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  • In this dramatization of transcripts from a legal deposition, a lawyer becomes embroiled in an absurd argument about the definition of a photocopier.
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  • @warped_rider
    @warped_rider Před 9 lety +5272

    An argument so absurd it could have only happened in real life.

    • @bebop417
      @bebop417 Před 5 lety +112

      i'm willing to bet my life this happened in america

    • @dbillau
      @dbillau Před 5 lety +142

      @@bebop417 That is a very solid bet since it happen just south of Cleveland Ohio. My mom knew the stenographer and the lawyer with the mustache. If I remember correctly the case settled out of court a few months later.

    • @draganoiugeorge6010
      @draganoiugeorge6010 Před 5 lety +4

      well what was the result. dont leave us hanging :D

    • @Zemkezis
      @Zemkezis Před 5 lety +7

      Exactly ! I would have found it far-fetched if it was not from a real deposition.

    • @groinBlaster31
      @groinBlaster31 Před 5 lety +37

      @@bebop417 you think you're so smart yet you couldn't read the intro where it says where it happened.

  • @mikes252
    @mikes252 Před 4 lety +1002

    A perfect example where a defense attorney has coached a witness to the point they don't know what to do

    • @stufffstufffington
      @stufffstufffington Před rokem +64

      The side glances at the defense attorney before most of the answers were a really great touch. Except for the screaming at the end, I'm sure this is exactly how it went down.

    • @TalonX_X
      @TalonX_X Před rokem +59

      I read an excerpt from the prosecutor doing the deposition, he said he didnt get mad like the video and wanted the guy to keep feigning ignorance because it made him look very bad. The prosecutor never got frustrated.

    • @bryonholdt6954
      @bryonholdt6954 Před rokem +4

      @@TalonX_X So the prosecutor admitted that he was trying to make the guy look and feel stupid (as the guy mentioned). Not a good look

    • @Dawreckk
      @Dawreckk Před rokem +76

      @@bryonholdt6954 the prosecutor is asking a simple question. The witness made himself look and feel stupid. So sure, you can say that was the goal. Let me ask you, do you know what a prosecutor is?

    • @cwolf208
      @cwolf208 Před rokem +49

      @@bryonholdt6954 The guy was making himself look stupid. At any point he could have said "yes" and it was clear what was happening. He, at the coaching of his lawyer, made himself look stupid by trying to dodge a simple question.

  • @kiyomiku
    @kiyomiku Před 9 lety +5677

    This can be a great commercial for xerox, with a punch line "it's not a photocopying machine, it's a xerox."

    • @g1enn
      @g1enn Před 8 lety +288

      You wouldn't want to do that if you are xerox. It's a good way to lose your trademark on the name.

    • @kiyomiku
      @kiyomiku Před 8 lety +35

      g1enn
      Not sure how that make them lose their trademark, but then what do I know about business practise.
      How does a registered trademark become lost?

    • @g1enn
      @g1enn Před 8 lety +248

      If a word becomes too synonymous with the product it can lose its trademark. For example everyone calls medical bandages with adhesives "band-aids" regardless of if they are actually bandaid brand. They almost lost their trademark and they had to change some of their marketing.

    • @kiyomiku
      @kiyomiku Před 8 lety +38

      g1enn
      Ah! That make sense. I am one of those that calls them band-aids. I used to view that as a good thing though, cause who ever want to find bandage, they will know the band-aids brand? But I see, it does lose the meaning behind their word sometime.

    • @RaiderOfTheLost
      @RaiderOfTheLost Před 8 lety +8

      +kiyomiku I just wanted to say, have a good day. You deserve it

  • @DarckT7
    @DarckT7 Před 5 lety +4908

    Here from legal eagle. Glad for a new distraction!

    • @invictusaeternum
      @invictusaeternum Před 5 lety +49

      same. this did not disappoint!

    • @VitoHGrind
      @VitoHGrind Před 5 lety +26

      Same! Well worth it!

    • @wsadqwer110
      @wsadqwer110 Před 5 lety +57

      It became recommended to me shortly after watching legal eagle.

    • @invictusaeternum
      @invictusaeternum Před 5 lety +24

      @@wsadqwer110 Let it be known that today the Eagles changed the algorithm.

    • @a24396
      @a24396 Před 5 lety +8

      Me too and just phenomenal stuff here!

  • @Ephisus
    @Ephisus Před 10 lety +3151

    The performances in this are just phenomenal.

    • @johng6950
      @johng6950 Před 5 lety +84

      This was more gripping than any courtroom drama I've ever seen!

    •  Před 5 lety +6

      so true

    • @julesnominal1804
      @julesnominal1804 Před 5 lety +19

      who plays the prosecutor? man he's good!

    • @DDPK
      @DDPK Před 5 lety +13

      @@julesnominal1804 its almost as if there are credits at the end of the clip...

    • @TheJackmore
      @TheJackmore Před 5 lety +70

      @@DDPK Wen you say "end of the clip", what do you mean?

  • @ExecutionStyleInc
    @ExecutionStyleInc Před 8 lety +3444

    Why can't this be a series, a entire show based on an attorney dealing with moronic cases and depositions day in day out.

    • @vb8428
      @vb8428 Před 8 lety +78

      Such a show ended-Boston legal

    • @ExecutionStyleInc
      @ExecutionStyleInc Před 7 lety +9

      Victor K Borona
      watched it, that show as crappy, The practice was good though.

