Personality Type & Cognitive Fluidity
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 20. 08. 2024
- Today's discussion video explores to what extent type is static, to what extent we can overcome our type, and the implications of doing so.
Thanks to Kiara Kerrick for the subtitles!
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Hi, I'm Harry, and I'm intensely passionate about personality typing and self-development - so much so that I have created my own Jung-inspired system, taking a more high-resolution look at the factors making up personality.
Through Cognitive Personality Theory I examine the underlying mechanisms behind cognition, and the means through which a single type can have limitless individual variation - I believe type itself is just a set of cognitive predispositions that can according to the needs of the situation be overcome.
I don't believe any type is limited in what they can achieve, but have noticed sensationalist attitudes and internet trends propagating a culture in which type-development is actively discouraged in favour of conforming to simplistic archetypes. Through CPT I hope to dispel various myths and oversimplifications of what constitutes personality type, and along the way encourage a healthier attitude towards type that allows a person to become not who they are told they are, but rather who they want to be.
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Ni/Introverted Intuition - Broad & plethoric perception of internal world.
Ne/Extraverted Intuition - Broad & plethoric perception of external world.
Si/Introverted Sensing - Specific and concrete perception of internal world.
Se/Extraverted Sensing - Specific and concrete perception of external world.
Fi/Introverted Feeling - Subjective codec; internal emotional data & harmony.
Fe/Extraverted Feeling - Subjective codec; external emotional data & harmony.
Ti/Introverted Thinking - Objective codec; internal logical order.
Te/Extraverted Thinking - Objective codec; external logical order.
Lens - Perceives data.
Codec - Rationalises data.
Convergent - Positive, creative, enacting change and seeking novelty.
Divergent - Negative, authoritative, instilling consequence and driving utility.
For more clarification on terms see the CPT eBook!
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I'm glad you're speaking slowly on this video, as i am not a native English speaker I was struggling to understand
I would love to thank you for the content of this channel I find it really helpful â€
Definitely working on the tempo! Thank you :)
This was my situation but u get used to it, heâs probably either living in a western side of London, or is highly interactive with such environment. This sort of a slightly faster pace and Londoner-ish accent is normally expected if you wish to interact with natives of that spot of Britain. This might annoy him/you that Iâve peered/concluded the most accurate place to where his location is at, but I promise no harm and apologise, you know, phonetic stuff.
You can just set the video to 0.75x and its alright
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I would love to see "5 signs You're not a xxxx" for each type, they're so interesting and I learned so much from the INTJ one
That's definitely the long-game!
Hey Harry, ENTJ here, you're doing great work (to me atleast), show depth of knowledge and I'm impressed with your verbal precision!
I had to go on my Ni,Fi journey and 1 year later I feel free and ALIVE!
CPT has helped me communicate psychology, trauma and self actualization soooooo much better with friends n family and some are on their journeys now.
I only started watching you two weeks ago but you're dropping serious game.
Keep it up and Thank You!
Thank you so much Gael, that truly means a lot and it's gratifying to know CPT has had this positive application. Great also to hear about your Ni-Fi journey :)
Cheers again!
@@CognitivePersonality Thanks Harry and I'm here if you ever want a voice or opinion.
Let me know if I can help.
Cheers!!!
Well, maybe we can say that a "type" is not a static box - it's an itinerary, a moving map, a compass for the journey towards the Self, and beyond. The goal is the same for everyone (and that goal is itself moving), types just represent alternative routes / sets of directions.
It would depend what type means to you, I suppose. If type were to refer to very real differences in neurological makeup I would use such a map to track the development of neural pathways; if type were to be of a more metaphorical nature amalgamating cognition with identities and values then type codes could perhaps be divided and rendered dynamic>static :)
My friend, Iâm an INTP that was raised by an INFJ, and as a result, mistyped as INFJ for most of the time I was doing personality research. The only reason this was able to happen was because of my constant usage/consideration of Fe.
