Nintendo Online Strategy Breakdown (Nintendo Switch Online, Nintendo Online Network)
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- čas přidán 27. 05. 2024
- The Nintendo Online Network has closed for Wii U and 3DS so what is Nintendo's online plan? This is a thorough breakdown of Nintendo's Account systems, the history of Nintendo's system plans up to and including its work with DeNa to eventually form the new company, Nintendo Systems. We'll look at Nintendo Switch Online and see its successes and challenges so far and look at many possible ways that Nintendo can develop into the online space going forward.
00:00 The Story So Far
05:49 Nintendo Systems
07:34 Music
09:17 Theme Park & Films
11:38 Games
13:31 NSO Consoles
23:10 New Approaches
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The endless speculation has me so excited to see what Nintendo does next. That’s why I’m such a monster lifelong fan of them: even watching them do business is fun.
I think the native storage in the Switch's hardware is like, the only issue that is stopping them from including Gamecube in NSO. If the Switch 2 has a storage over even 100 GB (which I think would be stupid not to), I'd say is VERY likely GC comes to NSO. I'd even go as far to say the Wii would come pretty soon after too because it's basically the same as GC emulation wise and it has WAY larger base with nostalgia.
To be honest, it really depends on the game! All GameCube Discs were max 4GB in size, but most of it was junk data (literally filled with 0s). Best example is the original Animal Crossing which is less than 100MB because it was essentially a ported N64 game.
Your point still stands in the sense that eventually it would become too much, but it seems like Nintendo doesn't want to put all their top games on there anyway, so it likely could be optimized to fit more than we expect or they push for their SD card sales haha
They dont see a financial reason to bring gc to nso when people are willing to pay 60 for gc remakes ala TYD
@@sunxnes The only incentive would be to make "easier money" because remaking a game costs more resources than just emulating it on NSO services. They'd likely have another tier for their subscriptions like what they did with the N64 and Genesis if they were to ever do it.
Perhaps we will need to wait for the next console regardless for it to get more wide spread, despite it being possible to do on the current Switch
I saw one of your videos a few days ago and my mind kept going back to it and how well you're able to talk about their business sense in a way that is understandable to the common person. You deserve more subs and you just made one 😊
Thank you - I really appreciate that!
The main issue with Saturn games is that all of their masters are lost. Back in the 1990s, Sega wanted to house all the masters for SS games, and then proceeded to misplace or junk all the masters during an office move. That's why all SS games other platforms have run under emulation, e.g. Princess Crown's PSP release.
I knew a number had been lost (Panzer Dragoon Saga!) but I hadn't realised it was all of them.
Just want to go on record and say I LOVE the idea that NSO subs get to play the 'upgraded' version of Switch games on Switch 2. You're not manipulating players, and it's a massive upgrade that takes devs and is well worth the money for those who care. Great idea!
I also think Nintendo selling digital first for one week would be a nice way to stick it to scalpers and avoid leaks etc. It wouldn't affect me in the slightest, as I'd work on my backlog and then get the game a little later.
Iv expected this all along if you sub you get breath wild 4k Mario od 4k things like this
I feel like goving nso expansion pack members an advantage like early preeorder access for theor next system would be a huge perk, would drive new memberships, and to some extent could offset scalping. Not sure the right way to do it but steam requiring you to have an active account in order to preorder their deck was a good approach.
I hate not owning my games if I can't buy these old titles then they aren't getting my money for online play
7:35
In 2022, Metroid's Kenji Yamamoto's and Dragon Ball's Kenji Yamamoto's respective age and birthyears were the reciprocal of each other's.
Born 1964, age 58
Born 1958, age 64
in 2022.
Love it!
@@nintendoforecast I meant to blitz Reddit with that factoid in 2022 but somehow forgot to for an entire year.
surprised nobody is considering PC Engine/TurboGrafx-16 as a possible addition to NSO considering it's been in every iteration of Virtual Console (yes, even the 3DS but Japan only) and I feel that has a much higher chance of happening compared to MSX coming over despite that being on Wii and Wii U VC in Japan
NSO is the only online service I don't pay for.
The fact we're still paying for peer-to-peer just annoys me too much. Nothing has changed since the OG Wii's service, only now we pay for it.
