Anakin Didn't Pull Ahsoka into the World Between Worlds...So Who Did?
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- Someone had to pull Ahsoka into the world between worlds? Or did she really fully die and went there to continue her path into the next realm?
I think the daughter saved her, not Anakin.
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In Star Wars The clone Wars, The father tells Anakin: "I am so much more and so are you"
In this latest episode, Anakin tells Ahsoka " You are more than that, I am more than that"
Its pretty obvious what Anakin has become. I do think it was him.
In Rebels?
Sorry clone wars, fixed it @@arandominternetuser9099
@@arandominternetuser9099No in the Mortis arc in the Clone Wars.
He was saying he is more then a legacy of war but good job taking stuff out of context
@@mitsuzuneDude did you get a bad grade on your last essay or something hahah. You do not seem to be much for interpretations.
Obi Wan did say in “A New Hope” to Vader that “if you strike me down, I will become more powerful than you could imagine.” So you definitely could say you become stronger as you die so long you become part of the force.
I was literally typing this same statement out before I read your comment. I completely agree!
Maybe Anakin made Ahsoka fight to live because Padme didn’t. She lost her will to live and Ahsoka almost did too. The will to live through crazy circumstances seems to be a reoccurring theme in Star Wars.
Ahsoka never lost her will to live she just lost a fight what are you talking about
@@mitsuzune you failed to read between the lines. I don’t think she wanted to die but she did not want to fight for a reason. Anakin told her if you don’t fight you will die. She had willingly fight in the end in order to live without losing anymore hope behind what happen to her in the past.
@@KingMcElvy I’m assuming you meant I failed to read between the lines? And you just disproved your own point you started off saying that Ashoka lost the will to live and now your saying she is fighting to live you need to write better and learn how to explain better too because you just proved yourself wrong
You become a vagrant. Lost without a home or purpose. You are at risk and vulnerable.
Yes!
I have to disagree. Anakin pulling Ahsoka into the World Between Worlds as he is now an all powerful being, a fully fledged chosen one is what I want the most. If it was someone else, then it kinda damages their scene.
Agreed, if anakin didnt pull her in, then she would've "somehow" managed to survive underwater for a long time unconscious without drowning, which doesnt make sense.
When he says “didn’t expect to see you soon” it could mean he knows her fate and when he’ll meet her again, and she surprised him by dying/getting saved by someone sooner
or how about just a simple force vision… like how Cal Kestis saw his master during the train scene in fallen order?
@@LinoGuzman Doesn't explain how Jacen was able to hear them and (somehow) even Hera. This version of ANakin also had knowledge of things that had happened up to the point of his death, so it was definitely Anakin. As for if it was just a vision still, problem with it just being spiritual or a vision/dream is her body surviving unconscious underwater for who knows how long, its not like she was only down there a few minutes.
@@Littlecowardgaming bro it’s Star Wars. It’s fiction. She’s a force user.. it’s a vision get over yourself
The Force itself is arguably sentient, so it probably pulled Ahsoka in the World Between Worlds
Hmm no. You might bend it but you are enslaved to the force.
Dead wrong its not sentient
Its random
@@mertc8050 If it is random why would it seek to be balanced and form the chosen one?
@@mertc8050it is sentient, when plagueis and palpatine were manipulating midicholorians and bending the fabric of the force itself, the force retaliated and created a chosen one to destroy the banite sith.
@@mertc8050if it’s random, then why do people keep referring to the “will” of the force.
If something has a “will”, then it doesn’t act randomly, but with purpose and intention
While Ahoska's connection to the daughter through the owl is a possibility, there are reasons why it might have been Anakin. I'm not saying Anakin literally pulled her in as Ezra did previously, but may have opened a portal through the force, allowing her to be transferred to there. Anakin told her "Trust me, you lost", in regards to her fight with Baylon. Seems Anakin was viewing what was happening to her in that moment prior. She was pulled in not long after falling into the water, and it seems a portal was opened in the water and probably remained open during all of Ahsoka's experience, allowing Jacen to sense and hear their light saber dual. Anakin also controlled where they went more than once within the world between worlds, breaking the pathway with his lightsaber and seemingly sending them both into a portal to re-experience the first Clone Wars scene. From the Siege of Mandalore scene, he ushers her back into the world between worlds also. After Anakin says "There's hope for you yet", if you notice in that moment, he looks up toward the distance as it seems a sound is coming from the surface of the water. Right then is when Ahsoka turns to look toward the noise too, and when she turns back around, Anakin has vanished. Immediately after that, she is transferred once again into the water, and then rescued. He did greet her at the end of episode 4 with "I didn't expect to see you so soon", but that could have referred to the timing, not necessarily the location.
