bts vs radio.
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- čas přidán 1. 06. 2024
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in this video i talk about why it is so difficult for a bts song to become a radio hit, as well as the constant discrimination they faced in their radio interviews. i also explain what payola is and how it affects bts and other artists.
0:00 intro
1:56 what is payola?
2:26 the lawsuit
3:23 who does payola?
5:22 extortion?
6:44 "but their songs are in Korean"
8:03 no one listens to radio
9:53 "but I've listened to bts on radio"
11:46 djs don't care about music
16:25 conclusion
TURN ON CC! i just added english subs💜
Thank you very much for the video.☺
You honestly deserve so many more subs and views because your content straight up states facts, it's so true that sone radio hosts only see us armys as crazy superficial fans and they care nothing about their music and don't even know how much their lyrics and songs mean to us, and I didn't know anything about the radio host talking about manifestation, he talks shit and these kind of people are really frustrating, this video made me realise how BTS and Army are so important to each other and they see us as equals, it's true, we don't need radio plays, we're still going to be on top!
@@jinishi6720 facts!
very well said ARMY....
👏👏👏👏👏
just like Jungkook said in hIS vlog...
BTS 💜 ARMY FOREVER....
Thank you for this 🥹
This is why RM started being sarcastic during interviews. And when Mario asked if they dance RM literally laughs. I think they slowly started to see all of this was bullshit
True. Is sad, because when they were there for the first time they were so happy, you could feel their excitement but then, after years passed,happened like you said, the sarcastic answers began after the dissapointment of how music industry works there. Is sad. They were so naive.
They must have become so jaded by the corruption. That's really sad.
yeah
Mario Lopez don't have anything but a dimple! He's not even a good emcee.
@@leahkalkbrenner6172 yes I just watched too hot to handle new season.. he's not aging well 🤔
"BTS will still remain on top, whether the music industry likes it or not" summed up the power of BTS and ARMYs in one sentence.... Amazing video again 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
artists don't need radio to gain fans. They need to be more open on social to fans, and develop a fan base, and they need to do better. work harder, earn respect =more money for the artists and the loyal crew that work with them. BTS has proven that.
Just like how they grew organically in South Korea, in they own way instead of through the usual kpop system.
@@LPnerd to depend on your fans to stream is sad & cheating. radio is accurate way to see what song is popular & highly requested
You will never remain on top. One u didn’t even get to the top. u niggas have to manually mass stream to get views, the only way it should be is that an artist is depending on mainstream buying, streaming, & voting. what will bts do when army dies out? well they will perish as well. if they were mainstream their songs would’ve been the center for success but because that has not happened. army & bts use not only numbers but manipulated numbers to float their way through. bts is like those groups that suddenly disappear
@@corpedatlanta wrong. You do realize that other people can also put in requests to hear songs that haven't been heard in YEARS; for example the Beatles. They haven't been on the radio in decades yet they still maintain their popularity due to being dependent on their fans. Just say your faves are flopping and go. You're too obsessed, looking at your other comments !
I started stanning bts around the time when ARMY still liked radio stations and we were sending gifts. Me and my sisters even called into our station, talked to the DJ and requested Black Swan and he agreed. We stayed up well past midnight, but it was never played. We were so excited and happy. Now we know better.
Oof yeah I’m just so sick of radio’s shenanigans. Im still so happy to hear BTS anytime on the radio, but it ticks me off that a massive fanbase can request the Korean songs a million times & it won’t matter, but any english collab is a piece of cake- or collab in general like w/ Coldplay.
I remembered doing a lot of request one time too to a bunch of radio station, I wasn't the only one, there were a lot of armys doing it too but they never played them. That's the reason why I get so excited when I hear their songs on the radio.
@@heianneeve3341 , I'm happy bighit does not participate in Pay for play!
aww, hugs
I remember being a new army wondering why i barely hear BTS on the radio when they are soooo big
I agree. Plus I love your username 😊
@@shelby2135 thank u!
Thanks for bringing up this topic. People don't understand what BTS had to break through to achieve what they have now and how hard the ARMYs fought for them.
@@cupcakenfetti that's been going on for decades, they do that here too.
@@cupcakenfetti you're so naive if you think bighit didnt manipulate and pay people
@@janvdb9258 Big hit was going bankrupt i'm sure they had money to spare to pay people. You aren't the first person to bring up this allegation and you won't be the last.
@@janvdb9258 Bighit doesn’t want to spend their money on things like this, there is nothing to be naive
@@janvdb9258 dude back then BTS come from a small no name company, they don't have the money for such thing, they become famous because of their own talents and hard work. In fact using money to buy fan never work because those fan don't stay, they are not gonna buy merch nor song and album, they contributed nothing to the profit of the company and thus they're a liability, not a benefit.
One point you didn't mention is the fact most radio stations in the US belong to a handful of companies. DJs are no longer independent programmers; they push buttons on the playlist sent to them by corporate. I can't remember now exactly where, but I remember listening to a podcast where a DJ spoke about how they were given a list of things to play and could not deviate from it, period.
It really boils down to large corporations making dirty deals with each other and milking the industry for all they can, usually at the expense of the artists. Artists end up having to pay back all the "promotional" expenses before they see a dime of profit from their own work. And that is the ugliest part of this whole business, in my opinion.
So true! Where I live one channel got in trouble bc the pre-programed centralized broadcast did not suspend their broadcast to deliver necessary tornado warnings!
yep, USA radio is so corrupted, here where I live (Argentina) that doesn't happen, DJs play whatever is popular on streaming platforms or requested songs, as you can imagine BTS is being played all the time. I don't even listen to the radio but in the rarely occasion I do, they're always being played.
i live in Canada so it might be a bit different here, but i'm really glad that doesn't happen here. i mean it could but i could be happening but I'd be surprised if it was. i have heard; boy with luv, yet to come and even run (not the new run bts like the old hyyh era run) on the radio. mind you this is a very popular radio station and is also a pop radio station. i'm very glad they play these and thanks to the dj for picking them!
I live in Minnesota, USA and rarely hear BTS on the radio but it was funny when I heard them playing in a small town at a Walmart store! I was so happy!
@@pennymcdonald538 I think they've been included in the playlists for some commercial establishments, which are different from radio playlists. I've heard them at the grocery store, but never on the radio.
