The Problem of Evil | Mohammed Hijab
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Mashaallah that young brother is so knowledgeable, may Allah increase him in benefitial knowledge, and benefit the ummah through him. I used to like him and wonder who this guy is who always had good contributions before the camera showed him, I used to think I'm special with what little knowledge Allah blessed me with. now that I know he is 18 years old, I'm ashamed of myself (22yo) .
and very well spoken, MA.
he's the epitome of idiot (epitome means top in his class).
Kind of wish I was a panel member to be honest. Interesting to have these discussions but at least I am listening and engaging from home
On twitter he has given the option, he said email him
What if you live in SA
@NYG El B i dont think theres any option for that but email him maybe he could accommodate
@@MohammadQasim can you link the tweet if possible?
@@a1_trillz youtube usually doesnt let me but ill try
التوكل على الله هو أنك توقن بأن طاعته خير لك وإن لم تدرك هذا الخير. والله أعلم
May Allah Accept your works, and make it a means of acceptance and Guidance for the Ummah!
Ameen
or not, whichever is more factual.
@@HarryNicNicholaswhy are you replying to every comment here this video is clearly not for you
This is such a good and relevant topic. Needs to be addressed more in this day and age because I get stumbled on how to answer.
Strange. For Muslims, pragmatticaly, there is no "problem" of evil. Evil is a necessary antithesis to good. The fact that we have the day of judgement means nobody "gets away with anything" nor is anybody treated unfairly. For every seemingly unecessary pain the person will be rewarded. And for every evil act, unless the person repents, they will be punished. Therefore no problem
@Malik ex muslim chanel par aa ja phir tere samne with reff nanga karunga momo ko
@@deen-al-afriqi it’s not strange as I am still fairly new to Islam and these topics are what non Muslims love to corner us with.
@@Ll_jfdk two things to keep in mind then. Islam has an answer to every question no matter how esoteric. "I don't know but I will find out" is often the wisest response when faced with uncertainty
@@user-sb6lo8ti5t Lol dude, you're telling him to go watch someone who is an Ismaili. Ismaili's are NOT Muslim. Either you're ignorant of the fact that he's an Ismaili, or you are one yourself.
جزاک اللہ خیرا
JazakAllahu khairan 👍🏻
A big issue is that we converse using words, which are merely constructs conveying abstract meaning from one being to others. Needless to say it is then futile to try and firmly grasp a concept as vast and vague as evil and good. That is one of the reasons why our scriptures are so loose and versatile in meaning, since there were not designed by a human mind. Because they descend from above, words alone cannot hold the power and immensity of the message. Hence, the multiple interpretations of the Quran that divide muslims. I feel like brother Hijab here understands this and leads the conversation towards that higher truth. Mashallah, may I say he is one of a kind in his sophisticated and very well educated approach of the matter. He looks further for the answer and accepts all challenges calmly and as unbiased as possible. If brother allows it, I have some questions that carry quite a bit of weight that no one has been able to answer yet and I'd like to have your take on it. I think they could reinforce everyone's faith if we manage to solve them. Brothers, any way I can reach him??
MashaAllah Br. Hijab you've done tremendous good for generations to come, may all this count for your hasanaat when the time comes.
And Br. Yunus is bright, eloquent and articulate mashaAllah, please mentor and help and scaffold his education and personal growth, sadly Muslim ummah does not polish its gems as well as other communities do to their own outstanding youth. In my teenage I had written to Ahmed Deedat telling him thanks for his work we shall have 1000 Deedats in the coming decades, and I say the same to you Br Hijab, thanks to your work inshaAllah we need, and we aspire to have a 10000 M. Hijabs in the coming decades for this ummah.
I think the key point missing in the debates in this video is that revelation has finished and we already have the framework of good and evil within which we understand Allah and our place in the world. If somebody were to ask, "If God commanded you to do this and this abhorrent, bad deed, would you do it?" The correct response would be that revelation has finished with the death of Muhammad s.a.w.s, and such a command cannot be interpreted from God's revelation - the Quran and sunnah.
Looking at it this way, there is no point of contention for the examples of Ibrahim a.s. and Khidr a.s., because they were commanded by God to do so. The revelation was still ongoing for them, thus they didn't have a finished, set-in-stone framework through which they'd understand the commandments of God. Even if Ibrahim had actually done the deed, it would still be good just like Khidr's deed was ultimately good - because God said so.
The brother off-screen takes the Q&A roleplay session too seriously 😅, but it is a sign that he really wants to defend the religion of Islam. I hope he gets better at these training sessions because a real atheist is more likely to be spiteful than that.
