The world's CLEANEST Headphone AMP? Topping L50 Rant
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At this point, I think it would be great if this companies come out with some kind of DSP software with their DAC's. I would love to play and listen to presets and emulations of legendary and famous hi-fi amps, speakers and headphones, just like musicians have been doing for ages with their gear
👆👆👆This
You can emulate distortion characteristics of famous amps. SMSL has a colour feature on some it's of DACs. If you think you're going to degrade the music in a way that some speakers headphones do and have it sound better playing through your speakers and headphones keep dreaming.
You can route your signal through a DAW and use vst plugins to color the sound. I use the Reaper DAW and plugins from Analog Obsession, both of which are free and the Analog Obsession plugins sound great.
@@kyron42 'Tube 1' on my SU-8 is a no-brainer when listening to music through a linear amp. Fucks with it just a little.
@Yo Naash Same thing, sort of, I mean a DAC with DSP chip, DSP software and plugins of different comercial amps, tubes, phono cartridges, tonearms.. cables (lol)
little ant bro at @2:04 👊
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man I was about to say the same thing
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Yeah, ultra-violet, and infra-red are super cool colors that humans can't see. :D
It seems like DACs and amps have evolved to a similar point as smartphones. I used to be a smartphone enthusiast because the tech was always evolving and getting better in interesting ways, but now even "midrange" phones are awesome and honestly more than enough for what most people use them for. And like you said, it's become more about what features you want/need like wireless charging, headphone jack, under screen fingerprint sensor, etc. Now with amps it seems like they are more or less the same just with different output power, whether it has Bluetooth, a balanced output, etc
I sold my topping A90 D90 stack for a Denafrips Ares 2 and a Burson Soloist 3x amp and yes once your reach that point in the price bracket the differences are very noticeable the Topping amps seem to be transparent and neutral and ride on a straight line no depth layers in n the music I was surprised how much of a difference the Burson Soloist 3x made opened up the music more now I enjoy music much more
(Almost like) commodities
@@Josh-os2px I believe thats how upgrade on dac/amps does to your system. The layering, separation and depth are the aspects that made the major difference. One will definitely hear that one day and theres no turning back
@@Josh-os2px lol for extra 1000$, i'd rather upgrade or get a new headphone. It goes to prove how weird hi-end dac/amp positions are now with all these amazing budget dac/amp
@@Centrioless you'll get more out of putting more money into your headphones, but then you'll get more out of your headphones with a better amp/DAC ;)
I've been through the whole journey. Basically all DACs & amps under $1000 sound the same. Why? To stay competitive, they all use the same chips and similar topologies. I compared Toppings to SMSL to other ESS DACs. No difference. After hearing a Schiit Yggdrasil, it was undeniable that the music was different. You could argue that as you spend more you end up "flavoring" the music more. Yeah, probably. I like chocolate more than vanilla, tho. :)
These measurements beyond -90dB are meaningless to our ears. They're improving on specs each year which are negligible improvements to the actual experience.
I'm so glad someone is calling out the fact that we're at the point now where everything sounds basically the same.
If you want a transparent amp and dac yes.
We've been at that point for awhile now..? Biggest difference is that they're mass-producing black boxes with better and better measurements even tho there's no audible improvements.
What's somewhat counter intuitive is that I've found more enjoyment out of "lesser" measuring R2R DACs. Things just sound more... "correct" in timbre to my ears.
A lot of the sub-$1000 DAC/amps all sound the same to me and are relatively "meh" despite having superb measurements. Do my favorite DACs add some color? Maybe, but to my ears it sounds more lifelike. Which is my goal anyways (sound reproduction).
@@asplmn Ye if you ask me, all delta sigma dacs sucks balls. Multibit/R2R dacs sound true to life and REAL like it should be.
@@asplmn Yeah this is the problem I find it too, but I'm a heavy bass head, so I love my heavy bass EQ.
As long as it sounds good to me and outputs the power I want why should one care?
@DMS So what's the cleanest high end Dac/Amp Setup?
Good to know. I went a little outside my budget to buy a topping a50s last week. Glad to know it's hitting the limit of diminishing returns. If the high end wants to be more technical than practical I'm all for it.