Radio as a sign of success in general so biased. They literally choose what songs they want to play. That isnt more worth than actual people who go to the concerts or Spotify streams. And we all know how xenophobic and bad the process of choosinf those songs are.
Wasn’t Radio supposed to play what people want?
@@emacarvalho7889 It used to. Back in the 80s and 90s. When the music industry didn't feel so 'threatened' by foreign music. But the US music industry is based on the idea that American music is, OF COURSE, the best in the world. So having K-pop artists in 6 out of the top 10 on Digital US Sales, or 7 out of 10 on US Trending, looks oh so 'threatening' to them. (eyeroll.)
@@ystrw they can stay conservative or narrow-minded or money-hungry all they want but the relevancy will come back if they start opening up to other forms to music :-)
not forcing them to listen to bts but rather at least going beyond their comfort zone
Radio Station better get with the changes technology is here and moving rapidly.
Don’t be afraid of change and get with it or you may be left behind ✌🏼✌🏼✌🏼✌🏼💜
@@jojoccc The trouble is, they think they have gotten with the changes. They've 'consolidated' the thousands of radio channels into 6 main companies. They've 'removed guesswork' by issuing playlists that DJs aren't allowed to alter. They seem to think that by controlling what people hear, they can decide what music is popular and what's not. They're literally being paid to do this, so they don't suffer financially. And since Billboard is weighting radio spins higher than anything other metric, they aren't getting any reality checks.
Yet. But they will. They've left fandoms out of their reckoning, at that is where it will bite them. Especially K-pop fandoms, who are all getting very tired of this nonsense.
I was in Walmart last week and almost ran around the store with excitement because they were playing Permission to Dance on the Walmart radio. I've never heard a BTS song make it on the radio. I'll never forget that moment as long as I live 💜
I’m kinda sad they only play their English songs but I’m happy they at least play their songs, Last time I went to the mall they played “10000 Hours”by Jungkook so it was kinda surprising
I also heard ptd in Wal-Mart the other weekend XD I almost cried because for once it wasn't butter or dynamite, even if it still was an English single.
I actually work at one of my local Walmarts as a Vendor, so I'm there all the time and I can tell you they play Butter and PTD ALL THE TIME! I was really surprised. I'm at Walmart at least 4 times a week for a couple hours a day and I have heard their music played on "Walmart Radio" during literally every shift (they also really like to play Loona's "Star" but that's it). Those are the only songs I've heard played by any Korean artist on their radio.
I was at Walmart couple of weeks ago and they were playing “Yet To Come”
But it doesn't count for chart,bcz it still give them zero points on chart
Some radio DJs in my country (Portugal) were complaining on instagram than we asked for BTS so much. A couple of stories down they admited it was annoying because they get the requests but have 0 (ZERO) control over what gets played: they don't choose ANY songs. It's all chosen by the radio manager. I think that's pretty clear what that means: DJ request are a thing of the past and pretty much meaningless nowadays. DJs themselves are pretty meaningless nowadays as well, they know nothing about music and read little prepared spiels. The only way a song gets played is by paying the radio manager to do it. The end. Radio is dead.
Yeah, seems like radio DJs are not just talk personalities, not actual DJs. In my country, the classical radio station is run with the traditional DJs choosing their own songs, wish more stations were like that. The radio station I have on at work played Liam Payne Strip That Down twice a day and every day I cringe in embarrassment, its such a bad song, the only reason that song gets played is because someone paid to have it on. No one in their right mind would listen to that song voluntarily.
Ikr.....who needs radio ? There are a lot of better media to listen to our fav.song n artists. BTS is my thing idc ppl hate them or whatever. Borahae💜
@@loftyradish6972 I used to wonder how certain songs gets so big when they're so obvious bad. I guess I didn't really think about it until recently.
Anytime something gets that commercialized it's the beginning of the end. TV/cable? Haven't watched in over 10 yrs. Don't miss it, I find my own stuff to watch. Award shows? Nope, especially in the US. Too many overhyped celebs preaching instead of entertaining. We have a station here on the radio that actually plays requests & songs that are not usually played. It's classic rock which I have no problem with but if it's any mainstream pop 🤮 I swear I can't take it. You can find much better music on the internet.
Not saying that the money don't roll in because of how commercialized it is but don't come at me with artistry because corporate ruins artistry. It's all formulatic pablum.
@@melaniecarver5719 i used to think this too. lol
i would love to see a video on how bts is mistreated by the media of their home country. it could go into how this occurs and why. i think its a topic that is still not as discussed as it deserves to be. it could delve into how powerful the big3 really is and what they are capable of doing to attempt to undermine bts' success (while fraudulently uplifting their own groups).
True especially YGE,their such a shady company setting Blackpink up
I quit listening to the radio about a year ago, because I was sick of the garbage being played. I blamed it on peoples lack of taste in good music. Thanks to your video, now I know those were payolas. I discovered BTS on Instagram, and became an instant fan. Music transcends language barriers when songs have meaning; any ARMY can tell you that BTS songs have great meaning. I applaud BTS and Big Hit for maintaining their dignity and morals by refusing to pay for radio play. The corrupt western music industry can’t stop BTS from being the best group to ever exist, and their best is Yet To Come!!
Same, I also quit radio cause of garbage music.. got myself spotify and listened to bts only
@Jiraca I do listen to others too from time to time, especially 2010's music, but at the end I always end up with bts
The same problem is also in other countries. I'm from Europe and here nobody plays kpop on the radio until the song is in English and is very popular.
The first song that ARMYs managed to play on the radio with was dynamite. We had to win all sorts of surveys and pay for it, but in the end we succeeded. The next time with Butter it was easier but they still want to play only English songs.
Honestly, they have a problem with kpop or only for BTS. When BTS had a collab with Coldplay and my universe came out, I heard it on the radio a lot of times. The song has Korean lyrics combined with English and the only reason it was played was Coldplay. Coldplay is very popular in my country and has been heard for a decade. This shows that it depends on the artist and the type of music.
Still, the songs were usually played in the evenings or very early in the morning. I was able to listen to it when I was driving to school..
totally agree. I also live in Europe and that's exactly like that
Which part of Europe, please?!🙏💜🇬🇧💜
When I heard my universe in the car on radio, it was edited to only played the english parts. The only time I heard the full song on radio was at Walmart. (Which is called walmart radio).
@@TayaTawan OMG that's so unfair!!! I can't imagine how ashamed Coldplay would feel with this behavior of the radios, he wanted the collab, so play the whole music dammit!
