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- On episode 266 of McRae LIVE, I wanna hear from you, the Halloween fans, on what YOU want for the future of the franchise. What would YOU say to Malek Akkad if you had 5 minutes?
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My full pitch idea is to redcon all of the sequels, keeping only the original Halloween as canon, and having either every episode or every season takes place during a different year in Haddonfield. The original movie took place in 1978, so episode one for example could take place the following year in 1979 where Michael Myers isn’t that big of a deal yet, and they follow different characters who encounter the shape on Halloween. Then the next episode could take place in 1980 and follow different or similar characters who also encounter the shape on Halloween. As the episodes and time go on, Michael Myers becomes more and more infamous. And then maybe as a season finale, instead of going in order of the years, maybe an episode takes place in 1963. Or maybe an episode takes place from a different perspective in 1978, or maybe an episode jumps way ahead to the 2000s. But all the episodes take place in Haddonfield on or around Halloween. Just with different characters encountering the boogeyman of haddonfield. Some episodes end with survivors that spread the lore to the town and some episodes there are no survivors. Kind of like an anthology, but still staying connected to Haddonfield, Halloween, and Michael Myers. Lots of stalking and suspense that build a foundation for moments of climax to be appreciated. Keep it ambiguous and the audience should always be going back and forth wondering if Michael is a man or a ghost or an alien or whatever. Don’t make it clear but give little hints that allude to one way or another. Make some characters related to or familiar with 1978 characters. Utilize nostalgia and classic tropes while still attempting fresh innovative concepts. Focus on specific areas like the old haddonfield factory or a local farm or even just a sidewalk that some friends walk down every day.
Make the Halloween Returns Script they were considering before the DGG trilogy
My pitch: make it scary. Which is a difficult thing to pull off nowadays in a world where movies have become artless vessels of content designed to appease every demographic. Do you want people in seats? Do you want to reignite the Halloween flame? Do you want to take the horror crown? Hire a serious team. Give me something cerebral and terrifying. Give me the atmosphere and dread of Hereditary and It Follows with a Fall backdrop. Give me The Boogeyman who watches and lives in every shadow. Make Michael Myers scary again. Not this balding, convulsing geriatric who gets beaten up by kids, grandmothers and SNL characters. Take your monster seriously. Take your story seriously. Have a vision. And you will regain trust and excitement for years to come.
Then why have Michael Myers at all? Its time to allow a younger man or woman to become "the shape".
@@ButterCookie1984 Because we all want Michael Myers. He’s eternally Halloween and cool. I’m all for a new actor. I personally would keep away from Airon Armstrong. I don’t want any of that Blumhouse funk near this. Making The Shape female isn’t a bad idea, but it feels gender swapping just for the sake of gender swapping. It’s too much of a risk and would inevitably backfire unless it’s an amazing story, and even then would still face a massive uphill climb that would garner nothing but disdain. No more requals. No more time hopping and being cute. No more directionless cash grabs. Start fresh. Make it a period piece. I still think the 70s is ideal. And allow us to follow a new lead and new characters. Or flip the old story on its head. Kill Laurie. Anything bold and smart. I just want this to have some bite to it. A meanness that the franchise is severely lacking. Start the first few episodes focusing on Michael and then let the series evolve into an anthology that focuses on Halloween and horrific events in the lives of different families/people across the country with Michael being an anchor. It’s all there. Ozgood Perkins would crush this.
Hard to argue with this.
If I had 5 minutes with Malek I would tell him let Dave McCrae make whatever version of Halloween the man wants.
I wouldn’t have a pitch I would ask Malik why he allowed David Gordon green to kill off Michael Myers, when clearly his father did not want that to happen
Your 5 minute pitch is brilliant. You need to get that 1950s pitch to Akkad asap.
