Why Japanese Street Fighter Pros Are Faster
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- čas přidán 25. 07. 2024
- Reactions are constantly being tested in fighting games and in Street Fighter, the dash is one of the most common ways of testing your opponent's reactions. With the Hitbox controller, also known as leverless or all-button controller, players have found a faster way to perform the dash input. Japanese players like Tokido, Daigo, and Kawano have adopted this, and the rest of the world is slowly starting to catch up. In this video, I go through what the "Hitbox dash" is, why it's good, and teach you how to actually perform it for yourself. In the past, arcade sticks, playstation dualshock 4 pads, and PC Gaming Keyboards have been the way to go, but leverless controllers may be the future.
What do you think of the Hit Box? Interested in picking one up? Would you pick this over a pad or an arcade stick? Comment below!!
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This video is crazily well made
:o big fan
Looking at Tokido video. Daigo was truly the beast at that time. He won the cpt qualifier and shock the world with his footsie. It was after the fact he got wash on Topanga that year and he want to change his game after that. Sad to see Capcom Cup that time didn't materialise. He injured his finger and play on lever controller but still thrash Gachikun at that time.
all button is definitely better for sure. I don't think anyone can argue otherwise.
I still will never switch because fighting games and sticks are a nostalgia thing for me. I just want to re-live the arcade days. I'm not trying to win evo or reach the absolute top of the online ranks.
Exactly my sentiments on the matter. I love traditional arcade sticks
And this is why you'll always be third rate in fighting games, because you strive for mediocrity instead of striving for excellence.🤣
@@shinbakihanma2749 k. Already said I don't care 🤣
here's a tough pill for you to swallow, be ready to get your mind blown: for scrubs like you and me it doesn't matter what controller we use
@@OmnipotentO WHOA! Dont lump me in with underachievers like yourself. YOURE the only scrub here.
til that old wrist start lockin up then you need something more ergonomic
Really cool video! I figured they knew something I didn't lol...well I'm just a casual and play for fun but I appreciate how you went into detail showing how this works.
gr8 video, i wish u do a part 2 where u explain how special are input between hitbox and a stick
Excellent, high-quality video. I subbed. Keep up the good work!
Very informative video, thanks!
I think this is your best video so far. Nice!
Ok Nephew. Look it you, bringing some quality content. I'm impress.
Excellent video nephew keep it up
Great video Neph!
Great video nephew! Keep it up 👍
I didn’t want to have to get a lever less controller, but your explanation is legitimate on why I should switch.
Thanks for the detailed break down
Great explanation!
Very informative. Would not be suprised if more lever-less controllers come out... Mad Catz coming out of retirement lol
Sony playstation just released their own official leverless for PS5. Made by victrix
great vid nephew
Thank you.
I didn't know about the SOCD.
Love this. Got a sub. Ty!
Can you do a video on dps that would be really interesting to see whether or not hitbox makes it easier
im glad I went from pad to hitbox so I never had to struggle with staying with stick or not. I'd like to try it one day but I honestly have no idea how it feels at this point. I've had my hitbox for a bit over a year and at this point there's no inputs I'm worried about. kof forced me to get used to half circles and multiple rapid quarter circles in different directions. chizuru optimization didn't come easy but I got there lol. And I didn't know about half this stuff when I got it, it just seemed like it'd obviously offer more precision. tbh, at that time I didn't even know joysticks had the little nooks to catch the stick and make directions easier.
excellent video!
I also am not used to joystick. I tried Hitbox control layout on a keyboard. It's difficult at first but when it clicks it's really fun to play with the movements. What is a good entry level leverless controller, and one of the best in your opinion?
Way way back in SF4 era, i modded a madcatz controller to be a hitbox. Had to create a new faceplate and rewire the inside to use my own buttons. It was such a HUGE difference that I couldn't turn back. Only downside is since I made it custom to my hands, i can't exactly buy a manufactured hitbox now, as the layout is cramped compared to what I'm used to. Still, my old hitbox works just fine so I'll use it till it dies.
