in it." which would make more sense given he's not super polar about rating the games over each other.
@@ReadCS That's exactly what he said
Blaxe Frost 6:20 It’s actually impossible to tell based on just hearing it since “is subjectively” sounds exactly the same as “is objectively” when said the way that he said it. However, if he made the english captions then that confirms he said “objectively”. Plus it’ll just make more sense considering it’s a joke.
I very clearly hear subjective there, 2 S's
A Hat I don’t, and it makes more sense for him to say “objectively” given the context.
Watching this after TOTK dropped the ball makes me wish the oldhead devs weren't so out of touch with what made older Zelda games so loved, especially after that recent Eiji Aonuma interview and the "Somehow the Sheikah tech disappeared" debacle.
Just hearing, "Link, fuck around until Hyrule is saved." brought me to tears
best part of the video
I refuse to accept any scoring scale other than Twerking Tingles from now on.
I love how it's not on a fixed scale. You can give as many twerking Tingles as you please which is really freeing
I'm twerking Tingle tight now
plague knight, did mona leave you for tingle?
lol
the whiplash of a serious thread of points followed by that hit like a truck
Damn I had no idea people disliked skyward sword so much. I remember enjoying the hell out of it.
Thanks Jerry
For me, it was mostly because the swordplay made the game unplayable for me.
watch game grumps play it, Arin rips it a new one at least once per episode, he really hates the 3D Zelda formula and Skyword Sword most of all
Quinn Marchese well he needs to calm down. Skyward Sword is awesome
I read this in Jerry's voice
Well it looks like Nintendo took your feedback to heart, and instead of staying away from skyward sword at all cost, they're re-releasing it for 60 dollars, how wonderful!
If the re-release doesn't include a left-handed mode, then I'm not buying it; just like I didn't buy the original Skyward Sword.
EDIT: Well, it doesn't have a left-handed mode, so once again, I'm not buying it.
@@matthewmuir8884 It doesn’t but more importantly it includes a new control scheme that doesn’t require motion controls at all, which is a plus in my mind because the motion controls didn’t really add anything to the game as they were too simplistic.
@@rustyshackleford4117 I know about the stick controls, and I honestly don't care about it.
For me, it's a simple matter of accessibility and consideration; both Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks on the DS had left-handed modes for the touchscreen controls, yet Skyward Sword, despite having five years of development, didn't, and neither does this re-release.
@@matthewmuir8884 I think it’s good that there’s no left handed mode, since it discourages people from being left handed, which is generally a burden to society
@@thatonehumanoid7756 …You'd better be joking.
This video is still relevant because Tears of the Kingdom didn't fix any of the biggest issues with Breath of the Wild.
That segment with link drinking alcohol and rolling into walls was on point
Skyward Sword perfected dungeons but the dungeons leaked into the overworld too much
Breath of the Wild perfected the open world but the open world leaked into the dungeons too much
Oh no! There's a leak in my system!
SS: Good Music, Good Story, Good Dungeons, Bad Overworld, Bad Mechanics, Bad...?
BotW: Bad Story, Bad Dungeons, Good Overworld, Good Mechanics!
Yeah, perfectly balanced if put together
My hope: Breath of the Wild 2... Good Music, Good Story, Good Dungeons, Same Good Overworld, Same Good Mechanics
@@BlaxeFrost-X BotW story isn't bad per say. It's very simple and similar to most Zelda games. Presentation is the issue.
SS Mechanics are not bad. None of them are. The most offensive would be the Gyro control, but even that isn't bad, just not good. Everything else is really solid, from the stamina, repair and upgrade system, amazing Hero mode (unlike the dumpster fire that BotW DLC is) because it just works perfectly with the game structure (like the potion system, or having campfi... I mean chairs to sit and heal in the world).
@@claire6452 agreed, i just polarized it via ignoring details
honestly,botws motioncontrols are much,much worse than ss motioncontrols. thank god they were only used for like 3 or 4 shrines.
The fact that Aonuma had to point out how "different" skyward sword is compared to breath of the wild almost in an apologetic way worries me a bit, breath of the wild brought legions of new fans and unprecedented popularity to sales ratio to the zelda franchise, I think they are releasing skyward sword HD precisely to see if the new audience is receptive of the old school formula and ideas before they trash them altogheter.
Everybody buy SS quick 😫
If it is Twilight Princess HD for 60 dollars and a reorchestrated soundtrack with more content than the original, the price is worth it.
Skyward Sword is dogsh*t as a game compared to Ocarina of Time and Twilight Princess, the port for the Switch is also garbage, basically Dolphin emulator at 1080p with a 60fps patch for the Switch but weird lighting and texturing oversights...
@@saricubra2867 Twilight Princess isn't worth the $60. That game is the biggest travesty of a Zelda and one of the worst games Nintendo has ever released.
Damn, it's as if the Zelda design team watched the last minute of this video, memorized every word you said, and said, "alright gang, let's make a game exactly the opposite of what Nerrel said!" Except, you know, in Japanese.
Regarding rain: I think the most hilarious and damning thing about BOTW is that a loading screen tip recommends that when it rains, you simply wait it out to continue exploring. The game itself literally recommends that the best way to overcome some of its randomly timed events is to stop playing the game lmao
Well, you are supposed to take a break every once in a while when you play video games.
@@shadedepeche2556
You're trying to justify breath of the wild not letting you play the breath of the wild.
Naruto Best Anime I repeat, you are supposed to take a break every once in a while when playing video games.
I’m not really justifying BOTW stopping you from playing the game, I’m saying that most games give a warning that you should stop and take a break. Besides, it’s not like you can’t pick up and play the game later on.