I'm big on continuity and I just now had a crazy thought. What if, at the beginning of a new film, there are quick flashes of every single movie featuring Michael Myers as if it's all canon, but hasn't happened yet. Like a dream his mother has, about possible outcomes for her son's destiny. She wakes up the day of or before the original killing of Judith in Halloween 1 and is worried. So it's kind of a prequel where she tries to prevent Michael from becoming the Shape. In so doing, maybe creating a new timeline, which doesn't necessarily negate the others, like a mini multi verse, without it actually being so. That way, whatever films in the series you like, they can all still co exist and you can start a new series in the same franchise without negating the others, perhaps even somehow incorporating H3? I don't know, crazy idea, but one I thought could work if done correctly. I feel like many fans feel alienated because their timelines that they prefer keep getting negated over and over, so I thought this might be a good compromise. Sorry for being long-winded lol
The crazier the better imo👍
Halloween Returns script is a great idea!
Could not agree more, Dave! WHHHHHHYYYYYY MUST we DEMYSTIFY EVERYTHING?! Do not do not do NOT give us a Loomis background much less a Smith's Grove background! We do NOT NEED to see it!
They should do a movie like the flash back scene in the halloween kills But a whole movie just like in the 70s feel like that flash back scene! Maybe add more to Michael's capture back in 1978 .....cause the flash back scene was one of the best thing in halloween kills ... had the 70s feel the lightning the vhs feel to it just a something there i think there could do something with a 70s feel.........!
Dave's idea of setting the storyback even past the 70s is spot on.
Original story doesn't work in modern society
My Pitch: Michael Myers Meets the Wolfman. Michael returns to Haddonfield and Lawrence Talbot takes on the Loomis role and tries to warn everyone about his return similar to how he warns of Dracula’s return in Abbott and Costello Meet Frankenstein. A fun clash of a classic Universal monster facing off against a modern classic. Shoot it in the style of the Kills flashback with a 1940’s flair. Make it super atmospheric. That’s my dream project. Would heavily lean into the themes of the Wolfman being a man who otherwise wouldn’t hurt a fly having to turn into a monster during the full moon and how he grapples with that while having to stop the personification of evil.
I would rather not hold a conversation a guy that allowed Myers to be paraded around town on top of a car like a christmas tree to get dumped in a grinder and killed. Like wtf!? Sorry but I still have a hard time with Ends. Great show Dave!
That's why I have not and will not watch that film ever again. I'd rather happily watch Resurrection and Halloween 5 back to back every weekend
My pitch:
The overall tone/vibe is in the same vein as a traditional 80's style slasher movie that more or less rips off the 1997 movie, Con Air.
We start with a bunch of extremely dangerous criminals to be transported by plane.
Myers has the same introduction as the "Garland Greene boarding scene. (Exactly the same)
Most of the prisoners know of him and are visibly nervous by his very presence.
The plane ultimately is taken over by the prisoners and is forced to land at a pre determined location. One of the prisoners stupidly releases The Shape from his bindings to either challenge him or form an alliance. Either way, the stupid prisoner dies.
Myers starts picking the rest off one by one. (remember, these guys are the lowest of the low, Myers is the hero here).
The cops eventually show up. Myers starts picking them off too. (Myers turns heel) You could even throw in a Cameron Poe type character to face off with Michael Myers towards the end.
Then in a totally unexpected turn of events, from out of nowhere, Samuel Loomis turns up like an absolute mad man duel wielding pistols, (like Yosemite Sam) and just starts blasting at anything that has a pulse. This is never explained and no one survives. The End.
Or if you want to go really nuts, the prisoners botch the escape plan causing the plane to crash land in the middle of a huge forest. The camera pans back revealing a huge lake. The camera continues to pan back to reveal a familiar sign...Camp Crystal Lake. 🤯 Roll opening credits.
Thank you for your time, Mr Akkad.
I'll see myself out.
Complete reboot/reset with new characters. Honor the spirit of 1978 with mood, atmosphere, tension, and suspense. Bring back the ambiguous, motiveless, and terrifying shape. Don’t bother with another origin, just kinda do what Matt Reeve’s The Batman did and throw us right into the mayhem. Also, a proper fall foliage atmosphere really goes a long way.