Yes. Left and Right was played in Europe too tnx to Charlie and being in English
Jin's wise words will always be iconic. ✨💯
I'm not even the biggest fan, but I was wondering why BTS wasn't on the radio. They really deserve to be. And that way more people could discover them.
As an Asian who have never been exposed much to the American music industry, I really have very less knowledge about such issues so this video really proved informative for me. Thank you for making this video.
Industry here is sooo corrupt yes indeed
lots of racism and xenophobia towards Asians from American industries
I'm not an ARMY and have only heard about 4 or 5 BTS songs in my life but this was a super interesting video and I have wondered before why I don't hear them on radio more (or a lot of other popular k-pop acts I see getting attention, really) or see them higher up on the charts considering how massively popular they are and how passionate the fanbase is. As a metal/rock/punk fan I'm kind of used to this type of thing happening more in the genres I like in favour of profit/'acceptability' but to see it happen to such a mainstream and beloved pop group in this day and age? Also one that seems pretty clean/uncontroversial lyrically and fairly unproblematic as people publicly to my knowledge? Yep, something's amiss.
Good on them and the fans though, respect.
Well the thing is their music is way too diverse for it to just be categorised as pop. I could easily name about 15-20 songs that fall under rock, emo, Funk, Grunge, Electronic. And that doesn't even include the huge part of their discography being hard-core hiphop. So the issue of the genres you mentioned facing these problems are sure one part of it. But that would only be if people were even aware they have a discography of almost about 300 tracks with the most diverse songs.
The Western media loves pretending BTS is just kid friendly pop music. This is were the industry politics come in. The west likes when something from outside trends as long as they can call it 'oh how cute', or 'how funny', or 'its ridiculously catchy' etc. Remember Gangnam Style? That's a good example. But the moment they realise an artist from outside is beyond one trending song, but has a huge history and artistry it's now a threat.
So they will actively downplay everything to fanatic, obsessive fans that will die for these 'little korean boys'. Wherein the reality is the highest percentage of their fans are of age 30 to 40 and the rest of the age groups almost equally divided.
Ps. They did have problematic past. Mainly the rappers since they came from underground. And their exposure to hip hop was not educated exposure. Partly also since, Korea back then weren't too aware about political correctness and what could be insultful. So them as 15-20 yr olds would imitate a lot of things, and hairstyles not knowing it could be insultful to the community. Until they themsleves started realising what they were doing. Because of which, by 2016, after writing their lyrics they would get it read by professionals so that they could learn how the issues work and where they must improve. And note, this was when they weren't even big in Korean.
If kpop is played in Radio it can only mean PAYOLA. BTS were played once or two times bcs it was imposible to lie about their songs not actually being requested massively by actual people, but we are certainly done with radio now.
You seriously have such a talent for articulating yourself and explaining complex topics. I love your video essays. You deserve more subs
thank you so much💜
SAME SAME
HEAR HEAR!
@@boracitymagazine r u from poland ?
Same
The problem is that way too few people know all this. I wish this blows up because people really need to know to be maybe able to do something against it - as someone who lives and breathes through music I´m so heartbroken by this! Jin is so right: I too look forward to living in a world where music is produced in good faith, and heard in good faith! Music is supposed to be an instrument for truth and healing...Maybe when enough people become aware of all this swindle the system could be forced to fairness...at least that´s what I´m hoping right now for the future- Thank you so much like always for this amazing and highly important video!!💜
Sadly this video will mostly be watched by us fans who already knows about this unfairness. Maybe we can recommend it to reactors.
@@atin4353 Yesss that was my idea too!💜 Let´s do it!!💪 I think it´s a topic and problem that effects other fandoms too and just in general should be important to every true music fan - so I´ll really do my best to also recommend it in comment-sections of channels that don´t exclusively react to BTS and K-pop🙌 I mean how can we change things (and I genuinely think we actually could if only enough people stand up and begin to talk) if no one is aware of the extent of this scam going on... so THANK YOU and APOBANGPO🤗💜💜💜
@@rapjinenthusiast731 yes and the USA do it to their own artists as well the smaller Indie Artists. US artist have spoke out about the corruption more than once but people don't listen or pretend to to hear. Yet this 'Payola' scandal has been reported in Major US Media and with a big case going to court. Yet still the average American hasn't a clue what goes on.
So well made! I wish you'd included how Tae said "we could have gone higher, we had the chances" implying they did not take the shortcut because they wanted to make music happily for a long time, even if the climb is slow.
This was a really good video. I knew about payola but I didn't realise it was this huge. I also hadn't know that those cupcakes were sent by ARMY.. that made me angry.
It makes no sense for radioplay to be such a large factor for charting.
But like you said, BTS will continue to remain on top whether the industry likes it or not. 💜
Yeah the cupcake thing! I have seen that interview many times but never knew that. That really makes me mad. They could have atleast said Army got these cupcakes for bts but they made it look like they got it themselves. What ever, atleast bts got to eat Army's cupcakes.
honestly, BTS is the only concert I'd consider going to. NO one comes close . I like other pop music, but not much. I respect Swift, but not my thing. Bruno Mars, some Gaga, mainly I like classical and musicals. LOL but BTS is amazing.
I didn’t know about the cupcakes either!!! My gosh, just when I think they can’t get any lower…
I think RM knew, the cupcakes were from armys. He made a joke about it. He said, "You guys must be rich". Those djs started laughing.
@@LPnerd I'm not into pop music I prefer Rap, Rock, Heavy metal, Gospel, R & B, Soul, Jazz and Reggie.
I've never understood why radio counts so much towards the charts. I don't personally decide what songs get played on the radio.
fr llke the chart is supposed to be a reflection of what the people WANTS to listen to, not labels and djs. atp radio shouldn't even be counted on charts anymore as it doesn't accurately represent the purpose of the charts. it's ridiculous how bb weighed down the sales' influence on hot 100 when out of the three factors (sales, streams, radio) it's the sales that is the most organic and the one that has least chance of being manipulated.
All these years I have been following BTS, even prior to their explosion into the U.S. music scene. DJs, music journalists and others ALWAYS say it's ARMY and not general public buying, streaming and watching mvs....they NEVER stop and talk about ARMY ARE the general public. If you take the number of subs on JUST ONE of BTS social media accounts, example YT, there are literally 10s of millions of subscribers...if each ONE of those 10s of millions watched ONE specific video 1 time each day which would equal 1 spin/listen on the radio each day...it's a no brainer.