    • @vb8428
      @vb8428 Před 7 lety +1

      M7JS2IR9Q26 - Yeah grandma

    • @vb8428
      @vb8428 Před 7 lety +40

      ExecutionStyleInc It was the funniest and satirical legal drama ever.It had quality dialogue,impressive actors(both leading and guest), captivating yet ridiculously engaging plots and terrific fastshots(like shaky cam) that worked dramedically.

    • @KarmaTiger
      @KarmaTiger Před 6 lety +20

      It is a series - the Verbatim series, of which you've watched one instalment.

  • @7599mmd
    @7599mmd Před 8 lety +1244

    Depends on the definition of "is."

    • @ChurroTheViscous
      @ChurroTheViscous Před 8 lety +8

      +Meredith Dickenson your legal references are on point

    • @badmunkey666
      @badmunkey666 Před 8 lety +43

      +Meredith Dickenson Can you define "definition"?

    • @Bob-lr6nu
      @Bob-lr6nu Před 8 lety +42

      +Meredith Dickenson I identify as a photocopier and I resent your implied definition of "is"

    • @UDT116
      @UDT116 Před 8 lety +1

      Nice

    • @kobrowsky
      @kobrowsky Před 8 lety +7

      +Merry Murphy Depends on the definition of "definition".

  • @ChilledfishStick
    @ChilledfishStick Před 5 lety +376

    I've watched it quite a few times, read the transcript, and researched a bit about this case. I'm not a lawyer, but this deposition is really fascinating.
    I try to ignore the presentation, because it is a dramatization. What I've noticed is that every time Mr. Marburger, the lawyer taking the deposition changed the phrasing of the questions, there was always a way for the recorder's office employee to weasel out of answering by claiming that he can't recall, doesn't understand, etc. I think that the phrasing was deliberate, that Mr. Marburger wanted to give the employee an out, so he could show how the witness was willing to play games, and to milk it as much as he thought was needed. When he was done milking, he phrased it in a way which didn't allow for more games.
    I know from an interview that Marburger was in fact very happy let it drag on. That he saw the value in 6 pages of games, and that he wasn't mad at all. On the contrary, this was the best outcome.

    • @przemekkozlowski7835
      @przemekkozlowski7835 Před 4 lety +105

      The case centered on whether making a copy of a CD that contained scanned paper records, could be considered "photocopying" since there was an explicit law governing the records office making photocopies of public records. This seems like an absurd argument but "photocopying" was not legally defined at the time. The lawyer tried to establish that the office employees had a fixed definition of what they considered to be a photocopier and they did not use these machines to copy the CDs. The witness was coached not to say that and tried to weasel out of the answer without outright lying. So the lawyer got a beautiful transcript that proved that the record office employees knew that the argument was bunk and were just trying to play games with word technicalities.

    • @TheLewistownTrainspotter8102
      @TheLewistownTrainspotter8102 Před 4 lety +26

      @@przemekkozlowski7835 This witness was also overcoached.

    • @JMD501
      @JMD501 Před 2 lety +14

      I hate it when people use brand names instead of the actual name of a product. It happens all the time, like q-tip, band-aid, hoover and people calling all soda Coke. God I hate them.

    • @SioxerNikita
      @SioxerNikita Před 2 lety +21

      @@JMD501 Sometimes people genuinely don't know the actual name of the product.
      I have no idea what else you would call a band-aid in English.
      Hoover was a rather shortened and nicer word to say than a vacuum machine, or vacuumer. So it sticks.
      I have no idea why you specifically would hate that? You know what it means. They know what it means, and that is genuinely what language is about in general everyday conversation.

    • @jjjacer
      @jjjacer Před rokem +4

      @@JMD501 i think its because brand names are so common and the first thing we see when we associate a word to a product, Kleenex, Q-Tip, Band-Aid, Pepsi (up here in the midwest, although we also call them pop, and the water fountains bubblers as Kohler had a fountain branded a bubbler and it was something common up here in the midwest)
      Example. As a kid we would want a facial tissue, but the box said kleenex, so that became our word for it. Also tv ad's

  • @MrSuperJaskirat
    @MrSuperJaskirat Před 10 lety +1043

    Man, that lawyer in the end in his seat is just like, "troll..."
    Woman was a great actor considering she never said anything but had the face of "I love my job. I wanna see where this is going".
    cudos to the whole cast

    • @kebman
      @kebman Před 5 lety +10

      Should have gotten an Oscar!

    • @gordon1545
      @gordon1545 Před 5 lety +39

      Yup, the Stenographers first take is a joy.

    • @Ad_Inferno
      @Ad_Inferno Před 4 lety +43

      As a stenographer myself, however, it annoys the heck out of me that her machine is at like chest height. I'm sitting there going, "Do you want carpal tunnel syndrome? Because that's how you get carpal tunnel syndrome."

    • @BerserKei
      @BerserKei Před 4 lety

      Why do you have a playlist called blaq?

  • @PictureEthiopia
    @PictureEthiopia Před 8 lety +911

    I love the look the typist gives!

    • @scottishzombie
      @scottishzombie Před 8 lety +21

      +PictureEthiopia Indeed. She killed me in this. Hats off to Emily! :)

    • @wewd
      @wewd Před 8 lety +77

      +PictureEthiopia Stenographer! Not a typist! You don't want to see what happens when you call a stenographer a typist to their face, it's not pretty. It may be the last thing you ever do...