Except that Anakin was surprised to see her. Everything you said seems right. But Anakin did not initiate the portal
@@tommymccann2640 could’ve meant that he was surprised she had been defeated and was about to die
@hdmb9180 It's possible. But I feel like the episode was more about Ashoka needing Anakin's final lesson than his physical protection.
@@tommymccann2640 I don’t see those 2 things as conflicting. He pulled her through to save her because she lost the duel and had lost the fight and drive inside herself to carry on. Then he gives her his final lesson that she’s part of a greater legacy than death and destruction and that she has to be carry on to save the galaxy as that is who she really is, much the same as Anakin.
@@hdmb9180I agree. It’s also interesting to think that it could’ve been something to do with the choices ahsoka makes. In the wbw you’re able to see different outcomes from diverging paths. Maybe anakin was seeing the ways her life played out, and figured “nope, you made the wrong choice here, let’s show her where she went wrong and try again”.
One of those wrong choices being alluded to when huyang says “I told them to stay together but they didn’t listen. They never listen”. Leaving Anakin alone-debatably wrong choice.
Abandoning Sabine-Wrong choice.
Splitting from Sabine in the forest-wrong choice.
Since rebels we’ve seen her kinda give up multiple times and become this kind of hope-less character. And anakin had to pull her in to remind her not to quit on herself or others
It's possible that she wasn't physically there at all and was in the water all along. If anyone pulled her into it, they would have done it before she ended up in the sea. I mean she literally turned young and old again, nothing in there happened physically. Could have been a Near Death Experience and maybe due to the connection with the Daughter she got a glimpse into that world to see Anakin. Also it would explain the lack of any portals, can't go through them if you're not even really there. Plus "I didn't expect to see you so soon" very much sounds like he didn't think she would die so soon, since it's not her time to go yet
The fact Jacen could hear Ashoka and Annakins light sabres clashing to me says she was actually there. And surely she would have drowned by being in the sea for so long?
When Ahsoka is pulled out of the water, both her lightsabers are neatly attached to her belt. Which mirrors exactly her appearance right before she melds into the waters in the World Between Worlds.
In the real world, Ahsoka was holding one of the lightsabers when she fell. I do not think that putting it back onto her belt before hitting the water and losing conciousness would be the highest priority. It is much more likely that during her fall she somehow slipped into the World Between Worlds physically.
@@toomaskaskbut she also lost both her sabers in the world between worlds, which indicates she wasn't actually there.
@@bilbobeutlin3319 We can't say anything for sure. If you look at her outfit in the moments before Ahsoka melds with the water in the world between worlds, then you'll see that her lightsabers are already on her belt, exactly as she appears when she's pulled out of the water. How she gets them back in the world between the worlds is unclear.
In my opinion it is just much less likely that she puts her lightsaber back on her belt while she is falling.
Personally I don’t think Ahsoka was physically in the wbw the way she was in Rebels when Ezra pulled her in. I think she was in a deep, coma like, meditative state. So she entered the wbw through her mind and her encounter with Anakin was happening inside her head. So she wasn’t physically there but it was more like what happens to Harry Potter when he talks to the dead Dumbledore. It’s happening inside her head but it’s real. And I figured the transition at the end to her being in the water is kind of like her subconscious waking up when her physical body was actually in the water. Like when your sleeping and you dream that you need to pee which is signaling that you really do need to pee 😂. I also don’t think she was dead or dying but rather just forced into a coma like state.
Facts… there also weren’t any gates in there, just paths.
@@addamriley5452filoni has already said wbw looks different for everyone so there doesn’t need to be portals
I don’t think it was in her head otherwise I don’t think jacen would be able to hear the sabers clashing
I am definitely on the spectrum that anakin pulled her in there, whether it was spiritually or physically is the question though. The problem with it being spiritually is that it doesnt really explain how her body didn't drown whilst submerged under water for what we can assume was quite a long time. Hard to guess the time, but seeing as she fell in the water, Sabine had her convo with baylan, they leave the planet, Hera arrives etc etc, its an insanely long time for a body to be unconcious underwater.
So my initial theory was anakin managed to pull her into the world between worlds due to her being near dead, which puts her body/spirit closer to the plane of the dead. Her body is temporarily pulled from the real world as we can see the water remerge once their "training" is complete, thus transporting her back to the waters where he had initially pulled her from.
