ANAKIN LOST TO AHSOKA OH MY GOD
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- čas přidán 14. 09. 2023
- Ahsoka episode 5 had ANAKIN SKYWALKER fighting Ahsoka Tano in his dark side form as Darth Vader, and he LOST to her...
the internet is furious and fans are angry...but...did he really lose? Let's take a closer look...
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Anakin fulfilling his destiny as chosen one bringing balance to all the realms
Shocked that anyone truly thinks anything different. Mind blown!
1: Naw, Ahsoka beat Anakin clean. Her swordsmanship is on par if not outright beyond his & the episode made that clear by showing you. Any other take would be a conclusion based on inductive reasoning rather than deductive reasoning. Based on this episode you could try to make a strong argument as to why Anakin is holding back but you couldn't make a valid one.
2: Now, if you want to argue who is more powerful in the force then sure. But if Anakin has to use the force just to make up for his deficiencies with a saber, then that too is a W for Ahsoka. It actually makes sense too. He trained her himself to be a weapon. Darth Vader Wasn't Able to dominate her in rebels by speed blitzing her or even overpowering her quickly. There isn't anyone alive in her Galaxy on her lv with a saber, not Luke or Baylan. Baylan only won because she had a now confirmed mental nerf but more importantly, she wasn't focused on him and him alone.
3: People can be BIG MAD about the Student surpassing the Master (in swordsmanship) but that's a them problem. You can try to make up whatever you want but the episode itself will always contradict any other conclusion that's not Ahsoka beat Anakin twice in swordsmanship.
I literally sleep better at night knowing he’s fulfilling his role as the ‘chosen one’
@@MelloTheCreatorThis is the biggest Ahsoka wank I have seen in my entire life my god
dave needs to pump out some live action clone wars. its just too good
There’s no way people actually thought that he was going 100%
They will always complain about anything.
"Some men just want to watch the world burn"
Honestly some people are so dense; its unreal. Like their brains didnt watch or remember the preceding scene.
They also say Anakin turns to quickly in ROTS when he was turning the second the Jedi brought up the fear of losing his mom.
We must be patient with them
Yeah this is clearly just a way to guide her. I wouldn’t even say he didn’t go 100%, I’d say he even LET her win to let her make her choice to live or not.
I mean this isn't the real sith Anakin. It's just a ghost of the past.
Star Wars fans gotta be the most retarded fandom ever. They straight up start fuming at the thought of a woman beating their favorite male character, without even understanding the context...
Ashoka didn’t beat Anakin. She beat her self. She beat her doubt, her trauma, her blame. Once she decided she wanted to live Anakin stopped fighting. Because Ahsoka stopped the fight within her self. She found peace after decades of torture. ❤
Boy even let go of his "hatred" again then gave us his smile. These Ahsoka simps are ridiculous lol!
Love this
This person right here really understood the scene
Thanks for this comment. Great explanation.
Like Anakin said, "There's hope for you yet."
I don’t think Ahsoka would ever delude herself into thinking she could actually defeat prime Anakin. She clearly understood the lesson in the end and Anakin seemed satisfied with the result.
On an unrelated note I hope Rosario works on her fight choreography, the young Ahsoka actress nearly nailed CW Ahsoka’s fighting style. But Hayden seemed to be slowing down several strikes to allow Rosario to catch up in the choreography. (Which ironically kind of fit the scene but I don’t think it was intentional)
You could see it when Hayden does his signature RoTS spin that he almost loses the momentum and does basic strikes to allow Dawson to catch up lol! Obviously, how the hell could you react to that even in lore but Ahsoka even past her prime should be able to do a deflect.
@@dadian803anakin had her on the ropes every time he tried
@@dadian803he switched to his vader fighting form that’s why he slowed down
Ye, if you focus just on her in these fight scene you can see that her fighting is really wooden. Shes not good at it, but hopefully she can get better.
@@dadian803 But that's not the point. Do you realize we JUST saw "full potential Vader" lose to a girl who NEVER finished her jedi training??? Don't give me that he wasn't really trying nonsense, because that's just what Disney thinks of Anakin. They HATE him, but will continue to bring back Hayden because they know we LOVE him.
What's beautiful is that Anakin has finally achieved the power to save the ones he cares about from death. Ahsoka nearly died in her fight against Baylan. Anakin shows up and in the form of a lesson, was able to save Ahsoka from death.
Yeah, not only did he save her from physically drowning by pulling her into World between Worlds, he also gave her the driving force (pun intended) she's lacking past two and a half decades. NOT the motivation to not die in a war, a motivation to prevent one, and live another day.
I didn't even think about that. You're so right. Damn!
Saving others from death from the afterlife...ironic. But nah seriously, I never thought of it that way. It's honestly beautiful.
Excellent
It's like poetry. It rhymes
Anakin came to Ahsoka to help her and teach her a lesson she needed to learn. He didn’t come to her to prove he’s so cool he can stomp her in a duel and then peace out.
exactly I'm not sure why everyone is just being Anakin's hype man here like "SHE COULD NEVER BEAT HIM RAH!" like mfs Obi-Wan beat him. SEVERAL times. Luke Skywalker beat him. If Anakin had to duel Ahsoka as a way to like you know, final test her so she could be a Jedi Knight, BET MONEY she would give it her all, and win. This girl took on MAUL and won. She'd be FINE.
It's not the real Anakin, it's a mere vision.