My default state alone is much more who I am (Ti>Si>Ni>Fi), but just add some people and Iâm using my extremely well practiced Fe. (Ne>Fe>Te>Se)
Excellent as always, Harry! :) I feel that I've seen "cognitive type" relate very directly to the Jungian concept of Circumambulation in each individual, and I believe this process directs the "natural limits" of each individual's perception of reality (that is, each individual can only perceive and interact with so much; it is finite)
Thanks Matt! Big fan of that term :)
Harry, great video! So far, every one of the series is great. You hit so many great points.
INTJ here, and I just started pushing myself to develop my Se. I'm a manufacturing engineer who specializes in control systems, so I haven't needed to deal with mechanical issues professionally.
At almost 47 I'm getting into 3D printing using a DIY printer to force myself to work in the physical world. I started this 3 years ago and had to set it aside for a year, because it took so much more time and energy than I expected only to fail a lot.
In that time I moved on to another, more mechanical hobby. I thought maybe I could do what I do with Ni, and use skills and lessons I learned between the two hobbies, but I feel frustrated and nervous that I've broken something costly and it's my own fault all the time with both hobbies.
I haven't had any critical failures that were unrecoverable, so far. But I always tend to overtighten the wrong part, or under tighten the right one, and each failure is just as blind-siding as the last. Maybe it'll get better after another three years, but I think it's just me.
I still love the hobbies. Very personally rewarding.
Cheers, sir.
Very interesting! Sounds like a worthy pursuit and I'm sure you'll get the Ne:Se under balance :)
Cheers!
Excellent discussion, Harry. :) 'Compulsion' is the proper lens, methinks. The goal is to differentiate the ego from compulsive states that can be deployed as tools. As MLvF said, 'The ego can take one function up and put it down, like taking up a pencil or an eraser, according to the situation.'
Thank you my friend! 'Tools' is the word for sure + that is a most excellent reference!
đŻđ€Żđ€Żđ€Żđ€ Exactly this. My intp best friend of mine. Me being also intp have dabbled in some of this. And it's so intriguing. Plus so many other aspects. I like how this is put together. Helps wrap your brain around it a bit more. Im constant theorizing and piecing things together. I've been experimenting as well. Trying to make balance in it though and not just switch completely to that opposite side. Shadow functions. But learning in it to better act on all my thoughts and ideas. Or share them with the world than only gaining the knowledge and staying with it. Or obsessing to much that I don't move on from the tiny details.
Thanks Sarah! It's a journey but I find it to be an exciting one!
@@CognitivePersonality Agreed!
Thanks for this video! Iâve mostly been typed as INTJ (your video on that type also helped me a lot), but since they share the same cognitive functions, I often feel like I also resonate with ISFP, especially because itâs hard for me to separate introverted intuition and introverted feeling, and I oftentimes seek harmony through extroverted sensing in art or nature đ€
Indeed INTJs can often be very ISFP-like, sharing the same dominant functions :)
In your experience, when making proactive, mechanical decisions, do INFP's tend to use more introverted thinking or extroverted thinking?
Absolutely more Te, as Ti tends to be entered from a more limbic perspective :)
I just gave a neighbor $200 to bless people out of their socks. Thanksgiving is a month away in Canada. My neighbor is ESFJ. I'm INFJ. She swears to God she knows who really needs it . But me I would be everyone needs it. But while she has fun randomly blessing people, I had fun making it happen.
Nice :)
Very interesting, definitley following.
I've noticed that the deployment of unconscious cognitive functions which are the inverse of my stack are much easier to use than the unconscious divergent ones. For example, though Ni-Ti come naturally to me, Ne-Te (not in my stack) are somewhat easy to deploy as compared to something like... Si-Fi. However, if I am honest, Se deployment had always been a conscious struggle for me.
Excellent diary style reflections there Harry, very thought out and eloquent as always. This one in particular mesmerized me as i admired how similar we are. Im a little late for the experiment but ill definitely be dropping you a line on the email when the circumstances allow!