Man sitting next to Ali is very articulate mashaallah he needs to get into dawah
Great panel.
I think when debating or arguing good or evil with an atheist is that you have to ask them where do they get their code of morality from if it’s not grounded by religious belief and ask the question are the consistent. If you look at the morals of the west theyre very much backed by their own personal opinion of morality and this isn’t consistent because your opinions can change very easily , this is an opinionated morality. They could say “ I believe physically harming a child is wrong “ but then take the stance of “ I think child labor is ok because we benefit from it “ . Its quite easy to see how the options change . So you really don’t have to argue good VS evil if their standard change with their opinions. I think because of this a lot of our laws and socially as a society is starting to crumble because Of these inconsistencies. They could say not supporting a struggling country is justified because that country in question doesn’t have rights for the abc gang. They’ll say “ well because you don’t support my opinion we’re going to cut your funding and starve your children” , this is just one of many examples of an opinionated morality of the atheist and the west
Also, regarding Evil being the absence of Good. Does that mean there is no neutral position on the scale that determines actions? So that means I am either Good or I am not Good/Evil. Take the example of giving charity. If I do not give charity does that mean I am evil/ or that I am not Good? What if I have an excuse? And if I do not am I sinful as I am being ‘Evil’?
Critical issue is time. In all those cases it was later found to be good. That’s why the day of judgement is needed for ultimate verdict. If one has bad score in year 10 but passes with year 12 with good score, an unfavourable decision at year 11 will be erroneous.
That's just a 'keep calm and carry on' theodicy. Ultimately you've no way of telling whether an instance of child abuse or a Muslim holocaust is helping Allah to get what He wants.
MashaAllah that was fantastic. May All bless you guys!
allah is probably running a mile from this guy.
Assalamu alaykum, it’s been on my mind for some time. Can polytheists like Hindus and Sikhs and bhudists pay the jizya? Are they considered dhimmi? BarakAllahu Feek
I don't believe evil is the mere absence of good (i.e. the light and dark analogy), quite simply because evil is a force in itself! E.g. a person can decide to be not good to me, but can leave me alone at the same time .. a person that leaves me alone cannot be equal to a person who means me harm and acts upon it. So evil is most definitely not the absence of good alone!
this opinion is subjective unfortunately as is everything morality related. In the abscence of absolute reference aka Allah's word & his messengers's word(from Allah). All is subjective and varies from person to person.
@@strandedstranger6602 .. If there's a demonstratable coherent argument against my standpoint, let's hear it 👍🏼
good stuff
This doesn't help at all, as the atheist can push back 'does your god choose to not command it, so it is a privation and bad; or does your god cannot command it, because it is bad so he lack the ability to command it?'
Salaam Alaikum. May Allah bless you. I have always look forward to this discussion in terms of evil. Is there any evilness in world if there is why it's been created and the wisdom behind it. What is a difference between a white dog and a black dog. Differentiation of facts and superstitions.
All praises to Allah
Before I was into this apologism and stuff, I used to have a very simple answer as a Muslim for this absurd question - if there was no evil in this world, what would be the difference between this world and the paradise?
@@lucabaki No inherent justice in 'this world' that you have experienced.
having the necessary tools to succeed
As Selamu Aleykum Brother Hijab, one question: how would you argue on ibn taymiyyahs rout about the killing of the child in surah kehf. Even if you say we can interprate that ibrahims ordering is not the killing of the child (even if its in my opinion far fetched), Khidr killed that child because he was orderd so.
BarakAllahu feek
yea, i feel like they forgot about it last 7 minutes
Finally 🫡
26:30 I don't understand why is Eupryo's dilemma a dilemma at all for a Divine Commandment theorist. Something is good because God commanded it. Yes, That means morality is obeidience to God. And this remains the same whatever the exact commandments are. So there is nothing arbitary. It's always the same standard. Obey God.
Mashaallah.
Interesting.
I'm not very good at English, but I hear some people use the word "evil" when mentioning natural things like earthquakes and at the same time they use the same word "evil" for certain things that we humans do intentionally, like stealing etc. So in English is there any difference between "evil" and "immoral" or are they the same thing?? because nobody would say earthquakes are immoral, would someone?
Muslims need not burden themselves with tough _"Would it be morally acceptable if Allah Commanded x, y and z tomorrow?"_ hypotheticals .. quite simply because *Prophet Muhammad (on whom be peace) was the cut off point for Divine Revelation.* ... that alone renders most of these hypotheticals irrelevant as it nullifies any of the aforementioned hypothetical scenarios.