Just like you said, I had been looking at amp reviews for a long time and finally figured that I would check the features I need first and then check the reviews. Got the Topping L30 because I really wanted a front switch to alternate between headphones and speakers without having to disconnect anything. Such a rare feature, listen to music on speakers, get a call and switch to headphone, call end switch back to speakers. I've been REALLY enjoying the L30 with Edifier R1280T and Koss kph30i with the grado pads. Thanks for all the great reviews.
You have the E50 in preamp mode. To put it in DAC mode , just hold the power button for 5 seconds and then it's at "full" volume.
Those other amps and dacs you're not excited about could work for a comparison video. If they sound really that close to each other it would be interesting to see what you could get away with on the cheapest side and which featues you get for the more expensive ones.
I'm glad you made this video. I've felt the same way for a while. I've you have a clean amp and DAC the only raisin to switch if for features. Do I've just been looking at tubes and other colored devices to get my desired sound. Glad that it's normal. It seems like everyone always talks about how well things measure and they discouraged things that don't measure as well.
I am so glad you touched on measurements vs an actual listening experience.. It is like mixing music in a DAW vs an analog console. In the DAW, we see the EQ parameters (Measurements) on an Analog Console, we use our Ears and HEAR and adjust the sound. I see people on certain sites devoted to measurements (love the sites too), but are trashing equipment solely on how they perceive the poor measurements and in many cases have NEVER heard the device. Some of this equipment is loved by those who own it and HAVE listened to it. Measurements have their place, but we don't sit down and listen to SNR or THD. We listen to music. Does the music we are hearing sound good??? If so, then it IS good despite whatever the measurements say.. Thank you.
You hav helped me decide on this amp ..transparent for my mixing. And amazingly priced for what it is especially used....
the review I was looking for! just perfect ! thanks!
I've been in the market for a really transparent stack for quite a while now, but there is just so much choice and it changes constantly. So i've just been sticking with what i have
dude your video and audio are flat out on point. Love the rich texture of your mic ...
Dude thanks for this review. I currently only have a Motu M2 and have been saving for a good sub $300 amp. Your rant actually made me kind of excited for this amp because I know it will be a good starting point for me to explore other amps and have a good reference point for what they're doing.
Hi, can you tell me how good is the Motu M2?
@@octaviodiaz938 fucking amazing. It's clean as hell and super functional
Good rant, loved the editing flair at 7:45. Would love if you made a video discussing 'fun' headphones. I'm looking for headphones that if I showed to a SO or family member, they'd understand why I care about db, frequency graphs and why my bank account is so low.
Why not show them a cheap pair of headphones with not-so-good sound signature and compare it to your neutral/Harman target/any headphones you deem good for an audiophile?
Interesting video. Seems like at the end of the day, if you are looking for budget clean amps there's just so many options at different price point. All you really need to look at is form factor and brand, like I love my Element II and want to support JDS Labs. Would be great if you can make a video or a list of amps that stand out to you so that people can see more colored options.
Bought the E50 DAC out of the blue for my 'not lowend' stereo system, good to hear it doesn't color the sound. That's exactly what i wanted. Using it for tidal hifi+
Well, there's this Nyquist-Shannon theorem saying and proving that you can convert continuous signal to discrete signal (in audio context PCM) and then back to continuous (what DAC does) and there's exactly one and perfect solution to it (perfect within spectral components under half the sampling frequency and quantisation losses (bit depth)).
And the DAC measurements are pretty much just evaluating how much the output differs from the one mathematically perfect solution.
And yea, even the cheap ones are now close within the margin of human hearing.
Though, ranking by one metric is certainly an oversimplification. Audibility of various aspects is not perfectly researched, and there are already cases where manufacturers are pushing the one notoriously ranked metric while sacrificing performance in other possibly more audible type.
You can only reproduce the analogue signal accurately from digital with an iir filter. In theory you would have to wait forever to hear the result. The practical solution is to use a fir filter which is not 100% accurate but close enough for most people.