Thank you, and I'd love to hear your results!
This sounds fun đ and good for you too. I think type is a default but not going all the way back to default mode constantly gets easier with development. I'll try to keep up the schedule but I'm a little spacey so we'll see how I do đ Thanks for the interesting project, it's definitely something I haven't seen done on the CZcams channels before.
Thanks Jaimie! I'm excited to see how it unfurls!
The routine on those hand movements
Hey there Harry! Just curious, what is your opinion on the four sides of the mind theory? And also if that could explain how everyone can grow from their "default" type.
Love your videos! Keep up the great work!
Thank you for the examples of activities that would engage our oppositional functions. Iâm gonna try to revisit some meaningful memories. Considering Iâm not sentimental....this is gonna be quite a challenge.
This would be a cool art challenge. Currently, Iâve been working on an self-imposed and self-created art challenge that focuses on emotional intelligence and being able to recognize and emotion from someoneâs facial expression. Iâve been posting my pieces on Instagram.
That sounds fantastic! Hope that's going well.
@@CognitivePersonality so far, it has been going well. Because extroverted intuition is my first function, I do struggle with keeping on track, but it helps that I only do one month at a time.
Such an interesting video. Thanks!
self experimenting is something I continuously do as well. My poor husband and family are drug along for the ride. They have benefited as well - with better diet etc...
Wait a second... you're CURIOUS about stuff?!? XD XD
I know right?! Been keeping that one well hidden :D
Hey Harry, since your way of looking at MBTI seems to align more with mine, it's cool to see we both think we can experiment with employing a function that isn't the strongest. Since I'm an INTJ (according to your video and the MBTI tests), I have been trying to use the Fe function much more in the last *several years* since I started getting into this stuff. Why? I'm terribly unexpressive and really struggle with group dynamics or having conversations about emotions/conflicts, feeling connected to people, ect. Almost any psych therapy will suggest that expressing yourself steadily over time and in the moment is better than a sudden explosion of emotions too late to even remember the original conflict at hand, which is how I used to be when I'm angry from repressing anger. Being so subtle or robotic that others can't read you at all creates a disconnect with people that hurts relationships and falsely creates that "cold persona" Intjs are stereotyped as. I don't think the Fe function is any more "natural" for me per se, but easier to click into, easier to the understand the purpose of, and definitely has improved my relationships with everyone. It feels very much like training a muscle at the gym that was completely atrophied rather than a change of processing or personality.
Yes that gradual dipping into Fe sounds like the healthy way to go about its introductions! Said persona's certainly aren't reflective of the true cognition.
This sounds fantastic and I thank you for sharing this! I also use the muscle-exercise analogy when envisioning the training of a function - congrats on how far you've so far come!
I agree, a function's development extends personality more than changes it :)
@@CognitivePersonality you're welcome, thank you for making thought provoking videos. I hope you keep making them :)
I propose that we experiment by trying to achieve a "null axis" personality. Consider this: When we have equal preference for two opposing functions, not only the letter (T/F) changes at the 50% point, but the orientation (i, e) changes also. How would this "zero crossing" personality manifest if it occurred for all four functions? Is is something to aspire to? Would it indicate equal aptitude with every function and orientation? Or would it yield an uncertain, non-actualized personality?
I like it! I would describe that as more of a 'fluid axis' only in the sense that two opposites can operate in tandem, but not simultaneously. Unification of opposites in the psyche is always something to aspire to :)
I see functions as a system of levers and switches - an individuated psyche can access them all equally, but must switch between different modalities of thought.
@@CognitivePersonality How do you think a person on the "null axis" would present themself? Inconsistent and unpredictable? Or boring and non-committal?
@@synthinvasion A Ti-like Fi would be equally countered by an Fe-like Te, so I would imagine the person would (despite being unusual) have a similar cognition to another - the convergence/divergence split will remain the same. I would say the person may seem more 'neutral', so perhaps there is potential for dullness absent dip.