If you decide to upgrade, AllFightSticks (the basis of a majority of custom fightsticks nowadays) can make custom layouts to your liking. They can also make you an acrylic to match and provide you with a custom art template via FocusAttack. So, when AFS isn’t super swamped with orders (give it a week or two minimum), I’d send them an email with pictures and references of your layout and see if they can help!
yeahhh! interesting SOCD concept
Godlike video!!!!! 🔥🔥
great vid
Because of the dash benefit, I don't think Tokido will go back to stick, especially hitbox is very compact for tournament. Double-tap dash then instantly charge, that require some practice, it's two hands work.
I play hitbox as well and one of the disadvantages of the hitbox is that they're not optimized for older games so games like classic SF, KOF or KI are actually harder, input leniency of modern games is what allows hitboxes to thrive, I wonder if at some point devs will hard code things like 1 frame delays into the motion inputs or disable some typical HB shortcuts.
but you can electric 10/10 times if ur execution is decrent lmao
bought my hit box 2 weeks ago and disappointed on how easy it was to use, my execution on arcade stick was something I’m proud of, this controller is just unfair 🫡
@@pastorr6989 what are you talking about? execution on hitbox is not easy, maybe some basic things might be easier than on stick, but you have so many techniques with double taping, and alternate right and left hand, super jumps, double pianoing with both hands, also the multiple shorcuts you can only do on hitbox, you have to practice all of that, condition your left hand, and then use it in a real match, I think you're tripping or you don't really have a hitbox.
@@KusanagiMotoko100 once you have practiced enough with a hitbox, you will see how fast inputs come out compared to using a fightstick. for me to wavu wavu side -step hellsweep on stick i need to use my thumb to push up after 2 crouch dashes, on hitbox, you can do that shit pretty much instantly. on hitbox the input for downfoward is a tap compared to using a lever and PUSHING it into downfoward. giving it a more accurate/easier timing for df and 2 at the same time. of course you must know how to use the hitbox and its a lot of work, but not as much as a fightstick imo. not saying i am against hitboxes because used a keyboard to play fighting games for months before i could afford a real fightstick. also it would be very sad seeing a top 8 evo with everyone using hitboxes, doubt that would ever happen, but who knows lmao. maybe im jus a hater
@@KusanagiMotoko100 just to prove my point further, watch this video czcams.com/video/t88tAvQHSNQ/video.html
Awesome video! I am a beginner and have a couple of questions. Is Steam the only way to install the Street Fighter 5 on PC? On Steam, do we have to pay for fighting other players like on PlayStation (PlayStation Network)?
yeah it's only on steam as far as I know, you don't have to pay for online, just the game
Good vid
It’s maybe wrong to explain how to forward dash at 2p side, because Tokido usually uses piano pushing(double taps with right hand of index finger and middle one)
Does going from 120hz and 1f of delay to 170hz and 0.93f really make that much of a difference? I have a 165hz monitor but prefer to play on 120hz bc the game feels much smoother and less like it's on crack lol. Plus, i also get screen tearing at 165hz that I cant seem to get rid of with any combination of Vsync+Gsync tec on/off.
yeah i wouldn’t think that’s a big difference, 144 to 240 is noticeable but not huge
I spent a bunch of time in the early 2000s playing Neo Geo games on emulators, using my keyboard. It was quite the learning experience, with some real advantages, so I can definitely imagine hitboxes being optimal. I'd probably still want a crossup though...
Weird enough, i think many KoF fans been using keyboards.
Maybe because it was mostly available thru emulators.
Them SnK desperation moves are difficult to pull off
I'm dying to see a match up between kawano and nephew..
2 of the best kolins in the world..
Who do you think has the edge in this one?
Where can I find Nephew's fightstick to buy?
the amounts of players with a hitbox/button box/leverless in top evo was really suprising at the beginning to me, we usually watch tons of arcade and pad players and some hitbox here and there but this evo i get the impresion every 2 matches there was at least 1 hitbox/leverless controller on stage
Well it wasnt the case for years tho, like 10 years or so u barely see leverless in tournaments compared to stick and pad. Just recently somehow ppl realized its power i guess, or they know already gut dont want to take effort to switch.
More people are using it, the higher the chance we see them in top evo. Also why looking at tournaments for tier lists can be shaky.
Is there 4 of that character in top 8 because it's the best in the game. Or that the best players are using it.