I believe this is anakin he could be the new mortis god he could be the guardian of the world between worlds and he will help his son and his apprentice when he can
Too bad this is as far as we can go in terms of filmography. Beyond the copyright border lies the darkest void any man can ever come across. :(
@@rpgadventurer32 No it's him, or she wouldn't be in the world between worlds
Also what the detractors also missed is Anakin finally heeding/ learning Obi-Wan's lesson during their lightsaber sparring session in the "Kenobi" series; he was so obsessed with proving himself and seeking validation that even Obi-Wan feared that it could be his undoing; in "Ahsoka", Anakin is no longer selfishly obsessed with proving his own worth and power but instead, he's all about empowering Ahsoka, whom he cares for deeply, and he understands that the only way to help her attain self-actualization is by selflessly humbling himself in the process
Anakin could have cut Obi Wan down aswell but held back and Obi Wan learnt a lesson aswell. His will to win will never be his undoing.
One cool thing about the choreography during the fight between Anakin and Ahsoka is that if you watch closely you can see numerous times where Anakin could take Ahsoka out but doesn't, he's being just aggressive enough to force a response from Ahsoka without going too far
I agree with this interpretation, but this is actually true of almost all movie choreography. Cinematic fights are not always practical fights. Many times people pull their sabers back rather than just stretch forward another 3 inches. It's not like lightsabers require effort to cut people. Lots of the missed hits too don't look like they were intended to connect. The reason they don't is because of course they aren't trying to hit each other in the face. But sometimes I'm like "Yeah, dodging an intended strike would take more effort than just staying still and staring down the swinging saber."
Very enjoyable fight though.
@@thoughtful1233Bruce Lee said something to the effect of real fighting doesn't make good cinema
I believe that accuracy he learned from Vader. Vader was always so accurate and pinpointed exactly where and when to strike and not to strike.
@@matthewthompson6908 As we see in the OT where he swung his saber like a baseball bat whenever he started getting serious, hitting everything around Luke rather than aiming at him and overswinging every time.
But yeah, I like mythologizing this stuff too, it's fine.
@@thoughtful1233saber choreography was extremely bad back in OT tho… those movies didn’t do their battles justice at all.
I 100% agree, he was teaching her the whole time and had to get tough because she’s stubborn, not actually trying to kill her, he was showing tough love to make a point and let her beat him because he knew that once she had the opportunity to kill him she would understand what he was trying to teach her. The whole scene and Hayden’s performance gives me chills every time I think about it, incredible.
I honestly think that the whole thing was an analogy for depression and how she still feels responsible about Anakin turning to the Dark side, the live or die thing could be an analogy of how someone depressed doesn't know what to do with themselves and that he's telling her to fight and Live, trying to help her through some tough love and trying to tell her that it wasn't her fault and that you make mistakes and can't always control everything I mean he definitely lost to her on purpose to make her choose on that last bit, imho it's amazing how they can fit so much on such little timeframe I think the episode was AMAZING!
@@Gr1nd0r 100% agree. In another way, Anakin kept saying "Live, or die". For a while, Ahsoka had just been surviving, going from one battle to the next almost like a robot, but he wanted her to actually move on and actually *live* her life.
Agreed. Anakin is physically dead; she can’t “kill” him. It’s a test. If she “kills” him she must give in to fear, hate and anger. She has never hated Anakin. But she suffers from guilt (I walked away from my master; if I had stayed maybe he wouldn’t have changed), she suffers from fear (Anakin was the greatest of us; if he could be turned, so might I), she suffers from disillusionment (the Jedi’s legacy is death and destruction in war) and frankly, when we see how young she was in the Clone Wars, she suffers from PTSD. Anakin had to let her win to show her that his changing was not her fault; that being turned is a choice she fully controls, and that giving in to suicide is not what she wants, if she wants to live she must fight for it. She will not turn now; she has been tempted by the Dark Side abyss and she knows she now has the strength of character to refuse it. Her master is still with her, even if not in physical form; the good in him, dominant as a force ghost, has never abandoned her as she did him. That’s forgiven. Now he wants to relieve her of those soul-killing burdens, but she must be fully tempted to learn the lesson. The aikido like moves where she avoids Anakin’s overhead strikes prove this. Those would not have worked against Vader or Anakin. He allowed her to take his sword precisely to see if her anger and fear would cause her to try to kill him. If she did, she could be turned. When she refused, as Luke did to Vader, she passed the test. Oddly enough, there’s love in this exchange. Anakin cared enough to summon her for her next lesson so she might fill her destiny as a long line if rebellious Jedi, and somewhere inside she still loved her master enough that she could not kill him. It was a tough way to teach it, but Ahsoka is a stubborn person. She gets snippety. He knew precisely how to test her and thus she is reborn. She is full Jedi now and knows she cannot be turned. That knowledge is power. She also knows, from her NDE, that there is an afterlife. That changes her outlook, her guilt and removes her fear. She knows now. She is Ahsoka the white. Her training is complete.
It's absolutely noticeable that, even when tapping into his Vader persona, Anakin was in full-on teacher mode. His gait was not unlike how he dueled with Luke too. The guy was definitely holding back but also not making it easy.
Naahh Ahsoka beat Anakin/Vader fair and square. The dude calls himself the chosen one meanwhile everyone sh*t on him.
@@Mysterion_KMno she didn’t lmao
@@zachlegrand7820 yes she did lol.
@@Mysterion_KM Why my man love to troll?
