Bernie Sanders on the Today Show 1981
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- Sanders in 1981 defeated Gordon Paquette, Burlington’s five-term Democratic mayor, by just 10 votes. The then-39-year-old Sanders ran as an independent and, while he didn’t campaign as a socialist, he made no secret of it, either. Elected just months after Ronald Reagan was elected to the presidency, Sanders’s victory caught national attention.
The 1981 Today segment, titled “Socialism in New England,” shows journalist Jane Pauley declaring, “Face it, you don’t find too many socialists in elected office in this country.”
It then cuts to Phil Donahue, who is sitting down with the newly-elected Sanders. He says that many people were surprised at Sanders’s narrow win. “My goodness, how could this happen in good old conservative Vermont?” Donahue asked.
“Well, in Vermont, being conservative is different, perhaps, than being conservative elsewhere in the country,” Sanders said.
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Imagine a politician looking back 40+ years and is still delivering the same consistent message. You might not agree with what he is saying but you got to respect Bernie. Truly a man of his word.
No
@@jacksonwalker2620 You are hater, dude has been speaking truth for years.
@@Khronogi Some don't want truth. They prefer the easy lie.
@Bernie Panders TX Dumpsite kids he also fights for many policies that would clearly make lives of POC much better and has been arrested for protesting segregation in the 60s.
@Bernie Panders TX Dumpsite kids he also said at the time about the crime bill that he disagreed with much of it brut ultimately voted for it because of provisions in it which aided women and a ban on assault weapons.
Being a socialist in 1980's America...
Big balls right here
Learn the definition of socialist 🤦🏽♂️
Actually a Social Democrat who for some reason calls himself a Democratic Socialist. Neither of those are Socialist. Neither are authoritarian. Basically FDR.
@@AZOffRoadster Wasn't he a socialist in his early years though?
@@AZOffRoadster democratic socialism is absolutely socialisms. He calls himself a democratic socialist because he is... his policies are social democratic, but he signals to the socialists a lot. It's frustrating seeing people new to the left who dont fully understand its intricacy talk with such confidence. the man said in this interview the profit motive is bad lmao.
@@__D10S__ Right. I'm a 63yo noob. Bit me, kid.
"Are you a capitalist?"
"No, I'm not a capitalist."
In 1980s America. Chad.
The guy threw the question out like an olive branch, like "of course you *are* still a capitalist, haha"
Sanders did not stutter XD
What I love to death is so many Democrats today trying to tell everyone.. "All the Republicans try to label Bernie a Socialist".
I say "No! Bernie labels himself a Socialist!"
@@Streeknine Well, Repubs have created a narrative where socialist is synonymous with communist. That's what anyone with a modicum of intellectual honesty keeps trying to countermand.
@@smaakjeks The reason the narrative of socialist being synonymous with Communism is because it is. You look at Communist countries.. they started out as Socialist countries. One leads to the other because Communism is the end result of Socialism. It never works btw.. in case you don't know your history.
@@Streeknine No, it's not synonymous. Every country has some degree of socialism, in the context Sanders is talking about. He is an advocate of the Nordic model. Scandinavia is not communistic, right?
Bernie "Consistency" Sanders.
The only thing he has changed is his name.
B E R N A R D
I was JUST saying that he has been so consistent! Thank you! haha
Even the tapping down at the hands at the end
Consistency =/= smart
Honestly 🤗🤗🤗
That’s crazy to see Bernie when he was only 86 years old
ahh-ha-hah that's the BEST one!
😆😆😆
🤣🤣
Just before he turned 40, he was already significantly gray!
He has forever been old-souled.
10 votes. He won by 10 votes. It's interesting to contemplate how the votes of those 10 people potentially had such a huge effect on the future of American politics.
Yeah, I didn't realize Vermont was so small with hardly anyone or anything there.
That’s a really good point think about how many people know of Bernie now which started with his win here.@Dennis Gilsoul
love this perspective
He’s basically the pioneer of progressive thought in America, those 10 votes made such an impact
@@JessicaGail Pioneer is a reach. FDR is the Pioneer of progressive politics in America but he's definitely carrying the torch.
This is the perfect example of a person who did not "sell out"
He pontificates on the senate floor often but when it comes time to vote his objective is to protect his career. He sells out almost weekly.
He also lost to sellouts.
He did though. I was for the burn until I saw Receipts that Killery paid him and wife off with a beach house.
@@thisusernameistakenbyyomam9091 "trust my logic, I refer to this people as the burn and killery but I have sound information and deductive reasoning"
Yes, he did. He's a millionaire.
This is why people love Bernie. He has lived his convictions every day of his life. He isn't for sale and everyone knows it.
Which is why he doesn't get a chance to be the president. They wouldn't be able to manipulate him, he doesn't budge. He's for the people.
That’s for damn sure, the Democratic Party didn’t want anything to do with him. Now the media jumps on memes of Bernie as if that will win our favor. I will never trust the DNC. GOP is gone too. It’s time for something new.
The DNC manipulated him to step aside for Biden and all he got was a meme. He could have negotiated for a meaningful position in Biden’s cabinet.
Other people with other convictions have lived their convictions every day - like Buddha feat. Fatkid, Mother 'Mom' Teresa, Joseph Stalin , Adolf H., Jeffrey J. Dahmer and Donnie
Except when he endorsed Hillary Clinton.
FACT: Bernie Sanders was never young. He was born at the ripe old age of 55.
LMFAO!!
warewareno
Lol good one.
Hahaha smooth!
Lol 😘😘😘✊🏾✊🏾✊✊🙌🏾... THANKS!
But did Bernie get a $2,000 wk ( unconfirmed ) allowance since he was a kid ?
No wonder bernie yells alot, he's been trying to warn y'all for like 30 years and you ain't listened lmao
😂
😂💟😂
40
@@IanMalcolm-rw5pn listen to everything he's saying here and try telling me he wasn't 100% right
@@jamesduffy7549 Bernie is a Communist,
America failed this man TWICE 😔😔😔
No, the Democratic Party failed Bernie and the USA twice
Can't say the guy hasn't stayed on message.
Yep, still ballot harvesting from the old and enfeebled.
Yea, stupid then, stupid now.
@@tourniquet3306 I'm sorry nobody loves you.
@@RJay207 only socialists don't love me.
@@tourniquet3306 Maybe you should see a therapist. It might help with your denial. And your daddy issues.