@@shadedepeche2556 what if you just started playing and it rains "oh well guess I have to wait another 20 minutes"
Politically Correct Wait, that can happen?
It always bugged me that people believed botw could do no wrong or that ss was irredeemably trash. Nice to see a video with a more differentiated opinion.
That was a lot of the public right after skyward was released, people saying it dethroned oot and that it was like the the first game in the series in 3d. I think it's a normal part of the zelda cycle
@@emolovetree isnt it a reverse zelda cycle now? Botw and ss both were considered 10/10 until everyone realized their flaws afterwards.
@@Distress. it could be though an alternative explanation is that WW was an outlier and reversed the normal cycle. Though MM wasnt an instant so maybe the cycle is always the same just which direction it goes changes?
Welcome to a fanbase of oversensitive nerds
Honestly people are very critical of BOTW after the first few months of its release. Lack of enemy variety, weapon durability, too much empty space, poor story, not enough incentives to explore the world (heavily disagree), etc. Oh and Yiga Clan's hideout. It was alright, but did they have to force a stealth section in a Zelda game again?! It's not flawless for sure, but personally the pros outweigh the cons. Although weapon breaking coupled with a small inventory is annoying!
It's weird but kinda fitting that BOTW's story is more comparible to the original NES game than it is to Skyward Sword:
You're the hero elf boy and that's the evil pig man. Save the princess who wields a triangle.
But then why are there all these cutscenes?
It's sad that the level of storytelling in a game actually trying to tell a story is comparable to its 30 year old predecessor that wasn't really trying
“Half the sales of Twilight Princess”: I think that also has a lot to do with the late release in the Wii’s lifespan.
In 2007, I bought a Wii with Twilight Princess, like so many other people. By the time Skyward Sword released in 2011 I wasn’t using my Wii anymore and I didn’t follow the news about upcoming games. I was playing 360!
It was more a problem with the Wii having a lot of casuals buy it. Meanwhile the PS4 has God War of War and the last of us coming it in its last couple years and they sell like hot cakes.
The Switch will be like the PS4 in that regard since it focuses on the games, not on the casuals so much.
@@therealsploge tbd, the Switch is still by far the most casual console on the market and lacks both competitive games and titles that cater to people who want more than "wahooo" from their gameplay.
3rd party devs are finally releasing interesting titles on the Switch within the next 2ish years though so that might help. Otherwise the Switch is solely for Nintendo fans who are generally uncritical casuals.
Bitch i bought my wii in 2012
Also the fact that by 2011 everyone and their mom had a soft-modded Wii and stopped needing to pay for games when they could just be copied to a usb flash drive or external hard drive. At least that’s what I did, don’t judge me I was a very poor college student back then 😆
The switch seems to suffer from similar issues as the wii.
Nintendo seems to not understand wether they want to appeal to casuals or hardcore gamers.
It doomed the wii in the long run, killed the Wii U almost immediately. It’ll doom the switch too. And at this point it seems too late. I’m just gonna wait to see what happens with their next console in a few years. Hope it doesn’t get screwed by indecisiveness on the part of the developers.
The dungeons in BOTW were my biggest complaint. I hope they bring back the traditional dungeon system in the future.
I agree. While I liked the dungeon/shines puzzles in botw they needed to feel special and different. They all have the same style
120 Shrines/4 dungeons is superior to what between 4-12+ dungrons in most other Zelda games?
@@hepwo91222 quality>quantity
@@LeonTheSp00ky I would normally agree, but I feel like in BotW the sidequests were finding and beating the 120 shrines, which was addicting exploring a rich open world better than any open world game I have ever played.where Skyward Sword did have more in depth dungeons and some exploration to get to them, but the whole game had a compartmentalized feeling, not much for exploration.
@@hepwo91222 "rich open world"
That's not how you spell "blatant copy paste content".
Seeing the Breath of the Wild 2 trailer, I appreciate Calamity Ganon a lot more considering it was just a phantom made from Ganondorf
Phantom Ganon got promoted to final boss for his long service.
I feel like BOTW is supposed to be a hard reset for the timeline. They didn't set it any of the three established timelines because they intentionally made it pointless to put it into any of the established timelines. It's been 10,100 years since the last heroic cycle.
Noo... just... no..
Wade nah.. it was still trash just like every other boss in BOTW
@@lgmmrm This might be pretty accurate, I like it. Like the original, Ganon is a very simple depiction of evil in Botw, then Botw 2 might grab the resurrection aspect from Zelda II and the characterized Ganon from A link to the past.
I would love to see Koloktos reimagined as a boss in the Breath of the Wild style. Imagine taking his swords, beating each limb with them until they shatter, and if you use different weapons instead, you're rewarded with being able to take one or two of Koloktos' own swords with you on your journey.
Not insanely related, but Nerrel also had a very good suggestion with the breaking mechanics. Only make the swords/weapons get damaged when an enemy blocks it. He got this from the player not timing the shield right, but that would make the durability mechanics far more interesting and encourage skillful play
@@HonsHonWith how ToTK works, they can also make it so that weapons don't break at all, but the materials you attach break instead. They can also make it so that each unique weapon has some unique effect that happens when fused (weapons that share a theme, like all gerudo weapons can share their effect between themselves). This would still make it desirable to use different weapons.
Or, the easiest laziest most foolproof option: triple or quadruple durability for each weapon
And then those swords would break lol
@@divinecomedian2 if it was totk you could always rematch and get them again. I wouldn't say having to rematch a fun boss is a bad idea
nerrel: "skyward sword fell far short of this."
subtitles: skyward sword somehow fucked this up.
lol
"In BOTW it's like a team of scientists engineered the precise opposite of that feeling in a lab."