On top of that, there's no way to buy the games, you just stream them all. That's not even getting into lack of features that have been STANDARD everywhere else for over a decade... i.e. voice chat, party/lobby systems, basic messaging system (or ANY communication system whatsoever), achievements, universal cloud saves, normal suite of apps (why is Switch the only system in nearly 2 decades without Netflix?), etc. etc. etc....
Adding random Genesis, GBA, and N64 with zero schedule doesn't help either. At least with Xbox & Playstation I know I'm getting several games multiple times per month (MODERN games), but you never know with Nintendo.
The one thing that could be cool is if DLC for all 1st party games came as free updates if you have the expansion pack. They did that with a handful of games, but knowing ALL future games would offer this could at least be good value.
Lastly, Nintendo *STILL* used bloody friend codes! It's so stupid. I'm not even convinced my digital purchases will be compatible with future hardware like Xbox & PS, or if they'll tie it to some weird hardware transfer like Wii to Wii U.
Theyre holding this back for the fear of pedos. After what happened on the 3ds and wii u, they dont want people interacting at all.
After all the controversy with the 3ds and wii u and messaging, doubt theyll improve the social aspects of it.
I hope the switch successor is reverse compatible. It would be a huge boon if the slew of remakes and NSO games are still playable on the next console. Fingers crossed the NSO service was built to last.
Really enjoy your videos. As a fan and investor of Nintendo your videos strike a nice balance for both perspectives.
Thank you!
Just found the channel, love it!
When i started buying Japanese game company stocks, i was shocked how little information there is out there on the financial sites
Really really interesting video! I hadn’t even been thinking about this but I hope that they do make some improvements to their online! And big congrats on the recent channel growth; very much deserved!
Thank you so much!
Such a very cool and fascinating video and break down of the future of Nintendo systems
Thank you - I really appreciate the comment!
@@nintendoforecast My pleasure!
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That's a great phone!!
I don't see how they can release DS games on Switch or its' successor given the importance of touch screen gameplay and the differences in the type of touch screens offered between systems affecting gameplay.
You're likely to see more features added into NSO apps, like Rewind and Rollback netcode added to N64 on Switch's successor since it's currently the odd man out for the classic apps.
I found my way here after you were mentioned by another CZcamsr. I always love some good analysis. Thanks for the great video!
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Nintendo should offer all their legacy TV shows and movies on NSO. Maybe even post new stuff on it.
Great idea. So far we have... one movie. :)
Uhm. No? We have two movies and a bunch of cartoons. @@_sparrowhawk
@@_sparrowhawkthe old cartoons, Pokémon, the bad Mario Movie for shits and giggles.
I agree with the notion that it would be really awesome if Nintendo offered their next GEN consoles to their NSO members
As he mentioned, it's typically when a system is 25 years old, so we might have to wait a couple years for the GC. :)
Re. NSO. Rather than adding new virtual consoles I think they could just release some heavy hitters on the existing platforms.
NES - Duck Hunt (reworked with motion controls)
SNES - Chrono Trigger
GAMEBOY - Pokémon Red & Blue
GBA - Mother 3
N64 - Smash Bros, Animal Crossing
Motion controlled Duck Hunt - interesting idea!
I would love access to Sega Saturn or Dreamcast, never got to experience those in the day
One of the big things I think not only could they do, but they should do, is to bolster Switch Online and give themselves a bit of a boost in terms of their holiday lineup this year, is to pull the trigger on classic Pokémon games coming to NSO. Millions of people will sub to the service to play every Pokémon game from gens 1 through 3, gen 3 would also be a huge boon for the expansion pack tier all by itself. Their Holiday 2024 is likely to be very meager, so they could treat "Classic Pokémon on NSO" as one of their big releases for the holiday to help maintain some brand momentum into Switch 2. Pokémon itself also would also benefit from the PR win with fans by rereleasing the classic titles after the disaster which was Scarlet/Violet, and to an extent all the other Switch main series Pokémon games. There also will not be a Pokémon release this holiday, so it's not like releasing the old games could hurt the sales of something else, they did something similar in 2015 on 3DS virtual console when there wasn't a Pokémon release that year. The fact the single most popular franchise on Nintendo's handhelds isn't on NSO in a large capacity is a massive missed opportunity.