I hate how when I mentioned Bernie to any of my friends, they would all say, "He's too old." The dude has the sharpest mind of any politician I've known and can still play basketball.
Yet the same Dims calling Bernie old "elected" a 78 year old with dementia. Further irony that Dims hate old, rich, white men yet the entire DNC primary field was full of rich, old, white men (except for Tulsi Gabbard). Lieawatha and Klorbachev are still "transitioning".
Obviously you haven't seen Ron Paul.
@@davidp8627 hahahaha is all that can be said by people like you that still is drunk on the Cheeto flavored Kool-Aid. You republitards are hilarious as you continue to spew that same dribble that you're being told to say. Think for yourself. Read a book, it will help you save you from yourself.
Uh sure. Sharp mind pushing a terrible idea.
@@joemielcarek589 Can you explain how it's a terrible idea?
Can we all be honest. We all wanted Bernie Sanders to represent the Democrats instead of Biden.
Yeah im not even a democrat and i would rather have crazy bernie than sleepy joe
Fuck Joey
Proof of trump being a racist
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I'm just glad it was successful. Whatever we did it worked and we should be glad about that
@@newportnews5511 Yea whatever you guys did exactly lol
"Are you a capitalist?" (Trying to be a gotcha)
"No"
"So you don't believe in the free market?" (Double down on gotcha)
"I'm fine with free enterprise, I don't think we have it in the US.
Also, I think we can achieve more by working together than by destroying each other"
The way the anchor is like, Shit, he won my gotcha question. Priceless.
very clever indeed!
That “anchor” is the legendary Phil Donahue, who basically taught Oprah how to do a talk show.
I actually didn’t remember that he was on the Today show in the early 80s.
That anchor is Phil fucking Donahue. He wasn't trying to gotcha anything, with limited allotted time he had to be blunt & straight to the point. If you noticed he didn't really interrupt Bernie. He interjected only when necessary. Today's anchors should watch and learn a thing or two - that's how you conduct an interview. 7 minutes or 70 minutes, doesn't matter.
@@s.b.ghazalli2658 You inadvertently reminded me of that time Bill O'Reilly and Geraldo Rivera pointed and screamed over each other for 4 solid minutes on Fox News.
Economic illiteracy at its finest. At least he got the part that we don’t have free markets in the us right, although I’m sure the reasons behind why he said that where also completely incorrect, and he thinks free enterprise is when there are countless regulations limiting the choice of the people, while subsidizing businesses that fail to provide value to people through literal forced charity.
P:“But you’d consider legislation that would tax the wealthy?”
B:“*without hesitation* Absolutely”
Lmao gotta love him!
When Bernie is finished, anyone with a job will be the "wealthy" In fact, once a few million more poor and hungry people pour across our border, you are going to be the "wealthy" yourself!
@@rogerdodger8415 see this just isn’t true, it’s such a one dimensional attack on socialist policies. In the 1950s tax rates were above 90% yet that is known as the golden age of American economics
@@ldhdjzjjaklzjdbd6610 You like to spread that BS as a leftist talking point. You conveniently leave out that the debt is, TEN TIMES what it was back then. If you continue to GIVE CASH AWAY that you've taken out of the hands of the PRODUCERS OF WEALTH like Bezos, and the Google Boys and hundreds like them, then WHO OAYS BACK THE DEBT?? Now, before you say any more. Google this... "how much do the top one percent pay". FORTY PERCENT of all income tax collected. Do the same for the top 10%... THEY PAY 70% of all income tax collected. Now, who does that leave to pay the give aways that Bernie steals from one to pay another?? YOU!!! And after you soak the last nickle out of the rich, they'll leave and TAKE MILLIONS of jobs with them. Use your head, stop the socialist talking points. www.heritage.org/taxes/commentary/the-new-york-times-wrong-the-rich-pay-more-taxes-you-do
@@tii2015 Yeah, he's a leech. The better question would be... hey Bernie, how much comes out of YOUR pocket for the poor.
@@tii2015 That's right. We need producers, not loafers. The more that's produced, the cheaper the price, the more people that benefit, but with Bolshevik Bernie and his handouts.. only the leeches multiply
Its crazy how consistent he is. Never backtracks. Always the same. That means he's serious and driven.
He has amazing foresight. It's probably his best qualification for president... We fucked up, could a had a bad bitch lol
@@maudernart5246 yay yall really could have had a bad bitch😂
Imagine being this solid of a person and having the same values and serving the people for 40 years and not being a corrupt politician. Bernie ❤️
I never knew he had this weird scientist hair.
except he sold out to the DNC when they stole the primaries from him... two times lol
@@xRebirth11 that may be true but his agenda has gotten more attention than ever and he has a large base of gen y and z who share his beliefs. His agenda has become so popular all of the other candidates dropped out to ensure he would lose because overall the people want his ideas to become reality
@@xRebirth11 Bernie had to make himself attainable to us somehow, it was the Dnc who sold out Bernie...twice.
"Not me, us" 🙏❤
neither he nor his message have aged a day still looks like mid 80s
Aside from the fact he doesn't endorse civil liberties or supports getting government off people's backs.
"Immigration depresses American wages" - Bernie Sanders
@@xibalbabarca5350 Yes, because big businesses and corporations are now the new "big gov't" that have to be defeated.
@@jewnbugshekelstein5180 could you pull up the article or video where he said that pls?
He has made a fortune with his socialist character act.
now vermont’s like in the top ten for every good thing in the country
Except for diversity 🤣
@@binaryvoid0101 still stuck at 99% 😂
@@binaryvoid0101 Mostly due to its rural nature, climate, and lack of a large, historical manufacturing base, going back to the first factor.
@@binaryvoid0101 that’s every rural state tho
you could literally rank states by levels of urbanization/industrialization and then also rank by racial diversity and it would be the same chart. if you don’t know why that is just take grade school american history :)
I mean I still related to when he said Vermonters themselves can't afford to go to the downhill ski resorts and things, I lived there several years (even saw Bernie in person) and loved it but was constantly working especially on weekends, and didn't have the time to enjoy it enough. I moved away for employment opportunities which is common. I plan on moving back one day. It is so beautiful!
When Bernie started kindergarten he was eligible for Medicare
😂😂😂
Lol
FREE medicare
Pretty sure there's was never anyone below the age of 55 with the name Bernard
Lolololololol
Bernie was right then, and he's still right 40 yrs later. He doesn't change his principles to pander to anyone, voters or big money. The only honest and honourable politician I know of.
