@@seekkeith23 First of all who told you a person will enter jannah because of his deeds alone. All the good deeds done in your whole life wont even equal to your gift of eyesight. Many people are blind, what special did you do do to deserve your eyesight? Therefore, The Prophet (pbuh) said: "No one of you will enter Paradise by his deeds alone." They asked, "Not even you, O Messenger of Allah?" He said, "Not even me, unless Allah covers me with His Grace and Mercy" (Bukhari, Riqaq, 18; Muslim, Munafiq, 71-73).
@@zeeshanzaman6454 My Response to this.. Yes, But doesn’t necessarily mean you will go to hell either. Many just come back to live another life, i know in Islam it doesn’t touch base with Reincarnation. But there is too many stories that are hard to pass up, and stories of Near Death experiences where people are sent back to their bodies and are told it is Not your time yet.
Why then Europeans saying. "Without lies Islam dies". Can lies take you to heaven? Nooo. What is real Islam then? Real Islam is Hadith/Koran. I guess europeans and Americans are seeing boat load of Muslims are rejecting Koran hadiths. Every Muslim channel and speaker corner reject the books. Everyone have version of their own Islam. 2021 how long this dumb behavior last?
@@Sooyaan1 look at morons saying liar liar at speakers corner . What religion is this? They say Hadith and Koran is lie. Then what do you have? Just cult leader!
0:50 What's eschatology? I really appreciate people who ask when they don't know. These days people nod along pretending to understand, or worse roll their eyes when you ask a question.
On the flip side of this conversation, when an individual accept, recognized and worship Allah, they will be given an eternal reward for some they did in this finite life because the subject of worship is infinite.
Yes, this is a fantastic point and on top of that we all know that all of our good deeds together are not enough to gain entry into Jannah, even if we were to worship a thousand years with complete perfection, that would still not be enough to be granted Jannah but we will enter Jannah through the Mercy and Grace and Forgiveness of Allah. Looking at it this way, Allah is far more Merciful and Forgiving than we deserve but it befits His Majesty and Glory to forgive who He wishes and grant His Jannah to whoever He wishes.
This is an amazing point. The way I see it Allah already gave the warnings as to what will cause someone to be in hell eternally so it's up to us to heed that warning and make the choice. Logically it's like if there's a warning sign that said beware cliff falls and someone ignore the warnings and jump of the cliff surely you will stay dead forever even though you jump off the cliff once, you're not gonna die for one second, one minute or whatever. That warning that Allah gave is a mercy to all, if Allah have no mercy Allah will just ignore and let us do whatever we want and tell us to find out for ourselves what it's that will make us go to paradise or hell.
Hell is there as a deterrent, do you really think the one that calls himself the Most Merciful will punish people for eternity? The Quran mentions that hellfire will remain for as long as Allah wishes so we don't know whether hellfire is eternal or not, we will see on judgment day.
Damn, this is the first time in a long time no one was talking louder than necessary. No one getting over emotional. Really enjoyed the conversation from both sides.
It really shows Allah's mercy. Just a speck of Iman and you avoid eternal punishment, Allah asks for so little yet if you do a good deed it's counted in multiples while a bad deed is counted as simple one. Allah says if you remember me I will remember you. If you call to me I will hear you. If you walk to me I will run to you. Alhamdulillah for Islam, a mercy on mankind.
@@nuhashahmed7692 " most " Merciful and " all " merciful doesn't make a difference in regarding that he will burn humans forever there's nothing merciful torturing someone forever . God has nothing personal to gain from this and his creation doesn't. neither party's benefit from eternal punishment.
@@gjfjfk You seem to have missed the point with most not All merciful. The point is he doesn't forgive everyone and yet more merciful than any human can ever be.
I don't think he is Christian voz he said islam and Christianity is his favourite so I'm assuming he is atheist, I have never seen a Christianity that wise and respectable
i was just waiting for 29:30, and that shows how important knowing the whole context is. a single hadith can change the perspective of a subject. holding a stuff and keep digging into it without looking other source can leave you wondering, and can even make you stubborn holding a statement. great conversation!
Nice conversation! We as Muslims believe that the almighty creator has infinite knowledge and wisdom. Therefor only he knows best if you're someone who would be willing to bow to him and worship him the way he told you or not whether you live 20 years or infinite years. And most people who refuse to worship god even if they could live infinitely they would never change and worship god. So, based on that the appropriate punishment for them is eternity in hell fire.