Allah can change his mind whenever he wants.
AS AN AGNOSTIC I HAVE A QUESTION.
IF GOD DID NOT CREATE, WOULD EVIL EXIST.??
8:22 this is exactly the answer i was looking for ali...hahahaha
Brother make a video addressing solipsism, my main question is how can we trust out fitrah? How do I know it couldnt have been replicated or another delusion to make me believe in another delusion?
I think they already made a video on Solipsism.
Londoniyyah.
Will you believe the answer to your question, or assume it’s another delusion?
solipsism is self refuting, since logic is also innate within us just like fitrah then if you can't trust fitrah then you shouldn't trust logic but again this is circular reasoning because you're trying to refute logic by logic so the entire idea of refusing innate knowledge is self contradictory and inconsistent
Your question about solipsism requires you to use your fitra and trust it in order to get an answer, therefore there is no escape around it except to accept it as true.
@@AM-bm9rs yea exactly it's basically based on circular reasoning Which make it self refuting
This should have been much longer and much more direct. I got lost o
In the debate
If God commands to beat a child, we must obey. Good is what God commands, and bad is what God forbids. For example, incest is haram for us, thus its bad to commit incest, but it was not a bad thing during the time of Adam(s.). Likewise, neutralizing a child is only wrong bevause Allah forbids unlawful killing... however it is not necessarly bad to neutralize a child as we see in the example of the story of Khidir.. God is absolute free. He does what He wants. He could command us to harm everyone and it wouldnt bad... if someone says God wouldnt command this.. why? How would harming everyone be something bad when God didnt forbid it? Or more specifically, how would you know its wrong when God didnt forbid it? Its very dangerous what ali dawah said. He should have kept quit.
Wa Allahu a'alam
That's not morality. You're just reading from a shopping list. None of the items on that list are REALLY bad.
God says 'jump' and you ask, how high?
God says 'rape' and you ask, how young?
İs there any video about ibn Arabi?
ibn Arabi is a zindeeq
13:21 it is from The Masnavi of Rumi
How about the story of Khidr? He was divinely sanctioned to kill a child.
You need a definition of morality which allows for God to cause pain and suffering without being evil for God but for anyone else other than God becomes evil.
I know I am late, but how about this - Regarding the specific example of Killing. Killing is okay if it is justified. Like the example of Khidr or self defence or etc. Otherwise it is unjust. But God is Just. Hence, He would never command killing unjustly. Regarding other examples, such as that of Rape, which I don’t think any situation can be used to justify, the comments are all yours.
The boy on the left is thinking, why is Ali Dawah allowed his phone in here and I"m not:)
May Allah bless all of you , I think the method was bad in the start , the question that is needed is not what is good or bad , but what is the grounds for good or bad , if we cant clarify what is the modal of the existence of such terms it seems odd that we would know what they are or what counts as one of them . and that whatever is wise and good as we know would accord with what god commands but most of our grounds is subjective , and if it did not , then the faulty part is on our side , not on Allah ta'ala Allah 'n zalek 'lwa kabera , and this is too reductive for morality .
و السلام عليكم و رحمه الله و بركاته .
Brothers make a video on Religious Language, this is something that may cause shubuhat with the question of whether Religious language is meaningful
Why are the 2 theories mutually exclusive? Can't they work together?
Yes I wish he clarified this more
I don’t need to know exactly how a rocket works and the maths behind it to point at a rocket and say that’s a rocket.
Likewise we see and perceive that which is evil, and since that’s the thing in question, the words to describe it are useless to the question.
There is no evil forces or entity, people just do what they have to do to survive in tough situations…what you might see as good, some other people call it evil and vice versa, humans are animals and we commit mistakes…
the debate part got too messy and the correct reply to the atheist questions was not clear
I dont think the "definition of evil" is a useful point because the questioner only has to change the word to suffering, and the same issue/question exists. That said, I agree with Ar-Razi that it is an weak objection to God, as the only thing the theist needs to demonstrate (to counter the supposed contradiction) is that there COULD be more wisdom in allowing "unnecessary" suffering than in preventing it
First of all, Sapience Institute doesn't have any video content (to my knowledge) regarding this issue except that one, although this issue is common like a plague and it's always mentioned by all non-believers.
I hope you brothers add more video content in the future regarding that issue.
Feedback:
I wished that the session was more serious.
In normal cases I would appreciate the humor and throwing jokes here and there, but this topic is just so serious and is considered to be an existential problem to the people struggling with it (including muslims).
The humor was just off putting to anyone who is actually struggling with the issue and seeking answers.