And that's why he couldn't win the nomination as well.
He's gotten even more right over time. Those wealth distribution numbers he mentioned have become even more skewed in favor of the rich. Over the last 40 years.
@Clark Hull Nice try bro, but try again.
@Clark Hull I am all for Black Lives Matter and have joined some marches. I have experienced inequality in this country as a Mexican. But Reparations are objectively bad. It would take a huge amount of money to do, which will end up coming out of the Tax payers' pockets. Also, what would be the criteria for who receives these reparations? Anyone who is African American? What about the millions of Black people who are not of African America descent? This will cause a divided in the Black community. If it goes to anyone who is black skinned, that defeats the whole purpose of Reparations, which is meant for descendants of slaves. Not every black person in America has roots in slavery. It is also unequal and unjust to pay someone for the color of their skin. Just take a look at the BEE in South Africa. It was created with the goal of helping Black South Africans, but many view it as racist as it is giving an advantage to people solely based on the color of their skin. I believe we need to focus on helping the poor in the US, which includes people of all races and ethnicities who are given an unequal shot in life due to their social/economic class standing. Yes, there still exists a huge racial problem in America, but that can not be solved by giving people money. Actual change and restructure of American society is needed.
@Clark Hull Remind me again what's Biden's policy on reparations? If being against reparations makes you look racist, then why did the majority of African Americans vote for him? Not only that, he has actively supported policies that were actually racist and caused great harm to the African American community.
Bernie was the only candidate who even substantively addressed the idea of reparations. We both know you are simply being disingenuous. So try again.
Bernie's heart, intellegence, consistancy, awareness, planning, and curly hair is showing. He is still a shining light for the US.
He would have been such a good president.
Not the president the U.S. wants, but the one it needs.
@@_FirstLast_ so true.
I think he will be able to perform like no other in the position he's now in. I am thrilled to see Bernie have a hand on the purse strings.
The dems fucked up
@@Marc_0v0 The dems in charge. Bernie is very popular among democrats but the dnc can't allow that
He sounds the same 38 years later. Same voice, same cadence, same accent, same message
@@BRockIITWi Which part? And don't say something vague like "all of it" without providing any specifics and context
I think young Bernie speaks much quicker, and I think his mind is sharper and more intense than it is today.
That is what is so lovely about him!
I know, that Bernie voice...amazing!
I think he has a stronger accent these days and he is talking slower.
I like the host. He appears unbias, asks Bernie straight questions, and lets Bernie do most of the talking. Today's hosts are so enamored with entertaining their viewers that it dilutes the interview.
Phil Donahue was pretty great. He later got fired because he didn't support the Iraq War.
Songs for the Blind u know...most of us on CZcams are 10-30, i think that this interviewer is just an old one
@gothatway09 couple of years ago, I had a dead phone so asked a store clerk if there was a payphone around. Looked at me like I was messing with him and asked what a payphone was
Rented a uhaul with roll up windows and my kids got excited when they realized what that weird turny thing did.
Yup. We're old 😂
@gothatway09 Hang on a minute now. Ask yourself how many of these "clueless Millennials" stories you have from firsthand experience versus second-hand. I'm not calling anyone here a liar; all I know is I'm 45, I've known literally countless Millennials and Gen Z's in the past couple decades (as a high school teacher and parent of a teenager with friends), and I've had very, very few of these encounters with any of them not knowing of these old technologies and pop culture figures. And the few I have encountered, the question is whose fault is it? --Theirs or the adults who raised them? For example I have definitely met kids who don't know how to read an analog clock. Now, yes we also had digital clocks (even wristwatches) in the 70's and 80's, but they weren't as ubiquitous as they are now, and so I guess some parents (and schools) see no need to teach analog reading of clocks. I made sure to teach mine but at 13 I can see that she still has to do some "counting" rather than know at a glance what time it is. Why? Because we have only one analog clock in the house; all the rest are digital, so the only time she has to read the analog is when she's in that one space in the house. Another complaint I hear is about cursive writing. Mine actually WAS taught it in school and I think lots of schools still teach it, but to be honest I can't think of any reasons kids would need it other than to sign their names. If I'm truly sad about the loss of any kind of education, it would be CIVICS, HOME ECONOMICS, AND SHOP classes. Some schools still teach some of these, to some extent, but the pressure to excel in reading and math push everything else to near nothing. And that's definitely not the kids' faults. Also, the stuff THEY know how to do on computers embarrasses me all the time.
@flex56k You could be 30 years old and not know who this guy is. That doesn't make them young. It makes you old. :P
Man these answers are so quick and sharp, he comes across as someone who has been thinking and talking about his politics with consistency for a long time pre interview
The benefits of a script.
Pretty wild that 40 YEARS AGO, at the height of the Cold War, he got a fairer shot to talk about socialism w/ a mainstream reporter than he gets today.
Thank God
@@lindahardin236 no
Like him or hate him, the man has been on-message for 40 years.
And it's paid off handsomely for him.
Yep, the same old Communist.
@Christian Gruber Bernie 2020
@@jrjr3412 List some sources that supports your claim
Hardi Zengana Google is free. Check on I don’t know the last 40 years of his policy ideas. His thoughts on communism openly. He was a real peach for those poor misunderstood Iranians in 1979.
It's so incredible to see how Bernie has always sticked to his political ideals, no matter what the zeitgeist was. The US missed a great president.
He would have taxed everyone into oblivion to meet the legislation he would have undoubtedly signed. Once the rich start laying people off and moving money overseas or simply retire since there is no motivation to invest it make money since they’ll be taxed, it will trickle down to middle class. It simply doesn’t work. I don’t think he’s a bad guy and I know he means well but his system would have people relying too much on the government and once they can’t deliver, they’ll be in a much worse spot
@@TestTest-ei4gi Yeah, America was such a shithole back in the '50s when tax rates for corporations were so high. Oh, wait....
@@pondy3490 i don’t make over $400k a year..... I’m saying small business or any business in general would suffer since there would need To be layoffs
and you are an idiot
@@TestTest-ei4gi The tax rate on the highest earners was 70% in 1965. The top marginal tax rate was 91%. That was before the tax breaks and legislation that allowed the rich to spend infinite sums. The american dream used to be anyone could buy a home and live a great life with any job. Now it's get lucky with a start-up or be the son of a billionaire and stay a billionaire. You let fear decide what would and wouldn't work. I believe more than anything that Bernie Sanders vision for the future, making things like they used to be before corporations ran the government, is the only thing that can save america for the sad excuse for a country that it has become.