Instead, they refuse to believe that BTS can pull those nbrs without "excessive replay" by a small group of ARMY. The difference is these 10s of millions of ARMY are listening to different BTS songs, albums, mvs across the whole spectrum of BTS discography.
THAT is the only reason we encourage each other to stream, watch and buy the most recent work they put out. It's to "tunnel vision" if you will, just like radio playing the latest song of a specific artist every 30 to 45 minutes. If it is OK for them to do using their platforms why is it not OK for ARMY to do so with the tools we have?
Exactly 💜
Yes, that's why BTS MVs always hit millions of views in their first minutes and hours. But I think YT has reduced, or even eliminated, the repeat-views count. Because recent views are way, way down- not just for BTS, but for Itzy, Seventeen and others. and they all cap out in their first 24 hours at around the same number- between 10 and 11m views. (I'm trying to figure out a way to test this...) I also notice a lot of people are moving off to other platforms, Patreon especially.
And as to replay, yeah, it may surprise some people, but ARMY don't actually sit on social media 24-7 waiting for every slightest update. We spread the word like that because it's a big fandom, and the boys pour out so much content that it's easy to miss or overlook something. Besides, we like to share. If other fandoms don't, that's a them problem; they're perfectly free to remind and encourage each other if they want to. They don't want to, fine, but then they've no right to complain about us doing it.
ROFL ARMY and guilty of manipulation more than anyone. Buying 20 copies of a record is distorting reality. God you folks are delusional hypocrites
Not really. I'm retired mom doesn't know who BTS ever are.
@@janvdb9258 you are the one being a delusional hypocrite over here. what are your opinions about the other western artists who push their fans to mass buy???
*You don’t have to look far to see other artists who have played this game to their advantage. Take Harry Styles, who gave his slow-burning hit “Watermelon Sugar” a last-minute push to No. 1 in early August by releasing three physical/digital single bundles, two new music videos and discounting the download to 69 cents during the same tracking week. Or Travis Scott and Kid Cudi, who blasted “The Scotts” to a No. 1 debut with help from “15 physical configurations,” according to Billboard. (The track dropped to No. 12 in its second week, proof that staying at No. 1 is a much different battle than reaching No. 1.)*
*Speaking of remixes: Maybe BTS’s critics forgot about Lady Gaga and Ariana Grande’s “Rain on Me,” which was available at various points to stream and purchase in its original form, as an instrumental, and as remixes by Purple Disco Machine and Ralph Rosario. That’s to say nothing of Doja Cat’s “Say So” and Megan Thee Stallion’s “Savage,” both of which vaulted to No. 1 thanks to high-profile remixes featuring Nicki Minaj and Beyonce, respectively.*
*People who accused BTS of releasing too many versions of “Dynamite” might have also forgotten about Taylor Swift, who released 16 deluxe physical editions (eight CDs and eight vinyl) and a variety of merchandise bundles of her latest No. 1 album, Folklore. Swift also boosted her recent No. 1 single, “Cardigan,” by selling a limited edition vinyl single that included the song’s original voice memo and releasing a “cabin in candlelight” version of the track for purchase and streaming.*
*And of course, no rundown of outlandish Hot 100 antics would be complete without a salute to Drake, who reportedly recruited dancers and social media influencers Toosie, Ayo & Teo and Hiii Key to create dance moves for his chart-topping “Toosie Slide” and flaunt them across their social media platforms, creating a viral dance challenge for a song that hadn’t even dropped yet.*
And these are not my words. These are facts. *ROFL*
Edit: though this is from 2020, my point still stands
My respect for BTS just got multiplied by 10
When a band can sell out any venue for a performance anywhere in the world, they are popular with the people.
Not just a venue the biggests venues on the planet like BTS do.
I’m from Spain and I can assure you that I have only listened to BTS on the radio 2 times in my life.
One was My universe (which is not even an only BTS song) and PTD (that’s in English 🙄)
It’s a shame
Our boys deserve more credit💜
I’m glad I have a local radio station that plays BTS! Granted, it’s only the English songs, but they do play them pretty frequently, that’s actually how I first heard Dynamite, Butter, and My Universe! I’ve since become a fan, but I’m grateful for my local station for giving them the radio play they deserve 😊
Nicki Minaj has been saying this for years. Smh but you can’t stop great artists who fans support and love them. PERIODT
Rock 🤝 Kpop
Realizing the music industry is corrupt and artificially stopping your genre from growing.
You're so real for thisss.
The fact that people even have the audacity to shame ppl cuz they stream is hilarious to me. Atleast they dont cheat lol
'You can shame me for streaming when your faves don't have a chart showing how much they've been streamed. Till then, shut it.' 🙂
these people are just so problematic! I am not used to it since i decided to only follow bts where positivity and creativity reigns. i had enough of them, really. so much negativities...
and also, thank you sm Boracity! your videos remind me why i love BTS and ARMY. they are genuine, true to their intentions. that's how i see bts and this fandom.
A part of it is xenophobia, a part of it is payola, and a part of it is misogyny since people assume that their fans are only teenage girls, and anything teenage girls like is ridiculed relentlessly and viewed as inferior. Of course not all of their fans are teen girls, ARMY is extremely diverse, but even if ARMY was only made up of teen girls, that doesn’t mean they or BTS is deserving of ridicule or that BTS’ music is inferior in any way.
I don’t listen to radio at all due to this reason. I buy my music digitally from Apple and I play our boys on my playlist.
Thank you for the video! It explains a lot to me as why some songs are at the top. It makes me sad to know the reality behind the music industry is so much about deals and money. Sad also that many talented people never have a chance to get their music out there bc of this system. You are correct; I'm older and I don't listen to radio except some local Public Radio for classical and jazz. I mostly use YT and mostly listen to BTS then other Kpop and then if I really like the music, some other artists. Hardly ever buy anything but BTS and kpop.
I did first see BTS on US television almost four years ago (I am grateful for this - they know it boosts views) and immediately fell in love with their music and with them as they were so engaging.