Another feedback:
It's really sad how this video was unorganized. It felt like it touched a lot of knowledge surface without much depth. It would have been beneficial to add a summary at the end tying up all the discussion.
May Allah accept all your good deeds.
Yes I feel when Muhammad Hijab was explaining being consistent at the end of the video in either divine command theory or ibn taymiyyahs theory, an example of his arguments should’ve been presented to further clear it up
You have to ask the atheist was is considered immoral 1:00:28
Good
When did Eddie Nketiah become a muslim?
brothers we have been gifted with a intelect and logic
if The god says
im going to test you
then decides to ask me to do something
that goes against my logic, intelect and my understanding
then the answer is no
that would be the correct answer of the test and i would pass
10:51 My thoughts: a big reason why theodicy is such a compelling argument against Christian theology is because of the cosmological framework of their religion. Within Christianity, God embodies Grace. Grace is the Christian concept that God provides you with what He is not obligated to give (i.e., a gift we do not deserve). This is also the case in Islam but in a different sense: God is not the embodiment of Grace; rather, Grace can be defined through his Godly names of Al-Kareem and Al-Ghaniyy. I digress.
The benefits of Heaven in Christianity is being within his Grace (which is why Adam and Eve’s fall from Heaven is known as the “fall from grace”). While it is true that the greatest honor of Heaven is to be in proximity to Allah, this is not where we differ. Christianity’s conceptualization of God as Grace cements his position as the proprietor of all that is good and loving. This is seen in the so-called Passion of Christ wherein God took it upon himself to have his son crucified to remove the original sin (i.e., having fallen from grace).
One could ask, then, why did God not forgive humanity for the original sin? The answer lies in the Biblical character of Satan: if God is the embodiment of Grace and the proprietor of good, then Satan is the embodiment of the lack of acknowledgement of this Grace and the proprietor of evil. Satan’s character stands in contrast to God’s; one could, rhetorically, call the Biblical Satan a literary foil to the Judeo-Christian God. In Islam, Iblees (Satan) is the literary foil to Adam (peace be upon him). This Biblical contrast is found within the narrative of the War of Hell Against Heaven wherein Satan and his army rises up against God and His army. This is pure blasphemy and pagan nonsense derived from the myths of the younger generation of gods rising up against the older generation (e.g. the Titanomachy of Greek myth wherein the Olympians overthrew the Titans; the younger, noisier “dingir” gods of Sumerian myth that overthrew the older generation of gods; etc.).
To put it simply, theodicy is a philosophically viable argument against Christian theology because Satan is the proprietor of evil in contrast to God as proprietor of good. This is where the question of why God does not have the power the eradicate the evil spread by Satan.
In Islam, theodicy is a laughable concept due to God being the creator of both good (khayr) and evil (sharr). This means that both good and evil have wisdom to it. Therefore, this undermines the whole argument because there is wisdom and mercy behind evil. This means that what we might perceive as evil might actually be good in the form of a net gain/positive. This is embodied in the latter part of Quran 2:216 where God says {But perhaps you hate a thing and it is good for you; and perhaps you love a thing and it is bad for you. And Allāh knows, while you know not}.
what wisdom is there in an 8 year prepubescent child suffering excruciating pain for a year of some cancer and then dying?
@@mohammedhanif6780 Salam brother.
The wisdom can be argued in different ways:
1. This Dunya (worldly life) wherein the 8 year-old suffers from cancer is one that the 8 year-old chose to exist and be tested in. Her souls agreed to take upon the Amana (test) as is mentioned in Quran 33:72 and knew that this life was inherently filled with suffering (2:155-157; 67:2).
2. Since she is prepubescent and, thereby, cannot be capable of sin, you might argue that her suffering is pointless since she does not need it to expiate for past sins/transgressions. However, we can take the narrative of Al-Khidr (peace be upon him) as inspiration. Al-Khidr, provided divine inspiration through the will of Allah, implicitly reveals that his actions are merely metaphors for Qada and Qadr (fatalism and the belief in fate and destiny). The part of the narrative that is most relevant is Al-Khidr’s (peace be upon him) striking down a child to the objection of Moses (peace be upon him) (Quran 18:74-75). Al-Khidr (peace be upon him) explains to Moses (peace be upon him) that the boy’s parents were believers and, had the boy grown older, he would have transgressed upon them through rebellion and disbelief (Quran 18:80). What is interesting is that, not only is the killing of the child a betterment of his parent’s lives, but also his; this is because if the boy had grown up, he would have transgressed upon his parents and devolved into disbelief, thereby transgressing against the law of Allah. In other words, his early death prevented the possibility of him transgressing upon Allah and gaining the punishment of Hell. This could also be said of the prepubescent girl in your question. Allah knows the appropriateness of everything.