“Conservative Vermont” that’s something you don’t hear everyday
He also says it’s one of the poorest. Now the people prosper and it’s known as the most liberal
VT used to be super conservative but it had a different meaning back then. It was pretty much entirely fiscal which makes sense because it was one of the poorest states at the time
Imagine a time when $25k on a single income was considered wealthy.
You need to adjust for inflation to make a real comparison. 25k in 1981 had the same purchasing power as about 71k today. I don’t really understand what you mean by “single income” but I’d consider making today 71k as a single person household to be well off, but certainly not wealthy.
@@curtis9894 Yeah but even then, a single household that makes $80000 today is not considered "wealthy". Not even remotely. Well off is a better way to put it. Wealthy is the multiples of six figures.
@@saidkharboutli7538 That's why he says (@5:30) he wants to tax "individuals perhaps, not families". That much is very clear.
@@carlosarmando7921 Yeah, I know, thats why I said "single household". An individual making $80000 is not considered wealthy in America right now. Not even an individual making $120000 would be considered "wealthy", definitely very well off but not wealthy.
@@saidkharboutli7538 $80k is an insane amount of money stfu. minimum wage in this country barely gets you on the poverty line as a full time worker, and double that is nowhere near $80k a year. basically you'd be at least considered upper middle class and those people should certainly be taxed.
This man should’ve been our president for 8 years now. Just watching this and thinking about how he isn’t our president, makes me want to shed a tear. Thanks Bernie for always sticking up for the people.
4 years. Or are you saying that Obama shouldn't had gotten a 2nd term?
@@FriedrichHerschel no I’m counting the 4 years that Biden is now serving as his.
@@FriedrichHerschel Bernie didn’t run against Obama silly.
@@FriedrichHerschel only trump, Hillary and Biden
@@124jayman Okay, let's recap: Sanders was running as well as Hillary Clinton back in the day for the Nov. 2016 election. Now we have Jan. 2021. That's 4 years. Were are those other 4 years coming from?
Bernie has never been anyone else.
He's never had any fuckin sense either.
Braves 37871 still a whacko
Prithvi Sharma oh misguided one, he’s right you know....
Someone that stupid can only only come around every 500 years or so - thank God.
Think for the next time he runs he just uses this clip if he forgets what to say. Hahha.
he was so ahead of his time. they label him a socialist but what he really does is understand the human condition.
The U-man condition
"They" didn't label him a socialist. HE labeled himself a socialist! Get it straight man.
You act like they are trying to label him or something. He's a self described Socialist. He's never been a Democrat.
I agree with you
Socialism is majorly Humanism
Socialism IGNORES the human condition. Humans are not inherently good, we are corruptible and selfish.
He warned us about Super Nationalism. He warned us.
Super nationalism has been around in the united states since the turn of the 1900s.
You truly believe there was no super nationalism in the 18th century?
@@humanoid9787 i mean idk honestly. I just feel like the hyper creation of patriotism and nationalism is very turn of the 1900s
@@robertdobert4714 yeah I meant to address it to op
Nationalism has increased due to the failure of both democracy and socialism in the last 20 years
Everytime I see this man, I think its an absolute shame he is not president.
@@StackSnackies I smell tankie
If Bernie won the dem primaries there would be a 0% chance of Bernie securing the moderate base or former republicans.
me too, I wish I didn't have to work anymore. I want my neighbors' money!
Lads, the more you talk the more it becomes clear how brainwashed ye all are by the american ideal of what socialism is. Many countries use it and are far happier than you Americans. Nowhere else in civilized countries is it a major issue to get healthcare. Its a basic human right. Not in america though. Enjoy your coal mining jobs, lets just hope for your sake canadians don't build a wall to keep you out from their free healthcare.
@@jamesp4132 I find it hilarious that you use Canada as an example for healthcare considering the fact that before the pandemic it would take up to 2 months to get a minor procedure or surgery there.
It's refreshing to hear someone remind the interviewer that a political label, such as "conservative" doesn't always have one particular meaning. Same goes for socialist or liberal.
Calle, your comment is Key. Nothing good comes from political labeling and it keeps Us polarized and at a standstill. Best we can do is stay open to discussing these types of issues (labeling) with others and maintain a civil discussion. Bernie 2016 and 2020!
So true!!! Love that and we need to be reminded of that instead of stereotyping one another
@Christian Gruber do you not understand that what he said applies to all parties and should be acknowleged by both
We need to come up with a way to inspire voters to do their own research. Stop getting all the information from headlines and five minute news clips. We need a way to inspire the people to want to educate themselves.
Christian Gruber shut up meg
A Legend since the 80's. History will honour this man, as he honours the people.
Bernies voice hasn’t changed sence the 80s and I love it.
He spoke a lot faster though.
Ny jewish accent
"Bernie Sanders is that scientist in every movie that warns everyone of their certain doom if they continue their ways - yet everyone thinks he's crazy. "
By the end of the movie, he was right all along.
And still didn't win 😥
And in the end he sacrifices himself for the better good!
He totally called Trump's response to losing the election before the election ever happened. He said that Trump would claim the election results are fraudulent and he would not peacefully give up his power. When he said it, I was concerned because I hoped he was wrong, but knew he was right.
Lol duhhh shit he knew what was gonna happen because he knew what Biden and all them were up to even while biden was hiding behind the boiler in his basement Biden even said Trump will not win cause even since hussan Obama was in office they have be workimg on rigged election they didn't think they needed to rig it to get killary to win but they were wrong. Now they want Trump gone because they are still scared they will loose if he runs a second term
@@tubahawk85 Not a hard call. Mail in ballots with poor oversight
were a shoo in for fraud and that's what happened. Do your
homework.
He rarely says "I" even when the interview is about him.
that's the thing. that's what i love.
"to being an 'us' -for once- instead of a 'them'"
"Not me, us."
he is a true comrade
To bad too many people listened to Trump saying he was gonna turn us into Venezuela and don’t even bother hearing what he’s saying
@@jackiew6402 It’s almost like what Trump supporters saw in him. But much different because he made it seem like it’s US the “real Americans” versus the people trying to knock us down. While Bernie is just saying it’s all of us we are all American. It’s too bad he couldn’t get farther in the race.