@@HulkVahkiin i'm not trolling dude.
At this point Anakin is stronger than he’s ever been. I think he’s more in tune with the force and more balanced than ever. He knew what he needed to do for Ahsoka to learn what she needed. Obviously he didn’t actually lose.
I love how he let her take HIS saber, glowing red, almost a choice to turn, an opportunity, she didn't take it.
@@Albertalorian 100%. Granted i've probably watched part of this episode like 10 times, and all of this seems to glaringly obvious in my eyes.
That is spot-on but the real reason is Disney is woke and they aren't going to let a guy win versus a girl much less a white guy over a dark skinned girl.
🎉
Even when Anakin was in his Dark Side mode he was still in control, he wasn't trying to murder her, more like teasing her, forcing her to be more aggressive.
Obviously Anakin was holding back, this was just a test for her. He even actually beat her in the duel, after he disarmed her his final swings were very simple, to give her a chance to turn the tables and see what she would do if he was at her “mercy”.
But I wonder if Anakin/Vader fought without holding back if his eyes would go fully red like the Son instead of yellow/red like the Sith.
That's not the real Anakin, it was a vision, nothing more.
@rpgadventurer32 Bro that was absolutely 100% the real Anakin
If she would have given in the answer would be death
Well actually we had seen him kinda like ''without holding back his eyes'' in Rebels s2 finale as Vader against Ahsoka. I could be wrong, though.
@@artemiXerrTV Yes in Rebels Vader didn’t hold back and would have decapitated Ahsoka if Ezra didn’t save her, but that was not Vader’s full potential, and his eyes were yellow.
He was holding back, he wanted her to win. He was trying to teach her.
People are too stupid to see that Anakin was just training his student 🙄 😂 and Say the show is woke and too female but the whole show is about finding two men....ironic...
Anakin was being the Jedi Master that Ahsoka needed. Like you said about teaching your children, the Master/Padawan relationship is similar to parenting in many ways, and he was giving her the confidence and desire to live that she needs. Anakin is at his best now.
I agree, one thing to note is how different Anakin is now compared to Episode 3. He may have the same appearance but this is clearly Anakin post vader, arguably a completely changed person at this point.
I never interpreted this as Anakin losing to Ahsoka. I thought he let her win so he could see if she'd be able to restrain herself from killing him, and also choose to live.
It's baffling that there are people who can't grasp this concept. It's so obvious.
It’s not even really a “letting her win” anakin is in control, he can’t die now lol. It was simply a lesson.
@@CaveTeeth With how simple it is, you'd think nobody would be saying such things. Then again, it's these same types of people that scream the loudest about politics and the culture war. So it's no wonder they absurdly misinterpret a really obvious plot point, or intentionally twist it to hate on a show that's being praised. It's sad.
@@mycelia_owYou underestimate how stupid people are.
Yeah it seems unlikely that she could ever defeat him. He let her win to help her as she learned the lesson.
Exactly how I see it. I agree
Yes. He was pushing her to fight and be offensive. Her time after 66 was her hiding and working in the shadows. He wasn’t the shadow warrior… she was.
It's not the real Anakin either way.
@@rpgadventurer32 Yes it is. I mean, that's not even in question. It was 100% the real Anakin, it was simply either his force ghost or maybe as a lot of people suspect, Anakin as a new Mortis Force God. This probably only happened because they were in the World between Worlds but it was still real. Jacen could even hear their lightsabers clashing.
@@rpgadventurer32 this was a balanced Anakin. The father told him he would take his place eventually. He could have pulled Snips into the WBW as she fell which is why she never drowned after hours under water and why Jacen could sense her battle with Anakin. It would also make it understandable why Anakin wasn’t glowing Blue and transparent. He is the balance. After the lesson was learned he sent her back to the water where they finally found her.
He said right in the beginning of their meeting that he was there to give her her final lesson. I think that episode was handled excellently. Proper use of the WbWs by bringing her to something in her past, no changing things, just her learning. I think the Super Saiyan Anakin was awesome. I don't think he brought it to kill her, but to push her to that decision. He even could've known what the outcome was going to be, but needed Ahsoka to see it as well, thus even 'throwing' the fight at the end once she had clarity.
I was never upset about this scene and Ahsoka "beating" Anakin, because I thought it was very clear that this was him--not at all trying to win--but, through the Force, returning to teach his former padawan a very important lesson while her life was literally hanging in the balance. He wants to relieve her of her guilt and pain, for her to emerge from near death to victoriously discover and fulfill her own destiny. Not to feel doomed to follow the legacy that she THOUGHT was his, but to realize the truth of his legacy and her own as well. To find a new sense of pride in both, her master's and her own. I thought the episode was really beautiful and managed to get the message across, and this is coming from a SW fan who wasn't really a fan of Ahsoka before seeing her in live action during The Mandalorian. That's what made me want to go back and binge everything else I could about her character, and now I have a brand new appreciation for her...and for Anakin, although I've loved him since Ep II, thanks to Hayden and George Lucas. ❤
I never thought Anakin was trying to kill Ahsoka, much less harm her. He wanted to teach her to accept loss as inevitable, she needed to not feel such guilt over it, AND she needed to avoid his fate. See, shortly before Baylan knocked her off the cliff, she saw Shin and feared Sabine was dead. In her anguish, she instantly went dark side and forcechoked Shin, followed by slamming her against a Boulder, which angered Baylan.