@@CognitivePersonality It would be harder to reach that zero-crossing point on the Dominant and Inferior traits, as opposed to the convergent/divergent auxiliaries. That would be life-changing in terms of achieving a balanced personality.
Personally i believe in integrating the shadow so this whole mbti thing and being one type is completely incorrect to me ,according to psychology there is something that is called parts or inner parts some of them are subconscious and they have their own desires and beliefs and personalities ,as compilation process practitioner my goal is to integrate the subconscious with the conscious and that might change the mbti type i assume
As a young person in my teens I always typed out on tests as an INFP.... I'm 44 and, Today I typed out as an ENTP..... I'm starting to think this is hopeless. I feel like I should start all over..... But I'm not sure where to start. where is there good information.
I think the default state is retained as a lens by which lower valued functions will be perceived to a degree, regardless of how much more accessible those functions become. I also think type is not entirely genetic as itâs a strange dichotomy in some ways. I think some tendencies are largely genetic, i.e. sensory vs intuitive dominance being the biggest example. I donât think genetics influence the stack as precisely, though, as early developmental factors of personality. I could see fi-ti swapping dependent upon early life experiences, as well as te-fe. I could, however, not see an fe dominant being an fi dominant under differing early life experiences. The dichotomy is certainly hard to read past behavioral speculation which is normally enough, but for itâs subject matter (relatively deep insight of fairly abstract factors of personality), I find it difficult to KNOW a type or see types as concrete in every way.
I also consider it relative to what people are seeking to convey by functions in the first place. I am certainly curious, however, if cognitive type can truly change in formative years. Looking at the personality research on seperated twins, for example, there seems to be a consistent pre-determined sense of personality, though it would certainly be interesting to see how much that pertains to a cognitive function paradigm!
Consider this written weeks later: Letâs draw a line between language acquisition and function acquisition, since both are process related. And look at bilingual people those cases where even one would dream in the learnt the language not the mother tongue. The object of such acquisition is highly changeable and controlled by the tool, since we already all have all the eight set of cognitive functions what one should change is not how to use one but the object and frequency. An hour spent Ni-ing might as well be used reading. Just hours ago I questioned that anyone would ever use CZcams comments to do a study! Now you good sir proved the possibility against this Te decision to avoid YT comments studies.
------------- as for my experience with the lockdown and Se, itâs as u said, a plant of appreciation has grown. Itâs not all empowering tho, you see, this is the second time Iâm writing this, the quality has dropped from my preferred style of talking to favoured new accepted conversers (reads: you). Exactly bc Se and Si reminded me that with longer texts something happens; someone startles me or the text getting deleted because of the phone's undoing function, so I tried copying the text and by doing so the chances of the text disappearing for a misplaced tap, this or that has also increased. There is no true empowerment but change.
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More on the Sx side, Iâve tried taking up excise but my lung condition proved it difficult. There is also an undergoing experiment with birds, I trust birds to know so Se-likely (ofc in air) not to bump into me, and thus Iâm practicing to not react to random birds flying around me going out. The experiment is going well, 2/2 birds have been proved trust-worthy; one flew in such a narrow place with more ppl around and tho was headed towards me, it succeeded. Studying Fx are also a good game for now; with a scheduled Fe exposure when the look is up, to finalise some Ni-Fe sort of theories; one being of how effective can objectivity work in the mess of subjectivity hovering over art philosophies and viewers reactions.
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I wish this didnât bother you, sir, Iâm looking forward to your update three weeks in.
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Super fascinating comment (and, indeed, writing style)!
I suspect bilingualism has an effect on the T-F pathways, and, as I tend to associate the left hemisphere with a more S-T thought pattern, I believe it may render more fluid S-to-N pathways too!
@@CognitivePersonality Exactly! Things like pre-sleep hallucinations are of a highly (ofc in a cognitive setting only) S-N routes.
@@CognitivePersonality and thank you.
