Not even close. Genesis had two front men who went on to great things as solo artists. AC/DC unfortunately had one die and the other????@@anthonyanderson9303
Theyre great friends, Phil was Petes drummer on his solo tour, a session player on his third album, Pete sang on Phils third album and Phil was Petes best man at his wedding. If anyone pushed Peter out of Genesis passive aggressively it wouldve been Tony Banks.
Phil was great with Genesis but nothing will ever replace the original Genesis Peter Gabriel years. If you were listening to UKProg at this time, you know exactly what I mean. From America 🫶🏻
I think the Phil direction got them a lot more mainstream play. I like their songs well enough when they're on the radio. But it's Peter's stuff that brings me to a dead stop and sends chills up my spine.
Exactly this! Phil's front man era does nothing for me but if catapulted them into the mainstream which is brilliant. Peter's era was always so much more musically invigorating and creative
@@somedutchguy7582 I think it’s one of Pete’s greatest moments. I can imagine him, back end of beyond, on tour, some remote South American town & over the stereo, in the gents Phil’s singing ‘take a look at me now’!
Genesis definitely became more mainstream and "radio friendly" after Phil Collins took over as lead singer; but it was a major step backwards when it came to the artistry of the music. We started out with Nursery Cryme, Foxtrot, Selling England by the Pound, and The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway and eventually ended up with We Can't Dance.
A trick of the tail, wind and wuthering, duke are all fantastic albums. Even stuff from abacab, self titled and invisible touch are outstanding. Phil is not the issue.
The artistry never left, it takes a lot of talent to compose really good bangers like Genesis did in the 80's. Think about most of the 70's prog bands that tried to went pop in the 80's, almost none of them hit the charts like Genesis did. Even Gabriel succeed becoming mainstream.
It wasn't a step backward, at that Point in time you go big or get buried. And they went big. They had to reinvent themselves, surely can't do another supper's ready in 1988
I definitely enjoy the Gabriel years better, but a lot of that has to do with hackett being there....... They just got a little bit too commercial in the eighties for me.
literally the statement just before this clip of Peter he talks about how his child was in an incubator for a month and the band didn't really have any care at that time for family things, nor did he appreciate their not understanding why he would prioritize his child over genesis. He was ALSO offered opportunities to "revolutionize Hollywood".
Peter Gabriel IS One Exceptionnel compositeur...Never iforget Concerts...since 🇨🇭. ( 50 ans que j' ai eu l'immense Émotion d' écouter et voir Genesis en concert- live. With Best Wishes for Alls
Wow its almost like a yesterday I went to a concert of Genesis with Eugene and Peter walked out had no clue who he was 😀 very young nieve girl i was. 1977 I believe
The whole of Genesis from beginning to end puts them in the same conversation as Floyd, Zeppelin, Who, Stones, Beatles and Moody Blues. Who among them, produced a star like Collins? To outdo a talent like Justin Hayward is amazing.
No other band besides the Beatles pulled off what Genesis did but in reverse order. Beatles started pop and went into a more progressive sound. Genesis started progressive and went more pop.
I love Genesis! Feels like we are living Suppers Ready & this being the year of the Dragon I’m just waiting for them to show up “shimmering silver head of wisdom looking at me” lol❤
I wouldn't say that much. Good as they may be, they're not at the same level as the previous albums from Nursery Cryme to The Lamb. Something essential to the balance of all ingredients has been lost. Those Genesis albums from 1971 to 1974 are one of the compositional peaks in modern music from any perspective.
Peter and Phil two of the greats in rock history. Genesis was a powerhouse and an all star band. Legends. Let’s not forget Banks, Rutherford, and Hackett
I love Genesis who ever is frontman,but for me Peter Gabriel's time being front man for Genesis is my favourite time of listening to music,TLLDOB is the greatest album ever made,,some may have other favourites but me 50 years on its still my favourite,not just of Genesis but all albums,I am quite literally obsessed with it,"John is drifting out of sight" but not totally,😂😇
It's a fairly well-known fact that when Phil Collins became the lead singer of Genesis, he tried to sing the way Peter Gabriel did. They auditioned other singers, but Phil's singing was closer to Peter's than anyone else's was.
Phil Collins did not take over -- if you mean that he took over control of the band. He did take over the lead vocals though. A lot of people don't really understand the inner dynamics of Genesis. People often assume, rightly or wrongly, that whoever does the most singing does the most songwroting and bosses the rest of the band around. That was never the case with Genesis.
Gabriel was an immense artist who went on to be a phenomenally innovative talent and champion of World Music Collins didn't he chose to remain a tosser
So many people keep crediting & / or blaming only Phil Collins for what Genesis did following the departure of Peter Gabriel, but that's ignorant. Tony Banks was clearly the dominant songwriter in Genesis for at least a couple of albums after Pete's exit. Eventually, Phil became equal to Mike Rutherford & Tony Banks in terms of songwriting in Genesis. However, Phil was rarely if ever the band's dominant songwriter, and he was certainly never the boss of the band.