I'd argue Anakin pulling her physically into the world makes somewhat more sense than just spiritually as it would be a bit of an asspull for them to suggest her body survives being underwater for that long without drowning.
Anakin was a Force vision here. But ultimately the cosmic force is the embodiment of everything. So the Ahsoka encounter with Anakin was a deeper encounter with her unconscious self and her spiritual connection with the force. She had to repudiate the teachings of her master, while fighting for her life and gaining moral clarity.
The Vader reference could be a coincidence, a nod to fans, or just the cosmic force speaking to Ahsoka with knowledge of all things.
Jacen is force sensitive and could tap into Ahsoka's mental dilemma. Reminds me of ESB when Yoda was sensing Luke's vision sequence in the cave on Dagobah as he sat nearby. Luke wasn't really fighting Vader but himself. The force revelation that he was connected to Vader. There was no such thing as WBW. That was recently added.
Ahsoka moment is similar but she ultimately defeats her demons by realizing the flawed teachings bestowed upon her by her master. She gains moral clarity. No WBW or Force ghost needed in this scenario.
but this is Disney and Filoni has introduced more wacky cartoon stuff so who knows.
I think the Anakin did pull Ahsoka in just to complete her training and teach her how to let go of her emotions and do what’s right. I do believe that the force has mind of its own but didn’t pull her into the World Between Worlds. Like if you agree or reply if you have a different opinion, I’m curious about everyone else thinks
Loving all of these uploads and discussions around Star Wars again! It really speaks volumes to this show and how it really appeals to the base of the fandom that has seen TCW, Rebels, read the Vader comics etc. GOATloni really came through for us all.
I think the world between worlds is like the spirit world in the last airbender. You can go there with your real body or with youre mind/spirit/soul. Dave Filoni worked on that show too so it wouldnt surprise me if he got some inspiration from that.
that makes perfect sense. but we still don't know whether Ahsoka really transported into the world between worlds physically and transported back to the sea physically or she really fell off the cliff but only her mind got transported to the world between worlds
Why are people assuming she had to be pulled in by someone? Ezra wasn’t pulled in, a portal opened and he walked in.
A portal probably opened up in the water.
There were no gates on there though. So it was most likely a mental/spiritual thing. A near death experience perse’…
exactly. it makes no sense that she had to be pulled in by someone to get access.
@@addamriley5452 Either way, my point is it’s never been said that you have to be pulled into the world between worlds by another person.
We’ve seen that happen literally ONCE, and Theory is acting like that’s the only way possible.
It’s also never been said that the only way to open a portal to the world between worlds is with that gate Ezra used. You’re just assuming that.
Some mortis leftover power allowed her to pass between the living and comic Force-
To be honest, I don't think we know all the rules about the World Between Worlds, so I don't think we can say we know a person "has to be pulled in" by someone already there. I think the WBW is a physical manifestation of the Force, and so I think it can do whatever it likes!
Have to agree with that. We just have too little information, could be that it is easier for someone to just slip into the World Between Worlds on their own when they have some affinity for that (like having been there already once).
Obi-wan just vanishing into thin air in A New Hope when Vader is about to strike him down now feels like very much the same thing, like he is taken into the World Between Worlds and physically leaves the real world.
Anakin cared about Ahsoka until his turn to Darth Vader. But I'd be surprised if it was Anakin because to teach her the lesson of her final training to move on from her past as well as to defeat Baylan and find Sabine. It's to also control his light and dark emotions to teach Ahsoka how to face both emotions as we saw in World Between Worlds. It could be a manifestation of the force after her fall from fighting Baylan.
He always cared about AHSOKA. He always cared about everyone. Anakin made a deal with devil and was trapped in that decision forever because of his injuries. That's why Luke was able to turn him back bc he was conflicted the whole time. He did horrible things but not because he liked doing them. Even when Anakin killed the tuscans he still cried and showed that he knows better And knew he should of been better. Anakin still loved all the people in his life but he was too far invested into the devil. He even still loved obi wan. Just had to kill him because his feelings for obi wan made him weaker and he couldn't let it go to advance into the dark side deeper because of those conflicts.
@@zh2kingThat's a great way to put it. Palpatine was the devil he made a deal with for his lust of power in order to save Padme's life and ever since then until Luke saved him, there was a bit of good in him but it all came down to the aspect of Vader taking over as he's what remains especially talking to Obi-Wan 10 years after Revenge Of The Sith and Anakin was killed.