قال اللّه تعالى وما خلقت الجن والإنس إلا ليعبدون. in street translation, i didnt create the Jinn and the minkind for any other reason than worshipping me. If you consider the things Allah subxaanah gave you without even asking, like breathing, intellect, health etc, And after everything He سبحانه وتعالى gave you, you still chose to live your whole life in disbelief and denied Allah subxaanah of any gratitude, not that Allah subxaanah need(s) us at all, cuz Allah is الغني الحميد, but still He عز وجل put some rules... if you come back to Me without acknowledging my existence and without Believing in Me, you will burn in hell and that is it. قال اللّه تعالى إنّه كان لا يؤمن باللّه العظيم. وقال تعالى ولا يخاف عقباها. Allah subxaanah is still merciful for letting you disobey Him in your whole life with the power to come to you from any angle at any time, i mean inside, outside, thoughts, nerves, cells, hopes, wishes, desires, people, family, day, night etc. and Allah subxaanah has already told you the consequences of your actions and opinions in your worldy life! ***And informed you that He عز وجل is indeed both the most forgiving and the most merciful And that his punishment is the most severe** قال اللّه تعالى ۞ نَبِّئْ عِبَادِي أَنِّي أَنَا الْغَفُورُ الرَّحِيمُ ﴿٤٩﴾ وَأَنَّ عَذَابِي هُوَ الْعَذَابُ الْأَلِيمُ.
19:50 wow! I didn't see that coming! what an argument! I was stunned by it, Tony was stunned by that he literally asked for some time to recover, lol! He seems like a genuine guy and very interesting in his takes and gentle attitude!
eternal punishment but Allah also offers eternal life in heaven...no one argues about why eternal blessings in Jannah for deeds have been done in just 60 years of life?
@@like-icecream And the guy literally explained it with a great analogy. And said how boring those discussions are because Muslims will never accept the concept. The reality is, there is more than one way to look at something. Especially when it comes to things that can't be tested. Which is why trinity discussions are boring. In another 2000 years people will be parroting the exact same arguements 😂 Far better to have these discussions like this which are underpinned by a wider view of philosophy and not just Islamic philosophy.
The issue of people dont understand the consept of infinite punishment is, that people who is in en complete denial of the exsistens of Allah, how Can they ever claim that they find the infinite punishment is inporportionent to a finite crime ? Well. Why does the consept of infinite punishment bother you, if you indeed dont belive in Allah ? Remember the hadith, of the prophet pbbuh and his wife Aisha ra. She asked the prophet about the man who was known as humble, good and feeded the poore and took care of orphants. Would Allah forgive him. The prophet said, that He Will be in hellfire. Because He never Said “rabbil fiqhr’lii rabbil fiqhr’lii” Lord forgive me Lord forgive me. How Can A man who live his entire life, careless of God, claim salvation? Even if his crime was finite
إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ لَا يَظْلِمُ ٱلنَّاسَ شَيْـًٔا وَلَٰكِنَّ ٱلنَّاسَ أَنفُسَهُمْ يَظْلِمُونَ Indeed, Allah does not wrong the people at all, but it is the people who are wronging themselves. Quran Yunus 10:44
Does anyone have a link to the discussion of this gentleman with Ali, just prior to the one we see here? I would like to see the arguments Ali presented before
Fact is, only worst people according to Allah's judgement will reside in hellfire forever. Why Allah say's because he wants the humans not to cross the limits. Otherwise, people like Pharoh will say, I will burn for 10 years or 1 trillion years, then I will get the paradise in the end. They will have hope. But, if he resides in hell forever, there is no hope for him. Sometimes Allah use fear as well so the oppressors don't cross the limit. When they do, they will reside in hell forever. It's not that Allah doesn't mention it. Allah mentions it in the Quran. No one can claim(if they read Quran or know about it's verses) they didn't get any message from Allah. Best humans according to Allah will reside in Paradise forever, some bad people will have punishments for a certain time, then they will go to paradise and some others will reside in hell forever. Worst
No one goes hell for eternity for murder. It's only for ascribing partners or rejecting the message whilst being sound minded that lands one in hell for ever authibillah. Shirk is an infinitely wicked crime against an infinitely perfect Deity. Therefore is deserving of a never ending punishment
@@TheOneLogic69 nothing was smart. he tries to push people out of the debate by using philosophical terms. he just keeps interrupting this person and isn't taking anything he says in
This is THE BEST video on the internet to share if you have an atheist friend or relative who is honest and seeking truth... Amazing, wow!!! What a beautiful and incredibly powerful argument brother Hijab used here! Astonishing! I've been watching him for years, since 2017 and I can say I've not seen him make such a profound, eye opening and simple argument on this level! I guess Tony also should get credit because he is very very interactive and genuine!
masHallah very well spoken christian person..very logical rational as well.. he asks a valid question...how can a finite crime get infinite punishment? to make you happy brother i have answer... inshALLAH we believe those who have the least sense of an UPPER BEING will be granted jannah after spending sometime in hell.. our prophet was promised that most of his UMMAH will be granted jannah.. also to answer ur question...it is also possible to commit crime of infinite impact in a finite duration and in that case the punishment is infinite too..hope that helps..