I have so much respect for you to make these videos
The world needs to know that bts isn’t just any K-pop band and armys aren’t just 13 year olds
Army needs to understand kpop just isnt for everyone especially in the states
@@aziababy5732 we know that we just want basic respect Miss girl 🙄😀
@@aziababy5732we are not talking about kpop
@@aziababy5732 I mean it´s not about kpop or about wanting everyone to enjoy BTS. But right now we and BTS are just very misleadingly represented by media. So that regular people in the states or anywhere in the world usually have a wrong prefabricated, prejudiced opinion about the group, their musical catalogue and the fanbase. This way people won´t even be able to ever know if they don´t or do like them because they wouldn´t want to give them a chance in the first place.
I mean one example: (I don´t know if that stood out only to me or...) When Billboard reported on J-Hopes performance at Lollapalooza where he showcased HIS SOLOWORK including his new album for the first time. The one snippet they chose to show out of his 70 minute-long performance that was a pure Hiphop-performance throughout (with rock and rnb influences here and there), was from the ONE BTS-song he performed to show love for his group and surprise Army - Dynamite.
The english pop song everyone already knows and associates BTS with. The song (that I love btw) that couldn´t be further away from being representative of his solo work, what he wanted to show the world and what he brought on to the stage that day. - And what I naturally expect from a music news channel (and we are talking Billboard here...!) is to of course report on the facts about his solo Lollapalooza performance and show the footage that encaptures what was musically going on.
People who "don´t like" and also don´t really know BTS have in common most of the time that they also have no idea about their incredibly diverse discography. BUT they will probably know dynamite (or mabye Butter). Because it was literally everywhere after it came out. And I bet people who don´t particularly enjoy funky disco-pop tunes like Dynamite might think BTS is just exactly what that particular song stands for - nothing more or less. And they wouldn´t in their dreams think BTS could bless this world with albums like "Jack in the box". Which is super understandable! I don´t know and people can´t imagine a group/artist where I can expect to find songs like _Mic drop, Singularity, ddaeng, black swan, zero o clock, ugh, Epiphany, Agust d, friends, your eyes tell, go go, Moonchild, chicken noodle soup, Idol, my time, ma city, forever rain, more, ON, airplane pt 2, Dionysus, butterfly etc. etc. etc._ to sit on one table!
And as far as I could observe it the media constantly tries incredibly hard to keep it that way.
(this one example on it´s own is maybe a little bit far fetched - it´s just I notice this pattern everywhere and all the time after paying attention...but of course media was always known to in a subconscious way stigmatize things so that people are lead to where the money flows into the industries pockets...)
...Oh and I´m sorry @AziaBaby I didn´t initially plan to write a whole essay here and it´s not directed at you of course😅I totally get what you mean! - people have different tastes and that´s so important to be respected. In my opinion that´s also one of the first reasons why money shouldn´t dictate whats on the charts! Fair and equal public media representation and people´s genuine heartfelt opinions on the latter should be💜
@@aziababy5732 We are not talking about Kpop we are talking about BTS. Kpop is an Industry not a genre of music. BTS is main stream pop, R&B, HipHop, Soul, Rock EDM just to name a few of the music Genre's BTS are part of. Oh and not forgetting Jaz.
You always find new topics to talk about, do research for it and create amazing videos . I learn a lot watching your videos. I love the different types of topics. Keep doing it.
Great job.👍💜
Wow. So eye opening. Guys please let's share this video and also it would be great to ask good reactors to watch this too everyone should know this information.
Omg those cupcakes were from ARMY'S? I dislike those radio people even more now. 😐
Actually she just knows what BTS-related topics are most important and worth making videos on. This is a very talked-about topic on ARMY Twitter that always comes back every once in a while like just recently.
@@raccoonchild Of course.
But no one make videos about these things. That's what I mean. There are lot of people like reactors who don't know exact information about these things. So i think it's great for them react to this channel videos. I've seen a few do it but this videos are so good. They should react to them rather than doing meaningless videos. You know what i mean. I see these useless video reactions everywhere. These people will learn so much and open their eyes if they watch something like this.
@@lakshi9276 Yes, that's why I praised OP in my own separate comment for making content 'CZcams ARMYs' can rely on and maybe use as a bridge to even further research
@@raccoonchild 👍💜
@brookemorrison is an army and works in music industry. I wonder what she has to say abt this.
15:28 WHAAAAATTTT???!!!!!!! I never knew this!!!!! I’ve always thought that was a genuine gift for BTS!!! oh wtf this is so uncool
Some artist will go naked will show vulgar things which they themselves won't want their kids to hear or see curse unnecessarily for views and they are celebrated and treated like big deal
BTS is careful about their audience they are pure talent but people still hate them.
People mindset are going downhill
Don't forget that time they made Savage Love Remix chart and all the radios only played the original version not the remix that won the award. So gross, radio music is super insufferable these days
You said it all. I liked this video so much. from the very beginning BTS had been and still fighting against literally everyone. they only have ARMY. so guys, let's not be complacent. BTS don't use dirty tricks or money, they trust us with their success. let's not break their trust guys. let's watch their official mvs, purchase music, let's vote for their awards, let's do each and everything possible within our ability for BTS. cuz we still firmly believe that "Team work makes the dream work"
Realmente si sabía que la industria era corrupta, pero no me imaginaba hasta este punto.
Esto solo me da más ánimo y motivaciones para seguir apoyando a BTS al 100%.
i used to think that billboard including airplay as a metric for charting was stupid and that they thought people actually actively listen to radio and get their daily dose from new music from radio stations. well, they know that. and it's kinda why they made it weigh so much. though you can manipulate streams and sales using bundles and other fraudulent acts but it's still easier to detect and it is policed. this is not the case with radio and it's quite literally the opposite. there is nothing authentic about it and looking at it as a measure of a song's popularity is invalid and makes no sense
the thing is, airplay was already a major contributor to the calculation of the hot 100 but it was not the *biggest* contributor. yes it has weighed so much but a song could've still got a 1# by only its sales and streams, you can look at life goes on as an example. billboard has made HUGE changes to its charting rules and it was clearly a way of sabotage targeted towards bts starting from limiting purchases and sales. it's like they are sending them a message (more like threatening them) and leaving them with no choice but pay for radio play if they want to get another 1#. and we can't sit here and lie saying that it did not affect them.
this is still so crazy to me and gives me flashbacks to that infamous billboard article in 2021, and it's making me think that the article was planned by billboard to get something out of bts regarding the "chart manipulation" claims. i dont know what type of response were they expecting but joon basically said "if you don't like the way things are going then change your rules" and it looks like they took it personally and found it a chance to put the rule changes - which im sure they had in mind for a long time - into effect.
days ago bad decisions debuted at 10# and the song's radio impact had not even started yet at that time. ironically, bad decisions had the biggest US pure sales week for any single in 2022. so did these rules _actually_ affect bts? it might have but only in the sense of "you're not allowed to chart" but bts themselves, as a name in the industry and as artists, they are still the biggest and the most successful, they have the numbers and the demand. and this is not going to change anytime soon.