3. The Quranic claim by Allah in 2:286 that He does not burden a soul with that which it cannot bear (لا يكلف الله نفساً إلّا وسعها). In other words, this suffering that acts as expiation for sins is one that is specifically tailored so that each sufferer can handle their respective suffering. This is a merciful right that Allah gives to each soul.
4. This is a more general argument for suffering (not solely for those that are prepubescent): the suffering that takes place in this life is meaningless for the human. I will elaborate… in the afterlife, Allah asks the humans, “How long have you lived in Al-Dunya (the worldly life),” and they will respond, “A day or so” (Quran 23:112-113). This shows that this worldly life full of suffering will be forgotten and reduced to something akin to “a day or so.” I will provide an analogy which is not directly equivalent enough to compare the lengths of Al-Dunya (the worldly life) to Al-Akhira (the afterlife). Imagine at the age of one years-old, a child lost a finger in a freak accident, will that pain that the child goes through be remembered when it grows to be 11 years-old? Another way to put it is, would you rather have this painful occurrence happen to you earlier or later in life? Obviously the earlier the better, since, with time, we will forget that we had even gone through this suffering. Imagine that! Such suffering is forgotten in a manner of years, yet it expiates a vast amount of sin as is narrated by the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), “No fatigue, nor disease, nor sorrow, nor sadness, nor hurt, nor distress befalls a Muslim, even if it were the prick he receives from a thorn, but that Allah expiates some of his sins for that” (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Vol. 7, Book 70, Hadith 545). Therefore, arguing as a utilitarian, the expiation through/from suffering outweighs the suffering. Another analogy to compare suffering in Al-Dunya with suffering in Al-Akhira (this analogy is, like the previous one, also incapable of effectively comparing the difference between both states, but it does provide the catalyst to provoke thought): Would you amputate a limb (small suffering) that has become gangrenous (large suffering)?
The still get good deeds though from what I understand. And is guaranteed heaven. So maybe to increase her in rank as well as test the parent or punish them? We can only hypothesize but its doesn’t mean there is no wisdom in it lol. I have seen you in ea dawah i think did you stop doing it?
I think Brother this all makes sense logically but psychologically its hard. Our psyche as a whole in the world today is different as we have developed cures for diseases that in ancient times took away children before they could even hit their first birth day. Allah has revealed to us ways to preserve life and as we live longer we become accustomed to certain expectations. Which in a way is a good thing because we do want to strive to reduce suffering but then at the same time we become arrogant because this in turn breeds in us a sense that we have no need for Allah our science can solve everything. So lets do away with our primitive beliefs. But this brings its on diseases. One day child cancer will be curable insha Allah but then what disease of the heart will replace it. I sometimes wonder what will happen to my connection to Allah when i loose one of my kids. May Allah not test me this way because I am scared of what evil will replace this.
Why are the kids more eloquent and mature than Ali
I think Evil and Harm have the same answer. We assume that have the right to not be harmed or for evil to be visited upon you. Next, there situations where evil or harm is justified. And when it is it ceases to be evil. We believe God to be Just. Hence all he commands is Just. Either it may be due to sin, or you lacking the bigger picture
❤️❤️❤️🌹🌹🌹
Another tidbit. Can we define evil as - Unjustified Harm. (Killing Unjustifiably)
I don’t think so as in this case Musa would have thought of Khidr (alayhum alsalaam) as evil, as musa didn’t have the justification at hand. However it wasn’t evil as god commanded it through his infinite wisdom
29:46. That sums up atheism.
Please next time remove Ali. Extremely jarring individual and thinks he’s in speakers corner. Bravo to the other guys. Ali just wants his ego stroking.
I like to think you must consider the whole picture as the brother was saying about pixels and the image. God commands good. We have a fitrah God created, we exist in a universe God created and we ourselves are creations of God. Our conception of what is good is derived from the existence we experience which was created by God. So the thought experiments are not even sound because it doesn’t take into account our natural disposition to flee from evil is an instinct instilled by God. God created a universe where evil such as murder is inherently seen as evil by the average person. If God is the source of all that exists, morality cannot exist outside of God and therefore something being good because God commanded it does not make morality arbitrary. Our concept of morality would not exist without God, so I think the thought experiment is also making an assumption that morality is universal. God is sovereign and could create a universe where what is evil in our existence is good in another. We don’t know, we don’t have the full picture. Good is good because God commanded it and God commanded it because he made it good.