Finally, keep Michael in the 20th century. He works better there and you can avoid logic issues much better with less technology and social media. Can’t just pull a phone out and call the police if you can’t reach a landline.
2028 is a perfect release date.
With the Noir angle would Michael be demystified a bit? Would he be like he was in the original or completely human? Or completely supernatural? Or if you completely remake it like that it also means changing some of his inception details?
Just pull a James Cameron when he was asked to pitch a sequel to Alien. Walk into the room, write 'Halloween' on the dry erase board, then right and 'S' at the end of the word, and turn it into a dollar sign. Then you just walk out of the room and hope Malek bought it. It's science.
I like the idea you and Tony discussed on Two Dudes a few years back. A movie set jn the 1950s
Same its a really cool idea....I would have Loomis telling the story years later shot in color and the scenes in the 50s shot in black and white. Maybe Michael was never caught in the 50s and its why Loomis is telling the story to someone to try to piece together an old case.
Make it scary..suspense and needs a good story!
How about an anthology series that takes place in the same universe as the first two Halloweens and it deals with the ramifications and other unexplained phenomena that occurs in and around Haddonfield. S1 deals with the Charlie Bowles story which directly leads into Smith Grove with young Michael Myers being incarcerated and S2 explores his time and upbringing at the institute. It ends with him escaping leading into the events of 1978. S3 takes place a few years after and it explores another inmate who escaped that same night and is terrorizing another town with his crimes being linked to “The Shape” a figure who comes out to kill every Halloween Night
I think people always underestimate the scare imapct the original Mask had on people. Halloween is a classic. I love it. For me though it is the way that damn mask looked especialy when he holds up the phone after killing Lynda.
Perfect movie, but that damn mask was the thing that freaked me TF out when I was a kid.
Any new iteration of this story is never gonna be able to replicate the impact of that damn mask from the OG
As Always Awesome Show Dave .
You have my idea…noir Halloween/Michael Myers.
My pitch : It starts off with Right where the first one finishes where Michael's gone. Loomis comes out of the Doyle's house. (Have a Loomis look alike like they did in Halloween kills with the prosthetics make up) Michael is now loose in Haddonfield going door to door killing people trying to stay one step ahead of Loomis and the police.a storm comes rolling in thunder and lightning storm raining the whole rest of the movie. Have Michael come to a house where seniors having a house party(Main character besides Loomis is Ben Trammer) The teens parents arrive back home bust up the party the teens decide to take the party at the high school. Michael follows them to the high school and have the rest of the film having Michael lurking, stalking and killing them in the high school. Have some brutal kills in the biology lab using acid to burn one of the victims. Homemic class using the oven to burn another victim. Loomis tracks Michael down to the School where Loomis and Michael have a final showdown in the swimming pool in gym class. One of them makes it out alive who will it be?
I'm all for that minus the pool. Lol
They battle it out in a 100m backstroke race😂
My pitch would start off with, “Malak, I think you should do a Sheriff Barker series.” JK
A crazy idea I had that’ll never happen is to do a direct sequel to H1 using about half of the scenes from H2 and shooting new scenes to incorporate into it. Get rid of the sibling twist and some of the hospital scenes. Keep the opening sequence with the Elrods and have Michael kill more people in the neighborhood like how he killed Alice. I love those scenes in H2 and would like to see more of Michael going around town while everyone is scared from hearing about his crimes on the news. Eventually he finds out Laurie is in the hospital and goes after her to finish the job. Have there be a different reason why Loomis goes to the hospital since Michael and Laurie are no longer siblings. I would suggest shooting on film for this movie. No digital cameras. Make it look and feel like H1 and H2 as much as possible.
I also like the idea of doing an anthology film or series. It could be a Season of the Witch reboot/sequel, a Charlie Bowles story, or something else that widens the scope of the universe.
Another idea is to keep the original Halloween canon and do a period piece set in the early 80s. Michael disappeared in 1978 and reappears in, say, 1980 or ‘81. Don’t have Laurie Strode in it. Focus on some new characters but keep Dr. Loomis in it.
