My Decade in Morocco: The Next Ten Years
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- čas přidán 9. 07. 2024
- In this video, I answer the questions Moroccans asked me about my decade in Morocco. Here, I talk about my view of Morocco in the next ten years
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00:00 Intro
00:15 Why Rabat?
02:12 Difference between real and advertised Morocco?
03:15 Morocco now compared with 10 years ago?
06:23 Morocco in the next ten years?
10:00 Rest of your life in Morocco?
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How wonderful the video was and full of positives and hope. Thank you, our honorable professor, for that optimism and love. We are proud to have you with us in your second homeland. We ask Your Excellency for a lot of advice for our youth, some of whom are still risking their lives to immigrate.
I hope that our youth will take your words seriously about Morocco, that their future there is guaranteed, and all they have to do is prepare themselves for the future by learning something, whether administrative, professional, industrial, or tourism, so that before and after the World Cup the work will be much more abundant.
May God bless you and reward you with goodness for every kind word you said about us.
I couldn't have said it better! Thanks for your insight .
My pleasure! Thanks for watching. It would be great if you'd share the link with friends
Thanks for your time.
Great insight! Thank you
I am an ethnic Moroccan who lives in Denmark, and I honestly agree with you on the Marrakesh part. I've always felt a feeling of suffocation every time I visit Marrakesh, which is why I've always preferred the coastal cities, which are less "Give me your money" and more natural if that makes sense. People just act like themselves, and you get immersed into the actual culture of the Moroccan people. I can only imagine how it must've been for you.
Thankyou for the video, my husbands from Rabat ( now been living in Edinburgh for aound 7 years with me). Ive been visiting Morocco for 15 yrs, love the peoples kindness and generosity, i always say to people, never judge Morocco on Marrakech, ive taken a shine to the small town of Anza, just North of Agadir, only last week i spoke to 2 young girls around 9/10 yrs old who's English was excellent. Morocco is certainly moving forward but i hope it doesnt lose it's identity and become too westernised.
Sorry for the long message!😂
Thank you Gari! Have a good day
You too!
I love how u say „we“ u count yourself as one of us, take care and stay healthy
Thanks for spotting that. Honestly, I didn't noticed I had said that until I edited the video.
Great analysis Gari! The country's visibly growing and it's great to have people like you participate fully in allowing young moroccans to open themselves to the rest of the world through the english language. Indeed, there is a real sense of the moroccan people looking forward as one, and it's amazing to experience it first-hand.
Hey Tarek thanks for watching. It's true that Morocco has an exciting vibe about it. It is great to live here and experience that; especially when the alternative is the depressing UK. Check out Part One if you haven't already done so.I'd love to know how much of it you agree with. czcams.com/video/YEg5jOgDxPs/video.html
thanks for the abundant information👍
What another amazing work and clear explanations
Totally agree with every single word said in your video and also I share the same view about Marrakech and Rabat
Thanks again
You're right Marrakech is overwhelming..
Thank you host point of view.
Thank you for sharing your insightful perspective on Morocco's past, present, and future. Your decade-long experience provides valuable insights and challenges common misconceptions. Looking forward to witnessing Morocco's growth and development in the coming years!
Awesome
Hey, Thank you for pointing out all those details, especially highlighting Marrakesh as the heart of Morocco and explaining how each city offers a different vibe based on preferences. That's exactly what I tell my friends when they plan to visit! It's great to hear you're doing well in Rabat too. Take care
Thanks for sharing, mr Gari
My pleasure. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. It would be great if you'd share the link with friends
Well said, thanks for your frankness.
I am moroccan been living 12 years in Manchester. I have learned English and have British citizenship now but I cannot live anymore in the UK ... I am coming back to my town Rabat next couple of months. I would really like to meet you up for a broadcast to share with you my story. Regards.
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Thank you for sharing your vision, and always welcome to Morocco 🤍
Thank you so much. It is a pleasure to be here
I agree with you Mister Sullivan, I feel like English is clearly taking over, and to be honest, that's for the better. As you rightly pointed out, 2030 is on the horizon, and Moroccans should prepare themselves accordingly. I do believe, however, that French won't vanish entirely but rather become less commonly known. I'm saying that because many other african countries still use french. so knowing both French and English will give a tremendous advantage to whoever master both. I'm happy that I can speak four languages (berber, arabic, french and english) and I hope that moroccans will keep being multilingual 🙂
I also hope that Morocco remains multi-lingual. It is something I truly admire in Moroccans. I have many students who are in their early teens and speak three or four languages. Like you, I think English is taking over from French, but it needs to do so quicker - much quicker. Morocco is about 40 years behind other Arabic-speaking nations in this aspect.