Oh my God, lmfao.
thats how i felt flurry rushing everytime i dodge. i miss the fast paced sword play with more moves and animation. shit even just taking out flurry rush would make it better. I hope the sequeal uses a sword skill formula like twilight princess. Would help add that sense of progression botw lacks
@@m9imgr7 agreed. Mcflurry rushing is cool for the first couple of hours but after that you realise that the timing is completely broken and is far too easily exploitable.
Personally I'd like to see a combat system in botw 2 that is akin to most open world games with sword fighting (for example ghost of tsushima) while still keeping the elements that worked in botw. Also enemy variety needs to be way way waaaaay better.
@@jimit.4220 have you ever played nioh 2? I think ghost of tsushima was a weird version of that games combat, but that would be cool. I wouldn't mind flurry rush if it was like a 1 frame perfect dodge that you would have to master to use or make it an option in the menu u can turn off
@@m9imgr7 no I've not played nioh 2, nor ghost. I'm mainly talking about the parry, dodge, light and heavy attacks system. Maybe multiple fighting stances
@@jimit.4220 I think they should learn from shadow of the colossus too. Some large scale battles climbing on the monsters and shit would be sweet
I kinda love the Zelda series for how different each game feels. While similar in concept, their execution always has a different focus.
Exactly man.
Kai I couldn't describe my love for Zelda any better
Wow, this is a pretty thorough examination of both games, calling out both their strengths and weaknesses. I appreciate this a lot! Makes me appreciate Skyward Sword even more.
My thoughts exacly.
Skyward Sword: Man, these dungeons are great but the exploration is lacking.
Breath of the Wild: Man, this exploration is great but the dungeons are lacking.
"Luckily Link is NOT an alcoholic"
I'm crying.
Your Next Line is *Chateau Romani
There, there.
I have been saying this since BotW came out.
BotW(Overworld+Gameplay) + SS(Story+Dungeons)= Best Zelda Game
But TP dungeons are better.
And many aspect from SS gameplay (anything that isn't about swinging the weapon around) are better than BotW.
"But muh paraglide and climbing" , that's because of the size of the world. Neither would make any sense in a game with SS structure, that's simply not a thing to account for. If BotW2 ends up being massive again, they will return, if it's not, they won't, and that all there is to it.
But everything else SS did? Upgrading anything? Repairing anything? Having a limited number of potions you can carry to heal before having to restock instead of the infinite amount of healing item you can carry? A really simple but amazing Hero mode? All better than BotW.
YES
i would honestly prefer skyward swords level of atmosphere with mms complexity. and well,if the scale is the problem with dungoens,just make it bigger. as long as size is not used as a replacement for quality and instead is scaled to let the quality shine the most,then it is fine
I preferred the Twilight Princess dungeons to those of skyward sword. Like, why does SS have two fire dungeons? Why do so many of them look orange?
Majora's mask dungeons are the best.
3:18
I'm going to have to disagree with this.
My opinion of Skyward sword had definitely gotten better since Breath of the Wild.
In fact, it's breath of the wild's greatest fault that shows skyward sword's greatest strength: well designed dungeons (and the lack thereof)
Completing a divine beast felt as satisfying as beating a mini dungeon like the bottom of the well which says something about how unfinished they feel
@@calc8999 Honestly, The Bottom of the well was satisfying for me....That holes and the low heart
@Aaron I agree with this. It seems the focus of botw was more on the geography and the exploration rather than the actual substance of hyrule. Also, MM is the complete opposite in this aspect where there is substantial content shoved into much smaller areas. Hopefully, they pick up on this issue during the development of botw2.
This is random but i have to say this....FUCK the goddamn motion control shrines when ur on a switch lite, it is hell
Yeah god tier music in skyward sword vs perma snoozers in botw. And the dungeons and characters. Botw lacked all of this.
Something i hope for in the sequel is also the return of a charming cast of secondary characters. Sidon was only ever really popular because there really isn't anyone interesting in the game aside from characters who are already dead
No it's because he's sexy
@@diccchocolate416indeed.
@@diccchocolate416
He has a tall upper body and like tiny ah legs.
He’s more goofy. Looks like Johnny Bravo but as a fish man
@@HoseB932 Johnny Bravo is sexy as well
@@diccchocolate416
Every man should strive to be like Johnny
"Majora's Mask only had 4 dungeons, and it's subjectively the best game ever and had Tingle in it."
Wow my dude. That's hilarious.
Yeah, BOTW only has "Tingel" Island... that's not how you spell his name, game
He said objectively
@@BB_Promoter because it's true!
like how this video isn’t just another “skyward sword bad, breathing of the wild good”
I think that both of the games are really good and both have their ups and downs, but Botw is definitely a better game in comparison to Skyward Sword.
Troy Uher I fail to see how, a very bland, empty lifeless feeling open world is quite boring, nothing about the game outshines anything else in the franchise but the open world
ObviousBaitAccount it’s just preference and different opinions. I absolutely love botw and it’s one of my favorite game in the series. However, I could definitely see why some might dislike it, and agree with some of it sometimes. I like the open world, the exploration, always having something to do, a large overworld that’s filled with content, and the refreshing feeling of being able to do whatever you want whenever you want. However, I know why some people don’t like it. I could see people disliking it because most of your time is spent on a horse traveling to your destination, only a few main story points, then beating abhorrently easy bosses, with only one being well designed around the game’s combat. The story is definitely lacking, with most of it being cutscenes that wouldn’t leave you confused at the end if you skipped them. Story that actually happens in the present is just dialogue and then a couple of quests then boss fights. I love this game, but I admit it has weak points
@@mbccgliczsdnm7627 did you really make a paragraph responding to someone named, Obvious Bait Account?