One of the most tired arguments is that Phil Collins ruined Genesis and led them to pop. Two facts: 1. Genesis' first album was a blatant attempt to break into the pop genre. 2. Phil wanted to turn the band into an instrumental act like Mahavishnu Orchestra. Bonus fact: I have grown to love every song that Genesis did… Though admittedly some more than others 😊
A video about something that happened nearly 50 years ago, the facts of which are well-known and well documented. Why imply that this is some kind of new revelation? (excuse the pun).
Years ago Peter said he and his wife had a new baby and he couldn't do it all and invest all the time while being a father too. That's why it was sort of abrupt. The baby came into the equation. That's how I heard him tell it. They're both great and not that similar in singing voice. You can like one or the other, or both. I like both. I didn't get my first record till seconds out.
Lamb líes down on Broadway, It was clear that something in the ways I Was mouved. In fact the cafre has just for another LP. After a trick of the tale. They was empty. And. All they've done is exploting the remaining staff. But Gabriel was doing "Pasión" waw. Oh no you cant win a partir to english and pretend theres nothing happent and everithing is ok
They never argued, there's also a photo of the lm at the end of such concert hugging each other. If anything, It was Banks Who had something against Gabriel
Genesis & Journey - the early albums are filled with great songs that challenged the musical norms and received little radio support...the record execs wanted "hits" and both groups delivered by replacing lead singers. IMHO it was a huge step backwards for the listener who had supported them prior to the change. Trick of The Tail & Infinity don't have the same gravitas as the earlier work. Listen to Journey's first album and compare that to any of the Perry years...night and day
Always felt the opposite personally, I really dislike all the post-Gabriel music because I just love that early prog sound that they had and am not keen on the pop aspect. Glad Collins was able to take control and do the music he wanted regardless, all while Peter Gabriel could continue his own path.
@@matty4351 Phil did not take control. Phil, Tony, Mike, and Steve continued Genesis without Pete. Those 4 wrote & recorded 2 studio albums. Then, after Steve left, Tony, Phil, & Mike continued Genesis. They wrote and recorded 6 more studio albums. Then after Phil left, Tony Banks & Mike Rutherford continued Genesis. They wrote and recorded another studio album.
Genesis was way better and more successful with phil collins that invisible touch album sold that most out of there early stuff phil collins was the better singer to more successful solo artist to
Never has a band been so blessed by two fantastic front men.
AC DC?
Not even close. Genesis had two front men who went on to great things as solo artists. AC/DC unfortunately had one die and the other????@@anthonyanderson9303
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Theyre great friends, Phil was Petes drummer on his solo tour, a session player on his third album, Pete sang on Phils third album and Phil was Petes best man at his wedding. If anyone pushed Peter out of Genesis passive aggressively it wouldve been Tony Banks.
I think it was more than Tony Banks, but I'm sure the Rutherford, and Hackett were probably relieved in some fashion .
So can you confirm you heard Peter's voice on "Take me home" along with Sting's, please?!? :-?
There is still no comparison, Peter Gabriel era Genesis is incomparable and genius!
He was at the genesis of Genesis 😂
Well that was Gabriel, Banks and Rutherford
Only Gabriel
They should have renamed themselves in Exodus after he left
Phil was great with Genesis but nothing will ever replace the original Genesis Peter Gabriel years. If you were listening to UKProg at this time, you know exactly what I mean. From America 🫶🏻
Creative differences are common but parting on good terms and maintaining a relationship over the decades is something to be acknowledged
I think the Phil direction got them a lot more mainstream play. I like their songs well enough when they're on the radio.
But it's Peter's stuff that brings me to a dead stop and sends chills up my spine.
Exactly this! Phil's front man era does nothing for me but if catapulted them into the mainstream which is brilliant. Peter's era was always so much more musically invigorating and creative
‘I can’t take a piss without hearing Phil Collins’
Peter Gabriel, sometime in the 1980s.
Lmao 😂
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Well, to be fair, in the 1980's Phill Collins was so ubiquitous, *nobody* could take a piss without hearing him.
@@somedutchguy7582 I think it’s one of Pete’s greatest moments. I can imagine him, back end of beyond, on tour, some remote South American town & over the stereo, in the gents Phil’s singing ‘take a look at me now’!
@@philipbunney9445 it definitely is the kind of lopsided humour I would expect from Peter.
Genesis definitely became more mainstream and "radio friendly" after Phil Collins took over as lead singer; but it was a major step backwards when it came to the artistry of the music. We started out with Nursery Cryme, Foxtrot, Selling England by the Pound, and The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway and eventually ended up with We Can't Dance.