Consider Jahannam which is referred to as evil place in the Quran, yet Allah created jahannam, but he didn’t make it good. Therefore, he does not command us to live a life that would lead to jahannam.
I think a problem in the argumentation is to try to equate killing and raping. Allah would not command raping a child as there is no possible wisdom behind it therefore it is impossible for Allah to command this kind of act. As for killing it can have wisdom behind it (cf : story of Al Khidr) even when Allah commanded Muslims to go in Jihad, even some might disliked it, it was good for them although they didn't know what Allah knows.
Are you saying that it's impossible for Allah to use child rape to bring about a greater good?
@@donaldmcronald8989 to order *
It's hard to imagine how it could be the case
@@ugotiberto5741 We're just finite minds. He sees the picture. We see the pixel.
@@donaldmcronald8989 yes but Allah never ordered raping and will never since the Revelation is finished. If there were any good in it He would have ordered it. Allahu a3lam
Mohammed hijab should make a video capitalising on se# slavery
good exists and evil exists
since we came to understand that there is a supreme being
that is 1 and knowing, seeing and powerfull over all things that created all
then who are we to complain or question
islam means submission so we submit
God is the owner of all things
submission is done when there is no other option we are not all powerful
if a grizzly bear is on top of me i submit
The god is overpowering over all things so we submit
Ali and his group were so good they fooled that guy from the other group into think they were actually Atheists lol!
I don't get any of this why so overcomplicated
it's simple, if god order something → you do it.
How will god order you is the question.
Since Muhammad (PBUH) is the last prophet, it's no longer conceivable that god will give a direct order to someone to do something.(Please correct me on this if it's wrong)
Also, morality come from god in the first place, so how can something god orders be immoral?
But then they will say morality is subjective because it’s God’s “opinion”
@@Kimeikus yeah but if god is timeless then there is no such thing as god Opinions cause Opinions change with time
Euthyphro Dilemma
This dilemma made no sense to me and never did, I don't think you guys eloquated a good and simple response, you were confused on what to say, simply put, the entire dilemma makes no sense. Why?
Because the entire argument assumes God commands something to be good, no, God creates something that is good, then he informs us that it is good and we should do it, and vice versa with evil, there is no commanding us to do something good therefore it is good, it was created good in the first place, we are just being informed of its reality.
Second argument makes no sense, because morality does not exist as a seperate thing without God anyway, God creates something moral, so nothing can even exist as anything without Gods permission and God making it that way, anything that exists as good and bad, is because Allah created it in that exact way, all these commands are just revealing to us the reality of the situation.
Faaxishah is faaxishah because Allah created it that way, Allah then informs us it is faaxishah then prohibits us from going near it. Simple.
Also evil doesn't even exist as in something that is unjust, meaning, unjustness doesn't actually exist, because Allah created everything fairly and with justness, evil only exists in our paradigm, because we feel the effects of evil, like feeling pain, but all pain is just, therefore in totallity evil does not exist as unjustness, rather evil exists as a thing God dislikes and a thing that causes you harm, that is why we hate evil and want to stay away from it, hellfire is not evil, in the sense that hellfire is unjust, rather hellfire is evil because it makes us feel pain, that which we hate, and we would describe as evil, so when we say evil, we have to understand in which context we are using it.
there is evil which implies unjustness, which is why we never ascribe any evil to Allah because everything that happens to us is in justice and saying or implying Allah is evil would be saying he is unjust
the reason Allah tells us about evil in the Quran, is because evil here does not mean something unjust, it means something hated and disliked, but in the big picture this hated and disliked thing is not objectively evil(meaning unjust) rather it is all good (meaning just)
Evil pertains to us only, which is why we are blamed for it and when we recieve the punishment for our actions, because it is evil for us, meaning difficult and painful and something hated.
24:10 Darkness is not just the absence of light, I do not believe that, I could make an opposite argument, light is just the absence of darkness, in actual fact both of these things exist in reality and are a pair as Allah created them and everything in perfect balance, the fact light can be absent is proof something else can take its place e.g darkness
so that example doesn't really work for morality or evil, because for good to be in absence requires something else to take its place mainly being evil.
39:30
So here we have another dilemma, they answered it nicely, put to provide another point, Allah created murder as something evil, but due to the fact, Allah knows this evil will produce manifest good, Allah can inform his servant that in this specific situation killing this child(it wouldn't be considered as murder as murder means unjust killing), would produce alot of good, therefore, whether Allah commanded khidr or informed him that killing the child was good, it was something good whether Allah commanded it or not, because Allah created and decreed it that way.