Some guy bruh
I can easily say that Skyward Sword despite all of it's flaws managed to be such an immersive and magical experience for me.
Same. That probably also came from SS being my first Zelda that I experienced firsthand
It was amazing at the time, but it still felt disconnected from the whole. And the controls...
@@filipecomimesmo at the time? This game released in 2011 and I played it in 2019. That was far away from the hype period.
@@They_are_Arthur I'm not doubting your magical time with the game, I'm stating that if you look beyond it you can see it really is broken in pieces. Yet, the game is so good at making us immerse in its universe that we barely notice it. I love SS too, but there are reasons there I prefer MM over OoT, for example, and it is mostly exploration, sidestories and replayability.
@@filipecomimesmo That's what every game ever does, SS just makes a bit more noticeable.
Watching this after the last nintendo direct makes me wonder if Nintendo is giving us skyward sword HD as a way to show that they listened to the feedback about Breath of the Wild and are intending on giving us some more of the old zelda things or if it's kinda of a way for them to make BoTW 2 exactly like the first one and use skyward sword as an excuse like: "oh you have an old styled zelda game to play now if you don't like the direction the new games are going".
I do hope that the HD version of SS is just a nod to us to say they heard what the fans said about breath of the wild.
Same here. That being said it's hard to tell if Nintendo's executives mess with the Devs or not these days Post-Iwata tho I do think they'll let BotW 2 be the best it can be considering the time it's been given and the success of the last game.
SS is one of the worst selling games in the series, it also received the most amount of negative feedback. Botw is easily the best selling game in the series, and hasn’t received nearly as much negative feedback....
Basically, they’re not going to change the direction of one of their biggest franchises for the sake of a minority group of fans.
@@TheAlibabatree yea, they won’t change because of SS, but that isn’t to say they won’t listen to feedback. BotW’s lack of Zelda story/dungeons and general Zelda-ness is the most common criticism of that game. I hope they listen because if they listen at all, that is what they would have heard at this point.
I think you're reading way too much into this. SS HD is not a grand statement, just like the other remasters weren't. They knew they basically had to acknowledge the Zelda anniversary in some way, but BotW 2 is seemingly far from finished, and SS was the only 3D Zelda that hasn't gotten a remaster yet. So just add 2 and 2 together.
It's also a super low-effort way to make tons of money because Nintendo fans are willing to pay full price for an upscaled 10-year-old game, so it's a brilliant business decision.
@@jacksobrooks Didn't Aonuma already say that they were looking at putting more involved dungeons in the sequel? A part of me feels that the development team themselves knew that the Divine Beasts weren't as good as they should've been. Their entire construction feels slap-dash, like the dev team needed to hit a late 2016-early 2017 deadline and created a bunch of modular Sheikah assets in order to put them together as quickly as possible.
_"link! f*** around until the world is saved!"_
↑⇑↑⇑↑⇑
This killed me.
I agree with the majority of the review. In fact, some complaints you mentioned are ones that I had but couldn't quite articulate into words. However, I disagree with BOTW puzzles being solved in a way that "doesn't feel right" leads to a feeling of dissatisfaction. I feel like puzzles should have more than one correct answer. Finding a solution that even the developers hadn't envisioned makes the game feel more realistic. How many times do you come across a real life scenario that only has one solution? I would argue that this mechanic is one of the reasons BOTW is such a great game. Portal did the same with it's puzzles and its become arguably the best puzzle game out there.
I agree that the fact that no puzzle has 1 definite solution makes it great, but when so many puzzles are copied and pasted but slightly altered in the world. It makes the game feel watered down. To the point where i felt like i was play windwaker and just exploring the ocean instead of the islands.
I once invested a ton of materials and tools to kill a literal horde of silver/black lizalfos in the desert and i got 5 fuckin lightning arrows. Like wtf. I already am not satisfied just fighting the same bases of the same enemies all over the world. Shouldnt i get some cool loot for doing it at the very least? Not to mention loot that is literally worth LESS than what I had to invest? Some of the puzzles are pretty great, but the risk vs reward was WAY off.
I think you have the right idea. But realistic is not na inherently good characteristic.
Maybe it had multiple solution and that is realistic but its a game. 5 boring solutions = a boring puzzle and a boring part of the game.
Portal was designed so it really did have pretty much 1 proper solution and others were quite difficult to find, botw's alternative solutions are often easier and negate any fun to be had.
@@THEM0J0MAN I wouldn't say it negates the fun. For me it's pretty fun to find my own solutions instead of only having one since you can make it a different experience every time you play it and it doesn't feel as scripted as past zeldas. My only problem with this approach is that it makes them all too easy to complete since there aren't enough considerations made to the possibilities of what the player could do. I think a good compromise would be to have some dungeons where you have to follow it's structure and you're more limited but others let you do what you want in order to solve it.
It's something that I really want nintendo to work on since I always thought one of zelda's biggest weaknesses was that it was so focused on puzzle based dungeons even though they lose a lot of their magic when you know the solution already. All of the fun happens mostly outside of the dungeons so I want that to expand into those too.
Yeah the concept of solving a puzzle the "wrong" way in BotW is antithetical to the entire game's concept.