Here's my interpretation Anakin was testing Ahsoka's indecisiveness and tenacity as a Jedi. He channeled his dark side Vader just to see, if Ahsoka would be seduced by the dark side striking him down. The lesson underscored here was Anakin teaching Ahsoka how to evolve as a Jedi, and she successfully passed the ultimate test not succumbing to her anger
100% spot on
No way people truly believe Ahsoka could defeat Anakin, the entire time you can see he’s holding back, this was a lesson that he was teaching. I loved this fight and this arc, it felt like Star Wars again
100% agree, it was all part of the lesson, if he wanted to kill her he would have. He needed to push her to let go of her fear and that’s exactly what she did. She became stronger in the force and conquered the dark within. That’s exactly what he was trying to teach her.
Anakin was 100% training her. You don't just go all out and wreck someone you're teaching. He wasn't trying to kill her and he met his goal, she learned what he wanted her to learn and overcame what he wanted her to overcome.
Imagine if he just beat the shit out of her and said TADA you suck. hahaha
Right he is not trying to kill her, just test her
🤣🤣 Exactly. Can you imagine?
"Alright, so the only way you are going to learn how to fight is if you let me beat the sh*t out of you and learn some of my moves while I do it."
Ahsoka was fighting Anakin, Anakin was NOT fighting Ahsoka.
I agree with you, never saw it as Anakin simply losing. Just teaching her a lesson 💯
Anakin gave Ahsoka hope. That positive energy that no matter what things will be ok.
He lost like an older sibling "loses" playing video games with the younger one.
Not my siblings kicked my ass every time 😂
I balance this by kicking her ass once or twice then let her win on the third try, then mix it up
This was, of course, until she became a proper gamer herself, and then we can go at it for real
@@thereaperofthehiddenmist6914gotta teach em the hard way 😂
@@mrcheese5383 I got my revenge tho! Then he just beat me up 😂
Completely agree. Fans get mad about almost anything. He states at the beginning its her training. You can see during the fight scenes Anakin pauses briefly after each attack, giving her time to reset. Dark Side Anakin/Vader didnt give opponents any opportunity he went straight for the kill.
Exactly! He says he wants to finish her training
I still love the scene in Rebels when as Darth Vader he notices Ahsoka, after he defeats an entire squadron.
When he says, "The apprentice lives!" as he sends a mind blast to her that overwhelmes her, and causes her to pass out 😮 😎
In the third live-action Kenshin movie, Kenshin’s master did literally the exact same thing. The difference being I think he might actually have killed Kenshin had he not learned his lesson, but nonetheless, he did learn to value his own life so that he could protect others all the more. It’s a great lesson and a great way of teaching it.
I think that Anakin, as the chosen one, understood THE BALANCE in the force. Meaning that he can use the LIGHT as well as the DARK SIDE as he pleases. So he used this knowledge to give Ahsoka the leasson she needed.
I thought it was established by Lucas that balance required the elimination of the dark side. Don’t get me wrong I prefer the idea of balancing both
@@mrcheese5383well he did technically eliminate the dark side and bring balance when he destroyed Sidious, in theory, in which case this would have made sense. I will admit to myself that the lore has become very confusing in execution.
@@mrcheese5383Lucas has cotradicted himself a lot of times dont take his words at face value, even more when disney is the one calling the shots now.
You can't beat someone who isn't fighting to win. Honestly, these "fans" will make up the dumbest stuff just so they can hate. He was literally trying to get her to snap out of her slouch, become hopeful again, and choose to live. Saying she beat Anakin is like saying a student beat the math teacher because he got the answer that the teacher has been teaching, and borderline hinting at, correct.
The stupendous wave did an amazing video on Anakins fighting in this episode. Basically explaining that he perfectly mastered form 5 and is the perfect balance between Anakin and Vader. He made peace with himself and perfectly embodied both the light and the dark and showed why he truly was the chosen one.
While I believe ahsoka beat Anakin by surprising him, he definitely wasn’t going full out, but he would have killed her if he couldn’t get this lesson across.
I also think that the first duel between her and Anakin was to show she didn’t need help with her dueling, but her will. She showed to have comparable dueling abilities, but when Anakin goes Vader mode, he forces her to fight and make a choice or he will. Ultimately when she does, you can see that Anakin let up and was clearly holding back in Vader mode.
Anakin was training her , so was holding back. You could see that in every move. It was more a sparring session than an actual duel
If someone genuinely think Ahsoka would beat a full potential Anakin that isn't holding back you're tripping
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Why can’t people just enjoy the scene and the message it’s portraying - instead of arguing over power levels and ‘person x would never lose to person y’, they completely miss the point of these stories🤦
@@Elphin89 saaaaame I knew this would happen by having him there but god it's so annoying. Not to mention, people seem to be missing the entire point of BEING a mentor is so that you can pass all you know, and so that your student can be BETTER than you. There's no greater joy than that.
@@TheRibottoStudios don’t you know women can’t be more powerful then men 🙄
@@PHANTUMDUMPER so Finn is stronger than Ahsoka?
Anakins destiny as the chosen one was always to become Vader. Jedis underestimated what the Chosen Ones path was supposed to look like. Go to dark side and then to be redeemed and rise above it. Like it was shown in Ahsoka series, he has now the balance between light and dark, so he was the chosen one all along.
I originally thought Anakin was toying with Ahsoka, and I knew it just by how the first part of the fight was. Great video Theory, you explained it perfectly.