Now if a person kills a child, claiming it will produce manifest good and that Allah could produce good out of it, this does not fulfill the requirements, as Allah forbid murder for all of us because Allah knows in his knowledge of everything that murdering anyone would be unjust and evil, and a person acting without knowledge, and disobeying Allah, etc.. then they are commiting a seperate evil in and within itself.
Only if Allah informs someone that doing a specific thing that would normally be seen as evil, that it is actually good in this situation, then you should do it.
Perhaps the better question than "definition of evil" is "define unnecessary"....and step by step show the atheist that what they thought they could safely assume as "unnecessary" isn't actually unnecessary
If evil is absence of good then what is good?
Absence of evil 😅
@@alsanabani It is circular.
@@palashkolkata
It's hard to define good and evil Without a law of do and don't. A law to determine what is good and encourage you to do it. For example, you can't cross the road if the traffic light is Red. Everybody obeys this law. And someone might die or be hospitalized for a long time if someone breaks that law.
The simplest law is if you tell a boy who enters your garden that he can eat and drink from any tree in your garden except the apple tree. And that boy breaks the only rule you gave him then he can be fired. Similarly with Adam, God knows that a learning and moral creature like humans will eventually commit a sin, and he doesn't allow sin to happen because he is all powerful, all knowing. This, he sent adam and his children to a place like earth and he gave them guidance from him, and he told each and every one of us what is the exact outcome because he knows exactly where every single one of us will be in the hereafter. The creation of hell as a place for wrong choices and bad actions won't be necessary if a learning and moral creature doesn't exist.
@@alsanabani Why do you say that Allah knows that humans might commit a sin? Do you think that Allah is not sure whether humans commit a sin?
@@palashkolkata
Corrected.
The guy on the left in white didn't even say a single word
Even atheists have given up on the problem of evil ? Eh???? Reference for this ?
Good discussions using the format but please can we have some more seriousness when it comes to discussing the Deen. Too many jokes and goofing around when someone is trying to make their point, especially.from Ali Dawah. It gets very annoying and takes away from the learning,
Inna lillahi wa inna ilaihi rajiun
Every living thing it's true owner is Allah.
A person who has a large piece of land and starts to hit his car in the middle of his land, legally will not be punished as he is owner of the car and he is not causing disturbance as he is far away from public eyes. However if he did that in the middle of the city he will be reprimanded for causing disturbance and the punishment will be more severe if it is not his own car.
Allah do as it is fit as he is the owner and creator. What is the similarities of a person who dies in an earthquake or a person in a war or a person dies in his bed. All were unalived by the will of Allah.
The story of khidir, Allah used him as he is the owner both khidir and the child. If a person dies in his bed who is the evil in this story? Is it old age?
Evil and unfairness is going against the literally the true creator and the owner of the whole world.
Of course because Allah is the most merciful and also the most fair, it will not become like the depiction of Greek mythology pantheon who in the story does as they please on whims to the mortals without any wisdom and reason.
Belief in other attributes of Allah will rationalize tyrants who commit genocide getting their due in hereafter, a good person who died early due to unexpected accident or disaster and many more situation.
If they don't belief in God, who will atheist shift their blame for calamities or evil. The universe, mother nature, natural selection?
Whoever says God only commands what is good has commited kufr. You must rather say good is what God commands. If you say former, it would imply there is something good independent of God. But this is shirk.
Maybe you should get your head out of Islam's ass. There is good independent of God.
@@DestinyAwaits19 poor intellectual boy
@@DestinyAwaits19 No there is no good independent of God. How would you be able to identify good independent of God? What is your measure? And how do you know your measure is good in the first place?
@@stati5tik Because my brain is not stuck inside quran and sunnah.
@@DestinyAwaits19 thats not an answer to my question, but a red herring attempt. Again: What is your measure to distinguish between good and bad and how do you know your measure is right?
1. If Al Lah is self-sufficient,
2. then, Al Lah doesn't need anything outside of itself.
3. So, why did Al Lah create a creation that it doesn't need?
Al Lah created us to have a meaningless and painful existence (Al Lah doesn't need us to exist).
What is more evil than that?
Well read Quran that's a second question Islam doesn't say Same christianity😊
ironically the evildoers have a "problem" with evil^^
a man being arbitrary is immoral, but the One?
What you've just said about the body of islamic thought not responding to the problem of Evil... it applies any philosophical question in your religion! Any Islamic tradition of logic and philosophy has been wiped out due to the completely codified, dictated by God, nature of Islam. If you want to stick only to monotheistic traditions look at the huge body of work in Christianity and Judaism on this.. read some of the incredibly moving Holocaust testimonies on this point. Its really sad that the fundamentalist nature of Islam stops this debate. Islam was once a brilliant shining star to the human race.