Great video, I really love the added videos of the world cup, I also think that really brought the country together. I really appreciate the statistics about COVID as well. Just would like to know is is it easy for you to retire in Morocco. Also how long does it take to become a resident or if you could ever be a citizen. Also is there an easy way to use a banking system that is able to do both USA baking and Moroccan banking. I am considering relocating from America and need to find a bank that I would work from America and be able to access my money in Morocco.
Hi mr gari
Your opinions are clear and fair
We wish you well-being in Morocco✌️
Me bien a Marrakechi 🥲💔
Congrats on the beautiful experience you had here. I agree on what you said about English moving up to be the third 🥉 language soon. we hate french 😅.
Very prescient answers and analysis. I agree 100%.
Thank you so much for your confirmation
@@GariSullivan next time I’m in Rabat, I’ll be on the lookout for a tall Englishman with a hat. It’ll be nice to grab a cold one 🙂
You've expressed it well and you're sharp on point. I have the same thoughts too💪
Thank you for your confirmation
@@GariSullivan espacilly the religion and modern thing. Very very difficult for the country... Religion is blocking and controling many people
Continue in what you're doing, you do a great job,
Thank you so much for your comment and support
Very interesting thanx Gari and still you're welcomed home in Rabat 😉
Nice 👍🏼
100% Agree on Marrakech, that's why I recommend Essaouira and Chaouen among other less known spots for people who just want to have a relaxing vacation without constant harrassment to buy something. I always thought of Marrakech as the Disney version of Morocco, you're funneled there to be milked and not for the authentic and real Moroccan experience.
MOROCCO💗🇲🇦🇲🇦💗🇬🇧🇬🇧
Thank you.
I hope you were satisfied with my answer
Let's gooo
Another interesting video, Gari... Thank you!
I wonder, do you have a preference for Atlantic Coast Morocco, or Mediterranean Coast Morocco?
I live by the Atlantic and I love it. I don't think I have a true preference. Living by an expanse of water is always a wonderful thing. I guess my imagination and thoughts can travel further across views of the Atlantic to countries in South America as I imagine people in Brazil and Agentina looking out across to Africa.
@@GariSullivan... Thanks for your reply, Gari... I wondered if you might say this or that coast is warmer, or cooler. But, of course, as you say, living by the Atlantic Ocean in itself is inspiring..😊... and enjoyable !!
Hi Gari!
After viewing the first part of the video, I must say, I completely agree with you on Marrakech. I've long considered it a "scam" city, even for Moroccans themselves. It's regrettable that it's the top tourist destination in Morocco, but I can see the appeal. Whenever any of my friends expresses interest in visiting Morocco, I always caution them that I do not think that Marrakech represents the real, simple and natural Morocco which I find to be much more fascinating than the "spoiled" world of Marrakech.
Thank you for watching. I hope you managed to view the second part of the video, also :)
As a Moroccan, I agree with your words, especially Marrakesh, as the majority of Moroccans do not consider it their tourist destination. As for the English language, all Moroccans love to speak it, it is easy and the whole world speaks it. Moroccans want to get rid of the French language completely and replace it with English, but the government has a different opinion.
Not only the government. I have had some really strongly worded comments against the idea of English coming to Morocco.
@@GariSullivan They are definitely not Moroccans. Even my French teacher told me that French is not important and that I care about English because it is the world language. Even in France, if you want to complete your doctorate, you need a degree in the English language, and the reason for the presence of the French is French colonialism, as it has a great influence on the Moroccan government, and I hope that the situation will change.
Je suis d'accord avec toi . Marrakech est trop bruyant.
J'habite à Tanger ,et c'est vraiment la ville idéale...
I love your videos and this QA session has been delightful. While I love Marracash I ttly get what you are saying. It can leave a bad taste in peoples mouths. Albeit I do not think it is fair to exclude cities like Marracash to Morocco, or London to the UK or NYC to USA, as not being part of their own countries NYC is American just as Kansas, London is the UK just as Hartfordshire, and Marracash is Morocco just as Meknes is. Just a different side of the country.