@@tomas_m Well yeah, there's plenty of metrics to look at. But if all of them are about the same or all their values are below audible level, no reason to think it'll sound any different. Jitter, Linearity, SINAD (though honestly, you can get to like -60 dB ThD and still not fucking hear it), IMD, frequency response adjustments, mimatched output impedance.. Lots of things affect the sound.
My personal issue is when people make weird claims of audiophile magic like with cables or burn-in or whatever else, or talk about stuff that a DAC or amp literally does not do to the signal. Luckily that's mostly reserved for SBAF and Head-fi.
Cool review. Thanks!
Great point. Appreciate your point of view.
I really enjoyed your opinion! Thanks
You can set the DAC to not be in preamp mode. That way you don't need to adjust the volume level out.
The audio quality of this particular video is great. I hope it stays like this.
I like the review, and I agree with your premise. However piggybacking on the above comment... 60hz hum is clearly audible in the track. This is best solved in your recording chain but is pretty easy to knock down in post with a notch filter. Your comments would seem more credible after solving this issue.
You are so right I love your statement 💥💯👍
What I like from "clean" amps/dacs is that the choice to add color is entirely up to me. I can use a Tube pre, or an EQ or even a VST plugin when ever I want. Options enough. A "colouring" amp/dac can't be made "clean" sounding. For the reviewing bit, I totally get your point.
I have so many amps and dacs but I always end up using my little Schiit Fulla 4. Its really all I need. I mainly use it for work (video conferencing) and gaming.
I was looking for a rant and hoping for one thanks DMS
In the beginning, I thought you were going to say that you are sick of them. And it *should* be a rant. F, rant away. Keep ranting. It needs to be said ad-nausea. DAC/Amps and all the wanking that comes with it are annoying asf and have been for a few years now. It's so refreshing to hear you ask these questions because I thought I was the only one who is getting tired of it. Tired of obscure companies trying to send me stuff, tired of the stupid measurements, tired of the divisiveness. This segment of the market is oversaturated and it's just excessive and gimmicky at this point. All it is is companies taking advantage of unsuspecting buyers and that part of it is most certainly NOT okay. Most people who read this will know how I feel about it but it's nice that someone else is starting to point it out.
Don't worry its just another phase in the ever evolving world of audio, lol.
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Would love to see a youtube channel transition to controlled blind testing with gear from all price points and see what happens.
Dms and zeos did this in a video. They tangled the headphone cables and a/b a few items and they could tell em apart... Obviously they have trained ears but it was a neat watch.
It's better than good, it's as good as you can get !. It's the same with amps, dacs and digital cameras, they are all now superb. HiFi has matured to a point that it's the price to performance that is the main goal, and Topping and SMSL are delivering that in spades. So called hi-end can now be had for peanuts !. I wonder what direction they will go in the future, maybe active speakers would be a good way.
What amp would you recommend for the Focal Elegia? I have a JDS Labs Atom stack but want to experience something that will color the sound of a relatively neutral headphone for around the same price.
I've been thinking something very similar to 8:43. Fortunately for me, the original D90 wasn't/hasn't been available, so I've been hanging steady with my E30. So I at least I'll be able to pivot now and just upgrade to the E50 instead, to save (a lot of) money.
I could not agree more...I just purchased L50 amp because I wanted to see what more power would do to my HE4XX. I was using Zen DAC V2 with the new filter update before purchasing the L50. A_B listening between Zen DAC SE output vs. L50 fed by the Zen DAC's dac portion using a balanced output revealed to me the point you are making...L50 is great amp...neutral...clean...powerful enough to blow my HE4XX even at medium gain, BUT, the sound out of the Zen DAC SE output was "warmer"..."fuller"..."smoother" without any loss of resolution to my ear, and just more pleasing to my ear. Listening to the Zen DAC was like having a conversation with your close friend, whereas the sound from L50 was like listening to an informative lecture...both has its place, but more often than not, I want to talk to my friend...Great review...and thanks for making my new budget headphone audiophile journey more informed and enjoyable...I will be keeping both amps though, I think they will both serve their purpose down the line. Thanks again!