Dude, I’m loving your mentality behind this episode, cuz despite your feelings about how the sequels failed in many ways, you’re not afraid to be fair with this episode and seeing the good parts about it, for me it was my favorite thing to see since I finished Clone Wars, and I already knew that Anakin was fully aware and in control of the situation and was just training Ashoka, cuz that’s Anakin from Clone Wars for me.
LOL I love how people say the episode failed. Errr how did it fail? Did it cause you to want to commit dastardly acts and just become a bad person? Give yourself a break. That's all Anakin was trying to show Ashoka.
Yet he still trashed on Andor because it had no cameos or lightsabers.
The sequels failed due to corporate wokeness.
@@AshMCM they failed due to corporate boardroom storytelling and a lack of planning. Y'all just throw 'woke' around when you don't like something but it's pretty obvious the problem was they had no idea what they wanted to do with the movies and characters
@@k--music that as well
Nobody understands the lesson he was teaching her
At this point, taking him as Anakin in the world between worlds, you literally couldn't beat him. He's literally part of the cosmic force. He knows yours moves perfectly.
I loved this episode. The way anakin used both his ep3 lightsaber form and the form of vader and combined them together was so good to watch. He has become the true master and is at peace with himself as both anakin and vader
Speaking out of universe, can we all appreciate how goddamn good Hayden still is at the choreography? I generally thought the choreography has been among the best in the Disneyverse so far, before this episode, but Hayden just took it next level
Me when I don’t understand Star Wars or how a teacher student relationship works
I think even Ashoka herself does not think she beat Anakin, she has to know.
When she was fighting Maul she even said that Maul wouldn't last long against Anakin, and in the episode itself she acknowledges how powerful and dangerous he was/is
Yes, I don't think Anakin was trying to hurt Ahsoka, but also Ahsoka vs Maul is not peak Ahsoka. Peak Ahsoka is arguably now, without the despair that she had been carrying.
Maul told Ahsoka that Anikin was Sidious’s apprentice, also, this was after she left the order so she said nothing to the council, because Windu called her citizen, (He was )
Pissed coz she wouldn’t go back
To the order, even though he disagreed with them using Jedi for warfare…….PRICK!
@@thoughtful1233peak or not Ahsoka still gets her ass cheeks clapped in a serious fight with Anakin, Luke, even Count Dooku, and Obi-Wan Kenobi would clap.
@@slapyoulikeimconnery55 According to rule 34 Ahsoka always gets her ass cheeks clapped.
@@slapyoulikeimconnery55 With this Anakin I agree, all the others I disagree. That's my personal preference, though I think the Rebels writers would agree with me. In my canon, prime Ahsoka is second only to Vader and Palps. But you are free to think otherwise.
This form of Anakin is probably the strongest force user than we ever seen in Star Wars.
He’s not only giving her a lesson, he’s literally making her fight to stay alive. He’s forcing her to tap as far into her force abilities for survival that she can, so that she doesn’t drown.
Remember that when Jedi are deep into battle focus, their heart rate and breathing slow way down. Since she was knocked out and nearly dead he had to push her into that mode by making her relive some of the most traumatic times of her life and making her fight to live, while also teaching a lesson that she will have to tap into the dark side in order to defeat these enemies that she is facing.
Anakin: Began the whole thing expressly telling her that he has more to teach her and complete her training
People: SHE DEFEATED HIM
I wonder if people are really watching the same show as everybody else.
Something else I found quite interesting is that Anakin can now tap on both of his sides almost at will, truly standing balanced between the two sides of the Force.
The lesson Anakin was teaching her was that if you tap into the Dark Side, you can beat anyone. But once you’re down that path, it’s really hard to break. She’s angry at him for turning himself. She harbors guilt for it, like she’s solely responsible for his actions. What he got mad about was that, no, his actions were his own and he did own them. That’s why he said they were going back to the beginning. Then Anakin as Vader dominated her, to the point her only perceived option was to use the dark side herself. And much like Luke, once she had “defeated” him, she said no to the dark side and threw the saber away. That’s why Anakin said there was hope for her yet. That same feeling must have been coursing through his mind when he saw Luke show him mercy. Cause whether they want to admit it or not, Anakin and Ahsoka are deeper than most Masters/Padawans. They loved one another. If anything Anakin sees her as a little sister, not just as his apprentice.
GOAT mode Anakin: So, Ahsoka here’s my final lesson to you.
Ahsoka: What lesson?
I think people need to keep in mind that Anakin's swordmanship actually makes sense. Anakin and Vader are now one, which means he's a master with his saber now. He's mastered both sides of the force. You also notice he throws Ahsoka off balance while fighting just by pushing his saber against her, which is also a new fighting style for him, it seems like. Also, Vader learned to have to fight more defensive and slow to protect his weaknesses, and I think he learned to do that after Kenobi when he wasn't on guard when Obi-wan started destroying his life support. I'm glad they gave us a tease of his Nick Gillard swordsmanship with his lil spinny spinnys but his swordmanship looks fluid and perfect now and it's pretty interesting finally seeing a live action present day Anakin/Vader after he has come to terms with himself and that the reason he had to give Ahsoka one last lesson was because she had to come to terms with that as well.
People who believe she beat him clearly have a form of mental affliction
Yes. It’s called PTSD
Either that, or they're just unbelievably ignorant. Watch them be furious at the way the characters breathe next time lol. I hardly even count them as fans, just terminally online trolls.