Had this been done before all of the IT/Stranger Things craziness and success, I would say Goonies/Monster Squad meets Halloween. Have it focus on a bunch of kids who duke it out against Mikey on the ol' All Hallows Eve.
What “I” would do to give Halloween a proper ending? It has nothing to do with how I would end it but how it needs to end. If anybody reading this is a true Halloween fan, if they were given the opportunity to write and give Halloween the proper ending, one would have to go back to the original. We’ve see it trillions of times and we all can quote this movie till we are all blue in the face but has anyone really paid attention to Loomis talking to Brackett in the Myers house? First, what we all need to acknowledge is Michael is known as The Shape. Second, you can not kill Michael. The Shape took six shots to the upper chest area and he is still alive? Loomis says in the sequel “he isn’t human.” As a fan, I can write the finale installment one of two ways: one would be the ultimate family reunion bloodbath or the other would be that Michael Myers is a figment of one’s imagination. Now that I’m writing this, why not combine the two storylines together to make up for the debacle that is Halloween Ends. I mean, seriously, that was proof you can fuck up a one car funeral. In order for Laurie to defeat Michael and grind his ass up at a car junkyard, that to me had a Christine rip off, we got our man Michael living like Pennywise in a sewer and weak? I saw no purpose for Lindsey and Officer Frank Hawkins to still be alive. Hawkins should been dead in Halloween 2018 and Lindsey should’ve met her demise with the rest of “legacy”characters. Halloween Ends clearly showed signs that the writers got bored and they really did not know what to do with the characters. I would love the opportunity to write the finale entitled, Halloween: Revelations. My name is Gene Arbuthnot, you can find me on Facebook and if you have Messenger we can vid chat. Stay spooky! 💀
Scrap anything connected to the original. Something completely new with elements that give respects from what came before:
Setting- 1940-1950 small suburban city in Chicago.
Premise- Myers family is well respected in community(wealthy, in politics). Not the main focus! Young Myers(10 years) with no explanation one night on Halloween murders his whole family mother, father, and sister. Continues his spree next door then right before he kills the father of the neighbors house he is apprehended. (Note: the father of the slaughtered family was named Sam Loomis at the time was the county's DA).
Town is torn and Sam Loomis current DA tries his best to convince and prove Myers competency during the murders of his family and the Myers family. Ultimately convinced as mentally unstable and is sent to Smith's Grove sanitarium for the criminally insane. Fast forward 15 years Sam Loomis is now weathered and a torn man struggling with alcohol. Myers escapes from the sanitarium one rainy night on Halloween (acquires his famous mask and coveralls) and goes on a random killing spree across the town. Loomis aware of his escape tries to pull himself together in an attempt to hunt him down and stop Myers once and for all. In the wake of the hunt of Myers Loomis has to battle his own demons of regret and his alcoholism to defeat and put to rest the evil that destroyed his life and the way people celebrate Halloween in the town of haddonfield. (Horror, drama)
Mood and atmosphere dark and gritty. Watching Loomis's ark develop throughout the film.
Could compare this premise with Quint and the shark with Jaws.
Easy, make a true crime, zodiac, seven, silence of the lambs film with heavy detective work and forensic science. Focus mostly on the FBI team characters as they follow a trail of murders as opposed to teenagers. Make michael a realistic serial killer and not a hollywood monster.
Nods
Underrated idea and approach. Love all those films so in my opinion this would work with something like Halloween as well.
Hey Dave! I gave a more detailed version of my pitch in the comments section of the very first episode of One Good Scare! You can review it there!
I'm all for theatres just putting the classics in theatre again FFS.
