Porsche 993 Vs Porsche 996 C4S - Air-cooled or Water-cooled?
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- čas přidán 27. 07. 2024
- Driving the last air-cooled legends, the Porsche 993 and comparing it to the first of the water-cooled upstarts.. one of the most sought after of the 996s, the C4S!
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get rid of that stupid background music!
I can't hear the car, neither you, speaking, it's pointless really.
IZZYMX5 you want to hear me?? You're the first! Seriously, noted. But I think it depends on what medium you hear it, with headphones it seems ok, maybe on mobile or with smaller speakers it doesn't work as well. I'll try it
I see what you mean, seems worse in the 996 segment? Was not like that in the original. Upload to CZcams sometimes messe with the sound. Thxs for pointing out
I'm watching on a laptop with external speakers, but when you do make a video with speaking, its better to have either music or speaking, not both :) If it happens to have both, reduce the music to much lower volume, so we can hear what you're about to say :)
thats all :)
I love your videos, make them better with some proper audio/video set up, at least a better exernal mic. go pro will be OK, but maybe not so cheap though
lol im watching on my monitor speakers and i am now switching to headphones. much better
Hey Izzy, yep, I do my editing on headphones and for some reason the music comes out louder than intended! I am experimenting with microphones and stuff so sound should improve with each video!
Drive what you like, because, all Porsches are special.
Thank God, a 996 video that doesn't mention the IMS. praise Jebus
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lol! I just slapped a “ not today Jesus” magnet under my 996 boot! The 996 is lighter stiffer and faster. The 993 is a dream car like the 964 but like I always say “ any 911 is the best 911”
Just picked up a 2004 996 C4S, Coupe 6 speed manual. It's a marvelous car. Long time air cooled fan, but boy this 996 C4S is a fabulous car. I'm so impressed with its sophistication, power, precision and practicality and still very true Porsche experience.
Yes lovely cars!! Enjoy yours and thanks for watching
I also have to say: the music is way too loud. I wouldn't need the music at all, to be honest. I'd rather hear the engine and what you say. :)
Malteser3535 yep, agreed! It does sound clearer on headphones but the whole thing is a learning process! Thanks for sticking with me Malteaser! Jack
996 4S has one of the best looking Porsche rear ends. It's very overlooked car and great ride. 993 however is in my opinion the pinnacle of the 911. Not performance wise of course, but how it mixed the old and new elements of 911 perfectly. It still has the feeling of the old but was much improved over the G-models and 964. And it's the best looking Porsche ever made. Great review!
Excellent video. Really nice production quality.
Nice review guys. The owner was a good sort to! Mmm tough call between the two, the 996 is obviously the better more "rounded" car the 993 looks the business though and is more raw. 50/50 for me on that one. I'm happy with my 73 RS with a 320hp 3.6 ;)
I'm a big fan of the 996 C4S, but sitting beside the 993, even just at first sight the 993 just feels... _right._
Matthew Ward 993s are lovely cars!!!!
The 993 looks better externally, that's all I can say about it compare to the 996.
993 Everyday of the week, and twice on Sunday.
Well done, very good assessment and comparison. Thanks.
Thanks very much Julian, very good of you to say and thanks for watching!! Hope you have a great holiday! Jack
the steering feeling differences are more related to the fact tha one is a C4 and the other a C2. I owned a 996 C2 and is a light steering happy car if you push it hard as well (C4 are too boring). both cars are great and all 911 are great. but the best one is the one you own. drive it. :)
Enrique Gonzalez , best comment ever: the one you own is the best, i'll remember that, so true
So my 996c2 shouldn't feel wndery
This 996 feels more planted and secure than this 993 mainly because you're comparing C4 with C2. Any C4 will feel like that compared to their C2 equivalent, especially when comparing to an older generation.
Something interesting Russell Lewis told me the other day (ex AFN Porsche Master Tech) the steering is light in a turbo and all over the shop until you hit 120 and the the aero kicks in and pushes the nose down, might be a similar issue here. Good video, loving the panning shots etc much better you should do more of that :D
John Rampton yes, the panning shots truly stunning.. !! I need a portable, lightweight Rampton!!
the all done up interiors are very nice
Great review! Having owned many 911's over the years including a cab 993 and two 996's I think your comparison was spot on. I've always used the analogy that as they have progressed over the years they have become more refined and luxurious, but losing the 'rawness' that the earlier cars had that makes your hair stand on end. Having said that I'd probably choose the 996 as a daily driver but would definitely choose Tony's 993 for the adrenaline rush on a Sunday blast or LeMans trip with my mates!