Most never even saw it I bet, they are getting this BS from some on YT whose whole money making shtick $ on YT is to push negativity about everything, the terrible sequels and stuff like Obi-Wan gave them a market to thrive sadly.
@@___von___7377 Ignorance comes from fans and creators alike, and nowhere is that better exemplified than Star Wars. That being said I can not fault fans for believing that Disney wants to portray a female character as more powerful than one of the most powerful male characters in the Star Wars universe. We’ve been seeing it all over fiction, in a thousand different franchises these last few years, so how can you truly blame them for the knee jerk reaction here? Rey exists.
@@deanfirnatine7814 Wait…you just named 4 bad flagship Star Wars projects that failed, and you’re wondering why there’s so much negativity? If you went to a restaurant and were treated poorly just that one time, you’d probably never go back again. There seriously needs to be some balance in all of this. I’m with you in the thought that some people just want to push negativity, but we can’t sit here and pretend like Star Wars ran by Disney hasn’t earned it. Yes, the fandom can be toxic, but that door swings both ways.
Exactly. I have been explaining to my more cynical groups that don't know much about REBELS that the primary drive of all these ladies in this narrative is that they respect the MEN that sacrificed themselves to save them. They want to honor those that died, save those that were banished, and raise up those that remain with strength and honor.
Not to mention my new favorite X-WING pilot is not depicted with any disrespect whatsoever. These are women that appreciate the good men around them, and understand the danger of the dangerous man that is coming...
Not to mention: Anakin is AWESOME
I’ve been a long time OT and PT fan and I honestly love what Dave is doing in Ahsoka. Must have watched episodes 4 and 5 10 times already
You must be the guy inflating the viewership stats that Disney keeps citing.
I like that there bringing nuance back to lightsaber duels
Clearly he wasn’t trying to kill her. You can tell at the end when he started swinging slower and she ducked and got behind him and then he slowly turned around and then slowly swung again and the grabbed his saber. That was extremely slow for the chosen one. He was testing Ahsoka.
Was it "clear" or was the choreography lacking in the force!? 😅
@@elderlynahum7663 It’s Disney so it could be either. All I know is Anakin is more powerful now than he ever was before as a Jedi or Sith.
I do really wish they hadn't done it that way. I don't think Anakin's mechanized grip is known for being all that flimsy. There are better ways they could have done it. Unless they wanted to start this argument online, which is possible. I mean, why else would they have named the inquisitor dude "Marrok"? Could be oversight too, I suppose. Imagine Dave Filoni laughing to himself saying "I forgot all about Starkiller's name!"
He pushed her and pushed her until she finally accepted her desire to live, and didnt go any further. Any intensity in his fighting was just to convince Ahsoka to get off the sidelines.
I think people are missing the dark side moment for asoka too, where she feels the rage and uses it to beat Anakin and then learns to LET IT GO. The thing anakin couldnt do. I saw that as the training Anakin was talking about, if she can deflect a swing from anakin and use her rage to beat him then she will be more prepared for skroll next time they meet, and not have to fear the pull of the dark side.
He truly is the balance now- and that’s what he was teaching her- balance.
USE the darkside. Dont let it consume you. Anakin has achieved that and is teaching ahsoka the same.
I can't believe that even had to be explained lol. Anakin wanted to push her to her limits so that she could see herself from a certain distance and realize that she wants to live. Such a beautiful thing and there's a lot more to it. I can't believe people think an Anakin that can switch to Darth Vader with a blink, showing that he's so much in control and very powerful(it even seems like that was the force, I honestly think it's very mysterious and I LOVE that), would lose to an Ahsoka dealing with confusing emotions for seeing her master again after many years and dealing with all the other stuff about Ezra, Sabine, etc.
Ahsoka defeated death, but she actually defeated her own death and that's exactly what he wanted to see. Now she's joyful, hopeful and full of life.
I got a similar joyfulness feeling I got from Luke in A New Hope when I realized she did in fact change after that lesson with Anakin.
Also knowing how much Filoni respects and I dare to say he even loves George Lucas, he wouldn't just ignore reality and act as if Ahsoka could beat Anakin's *ss at that moment without him wanting that to "happen".
Okay if Dave really did the gray to white thing on purpose that is dope. Also, I never thought for a minute that Anakin was actually going full speed on ahsoka. I thought the entire time that it was a training exercise and that's what the whole thing was. I have no idea how people could have misunderstood this.
You are 100% correct. He’s teaching her to live and forget the past and move forward.
Thank you!! This reminds me of Clone Wars Siege of Mandalore when everyone thought Ahsoka beat Maul in a fight... Maul didn't want to kill Ahsoka, he wanted her to join him in taking down the Sith. I thought it was very obvious here what Anakin was doing in teaching Ahsoka a lesson but it seems that people just think the "winner" of a fight means they are stronger.
Loved this explanation.
The lesson was not about winning or losing.
It is about what you choose to do with the life that you have.
Except that there's no good context for the lesson in the story. There's no reason for this lesson to be had. Moreover, it's not the real Anakin, it's just a vision.
@@rpgadventurer32so Ahsoka acting kinda depressed, only caring about finding Thrawn, to the point Ezra is an afterthought, that wasn’t in the show? She’s been acting off the whole time, literally lost a fight she could have won, and saw her Padawan about to be captured (possibly killed) adding another person to her guilty conscience, but sure no context.