@@isaiahvoss exactly and if you go off of the obi wan show, even when obi wan cut Anakin's face mask obi wan was crying and telling Anakin he's sorry for everything and it truly bothered Anakin to see him like that. That's why Anakin basically cleared obi wans conscience for him and told him he's not obi wans failure. He didn't kill Anakin, he did. So he basically was seeing how hurt obi wan was and even tho Anakin was trying hard to overcome his feelings for obi wan he couldn't. Obi wan was his father figure. And that's why he can't ever beat obi wan in a duel because he is sooo conflicted when it comes to obi wan. I just see that scene where obi wan was talking to him crying and still the fact that Anakin cared enough to clear obi wans conscience is just proof that he cared Soo much about him that he didn't even like seeing obi wan hurt like that. And even palpatine told him at the end of the episode that he can sense his conflict when it comes to obi wan. The story of Anakin is heartbreaking to me. Most people see him as a monster and this and that but I just see him as a person driven to the highest form of desperation and got into something WAAAAAY over his head and once he was in there was no way he could turn back. Especially after he got injured and in the shit bc in revenge of the sith he was already stronger than palpatine. Even told padme he would over throw him after he left mustafar....obi wan was literally the only person who could of beat Anakin because ONLY obi wan knew anakin weakness and his style of fighting to perfection. Even seeing Anakin crying on mustafar just speaks volumes to his regret. If you remember when padme pulled up he was crying staring out into the planet because I'm sure he had sooooo much regret for what he was getting into and what he had done. The AHSOKA show shows how good of a heart Anakin truly has underneath. His story is heartbreaking. And even after obi wan destroyed him and put him in the suit he still cared and still loved obi wan. It's just so sad.
I think she was drifting more towards the jedi path again, and Anakin showed her that being an unaligned force user would allow her to survive. She was reborn with a different alignment because the jedi path was not it 🤷♂️
My theory is that the WBWs is force limbo. Ahsoka died, and went through a test to come back to life. I think this is a test people rarely pass but the Force had more for her to do so that’s why she was able to pass. I think that was really Anakin there to help her pass that test, but I think most people who die don’t get a mentor to help them because of how few people became force ghosts.
In from a certain point of view ROTJ, Obi Wan basically meets Anakin in the WBWs and that’s how he teaches him to become a force ghost. Similar thing here
I noticed something nice I think. Palpatine lured Anakin into the Dark Side by telling him he could save Padmes life. He told him that Plagueis could keep the one he cared about from dying. I like the idea that Anakin in the afterlife can somehow do this, yet in a different kind of way
“If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.”
I wonder, would it be a problem to have the dead be THIS powerful?!
After all, Obi Wan said in a A New Hope: "if you strike me down, i become more powerful than you can possible imagen!"
Maybe they do indeed chill in the WBW and have the power to manipulate things, or stear em into the right path, like Obi Wan did with Luke and now Anakin with Ashoka it seems.
That planet was clearly a nexus point. There’s a reason it was chosen by whomever built it. That may also play a part
i LOVE that the topic on the fandom lips is LORE!!! finally
What’s up brother? Thank you for your commentary. I really enjoy it. So after your last several videos I’ve noticed that Anakin was teaching a lesson. Do you want to live or die. After the different battle scenarios, Ashoka chose to live. Therefore choosing the light. Even as she woke the light shined brightly upon her. Anakin was indeed teaching Ashoka to come out of the gray, choose life, or the light side of the force. And when have we ever seen Ashoka smile so much, let alone be so optimistic…when telling herra I’ll find them, I promise. Ashoka is on her way to returning to the Jedi full time. Another lesson from master to apprentice. I feel there will be more interactions with anakin and Ashoka. And Hayden being back is a bonus for us all. Jedi master Tano. Probably gonna see Ray and Ashoka coming to a screen near you.
Idk if I saw this mentioned, but she steps over a circular portal before anakin slices the bridge. Easy to miss it. And him saying “didn’t expect to see you so soon” meaning he already knows her fate possibly
The world between worlds gotta be just a purgatory as well
I think Anakin was there to help her "pass on" and become one with the force in the same way that Dumbledore was in that vision with Harry at the end of DH P2. Anakin asked her how much she remembered, and when she revealed that she remembered what happened, he said there was still hope for her to live.. and that's when the lesson began. I don't think she was "pulled in" but the WBW is a place where all Jedi go when they die. Some guy on tiktok was talking about this, and said Obi-Wan was probably there to guide Anakin when he died.