I’ve been seeing after market buttons on hit boxes. What did you mod yours with? I’ve heard of some being called finger something buttons.
i have gamerfinger buttons
@@NephewDork where did u got them from? Ive heard theyre hard to get
which leverless controller do you recommend?
Nice vid. Do you double tap with two different fingers? Would love to hear advice about how to switch to hitbox from a pro, I'm trying to switch now.
welp, it's right in the second half of the vid. Nice.
Does this controller help zangief?
Isnt socd banned from tournament?
You never felt the need to add two more buttons for Drive Parry and Drive Impact? Like daigo has now?
cool video nephew! I see that you modded your hitbox controller, was it hard to do? Would you share resources you've used to learn how to do that? Thanks!
all i did was replace the buttons with silent buttons, should be able to look it up on youtube. just use a screwdriver to take out the back and then you might need pliers to detach the wires the first time
@@NephewDork sweet thank you! keep up the good work, big fan!
@@NephewDork the buttons are still the 24mm ones right? I ask bc stuff like double tapping with the stock Santa buttons feel way harder to do than on the regular 30mm ones
@@ahadkhan3486 yes, those are Gamerfinger 24mm buttons
Man, playing on a stick for 30+ years feels like a bite in the butt now... I don't know if my brain could make the switch to button controlled movement!
i play on WASD mixbox and often find myself wishing i had a jump button for things like instant air dashes in gg. but in tekken its perfection cuz its intuitive stepping wise. so i think the most optimal controller would be something like a shift+WASD+space mixbox. which is really just a keyboard actually
GGST is a game that let's you bind the dash button. Makes it even faster. I can do instant air dashes from jump for some good mixes. Highly recommend trying it out. Takes some getting used to though.
Just get a hitbox
@@Gazunda i use dash macro a lot, i play gio. but i kinda hate having it with my attack buttons. i was talking about having an up input on my left thumb like on a hitbox, but also a left pinky button for dash macro like shift on keyboard. i just feel like that layout could be optimal for a lot of games
I still appreciate the hitbox location for up in Tekken due to how crouch recovery sidestep canceling feels. Looping Dragunov's d2 feels nice
Did Evo not ban that cheatbox for SF6?
it's crazy that it took y'all 25 fucking years to adopt the keyboard
Till they hear about crt monitors😂 i got one from 1997 and its pretty mint.
Nerds!!! LOL! Let’s get it, I’m thinking of trying it out but worried I won’t like it. I know I dislike Fight Pad.
i think this is the future of fighting games. arcade sticks are iconic and its a shame cause alot of people, including myself, spent thousands on arcade sticks only for them to not be optimal anymore.
Dr. Tokido ?
Why do you think so few of the Japanese players have used Laura?
So hitbox is the most optimal controller to use for fighting games
Where I can I buy one for ps5?
Can't unless you mod a Brock PS5 adapter
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Didn't you review that match
Where tokido was been bait into low med- tatsu
Didn't tokido won on Topanga after for the rematch anyways in a lever controller ?
i don’t think tokido was talking about kemonomichi, he was saying stand mk to light tatsu
@@NephewDork
Em no bro I'm talking about the one tokido v daigo
The one they had like a year after diago beat tokido in a long set
Now I'm not sure if it was you but you are the only Chanel I thinks actually analyze matches
And in that comparison ( if it was you ) you were calling how daigo will bait tokido into LMK into tatsu
And how he adapted for Topanga
Well none the less it's very interesting to see tokido adopted
A whole new device to play after studying the game of other players
gud vid bruh
I want a Hitbox crossplay. I want the option to try certain things out but I don’t want completely leverless. I understand the appeal but I don’t get paid for gaming so I’ll stick to what I know. I love arcade stick
it is the corked bat of fighting games....pros looking for an edge are basically introducing many cheap tactics for an edge....in reality it is cheap. But hey that happens in all pro game scenes...using cheap exploits to win....modded controllers...what ever happened to just getting good with actual skill and practice....pro gaming is reaching way to far for dollars....nothing like hitting that quarter circle and feeling that HadoKen smack your enemy in the gut then closing up with a Shoryuken with a precise flick of the wrist. I'll pass on the tappy tapping...but hey pros will be "pros"...lol peace guy. Catch you in battle when the game drops.