Would you prefer the hd 560s on an Asgard 3 or a Valhalla 2. And how would you compare the 6xx to these amps too. And if you could only pick one combo for both gaming (FPS) and music (jazz, hip hop, and classical) which would you pick?
Hey DMS could you review the singxer sa 1? Z gave it a great review and wanted to hear your thoughts on it
Got to say I recently bought a Topping x Shenzenaudio EX5 and I can't see myself ever replacing it.
For accurate / transparent set up I stopped at the 789, as I see no point going further. I haven't used them for more than a year. Been having fun toying with coloured set up.
There's a nice side effect of these continued stats wars. People don't often buy build quality or aesthetics if something has no other benefit. So, this keeps open a perceived niche for the high end, which tends to keep build quality paramount. I am cognizant I can't tell the difference between a JDS Atom and many of these higher end setups, but I would lament everything regressing to plastic cases and the like.
What about wood?
It's perfect for studio guys like me who wants perfect precision without coloration.
So I use Sundara 2020 EQd into Topping L30 (149$ which technically measures even bit better than their high end almost 1000$ A90 only with less output power capabilities and possibly bit more crosstalk which is the only thing I think can be improved in those Topping Amps to achieve perfection in terms of clarity and separation 😉)
Do you need to use a Balanced headphone when using the balanced input ports of the L50?
I have a DAC that has only balanced trs out, but no headphones with balanced capabilities. I would like to know if I would be wasting my money looking for an AMP that can receive balanced inputs, as I only have the capabilities of using SE headphone ports.
Can you please elaborate on the A50s being more aggressive compared to this? I'll be listening to HD 660S and HD 800S. Thank you
I tried other headphone amps that tested well, but were harsh (eg: Geshelli Archel 2 Pro). I ended up with the Lake People G111 and it has the power, space, clarity, and smoothness that I've been looking for. So, each of us knows the sound he or she wants. We just have to search until we find it. Thank heaven for ebay and Amazon return that we can clear our shelves of the leftovers.
Is there a comfortable amount of volume control for these to power highly sensitive IEMs, on top of my power hungry cans? Or should I just get the IEMagni/Modi stack? Thank you for the video.
What are the important purposes of reviews is point out deficiencies in equipment such as the IEMagni which has the gain setting on the back which is a bit of a deal breaker for me.
For me at least I want to use a dac for music and movie watching but I’ve never found that dac/amp that made me go wow this is awesome.guess I’ll give this a try
Great review. I guess it's time like this, my poor hearing, will save me money.
I'm considering replacing my son's gamer headphones(turtle elite pro) with a or of559's - just off the top of your head, would the 559 be good as a general headphone for that... (I'd need an adapter for the plug..?) Thanks
So what would you consider is a really fun dac and amp?
This is the same sort of reason I bought the JDS Atom DAC and not the higher version - Basically the same for less cost. I then bought a Vali 2+ and Technics SU-Z780 for amplification. I do wish the Vali 2+ was a better pre amp though.
It was nice to see the Collab with Ant at 2:06.
I am using a Dt1990 with an Mayflower Arc Amp/Dac.
The headphones are getting plenty volume i am max at 1 or 2 o'clock when i am hearing music at loud volume.
Im now wondering would it even be an "upgrade" to buy something like an modi/magni stack or something from topping?
And when yes, what would be an "upgrade" for my dt1990?
Thanks.
One of the reasons why I'm still staying with my Aune X7s. Yup, it doesn't measure well, it's not fully balanced, but it does sounds really nice & powers pretty much everything in my collection, rarely had to raise those tiny switches up to high gain.
I totally agree, my dx3pro sounds bland, sometimes I just prefer the sound of my 50 dollar amp with TI amp chip with it
Where do you get those fluid animations? They look good!
Love the video. Can you make one on the differences between the cables? :):):)
I would love to see you review the xDuoo MT-601/2/4
Hi buddy great review, I want to buy a stack like this, I just don't like the LCD color.
I have my sights on the SMSL SU-8S and the SMSL SH-8s, how does this compare to those? Had you had the chance to compare this set? I like the features of the SMSL SU8S stack.