Allah knows everything the past the present and the future. But Allah is the most just such that anything happens to someone only happens because of Fairness in His eyes.
Maybe because, the finite transgression is only finite due to the intersection of God and not because the transgressors had decided to stop out of there own will. Had it been they were completely free the transgressors would transgress endlessly and this is why the punishment is also endless. However this is just my own think Allah (SWT) knows best.
Isn’t the simple answer to this mans very valid question, that there is infinite punishment for a finite action because it’s meant to: A) show the magnitude of the action that’s been done (i.e. shirk - associating partners with Allah), and B) deter a person from carrying out the action. This is done out of pure love for us so we stay on the right path without thinking twice. A bit like the capital punishment.
topic of the knife shikh Mohamed hijab is taking about it actually happened to my friend died 2 days ago someone killed him with a knife I’m really sad he was my best friend
I believe that the conversation shouldn't go there in the first place; Allah is all Wise, Merciful, and Just and cannot be questioned by a limited knowledge being like us human. End Case.
Ok and Muslims wouldn't argue against that fact. But he's talking to a non muslim who doesn't believe in the same thing, so without taking the conversation elsewhere, how would you discuss the matter with a non muslim?
@@EpikMunk it should be enough explanation for him, If you would explain the difference between All knowing Allah and his limited self, it should be enough to understand, and actually this is the basis that he should accept Islam upon, not to rational the idea in a way that suits his limited mind. Cause the question he's asking is wrong in the first place. Plus, This is how He is SW. The Guy shouldn't be demanding answers or even proposing questions like this, and he shouldn't be allowed to do so. If he gets it he gets it, if he doesn't, he doesn't. May Allah give hedaya to all who's sincere.
@@Mr_Moe_Eng When I asked you the first time, it should have been enough for you to understand and answer, you couldn't so I had to ask you a second time, you still couldn't and now I'm having to ask a 3rd time. Ive explained to difference between Muslim and non muslim and that should have been enough for you to understand and that should be the basis for you to answer my question. This conversation should not have even got to this point. You should have understand my question when I originally posted it and answered it then instead of me having to take the conversation further and ask you a 3rd time how you are going to explain to a non muslim without going into further conversation elswhere.
Allah has told us the punishment for disbelief in this life so the fact that its infinite doesn't matter because he has already told you the punishment so that makes Allah fair and just because he has already told you what is going to happen and if you still do it its your own fault
Mashaallah hijab is Captain Egypt I love the way Ali and Hijab have a very calm way talking to others I wish we had a park where I live so I can hear more about religion
Minute 30:55 Just a correction Ibn Taymiyya did not have two opinions about eternal hell , he believed it’s eternal and he clearly mentioned that in his books like “Bayan talbees al jahamiyya”. But Ibn el Qayyim is the one who had two opinions about this and his last opinion was that the hell is eternal .
Eternal punishment is a fact. The punishment is a circumstance that a soul will acclimatise to for eternity. Hell has a core which is the Fire. This Fire this Blaze this Inferno is different from the earthly fire but has extremes of heat and opposite of heat too
Anas b. Malik reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be u n him) said: It would be said to the non-believers on the Day of Resurrection: If you were to possess gold, filling the whole earth, would you like to secure your freedom by paying that? He would say: Yes. Thereupon it would be said to him: Something easier (than this) was demanded from you (but you paid no heed to it).
To those people that say let us return if accepted that would be unjust towards The people that didn’t need to return and entires heaven.. they accepted god and came to conclusion why couldn’t the others unless it’s the people of fitra we are talking about..
Here's the formula for the punishment, as per my understanding of the discussion. (the time span of the transgression) x (the attributional value of the object) x (the gravity of the transgression) = (the degree of punishment) x (the time duration of the punishment) x (the attributional value of the subject) Obviously, the equation is dimensionally balanced. If '(the attributional value of the object)' is infinite, then '(the time duration of the punishment)' should be infinite, as the other two factors on the right-hand side of the equation are finite in nature.