    • @kathrynbostrom7927
      @kathrynbostrom7927 Před 8 lety +20

      Court reporter...

    • @PictureEthiopia
      @PictureEthiopia Před 8 lety +16

      +wewd hahaha I'm tempted to try! But thanks for telling me! I'm an Ethiopian with a basic English knowledge so I have learnt something new today! The word Stenographer and not to call the stenographer a typist to their face.

    • @jeffmarquis4612
      @jeffmarquis4612 Před 8 lety +8

      +Kathyn Bostrom stenographer...

  • @quelorepario
    @quelorepario Před 4 lety +481

    The Onion will go bankrupt if reality keeps catching up

    • @leifleoden5464
      @leifleoden5464 Před 3 lety

      Check out Titania McGraths book. She said things like Mother Tersa was a white supremacist years before the twitter mob got there.

    • @TheRedArrowExpress
      @TheRedArrowExpress Před 3 lety +2

      Reality has always been absurd.
      We like to think large institutions are well oiled machines with very few hangups but the truth that the world is just directed chaos.

  • @Missingo32
    @Missingo32 Před 5 lety +146

    The crazy thing I didn't realize until looking up more about the case: it was $2 per page... of a digital document. A file. Printed copies were still to be $2, which is still absurd.

    • @Matrim42
      @Matrim42 Před rokem +41

      “Greene and her staff based their charges on a state law that requires a $2-per-page fee to photocopy or fax documents. Based on that law, they argued that CDs containing copies of 104,000 pages of records should cost $208,000.”

  • @jasonmenkins
    @jasonmenkins Před 5 lety +1115

    Came here from LegalEagle, was not disappointed

  • @minimite9493
    @minimite9493 Před 9 lety +429

    The acting in this was amazing!

  • @EpitomeProductionz
    @EpitomeProductionz Před 3 lety +215

    I work as the video guy in these depositions. I can say with 100% certainty this happens all the time. My job today was literally a reenactment of this skit, but the questioning attorney was twice as angry and the word in contention was "behalf".

    • @AK-jt7kh
      @AK-jt7kh Před rokem +8

      🤣 That is hilarious! It’s been 2 years. Can you give us some context?

    • @servantprince
      @servantprince Před 10 měsíci +2

      What is the half of behalf ?

    • @o3o930
      @o3o930 Před 9 měsíci +2

      @@servantprince Surely it's "bequarter". Or perhaps, it's "beh" or "alf"?

  • @JacobTheLoofah
    @JacobTheLoofah Před 8 lety +2081

    Two years later and it's still the bet punchline of all time

    • @killcavlry
      @killcavlry Před 5 lety +78

      Four years later and it's still the best punchline of all time.

    • @robvarley3091
      @robvarley3091 Před 5 lety +11

      Kyle Dalton thank you for your service this country commends your efforts

    • @kas7145
      @kas7145 Před 5 lety +4

      Four years later and I'm still sending it to people

    • @MrNubix
      @MrNubix Před 5 lety +2

      Five years later and I'm still laughing about it

    • @TheActualCathal
      @TheActualCathal Před 5 lety +5

      Two years later and you still haven't fixed that typo

  • @MrShoe321
    @MrShoe321 Před 8 lety +345

    This is probably the single greatest punchline to any comedy video ever.

    • @PanAndScanBuddy
      @PanAndScanBuddy Před 8 lety +57

      +MrShoe Considering that this actually happened and was captured via transcript, we are so lucky that Brett did a dramatic re-enactment word-for-word with it.

  • @xnamkcor
    @xnamkcor Před 10 lety +637

    I want a gas-powered photocopier.

    • @SilverSpoon_
      @SilverSpoon_ Před 5 lety +8

      I think Konica discontiued them, I'm gonna check this.

    • @mooseandsquirellfriend
      @mooseandsquirellfriend Před 5 lety +11

      Just don't get into an accident with one. Those higher pages per gallon come at the expense of crash safety!

    • @nodsib
      @nodsib Před 3 lety +3

      Somebody call Colin Furze

    • @leifleoden5464
      @leifleoden5464 Před 3 lety +8

      SORRY, WHAT DID YOU SAY, I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER THE SOUND OF MY GAS POWERED PHOTOCOPIER?

    • @efenty6235
      @efenty6235 Před 2 lety +2

      dieselpunk

  • @technophant
    @technophant Před 7 lety +1860

    Gas-powered photocopier? What world does he live in?

    • @technophant
      @technophant Před 7 lety +96

      +Caleb B Maybe he's spends so much time passed out from carbon monoxide fumes he can't remember anything that's been said

    • @technophant
      @technophant Před 7 lety +93

      So between the gas bill for their Xerox Turbo and the lawsuits for injuries and deaths they had to raise their copy fee to $2/page. It all makes sense now...

    • @rif42
      @rif42 Před 6 lety +19

      czcams.com/video/5XAeMKcmMmY/video.html

    • @SilverSpoon_
      @SilverSpoon_ Před 5 lety +37

      there's a photocopy principle of gas emulsion, it's old but was working, there should be something on wiki bout it.

    • @cooldukenukem
      @cooldukenukem Před 5 lety +44

      He is actually describing cars at that point. You can hear him say there are different types of machines like there are different cars.