The thing with this change is that it's going to come back to bite Billboard and US radio HARD. People are already focusing on digital over radio play, and the fact that you can't call in and request songs, and DJ's can't vary from the company-set playlists, means that people are going to keep turning away from radio and listening to what they actually want to hear from digital platforms. The Billboards are going to go the way of the grammys- disgraced and held in contempt- and radio is going to continue to struggle until it finally goes under entirely. It'll take a while, of course, but as long as they keep ignoring the Sales charts and the Trending charts- the ones that tell them what listeners are actually tuning in to- they're just shooting themselves in the foot. As for BTS- they don't need the grammys, and they don't need Billboard, either. Not when >15m people are breaking the internet and selling out tickets to watch ONE BTS member perform at America's most famous music festival. :)
@@ystrw exactly. radio is already dying, and even regarding physical sales nobody is buying. billboard just posted literally a day ago that "while ‘bundles’ are no longer accepted as of July 2020, box sets still count towards the Billboard 200" which is basically a more 'subtle' version of bundles. right it's the streaming era right now but nobody has the demand bts have and bb does not realize that these rules will affect everyone and it will backfire on them 🤷
I'm going to take this and share it the next time sm1 tries to gaslight ppl abt when ARMY call these ppl out again and they try to play victim again.
Thanks! This definitely explains a bit more succinctly abt why ppl from labels and companies are suddenly blaming ARMY for being inorganic nowadays for buying/listening to BTS's music but keep downplaying that companies are the ones that largely do the same for their artists too. How is fan effort less organic than company effort doing the same and more?
Also, why do ppl keep acting like fans come out of nowhere? Or that having fans is why they have fans (the "they're successful bc they're popular" argument--how does that even make sense)? We _were_ part of the gp way before being fans, and no one would be a fan of anything if that thing wasn't good in the first place.
And also want to say that BB doesn't even cover how they don't discourage unfair practices like paid-for radio or album bundling. This is clear when they lessen the weight of digital and streams to their chart points but keep radio as a big point source despite being called out for it for years (and they straight up admitted to profiting off bundles, which is why don't truly eliminate them).
this videos is SO NECESSARY at this moment. Thank you for all the effort in your videos 💜
It's like BTS and army vs the music industry.
So informative tq 🥰
U re so correct
I only hear radio when I'm in my shop for background white noise while I'm working because I'm just sick of the way they decide what we get to hear not what we WANT to hear, what really stood out for me was that I heard My Universe, Left & Right, Bad Decision (and we all know why) within days or hours of release. Dynamite finally made it after months of waiting and I have NEVER heard Butter on radio. BTS are the only ones from K pop to have actually had any air time in my country and that is very limited, so now I go on CZcams or Spotify instead and bypass radio altogether.
They saw bts achieving back to back from Dynamite, Butter, Permission to Dance, Life goes on and they got scared. The music industry is shookt by their power. So now they changed it chart will be radio based streaming, they won't play bts so that they won't get #1 anymore. Sadly but armys will here for the boys. Always be.
I started becoming an army about the same time you started your channel and the love I have developed for the boys has been truly massive thanks to you. I thank you for this channel.
This video needs to be circulated in the army community. A much needed, important video. Especially for baby army!
Thank you, I'm learning new stuff everyday.
Before getting into bts I was a fan of some western artists, so kind of I knew how the American music industry work, so I was pretty devastated seeing bts doing interviews with shows I hated, and even worse it showed me hosts I used to like treating them badly because I remember the same hosts were not treating western artists like that. So bts' journey to the west wasn't something I had high hopes for.
however, I'm grateful for armys like you for making such a detailed content with facts, you help us to understand and fight better for bts. It's such a hard thing to be this neutral and factual and gathering all of this information and post it for anyone and everyone to watch.
It's really amazing 💜
I can't buy any of their album coz i'm poor, but i always stream their music in spotify or yt everyday,and my playlist in spotify only have bts song. thats the only thing i can do to support them.
Ps:sorry for my broken english
your english is great :)
@@ashton1356 thank you 😊🤗
Thanks for explaining this. Off course it’s about money but even hating on BTS? That’s a shocker but not really right?
I’m afraid to say this but we have the same system in the Netherlands and BTS is almost never on the radio.
Even in the top 2000! When we Dutchies can vote on several thousand songs to end up in the top 2000, not one BTS song was available to vote on.
We had to request to put a song in via a internet form, every single time you wanted to vote for a BTS song.
I used to love the top 2000 but not anymore. Seeing how corrupt and xenophobic it has become.
That’s why I at 61 years of age have Sound Cloud and Spotify. I’ll have my on groove on, hahaha.
This just makes me want to start my own radio station to support BTS and other artists with one main goal to never get corrupt by the music industry. However, like you said it is a dying art form...If I did try and do this I wouldn't even know where to start. I don't know anything or really understand radio stations.
Thank you for this video!!!
This was really enlightening. I stopped listening to radio long ago because they always played the same songs from the same artists and I couldn’t understand why. This is a really unfortunate system. When BTS didn’t get nominated for certain awards or didn’t receive an award I started understanding the pay to win BS. With listeners tuning out radio and viewers not watching award shows you would think they would change things but they seem very short sighted. I am glad BTS is doing music on their terms. I will support BTS as much as I can. Thanks again for this video.
I am so glad they did not do interviews for yet to come because we all knew it wasn’t getting radio play. I noticed the radio only plays English songs which is sad because when I went to Mexico, I was visiting my family and my uncle turned on the radio in his car and The song ice ice baby was playing and my uncle, who didn’t speak English was singing along to it. It’s kind of sad how much the whole world is accepting of Western music, especially in South Korea,however the west doesn’t really care about the love and support they receive form international fans and listeners. I hope things change.
Thank you for this important info! I AM SO MAD at the radio stations in my country, America!! I am so ashamed of their behavior! Illegal payola should be stopped a
IMMEDIATELY!!!!!!