-dramatic echo voice effect
*”LINK! Fuck around until Hyrule is saved!*
i laughed out loud that is great stuff
Perfect Zelda for me : BOTW open World + More "true" Dungeons with varied bosses + Less blue/pink robotic Monsters and more heroic fantasy like in 64 episodes.
heroic fantasy 64 episodes? what do you mean? also what "pink" robotic monsters are there?
@@jaydenc367 he talks about the guardians
@@doomslayer8985 I mean.... I guess you could say the color they glow is sort of pink.
I have to say that I really like the guardians and I hope we see other versions of them in the sequel.
“Link, f*ck around until Hyrule is saved.” Killed me! 😂
“Majora’s Mask only had 4 dungeons and it’s objectively the best game ever made and has Tingle in it.”
Truer words were never spoken
Wow this is the best video on both of these games I’ve seen, showing both strengths and weakness’ as well as what needs to happen in the future
Guess whose video aged like the finest wine?
Rapidly becoming one of my favourite youtubers. Your videos are so well pondered and thoughtfully put. Always a pleasure sir.
well pondered, sir!
I smell Sh*#e
@@redeemer66666 haha I kinda asked for that one.
Darkstar Dayne haha
"You never feel more heroic than when saving a random character from harm."
I can't even fully express how much I agree with this!
Or when Link finally shows a glimpse of emotion when interacting with a goofy npc. Man, I wish they showed his emotions on cutscenes
@@victorhugocosta1127 I'm replaying wind waker, and I wish all Links would has as much expression as toon link.
@@victorhugocosta1127 He's not expressive because he feels the pressures of being an appointed knight. Iirc, in zelda's diary it explains that that's also why link barely talks.
@@link-kun5974 twilight link was pretty good with expressions.
And SS Link too!
I've never seen a video that put into words the opinions and thoughts I struggle to even fully render in my head so well. The best way I could put my thoughts into words until now was "I like Skyward sword because it made me feel like I was on an actual adventure" but now when people ask me I can just sent them this video!
Thank you for this review. Among my friends, I felt so out of place because they treated Breath of the Wild as this perfect thing, and I had my criticisms (Pretty much everything you thing you said with a couple more things) and I just got bashed for it, but I still love the game I've poured countless hours into it like many others. I felt even weirder when I found myself returning to skyward sword a few times despite knowing it's flaws. Watching this video make me comfortable knowing I'm not the only one. While a game is great; doesn't mean it's perfect. And while a game has it's problems, doesn't mean everything it tried to do was bad.
I miss the item unlocks in dungeons. I hope the next mainline entry can bring back huge uniquely themed dungeons and items while keeping the physics driven overworld that is so highly praised. On paper, all they have to do is blend these few things that have been done well in previous titles.
yes please, do this nintendo.
i think nintendo had a few creativity problems in botw. instead of making more unique overworld bosses,they just had 5,2 of them just elemental versions of our stonebois. and having items does not mean restrictions. if they just had secondary options for the insanely creative,then itembased stuff could have worked in any dungeonorder
15:20 "With voice acting so robotic, it sounds like l could've delivered it"
Damn, uhh, self roast?
Fijiboy99 hmmmst
Kamikaze
ooh a self burn, those are rare!
This is why we are here, right? A huge Dork reviewing games with quips and can take the heat when he dishes it lol.
Lmao I legit thought it was the Zora voice actor at first
You know skyward sword has good story telling when they make an easily hated character like Fi exist but then somehow make you sad that they died. Not to mention groose who literally had the best character development in the entire Zelda series and earned becoming a fan favorite character
10:03 “or set up a campfire... oh”
I don’t know why but I lost it here. 🤣
Man, I love Skyward Sword. I don't remember it in a bad way, and I loved Fi (even when my batteries were low) the story was so good and dungeons so nice.
Breath of the wild is cool.
Skyward Sword is good, but a lot of people throw a lot of shade at it. It is definitely the most flawed though.
I absolutely love Skyward Sword. I know it gets a lot of criticisms, and rightfully so, but it’s still a great game in my eyes
Just look past the Wii Motion problems and everything bad is dismissible
Master...
YoUR wii ReMOTe bATTeRies ArE RUnnING LoW
Same
"Link... fuck around until Hyrule is saved."
Lmaoooo
Does link even get to play an instrument in botw?
No he doesn't.
In an official art for a Zelda Music thingy he uses an accordion, does that count?
Wolf Pack 79 not rly cos u can't play it in the game
@@RinZDR he killed Kass and stole his accordian.
What does it matter?
Seen this video at least 8 times now. So good, so smart, and your delivery about the emotional and dramatic elements necessary for a proper Zelda always choke me up. I've also noticed the captions don't always line up with what you're actually saying! lol, are they like, the beta version of your script? That's a valuable piece of CZcams insider history right there!
This is the best Skyward Sword analysis I've ever seen. I agree wholeheartedly. I really hope to see more traditional Zelda dungeons with memorable themes in the next game.
We won't sadly. The new games were too popular.
I love the atmosphere of the BoTW soundtrack. I will defend it everytime people argue for an overworld theme.
Now, however, I think using another instrument for regional differences will be nice. A more characteristic music will be a better alternative between minimalism and bombastic theme.
The impressionistic soundtrack should stay the same, but using more instrument variety to seperate mountain from grasslands, dessert from rainforests.
For example, added drums in dessert area, flute for forests, bass clarinet for snow areas...etc.
Anyway, thank you for another great video! It always led me to think about games I love more critically. Thinking about the details always made remember the times I have with a video game.
The overworld music is actually different for very hot or very cold areas.