@@rpgadventurer32 It is real anakin, cope
@rpgadventurer32 if its a vision how come jacen could here them fighting in wbw?
“Is that what this is about” to me most people are missing how deep this EP goes.
This why people should pay more attention in basic English literature class
I think you are 100% right Anakin recognizes that she needs to have faith in herself because she really hasn’t had that much since she left the order. In this way he takes the form of all of her insecurities and emotions as well as let’s her get her emotions out on him for his decision to turn to the dark side
You know it's a good scene for Dave felony when the audience has to explain to other audience members and then through committee, they come up with an explanation that makes the 10's of rebels fans happy.
Truly stunning and brave.
Young Ahsoka looked like they did some training. That should be a lesson for the older actresses.
You know its a good scene when %95 of the audience gets it but is supportive enough to explain it to the small group that have a myopic view for whatever the reason. It's happened to all of us at some point in life, where you are in a group of people who seem to understand a problem or get a joke and you just can't seem to figure it out even though you know you aren't stupid. It's when your stubborn defiant pride refuses to come to terms with the fact that you just didn't "get it" that myopic becomes obstinance.
@@MagicstormXL 95% of the audience? You, like Dave felony seem to over-estimate the reach of a show aimed at the very small number of star wars fans who watched and liked clone wars and then went on to watch and like rebels.
Similar to JJ and Ruin needing unsellable books to explain what we were supposed to get out of the sequel trilogy.
@@MagicstormXL or maybe you meant .95%
Totally agree. The whole thing happened because when Baylan Skoll said that her legacy was the same as her master (he knew Anakin was Darth Vader) she believed it: it was the very self doubt and guilt that haunted her. Then at that final fight with Anakin/Darth Vader (he was both simultaneously) she had the choice of following that path of death and destruction, but she rejected, threw it out with that light saber; she decided on the path of life….it was perfect
The outcome of Ashoka's final lesson once again proves that DF Knows how to tell a great story. Ashoka wasn't battling her master, but herself, her trauma and her self blame. She blamed herself that Anakin turned to the Dark side because she had left but Anakin gave her the final lesson she needed to finally gain closure and to let go. I think now with this new peace in her mind, she'll be a better teacher to Sabine.
Ahsoka got the best training montage since Rocky.
Obi-Wan said strike me down and I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine. Anakin is literally a force ghost 😂 The fact that people don’t get the life lesson Anakin was trying to teach shows how clueless these people are. Fantastic episode of a Master still mentoring his student no matter their age.
He only tested her :/
Yeah, Anakin was trying to teach her something... to live. He never had the intention to kill her. If he went all out, like Revenge of the Sith all-out, he would've decimated her in the first fight. There was nothing woke about her winning. It was about him teaching her. It actually has shown how much more wise he is now.
It's like teaching your own kid basketball or something... in order for them to grow and improve, at some point, you have to let them win so that they can gain confidence... they can't gain confidence by getting destroyed. But of course deep down, you could've easily defeated your own kid if you wanted to... but what's the point of that??
People saying this is prime Anakin clearly wouldn't be able to process him at his actual full potential. 😂
Can I just add, for balance, that Anakin was Mansplaining the balance of the force to Ahsoka lol you know just for balance 😂
This episode had me crying. It finally felt like star wars. The flash back scene was amazing. 😭ot brought me back to watching the clone wars
The people who are upset that Ahsoka “beat Anakin” seem to not understand that lightsaber fights aren’t just about the fights. It’s about what they’re fighting for. This isn’t Ahsoka fighting Anakin. This is Ahsoka fighting the demons that have plagued her her whole life, and finally conquering them in the end.
I doubt they are even fans, just terminally online Twitter users
@@___von___7377oh its on youtube not just Twitter it just depends on the who you go to. Some will influence folks to hate it some to love it or some just decided to just give up.
@@QuiGonJinn1993 Yeah, social media in general, which I feel has really dumbed down certain parts of the fanbase. The ones constantly believing clickbait bs and not being able to form their own critical thinking.
All that needs to be said about that lesson is she went from telling Sabine that she needs to be ready to give up on Ezra to telling Hera "I'll find them, I promise"
I strongly think that the part where Anakin can be heard saying "You won't be fighting drois this time" is a reference to "Practice makes perfect" and might be Anakin's way of reminding Ahsoka of her intense training with the 501st, to empower her to win a very hard fight... Just my 2 cents...
It’s so painfully on the nose that he was giving her a lesson on how she needs to change her view on life, such a great ep and and even better show, so exited to binge when it’s all out
People forget that Vader beat Ahsoka in Rebels too. It was believed she had died until Ezra saved her by travelling back through the world between worlds.
There was no way Anakin was giving 100%. The lesson he was giving was to simply LIVE, hence why he states at the beginning 'you lost the fight' and if Ahsoka doesn't fight she will die. Ahsoka's fear from past events with Anakin (joining the darkside & becoming Vader) were holding her back until Anakin himself confronts her using the darkside (What do you want? Do you want me to be more serious?). When Ahsoka threw Anakin's lightsaber away without succumbing to the darkside herself, she essentially overcome her fear (from grey to white). Therefore, Anakin's lesson was learnt.
'Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger; anger leads to hate; hate leads to suffering.' Confronting fear is the destiny of a Jedi, it's not the absence of fear that makes a Jedi but emerging from them that makes them better.