Give me the simplicity of an even older air cooled every time..... er, except when it's raining or freezing cold. So if you live in the UK and you're a Porsche enthusiast.... you need two. (One kettle and one Meccano set)😂
Keep up the good work and I'm looking forward to seeing the #27 TV show in due course.
from the comments. 996 has it. bit more afforable too. I know the plumbing is huge due to all the water being thrown about. I love the 996 with a new ims.
RammYou2 the so-called much unloved 996, is rapidly becoming the much loved 996! And for good reason. It's a true 911 worthy of the breed, in 2wd form still lightweight, not bloated in size like later cars, and a wonderful engaging analogue drive.
If you haven't driven a 996.1 with the 3.4 engine, I hope you will. This video really shows the attraction of both cars and why it would be hard to chose between them. Thanks again.
I have driven one.. a can.. was one of my first vids. Years ago. Loved it!
Great review
Thanks buddy!! This one is a real oldy.. from a few years back!
Both are awesome. Got C4S 996. Friend of mine got 993 C2. It got beautiful sound, look, shapes and all the things but for me 996 is simply evolution and better.... Despite I still want to buy 993 because it is best looking classic era 911.
Jozef Punek thanks for watching Josef! The 993 pips it for me. Bit only just!!
I have a 996 GT3 and is a very nice car and amazing compared to other modern cars. The problem is that Porsche post 993 started to produce bigger body cars that were heavier and were not in the spirit of the Porsche sports car.
As I replied above the 996 is actually lighter than the 993, is faster and handles better - this makes it LESS of a sports car?. The styling is totally 911, and if the 996 isn't a sports car, neither is the 993. For me the most classic shape is actually the 964, which I'd have before a 993 in a heartbeat.
Good summary by someone who knows what they are talking about. Your mate nailed it, 996 for daily, 993 for weekend fun, although my personal air cooled preference is for 964. But that’s subjective as I have only driven 997s.
Thanks for the motive feedback fella and love your dog!
I've been daily driving an 03 C4 cab for the past 7 weeks and I love it. The 993 and 997 are just so much prettier.
993 is but the 997 isn't (personally)
No 911s were harmed in the making of this video ,great day out ,on the 993s steering #27 it does have have a slightly different set up to a 964 in the way it fits to the steering rack it has hard rubber damper on the inner part of the track control arm , in my cars case I replaced them new but most do a modification that I believe came from 993 GT2 to make them solid
Nice film again Jack.
Car-wise I reckon they'd both be great mile-muncher cross-continent cars, with the 993 retaining the classic air-cooled feel and sound. The 996 C4S looks to be a great car. I'd be a bit worried with the weight/power mix as the engine is no more powerful than the standard C2. But as a fast cruiser with a hit of fun in the corners it looks great. Will it fit in my garage, though?
On the audio issue, yes, the music is too high in the mix. As an option, I would start with music, then fade it away as the test begins, but you can use it to punctuate little montages of imagery. But overall a little too high.
Overall, I do like your films. Looking forward to the 3 964s, as I know you had some help with the filming...
Cheers Chris.. weird thing is music was fine on original mix but when uploaded on YT it come out louder. In any case will adapt for next time!
996 would be my choice. It is a better car but I prefer the C2 it's a bit lighter has slightly better steering feel, is slightly faster and is easier to kick the back end out in.
The C4S does look better with the wide body but I like rear wheel drive for my fun cars.
If I was going to buy an air cooled car it would be a 964, I prefer the way they look to the 993; to me the 964 is what a classic 911 looks like.
andrew warner agree 100% with everything you say.
On a track when you are timing a 996 would be better but on open roads were you really are driving for fun the 993 would be better in every way.
Almost. Yes the 993 is more raw, more direct, and more lively - and connects the driver closer to the action. But it's also more likely to send you into the bushes at the side of the road, as it doesn't handle as well and when unbalanced, harder to control. But that, for many, is part of the joy of the older cars.
I just loved my speedyellow 993 turbo!!
Good report. What's with the moving orbs in the last part of the video??? A camera reflection or what?
I supercharged my 996 and removed about 150 lbs weight, it's a beast
Got any videos was it a 3.6
Yum.
How did you remove 150lbs did you tell your old lady to walk home?
I very nearly bought that 4'S' - the Graphite Grey leather ultimately put me off and I held out for one with black leather - nice car though!