A trick of the tail, wind and wuthering, duke are all fantastic albums. Even stuff from abacab, self titled and invisible touch are outstanding. Phil is not the issue.
The artistry never left, it takes a lot of talent to compose really good bangers like Genesis did in the 80's. Think about most of the 70's prog bands that tried to went pop in the 80's, almost none of them hit the charts like Genesis did. Even Gabriel succeed becoming mainstream.
It wasn't a step backward, at that Point in time you go big or get buried. And they went big. They had to reinvent themselves, surely can't do another supper's ready in 1988
I definitely enjoy the Gabriel years better, but a lot of that has to do with hackett being there....... They just got a little bit too commercial in the eighties for me.
Not until Steve Hackett left, the everything took a 180° turn.
I wish I could meet Peter Gabriel in person!! That would be a bucket list moment for sure😢
So glad he went solo! Love Phil AND Peter! ❤❤❤
Two of the greatest Frontmen ever
Not
I always thought how funny it is, that Gabriel and Collins have such similar voices
They are both amazing
Right on
Exactly.
Love them both beauutiful singers ❤❤❤
literally the statement just before this clip of Peter he talks about how his child was in an incubator for a month and the band didn't really have any care at that time for family things, nor did he appreciate their not understanding why he would prioritize his child over genesis. He was ALSO offered opportunities to "revolutionize Hollywood".
Peter Gabriel IS One Exceptionnel compositeur...Never iforget Concerts...since 🇨🇭. ( 50 ans que j' ai eu l'immense Émotion d' écouter et voir Genesis en concert- live. With Best Wishes for Alls
Wow its almost like a yesterday I went to a concert of Genesis with Eugene and Peter walked out had no clue who he was 😀 very young nieve girl i was. 1977 I believe
The whole of Genesis from beginning to end puts them in the same conversation as Floyd, Zeppelin, Who, Stones, Beatles and Moody Blues. Who among them, produced a star like Collins? To outdo a talent like Justin Hayward is amazing.
No other band besides the Beatles pulled off what Genesis did but in reverse order. Beatles started pop and went into a more progressive sound. Genesis started progressive and went more pop.
I love Genesis! Feels like we are living Suppers Ready & this being the year of the Dragon I’m just waiting for them to show up “shimmering silver head of wisdom looking at me” lol❤
I like that he’s not jealous of Phil’s success. Trick of the tail and wind and the wuthering were the peak of genesis
I wouldn't say that much. Good as they may be, they're not at the same level as the previous albums from Nursery Cryme to The Lamb. Something essential to the balance of all ingredients has been lost.
Those Genesis albums from 1971 to 1974 are one of the compositional peaks in modern music from any perspective.
Peter and Phil two of the greats in rock history. Genesis was a powerhouse and an all star band. Legends. Let’s not forget Banks, Rutherford, and Hackett
Peter Gabriel era Genesis is incomparable and epic!
Peter Gabriel was the centre of what Genesis was. Phil Collins made something else out of it. Different band.
Gabriel's Genesis is the only one I listen to. Collins' Genesis; with the exception of maybe 2 songs is pop catered to the masses
@@tortoiseslayer8that's a very ignorant and one-minded reasoning
I love Genesis who ever is frontman,but for me Peter Gabriel's time being front man for Genesis is my favourite time of listening to music,TLLDOB is the greatest album ever made,,some may have other favourites but me 50 years on its still my favourite,not just of Genesis but all albums,I am quite literally obsessed with it,"John is drifting out of sight" but not totally,😂😇
It's a fairly well-known fact that when Phil Collins became the lead singer of Genesis, he tried to sing the way Peter Gabriel did. They auditioned other singers, but Phil's singing was closer to Peter's than anyone else's was.
I mean, Phil and Peter did work with each other again in Peters Melt Album Phil providing drums for songs like Intruder and Biko
I love Peter
They were more pissed off that Hackett left
Phil Collins did not take over -- if you mean that he took over control of the band. He did take over the lead vocals though.
A lot of people don't really understand the inner dynamics of Genesis. People often assume, rightly or wrongly, that whoever does the most singing does the most songwroting and bosses the rest of the band around. That was never the case with Genesis.
The carpet Crawlers heed no warning, you gotta be crule to be kind, you gotta be crule to be kind, you gotta be crule , to be kind
Gabriel should have took the mike for the last ever Genesis tour. That would have been worth seeing 😊
Why do we need highlighted CAPTIONS??
Because we are all pushing 70 and have cataracts I expect.
@@Tailspin80 We have captions as an option from the menu
@@saintetienne755 Yes, but you don’t get the all important highlights in Trump-themed colours.
@@Tailspin80 huh?