I have to say I respectfully disagree with you. I come from Newcastle in North East England. I lived in London for over a decade. I and many other Brits regard London as a city unlike the rest of the UK. If there are any Moroccans out there living in the UK outside of London, but have visited London, let us know what you think.
welcome to Dakhla my city . south of morocco
THANKS FOR THE VIDEO . CAN U DO A VIDEO ABOUT VISA TYPES AND HOW EASY IT IS TO RESIDENCE IN MOROCCO THANKS
You actually right I can’t even stay more then 3 days in marrakech as moroccan I got hustled there so many times lot of scammers and marrakech does give a bad name to Morocco abroad
Yeah, Three days is my absolute limit, too. I tell as many tourists and friends to avoid Marrakesh or spend very little time there. Many other cities in Morocco are much nicer
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The links are not clickable ^^" btw I love your video ❤
Could you tell me what links you are refering to? I have tested all the links I can see and they work for me.
8:20 yeah that's what surah Al ASR says "By time, indeed mankind are in loss, except those who believed, did good deeds and advised each other with truth and advised each other with the patience"
You have the choice either you submit to the truth or to the huge diversity of distractions that lead people to subjective choices based on their brainwashed ideologies rejecting the objective way of life based on the creator's will.
Vive le roi 🇲🇦🇲🇦🇲🇦🇲🇦🇲🇦❤️❤️
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Hello 👍👍🌹🌹
I hope you remember me I am a Moroccan and also I live in Marrakech you replied to my comment the last video thanks, my opinion on yours yeah Marrakech just want money but their culture is good and im proud of it, and i love english i always put my lauguage on english and i learned French from english, and here my question.
What do you think of the social services the last ten years, and what do you think about the Haouz earthquake.
Thank you for your question. I haven't had to use the social services in Morocco. I have spent a small amount of time in Moroccan state schools. I have offered to volunteer as an English teacher, but the amount of bureaucracy I and the school have to go through before I am accepted is madness. That needs to change.
With regard to the Earthquake: I made a video about it. czcams.com/video/0g881PuklF0/video.html
My internet in Maroco is not even 5G but is faster than the fastest UK internet, I will tell u that
In uk u can pay 40 quid, they will tell u “optic fibre & flashy name, after 2 weeks, u will have an internet from the year 2000
Here it’s just €20 a month and speed never dropped
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Do uknow alot ppl when the hearing from morocco they think just a deser and camel and some they think we don't hqve water when he hearing from morocco north africa
Actually I am impressed with how Muslims are respected in England or Britain at large, but the western values are not limited to religion it’s the whole nine yards which is scary 😊
"respected" in a very generous term, can we for once in our lives stop being such Western bootlickers
I can assure you, I am not a boolicker😮 what boggles my mind is why do the Muslim authorities destroy some Ulamas the Muslim faith and Muslims institutionally and culturally
the majority of the so called modern classes are the real bootlickers of the west and all the work is left for the populace mostly poor to pick up the pieces and act like they are determined to keep Morocco in the Muslim Arab Amazigh and now Jewish environment, whereas we see the majority of the forces, especially the rich, and the government is really obedient To the west and kills any type of attempt to keep the traditions and make the youngsters stick to Islam in the moderate way. It’s either they are funding terrorists, or Sufis( zawaya), or sometimes even criminals to bring wrong Western values to destroy the very fabric of society just a thought.
@@imadkahya6955well she spoke the truth yeah there is more freedom of religion in Britain then there is in Morocco facts you got to respect that
@@rawdaw3869 oh rawdaw you're talking like you're living under sharia law and you'll get stoned if you became an apostate , you're also bootlicking and trying so hard to "respect" them .
@@rawdaw3869 oh rawdaw you're talking like you're living in a country where you'll get behe@ded if you became an apostate , you're also bootlicking and trying so hard to "respect" them .
عندك الحق و متفق معك كليا و لما ذكرت مراكش علمت قبل كلامك أنك ستتكلم عن تلك النقاط الكحلة عن مراكش.
في مراكش أصبح رد السلام هو give money firstly هذا لاحظته في كل فيديوهات السياح الدين يصورون فيديوهات عن زيارتهم في جميع أماكن مدينة مراكش أينما حط السائح رجله يقومون بطلبه بالمال ثم المال.