@@TheHasaan279 is this copypasta
@john dewberry III You can get custom button panels that include both a stick and the hitbox layout at AFS(AllFightSticks, highly recommend), they're called hitsticks iirc.
@@TheHasaan279 goofy
What controller is tokidos??
He plays hitbox nowadays
At EVO it looked like some sort of modded leverless controller. I don't think its a standard readily available option you can purchase. I could be wrong, though.
@@markmononoke7672 wasnt what tokido used just a hitbox?
Tokido's controller is created by punkworkshop and custom button.
I knew this 10 years before but all the player said „no“ its just a personal thing to play good. And some pro s would even play with ps3 and ps4 stick
The real difference between lever and leverless is the mechanical limitation of lever controllers that act as a natural SOCD prevention.
The fact that leverless requires SOCD scrubbers/cleaners at a software level means it already has a clear window of exploitation.
Woooa
Wish these lever-less sticks didn't hurt my wrist so much.
get a different model with bigger buttons and more space between the hands, or a ergobox. i'll never understand why the basic hitbox is so cramped
Hitbox dash looks like somthing out of a tas
Sf6 is getting a dash macro anyway don't y'all think? If that happens this difference becomes null
there is no sign of this happening
You got no loyalty navajo
wait no go back i want to know how to optimize my setup
pc, 240+ hz monitor, overclock controller to 1000hz
justin wong uses a hitbox.
One thing is that "there are some inputs that the Lever control does slightly better", that is the "half circle input", examples are "yoga fire" on dhalsim or a "DP from a guarding (backward) position", and the "consecutive quarter-circle inputs", such as CA inputs in many shoto characters.
I would like to mention Mago still says "You don't need to switch to Hitbox to reach the top level, unless you're using a charge character".
Hitbox actually has so many tricks/shortcuts that make all of these inputs faster than on stick, I don't think lever has a single advantage other than being extremely satisfying to use. If you look at the hitbox channels' playlists, theres one going over the various shortcuts that I'd never thought about being possible
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Hitbox is just a fancy keyboard 😭😭
Why not just use a touchscreen. then its 0.0 mm travel for a button press & can be setup to any pressure for the button to go off.
Yeah punk was right. That really is the "cheatbox"
Absolutely
In my opinion its laughable that keyboards are not allowed (or simply can't be used due to setup) at tournaments. It's the easiest way to emulate leverless setups for the majority of people and works perfectly. Also hard to understand why people simply disregard the keyboard as a viable option to play - because that's what it is - everyone already owns a hitbox :)
i remember playing mvc1 on MAME like 13 yrs ago on my keyboard cuz i had no other way to play fighting games and even back then i immediately felt a difference and precision i never got with stick or controller. levers seem so primitive now lmao
It might be one day, the best reason to allow hitbox is that it emulates the most accessible controller rn which is KB.
This guy sounds like Tina from bob's burgers
What sucks is bothering to go through all the steps to optimize input latency, but you're still stuck with the garbage experience that is playing SFV over the internet. Really hoping VI has good rollback implementation.
BAN HITBOX
Cheatbox all the way. This video only analyzed the sheer speed of the input, but that's only a fraction of it's power. Precision. Abusing the SOCD priority and Neutrals. The fact that it's all face buttons also means frame perfect inputs involving directionals and an attack can be done with one hand eliminating the challenge altogether.
Overall, it just abuses balance that was intended by the game developers. Charge attacks have the properties they do with the idea that they must be charged. You bypass the intended buffers by using the cheatbox. Frame perfect inputs like electrics in Tekken are hard to input on a levered input (Lever with 2 hands) and as such, have incredibly good properties. The cheatbox makes Kazuya's perfect electrics even easier to input than his regular one. So why does the perfect version have better properties? Because Tekken has always been balanced around a levered controller and has never had to deal with a controller that cheats.
SOCD cleaning and priority is merely a setting for the cheatbox, and it will only output to the game whatever you want it to. So there's no programming against it to prevent these advantages. It's nothing short of a macro to get the intended inputs you want.
I'm not saying you can't win, or that it's even that big a deal. But I am saying, you brought a metal bat to an MLB game where they traditionally use wooden ones. The entire field, it's dimensions and standards for homeruns were designed with wooden bats in mind. You'd be cheating using a metal one.
this is the future old man
@@neoillogic basicslly lol. I dont see they will ban hitbox too as it would mean to ban pad also.