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Climate change and natural disasters are getting worse. The UN and governments are unorganized. When calamity strikes there isn't enough man power and aid response to areas affected. What can we do to change this? What can the muslin nationsn and all the countries and leaders do to change this? We need to act now!!
There is evil
Ali is so funny
Your argument is somewhat scattered, and the use of a Plato/Ibn Sina analogy seems misplaced. It's essential to recognize that imperfection is not synonymous with evil, and it's not a helpful framework for understanding such concepts. What's next on your philosophical journey? Are you going to incorporate Aristotle's Metaphysics into Islam? While it's true that logic is a fundamental human capacity, Plato's hypothesis of the 'arche' isn't necessarily a universal truth. Realm of ideas is not a reality, in fact even as a concept it's a fairly impractical. Ali puts it more plainly and effectively: evil is simply the absence of good. It's the classic warmth vs. cold dilemma - cold isn't the opposite of warmth but rather the absence of it.
Diving into more philosophical nuances, should you wish to indulge your philosophical "appetite", one could argue that imperfection is perfection in itself, an idea in line with what Hegel refers to as 'sublation', this what drive progress and development, what make us keep getting better and better on something, because there's always a gap between what we do and the perfection that we try to reach as a concept. But let's not forget our faith as Muslims, shall we? The truth has been revealed, and there's nothing to unravel beyond that. Our duty is to uphold and disseminate this truth. We are not in a state of obscurity, perpetually in search of the "arche".
How can we say that good is the absence of Allah's mercy, when Allah created eternal hellfire?
None said good is the absence of Allah mercy
Eternal fire is the absence of Allah mercy, I think that’s what u mean
tell me you dont know what you are talking about without telling me you dont know what you are talking about, honestly if some one thinks that this is a serious video that you can learn anything from, then boy do i have a bridge to sell you
Lol this guy stands behinds books to seem smart but his words reveal his narcissism
How?
Such superficial analysis.
Why does Allah tolerate so much evil from Muhammad?
Why does Allah tolerate you insulting the prophet without striking you dead. Because Allah is most merciful and All wise.
@@RaNdOm2-RaNdOm LOOL facts
muhamad doesnt do evil, everything he does are orders from god
@@RaNdOm2-RaNdOm most merciful 👈🏻
@@RaNdOm2-RaNdOm Exactly. Allah's wisdom means that even Islamophobia contributes to the greater good. Evil doesn't exist.
1. At a point in time, Al Lah was the only thing in existence.
2. At a subsequent point in time, Al Lah created everything else in existence.
3. Some of the things Al Lah created are evil.
4. Consequently, Al Lah created evil.
5. Therefore, Al Lah is evil.
fallacious argument btw. God also created good so any presumption of evil is negate either equally or unequally by goodness.
@@abdilop3592
"fallacious argument btw."
Name the fallacy you think I made.
@@anassoliman1219
"you argument is not valid"
It is.
"the third and fourth premises do not follow."
They do. One who creates evil is evil by logical deduction.
"He also created good, so we can then argue that god is good. and he is."
Sure you can argue that.
However, you would have to concede that God is not absolutely good.
My argument is based on the assumption that God is absolutely good.
If god is not absolutely good, then It is like any other thing that has a mind. Sometimes they destroy and sometimes they build.
Nothing special.
@@francmittelo6731 your argument fails for one sufficient reason : what is evil ? And who defined it?
Again : you are coming from your own understanding of what evil is and projecting it unto God which is completely erroneous.
In fact, you are not making any point.
This is of course without even saying that your first premise is erroneous.
God existed before time. He is the One who created time and space and therefore saying : " at a point in time Allah was the only thing in existence" is not completely correct because you are making Allah dependant on time which is non-sense.
The correct sentence is : Allah is the First before whom there was nothing or there was Allah and nothing existed beside him.
@@Mokh_ta7
Wrong!
Muslims believe there is good and evil in this world.
If you don't, then the argument is not addressing you.
Simple!
God is the one who created good and bad, so it’s good because God commands it Alhamdulillah.
The idea that an all powerful, all knowing, morally perfect god created beings who are immoral has to be one of the dumbest ideas ever conceived. There is no morally justifiable reason for including suffering in your creation; and you'd have to be mentally ill to think otherwise.
Why has ali to be everywhere
Why you coming for Ali
Because of Brotherhood
Because ali needs dawah 😂