  • @kylejohnson6867
    @kylejohnson6867 Před rokem +187

    As a former Xerox employee who is currently an adjunct professor teaching critical thinking and argumentation, I find this Op-Docs short film extremely entertaining and so satisfying. Those last lines are just priceless, “WHAT DO YOU CALL THAT MACHINE?” “Xerox.” This is one of my favorite videos ever.

    • @AK-jt7kh
      @AK-jt7kh Před rokem +6

      That is so oddly specific to this video and I love it 🤣

    • @willx1987x
      @willx1987x Před rokem +5

      As a former Xerox mid range tech it made me smile too lmao. Now I work on Konica's and the teachers at my district call them Xeroxes

    • @boskee
      @boskee Před rokem +2

      You'll be happy to know "Ksero" - which originated from Xerox - was the term used for photocopies in Poland. No one would ever call it a photocopy. It was Ksero.

    • @Speejays2
      @Speejays2 Před 11 měsíci

      Bot?

    • @foxylee58
      @foxylee58 Před 11 měsíci +2

      When I came across this a few years ago, I emailed it to the TM Dept. In trying to clean my Outlook (a bit) I came across it again and will recirculate it to the new folks! 😁

  • @anthonys-6364
    @anthonys-6364 Před 10 lety +323

    Wow! That was one of the longest Xerox commercials I've ever seen! If advertising was as good as this, it wouldn't be so irritating! (Too bad it really wasn't an Ad)

    • @RectumPunch
      @RectumPunch Před 5 lety +2

      I hope you have kids

    • @camipco
      @camipco Před 4 lety +5

      Eh, imagine if it kept replaying interrupting whatever show you were watching though...

    • @macforme
      @macforme Před 3 lety +1

      Anthony S-6: One viewing was plenty for me. Some people are masochists, I guess.....",hint, hint, nudge, nudge."

  • @gwpmason
    @gwpmason Před 10 lety +271

    The employee was clearly briefed by the corporate attorney to avoid answering the question in principle!

    • @RainbowManification
      @RainbowManification Před 5 lety +62

      In the actual deposition the opposing counsel used this and flipped it on his head. This is a brief dramatization involving over 11 pages of deposition testimony where he went on about this photocopy machine nonsense and made him seem like an imbecile in the eyes of the jury.

    • @fuckgoogle6716
      @fuckgoogle6716 Před 3 lety +1

      It's a joke, folks. Stop trying to analyze it.

    • @Felibarr
      @Felibarr Před 2 měsíci

      @@fuckgoogle6716It's not a joke. It's a transcript from a real deposition.

  • @maxwell_edison
    @maxwell_edison Před 5 lety +93

    "are there any photocopiers?"
    "what type? I can list off 20 different types, please distinguish-"
    "....literally any, buddy."

    • @howardtreesong4860
      @howardtreesong4860 Před 5 lety +8

      The answer to ‘are there any photocopiers” is not ‘what type’, it’s either ‘yes’, ‘no’ or ‘I don’t know’.

    • @samueldimmock694
      @samueldimmock694 Před 2 lety

      @@howardtreesong4860 And the answer was "I don't want to answer that, so I will do my best to say I don't know without lying."

  • @aaronacrabtree
    @aaronacrabtree Před 8 lety +439

    That's a very well-coached deponent.

    • @ChrisBroyles33
      @ChrisBroyles33 Před 8 lety +79

      +Aaron Crabtree I thought the same thing...I've dealt with a career-full of working with some insane (and inane) deponents and attorneys, and this had me chuckling throughout. Esp. the fact that this WASN'T a patent case, in which this back and forth is par for the course on virtually every "term of the art" being debated. But to be coached that well to deliver the equivalent of "not the best of my recollection" 100 times was magic. And infuriating. :)

    • @ravenblood1954
      @ravenblood1954 Před 5 lety +96

      @@ChrisBroyles33 But the defense lost the case xD. In fact part of the reason why they lost was that the opposing lawyer pretty much destroyed their credibility by showing how the defense is so unwilling to answer a simple question. The Ohio Supreme Court voted 7-0

    • @dmarsub
      @dmarsub Před 5 lety +28

      @@ravenblood1954 in 6:15 the video says the case never went to trial.
      Can you explain :)?

    • @QoStoOds
      @QoStoOds Před 5 lety +32

      @@dmarsub After googling "Cuyahoga county Ohio recorder office case", you'll find www.cleveland.com/cuyahoga-county/index.ssf/2012/02/cuyaoga_county_loses_copier_case.html

    • @Graybat12
      @Graybat12 Před 5 lety +22

      @@dmarsub might have been summary judgment instead of trial

  • @Teabonesteak
    @Teabonesteak Před 4 lety +18

    The lawyer with the mustache is John Ennis. He is like an undercover actor; incredibly talented but very under rated. He was VERY funny on 'Mr. Show'

  • @jlastre
    @jlastre Před 4 lety +262

    "Do you have facial tissue at the office?"
    "What do you mean by facial tissue?"
    "What paper do you blow your nose with?"
    "Kleenex"

    • @jenniferkozlik8812
      @jenniferkozlik8812 Před 4 lety +7

      EXACTLY

    • @fleeingglory4352
      @fleeingglory4352 Před 3 lety +6

      Well that's reasonable because I've seen poeple use Kleenex as a term for facial tissue. This is craziness

    • @ThomasTM_
      @ThomasTM_ Před 3 lety +2

      - The French

    • @tylerpeterson4726
      @tylerpeterson4726 Před 3 lety +5

      @@fleeingglory4352 Way back in the day people used Xerox as a term for photocopiers in general. My near-retired high school biology teacher would say that she would be giving us a Zerox of the reading to take home.