After he says “there’s hope for you yet” he glances up and off to the left before looking back at her and vanished
I dont think its Palpatine or the Son but the son could be related somehow because of Morei and Ahsoka..but I feel Anakin was Anakin based on dialogue alone
The Planet that she must been on might be a conduit to the force.
Not sure if it was you or someone else, but there is a scene in Ep 4 where Huyang walks out of the ship after Ashoka and Sabine are gone, and the camera view looked odd and up in the trees looking down. Perhaps it was a view from the Morai looking upon Huyang and their ship?
I truly think it’s her connection to the sister that got her there which also brings me to something I’ve been thinking about…we’ve never really explored the relationship between a force sensitive child at least from the parents side we’ve seen anakin with shmee but I think the only reason hera could hear the lightsabers is because jacen was making it so that she could hear what he was hearing anakin loved shmee more than anything but hera actually raised jacen and spent every day with him and with him full well knowing what’s in his blood where with Luke and at least his aunt and uncle they tried everything to hide it…been thinking about how this trickles down since Tuesday lol
Since when does someone have to pull someone into the World Between Worlds? How do you know the WBW isn't part of the afterlife or something akin to the DMT realm? No one pulled Ezra into the WBW, well, Yoda kind of did in his force vision at that Jedi temple, but then someone would have had to have pulled Yoda into it. It makes more sense that it can be accessed in multiple ways, such as meditation, ritual, death, maybe even substance use (and psychedelics are now canon because of Book Of Boba Fett when Boba snorted that sandpeople peyote lizard)
I’m surprised
Morai hasn’t showed up and they better do more explaining on how she go into the wbw!
Ahsoka has already been into the WBW, it may be that now she knows of its existence, that she may be able to enter it when needed. Even if she’s not consciously aware of that need. More open to it, so to speak.
Personally I feel there are different depths to the WBW, and in order to be able to alter the past/future you need to enter at a temple point with access to jump in or out . I don’t fully think Askoka was physically there as much as mentally there. If Anakin were to kill her I feel she would still have been found in the water(just not alive). I do believe she was in the world between worlds but I do not think it was technically the same place Ezra was. The place Ashoka went in episode 5 was more spiritual compared to Ezra’s experience that was more tangible
It has to be anakins force ghost that pulled her into the world between worlds. Either the black robes were fan service or because he looked like that the last time she saw well anakin. which is why all the clone wars stuff was a force vision as Force ghost are capable of such things
What if Ezra did it
That would be an interesting twist. I've been wondering, since Sabine's "dream" she awoke from on Lothal, was Ezra speaking to her, just as Thrawn was "calling" to Morgan Elsbeth? Maybe it's fate and destiny that Sabine was supposed to venture to the galaxy that Ezra was sent to 10 years earlier, because Ezra needs her for his overall mission, which would thwart Thrawn and whatever new threats exist in The New Beyond.
I think it’s cause she’s at the Stonehenge-like location like a temple that has a portal door like the one on Lothal. The temple was probably built there because there is a doorway there
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Maybe since she had been to the WBW before, it allowed her in when she came very close to death.
No one has to pull her in, she went there herself.
Being pulled into the world between worlds is not the only way to get there. Ezra discovered the world between worlds through the portal on Lothal. The world between worlds is such a complex place and we still don't know so much about how the place functions. Narrowing it down to Ahsoka having to be pulled in by someone else in order to get there doesn't make sense.
Obi-Wan Kenobi did say if you strike me down I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine. So maybe force ghost are super powerful
I was thinking that Ahsoka didn't quite get pulled into the World Between Worlds, but she was pulled into something akin to what happened to Kanan in the Jedi temple on Lothal. Much like Kanan, it was the will of the force that Ahsoka finally let go of her baggage about Anakin and continue her journey. Whether that actually was Anakin and the World Between Worlds is irrelevant; it was the exact person and place that Ahsoka needed to see and hear to fully drive home the lesson.
And since Star Wars be Star Wars, this important personal milestone had to be achieved through a flashy lightsaber fight.
In the very first Star Wars movie released (Pt 4 - A New Hope), Obi-Wan told Vader, "You can't win Darth. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine." Since Anakin also somehow learned to keep his consciousness intact after death (force ghost at minimum), it would make sense that Anakin had the power to pull Ahsoka into the WBW at just the right moment. I think Anakin the the most likely given a choice between him, Morai, or the Daughter. Just mho.