Being Norwegian, living in a society Bernie tries to advocate in the U.S, I can only say I feel very lucky to be born in Norway. Im conservative on many things, but I would never want to abolish social democratic values and systems in Norway, never. I pay my taxes and want that money to help my fellow citizens, so when I go out my door I feel safe, and good because I am part of a society and I am contributing to it and when/if I get ill, or lose my job, the very same society helps me back on my feet again. Socialism=Teamwork.
Not helping your fellow citizens might be good for your wallet right there and then, but it's short sighted, because poverty and economic divide creates social divides, which again creates social problems and crime. So you, if youre the lucky one, have to live in a walled palace, afraid of everyone outside. So I get why Americans want their guns, while I dont ever need one in Norway.
Indeed... I'm frustrated everyday that my grandparents didn't go back to Norway after the war 😬
@@Itsrainingcatsyall well, at that time Norway was one of the poorest countries in Europe, people lived hard life's, but the war brought Norwegians together and after the war the idea to help each other out through thick and thin developed, and then we found oil too. So I understand your grandparents, but youre welcome to migrate to Norway. Well after covid. But you earn more than enough here on normal jobs to go visit the U.S every year, amd have enough free time to do so maybe twice a year. Christmas and summer vacation.
As a fellow Norwegian I would warn you not to be smug about our health care system. The politicians and the parties we have today H, FRP, AP(particularly with Støre), V are all neoliberal parties implementing policies meant to undermine and slowly erode this system. You see more and more private; insurance, clinics etc. It looks more likely that our future is American rather than the opposite..
@@humushumus2219 im not being smug, amd yes thats true, but then you're basing that on a future where those parties win every election? In a working democracy, which we have, different parties and ideas win sometimes. The neoliberals as you call them are voted into office for many reasons but not to remove our social security, so if they propose anything like removing universal health care they will lose the next election with absolute certainty. They bring good ideas too, but the moment a party pushes the boundaries too far people will react and choose differently.
Also, AP, SP, SV, MDG and R are not going to remove universal health care and create an American system. Thats your opinion maybe, but back those claims up with facts.
So well said
This interview proves that Bernie has been consistently for the people all along. Unfortunately, by the time Bernie came around, the rich companies in America already had a tight grip on the economy... and still do.
@@Michaelh76 His policies so far have been consistent. His strategy, however, is sometimes different. You do everything you can to get your policies passed, even if that means compromising with a lesser evil. And why did he stop saying "millionaires?" It doesn't matter lol, his proposed marginal tax rate would affect him no matter what.
Put down the pipe bruh 😂this is jerk off🤣
@@Michaelh76 millionaires have now been replaced by billionaires
R.I.P Michael, his comment is now gone. For those wondering, his point was:
"Bernie capitulated to the Democrats twice, and also he stopped including 'millionaires' in his rhetoric, so he's not consistent."
The way he goes about it isnt right. He wants to give to the poor but the problem is the money he wants to give isnt his to give.
I miss this type of journalistic interview style. Education instead of agenda
I recommend watching Dave Ruben, he does very good long form interviews.
Tyler Ellis yeah I think we still had laws back then about truth in television. Sigh..
@@ThatsRight1776 Dave Rubin is a right wing hack, he only brings on right wingers and gives them a platform to preach their ideas
You'll find it on public media today (PBS NewsHour, NPR's 1A and Fresh Air), but not so much in corporate media.
@@laith4388 maybe left wing guys should go on his show? You can't force someone on something. Left doesn't want fox to question DNC candidates.
"Not all media has been consistently attentive to you..."
Ain't that the damn truth.
Because hes dumb
True now like it was then.
Some shit never change
The establishment controls the media. Of course they won't give him air time. They're afraid.
Yea how many mayor's can you name? How many got on this show? Bernie has always gotten millions in free media coverage, just like trump.
Damn, Bernie really shut Phil down toward the end when he tried to get Bernie with the whole free market thing. Phil really thought he could just slip that in right before going to commercial and Bernie was ready for it. The man knows what he's about.
"We do cross country skiing it's cheaper" i dont know if any elected official has been so human.
Omg yes!!!! I felt that in my bones. me to the core
I think the most surprising part of this video, for me, was the fact that the Today show used to actually report news, and give real interviews.
Not much news anywhere on TV. It's mostly entertainment and manufactured drama without providing information of real benefit to viewers.
I remember those days.
Yes, instead of being an asswipe for liberal media!
@@mightymeatmonsta I heard they eat babies too...!!
@@mightymeatmonsta R U Serious....let me guess,,ur a fox watcher...lol.....WAKE UP DUDE ....THE U.S. DOES NOT WANT RIGHT WING BULLSH** ANY MORE ...IT IS OVER...THE COUNTRY WILL BE A WHITE MINORITY COUNTRY WITHIN 10YRS,SO LIKE MICK MULVANEY SAID.....get over it....SORRY HOMEY!!!!!!
"We will watch with interest and wish you well." Back when people were a little more civil toward each other.
Pre-fox news media, before darth murdoch spread it's poison throughout the globe.
I think Donahue was himself a liberal.
Fuck you.
@@DarthVantos All news sources are B.S. but you are wrong with Fox. While for the most part right leaning they don't have to retract lies at anywhere near the rate of NBC-CBS-ABC-CNN-MSNBC-HLN-NYT-W.P.
@@andyleibrook6012 Yes, exactly! Fox news spreads it's lies and just doesn't give a fuck. You really have to hammer fox to make admit they are lying. While other new sources while Corporate learning, still at least have to reel in the lies when they are caught.
Ive seen fox pedel alex jones type conspiracies to millions and get it away with it. Meanwhile Alex jones gets hammered.
Legend has it at 1 yrs old Bernard's first words were " income inequality is grown at an exponentially alarming rate "
Yay Bernie for sticking to his values, no matter how unpopular. Thanks Senator Sanders :)
The one that got away..
@@dannyv2230 ?
And now his values are very popular.
Among many who are smart enough to know what capitalism fascism and communism actually are. Bernie is very popular. We need him
@spence it doesn’t screw anything. Poor migrant workers sending small amounts of their paychecks is not the issue. It’s billionaire stealing millions from our government. That is the problem.
A lot has changed in 38 years but Bernie hasn't.
I feel like he looks younger now honestly!