I would really appreciate your opinion? My Headphone at this point is the sennheiser HD 599SE, but the HD6XX is the next purchase.
Keep making these awesome reviews, I really enjoy your work.
If i don't wanna get this amp, but the dac, what amp would you recommend to pair with this? Would you go tube amp or solid state amp? And what would you recommend with each type of amp?
It also seems to me that the iFi DAC is similar: it has a clear sound-not warm nor cold-and is very matter of fact in presenting the music, in a way that is straight forward but not especially exciting or charming.
How does the dx7pro fit into this? Is a l50/e50 stack or a50/d50 better or would the dx7pro be similar (like most toppings sound similar now).
Sold state, tubes, hybrid…a flavor is out there everyone 🥳
Thanks for the review and for 21:9 aspect ratio. I think it's great that there's basically no need to get A90 when there's L50. I'm gonna stick to my JDS EL Stack for now because I love the looks and the huge knob, I doubt that I'll be able to tell the difference between JDS amps and these "better" measuring Toppings.
I know this video is 2 years old now but I happen to be in the market for a new DAC/Amp (I want to upgrade from my 2 year old Schiit Modi/Magni stack) and I'm finding out exactly what was said in this video, and I'm glad to hear DMS say it here. I just ordered the Fiio K9 Pro and Aune S9C pro and the truth is I could barely distinguish between either of them and my Schiit stack. I had to A/B them to hear a difference, and even then the differences were INCREDIBLY MARGINAL. I was thinking that maybe my hearing just isn't that great, I am 42 yo, but after watching this...idk. Don't get me wrong, I DID hear differences. Without going into detail here...the bottom line is they both sounded SLIGHTLY better than my Schiit gear, but SLIGHTLY is the key word. I returned both of them, couldn't justify the price tags imo. I think I'm going to give Topping a try (probably the E70/L70 stack) just because I've never listened to any Topping gear, but idk. I'm thinking I may just end up sticking with the little Schiits. They work...really well.
Ordered a Monolith Liquid Platinum and a Geshelli J2 recently. Not sure if I went overboard.
Nice ant at 2:05 haha :D
The thing is he has way too much stuff to keep inside so he keeps some stuff in the garden shed.
I filmed this B-roll outside haha
Ok, let's assume technology is mature now. The next step woud be miniaturization, improved user interface and integration. A lot to review the coming years, I suppose.
What to choose (same price) Topping A50s vs SMSL SH9 ?
I use HD 650 balanced XLR, DT 770 80 ohms and T50RP MK3 and currently my system is Zoom Uac-2 USB 3 balanced as DAC and Loxije P20 as amp.
That combo works good for hd650 but anything else is bad..
Which amp is best for my headphones Fostex and Beyerdynamic will SMSL bring harsh highs on dt770? Can u please help what amp is better fit?
Thanks.
How do you create The Liquid Abstract For the Intro Looks Cool!
How does this compare to the L30/E30 stack?
We can start focusing on other things. It's all just a chain, we have perfected one piece of chain. How long have "audiophiles" wanted the "master" recording from the studio so they can hear it exactly as the engineer intended. This is just one step closer to that. It's not like the industry is taking away your tube amps or EQ or anything else that "colors" the reproduction of the music. If anything this is leveling the playing field and making it much more accessible to everyone. I would like a return of tone controls, I think this would be great since everyone's ears are different and preferences are different. A headphone amp with a few bands or PEQ built in would be awesome ( I think Minidsp makes one).
I'm surprised that there was no comparison to the L30 & E30. But I'm assuming that they don't sound much different judging by the theme of this video. I've been tempted to get this new stack but I already have the L30 & E30. I'm not gonna spend a little more if there's no audible difference
Waiting a comparison also to the 30' vs 50'..
There is no difference. The L30 and E30 are transparent. There is no need to upgrade unless you want other features, but at that point the diminishing returns are massive and all you get is a balanced output you wouldn't need and i believe a different screen on the e50.