I'd pay to see Empire Strikes Back or Jurassic Park, or Raiders, or Se7en again in a theatre even though I own them on UHD
missed the livestream, caught the replay, entertaining as always dave, thank you again. I like the film noir idea again you had, but personally i like it better with a nightmare on elm st, or say from a springwood butcher angle. A mortal slasher, child predator in the area, sends the town into lock down/panic. In black and white, early 1960s setting. I would luv to see something like that. Of course im still hoping for a full length springwood butcher film in the future. As far as a halloween pitch, dave im with you. Im michael myers fatigued. Dont need anymore films. Personally i think these films have gotten worse with each one over the last 28-30 years, and i dont want to see the franchise get any more black eyes so to speak with another sub-par/ awful film.
always loved Dave's take on Halloween!!!! damn so damn good! 🔪🎃🇨🇦
Let’s face it Halloween as a horror franchise has run its course. Seriously. It’s over.
However, that doesn’t mean there’s no other genres to explore.
Sci/Fi Halloween: T2 vibes. This time Michael is there to protect Laurie.
RomCom Halloween: Ditch the brother sister angle obviously. This time Michael & Laurie try to make it work in the topsy turvy world.
Screwball Family Comedy Halloween: The night HE came home. And zany wackiness ensued.
Hallmark Christmas Halloween: Single, big city high powered executive Laurie wearily returns to Haddonfield wondering if she’ll ever find love. Enter escaped mental patient who reached her the true meaning of Halloween AND Christmas.
I wish we did get the Halloween Resurrection Sequel, Halloween Retribution 🎃 Even though most plot points did get used in later sequels, and the ending went to The orphan movie lol
Start it over with a plot that can keep going like scream. Id take Danielle Harris and have her be the girl in the first one and have it be like a sequel to 4-6 but in a way that would be a fresh movie that people wouldn't have to know anything about 4-6. Then find a girl like the girl in those new scream movies to be in the next couple and just keep going. Keep Michael kinda like 6 where we debate if he's super natural or not but just keep it simple. Dude shows up on Halloween every few years and kills people 😁
Ellie Cornell's brother-in-law is Sebastian Gorka. If anyone knows who that is... 😲 😅😅😅
How's it going Dave .. we had gory. How about not gory . Super scary like part 1
Let's do a black version of Halloween let Jordan Peele direct this boy is picked on in school he likes a girl but the bullies kill him on Halloween but no one ever found his body when they searched a couple years later he comes back on Halloween for his revenge against everyone
Dave I’m loving what you’re doing brother. Keep on the good work for Halloween…. We need something good after Halloween Ends. Let’s Hope To See The Boogeyman Again On The Big Screen 💯💯💯 We All Deserve It…. Blumhouse Messed Up With Ends… And Honestly I’m Ok With A Reboot At This Time… I’m Done With The Laurie Strode Story… Let’s Get Michael Starting Over With New People, A Whole New Synopsis… New Protagonist, New People…
But with the same elderly Michael?
@@ButterCookie1984definitly not the elderly Michael lol. Fresh reboot
Take it back to its original direction and premise: THE SHAPE. Remove Michael alrogether and begin the anthology.
The Shape (the evil that lives in the mask) can embody anyone. DGG tried this in "Ends" but fans could not process what was happening.
Damn I missed it. I’ll put it here.
Halloween Begins
Take it back to colonial times. Focus on three sisters, whose mother went missing when the father went missing. In the weeks leading up to an autumn gathering people go missing livestock is found killed. The village leaders assume the mother of the three girls was a witch and killed the father in a ritual. A traveling magician comes to town. The day of the festival community members are picked off one by one. The mother is found and held to burn her as a witch.
We also have subplots of a ritualistic cult leader (Thorn story), the magician being a toy maker (H3 story), and a mysterious white wolf and a native tribe. This will offer an opportunity for new stories following this one that will have “the shape” as the cause of the inception of Halloween.
On the Friday 13th subject it really is a shame that fuller isn't involved now for whatever reason... aside from that he really is great at adapting original IP and making it his own and in a great way whilst keeping it true to the original IP. I urge people to watch hannibal tv series for reference. Who they will now go with has me worried. Also for this same reasoning Flanagan will be great for The Exorcist. Probably my favourite director over the last few years