I loved your statement "BTS WILL REMAIN ON TOP WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT" SO TOTALLY TRUE.
This is why I don't listen to the radio and probably most people don't, at least with streaming services like Spotify and Apple music, you get to control the music and put in whatever genre you want.
This video needs to be seen by many people. ARMYs,please share as much as you can. And thank you for explaining these. I learned something new today.
Nothing can beat geniune dedication, hardwork and talent.💜
It's just crazy to me why is radio play weight that much in billboard top 100 when we know it's just payola. Sales should be have been weighted more but they dont want that because they dont want bts on top. But atleast they should think about other artists as radio and streaming dont pay that much. It ruining artists.
billboard *knows* that it's just payola lol, that's why it weighs so much. because it can be controlled by labels and adjusted to the way they like it. billboard has more than 25 charts only indicating airplay across US
Thank you for this video and your insight on payola.
Even here on Greek radios I would feel that with how the music labels control radio stations a lot through under-the-table payola the radio has more or less died off.
Radio is largely irrelevant these days. I listen to radio in the car but only if I want to hear the news headlines or weather report. Otherwise I Bluetooth my phone. I buy digital versions of the songs I like and play them on my mobile device or I listen to a streaming service. I also watch the MV’s on CZcams. I like that my streaming services create playlists for me based on my previous likes and throws in an occasional song from an artist I haven’t heard. Usually they make a good choice. I have no control over what I hear on radio and I’m lucky if I hear one song in an hour that I actually like. I will continue to buy music by BTS as a group or individually because I like their music….simple as that.
So this is why they haven't won a Grammy yet?! I knew there was a reason I just couldn't figure it out. This breaks my heart. They have worked so hard. Although I want to see them win. It's like Drake said it's the people coming to your concerts that matter.
I asked radio stations to play BTS constantly when they came out with Dynamite and they never did. I finally got so pissed I messaged them and gave them a piece of my mind. I mean I don’t even listen to the radio unless I am in the car like she said but it still made me mad because they had no right to never play their song but play the same damn songs over and over and over again which now makes sense why but anyways now they know never to see me in person or I’ll kick their ass.
I appreciate this video so much especially with everything we just witnessed with Jimin's #1 spot. Thank you boracity for always investing in the research and sharing facts.
Boracity Magazine... You impress me more a more profoundly every time you post. I am stunned every time you post one of your masterpieces. You reveal the truths without fear. I am grateful for your courage, brilliance and genius. May you continue to do your work... Graced and protected.
Thank you for your dedication to BTS and ARMY. I mean it... when I say that I am enlightened by you... over and over again.
I intuitively knew that BTS and BigHits are Divine Gifts brought to us as miracles. You document that my intuition is correct... You document BTS's journey as the ethical men that they truly are and that they come from LIGHT. You document that music does matter to them... that ARMY does matter to them... and that BigHits really is an ethical exception to the musical corruption across the world. You prove to me over and over the power of the people really can make a difference. You tear away the lies with such LIGHT.
This is my gift to you, BTS 7, ARMY and HYBE... I wield the power I command through prayer... I choose to Support your post... May payola be revealed and STOPPED.
May all artists along with BTS, their music and their fanbases be treated with the respect they deserve. May the monies invested to cheat the artists and the world's people be repurposed for HIGHEST GOOD of the people. May that money bless music, art and creativity.
Thank you Boracity Magazine!
Thank you HYBE and BigHits!
Thank you ARMY!
Thank you BTS 7.
What an amazing video. As a fan of BTS, I appreciate this so very much. Thank you. Borahae ARMY! Bangtan Forever 💜
Its because their song isnt english songs and 2nd of all bts dont do deal with the media like most celebs esp those who wants fast dirty tricks. so media dont get any profit out of bts, bts grow by themselves organically
Thank you for thorough & insightful information. I'm horrified at the continued treatment of BTS. ( I'm no longer a fan of Lopez. Do you dance? Really Mario?) I noticed that Billboard eliminated the Top Social Artist award. They ( certain media) are blatant in their xenophobia & racism. I will support BTS as a group & as solo artists until my last breath.
That was so so eye-opening Thank you Boracity for yet another incredible video!!
"Songs on the radio are not songs the GP likes. They are songs that the GP are forced to like."
Even as a kid (before streaming, when we listened to CDs and radio), I wondered why a lot of radio stations only played a handful of songs over and over. I found it really annoying. After I grew up and learned more about the music industry, everything clicked.
But why is this still such a hard concept for some people to understand? 🙄
This is such an eye opener for me. Thank you for making it. My RESPECT for BTS has tenfold now
I love yoir videos, you should do a "BTS collaboration raking video" based on the celebrity's interaction with bts, how good you think the song is, the response, and how many fans where introduced to bts because of it. But the most important is how well the celebrity treats BTS.
Bangtan deserves better.
AS LONG AS ARMY ARE HERE, NO ONE CAN MESS WITH THEM
Very well articulated, thanks for this enlightenment. Only proves that a lot of people believes in BTS capability. Please continue to give them support and love.
It's because of things like this that one thing should always be kept in mind: BTS only has Army.
Always about the money, not the music. Great music will eventually win out.
Not without fans it won't. Unless they go out on their own, Like Beiber did, and BTS to some extent.
Watching this made me tear up.. Honestly this might probably sound like I'm over reacting but if i were BTS i don't think id be able to continue pursuing music like this. You give the results, your hard work is clearly being appreciated, and there are tons of evidences, testaments, that prove your worth; and yet you cannot achieve your dream because of people who do not share the same passion for music and only care for money. It's disappointing and its discouraging.
What do awards like the grammys even mean now? How can these awards stay as prestigious as it is if the original purpose faded away because of greed? Adding into the fact that discrimination also comes into play... it hurts to think what BTS have gone through in the industry alone. Not to mention that not even their home country (media) wants to recognize the achievements they've done. It makes me so sad i cant help it.