I agree with this idea. There are some very slight differences between regions but they’re so subtle it’s barely noticeable. A bit more ambient variety and themes would go a long way. The lost woods theme for example is one of the few parts in this game where the music really stands out, as it perfectly captures the spookiness of confusing a strange place while playing homage to earlier renditions from previous titles. Would love to see specific tracks play during certain events, quests, or weather while still exploring the overworld.
I enjoyed Breath of the Wild, but it definitely could’ve used overworld music. It’s not like it would have to be one track. Like some other open world games, they could‘ve made it so that multiple different tracks can play in all areas of the overworld.
I would like an option to have either
I mean some areas are different, like the snowy areas, death mountain and the desert. The usual piano jingle we hear normally plays in temperate areas
I played about 3 hours of BotW and could not play it anymore. I’m old and don’t like all the change. I like my Zelda linear with a fair amount of side quests with a predictable yet satisfying story. A little bit ominous undertones wouldn’t hurt either.
19:17 FORESHADOWING
Skyward Sword had some of the best music in series
Agreed
Person Person mhmm
Definitely
Yeah
agree.....also the story and cinematics are far better than BoTW
19:17 “It’s the kind of game that leaves so much room for improvement, that it could be rendered obsolete by a good sequel.”
HMMMMMMMM...
You never know, the sequel might be complete horse crap.
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I could see that happening
I dont want to think about this possibility
Honestly, sometimes I kinda think like this and get worried that by making a sequel, it will either suck, or just ruin going back to the first game, and it just psychs me out and I wish they’d leave it be. But I think my best help with this is looking at arkham asylum and arkham city. I love asylum to death and city is the perfect example of a sequel taking everything that was great about the original and improving it in practically every way, turning into one of my favorite games of all time. And even with all the improvements, asylum still has enough charm that it’s worth going back to play. I really hope this is what ends up happening with botw 2
Great, another game in my favorites list with OOT, MM and TP.
BOTW 1 in my flawed 3D zelda games's list with WW and SS.
Thank god someone else sees this. I have said since launch that Botw dungeons suck. Everything else except the weapon durability I really enjoyed.
I just hope the sequel goes back to its roots
well. Skyward Sword was in fact not one of the building blocks for the next Zelda. i’m sure TOTK is a great game and all, but it just looks like more of the same. i miss the story and dungeons from old Zelda, it’s a shame we may never see that again :(
Same, I'm gonna miss the old Zelda formula
One of my new favorite sentences, "but luckily Link _isn't_ an alchoholic"
Glad to hear someone actually talk about the positives of Skyward Sword.
I keep coming back to this video. Just fantastic, so succinct.
The use of Skyward Sword's music in this video highlights just how unfair a soundtrack comparison even is here.
SS ST slaps
SS has an amazing ost.... that being said, i think Botw is much better. Thats a subjective opinion of course, but objectively they are both great.
I'm normally very picky with what songs I use in my d&d campaigns, but I use plenty of songs from specifically SS and Botw lol
The final-final boss themes of both games are ridiculously good
Having multiple solutions and being able to solve things in "not the right" way actually felt way more rewarding to me since you could utilize your tools in much more creative ways in BotW. This also made it the best open world sand box Ive ever experienced.
Bespoke Cloud I shook my head when he complained about having more ways to solve the puzzles. They just make the game less linear with puzzles
yeah he is a fucking moron for wanting it linear and easy....
Yeah I mean systemic games are a thing for a reason
I somewhat agree with you but I also see Nerrel's point, some of the ways that you can solve things feel pretty jank and kinda cheap if you do them.
@touma Yeah, exactly. Like there was one shrine where you were supposed to rotate a cube that had torches on it and one torch underneath so that all of them were lit, but there were also streams of water on two sides so you had to do it a certain order or the ones you'd already lit would be extinguished. I remember being unable to solve it and getting frustrated, and at one point I used some fire arrows to light the remaining torches; but then I decided that I'd rather actually solve the puzzle instead of cheating, so I reset and eventually did it legitimately.
BotW had some bad enemy variety. Bokos, Lizards, and Moblins. Occasionally you'll get a guardian or a keez, a chu, or a Wizrobe, but that's not nearly enough. I know the enemies are some of the most dynamic and advanced in the series, but you need more. There were only 4 types of overworld bosses too which is also nothing. The only one I thought was a competent boss fight was Molduga.
Plus you fight them all the SAME way
I sit at a desk all day they would be if they didn’t destroy all your weapons because of how spongey they are to damage
@I sit at a desk all day It is ridiculously easy after getting the hang of it. It would have been fine if there were FAR more types of these bosses that are possible to learn. It would be like if Dark Souls had only one boss you had to learn.
Dark knuts in twilight princess were more complex than anything in botw
Moldugas suck. You climb up on a rock and feed it a bomb, then go stab it a bunch. Easy, boring fight. Hinoxes and Taluses are marginally better, but they become jokes after a while. Lynels are perfect, always able to fuck you up if you don't fight smartly.
I love seeing a different perspective on both games showing that skyward sword isnt that bad of a game and botw isnt that holy game that has no faults.
it’s honestly so refreshing because for some reason people love to hate on skyward sword these days cuz they can’t think for themselves
Then both are mediocre compared to Ocarina of Time and Twilight Princess when i was growing up.
Isnt that bad? I think its amazing.
@@saricubra2867 that's your opinion
@@crimsonking7179 it's a fact tho, Tp and OoT are real Zelda games.
Having just finished the new HD re-release of Skyward Sword in July 2021, I was reminded of how much I enjoyed the game despite some important shortcomings. With the BOTW sequel around the corner, maybe this revisit to SS bodes well for a slight return to form on the dungeon and story front.