Open to anyone: how should an ENTP go about developing the Fi-Si pairing. Fi is so hard for me to employ, its easy for me to understand w my Ti but I can't make myself feel. Its so rare when something strikes a nerve, and makes me noticeably upset. I feel like I can't purposely access it. Any tips are welcome!
I don't know exactly because I have the same type and the same issue. I asked the same question in the discussion.
I have to investigate both of them more.
I am not easily hurt either. It occured many times that people witnessed situations when I was supposed to defend myself and didn't, which made them think I was a bit of an idiot or weak. It looked like it hurt their ego more than mine ! I came to seriously wonder if I should defend myself on their behalf, since that seemed so unsettling.
Then I thought "no : some people work hard to be able to get to that state. Of course there may be no wisdom to it since it's sort of innate but still...".
The thing is, sometimes it makes some people behave very badly because they want to know how far they can go. With time, it establishes a dynamic which is very difficult to reverse. So I need to see the red flags in order to not let it happen because of course, there comes a day when I "wake up", stop making excuses for others or believe it will change in a magic way. No, it is not because someone has a bad day or a succession of bad days that they are allowed to pick on me. Period.
That for the Fi. But I noticed, maybe I'm wrong because I could always approach people's feelings with the more cognitive side of empathy, and is a good thing because it keeps one from confusing empathy with their own emotions and project them onto people, which is, to me, the opposite of empathy. But. It was and sometimes still is incomplete because if you only use Fe and Ti, you will think people make dramas about a lot of things, which's reality only exists "in their heads".
So I think to be truly able to use Fe, one also has to work on Fi to be able to relate and rely on it. And - but I'm not there yet, I think it increases your potential.
PS : I'm not easily hurt but I do have panic attacks, sometimes. And they are very painful. I think it may have to do with my "repressed" or "suppressed" Fi.
You ask for hints. You know how we ENTPs "work". Give it more intellectual investigation, it will sieve through at some point. Don't try to feel too hard ;)
If I say wrong things, please someone correct me đ
Good response from Karin here - I would add finding objects/places with sentimental value and using them as a conduit towards emotional catharsis :)
@@CognitivePersonality ooh, thank you so much âșïž
@@CognitivePersonality what do you mean with emotional catharsis ? A punching ball ? đ
I used to have some objects, I was quite a nomad at a time so, when I laid out theses objects, I made the place my home, even for one or two days :)
I was (still am) very attached to my apartment although I don't live there, there is an atmosphere to it... In difficult times, I used to say "imagine I'm a phone. That's where I recharge :) ".
@@karineroumache9124 Exactly! The sentimental kind, as opposed to outlet mediums :)
omg, I've been delaying Te-Se chores for so long most of them don't exist any more. I mean, can I still get my photos off a zip disc? No, no I don't have a zip drive - nobody does! If I finally do my tax return for 2012 won't they just start asking about all the other missing tax returns? Can I back my android files up to a mac? How does all this work?? Do I need cables or do they travel through the air?
It's just all so... bloody difficult.
Now's the time! Certainly sounds like Te-Se being hindered by Ne-Te's 'let's consider everything at once' attitude :)
I'm doing it! And I AM including the time researching Te in that awful hour.
Hi, thank you for the effort of speaking more slowly, hope it is not too difficult :)
Si, Fi. It's a really weird thing. I DON'T know them, I wish I could, I just don't get it.
It is very frustrating because understanding concepts is usually something I'm quite good at. So why does my comprehension resist to that ? Could someone please explain them to me in a way I can understand or give me ressources to listen to or read ? Feels kind of hopeless lol, like "that doesn't even exist" but of course they exist ! Stupid brain đ
PS - I would like to add, I do not only want to understand it but also to benefit from it. One can't just "decide" not to use a possibility or a limb or to make a piece of music without a single D (except for experimennting, and maybe it has been done, and maybe the result is fine but most of the time, you'll want to be able to choose :) )
I'm slowly getting used to it! Yes it's possible they are more unconscious (but nonetheless still potent) within your psyche :)
@@CognitivePersonality I gave it more investigation and maybe I'm starting to get it, at least partially and also maybe I'm a little bit further than I thought.