Well done with this review, finally someone who is talking the truth about the sound of the dacs and amps, the transparent sound "called colorless" all sounds the same, so if anyone wants to get a better sounding dac and amp combo just put some buffer in between like a good pre-amplifier with tubes and tone controls and keep the actual amp and dac you have ;)
Isn't that the point, to have a amp and dac that does not colour the sound? To hear artists true intentions how it should sound.
How's the Little Dot MKIII vs Darkvoice or Dot MKI?
Is there a difference for hd650/6xx?
AND what about balanced- is there a real difference ?
There is also xduoo series like TA26..
Would be interesting to do tube amp comparison
Great review/rant! Went out and purchased an L50 and E50 stack after thinking long and hard about what DAC/AMP to get and as you say this basically cannibalizes the A90 besides a little bit of power and inputs/outputs but this will power all the headphones I ever plan to get so it works perfect for me! I guess the only logical path to take from here since solid state mid range amps are so great at what they do is to consider tube amps for different sound instead of the natural clinical sound. If you have any recommendations for a tube amp that would suit my collection a reply would be amazing but currently I own HD 800s, HD 6xx and Hifiman edition xs. I am considering other possible headphones in the future just for different sound signatures but not too sure at the moment what I'm really missing out on since I feel as if these 3 headphones probably suit the music I listen to the best and for my use case.
Hi. I am not professional in audio. Just listened to reviews saying that a tube amp for planars are not ok because of low impedance. The cans ok for tube amps are those dinamic with high impedance eg hd600 or t1 600 ohm. I said tube so it means PURE tube amps. Such as Xduoo ta26. Then there are hybrid amps where preamp is tube and amp is solid state. They are more versatile, usually amp solid state class A with tube preamp just for a touch of tube sound. Such as Xduoo mt602 (unbalanced), mt 604 (balanced) or ta30 (dac amp hybrid)
@@leonardopapantoniou4227 ^^^ I use an mt 602 as an amp from my k5 pro to my edition XS. Can recommend! They add a lot of fun, sweet sounding flavor to the music.
As someone who has casually window shopping h Amp/DAC combos for my future hifi setup, I appreciate the candor and reflection on the state of the art in signal chains.
Hi DMS, I remember a couple videos ago you talked about the compression problem on the L30 and the schiit Magni 3. Does the L50 have the same problem?
Do you really need balanced cables for cans like hd660s akg 702 or deva pro used wired? With 6.35 mm connector?
Trying to find an AIO Dac/Amp for HD800S and THX-00’s. I’m torn between Matrix Mini 3, Monolith THX, RME Pro FSR and the DX7 Pro. Or any other similar all in one that would match well with some headroom.
I use the Singxer SA1 with my hd800s and I think it sounds fantastic
I have the MA mini-i pro3 with HD800S and its sounds just right to me and i have tryed Topping A90/D90 MQA compo too but this is better just more lively and smoother :D
I'm torn between L50 vs Asgard 3. Heard great things about the Asgard 3's sound. This will be my first amp. I don't currently have requirement for IEM or balanced in/out. I just placed an order for Aeon Closed X as my first higher end headphone... Currently using Sennheiser PC37X straight from mobo headphone out. It sounds alright... I guess. I'm just starting out and wondering if it's better to go with Asgard 3 or L50... And curious if Asgard 3 + E50 would be a good pairing compared to Modi or Modius? Since I have no reference point I think I'll be pretty happy with either L50 or Asgard 3 but hoping to have some insight from others here. Thank you!
Hopefully you went with Asgard 3
How do they work for the deepest end of bass? Say some of the Bella Sonus tracks where they use some bass down in the sub 30 Hz end? Or a recording of the deepest church organ pipe at 16 Hz?
Do these topping amps sound different than thx amps? Since many are claiming the thx amps to be too neutral and sterile
Between ifi Signature One vs Topping E50 which DAC has more enjoyable sound signature and better soundstage?
I guess it goes to show that measurements are not the be-all and end-all that there is a lot more going on in listening to music and evaluating equipment.
I am new to audio. I kinda saw this amp race and got overwhelmed and said . U know what i lisent to iems and i have easy to drive headphones . Went f it . Got a zen dac . Does its job will not upgrade or sidegrade unless necesary or for flavout purposes. Best gear decision this year
i bought an smsl SP200 for 130 euro a while ago, going for an L50 wouldnt be an upgrade right?