A theory I've heard and I agree with is it's kind of like a limbo between life and death and since she was on the brink of death she was pulled in on a certain level
No one pulled her into the world between worlds… she was drowning and had a dream about her old teacher. It’s why she was able to beat him twice, during her fever dream.
In the back of my mind I can’t shake the feeling that Ezra will be dark side when they find him. After episode 4/5 we’ve seen a total of three people in the WBW. If Anakin is linked to the father and Ahsoka is linked to the daughter Ezra could be linked to the son.
Is Ahsoka considered a sequel to rebels/clone wars, or is Dave bringing elements of those shows into the Star Wars live action canon? Does Ahsoka remember being in the World Between Worlds and were supposed to know that all those events happened? Wondering because if it is then she has already been brought back to life by the daughter and has her essence or whatever in her.
What did Obi Wan say to Darth Vader on the death star?
"Strike me down and I will become more powerful than you could ever imagine."
Those that are powerful enough to become force ghosts will get even more powerful. Obi Wan chose not to show much of his power afterwards - that's how he rolls.
Now imagine what that means for Anakin - one of if not the most powerful Jedi to ever roam the universe, finally in balance.
That is a heeluva good theory SWT!! Great point!
See hayden back as anakin skywalker has been my biggest high note since Disney took the franchise.
Episode 5 with Anakin was truly epic!
There's already been a precedent set with A New Hope when Obi Wan tells Vader that if he strikes him down he shall become more powerful than he could possibly imagine. Showing up as a ghost and only being able to talk doesn't really fit that description. It would make sense that force users are more powerful when not constrained by any physical form
I think the simplest answer the show is giving us is that either she fell into the WBW as she fell off of the cliff. (Either because she was close to death, something force related w/ Cetos, or her connection to the daughter), or Anakin pulled her into it.
Like it’s not that crazy of a concept. We literally see Ezra do it and he was just a guy lol Anakin’s force ghost is the chosen one.
Man I can’t wait for episode 6
I think it’s safe to say that the world between worlds can almost be like purgatory for the extremely force sensitive. So she died (or vitals so faint she was almost dead) when she fell over that cliff. Probably knocked out and drown. Anakin was there to guide her and help her get back to the living world. I dunno if that’s a good theory or not. 🤷🏻♂️
Where has Morai been? I figured we'd see that bird by now. Also, sidebar... I wish they had Ahsoka use her Shien style more instead of constant upright grip.
I always thought of starkiller as "the son". One apprentice of light and dark respectively
i thought that it was the blast combined with the planet natural connection to the force maybe similar to how degoba (if i spelled that right) had the cave where Yoda and Luke trained It was a Dark side Nexus so maybe that Planet was just a Force Nexus and guided Ahsoka to the World between Worlds
I think especially because Anakin's line was "I didn't expect to see you here so soon" that he was not the one to pull her through.
Have we seen Morai yet in the Ahsoka series? I haven't, though I haven't looked surgically either. Could be associated with her being "Ahsoka the Grey" and Morai comes back later in the season.
I pulled her into the world between worlds.
Theory - I think you need to rewatch Rebels…you don’t need to be pulled into the WBW
We first see the WBW when Ahsoka, Kanin and Ezra visit the temple on Lothal and Yoda shows up to give some advice
We see the WBW a couple of other times also when the Loth-Wolves first evacuate the Rebels from the Northern Hemisphere to the South by entering a cave system, and then once again when they return to the North by tunnelling
Awesome Video! I think it was Anakin because He seems like He has taken The Role of
The Father now because He's The Chosen One but that's just My Opinion.
It feels a bit like plot armour to be fair, however the world between worlds, for someone who is neither living nor dead in the story, had previously been there and experienced it. I genuinely believe it was in Ashoka's mind. hitting the ocean ko'd her for a minute, but as her consciousness comes back she manifests a subconscious thought of choosing to live or die and that entire set of sequences was her fighting to survive. but because it's that plain she manifested anakin, he isnt there waiting for her, he is her test and the realm manifests his behaviours to ashoka. But being in a state of neither alive nor dead was my initial post viewing thought.
I'm very surprised we haven't seen Morai yet in the show. Although, there was one shot of Huyang at the ship when he's calling out for Sabine and Ahsoka and the shot is a birds-eye view which some people have theorized it's Morai's view looking down on him. But, she also could have fell through a portal in the water, although it would have been really lucky and lazy writing if a portal just happened to be there for her. Unless Anakin or Morai can create them? Which would be equally odd.