يجب على الدولة أولا توعية هؤلاء بأدب التعامل و ثانيا من لم يتوعى إتخاد إجراءات ردعية ضدهم فالكل يشتكي من صاحب الطاكسي في المطار إلى صاحب الكوتشي و صاحب البزار إلى حلايقية جامع الفنا و و سيرفورات المطاعم و المقاهي إلى كل شيء بل حتى المغاربة سياح يضيقون درعا بمراكش من هذه التصرفات.
In many 3rd world countries u can see doctor in 20 mins
In UK u need to wait 6 months
So I don’t think uk is a good example to compare COVID cases
Tettouan is also big city and beauty than fes or marakech
Just a minor correction, Morocco is not an Arabic country. Morocco is a Moorish/Amazigh country!
Moorish ? Amazigh 😂😂😂😂 where u get that hestory from
Show just one book hestory with this name's or just DNA for that o number or langugae or just one curncy
@@mrscott7696
What non sense did you just typed? What language was that?😅 I guess Karghouli language maybe?😅
@@mrscott7696 read a little bit more books and history, in fact morocco is pagan, amazigh, arab and Moorish yes
Arabic & proud of it. Speak for yourself only
Morocco is a bit of a mix of all of the above. Ps. Soms of you need an english lesson
We aren't arabs, we are arabized... It's like saying Mexicans are Spanish
LES gouts ne se discutent pas. Your experience is yours.You are not a STANDARD PERSON .Your opinion is for you.Morocco is for allpeople
I hope Morocco will become more moroccan and not westernised .the west has some good things but it should never be an exemple to follow.
It is true that the West has some good aspects that Morocco should copy, but Morocco is its own country. It would be wise to look at the good and bad things of the west and choose what is right for Morocco and its people
@elya…..
The west is BIG concept. Not all the countries under what so called “west” have the same agenda or share same values. The “West” concept is actually very outdated. For example, do you think France share same values/agenda/vision of the future… with Britain? Scandinavian country? Canada? the US?
Do you know that countries like Japan, South Korea are mapped as “west” as well?
So talking about the “west” as a homogeneous cluster of countries is actually not making sense 😅 just like putting all the Middle East and North Africa in the same basket!
@Gari
I agree with you Gari, Morocco will become for sure more liberal and secular nation. As a matter of fact, before the attempt to arabitize the country, Morocco was indeed a secular and liberal nation. And yes History will repeat itself again as we all know😅. Moroccans have never and will never accept to live under the same systems/culture/customs of the Middle East. That’s why the version of is..lam adopted in 🇲🇦 has nothing to do with the one in the Middle East. The rulers of Morocco already knew that long time ago, even before adopting it. That’s why they had to tailor the religion to better fit the Moroccan free spirit. And I bet you can see that in your daily life in🇲🇦. It’s more of a cultural heritage than actual religion.
Cheers!
@@conanberry4833I think Morocco need to learn a lot from the west they will advance and I’m moroccan lot of things need to change in Morocco apart from religion Morocco need to change
@@rawdaw3869
For sure👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Morocco needs to learn from the best in the west such USA, UK, Japan
@@conanberry4833 yeah that’s what I meant they need to learn the good things the west have specially law system
Rabat s a grumpy city.
I have heard it described as "boring" many times, but never grumpy. Where are you from?
@@GariSullivan I m originally from the Atlas but live in Casablanca.
You have identified Morocco as an Arabic Country. Morocco is a Moorish Country, and here is why.
Arab-identifying Moroccans are Arabised Moors due to pan-Arabism induced by the British Empire’s plan of disturbing Ottoman rule in ex-Ottoman territories by creating a new populist pan-Arabist identity that opposed Turkish dominance. Morocco was never conquered by the Ottoman Empire, but due to the geographic, historical (victim of European imperialism), and cultural bonds that it has with its neighbouring majority Muslim MENA countries. The State has therefore adopted the same Pan-Arabist dialogue in schools, media, and overall society. This addressed the effects of French linguistic and cultural influence in Morocco.
But, this plan was wrong, very wrong. As we are Moors, not Arabs. Pan-Arabism in Morocco started by altering the historical dialogue, teaching kids in school that the history of Morocco started with the Idrissids and that they are arab (total complete BS, Idrissids are Awraba tribe moors that elected Idriss who was an imam to rule them, as he showed good character and was related to the Prophet which increased his appeal). Morocco is not 1200 years old, it is much older... Where is all the past Moorish history? erased, were we barbaric before Islam? complete BS.