Been using Topping’s electronics for a while and understand why neutrality may be unkind to a lot of recorded music. I also have a nice pair of efficient vintage speakers. I haven’t found the Topping amp and dac thin or harsh but the difference in recordings is huge. A little less transparency and a more lush mid and bass will save the poor records but also limits the lucidity of the good ones. Maybe I just got lucky assembling some old and new stuff I had sitting around but I’m hearing music now like I’ve never heard before. Too bad that the music recording business wasn’t better.
What are some amps you recommend around the $500 mark?
Bought a Topping E30 DAC, no noticeable difference with Presonus Eris 3.5 speakers. Is a DAC worth it in this setup?
i'm curious how this stacks up against an apollo twin
So if the L30 is basically a single ended A90 in a smaller case, and the L50 is a balanced L30 in a slightly larger case....
Do you need A90 anymore at this point?
how does the budget jds atom stack compare to other amps and dacs? Do I need to upgrade if I want a much better sounding experience or is the jds stack already good enough?
nvm 6:59
My problem is I hear sibilance (sp?) in my topping DX3 pro +.. (with Hifiman Sundara's and even in my Sennheiser 560s) And honestly, at this point, I'll take whateverI have to get a decent sound without the harshness that comes with it after about an hour of listening. This combo is pretty cheap now. Should I try these out? Or maybe I'll be fine with the much cheaper SMSL C200 Dac/amp? or am I just crazy?
Topping has always impressed me. Beyond just value for dollar! So so good. But I hear you. Stuff is getting so good that it's tough to tell the difference. At this point, these brands will have to start adding additional features to differentiate themselves beyond low SNR and high power.
You totally missed the point.
Those chifi amps ar all made with opamps by recepy with gobs of feedback and are desigend to measure well instead of sounding good.
@mariodrv Disagree. But you do you.😉
@@mariodrv We are in the space age. Do you really think that signal conversion and amplification is such a difficult problem at this point?
@@mariodrv agree I sold my topping A90 D90 stack and bought the Denafrips Ares 2 and Burson Soloist 3x amp and wow now am hearing stuff and depth layers in music makes me feel the music more. With the Topping A90 it pushed all the information up front so it seemed like you are getting alott of detail but it really did not add depth n layers very cold and antalictical sometimes too sharp. With my new setup I have more of a analogue warm textured sweet sound a holographic feel to the music. My daily drivers is the Arya's now it takes what's good from cans but tames the sibalance of the highs of the Arya's while adding layers and more detail the mids sounds more rounded also now am loving my Arya's even more
@@Josh-os2px did you do a proper blind test? otherwise your comparison is quite meaningless; there are so many listening bias in humans.
perhaps a Burson Dac+amp review??
Hey guys I recently bought the ananda’s and was wondering for a good dac/amp pairing for those
Would this stack be able to drive the HD800s?
my man listen. I bought dt770 80ohm and I and you are the only ones who agree they are thin sounding (despite having bass) and lack body and robustness, and I want to ask you, which headphones are more bassy while still crisp and detailed? I am currently using Superlux 681 EVO with which I am more satisfied than DT770 which disappoint me each time I plug them back to back with superluxes, despite having better detail there is some to be left desired so I will be returning dt770 on monday, but I am looking for some that has as much bass as superlux 681 evo but perhaps more detail .....also thinking of reviewing Superluxes 681 EVO ???? they cost some 30-40bucks. also, not to be confused with 681 model. it's 681 EVO...
Topping E30 or E50 for streaming Qobuz?
Compared to the super transparent approach of Topping, how do you think Geshelli products stack up? Are they also indistinguishable or do they bring some more flavour?
Do you own the ERISH by the way? I can't really compare as I never owned Topping gear, but the ERISH sounds awesome to me!
@@natevirtual I do not. Hence my question. Right now I have a Schiit stack that I want to upgrade and both Geshelli and Topping have similarly priced stacks on offer.