The thing about tying next-gen upgrade patches to NSO's expansion tier is also something I can easily see them doing. Updating dozens of games for free doesn't seem the most financially sustainable decision, and charging say $10 per game also doesn't seem like many people would be thrilled about it, but tying it to a subscription gives them the best of both worlds with minimal drawback.
GameCube, Wii and 3DS are too lucrative in terms of ports and remasters for it to ever see them be on NSO. I could see them adding those ports/remasters to NSO subs years down the line, I don't think people will be buying say Pikmin 2 HD in 2027. Older titles being added to a "game pass" like tier could also work, instead of day one or year one titles getting added, they could have older games that have since stopped selling put onto that tier to entice people. I don't see it happening but I don't think it's completely out of the realm of possibility.
In addition, they could do something similar to what Valve did to stop scalpers of the Steam Deck, and allow exclusive early pre-orders for Switch 2 to people with NSO expansion subscriptions before the general public can pre-order or reserve units at stores.
Great points especially about about Pokemon and the Valve strategy.
Good video
I would die for Wonderswan on switch. I've been dying to play Moonlight Museum because I adore Klonoa and I also want to try Gunpey, but current emulators don't play nice with the orientation settings. Maybe on switch it can change aspect ratio and be controlled by one joycon switching from vertical to horizontal mapping.
I know I’m late to the party for this, but certainly what’s been on my mind lately is what the holdup is for a DK64 drop to NSO, I would love to see a video from this channel that discusses maybe how Nintendo decides what games to drop and which emulators get game updates and how they decide the frequency of these drops, along with what drives Nintendo to not supply a games release roadmap, if all that could be explained, maybe that will provide some solace lol 😅
That's an interesting one. Not sure how to approach this but I'll have a look.
I absolutely despise not being able to play the games I PURCHASED digitally on two different consoles. Only physical allows such a thing.
It's a huge issue more importantly found when playing Pokémon, as with physical cartridges I can without issues boot the game in two consoles and trade pokémon or adventure in the same world. However, if purchased digitally, I can either play on the main console or on the secondary console, no trades and no adventuring along possible. This becomes a larger issue when the DLC is introduced, as then they all behave like digital purchases, so forget about making points in the new academy somewhat efficiently.
It's so dumb, PlayStation's method of sharing would solve this issue so easily. Hope they'll change it someday 🤞
Im pretty sure u can play on multiple consoles, but the "secondary" console needs to be connected online
I think a caveat to the bundled DLC thing here is that the ones that came with NSO were announced as tie-ins with NSO expansion pass before the DLC launched. I don't see them retroactively bundling it. I feel like there may be something to gain in additional services as a tie in vs additional emulated games/systems with NSO. Nintendo has a massive backlog of soundtracks that are unavailable to stream anywhere and enough demand that people go to orchestras for Kirby/Zelda music. Switch 2 having a NSO app with its own music streaming service included would be a unique value add that could appeal beyond the retro gaming crowd.
Really love these business analysis videos. I can’t bring myself to get the expansion plan because I already pay a family plan and the deal is just not good. If they had all major games up to Gamecube it would be worth it, until then it’s a tough sell for something I don’t even own.
I suppose you could say that you led me to this well lol. Around 20 minutes into the video I started to think… it seems like Nintendo would just offer some switch games on this service after all? But the idea that the upgrade is exclusive seems right on the money to me!!
Nintendo has a golden opportunity to be the service that has basically all older games, if they are not unfair and are willing to emulate unknown games too, instead of just looking at short term profits. But I guess not, we had such a nice thing with Netflix, now the streaming economy is destroying itself.
I think Dreamcast would be a fairly solid selling point if added to the NSO Expansion pack. Many games like Jetset radio aren’t re-released often, and there isn’t even any way to play the original Dreamcast version of Sonic adventure or SA2. Heck, just saying “NSO members get Sonic adventure” alone would get quite a few of people to buy
After the Release of totk i thought it might be a good idea to give customers of a pre oredered physical Switch games temporary access to the Digital Version together with the Digital pre order customers.
Hell yeah, Crusader of Centy rules
Love that you picked up on this!
gb, gba, and n64 has so many entries to choose from that they can just keep posting it to NSO indefinitely.