Looking back, nope. We did get the dungeons again, but they're incredibly simple and easy with forgetable environments. It's still a step forward from a Breath of The Wild dungeons, but that step is nowhere close to even the worst dungeons in the series
"So robotic, that it sounds like I could have delivered it" Holy shit lol, I reached for the like button but had already hit it when link was downing that red alcohol potion.
It’s been a long time since I’ve been able to enjoy a nuanced and balanced look at the Zelda series that is so well done.
Hats off to you brother. The whole composition of this video works so well. Message, soundtrack, etc - damn good and well thought out and executed.
The juxtaposition of the emotional story content of Skyward Sword vs lack of it in Breath of the Wild (using Alcoholic Link and “Link, fuck around until you eventually save Hyrule” as a comedic foil to drive the point home) made my day. Subscribed.
BotW felt like I could finally do all the things I was pretending to do while I played OoT as an elementary schooler.
Unless the sequel makes some unexpectedly major changes to the formula or is severely lacking in polish for whatever reason, it’s hard to see it not being another great game.
As long as Nintendo doesn't chuck out what they made and just improve and iterate it'll be a hell of a game.
I hope you liked the new one 😭
This is gotta be my favorite video from you.
Nice vid. I give it an Alcoholink/10
I give it 20 twerking tingles
i give it masksalesman/drunken link
While BotW broke the "Zelda Cycle", it created a new problem of polarizing the community because it's so drastically different that many people avoid it as if it is diseased.
@Griff - Yep, same here. I went back to Link between worlds. Only after a little playtime, you really experience how empty and devoid of meaningful gameplay BotW really is. And then you want to go back towards meaningful gameplay.
@mendaix I agree. BOTW just doesnt feel like a Zelda game.
mendaix I had like the exact same experience lol
@@LordGriebenschmalzI revisited the original Links Awakening. That game is a masterclass on world building and storytelling... oh and music! Puts BotW to utter shame.
@@divinecomedian2 Played the remake last year in december. Great game, very atmospheric and incredible soundtrack.
And ofc, very melancholic and at the end you realize what you are really doing and start doubting yourself.
A little bit short, but everything is on point.
Think you’ll review the Switch remake’s controls? It’ll be interesting to see how the joycons fare.
lmao Link rolling into the wall at the bottom of the stairs really got me, loved that whole dark bit, it hit well. Also, "Link's planet died later that day" is weirdly clever lol.
These vids are so good, great work
20:34 Well, from the reveal trailer alone, it seems like Breath of the Wild 2 may yet do exactly that. Mummified Ganondorf, an ancient temple of some kind, a mysterious green energy hand, all of it pointing to a greater emphasis on story, more traditional Zelda dungeons, etc., now that they finally have the foundation in place thanks to Breath of the Wild.
What are you basing that on? Even 3 years on there's no hint of any morr story than BotW, and definitely nothing to suggest proper dungeons. In fact BotW had way MORE story stuff to work with and did absolutely nothing with it. I can easily imagine TotK going the same way. CUTSCENE 1 "Link, Ganon has been resurrected, use this cursed hand to kill him" **100 hours of collecting heart pieces and stamina points** CUTSCENE 2 "yay link, you killed ganon" **CREDITS**
@@rooty The comment is three years old (so it was from a time when all we had was the first reveal trailer) and it opened with "from the reveal trailer alone", so I'm going to say it was entirely based on the first reveal trailer.
I honestly had almost completely forgotten about this comment.
Now that we know more, two things that would suggest something closer to proper dungeons is the absence of shrines and footage of fights in underground caverns.
@@matthewmuir8884 yeah I see that. There was nothing at all in the first reveal trailer that suggested more story (it was literally just an intro cinematic, which every zelda game has, including BotW) and literally no gameplay. So where "story and dungeons" came from remains a mystery. I don't expect to see them. Responding to the two biggest criticisms of botw would make too much sense, so I fully expect nintendo to go the opposite direction.
sadly it just looks like more of the same now that it’s out. that’s fine for BOTW enthusiasts, and sure i like BOTW and all, but i really miss what Zelda used to be :(
@@morgboat744 From what I've played so far, Tears of the Kingdom is a big improvement over Breath of the Wild in some ways reminiscent of the older games:
1. The dungeons are a lot more unique and creative; for just one example, the Rito dungeon is a giant Viking longship inside a cyclone, and the boss is just as unique and creative.
2. The fuse mechanic making it that monster parts can be fused to weapons allows for more enemy variety with less risk of running out of weapons. Like-Likes are back, as is Gleeok.
3. The sages act as useful travelling companions throughout the game. Sadly, they're completely silent after their story mission since it's just an avatar of them, but it's better than Link adventuring completely solo in Breath of the Wild.
4. The story is a big improvement. A lot of it is driven by backstory again, but this time it revolves around investigating and uncovering what happened in the past and what's going on now. This also means that there's more happening in the present than there was in BotW.
I will admit that the game is still Breath of the Wild again in a lot of ways, but let's not forget that this game began from the Zelda team brainstorming ideas for BotW DLC and deciding to make a sequel instead with those ideas.
I’m so glad you touched on the musical aspects of storytelling
Breath of the Wild make me appreciate the characters and story from Skyward Sword.
Skyward Sword make me appreciate the seriousness of Twilight Princess.
Twilight Princess make me appreciate the art style of Wind Waker.
Wind Waker make me appreciate the theme of Majoras Mask.
Majoras Mask make me appreciate the adventure of Ocarina of Time.
Ocarina of Time make me appreciate the 16bit graphics of A Link to the Past.