The otherworldly or ancient chronic sound was Genesis
Gabriel was an immense artist who went on to be a phenomenally innovative talent and champion of World Music
Collins didn't he chose to remain a tosser
So many people keep crediting & / or blaming only Phil Collins for what Genesis did following the departure of Peter Gabriel, but that's ignorant. Tony Banks was clearly the dominant songwriter in Genesis for at least a couple of albums after Pete's exit.
Eventually, Phil became equal to Mike Rutherford & Tony Banks in terms of songwriting in Genesis. However, Phil was rarely if ever the band's dominant songwriter, and he was certainly never the boss of the band.
One of the most tired arguments is that Phil Collins ruined Genesis and led them to pop.
Two facts:
1. Genesis' first album was a blatant attempt to break into the pop genre.
2. Phil wanted to turn the band into an instrumental act like Mahavishnu Orchestra.
Bonus fact: I have grown to love every song that Genesis did… Though admittedly some more than others 😊
Phil was invited, didn't know what he was getting into.
A video about something that happened nearly 50 years ago, the facts of which are well-known and well documented. Why imply that this is some kind of new revelation? (excuse the pun).
all old news
Why I HATE P.C. ! EVERY TIME I WON'T TO LISTEN TO PETER GABRIEL, I HAVE TO HEAR P.C !!, (🎉 He's just Peter's drummer ! ) 😮🎉
P.C. had more success with Genesis and as a solo artist.
Peter Gabriel looks like trey Parker
Years ago Peter said he and his wife had a new baby and he couldn't do it all and invest all the time while being a father too.
That's why it was sort of abrupt.
The baby came into the equation.
That's how I heard him tell it.
They're both great and not that similar in singing voice.
You can like one or the other, or both.
I like both.
I didn't get my first record till seconds out.
Just b4 and just after "Abacab", by mind, I thought they'd go under! They ralied! I was so proud!!
didn't Phil play on Melt and other Peter Gabrial material? Pretty sure they're are cool both are masters
I really wish Peter went out to do a duet with Phil during the last two numbers from his era.
Always liked Genesis!! Peter Gabriel's solo work tho is really strong, but his song Sledgehammer is ridiculously good & underrated imo
Lamb líes down on Broadway, It was clear that something in the ways I
Was mouved. In fact the cafre has just for another LP. After a trick of the tale. They was empty. And. All they've done is exploting the remaining staff.
But Gabriel was doing "Pasión" waw. Oh no you cant win a partir to english and pretend theres nothing happent and everithing is ok
That's not their personaity
I only wish Floyd could've gotten along as well as Genesis. Very similar transformations in both groups but one was cordial and the other adversarial.
What Happened to you Music, you use to be cool...
Yes, Gabriel was there on their tour, but he didn't have the balls to get up there and do a song!😂
They never argued, there's also a photo of the lm at the end of such concert hugging each other. If anything, It was Banks Who had something against Gabriel
Peter's Genesis is great! But, I like Wind more than Lamb.
Genesis & Journey - the early albums are filled with great songs that challenged the musical norms and received little radio support...the record execs wanted "hits" and both groups delivered by replacing lead singers. IMHO it was a huge step backwards for the listener who had supported them prior to the change. Trick of The Tail & Infinity don't have the same gravitas as the earlier work.
Listen to Journey's first album and compare that to any of the Perry years...night and day
Genesis is the worst band out there. You couldn't pay me to take one of their CDs.
then why do you come here and waste your time writing comments )))
Never liked the Gabriel version of Genesis It's just too weird for me.
Always felt the opposite personally, I really dislike all the post-Gabriel music because I just love that early prog sound that they had and am not keen on the pop aspect. Glad Collins was able to take control and do the music he wanted regardless, all while Peter Gabriel could continue his own path.
@@matty4351
Phil did not take control. Phil, Tony, Mike, and Steve continued Genesis without Pete. Those 4 wrote & recorded 2 studio albums.
Then, after Steve left, Tony, Phil, & Mike continued Genesis. They wrote and recorded 6 more studio albums.
Then after Phil left, Tony Banks & Mike Rutherford continued Genesis. They wrote and recorded another studio album.
I ❤ the entire career of Genesis from 1967 all the way to their retirements.
*ASÍ COMIENZAN LOS CHAMBRES*
Genesis was way better and more successful with phil collins that invisible touch album sold that most out of there early stuff phil collins was the better singer to more successful solo artist to
Well if you measure the quality of a musical band by the sale's numbers than Bad Bunny is the greatest of all! 😂
Too bad Gabriel's latest record is utter shite.
Phil Collins went throuh Epstein Island
Are you sure about that?
FYI.... I am anything but a Phil Collins fan.... could never stand the guy and have always thought his music was overrated.
Source?
@@spark556 Trump 😂
If you think about it. Rock stars should be exempt.
@@solutioninsearchofaproblem2402 Joker 😂
Gabriel is highly over-rated!