I Asked 100 Tournament Players To Make a Fighting Game Tier List
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- čas přidán 21. 03. 2024
- I wish I could say this tier list is 100% accurate with a straight face, but I'm pretty sure my Mom could make a better fighting game tier list than this. Shoutouts to @jwonggg for the help on this
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My first attempt at an IRL video - shoutouts to Justin Wong for the help on this. If this vid gets 2000 Likes I'll make another (challenge?)
Also turns out I don't know how to hold a mic, so sorry for the occasional audio issue. We had to cut a lot of footage for a few reasons (mostly audio or for pacing), so apologies if you participated but didn't make the video
Success man, love this content from you brother. Keep it coming!
This was your first?? I never would’ve guessed. Would def like more videos like this
love this video man!
this is fun!
This video was SUPER entertaining. Great stuff!!! (Besides the +R / Xrd / BBCF erasure).
MK11 never left my spot LMFAO
You were just spitting ng facts from the start, lmao
When your right your right and if you was wrong you could have been right.
LOL
They should’ve let you make the list from the start. All facts no printer
Why you're up there with the pros Justin, you know your shit 😂
Justin is so real for sacrificing his tier for MK11’s downfall. That’s my GOAT
The only game that never got moved LUL.
Tier list is accurate just for having this. Mk11 is absolutely trash.
MK been trash for a hot ass minute Justin the GOAT for that
🔥🔥🔥👍🏽
@@Ronbotnik nice try
Shoutouts to that one girl at the end who saved Tekken 7 from being unfairly thrown to the bottom tier by some filthy casual
100% she’s an unsung hero
Real
Lil kid probably had no idea how to tech roll too
@@kaz_araya7960He knew he was unqualified at least lmao
So sweaty and elitist
"what you got against fighterZ?"
"nothing i just keep getting my ass beat on it"
i wanna elect that mf for president ive never seen someone represent my feelings so much 😭
"arcsys gave us rollback" if only he knew
Let them dream. I'm still dreaming okay
Melty Blood crawled through nails and broken glass so modern fighting games could shoot themselves in the knees releasing without rollback
Didn’t they release rollback?
I love how everyone came together to say MK 11 was trash lmao
That 21 Savage reveal trailer at the game awards was sick as hell though
@@librarygary1618unironically my favorite fight scene in all media
@@librarygary161821 was my fav rapper at the time, shit was hype 💯
I already felt it was lackluster compared to the customization of moves of MK10, as usual your average player can't form opinions unless they're high in ranked or a pro.
@@librarygary1618unfortunately a 90 second trailer doesn’t make up for an absolute dog shit game stale gameplay.
"Get injustice up outta there"💀💀💀 lmfao this is a fire vid diaphone
🤣🤣🤣
No Tekken 3, No MK9, No Killer Instinct, No Street Fighter 4, etc. dude wtf
MK9 and USFIV was the peak of fighting games as far as I'm concerned.
agreed. theyre tryin to promote sf6
Killer Imstinct is the best!
@@PowerRobMusicsounds like a guy, who havent played mbaa.
sf4 is my pick, and i was waiting for somebody to say it lmao
My man strolled up in an Aaliyah shirt and said confidently, "Breakers Revenge." What a man of culture
I swear the demo is the whole game. Download it on any console I come across to spread FGC vibes.
When I saw this dude I immediately scrolled down to the comments lmao. Mans truly exuding that aura (see my Condor)
Was looking for this comment or about to make my own. R I P babygurl
Like seriously.......dude knows what's up for sure
@@Marzimus Wait fr? So the only point of buying the game is to play online?
Fighting game community can't even come together to make a decent tier list
Tbh nearly every game on that list is good. There’s no way to make it satisfying, but that’s the enjoyment.
It's almost as if they're too busy.... fighting! 😆
I'll see myself out.
haha And that's a good thing.
@@christiankoll1528 hahaha yeah man hahahaha but grab a free snack before you go
I mean, when you say "Fighting game community" that's such a wide blanket, 2D and 3D fighting games themselves differ immensely not to mention all the different franchises and sub-genres.
I agree with the guy who said MK2. Even if it's not as deep as modern games, if you experienced it, it was a social phenomenon that has no equal in the modern era of online battles. To be at the arcade with 20 other guys around the machine doing a fatality that you learned about on usenet was just an experience that no one in the later generations can even understand.