Osama that was extremely clear thank you brother, but i wonder would the ( time span of transgression matter?) because we know that rather than time span, even if u do shirk for one second before dying u end up in hell fire, and likewise if u beleive in Allah for one second, u dont have eternal punishment. What are your thoughts on this
@@alijawad432 True, What I feel is, in a case which deals with believing in Allah, only the last deed of the person in this domain will be considered. A person who does shirk his entire lifetime and accepts the truth just before he dies, will be saved mostly because, accepting the truth alos entails asking for forgiveness
This is how a good discussion is, sadly most people on the speakers corner are neither as intelligent as Mohammed or the Guest. This is both a respectful conversation but what makes it good is the level of intelligence and challenge of the more relevant questions rather then questions like why God doesnt like alcohol. Also, you can see the respect between Ali and Mohammed. Ali knows this area is Mohammeds to cover and lets him take it as when Mohammed steps back in other discussion where a more confronting style as Alis are needed
In the same context : if u believe in one god and prophet mohamed to be the final prophet u can also get eternal reward in the form of paradise With little effort about 60 years of life time.
We Muslim always forget the one most important things that the commandment of "do not speak about something which you have know knowledge of". This is not a intellectual debate rather a debate to change someone's point view,whom just disagree with every agreement even the argument makes sense just so that he can keep this point of view intect. This is a really small discussion to explain very quickly. Allah is Marcyfull Allah is also Just, Allah is the true creator & only He has every right to do whatever he wants with his Creation.If Allah decides that disbeliever are going to ethernal hellfire it's He has every right to do so.He is the one and only who set the rules and we are simply here to obey.
Arrogance causes people to question what they know to be true. It's simple really, belief in the unseen or don't... Hell and heaven, hot & cold, eternal punishment or eternal paradise.
I'm Muslim and you know What Allah call himself as a Just God so if People asked themselves if he is Truly Just and Fair it's fine ???? إن الله لا يظلم الناس شياء ولكن الناس أنفسهم يظلمون He " Allah" repeats in his Quran Couple of times that verse
This man is my favorite guest. May he be guided
In sha Allah
Ameen
@@seekkeith23 First of all who told you a person will enter jannah because of his deeds alone. All the good deeds done in your whole life wont even equal to your gift of eyesight. Many people are blind, what special did you do do to deserve your eyesight? Therefore,
The Prophet (pbuh) said: "No one of you will enter Paradise by his deeds alone." They asked, "Not even you, O Messenger of Allah?" He said, "Not even me, unless Allah covers me with His Grace and Mercy" (Bukhari, Riqaq, 18; Muslim, Munafiq, 71-73).
@@zeeshanzaman6454
My Response to this.. Yes, But doesn’t necessarily mean you will go to hell either.
Many just come back to live another life, i know in Islam it doesn’t touch base with Reincarnation. But there is too many stories that are hard to pass up, and stories of Near Death experiences where people are sent back to their bodies and are told it is Not your time yet.
@@zeeshanzaman6454 exactly
One of the best discussions i have ever watched. No hatun, no loud noises. A mature and informative conversation.
Did they ever catch the person that stabbed Hatun? Her voice is unbearable
@@Monothiest247 you can hear her screaming at 9.00😁
Her presence literally makes Speaker corner into Shouters Corner
@@seekkeith23 the most merciful the most compassionate
Her new name is Hyena 😂
I love this guy’s approach and I pray that Allah guides him to the right path. Aamiin🤲🏽🤲🏽
Yes, he is analyzing everything of new information and it actually makes him think. I respect that a lot
Jesus guides you I will pray for you
he revert to islam . that brother.
@@abdelkarimkeraressi1418 did he??
@@jona7200 i think last month or 2 month.
This is how all discussions should be like in speakers corner... Great respectful ending too!
Why then Europeans saying. "Without lies Islam dies". Can lies take you to heaven? Nooo. What is real Islam then? Real Islam is Hadith/Koran. I guess europeans and Americans are seeing boat load of Muslims are rejecting Koran hadiths. Every Muslim channel and speaker corner reject the books. Everyone have version of their own Islam. 2021 how long this dumb behavior last?
@@lukewayne where r your sources coming from?
@@Sooyaan1 look at morons saying liar liar at speakers corner . What religion is this? They say Hadith and Koran is lie. Then what do you have? Just cult leader!
And that ladies and Gentleman, is how a civilized discussion looks like. May Allah guide this brother to the right path.
one of the best discussions ive seen, learnt a lot also
have you seen "shackles of freedom" with Abbas and the Doc?
@@finn6770 shush
0:50 What's eschatology? I really appreciate people who ask when they don't know. These days people nod along pretending to understand, or worse roll their eyes when you ask a question.
Absolutely. Being humble is important for growth
On the flip side of this conversation, when an individual accept, recognized and worship Allah, they will be given an eternal reward for some they did in this finite life because the subject of worship is infinite.
True. No one would say it's unjust to subject an individual to eternal bliss for a finite act of obedience.