  • @NinoBrown08
    @NinoBrown08 Před 4 lety +34

    The second lawyer is so underrated in this . He's loving it.

  • @HariRauMurthy
    @HariRauMurthy Před 8 lety +84

    Regarding the photocopy machines ..."Some of them are under gas power.." . Priceless

  • @bingerr
    @bingerr Před 5 lety +39

    The case involved a challenge to a new records policy by the Cuyahoga County Recorder’s Office in Ohio. According to Marburger, the county took the position that dubbing a CD containing thousands of pages should cost $2 for each digital page-about $5,000 for each dubbed CD. The plaintiff, Data Trace Information Services and Property Insight, was challenging the policy, the Times explains. About two years into the case, the Ohio Supreme Court said the CDs should be made available at a cost of $1 apiece.

    • @Matrim42
      @Matrim42 Před rokem +4

      More than that, some of the CDs they wanted to charge hundreds of thousands of dollars for.

    • @SayAhh
      @SayAhh Před rokem +1

      So how much would they charge for each book-on-tape cassette tape? By the page?

  • @idontwantgoogleusingmyreal4385

    I could easily picture John Malkovich playing the part of the attorney conducting the deposition.

  • @MistahBradley
    @MistahBradley Před 7 lety +77

    This was so stressful.

  • @RandomCarrot2806
    @RandomCarrot2806 Před 4 lety +77

    Great video to show witnesses or people testifying what not to do under oath. If it looks like you are dodging a question, being obtuse or otherwise trying to be manipulative it turns the jury or the judge against your side. People really take issue with deceptive behavior, especially in a court of law.

    • @luke_fabis
      @luke_fabis Před 2 lety +9

      This occurred during discovery, though. The facts of the case are still being collected. No judge nor jury.
      This kind of behavior is designed to completely stall legal proceedings.

    • @Peluceus
      @Peluceus Před rokem +3

      The case never went to trial. Given that this appears to be a defending witness, this was perfect.

    • @cwolf208
      @cwolf208 Před rokem +8

      @@luke_fabis He is still under oath during discovery. It could be used during trial if he, as a witness, changes his answers. It absolutely hurts their case to be this obtuse and it's kind of amazing that the other lawyer was in on this. The lawyer trying to bring in the literal technology for a term that clearly encompasses each of those technologies he is listing is amazingly bad lawyering.

    • @coolspider295
      @coolspider295 Před rokem +1

      They won the case because of this behaviour....
      If he talked it would have been bad for them.

    • @cwolf208
      @cwolf208 Před rokem +4

      @@coolspider295 The defense did not win this case.

  • @crankysmurf
    @crankysmurf Před 10 lety +37

    That was funnier than most SNL skits.

  • @bicyclethief
    @bicyclethief Před 8 lety +97

    OMG THIS WAS AMAZING. it's like a David Mamet play

    • @mofo78536
      @mofo78536 Před 8 lety

      +bicyclethief but in real life!

    • @Blendletan
      @Blendletan Před 5 lety

      For sure, it reminds me of the "will you go to lunch?" bit in Glengarry Glenn Ross where the two characters just keep repeating themselves.

  • @user-bv5xn4bh7r
    @user-bv5xn4bh7r Před 4 lety +15

    This is literally one of the greatest bits of modern comedy. It is 7 minutes of the greatest slow build to the most amazing punchline. 🤣🤣🤣

  • @TheZgraham
    @TheZgraham Před 8 lety +52

    Can we get a series of these? This was hilarious

  • @BlokeOzzie
    @BlokeOzzie Před 10 lety +41

    The somewhat sad thing is, I can understand how the guy being questioned in the actual deposition could be befuddled, if he was a simple-minded person who had only worked in the one office where they had never called photocopying "photocopying" and had only called it "xerox". I've been in office situations where everyone says "Can you Xerox" something and never once heard the word photocopier. As the lawyer, I would not have insulted the intelligence of the person being questioned. I would have jumped straight to, "Do you have a machine where you put in a paper document, and out comes additional copies of that document on new pieces of paper?" "Yes." "What do you call that?" "Xerox". Done.

    • @JunoJaxon_mypjpants
      @JunoJaxon_mypjpants Před 9 lety +7

      the lawyer is not trying to insult this mans intelligence. hes trying to figure out and prove that their office didn't have machines required for work. when he noticed the man didnt know what exactly a photo copier was he decided to approach it as 'then you must not have one' but because the man literally avoided every question, the answer was never reached. honestly the nervous guy was annoying for doing that, he acted like hed get in trouble for saying he didn't know what a photo copier was.

  • @brucedykes718
    @brucedykes718 Před 8 lety +90

    Best. Xerox(tm) commercial. Ever.

  • @a24396
    @a24396 Před 5 lety +23

    This is one of the greatest things I've ever watched...
    I especially love the interjection by the frustrated lawyer: "NO!? Not sure of that?"

  • @starvalkyrie
    @starvalkyrie Před 4 lety +20

    Back to watch this again, the stenographers reactions alone are next level.

  • @gamertherapyconsoleyoursel5804

    As an IT professional, I am that lawyer every day.