Anyway, the process of Arabisation was completely horrible. The Fassi elite led by absolutely twisted and delusional people like Allal El Fassi have committed such erroneous acts by unleashing their propaganda campaigns which did absolutely work. People started being ashamed of talking Tamazight, never spoke it to their children, their children identified as Arab (like what does it even mean, how are you arab? Just take a bloody DNA test) and so on and so forth.
A Historical Perspective:
The North African genetic construct hasn't changed much. Arabian DNA constitutes the smallest minority, at less than 1%. In fact, 1% is an exaggeration. In the 15th century, some literature suggests that a few thousand Arabians migrated from Arabia to North Africa. At that time, the population of North Africa was 50 million, according to Statista. Thus, the 400,000 Arabian migrants who spread throughout North Africa constituted 0.8% of the population. Again, 400,000 is an exaggerated number. And you should know that this concentration increases the farther eastward you go through North Africa. For example, in Egypt, the percentage of Arabian DNA is actually 2%, and it's the same in Tunisia (due to the Umayyads, Fatimids, etc.).
Now you might say, "Hm, but Arabians migrated to Morocco during the 7th century when the Umayyads spread Islam, right?" Yes, a few did, but less than five decades later, they were expelled during the Amazigh revolt. So, there were almost no Arabians in Morocco during that time.
Now, you might say, "But Arabs came after the Reconquista." Again, this is incorrect according to the book "The Moors in Spain," written by the historian Stanley Lane-Poole in 1886. The term "Arab" was not even mentioned. Andalusia was conquered by Moors. So, who are the Moors? We are the Moors. "Moor" comes from the word "Tamurt," which means the land in Tamazight. An example of its use is Marrakesh, which is Amur Akush. "Amur" means the land, and "Akush" means god. So, it translates to "the land of God." For a very long time, we referred to ourselves as Moors. Spanish people still do, calling us "Moros." Moors are the Moroccan Amazigh, or simply the Moroccans.
So, are you Arab? It depends on how you define Arab. But genetically, you are Amazigh, meaning North African. Take a DNA test and discover the truth.
Definitions:
Amazigh: The people of North Africa, from Mauritania and Morocco, until the Delta of the Nile in Egypt.
Moor or Moorish: The people that make up today’s countries of Morocco, Mauritania, and East Algeria (parts that were gifted to Algeria due to French imperialism). Basically, Moors are a Branch of Amazigh people (like if you say, Italians are peoples of southern Europe (or Latins...)). The word Moor comes from the Amazigh word Tamurt which means the LAND. So per Islam, Morocco was Called Mauritania by the Romans, Moor or Maur (Itania-attached), another use of the word Tamurt is in the name of the city of Marrakesh, the capital of the great Souss, and the capital of many Moorish dynasties, Marrakesh is Amur- Akush, Amur (Land), Akush (God), so the Land of God.
Bibliography:
"The Moors in Spain" by Stanley Lane-Poole - This book provides historical context on the Moorish influence in Andalusia and could be useful for understanding the broader historical narratives involving Moors and their identity distinct from Arabs.
"The Amazighs: The History and Legacy of Morocco’s Indigenous Berber People" by Charles River Editors - This book explores the history and culture of the Berber (Amazigh) people, providing a contrast to the Arab identity narrative in Morocco.
"Re-Envisioning the Maghreb: On the Cultural Politics of Berber/Amazigh Identity" by Fazia Aïtel - This academic article discusses cultural politics and identity among the Berber populations in North Africa, particularly focusing on how identities are constructed in opposition to dominant Arab narratives.
"The Berber Identity Movement and the Challenge to North African States" by Bruce Maddy-Weitzman - This book examines the modern political movements among Berber communities in North Africa, discussing the impact of Pan-Arabism and the resistance to Arab-centric national identities.
"Morocco: The Islamist Awakening and Other Challenges" by Marvine Howe - Howe provides an overview of modern Moroccan political and social issues, including the role of Pan-Arabism and its effects on national identity policies.
"Imagining the Middle East: The Building of an American Foreign Policy, 1918-1967" by Matthew F. Jacobs - While not Morocco-specific, this book discusses how Western powers, including the British, influenced Middle Eastern and North African policies and identities, which may add depth to your discussion on external influences on Arab identity.
"Historical Dictionary of the Berbers (Imazighen)" by Hsain Ilahiane - This reference provides a detailed overview of Berber history and culture, including the historical interactions with Arab populations.