Yes, this is a fantastic point and on top of that we all know that all of our good deeds together are not enough to gain entry into Jannah, even if we were to worship a thousand years with complete perfection, that would still not be enough to be granted Jannah but we will enter Jannah through the Mercy and Grace and Forgiveness of Allah. Looking at it this way, Allah is far more Merciful and Forgiving than we deserve but it befits His Majesty and Glory to forgive who He wishes and grant His Jannah to whoever He wishes.
This is an amazing point. The way I see it Allah already gave the warnings as to what will cause someone to be in hell eternally so it's up to us to heed that warning and make the choice. Logically it's like if there's a warning sign that said beware cliff falls and someone ignore the warnings and jump of the cliff surely you will stay dead forever even though you jump off the cliff once, you're not gonna die for one second, one minute or whatever. That warning that Allah gave is a mercy to all, if Allah have no mercy Allah will just ignore and let us do whatever we want and tell us to find out for ourselves what it's that will make us go to paradise or hell.
Hell is there as a deterrent, do you really think the one that calls himself the Most Merciful will punish people for eternity? The Quran mentions that hellfire will remain for as long as Allah wishes so we don't know whether hellfire is eternal or not, we will see on judgment day.
@@unknownsource5787 like the original post said there's also eternal paradise and reward for finite worship so it's fair and merciful.
Damn, this is the first time in a long time no one was talking louder than necessary. No one getting over emotional. Really enjoyed the conversation from both sides.
And both sides respectful and intellectually honest. This was refreshing.
This is a lovely conversation
another powerful beautiful discussion to start my Monday, Masha Allah
The guy is very educated I hope he read the Quran and became one of us. May Allah swt guide him and us all to the right path
Nice name 😂
It really shows Allah's mercy. Just a speck of Iman and you avoid eternal punishment, Allah asks for so little yet if you do a good deed it's counted in multiples while a bad deed is counted as simple one. Allah says if you remember me I will remember you. If you call to me I will hear you. If you walk to me I will run to you. Alhamdulillah for Islam, a mercy on mankind.
Alhamdulillah!
Allah has mercy but he's going to torture someone forever . Big contradiction
@@gjfjfk He is the most* merciful not All.
@@nuhashahmed7692 " most " Merciful and " all " merciful doesn't make a difference in regarding that he will burn humans forever there's nothing merciful torturing someone forever . God has nothing personal to gain from this and his creation doesn't. neither party's benefit from eternal punishment.
@@gjfjfk You seem to have missed the point with most not All merciful. The point is he doesn't forgive everyone and yet more merciful than any human can ever be.
Can we get this guy back again for an episode 2? That would be awesome as this was one of the best debates (from all three speakers) I’ve ever heard.
I miss the days of Hijab peacefully taking to and informing the people or SC. Glad to see something like that is coming back together.
God willing this Christian brother asks Allah for guidance and receives it. At least he is seeking truth and being polite during discussion.
I don't think he is Christian voz he said islam and Christianity is his favourite so I'm assuming he is atheist, I have never seen a Christianity that wise and respectable
I really enjoyed Maasha Allah TabarakAllah we need more of these discussion 👏🏾
22:00 everyone’s mouth dropped, Masha Allah Allah protect Muhammed Hijaba and increase him in wisdom and give him paradise
Wallah very well put argument
جزاكم الله خيرا على هذا المجهود
Loved the talk. It's plaisant to have Mohamed back in SC.
Part 2 and so on would be very educational and helpful for the internet
JazzakAllah khayr
Great content, I could listen to these two speaking for hours.
This is the best arguments for Eternal punishment that I have come across yet.
Nice i really enjoyed this one.
Hey we want to have a determinism debate. When is this gentleman coming back
I love to see Tony again…let us pray for him
i was just waiting for 29:30, and that shows how important knowing the whole context is. a single hadith can change the perspective of a subject. holding a stuff and keep digging into it without looking other source can leave you wondering, and can even make you stubborn holding a statement. great conversation!
Nice conversation! We as Muslims believe that the almighty creator has infinite knowledge and wisdom. Therefor only he knows best if you're someone who would be willing to bow to him and worship him the way he told you or not whether you live 20 years or infinite years. And most people who refuse to worship god even if they could live infinitely they would never change and worship god. So, based on that the appropriate punishment for them is eternity in hell fire.
Excellent discussion.Great job Brother Mohammed Hijab.
nice in peace discussion added knowledge and understandings ..
Educational and informative decision. Manshallah
Amazing argument Masha Allah, wow moment at around 21:50
قال اللّه تعالى
وما خلقت الجن والإنس إلا ليعبدون.
in street translation, i didnt create the Jinn and the minkind for any other reason than worshipping me.