  • @roosterdawggwoof5253
    @roosterdawggwoof5253 Před 10 lety +11

    A few weeks ago I went to the courthouse to clarify a property tax issue. The Assessor's office sent me to the Clerks office that sent me to the Treasurer's office to get copies of five pages of documentation, at $1 per page, to take back to the Assessors office and by the time I got out of the courthouse I had a $10 parking ticket for exceeding my time limit!

  • @jacksonstout5579
    @jacksonstout5579 Před 9 lety +369

    It's funny because the other lawyer says the words "Xerographic technology" during this haha

    • @SilverSpoon_
      @SilverSpoon_ Před 5 lety +45

      which is a photocopy principle, but not on their Xerox® equipment.

  • @hellotheregeneralkenobi365
    @hellotheregeneralkenobi365 Před 2 lety +61

    That's hilarious! My guess is the other side wanted to justify the hefty fee by saying that it wasn't for normal photocopying, it was for another technology that could justify the higher cost. So when the lawyer goes right in and asks if there are photocopy machines there then a direct answer can't be given as it would be admitting that the service is just photocopying.

    • @confidential5897
      @confidential5897 Před rokem +15

      Close. The plaintiff had requested records and the county was charging $2 per page to photocopy. But the records were all on a disc; there was no photocopying involved. So the county was trying to charge $2 per page copied to the new disc. You can fit thousands of pages on a disc... They lost the case and now charge a buck or two per disc instead of per page.

  • @zeusnitch
    @zeusnitch Před 3 lety +6

    I love the stenographer's cool and calm throughout the entire exchange

  • @NoahFroio
    @NoahFroio Před 10 lety +53

    OMG! That was absolutely brilliant; I was actually expecting him to say 'mimeograph'; however, that may be aging myself...

    • @Fede_uyz
      @Fede_uyz Před 4 lety +1

      And the thing is.... its real. This actually happened to a poor lawyer

    • @dannyarcher6370
      @dannyarcher6370 Před měsícem

      @@Fede_uyz Meh. They could use some comeuppance.

  • @abtin1
    @abtin1 Před 4 lety +68

    This is so accurate it's crazy. I've been in depos like this with witnesses just as evasive as this guy.

    • @MenacingBanjo
      @MenacingBanjo Před 2 lety +11

      I mean... it's accurate because the script is taken from a real depo verbatim.

    • @abtin1
      @abtin1 Před 2 lety +4

      @@MenacingBanjo I meant this type of situation is common. I wasn't questioning whether this script is from a real case. I guess the use of "accurate" was confusing.

  • @thecursor1
    @thecursor1 Před 5 lety +12

    Actually, yeah, in real life the lawyer wouldn't be that mad, he'd probably would be ecstatic because this argument literally proves his point.

  • @thegreenbaron6439
    @thegreenbaron6439 Před 4 lety +11

    This would make a great opening scene for a movie

  • @wpatrickw2012
    @wpatrickw2012 Před 5 lety +8

    The confusion is understandable if the deposition was being held in the late-1960's or 1970's. The term photocopier did not come into common use until the early 1980's. Xerox machine and Xerox copy were the terms used until then.

  • @BurgerSliderMan
    @BurgerSliderMan Před 4 lety +2

    I come back to this every few months. Probably the best modern story ever told.

  • @ImSquiggs
    @ImSquiggs Před 5 lety +18

    "I understand there are different kinds of photocopy machines, some under electric power, some under gas power..."
    Okay, it''s either me or him that doesn't know what a photocopy machine is, but I've never put gasoline in any device that copies paper.

    • @PsychicDave
      @PsychicDave Před 5 lety +4

      You missed a part there, he said there are different kinds like there are different kinds of cars, some with gas, some under electrical power, as in the cars, not the copiers.

  • @cr1138
    @cr1138 Před 8 lety +582

    This witness is perfect. Every defense attorney could only dream. What an apparatchik....dude understands the law better than the prosecutor.

    • @TheFachen
      @TheFachen Před 8 lety +15

      He was a clerk.

    • @Piratejackyar
      @Piratejackyar Před 7 lety +64

      Also, the guy asking the questions could have just defined it like he did at the end and saved himself an issue.

    • @ihatenumberinemail
      @ihatenumberinemail Před 7 lety +118

      He didn't define it because he wanted to prove that the guy didn't know what a photocopier is.

    • @user-nd7rg5er5g
      @user-nd7rg5er5g Před 7 lety +64

      It wasn't that he wanted to prove that the questioning guy wanted to prove that the witness didn't know what a photocopy is, it's that the questioning guy wanted the witness to use the legal term "photocopy," which was specifically established that a photocopy would be subject to fees per page. With as much pages that a large office would go through, the fees would be large. However, the witness manages to skillfully avoid the questioning guy's attempt to get him to using the legal term "photocopy" in regards to what he was doing.

    • @bryanwoods3373
      @bryanwoods3373 Před 6 lety +84

      I don't think that's quite correct. The case was about the office wanting to charge per photocopy page, so the terminology would have been previously established. For the Recorder's Office to charge for something, they have to display the information. Whether they call it a photocopy or Xerox, the Recorder's Office would have used their preferred nomenclature. Arguing terms is a loophole to get out of the fee. It may even be that both lawyers know that "photocopy" is and has always been used in procedure and policy documentation due to being the commonly used and legally correct term. A problem is that the clerk can't evade the question without being incompetent. Either he is so bad at his job that he has no idea what a photocopier is, or the office is charging for something that they technically don't know they do. And we really don't know the importance of the question, which was just if their office has photocopier machines. Based on the previous question about where electronic copies are stored, it was probably just to establish basic facts to be used in the trial. As it's a deposition, the clerk's testimony is being entered as expert witness evidence. His inability to answer the question destroys his credibility and can be used as an indicator of knowledge within the office.