ATP I would say NSO is basically worth it if not almost worth it (if they were to add GCN it would seal the deal). I just hope they actually have better online next system which is really where they are lacking. it seems to be mostly a hardware issue tho and not full incompetence (tho they prob are still behind compared to sony or MS) so that should be solved next console but I hope they throughly invest in their online infrastructure cuz beside individual games the overall environment is sorely lacking
DLC is also prob nintendo's attempt at putting 'recent' releases on their service. They will never put actual new first-party releases but DLC is a good way to encourage people to buy those releases without giving them away.
What about the Dreamcast?
Dreamcast would be amazing
About Switch 2's backwards compatibility and if there is one. I think yes, but actually no.
I think Nintendo will port games from Switch 1 to Switch 2, and use their online accounts to allow something like Xbox's "smart delivery". There might be an emulation layer made by Nvidia for people who bought physical, but it's in Nintendo's best interest for you to buy a natively optimized version of their games instead of emulation.
By natively porting a game from a generation to another, you either
get native resolution, more consistent framerate and possibly even improved battery life because of a Switch 2's optimized chipset. You could supposedly get better performance at lower wattage, and improved battery life. It's better for Nintendo and for the consumer to buy a game and have it run as best as it can rather than runnikg it at 99% precision at best (and the hardware load of running an emulator).
I can see them doing previews the way Sony does where you can play completely new game for X amount of hours from start, and not in some specially created demo. Tho unlike Sony, Nintendo is pretty good wirh giving people Demo version so this move can backfire
Im a proud owner of Nintendo Switch lite that never tried any nintendo switch online subscription. I will never pay $20 just to play online never.
splatoon 2 was not a port of splatoon 1.
Yeah, I misspoke there. Good catch.
As interesting as the ideas are, I won't lie, each one feels horrible as a consumer imo.
Switch Online was Free for a whole year, and now we're just getting sprinkles on crap to make it look like a better deal.
The more features are attached to this the more frustrating the consumer experience becomes for those who just want to play the games they choose to buy. Especially that Graphics update idea, are Switch 2 Users just going to be gatekept from the performance of the new system they've bought? If someone owns say, Hyrule Warriors on a Switch 2, they have to pay a subscription for the game to run at a stable 30fps?
If this is an Nintendo’s plans for the future, I’m not interested. I miss the days when we owned our games and music. Those are the things I still use every day. I can’t afford to subscribe to everything I like.
Just give us who already have cartridges or digital copy of switch games access to play those games
Nintendo should negotiate with Sega and let Camelot remake shining force 3.
Would be a dream come true but regrettably I can't see that ever happening.
@@nintendoforecast IKR... Since they bought Camelot, and they are close to Sega, not given a new chance to SF, is a missing opportunity... But I guess they don't want to make a franchise to compete in the same genre as fire emblem. And I don't see it doing more than a moderate success... Sadly.
@@nintendoforecast but I would love to see SF3 in full glory. 💔
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I think they need to strengthen their online servers, because it honestly does not work well, and that’s with all their online games. Their insistency on using peer to peer connections, “cuz that’s how it is in Japan”, reaaallly is a lame excuse tbh.
Getting some good online servers for their online games and platforms would honestly have me playing a few of their games more if they’d not have connections that are invisibly thrown through satellite and the internet void.
Oooo I heard a game server in the video while ranting lmao! Please step away from windows 98 Nintendo, just cause slowpoke is using it, doesn’t mean Nintendo has to!
Splatoon 2 isnt a port.
Yes, I misspoke - good catch.
For me Nintendo was at its best during the snes and n64 days. Nowadays they look like money chasers. Old hardware asking full prices and their current library is in my opinion bland. Adopting the sterile Apple aesthestics doesn't help either. And what the hell is up with the eshop quality? The store is annoyingly sloooooowwww and so much shovelware..... Come on Nintendo! It's 2024.
In a nutshell:
1. Make less new games
2. Sell nostalgia more
3. ????
4. Profit
Regarding the backwards compatibility bear in mind that Nintendo is notorious for not carrying over features from one generation to the other.
We lost analogue triggers after the GameCube. We lost a second screen after the 3DS. We lost cameras and mics after the Wii U.
These little things make it hard to make older games available unless there's significant retooling to them, and by that point it's best to just issue a full remaster
Excellent point!
Truly an excellently detailed video.
Well done, sir!
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Thank you very much!