Also soul calibur 2 was great for similar reasons, but it also had the depth that MK lacked.
I think out of the older MK games, that was the game. And if you go to an arcade, you're most likely are going to see a MK2 machine before you'll see a 3, Ultimate 3, and heck, the first one.
Agree with SC2 as well.
MK2 is very special for me as well, and it's the best MK.. IMO. I always come back to it. Even better now that somebody made a MUGEN of MK2 called *"MK II remix".* They take everything best from the original and enhanced it. It's super awesome. I'm in love with that game and haven't touch any other fighting games for months now. 🙂
Ain’t no way homie tried to say MK1 was best fighting game 💀
"I like to play 2k and like a Blaz Blue at the same time" 😭😭😭
Coolest dude on there
So true
lmfao
Garou in trash? Yeah people have no idea what they're talking about lmao
It's fine
I see it as one of those games that countless people revere, but barely anyone actually enjoys playing long sets of
The goal of this list isnt to ge accurate but to cause discourse.
I think Granblue is hot garbage made for 9 years old. It’s all opinions man.
Unfortunately... There's no King Of Fighters 2002 UM or 98 UM in this list too, simply because Kof isn't that popular in the USA.
13:53
He is exactly how i picture someone who'd say the phrase "Strive isn't Guilty Gear"
Yup. He definitely looks like a reddit user.
Strive is still Guilty Gear but GGXXAC+R is still better.
Lmao
I mean he’s not wrong. Strive went against all of the design principles of previous guilty gears just to try to garner more mainstream appeal. It’s a dumbed down watered down guilty gear
@@tita4359I mean, people put mvc2 up there cause it was the first game they learned and for nostalgia, being easier to learn is good for new players who’ve never played before
Tekken 5, MvC2, Third Strike, KOF 13, Bloody Roar all goats. Surprised there was only one Tekken game
Now that you mention it, yeah! At least have Tekken 3 on there too!
I was about to say, where the hell is Bloody roar or Rival schools? Also would put Tekken 3 up there as it was a top dog back in the days.
@@lolcreloux yep, should've added atleast one bloody roar title
Bloody Roar yeah!!!
The Latino coming in clutch for KOF hahah classic. Loved the video
Mexicans are the best players in kof
@@IbukiClean oh yeah I know, They are dominant.
i thought the same thing, latinos love their KoF
I was surprised that someone mentioned KOF xv inthe first 3 minutes, i thought it wouldn't even be mentioned, for some reason in USA no one can play kof
really fun video. Full of surprises. Everyone has something unique they love or hate! Loved it. Good job, you got this!
This really puts a lot of conversations I have seen in perspective, turns out passion in fighting games =/= taste in fighting games.
This breaks my heart seeing no Virtua Fighter on here, literally one of the most important fighting game series of all time.
VF will rise again brother
Virtua & Bloody Roar 2 beyond goats...
because most of the FGC have shallow minds and only play street fighter clones .. VF5US still has daily players online over 2 years later, though. DOA5 and DOA6 have a playerbase on PS4 too.
where is dynasty warriors
@@fivefive9514grrrr how dare people not like my very niche game they must be stupid RAAHHHHHH I HATE OPINIONS
Love the passionate GG speech @ 13:01 followed by the public execution @ 13:27 lmao. Love the idea of this type of tier list where it's mostly for engagement and fun.
Not a single SF2 game on the list? What?!?!??!?!? Super Turbo is still played to this day in tournaments.
Old game.
Look at the age of people who were being asked
@@ArpeggioPegasusMusic so is MK2, Mark of the Wolves, KOF 97, 3rd Strike, Breakers Revenge and MvC2. Super Turbo came out in 94. MK2 was 93. It surprising no SF2 game is in the list at all. If no games from the 90s made this list I would understand. That was not the case though. So it's odd that those games from the 90s made this list but not any SF2 game.
@@theycallmejpj explain MK2, Mark of the Wolves, KOF 97, 3rd Strike, Breakers Revenge and MvC2 making this list but not Super Turbo. All of those games are 90s games.
It's a classic, it's great, but it's a broken piece of shit.