But so many 3rd world countries handled COVID-19 better than uk. In fact so many have a better health system than uk
as a young full-blooded actual Moroccan, I fully disagree with every single thing you're saying, can you westerners ever not be a bunch of colonial supremacists, we've seen what your Western "WAYS" were and we fought tooth and nail of our independence, focus your efforts on your own imploding societies that are collapsing despite being the ones that exploiting most of the world
تبني القيم الغربية ستجعلنا نبدو كالغراب لا نحن سنصير غربين و لن نقدر على عودة الى اصالتنا
ما هي أصالتك؟ في الخمسينيات، كان المغرب يقيم مسابقات تجميل مع نساء مثيرات على الشاطئ. هل هذه هي أصالتك؟ قبل 300 سنة، لم تكن الفتيات المغربيات يذهبن إلى المدرسة. هل هذه هي أصالتك؟
@@GariSullivan القيم الغربية صارت اكثر تطرفا و انحطاطا لذا اعتقد انه يجب على الناس ان يحمي نفسهم منها و الا يتأثرو بها بشكل كبير لان في حالة غرق فيها لن ينجدك احد كشعب غير غربي
نحن كمسلمين نرحب بالآخرين كيفما كان نوعهم لكن المصيبة هي حينما يختفي الدئب في صوف الحلم
Marrakesh is for tourism, not stability
Morocco it's an arabic amazigh country just don't listen to nonsense of some people like Moroccans talk in Chinese theirs darija is mixed with 80% Arabic and 20% of french and Spanish
Talking in Arabic doesn't make you Arab dummy!
And you forgot how many amazigh words there are so many words that is amazigh and you think it’s arabic
More western values means accept aspect of life that does not suit your faith and way of life,accept what the west impose on you, western values that does have nothing to do with you... Morocco ruled from southern France to north of Senegal River by sticking to its moroccan values and Moroccan way of living...
Actually, that's not true. Morocco can and should choose what aspects of western culture it wants to adopt. There are a lot of things about the west that would improve Morocco. We have greater longevity, lower infant mortality, etc. How and why we have these things is something Morocco should study and learn from us. I am not saying that the West is perfect. I am not saying that Morocco should take everything from the west. However, to reject everything from the West as being immoral and against your faith is silly! When has an extra ten years of life-expectancy being something that is against Islam?
5g is alrady there.
Morocco still needs to improve education.
No sabes nada de Marruecos porque solo has ido a hacer turismo no has visto ni 5% de Marruecos
Vivo en Marruecos desde hace una década. Ese hecho me da una comprensión del país más profunda de la que usted afirma tener.
No sé el porcentaje de tierra marroquí que he visitado, pero he experimentado muchos aspectos de este país. Conozco marroquíes de diferentes orígenes sociales y he compartido experiencias con el pueblo marroquí de los últimos diez años.
Non Franche
😂😂 vous ne connaissez pas le Maroc 🇲🇦.
Les Marocains qui faisaient des échanges avec la reine Élisabeth 1èr sont les mêmes marocains de 2024 et 2045.
Maghreb = Maroc = Occident 🇲🇦 dokhti al khawa Wla cheni 3endaak
Morocco is not arab we are berber amazigh
No, on the contrary, religion is the reason for the pride and prosperity of Muslims and their backwardness resulting from imitating the life of the West and their distance from their religion. This is stated in the Holy Qur’an and confirmed by Muslims in the past. In your view, is nudity, forbidden relationships and drinking alcohol what will benefit the nation and curb the development of this nation?
Not at all. Only in your imagination😅 watch out for the amount of brainwash you get from the petrodollars media😉😅
There is more to western society than nudity, "forbidden" relationships and drinking alcohol. Look at some of the positives from the west.
@@GariSullivan and what are those positives? invading and colonizing most of the planet Earth? literary plundering the resources of 80% of the world? being at the center of every global conflict? does the sheer magnitude and size of the arrogance you Western supremacists hold ever give you back pain??? all your so-called progress is not only phenomenaly hypocritical but literry only sustained through the exploitation of most of the nonwestern countries, your "developed nations" were built on the suffering of millions
@@GariSullivan
You can tell that what s/he said is simply the propaganda of the Mus..lim brotherhood gangsters who intend to picture the western civilization that way.
@@GariSullivan I did not mean the positive or negative side. No, you said that there is development, but religion will curb this development. I told you that religion forbids the taboos that are in the West, such as nudity and other things, and not science, but religion encourages science and learning