I would say the 996 if it was a 2s but nothing beats the look of the 993.
The 964 does
I've had both (and still have the 4S) and can say the 4S is a far superior car to the 993. It's got a much higher limit and you don't get the feeling that the back of the car is going to throw you into the hedge. It's very planted, even in very fast corners. This is unsurprising as it has the turbo running gear. It's also much quicker, almost everywhere. I love the 4S and will only change it once I get a turbo.
Thanks 😊
Great comparison review, I have both model 993, 996, 997, 997.2(GT3RS) and GT4. You are right on everything! Wish you would turn down the background music.. cheers. 🦅🦅🇺🇸
Sorry, early video.. all the later stuff has no music! Thanks for watching and my regards to the 🇺🇸!
I take the 996 every day in the week..
Cool video and great cars. I realize other folks have said this but I just want to drive their point home and say 'no more background music' in your reviews.
Rusty Cuyler cheers Rusty.. thanks for watching and noted on the music!
Just subscribed to you #27
Rusty Cuyler cheers Rusty! Appreciate it!
I own a ‘99 996 and it can just keep up with modern traffic now that even my SUV has better 0-60 times but, I do appreciate its styling and cornering ability. Porsche built in understeer compared to the air cooled versions which is safer but, not as fun. If you consider fun spinning around mid corner that is. All in all the 996 is a better car but not if you want nostalgia or increasing resale values. Thanks for the vid.
Cheers. Good point.
Another awesome video, I never did get all the hate for the 996! Absolutely excellent cars and they're what introduced me to the brand. My dad had a 996 C4S back in the day, which he replaced with a 996 Turbo X50 and we both preferred the C4S!
I'll have to show off this picture again (I do every chance I get): thumbsnap.com/27RLdicW - This was in the C4S. My dad won the Cannonball Run 8000 twice, once in the 996 in 2004 and again in 2007 in an SL55 AMG. Considering the average speed, the MPG is rather remarkable!
My love for the brand never died and I currently run a 987.2 Boxster S with a 997 GT3 RS being one of my dream cars!
Ha!!! That average speed is hysterical!!!!!
Having driven them the 996 is the better all around car for sure. Also much cheaper now as well even though I have a feeling that will be changing as prices on the 996 Turbos are climbing already .
It is faster but not better.
Better would imply lightweight, raw and a pure sports car which the 996 were not when compared to the likes of the 993 or 964.
@@bighands69 Not fully disagreeing with you but its worth noting that the 996 is lighter than the 993. People forget that.
I've been lucky enough to own both cars (sadly no longer). Great video and a very fair review. However, I would prefer to take the 993 on a long run (which I did to Hockenheim) as the car has standard suspension. The C4S has sports (996 Turbo) suspension which in my opinion was too hard for everyday use (and ultimately why I sold it!).
Interesting points there.. thanks for watching and for the kind words Andrew!!
one question about air cooled, have you ever experienced engine overheat during a hot day whilst you stuck in traffic?
Sareiviseth Diep no never in my 4 964’s over the years, but I live in a cold climate
anyone know what wheel tire combo the 993 had.. were those 17" bbs e87s
Had a 993 c2 and I loved it, now have 996 c2 and love it. It’s like choosing between your daughters. Overall the 996 is more useable day to day.
Its been too many years since I owned my '95 993 C2 to know if I would like it better than my 996 C4. But I do prefer the smaller size, and the tighter lines of the 993. And the 993 is much more analog, and not design compromised by the Porsche financial crisis of those days.
At 8:12 those birds are so overpowering I just want to hear the dialog and the engine :)
i would take both!
C2 to C2 would be a more accurate review.. Apple's to Apple's. I own a 1999 C2.. very analog, raw driving experience. Search on CZcams: Skablaw.. everything we know so far.
This 7 min video provides one with a real testament to the capability of the 996 driven by professional drivers at the car's pre-release before all the hype about headlights and overblown IMS. I love mine! 93,000 miles with original IMS. God bless!
The 2WD 2004 Anniversary 911 would reduce the car weight by nearly 300lbs with 25 more horsepower. That would be an interesting comparison with the 2WD 993.
That would be ideal! in a later video I managed to compare a 964 C4 and a 993C2.. but still the C2 993 had the advantage due two to lack of C4 system. One day.. I'll mage to find two c2's to compare at the right time!
mansolinosam exactly! Comparing a 2wd with an AWD is comparing applies to oranges. Much more weight, and the torque and weight of the driveshafts changes the steering. Very different feeling drive, with the 2wd the more connected involving drive. And you don't need an anniversary C2, the standard C2 would do just fine in the comparison.