Man, why wasn't UMK3 (Arcade) mentioned?
Very happy MK II was mentioned - MK 1 was revolutionary and the sequel took that to new heights and UMK3 took 2 to even newer heights.
This was a fun video to watch, thanks for the upload!
Can’t believe I didn’t recognize you! I’m the guy in the orange shirt that picked SF6. Great content as always.
Nah bro , lose some weight
Nah to do this in person is too much effort, gotta flag people down and correct them and explain the rules every time, what a champ! Enjoyed seeing how happy everyone was talking about their favorite fighting game, very wholesome.
It might've been easier if he just had an art board and drew 5 empty squares next to each tier, and printed out the box art of different games. He would've had to pick out the games and you wouldn't get wild picks like SFxT and Cross Tag Battle. But, it definitely would've saved some hassle.
EDIT: As soon as I commented this, I saw Justin's public OP character tier list video.
@@zanpakutoman4225 i mean the voters could bring those game down a tier or two if they don't agree with it but i guess the hate for NRS games is just stronger 🤣
I loved MKx / mkXL as well. It brought be back into the franchise.
The pace was so aggressive and nutty. Even newer players could pick it up and go crazy against each other.
13:01 bro stopped snoop dogg at the fighting tournaments
Soul Calibur 2 is underrated as fuck, this game is peak 3D fighting
Peak fighting, period. FGC says they love SCII *more* than SC on the Dreamcast, the fighting game that was seriously considered for GotY (not fighting game of the year, just GotY, period) when it's immediate competition was VF3, Tekken 3 and SFIII3S, but they always pretend it's a 'lesser' Tekken even though it controls better and is easier to learn despite the characters having *more* moves than Tekken characters (over half the cast of SCVI had more moves than T7 King). It's sad.
Facts
@@spiffythealien SC3 is objectively better than 2 imo, but 2 was my first SC game so I love it too.
That's not how you spell tekken
agree, that game was and still is awesome
Respect to the older guy shouting out MK2 that shit was absolute god tier when it released. One of the best presentations ever, especially in the sound department.
MK3 was better
But the gameplay aged like milk at the top level. It is just Jax vs Mileena spamming their broken moves. (I love MK2 on a casual level)
You are talking from nostalgia, the gameplay was normal and the tier list was bullshit.
@@StriderShadow at very high level play, jax held up but top had to be kung Lao hands down for easy full life touches. I don't even think mileena was in the convo
@@hjblacdes61 mk3u is the goated mk period. People still playing online and running tournaments
I'm glad Melee made it onto the list. I feel like a lot of traditional fighting game players sleep on it. Easy GOAT for me.
This should be a series. Anytime you go to one of these events, hit people up like this. This gives time for more modern games to establish their legacy, more patches and DLCs, more opinions, and flat out for more games to fit on there!
DOA2-5 are still criminally slept on; you hate to see it. People don't know about how good they are.
Brooooo!!! I was looking for this comment. Thank you! I thought maybe I was crazy. That was my JAM! Me and my buddy used to have some heated tag matches on that bad boy.
they know. they just discriminate because DOA series has a female protagonist and female dominant roster. fragile male egos feel threatened by DOA series thats why they undermined DOA6's reception and underated it and singled it out for greed when capcom and NRS and others are not innocent. like EVO Mr Wizard and his "core values" , DOA haters are sexist and misogynistic pigs, and shame on Koei Tecmo catering to that with their Xtreme series. though on the bright side, DOA5 and DOA6 are still played online daily on PS4/PS5. czcams.com/video/NK3KmbZbAA8/video.html
DOA2, 3 and 5 are great. DOA4 is trash.
Legit great fighting games! The bouncy physics is just sugar on top.
DOA2 Ultimate on the Xbox was just wow!
kinda crazy that no one brought up USF4. Felt like that is very loved nowadays and went on forever during its time
It was too hard at competitive level, so PRos don't enjoy it that much.
that and no mention of SF2 (unless I missed it) is just baffling, those were the defining fighting games of their era
Shout outs to the guy who said Breakers Revenge tho
@@JimmySlippit SF2 has not aged well
yun broke the game
I'm not too involved in this community but maybe it's one of those games that most people enjoy, but few would call their #1 favorite?