What they can do just fix button priority to 1st button prio, like james chen said. At least it will get rid of the socd cleaning advantage.
About more precise and faster movement tho? Well just like u said, the future is now 😂😂
Imagine defending a trash controller like the arcade stick just because you don't like the actual optimal controller for fighting games.
Movement is so important in fighting games, yet fgc boomers insist on using the most asinine way of doing it, which is the stick (which is ridiculous, considering most fighting games are 2D).
What I like is that you don't even realize how much better a regular PS4 controller is than an arcade stick and the fact it can also use SOCD tricks by employing its d-pad and joystick at the same time. You're so focused on "cheatboxes" you don't realize you have been getting fucked by console controllers for a long time
Yet another reason why I'm never getting back into fighting games, no matter how much I may want to. I refure to have to worry about milliseconds
why not just use keyboard duh
Cause they watch too much javs!!
I still feel like a WASD Mixbox layout is still better
It actually isn't though. You have to dedicate two buttons to one finger, whereas with the standard Hitbox layout you have a finger (or in up's case two fingers) to hit any direction. This is particularly useful since it allows you to 1f Flash Kick, and also gives you access to shortcuts like the 3f SRK.
@@Mufnman64 You can do those things on WASD layout as well. For me it's just more intuitive having the "up" button above the other directions
@@fonzworthbentley7455 You definitely could do those things, but it would require you awkwardly position your hand. The SRK shortcut requires you piano and hold foward>down>Up+P. You would have to reposition your index or ring finger to do that. The same would apply to doing a flash kick input. Due to how the game reads inputs you can skip the neutral input completely on a controller by continuing to hold down while hitting Up+K.
At the end of the day it is best to play on what you are most comfortable on, but if we are talking about which controller is objectively better between the Mixbox and the Hitbox, then the Hitbox has all the advantages of the Mixbox, and is in a much more ergonomic form.
@@Mufnman64 I think you may be overcomplicating the shoryuken, I can already do it perfectly fine using the 121 shortcut
@@fonzworthbentley7455 the input 639+P input is faster because you don't have to release any buttons while inputting it. If perfectly done each input should only take a frame each. There are a few videos here on CZcams that go over this method, but it is exclusive to SF4 and SF5
This video literally started the great hitbox migration and for some reason you will never get proper credit for it.
I think for Tekken these should be banned from competitive.
CHEATING! ITS CHEATING! REEE! xd
What is this turbo controller xd
Why is tokido wearing a doctors outfit
Bc that mf is always putting on a clinic
He is doing experiments, so he is cosplaying a scientist
@@charliericker274 hahahahah
funny thing, everyone told me I was an idiot 20 years ago for using this. And when the double perfect popped up I was cheap :D
They need to ban Hitbox asap in tournaments otherwise everyone will end up getting a Hitbox that takes away the joy of using a lever. Maybe I'm gonna have to go play Tekken where everyone uses a joysyick.
any keyboard warrior?
cheatbox...
Stop...
Ask idom almost destroy all Japanese gods with a ps pad what about that ?
The huge input lag of the Playstation used on EVO neglects much of the input speed benefits of the hitbox when compared to PC. Just see how hard was checking iDom's Thunder Clap on reaction. Not taking any merit from iDom excellent gameplay, but being under Thunder Clap cover was fundamental for his pressure, and that just wouldn't have happened had EVO being disputed on PC.
@@ok-tchau so....best solution, increase input lag so all controllers mostly closer to being equal xD. SFV was the future all this time xD
So...cheating
Hitbox is garbage. Doesnt even work for ps5
Ban hitbox
The worst thing to ever come out smh this doesn’t take skillz I could have my daughter do the same shit that (pros) can do so easy sucks these players are been the new puppets of gaming industry and now everyone will be on this hit box there is nothing better than using a stick! Real skillz
Ill be waiting till ur daughter wins evo then, lemme know if that happens later.
daigo christ plays on a cheatbox , the rest will follow like dominoes
This is why it's called the cheatbox... because it's cheating.
Bro you ain't wrong they are just slanted. Think better about yourself
what
@@NephewDork Your eyes ain't wrong they are just slanted.
What