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In theory anakin being able to balance both light and dark sides of himself would be able to recreate vaapad as as Vader he studied juyo when reconstructing his lightsaber technique also he’s seen mace fight before so maybe
My interpretation is that Ahsoka was having a near death experience and having the connection with the Daughter, or just because shes been there before, and with this interpretation of Anakin, she was able to be in the WbW and have the talk with Anakin
I actually prefer the idea of Anakin pulling Ahsoka into The World Between Worlds, because if it was The Daughter or The Force itself, that means Ahsoka is now basically Space Jesus: she essentially has divine protection. She's more special than Luke. She's the most special Jedi in Star Wars.
if she was on deaths door, then she could go there partially, ezra and ahsoka went to gated world between worlds, she went to the gateless one(likely the same place, as gates would only show when youve used a gate)
I wanna see a short story with Anakin learning about the world between worlds
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Ahsoka experienced a Force Vision. She was never in WBW. She was having a near death experience and her former master’s Force ghost reached out to her.
This is almost exactly what happened to Luke on Hoth when he almost died. Obi-Wan reached out to him.
In both cases, the vision ended and the Jedi was rescued. It’s almost as if the Force Ghost led rescuers to the Fallen Jedi.
Another banger as usual
Father: Anakin
Daughter: Ashoka
Son: Ezra
Thor Skywalker made a video recently on the WbW that I think you all should check out.
"The World Between Worlds: What is it and how it works"
I felt a chill about the idea of Ahsoka being dead that I didn't from reading people saying she died and had to want to live.
I think we’re all just overthinking it. To me, this all just happened in Ahsoka’s mind whilst she was underwater. If Anakin is one with the Force at this point, perhaps he is able to influence the dreams Ahsoka has in her unconscious state, so she had a dream of training with Anakin, giving her the turning point she needed. It all could’ve happened in the space of a second before she was pulled from the water.
I know that doesn’t sound as “cool” as what everyone probably wants it to be, but half the reason we get so upset about things like this is because we get too consumed with our own head-canons that we struggle to accept that sometimes the most obvious answers are right in front of us.
Who knows, maybe this dream taking place in what looked like the World Between Worlds will convince her, next time she thinks she needs more guidance, she needs to go to the actual WBW, thinking she’ll find Anakin there - and then maybe she does, or maybe she doesn’t, or maybe she finds something darker in there.
Here's one who can see!
But does that explain why jacen can “hear” her fighting anakin if it’s all in her mind?
Like yeah mind probing is a force ability but usually in close proximity and he’d have to actively read her mind. Not passively feel and sense that she’s there. Also hera.
@@Alex-vp4ky Its way more believable than Jacen being able to "hear" her fighting in the World Between Worlds.
@@Alex-vp4ky Haven’t figured that one yet, although with the Hera thing I feel Jacen was somehow enabling her to hear the sounds, rather than Hera herself picking it up.
Switching blood out at the clinic from one patient to the other , always suspicious
I don't think someone needs to be pulled by other someone, Ezra wasn't pulled, he entered via "portal" and yes Ahsoka was pulled, but I don't think thats the only two existing ways to access it, as you said Ahsoka already have a connection with Morai and she alreday was there so maybe there is another way or multiple ways.
here’s my theory:
The very first scene this new galaxy begins to enter the stage is when she finds the orb, right? and it’s in a room with the father son and daughter drawn onto the wall, and we hear the son speak. so this new galaxy must involve the son somehow.
Morgan must know this and has plans to team up with the son or control him. (the new power baylon spoke of?)
I think Marrok was a manifestation of the son through night sister magic. i think Sam witwer is going to play the son and somehow manifest himself into a new body (clone?) that can leave his world. thus creating starkiller ish type character played by sam witwer! this would give them total control on nerfing his power without upsetting fans.
thoughts?
I just wish they made things more clear. Like nobody is questioning whether they went there in rebels- it was obvious so we can talk about it for what it is and not what it might be.
Ezra was able to go into the WBW and we also saw that only Ezra could enter the portal on Lothal. Troopers could not follow. Ahsoka is also the only other living person that entered the WBW. Anakin already passed on and Palpatine could only do it when he grabbed Ezra. I wonder if Ezra and Ahsoka are special in any way. Ahsoka has the daughters life energy. Does that mean that Ezra has the Son's energy in some way? Because many dark side users have shown great interest in him (Maul, Palpatine, Vader)?
It's interesting that we haven't seen morrai so far.