Less spit and slobber in those days, and the eyes weren't so crazy looking.
If the change was for the better he would have changed.
@Frank Smith
You have never had a bright thought in your whole life. Your comment is proof.
and got what done??
The way that he defended his stance as a socialist in america in 1981 is remarkable
All the while these politicians have been giving all the money to the rich and other countries.. ol Bernie has been looking to help the people all along... sad
Bernie Sanders: I make a rational case for socialist democracy, based on scientific evidence and an understanding of people's needs, for the benefit of the many instead of the few.
US Americans: He looks so old.
“Okay communist”
It's hilarious people call him socialist or communist to try to shut him down.
He's been extremely consistent with his political orientation, which seems to reflect social democracies such as Denmark, Sweden, Norway and Germany.
No matter where you stand, it is undeniable that all of those countries are overall doing very well in a lot of aspects.
Sure they're not perfect, but we will have to accept that, even when we heavily strive to do so, we'll likely never reach a perfect system anywhere in the world.
@@Juli.29 Most people are conformist and not open to new ideas even if our country is flawed.
^U.S. not US
Apparently you grow old very quick if you are always the smartest guy in the room.
Probably the only politician that cannot be accused of flip flopping he's been saying the exact same thing for decades.. gotta respect that.
Bernie tried to shut down a nonprofit hospital as mayor of Vermont.
Sadly the SJW's are gonna destroy his chances at the presidency. They're genuinely worse than the right.
@Christopher Smith "Never did a hard days work in his life"
How about the current president?
AOC had a regular job before being a politician, and conservatives rip her apart because she was a bartender to put herself thru school...
The same goes for Trump. Check his early interviews.
@Christopher Smith really? He took Vermont from one of the poorest states too one of the happiest and wealthier states to live in. Look at any map of the US based on poverty levels and the poorest places to live are mostly conservative run states. That alone tells you which systems work and which ones dont. Also the highest unemployment rates come from Republican states. So how are Republicans always shouting about lazy unemployed liberals?
Social programs like libraries, police, food banks, PENSIONS.
most of the food banks are from non-profits and churches.
Everyone gets pensions??? Why wasn't I told and where do I sign up? I am getting one already from my company when I retire.
I didn't know the government gave everyone a pension though!
Oh, and K-12 education, roads, fire departments.
@@truepeacenik Always trying to say we're already a socialist country haha.. so funny. I love how people get fed that and they love to regurgitate it like it's gospel.
Learn something:
learnabouttheunitedstates.com/under-our-constitution-some-powers-belong-to-the-states-what-is-one-power-of-the-states/
I’m conservative but I wish we had more people with the integrity of Bernie Sanders. What I respect about Bernie Sanders is that he’s consistent and cares about the people he’s elected to serve over any special interests sliding him money. He didn’t become a millionaire until he wrote a best selling book unlike all these other rats in Washington. While I may disagree with his policies I know he believes that it is what is best for the people and not for his bank account.
It's telling (and sad) that the Mccdrew comment (above) got 12K likes and yours didn't get a comparable amount.
Can anyone name a politician that has been this consistent on a message for this long?
Mmmmm...Genghis Khan?
@@heckler73 Touche... I think you may have found one, though it would be close. and bernie is gaining...
Ron Paul? Been crushing socialists for 50 years
Stalin Mao Hitler
Crazy is...as crazy does!
The good old days when $25k a year was considered on the edge of wealthy!
Its all relative. A slice of pizza was 60 cents too.
And a Millionaire was rich.
@@Kgio-2112 slice of pizza is still 60 cents at little caesars
@@48956l Is that really food though?
@@jimziemer474 and millionaires are still rich
He looks so old even 40 years ago! Apparently he hasn’t had color in his hair since the 70s
I think she’s just wearing the same gold curtains in the background hahah
I'd say since the early 70's... lol
What a legend. You don't see this type of integrity in a politician anymore.
Considering he is still a politician, how do we not see it anymore? How does a a socialist that has gotten rich in office and owns three homes exemplify integrity?
The words politician and integrity don't go together.
I remember the first time when he ran for President he narrowly lost the nomination to William Henry Harrison
harvey20c lmao
Good shit
His policies have never swayed despite losing the Democratic nomination he's been consistent and held the same ideological perspective for his entire tenure and that speaks for itself and should be a no-brainer when it comes to voting for your best interests and not these politicians that change their position like they change their socks and underwear and play political games with the Grand old party
@@davidfrison3784 but he's 9000 years old
harvey20c Indeed. I’m very much looking forward to his next loss.
Bernie Sanders never flip flopped
215mookies he never passed bills either
Bernie has passed 7 bills as the primary sponsor & been a supporter sponsor of 85 others. Not entirely honest, what you're saying.
he flip flopped on hillary. he said he was going to fight the establishment but all along he was part of the ruse.
@@jayhau7895 All government is a ruse.
MWiatrak you say 7 bills like that’s a lot loool
Consistency, honesty, courage. Profound respect.
@brian fike strong words, contribute with actions, help in organising the change, with better unions, civics movements... I also know the failures of the previous democratic administration. Dividing and radicalisation will lead to certain defeat. Keep cool and organize and unite all the progressive forces.
Profoundly stupid.
Socialism is one of the most misunderstood concepts. At least in America.
No, we understand it fine. Most of us just prefer personal agency and freedom over the idea of a government deciding what's best for the people
@@gnarbyq4667 By your statement you have proven that you don't understnad it. Socialism is a step toward communism according to Marx, which is when the people control the means of production, when regular people control this. they gain power, which equals self government. It is not about oppression and lack of freedom. This is a myth. China is not socialist, its a dicatorship who call themselves communist. I don't know if a socialist system would work well becuase it has Never been done. But I do know that this corrupt capitalist system we have is failing us.
@jimminy cricket ahh yes amazing argument. On point. Straight to the ad hominem. No bullshit.
@@gnarbyq4667 Case in point, that’s not what socialism is.
@jimminy cricket ok well my rebuttal to that is: you’re wrong
"If I were the president of the largest bank in Burlington I'd be real nervous about you."
Good.
Sometimes I shed tears of blood at night instead of sleeping when I think of those poor bank owners reduced to eating a moldy crust of stale bread he stole from a beggar, lying overwhelmed by hunger on his mattress stuffed with million dollar notes…
The 80s: It was the top 2%
Now: it's the top 1%
That's the only difference.