I'm glad BTS has chosen to focus on themselves and their artistry. Music is their passion and us ARMYs are what helps them continue this despite everything. Awards are just awards after all, what's important is the sincerity and the impact you have given to others. I hope we could continue supporting the boys and their music.
that being said i hope all of you are voting them on MTV for group of the year
This shows that BTS and Hybe is honest to our ARMYs .... They don't compromise in their values.... And that's why ARMYs and BTS has most precious bond... That depends upon trust....BTS was no. 1 and they are no. 1 and they will be no.1 forever... 💜
It's literally crazy how I hear more BTS songs like ON or My Time playing at Starbucks and nothing on the radio. At the same time, it is also sad because when I heard the songs the other day I was so surprised to hear them when the level of fame they have should make it common to hear them in public spaces. I'm French and I stopped listening to the radio years ago. Not only do French radios push for French artists but now when you listen, you can really feel that they do not care about the music. The DJs are vulgar, rude, and work more for entertaining what little people listen to them than to play good music that they endorse.
The worse is that every player in this industry (labels, radios, artists, investors) is getting fed by this system, to the detriment of the general public and those who refuse to play this game. Since no one listen to radio anymore, they think and do get away with it. The only chance would be to change the rules for charts, although they also participate and are satisfied with the way it works. Maybe once the chart systems and award shows lose their relevance and people stop paying any attention to it will it change.
Journalists have been complaining about the niches and how fans have stopped paying attention to other artists. Streaming platforms may make this practice easier, but one should look at the global image first. Why don't we listen to the radio anymore? Because they force feed us songs. I am all for discovering new songs and artists but playing a song by an artist that I don't stan every 15min will just make me sick of hearing it.
Sad thing is we knew before the DJ's thought we did that they are meaningless. We talked to them about it during fake love and idol and they tried to gaslight us. But if you weren't convinced then when mots7 came you smelled the BS. They all said they were so excited for it and almost none of them played ON. Army alone got it to number 4 on the hot100. That's why they REALLY hated us for charting Dynamite. We found a way around them just like our boys found a way around Korean media. Which is why they changed the billyboards but funny enough some more artists they didn't want on the charts got there like bad bunny. More and more artists are seeing the corruption and I call that a win for Army.
Radio is dying. I only watch and listen BTS from buying their albums, on CZcams and BTS channels . 💜
Money is a medium of exchange, but sadly, it has become the worst influence on the personality and thinking of people in all professions. Not just the music industry, but corruption can be found anywhere, as long as you pay attention. Health, education, science… all became corrupt more or less just because of money and human greed. People who live with integrity will be oppressed and suffer many injustices, BTS is just one of the victims of that injustice and discrimination. I'm glad to have a mature, deep ARMY like you who understands the essence of the problem and inspires the fandom. Thanks very much
A clear, well researched and concise explanation of Payola Thank you. I’m glad. BTS have stayed true
YES exactly! To all of this. I was part of the groups sending gifts to djs calling thanking tweeting requesting we did it ALL. Them making it seem like we need to work harder even after everything we’ve done is a joke. Radio is dead and it shouldn’t count as much as it does especially now. We’ll never be rid of it bc $ talks. But we will ALWAYS keep working hard for our boys.
Les guste o no BTS es grande, espectacular y ya pasaron a la historia y su música ha trascendido la toquen o no en la radios don ejemplo de disciplina, esfuerzo y trabajo perseverancia y buena música 🥰👍💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜🇲🇽
Really great video again, I love what you're doing with your channel! It really is like a Magazine with feature articles on different BTS topics. It's such a great idea!!
this video is soo necessary, thanks for making a video about it.
thanks for putting this together, really dedicated of you ! Respect
Damn, I am so proud of myself by chosing BTS as the group that will break my rule to not but original CDs. For 20 years I refused to buy original CDs because nobody represented me until I met BTS. (I only bought 2 artist, 1 of my country and Bubble's xtmas). This was exellent explanación. thanks.
💜 Thank you for this video. I didn't know this. Such a terrible practice! I am proud that BTS and BigHit Entertainment refuse to bribe them and just believe in their own music... You are definitely correct : BTS will remain number one whether these corrupt people like it or not. 💜
I always thought it was only here in South Africa that they hardly play BTS on radio and when they do its only the English songs even when the Korean songs are hits. Thank you for this incredibly informative video
Me too, especially since music channels here started playing more kpop songs (only the popular ones) and marketing their channels using kpop, only to get the engagement and when we give them that engagement they don't even go through with playing them
I would like to say that I just found out your channel. Thank you for treating them with the respect that they deserve. It makes things so much easier as a new army. I appreciate the time and effort taken for this video to be possible. I instantly subscribed. I am happy to have found you. 💜
as a reactor and baby army ive been binging your videos, plz keep them coming! You put so much thought and effort into these and it shows! Borahae! 💜
I am truly surprised how this person explained everything in a easy way . I also know little bit about music industry. Most of the bosses are corrupt and they abuse there power . I don’t hear radio this days . At some point I start to listen I heart radio . It’s pretty cool . You can listen only your favorite artist there if you want . I remember listening bts song on radio couple times . Even in my workplace . I also had an amazing reaction then . I can’t remember exactly which one as I forget things a lot . But I hard at least 2/3 times in my work place . I get annoyed when they keep repeating songs that doesn’t makes me feel any kind of emotions. I feel bored and switch the channel. Playing songs in radio actually doesn’t mean that’s what listeners want . Sometimes no matter how good a song is we want to hear something new and different. I remember radio stations playing “ as it was” every 5/10 minutes. I like that song . But I wanted listen something new at some point . I know I get bored easily with same thing . But I want all good artist to get enough attention. Doing what we love and earning money is not a crime. I think more people should work in bigger positions. So that music industries could be little bit more clean . Lastly not everything usa people does is great . There is some gray side too. If you have the potential plz go become music producer. Power is everything. If you want to change the system you have to be part of it first know their strength and weakness then go against them and change the system. Thing’s really needs to change .
THANK YOU for this video! Loyal to BTS, their music and their way to do it. Proud to be an ARMY 💜
I just wanna bubble wrap them, cant imagine the disappointment they have felt after so long believing this industry in pure feelings
I just found your channel a few days ago and I'm so happy to have a genuine ARMY talking about BTS and the fandom, and being critical in this platform, this is such a gust of fresh air. I love your work, thank you for giving us this corner of CZcams where we can continue the discourse that normally is relegated to posts in our circles in Twitter. This is high quality content from ARMY to ARMY that hopefully will reach more people, I just really appreciate that 💜💜💜💜💜
A huge thank you for sharing this🙏🏻. I was clueless how corrupt radio is. I recently became a BTS fan coz of their amazing talents and it’s sad how they are being treated by these shady people. BTS is my daily happy pill 😍.