If you consider the things Allah subxaanah gave you without even asking, like breathing, intellect, health etc, And after everything He سبحانه وتعالى gave you, you still chose to live your whole life in disbelief and denied Allah subxaanah of any gratitude, not that Allah subxaanah need(s) us at all, cuz Allah is الغني الحميد, but still He عز وجل put some rules...
if you come back to Me without acknowledging my existence and without Believing in Me, you will burn in hell and that is it. قال اللّه تعالى
إنّه كان لا يؤمن باللّه العظيم.
وقال تعالى
ولا يخاف عقباها.
Allah subxaanah is still merciful for letting you disobey Him in your whole life with the power to come to you from any angle at any time, i mean inside, outside, thoughts, nerves, cells, hopes, wishes, desires, people, family, day, night etc. and Allah subxaanah has already told you the consequences of your actions and opinions in your worldy life! ***And informed you that He عز وجل is indeed both the most forgiving and the most merciful And that his punishment is the most severe** قال اللّه تعالى
۞ نَبِّئْ عِبَادِي أَنِّي أَنَا الْغَفُورُ الرَّحِيمُ ﴿٤٩﴾ وَأَنَّ عَذَابِي هُوَ الْعَذَابُ الْأَلِيمُ.
quite intriguing discussion.
Such wonderful debate MH you did great job may Allah increase you in knowledge and wisdom, may Allah also guide this gentlemen
وَإِذْ قَالَ لُقْمَانُ لِابْنِهِ وَهُوَ يَعِظُهُ يَا بُنَيَّ لَا تُشْرِكْ بِاللَّهِ ۖ إِنَّ الشِّرْكَ لَظُلْمٌ عَظِيمٌ (13)
Very good discussion. Well done guys.
19:50
wow! I didn't see that coming! what an argument! I was stunned by it, Tony was stunned by that he literally asked for some time to recover, lol!
He seems like a genuine guy and very interesting in his takes and gentle attitude!
Such a high level conversation
Damn, was hoping this was an old video so I could have caught up with the next discussions they had agreed to do lol.
Fantastic debate both speakers were quality
debate: two people or group defend for their opinion to be true
discussion: two people exchanging ideas on one subject/topic
eternal punishment but Allah also offers eternal life in heaven...no one argues about why eternal blessings in Jannah for deeds have been done in just 60 years of life?
or even 2 sec
This man was cool and it was a great discussion man
This is the level of discussion we should have.
Not the 2000-year-old 1+1+1 EQUALS debates xD
did you watch the video because they went into 1+1+1
@@like-icecream
And the guy literally explained it with a great analogy. And said how boring those discussions are because Muslims will never accept the concept.
The reality is, there is more than one way to look at something. Especially when it comes to things that can't be tested. Which is why trinity discussions are boring. In another 2000 years people will be parroting the exact same arguements 😂
Far better to have these discussions like this which are underpinned by a wider view of philosophy and not just Islamic philosophy.
@@DocRealTalk 1+1+1=3 . What "other way of looking at it" is there?
May Allah guide this man he seems very reasonable and humble
this guy is so nice haha wish him the best
The issue of people dont understand the consept of infinite punishment is, that people who is in en complete denial of the exsistens of Allah, how Can they ever claim that they find the infinite punishment is inporportionent to a finite crime ?
Well. Why does the consept of infinite punishment bother you, if you indeed dont belive in Allah ?
Remember the hadith, of the prophet pbbuh and his wife Aisha ra. She asked the prophet about the man who was known as humble, good and feeded the poore and took care of orphants. Would Allah forgive him. The prophet said, that He Will be in hellfire. Because He never Said “rabbil fiqhr’lii rabbil fiqhr’lii” Lord forgive me Lord forgive me.
How Can A man who live his entire life, careless of God, claim salvation? Even if his crime was finite
إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ لَا يَظْلِمُ ٱلنَّاسَ شَيْـًٔا وَلَٰكِنَّ ٱلنَّاسَ أَنفُسَهُمْ يَظْلِمُونَ
Indeed, Allah does not wrong the people at all, but it is the people who are wronging themselves.
Quran Yunus 10:44
If you're an atheist and you can sleep well after what they discussed then you either didn't understand it or something is really wrong with you.
Does anyone have a link to the discussion of this gentleman with Ali, just prior to the one we see here?
I would like to see the arguments Ali presented before
Fact is, only worst people according to Allah's judgement will reside in hellfire forever. Why Allah say's because he wants the humans not to cross the limits. Otherwise, people like Pharoh will say, I will burn for 10 years or 1 trillion years, then I will get the paradise in the end. They will have hope. But, if he resides in hell forever, there is no hope for him.