Only wish I also saw SSF2T and Alpha 3 on this list.
That was a fun video man! Kinda surprised to see a streamer do so well in an irl video
Sick video, the irl content is a cool change of pace and I always love seeing players passionate about different games
My goat is SF4. It single handedly brought arcades back for the time being and helped with the transition to home consoles immensely. Not to mention, it literally saved EVO. Without that game, EVO wouldn’t be a thing anymore. (HM’s: MVC2, UMVC3 & SF3S)
I still rock SF4 with die hard fans 💯✊🏾
My all time favorite fighting game, by far
Same. As much as i like SF6, I really wish I could find people to play 4 with.
Sf4 ranked on xbox was so much fun
SF4 is GOAT
The way the tier list organized itself was setup so it wasn't an objective way of seeing it... but it DID make a fun way of doing it that was good enough
lmao, I love Breakers Revenge but it actually secretly does have a XFactor style comeback mechanism. You do more damage at low health and when you haven't gotten a hit in. You even get damage and defense buffs for losing rounds and games.
This was cool! It definitely shows what the general audience thinks of games, when a game would get placed high then immediatley get swapped down or vice versa.
Street Fighter EX or Bloody Roar not being there hurt me a bit. Also no Virtua Fighter, damn shame.
Truuuuueeeee
Oh true EX2 at arcades was the experience for sure.
I spent more hours of my life playing Virtua Fighter 4 on the PS2 than any other fighting game
their trash tier that's why
Bloody roar 2 was so goated. It was like the tekken 5 of the series where they stuck to the formula mostly after it.
Mate just came across this - great way to do a list
I really like the format of doing a community tier list like this where people can add any stuff and then eventually can just switch places of two games.
Thank you for your commitment to sound methodology in research. These results are indisputable, and you are a true scholar.
The golden era of fighting games was really CVS2 and MVC2 out at the same time. Nothing will ever compare...
Tekken 8, Killer instinct, smash bros ultimate, SC3, DoA5 last round, MvC2, Rival schools, Project Justice and Bashido blade.
This is great! I enjoy everyone's reactions, and reasoning. Please do more community stuff! :D
I dunno why he got surprised to hear MK2. It's the Tekken 3 or SF2 of MK.
But where's Tekken 3?
Oh no it ain't, MK1 is the classic and UMK3 is the good one. 2 and base 3 are perfectly forgettable.
@@shaynehughes6645 I think MKII gets remembered because it really was an enormous step up for the time. Not only did it look way better and have more moves, levels, and characters in general, but it introduced Kitana, Mileena, and Shao Kahn, which was pretty huge. Expanded the lore a decent bit compared to the first one. I'd agree UMKIII is better in basically every way, but MKII was pretty amazing when it first came out.
Got to be 3 for MK. Fatalities, pit fatalities,, animality, babality, friendship, and if you're playing ultimate or trilogy brutalities
@@randyroo2 just to point out, MKII was the one that introduced friendships and babalities. It also had arena fatalities, although MK1 still started that with the spike pit.
I cannot believe there wasn't a single under night homie to save the day, no killer instinct either which should be a crime
Fun tier list!
Best video I've watched in quite some time in that it's the only one in the past several months that I've not skipped forward.
holy shit $150??
nvm that's ntd ignore me
Diaphone has legs?
And tall?!
unbelievable
Not for long
He’s like a mermaid. He can only grow them on tournaments days
If this happen in South America, KOF2002 would be the goat for sure
KOF98 is the GOAT… KOF2K2 is after.
De hecho México es el país "Kofero".
Argentina, Paraguay y Uruguay el más popular es Mortal Kombat (Scorpion tomando "Mate" es parte de la cultura de internet argentino)
Chile Mk y Smash
Bolivia Tekken
Brasil Street fighter
Peru Kof - Tekken
Colombia - Guilty Gear
Ecuador - Venezuela = ????
True, it is always 98 or 2002 here, but it is also something I’ll never agree with as 02 is basically a great roster (not going into balance) accompanied by some of the worst presentation ever made, with some of the worst looking stages and hud in the series and a weak ost.
Was pretty happy with seeing 97 being high ranked for most of the video though.
@@Enemigodelan695 KoF and the vs series were by far the most popular fighting games in Brazil post sf2 era. You could find MvC and KoF 96~98 in random bars.