That 1% also has more wealth now than the 2% of the early 80s.
Take it even further and say .01%, and it's still not that far from the truth
And the bottom 10% today is way better off then back then.
@@deeknott3031 by 1 percent.
top 2% controlled a 1/3 of the wealth, today 1% control 90% and the bottom 10% are worse then ever
I stg I don’t care if he’s in a damn hospital bed, I want him as president 2024. He would still be better than what we’ll ever have even in feeble health.
It appears that he's well situated to bring about real change. This requires that the president listens and that the opposition don't throw up pointless roadblocks. The first part is true, but the second is far from it. The Republicans will do everything in their power to stop progressive change if there is any chance that it might reduce their power. I have some hope for your country, but it's a reserved hope.
We could have had this. But instead we chose the darkest timeline.
For real. He has more energy than Biden too and he’s older smh
Why can't we have political shows now where there's a civil conversation instead of people yelling over each other?
hat872001 there’s still some on public television. Otherwise the profit motive ruins everything.
People yelling is more exciting
ads my friend, the answer to your questions is ads.
Because Trump showed that turning politics into wrestling brought in the money, people watch.
because the lunatic left outrage mob has made civil discourse impossible with their emotional histronics.
Imagine saying the same thing for 40 years and people still don’t listen. How does the guy still have a will to live?
He is tenacious.
He's playing the long game.
@@Hollyslse Tenacious B
He’s the Jack Bauer of politics
He has made tremendous change in many ways, he has inspired millions, he is walking the long road but has been able to gain much through it. I love this man's tenacity. He deserves the best.
Sounds like these days a state like Kentucky could really use a Bernie. 40 years on Vermont seems to be doing pretty well for itself
yeah no, I'm from Massachusetts. Vermont is pretty bad for business if you have ever seen it. Almost every street in the state has a 250 year old pile of wood that use to be a barn.
This is history. This man has changed this country forever. He may not live to see it, but his dream will be realized.
You can not beat the consistency.
Watch this...and you tell me.
czcams.com/video/mxf1XmVZ9qY/video.html
Ashwin's link looks hinky to me.
Ashwin Mouton Donald Trump got into the presidency and filled his cabinet up with Goldman Sachs
Ashwin Mouton Donald trump can’t decide what he said the day after he said it...
@@tylerdurden3722 you're not aware that is entirely propaganda. I can find literally all of those clips and have him saying the exact opposite. You're a sycophant or ignorant. Maybe both
Bernie's like the only guy who's been saying the same thing for decades now and it's ALWAYS for the working people. I hope some of the young up and coming Congresspeople and Senators take Bernie's torch and continue to fight for what's right for the people in this country, not just the select few.
See the justice Democrats and the squad....
AOC is looking promising in that regard
For the working people? Bernies policies would destroy the job market...
@@Likkivi Since you are making that claim would you care to elaborate and be more specific as to why his policies would destroy the job market? Asking this earnestly. You said it, so educate us.
@@lbplbp1 Because there's a huge disconnect between Bernie's foreign policy and his vision for distribution of wealth.
He wants to dramatically increase minimum wages but at the same time allow millions of uneducated immigrants into the country. What happens when you increase work supply and force companies to pay higher? They fire employees and society will be left with a huge amount of unemployed people that are a liability to society and safety. It will also increase corruption as the incentive for social dumping and engaging in the black market will be more profitable.
The public sector would also grow dramatically, and as continuously more people grow dependent it will snowball into a dysfunctional size where again corruption becomes more destructive due too government power over individuals increasing.
That's why countries such as Venezuela are complete shitholes in spite of having an abundance of natural resources. Socialism corrupts people.
Bernie Sanders - criticizing wealth accumulation since back when the 1% where still 2%.
He's one of them now.
@@Tawny593 and yet still advocates for his own economic class to pay more in taxes unrelentingly. Raises money for charities. Does so much good.
@@PeterKropotkin42069 There's nothing good about communism.
@@Tawny593 if you think communism means : "rich people pay their fair share" then you're TFG
@@zachwenger1128 Communism means starvation, misery and death. Only the elite CP members have anything.
"Many of the poor people in Vermont cannot afford to go downhill skiing, we do more cross-country skiing, it's cheaper." LOL
Anyone else get the feeling that TV was smarter back then?
Agreed. We thought our technological advances would improve our quality of life and that we would amass a wealth of knowledge to share.
In recent years, it has gone to an oversimplification that has diminished our communication and vocabularies. It has eroded our society rapidly, but by starting with an awareness, we can have more hope than merely salvaging ourselves
LOL! Then came Oprah, Geraldo, Maury, Danny, Morton, etc. Noisy and raunchy, they drowned out enlightening discussion with a cacophony of crap.
@@steveforrester7653 breitbart...
Steve Forrester - Cacophony of Crap.. I’ll start referring to sensationalist media as that lol thanks
No...Americans are now far stupider than ever!!!!!
Lindsey Graham changes where he stands on an issue during the same interview. Meanwhile Bernie's been giving this speech for 40 years.
Still wrong 40 yrs later
Has someone mashed up Lindsay Graham debating himself through his own hypocracies?!?
Bubba Ho-tep he believes so strongly in it
40 years of doing nothing and living off the public dime eating better than anyone in this comments section 😂👍
Bubba Ho-tep Yeah. Bullshit never changes. Even in the face of facts, it still is the same old bullshit. People that change their mind are open to new ideas and open minded. But again, bullshit remains.
This man really asked Bernie if he’s a capitalist
@Aleksandar Samardzic He’s socialist
@Aleksandar Samardzic Democratic Socialist
@Aleksandar Samardzic So, if what you mean by social-communism is all the social aspects of communism, then you are saying he wants to eliminate the concept of class, money, and state. I wouldn’t say that’s what he truly wants, if that’s what you mean.
Fun fact: Bernie is a huge baller. His brother said in an interview that he would have rather played basketball than just about anything else when he was young. Same was true for Lou Costello, of Abbottt and Costello.
By the time Bernie Sanders was 24 years old, he was wearing cardigans and complaining about a draft when someone left a door open.
That draft happened to be Vietnam.
Oh my god I love this comment 😂
"Wow, is it chilly in heauh owuh is it just me?"