Lazy writing pulled Ashoka to WBW.
Couldn't it be a combination of a dream and real? Ahsoka was halfway dead, that seems to be enough to get to the WBW (a gateway to the dead) and Anakin being a force ghost would have the ability to visit her there. But with Anakin changing lightsabers and being seen as Vader certain times, I feel like that is part of Ahsokas journey/dream doing that. I kind of saw it as both a dream/illusion and a visit from Anakin.
If it was the daughter they wouldve shown the owl atleast.
Ezra met Yoda in WBW in Rebels when Ezra found his first kyber crystal. Ezra just didn't know that is where he was. That is what Dave said.
So there has to be another way to get in there. Besides getting pulled in by someone who is already in the WBW.
Maybe in Ahsoka's case, it's more of a state of mind....with the force.
it wasn't the world between worlds. i think this was like when Luke was on degaba fighting Darth Vader. dont know why more people dont think about this as an option
Exactly. FINALLY people are getting it!
No no no. We never saw Ahosoka leaving the WBW, so was she just "pushed out?" All we know from rebels is the only way to leave WBW is leaving from the same portal. So was the water the portal the entire time?
Was it really the World between Worlds or something like the Dagobah cave?
What if she wasn’t ~physically~ in the WBW? What if it was something like Obi Wan did when Vader was dying. She WAS dying in the ocean, and the Force sent Anakin to teach her how to become a Force Ghost? If Asohka had chosen to die maybe she would’ve become a ghost. And since she chose to live, they were able to find her body in the ocean.
Nobody stop to think this could just be a vivid force vision?? She already has been to the WBW, and she had to go into a deep meditative state to survive underwater...js...
Ahsoka opened the portal on her own. Ezra brought her completely into the wbw. Once he entered he could reenter with the right prompt. Ahsoka similarly has the power to reenter. Thats why Palpatine didnt want to use the portal directly. He just needed Erza to pull him in.
Well, obi wan did say the last time he faced vader that if he struck him down, he'd be more powerful than he could possible imagine.
It was anakin because she literally ask him "what's this about?" He says "Iam here to finish your training"
Ayo Theory! Ahsoka ep 6 gon be fire let’s GOOOOOO!!!!!
I think we're making connections that aren't there. I believe this was actually a near-death experience and this was a deep sort of memory. She wasn't actually in the world between worlds, but that's where her brain took her. Her dying memory was of that place and of some of the most significant people and events in her life.
IT WILL NEVER BE EXPLAINED. Please imagine that you have to explain the plot to your boomer aunt, if she wouldnt understand then they wont do it.
Pretty sure it wasn’t a physical moment, more of a spiritual moment… like when Ezra stumbled into it through meditation… it takes you there in the mind, but you can’t alter the physical through it “like pull ahsoka through”… that’s my take anyway… there were also no gates open in there. Which I feel means it’s a near death experience. Rather Than the physical transfer.
Problem with this theory though is that quite a bit of time passes after Ahsoka is pushed into the water and the time they find her. Suggesting she survives submerged under water for that long whilst being unconscious is far more far fetched than Anakin or someone pulling her into that realm. I was going to suggest time stops in that realm, but that's sort of debunked by how Jacen is able to hear them fight/train.
So im leaning more towards the fact that jacen could feel her, but yet she wasn't entirely there to be more likely. But a problem with my theory however is that choppa managed to find something which couldn't be possible if she wasn't physically there. Granted his sensors might've just picked up on an anomaly which is the location where her body was pulled from or perhaps held in-tact by the force.
Perhaps that's a better answer? Her mind was pulled to the different world, whilst there, the force or anakin keeps her body from drowning.
@@Littlecowardgaming yeah but to add to that, the WBW is connected to all moments of spacetime as one… so he could just as easily be feeling it as a memory…
My theory is that Ashoka, being unconscious, her subconscious made it all up in her mind, like a vivid dream, because she was once there and knew what it looks like. The Anakin not knowing the Mandalor siege is also because she knew he wasn't there and her mind made up the dialog. Eveything that hapened can be explained with her being unconscious and her mind being strong and willing to live. I don't think that the world between worlds can make different environments like the different battle scenes. That is only my opinion and in my head it makes sence!
I think Ahsoka got send there by The Daughter because she knew it wasn't her time to go yet. The Daughter probably also knew that Anakin is now the guardian of the WBW and ofcourse Ahsoka her former master. So I think The Daughter send Ahsoka there so that Anakin could finish her training and give her hope once again.