Even in Africa I agree with you on that part a childhood with KOF2002 is incomplete
The dude who said KOF '97 almost had me, then he broke my f'in heart when he brought down Tekken 7 for that. Come on man, you were the chosen one!
Edit: What the actual hell was that guy in the orange backpack even talking about, what do you mean there's too many moves!? You don't have to know all of them, just go with what you're comfortable doing or, hell, just button mash jfc.
This was a great video 💜… Surprised that no one even mentioned Street fighter 2, mk9, or blazblue cf… there’s too many to name tbh but still surprised no one said those lol
I love this video so much man! Always good to be reminded how chill and friendly the fgc community can be
J wong with the realest take to open the video
I'm glad that the dude put Mortal Kombat 2 on the list.
for me this game defines the aesthetics of Mortal Kombat (effects, design, music, sounds),
all other games in the series are unsuccessful experiments that have lost the face of MK.
melty blood music but no melty blood on tier list
Melty Blood OST > Melty Blood (video game)
MBAACC is definitely one of my favorites, incredibly fun game
Melty Blood is trash. Doesn't even deserve to be on the list.
Niche game, nobody cares about it like that
MBAACC brought in some real gamers to the fgc, it’ll never get the respect it deserves from any modern chump gamers
My vote for the GOAT is Killer Instinct 2013. I love it because you constantly are using your brain even on defense when in a combo for the combo breaker meta. Instinct mode was also fun and unique per character. There is basically 0 down time in a match and I love it for that.
I second your vote.
Yeah KI has everything, fun, skill, design, mechanics, music… the ultimate FGC GOAT!
Incredible game
@@caan_sensei4853 I can't believe I forgot to mention the music, good lord the music is godlike! But no other game gives me the meta satisfaction of the counter breaker reads (and shadow counters) , GGST was the closet modern game with RC and Bursts but it's just not the same, the announcer to so hype too!
Can any one explain if killer Instinct is so great why it disappeared and if MK is so bad why its always the best selling fighting game?
Loved hearing the responses!
Garou on the bottom?? Dang.
If I were to pick, KOF 98 UM (97 is awesome, but I think 98 covers all the bases), and even though Alpha 2 is my favorite of the Alphas, Alpha 3 is awesome. I love Third Strike, but Alpha 3's a whole package.
We all good different tastes and I think that's what makes it cool.
This was a great video. I love fighting games and everyone had a good take.
I don't play or watch fighting games but I saw this on Twitter and this is a super cool video. However Diaphone, I need your personal tier list IMMEDIATELY for comparison
Garou being trash tier is insulting
I want to see something like this for every game genre
Garou is a masterpiece of fighting games, it looks like they are casual players
this video had me rolling, would love to see more of these
“NRS games are always a trash tier” the truth hurts 😂
As a MK fan since I was a kid, it really is true in terms of competitive fighting games. MK will always be just a fun fighting game for me and then as a kid, I always just enjoyed the lore especially when NRS introduced their open world konquest mode in Deception.
MK9 was awesome because you saw the return of 2D in the series but the game was highly broken and so was MKX. It’s like people forget how many people hated MKX when it was a thing.
My favorite MK is the new one. I think in terms of mechanics, it’s the best MK they’ve released and I know a lot of people will disagree but I’ve been there and watched the game and scene develop for awhile. MK and really NRS games in general have never had longevity been incredibly successful in the competitive scene. They’ve always just done really good with sales because of the casual fan getting the game for nostalgia or flash.
@@jameswebber1951 yeah, well I mean, I’ve been playing MK since the very first one in arcades, too, and the new one is the one that finally completely lost me altogether after 30 years of being a casual MK fan - but it’s always been the redheaded stepchild series of the mainstream FGC competitive scene even at its most active and is basically just a nostalgic guilty pleasure for me as a fighting game. With so many other actually good to great fighting games out right now, I have zero interest in anything NRS related for the time being 🤷🏻♂️
MKX was one of the greatest games but everything else after that was and still is trash
nar mkx was hard still
Biased usual Capcom opinion. Also NRS doesn't need the FGC at all, contrary to SF games...