“We got to get a fire Berninnnn in hewa”
I think that’s just called being Jewish
"2% of the population owning 1/3 of the wealth"
Those were the good ol' days
lmao right
Lmaooo
Lol. You're right.
stromada1 Everyone works but only 5 people get the reward 💰 from all that work. That sounds right to you? You know, it’s too bad they don’t sell IQ points in pill form because you could use a couple bottles.
Btw I didn’t realize Europe was communist. I bet that’s news to them.
Mike McDermott Those people are the reason everybody has a job many times.
People complain about amazons corporate tax breaks, but they only got that for creating so many fucking jobs basically.
Y’all don’t have the capacity to think about this properly it seems
I was born that year and this guy was already doing good politics. Bernie is a man of principles. Respect.
Bernie Sander's rhetoric and principles have not changed in 40yrs, what a rare kind of politician! Respect to him!!
Bernie is so real. What a great interview.
Donahue: This is Bernard Sanders and he his a socialist
Also Donahue: So are you a capitalist?
He looked like he wanted to fucking murder Bernie shortly before he asked
At that time being a capitalist was more or less considered to be the opposite of a communist. The word capitalist was used to distinguish oneself from the Soviet Union. We're capitalist, they're communist, we're democratic, they're authoritarian. Also, capitalism, which was basically synonymous with the free market, was evidently a better economic system than communism, because all new technology and science came from the Western world, and the Western world was much richer, to be a capitalist was simply a no-brainer. So an elected official claiming not to be a capitalist was kind of novel, and still kind of is, although less so than back then, that's why the question was asked.
@@ReddoFreddo right thats why its so funny though because theyre opposites lol
Mark Ruffalo favors Young Bernie strongly, So I'm casting Mark Ruffalo for a Bernie Sanders movie in my head right....now.
Hard to believe he's only 22 years old here.
He's born in 1941. How is he 22 here?
@@leafyutube its a joke
@@chayenne9614 I see. I'm like Sheldon in Big Bang Theory. I take posts literally.
The original Hans Moleman
@@leafyutube no, your response was normal. it wasn't a funny joke, more like random attempted sarcasm.
You know, I am more surprised by the interviewer than Bernie. I knew what Bernie would say, before he said it, but the interviewer was tough while being fair and letting Bernie finish answering the question. When is the last time you have seen media behave this way?
Abid Naqvi Phil Donahue is a legend. This country started down the wrong path the day that Oprah and her softball housewife existential garbage overtook Phil’s intelligent everyman interview style.
old Phil Donahue. great interviewer. excellent show.
I wasn't born yet during Phil's TV show, but I have watched Ellen Degeneres.
If you don't know who Phil Donahue is, I guess you don't know he's married to Marlo Thomas. But maybe you don't know who Marlo Thomas is, either. Think St. Jude Hospital... founded by her father, Danny Thomas.
Phil Donahue held himself to a higher standard than they're held to today.
I cannot believe there was a time where Vermont was "conservative" and "one of the poorest states"
It very much was, on both counts. I remember
It's still not rich. Vermont is 33rd state in GDP per capita and 23rd in average wage. But it has been getting better ever since they started to vote blue.
and now every state has those levels of poverty. Weird how things work eh?
@@jblps not really that weird. That was Reagan's goal.
@@UKRSHEV As a Vermont resident I am going to fact check the F out of this and say your wrong. Go outside of Chittenden county and look at how extreme the poverty is. Most Vermonters are on some kind of government assistance. Young people leaving in droves. Infrastructure has not grown nearly at all since voting blue. If anything it has diminished. Global Foundries wants to leave, Energizer has left. Our current governor is literally BEGGING anyone to be in Vermont, and hes republican. But sure things are "getting better".
This man is and always has been, in it for the American people!! A true American Hero!! ❤❤❤
he's a communist, he has several houses and sports cars. he's never held a job in the private sector yet from public office he's written books so his wealth is from capitalism because of his public life. He is NOT for the American people. He is for marxism for everyone else but not for himself.
@@magdalenem4949 You're nuts. Just because he has money he's a communist?? Absolutely EVERYTHING you just said about Bernie fits with Trump too.... who's ALSO never had a real job.... Your logic is totally flawed and your argument makes *ZERO SENSE.*
@@BargainBarons Trump created jobs as a capitalist so he's had a lot of real jobs: real estate mogul, hotel owner, reality TV star, investor, ect. He also NEVER took a salary as POTUS. Did Bernie ever donate any of his congressional salary? NO. He only knows how to spend YOUR money, not his own. Bernie has no idea how to create wealth except sell books on redistributing other people's wealth. Bernie honeymooned in the USSR during the cold war. He is a communist, and those are the same people who currently want to nuke us and that's who you are supporting.
@@BargainBarons He honeymooned in the Communist Soviet Union. Who does that unless they love Communism?
@@Streeknine You're another *Q-Tard* aren't you?? That's completely assinine!! Trump is best friends with PUTIN!!! Like COME ON!!! The guy's a straight up FASCIST!!! If I were you, I wouldn't advertise that you support fascists in a public Forum like this... VERY un-American of you. Shameful.
This Bernie guy is good. He should run for the Senate.
I bet this guy would look great in mittens
😂😂😂😂
Lol
Cooperation is more in our human nature than competition. THIS MAN GETS IT.
Cooperation to destroy each other is even deeper in our nature.
Brave man but to say he getd it might not be so true
We cooperate only to compete against others who are also cooperating.
Mutual Aid book gives more insight into our human nature, about how we are more cooperative than we thought.
Within small groups of similar cultures yes, not large groups with no defining culture, that is the crux.
This kid is gonna go far.
If only
The Democratic Party says no
Thay didnt age well
He did go far, despite the fact that the DNC and their media hoes c*ckblocked him from becoming the Dem nominee twice in 4 years.
if he is stil attacking the same problems after 40 years, it is because the problems of the US haven´t changed in 40 years
a really sad realization...
to a great extent they started around the time of this interview. Ronald Reagan's message of do-nothing government hollowed out the welfare state and increased poverty for decades
His mind hasn't deteriorated one bit. Same vigor, same sharpness.
That's because he never had much to say to begin with
@@grants5554 considering he helped pull of a filibuster before means you’re wrong. Sorry snowflake
@@Xanderboof lmao, you know a filibuster is implemented for the sake of stalling right? So literally saying nothing?
@@Xanderboof also I'm genuinely curious, why do liberals think they look good calling other people "snowflakes"? Have you heard the term "the pot calling the kettle black"?
@@grants5554 snowflake 😘