In simplest terms: If Anakin was trying to kill Ahsoka, he would have Force choked her.
Anakin's whole point was teaching Ahsoka one final lesson.
I assumed he was trying to teach her that it’s okay to be emotional it’s gonna help you survive without it you’ll die . But you can’t let those emotions take control of you . She succeeded in not letting those emotions control her with the shifting back to normal eyes .
His stated purpose was to "complete her training". The real thing to notice is Anakin has ascended to the role of the Father of Mortis (as he was supposed to) Ashoka is the incarnation of the Ashla/daughter....now we only need an incarnation/embodiment of 'the son' of Mortis to be revealed. The new pantheon.
That’s the question that I ponder, who will become The Son?
Thrawn has to be the son of mortis
Well the only thing is the son never died, he’s still alive. He even moved in the mural of the Mortis family
I think the biggest thing is that it isn't rots Ani. It's post rotj Ani. Where he finally has that balance. He is now the master of both light and dark. He's in control. Rots Ani would've been ruthless. Post rotj Ani is less selfish. He cares more now about helping ahsoka than he does about saving padme, or losing his mother, being betrayed by the jedi, etc.
Hayden looks so natural swinging a light saber these days. You can tell he’s got way more experience than her.
EXACTAMUNDO THEORY! Anakin was training/testing and helping Ahsoka. You can see in his smirk and saying "there's hope for you, yet" that he is truly proud of her.
Its a training session, a lesson to ashoka. Hes not gonna kill ashoka if hes teaching her a lesson.
the whole thing was a lesson. was never his intention to kill her but to show her that she has the choice to live without resentment and fear of herself and her past. or she could choose to let all that be the death of her. even when he attacked her as Vader that was testing her fears. giving her an opportunity to show herself that she can make better choices than he did and that his legacy does not affect hers and should not force her to fear herself.
remember, as much as that looked like Knightfall Vader (and i love that alias btw) it actually isnt Vader at all technically. its still Anakin at this point, but hes in full control of his darkside now he has reached his full potential within the cosmic force. its beautiful, it really is.
He allowed her to disarm him, Anakin wanted her to have the upper hand to have that control that power to take his life, it was a test, it wouldn’t have been much of a test if he just wrecked her, he got her exactly where she needed to be, just like how he pushed her to the dead end so he could cut the path letting her fall, he disarmed both of her sabers so damn easily, he wanted to present her with the opportunity to give in to the anger, the guilt, the trauma, and she chose not to give in, to let go of all of those negative feeling.He knew he could push her to the absolute edge by becoming darth vader, which basically says “look what I’ve become” strike me down in your anger.. he knows more than anyone what this can do, he watched his own son do the same thing…he knew exactly what he was doing
I felt that at times Anakin was purposely fighting, at times, similar to Balen Skol, teaching her how to use his overpowered swings against him. Its a way to rebuild her confidence after a loss that should have very well taken her life if not for the Force saving her. I dont know if you saw some of these elements being woven into the lesson as well @StarWarsTheory?
That's a great catch
@@ichiban308 I just was looking at it and kept seeing similarities in the styles. Like when he forced pushed Ashokas sabers down, just as Balen did. Big looping power swings much the same. He still had the Anakin flare but seems to me he used a specific style on purpose.
I haven't seen a lot of the Clone Wars but enough that I was excited to see a live action Ahsoka. I hoped they'd bring Hayden back and he would be a part of it. Hearing Hayden call Ahsoka Snips made my inner SW self smile. 😁
There is not too many things that are as difficult in our lives than to learn some harsh truths and lessons about ourselves in order to come to better conclusions, make better plans and goals and to become unstuck from past experiences and unhelpful thoughts. Being a Therapist I don't just sit in a room telling people nice things about themselves, I have to gauge their subjective unit of distress and challenge them a little at a pace that causes some discomfort but not enough that causes too much pain. Anakin couldn't get Ahsoka unstuck from her guilt and depression without getting her a little fired up but not too much as to have her shut down and not want to listen. We are dealing with Force Ghost Anakin, he has mastered his "Dark side" brought balance to how he can wield both. When Ashoka got the upper hand that was the "Light Bulb" moment Anakin's method of therapy worked. I know when I see that light bulb moment with a client I can feel a little smile develop on my face 😉. No one wants a therapist to go 100% discourse. Trust me, the dark side of therapy can lead to pathways and abilities that some would consider unnatural 🤯😵💫
He wasn’t even fighting her for real. He was trying to inspire her. Like a good master/mentor would.
Dave has done a FANTASTIC job, written by a true fan FOR the fans.
I really didn’t think this would be a thing lmao, if you think she beat him then you never had a mentor. He was trying to teach her not hurt her. Ppl are just wanting to complain. Beautiful episode. Great breakdown brother
I’ve really enjoyed this series so far. This version of Anikan was a teacher trying to teach his student a lesson. I agree with your take 100%. What lesson does Ahsoka learn if Anikan mows her down & cuts her in two? Woke!? LOL Some people are trolls… Trolls gotta troll. 😂
You do know it wasn't an actual light saber fight it was symbolic... Anakin has 100% control of his mortis father self and the realm he's now in control of, all to teach a lesson...
Star Wars fans seem to have stopped looking for the lessons in Star Wars. Overcome by the optics of it, we get caught up on “WHO WOULD BEAT WHO?”-Even in cases like this where it’s not a real battle. It’s all in the force.