  • @bent1640
    @bent1640 Před 8 lety +19

    How is John Ennis not the top credit for this? He's listed behind:
    -Director
    -Executive Producer
    -The three Weiner producers and Dana Wickens
    -Coordinating Producer
    -SERIES RESEARCHER (come on)
    -Cinematographer
    -Editor
    -Associate Producers x2
    and finally...
    The Cast
    LOL, Dude give credit where credit is due. He made this entire thing watchable imo.

  • @poneng
    @poneng Před rokem +1

    8 years later, this is still my favorite video on the internet

  • @aaronlandry3947
    @aaronlandry3947 Před rokem +6

    This is a clear example of witness coaching. That witness or defendant whatever he is that can't answer what is and isn't a photocopier using very specific language over and over again is clear evidence that he was coached by the lawyer on what to say and how to say stuff.

  • @Runescope
    @Runescope Před 4 lety +11

    $10 says the Client was coached by his lawyer to be deliberately vague and unhelpful.

    • @KingAdrock420
      @KingAdrock420 Před 3 lety +1

      I'd hope not, since his bumbling testimony lead to them losing the case...

  • @BuckJolicoeur
    @BuckJolicoeur Před 5 lety +12

    "XEROX" I keeled over laughing.

  • @SapientGalaxy
    @SapientGalaxy Před 4 lety +19

    God, I love all of the performances, but the stenographer is great. She doesn't say a word, but you can tell all of her emotions.

  • @SodiumWage
    @SodiumWage Před 2 lety +11

    John Ennis (the frustrated lawyer here) plays the guy pretending to be the arbitration judge in the final season of Better Call Saul. Legend!

    • @allisonchainz82
      @allisonchainz82 Před rokem +1

      He was in mr show with bob odenkirk so I’m sure they’re still buddies !

  • @TieDef
    @TieDef Před 7 lety +90

    The stenographer is hilarious.

    • @dLimboStick
      @dLimboStick Před 4 lety

      I don't understand.

    • @maina.wambui
      @maina.wambui Před 4 lety

      @@dLimboStick they're referring to the woman taking notes

    • @quelorepario
      @quelorepario Před 4 lety +10

      @@maina.wambui I don't understand, what do you mean by woman

    • @dannyarcher6370
      @dannyarcher6370 Před měsícem

      @@quelorepario Let me make sure I understand your question. You don't have an understanding of what a woman is?

  • @johng6950
    @johng6950 Před 5 lety +13

    NYT, please for the love of all that is good and decent, make more of this Verbatim series!

  • @operarhodo
    @operarhodo Před 3 lety

    Can you make more of these please? they brighten my day

  • @deirenne
    @deirenne Před 2 lety +10

    I really NEED, with every fiber of my being, to see this play out on TV as a commercial for Xerox

  • @aaronbrown8377
    @aaronbrown8377 Před 2 lety +3

    This is what I imagine what a deposition of Vaush would look like.

    • @stpedro-ht9ng
      @stpedro-ht9ng Před 2 lety

      rare DGG'er comment.

    • @aaronbrown8377
      @aaronbrown8377 Před 2 lety

      @@stpedro-ht9ng I do not subscribe to Destiny, ragging on dishonest grifters is a game everyone can get behind.

  • @flexor212000
    @flexor212000 Před 8 lety +300

    This would happen if someone talked about a Kleenex vs a tissue.

    • @IsaacCoverstone
      @IsaacCoverstone Před 8 lety +78

      in your experience, have you or anyone in your office ever used a thin layer of paper to expedite the process of vacating mucus from their sinuses?

    • @Raidr
      @Raidr Před 8 lety +29

      +slayer1am I don't understand thin layer of paper... we use office supplied thin cloth to vacate mucus from sinuses.

    • @IsaacCoverstone
      @IsaacCoverstone Před 8 lety +14

      teckelred I'm not sure I heard you correctly. Are you telling me, on record, that you do NOT know the definition of "mucus"?

  • @techmouse.
    @techmouse. Před 4 lety +4

    This is the best episode of WKUK yet!

  • @chgunnproductions
    @chgunnproductions Před 5 lety +3

    This is so good! Totally surprised to see this kind of content from NYT.

  • @TheMikeyp60
    @TheMikeyp60 Před 9 lety +52

    RT Podcast video of the year

  • @PocketTits
    @PocketTits Před 5 lety +3

    John Ennis being angry is simply delightful.

  • @peterraven3901
    @peterraven3901 Před 8 lety +1

    This is my favorite short film. Met the makers a couple years ago at a film festival.

  • @bombdiggity8179
    @bombdiggity8179 Před 8 lety +1

    Love it! Amazing video! Can't wait to watch what else you guys come out with.

  • @eldes200
    @eldes200 Před 9 lety +161

    Oh look it's Ki's dad from VGHS :D

    • @jibclimmer
      @jibclimmer Před 9 lety +26

      OMG I KNEW I RECOGNIZED THE GUY.

    • @Satrynx
      @Satrynx Před 9 lety +2

      Jesse Brauning BROOMSHAKALAKA

    • @allandonald6248
      @allandonald6248 Před 9 lety +2

      That's where he was from! I couldn't figure it out! Thanks!