My 993 C2 drives like it's on rails, at speed and braking. WTF.
Have you done a review on the 997? Thx
Did a couple, one on a very cheap £14k bargain my friend got and I think one comparing one to my then Maserati. If you search they’ll come up. Thanks for watching!
That exhaust note on the 996 is spectacular.
It really is, aftermarket back box i think!!!! Thanks for watching Cory!
I gotta get on that for mine!
I really enjoy your content but I must ask who edited this video? I can barely hear you. I only hear some very loud background music and it is sort of ruining the video for me sadly.
Hey, yes it’s one of my old ones.. no music in the more recent stuff. Problem
Was also I edited on headphones and it ended up sounding different once uploaded. Thanks in any case for your support and nice words on the channel ! 🙏
Those fried egg headlights and Nissan-esque styling... jeebus.
Gerald's Videos Actually those aren't the so-called fried egg headlights. That's a 996.2 front with the lights from the turbo.
Gerald doesn't know cars. It's sad for everyone.
I have one of each. My 01 996 auto is my driver and the 96 993/4 cab 6sp in my Sunny sky driver. Both are great cars but the 993 wide body is way sexier. Around Seattle out
why wouldnt you do a 996 Mk1 C2 v a 993 C2 ? would make more sense wouldnt it ?
Would have done but I had these two cars available so they had to do! This is just a sideline so I'm very pushed for time. A C2 996 would have been great! thanks for watching
@@Number27 thread revival but if you want a 996 c2 you can borrow mine... But I'm in Cornwall!
It's a gen 1 1998 manual
996 is beautiful and great drive
996 is one of the ugliest cars Porsche has ever produced.
Great review but please get rid of the music. Would be great to hear the engine noise and your commentary more.
Just seen all your replies on this issue :)
What, you're the first to mention it..;) Noted! next vids will have less music. Thanks for watching Craig!
The review seems pretty good but I couldn't watch because the background music drove me mad (makes it difficult to hear you or the car). Any chance you could republish without the annoying music?
Great video, but the music is very irritating. You don't need it
Thanks and noted for future vids Yasir
why the music man ????
I have a 996c2 and it darts around I don't know if it has a problem or supposed to feel like that? So would have been better to compare a 996 c2 and 993 c2 as that's a true comparison, a c4 is much more boring!!
Answer: Both
The 993 have 996 steering wheel + not stock seats so I will think the car have some other stuff on it that not OEM
996 Lighter than the 993...no?
Yep! BUT.. this C4S is actually heavier than the standard C2 993..1350 vs 1470kgs. This is due to the extra weight of the wide body and 4wd transmission. But the feeling of bulk in the corners was more due to the standard suspension in the C4S I think
Ah - I missed that...There would also be a bit less rear weight bias because of the ruling gear I guess. My C2 you can defo feel the arse.
You should take mine out - it's bit special!
My 996 C2 only weighs 1320Kg. I was surprised at that. Even weighs less than a 964(RS excluded). A lot of people reckon the equivalent the 996 is around 10% quicker than the 993. Both great cars but in different ways.
Loving mine.
The 996.1 C2, 6-speed, coupe weighs 2900 lbs. Options make a big difference in 996 weight and driving feel: Tiptronic (automatic) adds 121 lbs, 4 wheel drive adds 120lbs, and Cabriolet adds 150 lbs -- so a Tiptronic/4wd/Cab weighs nearly 400 lbs more than a 6-speed/2wd/Coupe and they drive like very different cars. Not sure about the differences in base weight for the 996.2 (versus 996.1), but the wide body on this C4S does add some weight and the 4wd adds about 120 lbs..
Yep all you car ytubers need to realise we the public like watching car videos so we can listen to the motor if we wanted music we would hit our favourite music channel......
No music in my videos now.. this was an early video!
996 all day long!!!
The music got to me and I stopped watching after 3:25 minutes, unfortunately because I really liked the rest of it
Thats a shame but thanks for watching anyway, the new vids don't feature music while driving for this very reason!
A fun comparison of two nice cars. The 996 was the 3.6 face-lifted model which - for me - is far superior to the original 3.4 so it wasn't perhaps a direct father/son comparison.
Good point Chris. More like father /stepson!!
great video but the music over the speaking bits is annoying
Noted and agreed.. many others have also pointed this out and it no longer features in the same way in any of my video since this one! thanks for watching though Rafel!!