Sometimes Allah use fear as well so the oppressors don't cross the limit. When they do, they will reside in hell forever. It's not that Allah doesn't mention it. Allah mentions it in the Quran. No one can claim(if they read Quran or know about it's verses) they didn't get any message from Allah. Best humans according to Allah will reside in Paradise forever, some bad people will have punishments for a certain time, then they will go to paradise and some others will reside in hell forever. Worst
Good argument in my opinion.
@@Radec913 bad argument
Speakers cornor is like the only place where muslims respect criticism of islam.
is there a part 2? where they meet again
Masha Allah Barak Allah brother muhammad looks giant here😁👍🏼❤
No one goes hell for eternity for murder. It's only for ascribing partners or rejecting the message whilst being sound minded that lands one in hell for ever authibillah. Shirk is an infinitely wicked crime against an infinitely perfect Deity. Therefore is deserving of a never ending punishment
We need more discussion with him
رجل محترم يستحق أن تسخر وقتك له هداه الله
I like this video what about paradise forever for little little things this is one another attribute of almighty merciful
This guy need to meet Shamsi
Well done both - proud of you. Respectful and intellectual
Best conversation ive seen from hijab.
Most of us undervalue our blessings, and the impact of our bad deeds.
Mashallah how tall is Muhammad hijab or is he standing on a platform of some sort ?
Beautiful explanation between the tree and the baby 20:22
Thumbs up for you guys
Very smart argument from Hijab. Simple amazing. Loved it
@@TheOneLogic69 nothing was smart. he tries to push people out of the debate by using philosophical terms. he just keeps interrupting this person and isn't taking anything he says in
My guy said it Perfectly...STONG MIND
This is THE BEST video on the internet to share if you have an atheist friend or relative who is honest and seeking truth... Amazing, wow!!! What a beautiful and incredibly powerful argument brother Hijab used here! Astonishing! I've been watching him for years, since 2017 and I can say I've not seen him make such a profound, eye opening and simple argument on this level! I guess Tony also should get credit because he is very very interactive and genuine!
masHallah very well spoken christian person..very logical rational as well.. he asks a valid question...how can a finite crime get infinite punishment? to make you happy brother i have answer...
inshALLAH we believe those who have the least sense of an UPPER BEING will be granted jannah after spending sometime in hell.. our prophet was promised that most of his UMMAH will be granted jannah..
also to answer ur question...it is also possible to commit crime of infinite impact in a finite duration and in that case the punishment is infinite too..hope that helps..
The Arabic language has metaphors, allegorical meaning, you can’t take its literal definition at times, and sometimes restricted.
Allah knows everything the past the present and the future. But Allah is the most just such that anything happens to someone only happens because of Fairness in His eyes.
I enjoy intellectual discussion
It's so much more interesting when the guest comes with an open heart and a critical brain.
Maybe because, the finite transgression is only finite due to the intersection of God and not because the transgressors had decided to stop out of there own will. Had it been they were completely free the transgressors would transgress endlessly and this is why the punishment is also endless. However this is just my own think Allah (SWT) knows best.
Good point.
May Allah guide him to Islam.
Nice
Is there an English translation available for this debate?😂
نحتاج ترجمة
is that uzair with the hat on behind MH?
Isn’t the simple answer to this mans very valid question, that there is infinite punishment for a finite action because it’s meant to:
A) show the magnitude of the action that’s been done (i.e. shirk - associating partners with Allah), and
B) deter a person from carrying out the action.
This is done out of pure love for us so we stay on the right path without thinking twice. A bit like the capital punishment.
Simple. Too much debating for the same of debating.
topic of the knife shikh Mohamed hijab is taking about it actually happened to my friend died 2 days ago someone killed him with a knife I’m really sad he was my best friend
I believe that the conversation shouldn't go there in the first place; Allah is all Wise, Merciful, and Just and cannot be questioned by a limited knowledge being like us human. End Case.
Ok and Muslims wouldn't argue against that fact. But he's talking to a non muslim who doesn't believe in the same thing, so without taking the conversation elsewhere, how would you discuss the matter with a non muslim?
@@EpikMunk it should be enough explanation for him, If you would explain the difference between All knowing Allah and his limited self, it should be enough to understand, and actually this is the basis that he should accept Islam upon, not to rational the idea in a way that suits his limited mind. Cause the question he's asking is wrong in the first place. Plus, This is how He is SW. The Guy shouldn't be demanding answers or even proposing questions like this, and he shouldn't be allowed to do so. If he gets it he gets it, if he doesn't, he doesn't. May Allah give hedaya to all who's sincere.
@@Mr_Moe_Eng Yes, but he doesn't believe that. So again, how are you going to explain to a non muslim without going into further conversation.
@@EpikMunk Bro, I already answered your question.