    • @krmusick
      @krmusick Před 8 lety

      +eldes200 THANK YOU!

  • @monzorella1
    @monzorella1 Před 2 lety +4

    One of the best videos on CZcams. The acting it fantastic ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐

  • @SVSaltyAbandon
    @SVSaltyAbandon Před 4 lety +12

    Honestly, I have never I heard anyone call a copy machine a "photo copying" machine.

    • @McBehrer
      @McBehrer Před 9 měsíci +2

      but if someone did, is there any chance you would be confused as to what they meant?

  • @sleepyprinny
    @sleepyprinny Před 6 lety +5

    Our professor used this very video for class today... and never have I laughed so hard.

  • @YesThatBobWest
    @YesThatBobWest Před 10 lety +11

    Posted this to Facebook with these comments:
    - - - - -
    There are no words to describe how freaking brilliant this is. Director Brett Weiner created a film whose script is, verbatim, a portion of a civil suit deposition dealing with photocopiers. It's absurd and hilarious--and frightening to know that this is the stuff that goes on in our courts. It's lit and shot like a thriller feature, well directed and well cut. But the performances make it. They're all home runs. Arguably, the court reporter has the best role--even though she never says a word, she gets in reaction shots that are sublime perfection. This short should be making the rounds at the festivals. Watch and enjoy.

  • @mictest12
    @mictest12 Před 5 lety +6

    John Ennis. Killing the angry characters since Mr. Show in '94.

  • @bac4998
    @bac4998 Před 7 lety +7

    The guy being deposed is a guy who understand depositions and law. Good for him.

    • @OlafoWaffle
      @OlafoWaffle Před 5 lety +1

      Or he catches an obstruction of justice beef

  • @csingson2049
    @csingson2049 Před 8 lety +28

    give this guy an emmy

  • @sebianoti
    @sebianoti Před 7 lety +58

    I really want a full version of that outro music

    • @mman454
      @mman454 Před 5 lety +5

      Sebastian if you look in the credits in the outro there is a line with the name of the person who was responsible for the music. Perhaps look them up and get in touch with them to see about obtaining a copy?

    • @RandomGuy-ch7ur
      @RandomGuy-ch7ur Před 5 lety +9

      Thanks to Max Nelson for finding it.
      soundcloud.com/jordansthings/music-composed-for-the-short-film-verbatim

  • @PaigePiskinTV
    @PaigePiskinTV Před 10 lety +35

    LOL this is awesome! Well done Times!

  • @Padoinky
    @Padoinky Před 2 lety +1

    I worked for Xerox Corp, in Xerox Tower in Rochester NY and in the HQ campus on Long Ridge Road in Stamford CT. One does not “Xerox” a document, one uses a Xerox Photocopier machine to make a photocopy of an item.

  • @jasoncanadian
    @jasoncanadian Před 9 měsíci +2

    This is the funniest and funniest real life event ... that I have ever seen -- it makes me chuck like once a week of other silly things I deal with.
    Also, this actor ... performs it perfectly.

  • @XandooFoYu
    @XandooFoYu Před 9 lety +25

    Thank you, rtpodcast

  • @caw1539
    @caw1539 Před 3 lety +3

    And in that moment, the funniest line in the world was
    "Xerox."

  • @garrettbernstein5991
    @garrettbernstein5991 Před 8 lety +1

    Please, AMC, consider building a series around these guys!

  • @blotter-water
    @blotter-water Před 5 lety

    I can't believe this is the first time I've heard about these. wow. this is amazing.

  • @IrishRasta
    @IrishRasta Před 3 lety +3

    This should be an ad for Xerox

  • @benweinstein5460
    @benweinstein5460 Před 5 lety +32

    I think the defendant is just really into post-structuralism

  • @MikhailKalashnikovMiG
    @MikhailKalashnikovMiG Před 5 lety

    Fantastic acting, directing, and cinematography. Very impressive

  • @grmpf
    @grmpf Před 3 lety +1

    I love the little excerpt shown during the credits as well, this case must be a goldmine: "I don't envision myself as an official supervisor for the Recorder's office", wtf do they mean, "envision"?!

  • @edsmelly
    @edsmelly Před 5 lety +4

    I've been employed in lots of offices and made, literally, tens of thousands of photocopies but I don't think I've ever used the terms "photocopy" or "photocopier". I would say "copy" and "copier".

  • @MrWazzup987
    @MrWazzup987 Před 10 lety +6

    I have long since disavowed the existence of photocopiers. This only proves my conviction that these devices don't exist.

  • @spyder357
    @spyder357 Před 8 lety

    Those are the quality of it guys that keep my consulting business going.

  • @ValisVengeance
    @ValisVengeance Před rokem

    Make more of these NYT! It's hilarious!

  • @aczepllin
    @aczepllin Před 8 lety +3

    One of my favorite CZcams videos. This is a masterpiece and my kind of humor

  • @BWolf00
    @BWolf00 Před 5 lety +3

    I think this is the best content I have ever seen NYT produce...of any kind.
    As their news department slides into historical abyss...maybe they should explore producing content like this.

    • @shiddy.
      @shiddy. Před rokem

      check out the Follow The Chicken video, it's somehow better than this one

  • @bmfairweather
    @bmfairweather Před rokem

    Watching this made my morning

  • @corner559
    @corner559 Před 4 lety

    Please turn this into a regular series.