A Link to the Past make me appreciate the sex worker from Adventure of Link
They had us in the first half not gonna lie
Wind Waker's graphics look terrible. It was a game released in the wrong place at the wrong time, how the heck Nintendo though that it was a good idea as a folloup up to Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask? .
(HD remaster is beautiful).
It did a lot of damage to the Gamecube too, not only the Zelda fanbase. I will never forget that, kinda weird that nowadays it's being retroactively changed as a good game (same applies for Majora's Mask).
Majora's Mask and Wind Waker were such big missteps after the natural direction from A Link to The Past to Ocarina of Time and how polished both were.
@@saricubra2867 dude calm down it’s a video game and while I don’t care much for windwakers graphics I think it adds to the ocean atmosphere and it doesn’t look bad
@@cranjismcbasketball3513 The atmosphere is IGN's "too much water" . Yes, it does look very bad, lighting is very flat without proper shadows or color gradients, it really looks like a low budget game.
The Wii U fixed the visuals.
@@saricubra2867 I’ve only played the hd version but the original does not look bad. This isn’t even one of my favorite Zelda games it’s probably lower on the list but I can’t say it looks bad
Really solid arguments for where BotW could be massively improved with a little bit more care, especially the ability to "favorite" certain weapons with a repair and upgrade shop to make use of the inventory system alongside armor. The review scale is untouchable, and I will now be disappointed if I don't see IGN start referencing "Twerking Tingles". Outstanding as usual!
I so much wanted to use all the different hero weapons, but the weapon durability meant that I just left them on display in my house.
CompanionPrism
Perhaps, but that’s the flaw in your thinking. The developers went out of their way so you wouldn’t have such a strong attachment to a specific weapon, including the Champion Weapons.
13:46 - 14:14 I can't stop laughing at this part
If I'm being completely honest with myself, I enjoyed playing Skyward Sword more than I did BOTW. I wonder if anybody else feels the same way.
I don't. Because i don't like both Skyward Sword and Breath of The Wild.
I prefer Wind Waker than both and even Wind Waker is heavily flawed. Overall, Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask and Twilight Princess are my favorites and the ones i play the most.
Star masterc Wow really? I mean I love all those Zelda games too, what didn’t you like about Botw? To be honest, I think I like playing every one of those games more than botw, but I still really enjoy botw.
@@ClumpypooCP A lot of it. The plot, the dungeon design, the boring post apocalyptic cliche that a lot of AAA devs like to use in the Open World genre, the koroks seeds, the shrines, the weapon durability, the framerate specially in the Korok Forest, the lack of hidden skills, the nerf to the Master Sword...
It's honestly the weakest 3D zelda and one of the most overrated games ever made, there are way too many flaws that people overlooked because the runes are fun.
I can rescue some things from the game, obviously the runes and the ideas behing the core mechanics, i like the artstyle and some music pieces, this version of princess Zelda is great (until the 100 year with ganon bullsh*t), the towns are also great and other subtle details in the world.
@@ClumpypooCP Imagine if we had something like the Snowpeak Ruins in a mountain, you obtain a sheikah rune there, that is already 10000x better than the game we have right know.
Also, if the champions were alive and you could choose one as your companion, it can add live to the game and many interesting gameplay and story choices...
I really like that you have Midna as the profile pic, Twilight Princess is my favorite Zelda and videogame in general.
@@saricubra2867 I agree with you tbh. Botw could have been much better.
You are the first person I have seen review Skyward Sword so fairly. Normally people just rip it apart for every little thing, even though it was a good game. So thank you for that. It is honestly my favorite Zelda game, followed closely by Majora's Mask. Also, completely agree about Ghirahim. By far the best Zelda villain after Ganondorf. XD
And it is also great to see people admitting that BOTW isn't actually as good as people say it is.
Damn this is the conparison that i was so desperately searching for back when BotW came out and nobody wanted to discuss its shortcomings. Thank you 4 this video. You did an incredible job.
I'm so glad I found your channel.
Pretty funny coming back to this knowing that BOTW 2 has all the sky islands and stuff
Came here to rewatch for 93847849 time just because I love your content.
When Skyward Sword hd eventually comes out people will be praising it to the high heavens
were you paying attention to the video? it said it would make the game worse with no sensor bar or magnetometer to recalibrate with. And in my opinion I think that it would make it worse because of the joycons and the controls
@@allanssupposedlysecretacco817 my point was more about the zelda cycle
@@hyperhedgehog7 well mine relates to that too
lol doing this at 1:12
I still love Skyward sword, I mean yeah the repetitive bosses was lame but I enjoyed it ALOT
I just want to point out that BotW's Japanese voice acting is actually really, really good
Thanks, its impossible to hear that cringey british Zelda after the japanese version
oh so it’s NoA who phoned it in
And that’s why I avoid dubs of *Japanese* media.
I prefer how to British voices sound, but to each their own
In my opinion zelda, king rhoam, revali and urbosa are the only good voice actors in the American version.
Who TF are you? I just stumbled across two of your videos and absolutely love them, the way you talk about games, the jokes, everything, people like you are who I strive to find on this site, thank you for such quality content, you got yourself a new subscriber
BoTW feels like the MSGV Phantom Pain of Zelda games. They tried a lot of new things for an open world game and made a game with some of the best gameplay in the series but ended up falling short because of the story. Here's hoping BoTW 2 is just 1 with actual Zelda dungeons.
You're not just gonna break up a serious review with a segment of alcoholic Link, and then keep going like nothing even happen. I almost spit out my drink seeing Link on the floor surrounded by bottles.