996 all the way. Targa
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music...............little less volume!
great video, love both cars, I have a 996 C4S, and they really are comfortable great cruisers. You can see a review of my car on my channel as well - hope you'll visit and subscribe. I've subscribed!
993 looks better by far
The guy who put on the 1978 German porn movie background music must be fired!
996 all life
The 996 is better in every aspect but cost way less than the 993. Go figure...
Vincent T. I'm not sure you're right 😀
Ok I might have exaggerated a little but not far off.
So you think Posche designed a car that is inferior to its previous generation....I don't think so.
Ken Shirk Yes I do.
Ken Shirk I said the 996 is better than the 993 which came out BEFORE the 996.
Bizarre music
I'd take the 993 sell it and buy a Turbo 996
The 993 is a proper Porsche sports car and the 996 is not.
@@bighands69 www.total911.com/opinion-why-the-porsche-996-is-a-better-911-than-the-993/
993's are expensive because they are rarer, thats it the 996 is the all round better car. I don't doubt if the 993's were produced in the same quantity they would be the same price if not cheaper.
993 All the time! Looks better, you get more fun out of driving the car, feels better and has a better engine. 996 is only an option if you want a everyday 911, but if that is the case, I would go for the 997 and never 996. Also, don't forget all 996 IMS bearing failure problems....
Rackham 993s have a similar issue like the ims bearing. Look up valve guides. No fun.
No they dont.... IMS Problem in 996 is a fact not a spot problem!
Rackham ims issue only affects about 5% of the cars easy preventable fix when changing the clutch. I love the 996. It will be a sought after one day.
I say let people think the 996’s are ticking time bombs (which they’re not), so people like me can afford one.. I’ve also driven 993’s and love them too, but I’ll take my ‘04’ 996 every time. I just prefer the more modern feel. I rather like the headlights on the 996.2 cars, and think these cars will be much more appreciated in the future, as they are something special to own 😎
Having owned or extensively driven various variants of the 993, 996 and 997, I agree that the 993 is the best looking of the bunch. It does, however, make a less practical daily driver, and a 996 or 997 is far better suited to that task. Just a fact check on the IMS: 2005-2008 997 generation has an IMS bearing similar to the one in the 996, which can fail catastrophically (albeit at a historically lower rate than in the 996). However, beginning in MY 2009 (997.2) the motor was revised with direct fuel injection thereby solving the IMS issue. So do be careful about implying that the IMS is only a 996 issue.
i'd prefer 930 or 964
996 The engine break breaks down because double pulley IMS, it´s a garbage
babel101 IMS were in early cars only
Not true. I have a 1999 with over 100K with the original IMS and its perfect. You are drinking the internet Kool-Aid way to much.
Jeesh... buy a 996/early 997 and get the IMS replaced with an LN Engineering one - then the potential problem is gone along with this dated concern...... now go back to your cave....
Wtf with the music. We like to hear the engine not some dumb guitar sounding crap. Ty.
the music is just downright awful.
Lose that stinking music.
Get rid of the stupid music...
That music is so frikin' annoying!
Yep, no music in later videos!
993 good, 996 bad.
?? Really? I have a '97 993 and a '03 C4s and love them both. The lines on the 993 are more pleasing to me but the speed of my C4S (X51) blows the 993 away. They're both awesome in their own ways. The 996 doesn't deserve your unfounded criticism. You sound like a dreamer...
The 996 has no „Metzger Engine“. That is the reason why the 996 is real crap.! Budget car, developed by controllers and not engineers. Shame on Porsche.
the 996 is mass produced low quality trash.
Some of the interior looks cheap, but underneath, it's a sturdy German that works well on the road!
Maxx, have you owned or even ever driven a 996? People may disagree about the styling and cabin appointments, but the 996 is probably the single best sports car bargain in the world at the moment and aside from the IMS issue, which is a relatively easy fix, it's an immensely reliable car. I was the second owner of a 996 C4S which I purchased with 10,000 miles. I owned it for 5 years, put an additional 70,000 miles on the car and sold it for nearly what I paid for it. Total cost of maintenance and repairs over that period was only $12,000. Pretty stunning value for "low quality trash".
The 993 is a proper Porsche and the 996 is not.
No comparison, 996 garbage car.
Sell it if u have it.
....ha ha.... what do you know....? You can only dream of owning a Porsche....
993 good, 996 bad.