@@Mr_Moe_Eng When I asked you the first time, it should have been enough for you to understand and answer, you couldn't so I had to ask you a second time, you still couldn't and now I'm having to ask a 3rd time. Ive explained to difference between Muslim and non muslim and that should have been enough for you to understand and that should be the basis for you to answer my question. This conversation should not have even got to this point. You should have understand my question when I originally posted it and answered it then instead of me having to take the conversation further and ask you a 3rd time how you are going to explain to a non muslim without going into further conversation elswhere.
Hijab the victorious Masha'Allah.
When hijab started talking abt attributes I had to pause and thank Allah ,it is a revelation...
Allah has told us the punishment for disbelief in this life so the fact that its infinite doesn't matter because he has already told you the punishment so that makes Allah fair and just because he has already told you what is going to happen and if you still do it its your own fault
Mashaallah hijab is Captain Egypt
I love the way Ali and Hijab have a very calm way talking to others I wish we had a park where I live so I can hear more about religion
Minute 30:55
Just a correction Ibn Taymiyya did not have two opinions about eternal hell , he believed it’s eternal and he clearly mentioned that in his books like “Bayan talbees al jahamiyya”.
But Ibn el Qayyim is the one who had two opinions about this and his last opinion was that the hell is eternal .
Eternal punishment is a fact. The punishment is a circumstance that a soul will acclimatise to for eternity. Hell has a core which is the Fire. This Fire this Blaze this Inferno is different from the earthly fire but has extremes of heat and opposite of heat too
I can hear hatun's voice around 8:54 in the background lol
Why does Hijab look extra giant in this video?... Mash Allah
Anyone knows the visitors name? Or if he has any platforms online?
Tony, no he doesnt as far I know
Anas b. Malik reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be u n him) said: It would be said to the non-believers on the Day of Resurrection: If you were to possess gold, filling the whole earth, would you like to secure your freedom by paying that? He would say: Yes. Thereupon it would be said to him: Something easier (than this) was demanded from you (but you paid no heed to it).
To those people that say let us return if accepted that would be unjust towards The people that didn’t need to return and entires heaven.. they accepted god and came to conclusion why couldn’t the others unless it’s the people of fitra we are talking about..
Here's the formula for the punishment, as per my understanding of the discussion.
(the time span of the transgression) x (the attributional value of the object) x (the gravity of the transgression) = (the degree of punishment) x (the time duration of the punishment) x (the attributional value of the subject)
Obviously, the equation is dimensionally balanced.
If '(the attributional value of the object)' is infinite, then '(the time duration of the punishment)' should be infinite, as the other two factors on the right-hand side of the equation are finite in nature.
Osama that was extremely clear thank you brother, but i wonder would the ( time span of transgression matter?) because we know that rather than time span, even if u do shirk for one second before dying u end up in hell fire, and likewise if u beleive in Allah for one second, u dont have eternal punishment. What are your thoughts on this
@@alijawad432
True,
What I feel is, in a case which deals with believing in Allah, only the last deed of the person in this domain will be considered.
A person who does shirk his entire lifetime and accepts the truth just before he dies, will be saved mostly because, accepting the truth alos entails asking for forgiveness
yo khwarizmi
This is how a good discussion is, sadly most people on the speakers corner are neither as intelligent as Mohammed or the Guest. This is both a respectful conversation but what makes it good is the level of intelligence and challenge of the more relevant questions rather then questions like why God doesnt like alcohol.
Also, you can see the respect between Ali and Mohammed. Ali knows this area is Mohammeds to cover and lets him take it as when Mohammed steps back in other discussion where a more confronting style as Alis are needed
In the same context : if u believe in one god and prophet mohamed to be the final prophet u can also get eternal reward in the form of paradise
With little effort about 60 years of life time.
We Muslim always forget the one most important things that the commandment of "do not speak about something which you have know knowledge of". This is not a intellectual debate rather a debate to change someone's point view,whom just disagree with every agreement even the argument makes sense just so that he can keep this point of view intect.
This is a really small discussion to explain very quickly. Allah is Marcyfull Allah is also Just, Allah is the true creator & only He has every right to do whatever he wants with his Creation.If Allah decides that disbeliever are going to ethernal hellfire it's He has every right to do so.He is the one and only who set the rules and we are simply here to obey.
Arrogance causes people to question what they know to be true. It's simple really, belief in the unseen or don't... Hell and heaven, hot & cold, eternal punishment or eternal paradise.
I'm Muslim and you know What Allah call himself as a Just God so if People asked themselves if he is Truly Just and Fair it's fine ????
إن الله لا يظلم الناس شياء ولكن الناس أنفسهم يظلمون
He " Allah" repeats in his Quran Couple of times that verse
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20:05 😂😂😂😂 Ali Dawah and Hijab Allahumabarik