11:35 GIVE this man a standing ovation for naming an actual GOAT game , SHAME on those who put it down to Trash tier , none of em have taste .
fuck yeah
Killer Instinct 1 was the best time to be an arcade fanatic and Virtua Fighter 2 was something to experience when it came out as well.
BBTAG being on the list but not central fiction actually is so upsetting.
yea thats absolutely crazy central fiction is an infinitely better game
As true as that is BBTag has a really nice niche. It's a really easy to get into tag team fighter for new players. I got so many people to start playing fighting games in general by playing BBTag with them. Also it has another kind of niche in that there aren't that many modern tag team games that are fun to just pickup, and play with people that are decent at other fighting games, but don't really have a tag team game they are good at. I really like BBTag even though it's got it's issues for sure. @@zakils6844
I know right. Also nobody showing love for my GOAT GGXrd
Respect to the guy that said Street Fighter x Tekken, I wanted that game to work so badly but damn it dropped the ball 😭😭😭😭
If there was a version without the gems I would agree,
What a fun video. Genius idea!
I've always liked DOA and its really underated. Having a counter system that can break your combo its a game changer for me. Maybe the martial artist in me make me thing that way since in a fight i can graple your punch or kick.
BRUH no one said BLAZBLUE but blazblue tag!? WTF
good ass vidoe dia, making ppl switch the games was a sick way to keep it fun.
n damn cant believe no one brought up plus r, virtua fighter 5, skullgirls or melty...
Damn. This was super fun!
No shade meant at all, but this is truly an interesting mix of humans.
fighterz in goat is a crime
Fighterz is goated they just left that game to catch dust
@@damiencardona2474it can't be the goat because not everyone likes weeb shit. At least in Tekken you can be a bear. No games based on mid shonen should be considered GOAT.
@@throwaway450unbelievably poor attempt at trolling 🤡
Putting smash over fighterz is a crime
@throwaway450 Bait use to be believable
Sf4 not being on the list is wild! lol
Really like the weight put into nostalgy :')
The guy moving marvel 2 down only for another guy to reaffirm its goated
Justin not being worried about having strong opinions is what i commend the most about this video.
Bro I stand by KOF15 being godlike, loved this video
what about melty blood? immaterial and missing power? vanguard princess? samurai shodown?
would love to see you do more poverty fighter content diaphone :)
Nice!I enjoyed it !
Great video, but damn I wish I was there to add "Tatsunoko vs Capcom" in goated. Like how you got everyone's opinion on why also. It really helps.
Dope ass video bro, you are a natural, keep them comming
Good video but hey, get a microphone holder for your wireless microphones, it just looks way better on camera to have a reporter style stick
It's criminal how long it took to strive to get up there
Thank you for giving me the most painful experience I have ever enjoyed. Didn't know this emotion existed.
Xrd or +r not being on the tier list is a crime.
Irrelevant ass games. Did Xrd or +r bring guilty gear to the heights of the franchise?
@@harpot678 Brain dead ass opinion
@@harpot678 actually yes. Xrd was on the evo community showcase for consecutive years since 2019 and +r was on the community showcase too on 2022. Irrelevant games my ass.
@@JordanAdventure1 My bad my history is a bit lacking, I forgot that Xrd and +R were the most entered evo titles of their year and had the same impact on the franchise as Strive. My apologies.
@@harpot678 impact has nothing to do with game quality, SF3 was a monumental flop during its time and yet nobody would say that game shouldn't be on a list like this.
Why get so insecure over someone simply liking Xrd or +R?
That said the real crime here is that there's no Centralfiction on the list.
I have to give mad respect to kof 15 guy. Kept it real and put his game outside of goat tier
Was so entertaining to watch.
Adding crosstag but not centralfiction is a warcrime. Fun video !
I just noticed that omg what is wronf with people
The mortal Kombat 2 disrespect is crazy. You weren’t outside
That game was fucking massive when it came out in arcades. Bigger than SF2 or the original MK. You definitely "had to be there" and maybe Diaphone is too young, but that game is legendary and the hype for it was stratospheric.
What is the name of the song on the back of this video around min 12:00 ?
Bro was the first one to mention Garou and is rocking a Hey Arnold sweater. Legend, right there.
2:14 my man
great editing Diaphone! Looks really good
An unhinged list, but hilarious video lol