For the physical part. I can go hours, sometimes, not even rarely, without eating a whole day. I never really got accustomed to fixed eating hours. I often tell my boyfriend "don't wait for me to be hungry otherwise you can starve in the meantime".
I can also go a whole day without having to go to the toilet, when people notice I joke and say I'm a camel, don't worry.
Also, I don't feel pain very much. I often find bruises and scratches on my body without knowing how I got them. I must bump very hard into something to ache, otherwise I will also joke and say "the door's not hurt".
Once, I twisted my ankle. I was crawling up a river's bench to take a picture and I slipped.
In the evening, I went to a party with a friend and my son.
It was my son's first party, he got a little drunk (safely because I was there) and quite excited.
He asked me to dance. I said I'm really not supposed to, can't be good for my ankle". But he insisted and I was glad. It didn't hurt very much and I forgot the pain very soon.
When I got home, my ankle was very swollen, like an elephant foot. I thought ok, I deserved it but I was surprised and scared because at that stage, I felt NO PAIN AT ALL !
So I asked someone to drive me to the ER and explained very calmly what was wrong, that I felt no pain and thought that was weird because a twisted ankle was supposed to hurt very much.
The male nurse said he hesitated on waking up the doctor. It was 4 A.M.
The doctor came, very angry, telling me I'd better have a good reason to have him woken up.
I said I was sorry but I thought I had. That I wanted to be sure the oedema wasn't caused by anything else.
He was awful. He sent me home without further ado.
I didn't understand his attitude (I could understand that he was angry to be awoken for "nothing" but thought that was also part of the job). I mean, how many people go to E.R. with a panic attack ? And I was very calm so there wasn't even any trouble in that manner. No need to treat me like that.
The next day, I went to my GP and she said "you have an incredibly high pain threshold".
Of course that is pleasing somehow but.... That's not the end of the story đ
The next couple of weeks, I noticed that a part of my foot was numb. It lasted several months. She said there had probably been some sort of nerve damage and prescribed vit. B12.
I could live with that, no problem.
Actually, that had not much to do with my ability to stand pain. The nerve had just been squeezed so hard that the whole area was asleep đ
Yet, I enjoy good food. So I think I have progressed with some Si at least. I've also become more aware of how I dress, hold my back straight ju-jitsu helped a lot).
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My Ne and Fe is almost the same. Why? I'm 55, so I do not think i can reprogram my functions.
You could be an ESFJ or ENTP. I'm still absorbing the convergent/divergent order of the functions, but those two types in particular are known to engage with the general social atmosphere a lot with the feeling-intuitive dynamic.
I can't relate to any type completely
What if your nature determines what you nurture?
For instance in the bible it talks of different men being cut from different cloth or when it talks about strange fruit i am pretty sure they are talking about moral fiber this is just an example but more and more each day we see some have vast amounts of moral fiber and some who do not seem to have any at all
I guess what i am asking is instead of being nature over nurture or nuture over nature could it be that our nature determines what we nurture?
You have a very interesting channel and i would like to try your experiment and see how far things can be pushed that is if i could ever figure out what to call my mess of a brain haha
It's a constant cycle in this respect; one informs the other :) In some senses, the nurture of our forebear determines our nature!
I still wonder as many parents never come to grips with a childs rebellion or even understand the cause and at the same it could be said about the children in these instances where they never understand the parents i understand what my sister said when she was talking about the things we pick up in our first few formulative years but i dont think it explains how extreme the shift between parent and child can be and yes i mean even from the childs side at a very early age for some where they never adopt the same ideals or principles as anyone around them could we all be cut from such different cloth and not know it?
Genetic memory?! Yet another crazy opinion I had years ago undergoing development, good humanity, u r evolving.
That's a fact!
Youre INTJ, right?
INFJ :) Ni-Ti>Ni-Fi
@@CognitivePersonality big pardon