SPIRIT (S4E18) Why Jensen Got Pulled Off, Smallville Drivers Ed & Our Prom Stories!
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Smallville goes to prom this week as Tom Welling and Michael Rosenbaum revisit Season 4 Episode 18: SPIRIT… The crown is mine b****…
Michael and Tom share Prom stories, while Ryan defends Lifehouse, and all of us admire the brilliance of Annette O’Toole.
And after a long hiatus, we finally get another call from Al Gough… and it DOES NOT DISAPPOINT!
Timecodes:
0:00 - Intro
1:44 - Spirit
5:35 - Mean Girls did it better?
7:46 - Prom Talk!
9:02 - Incredibly dope car crash
11:15 - Annette O'Toole's eye rolling brilliance
14:02 - Laters
18:20 - Lex Luthor on the drums w/ Lifehouse!
19:47 - Crowns mine b***
22:17 - Betterhelp
23:46 - Interview down unda!
26:45 - Michael's having a tough time
31:27 - Hotline
38:21 - AL GOUGH RETURNS via phone
40:04 - What happened to Jensen Ackles' story
45:08 - Show ratings
45:45 - Ryan’s Favorite Scene
46:30 - Outro
46:56 - Could not do it without YOU
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SPIRIT (S4E18) Why Jensen Got Pulled Off, Smallville Drivers Ed & Our Prom Stories! #talkville #season4 #spirit - Zábava
Thank you so much for having me on the podcast, it was worth staying up until 3.30 AM for the wonderful opporunity and fun conversation. I will be forever grateful and I'm ALWAYS holding on to Smallville! 💞💞💞💞
You were a great guest! I tend to love most of the episodes too. ❤
You were a great guest! Just want to say I also got into Smallville when Season 5 was airing. It was because I saw my dad watching it when I was 8 and he said it’s about Superman as a kid and I loved it ever since!
@Applee17937 You were a delight to watch and listen to.
Love your passion to the show! You were a great guest! That must have been so cool talking to them!
Oh my gosh Appel-El!😃 I remember you from the IMDB message boards! we would always comment and reply to each other. Remember this… Lois_Lane_ROCKS ?😃 What a delight it was to see you in this today!!😊
"The Crown is mine, b***h." the way Tom delivers it absolutely kills me every time. 😂
Long time, no see. What are you ?
@@DarthDread-oh2ne Same ole brotha! How have you been?
Same old.
Tom did just brilliant just as Red K, also with petulant as Tina now with Dawn in lines😂👏
Still my favorite scene of the episode 🤣🤣🤣
Tom: Michael, did you go to prom?
Michael: *war flashbacks*
You kid but PTSD isn’t just something you get from a war or being held hostage, it’s likely Michael may experience some symptoms of it from his childhood. It doesn’t sound like it was a mentally healthy situation for him to grow up around.
It’s great that he got himself out and has a “family” of good friends around him now. Ryan & Tom are keeping his mind in the podcast by not letting him spiral 🌀 too much into his childhood which is what friends do for us sometimes.
@@user-Balthazar669 I know, Michael has talked about his childhood and dysfunctional family on Inside of you a few times
I’m a fan of Inside Of You as well
I love that Al doesn’t sugar coat or defend to the death some of the episodes. He’s realistic and there is a reason behind everything. Makes me love the show and its creators even more. ❤
couldnt agree more
Well said. I have always loved Smallville, and hearing from Al really does make me love & appreciate it more :)
Fun fact: Lifehouse performing at the prom is a throwback to the first episode, when Clark is day dreaming about Lana dancing with him at the end of the episode Lifehouse is playing.
Seem like it was playing when Whitney and Lana last saw each other.
@@KentPetersonmoney It also did yeah.
@@KentPetersonmoneynot really.
Thank you Ryan for acknowledging the iconic “Crown’s mine, bitch” line 🤣 😂
I would've been so mad if nobody thought twice about it haha. It's the most legendary line in Smallville! I thought even Michael might've gotten a kick out of it but that was clearly optimistic; luckily we have Ryan and Karen here to save us, and Tom voted for the correct choice :P
She’s 10000% right, you can never ever skip the opening credits of Smallville. It’s just an unspoken rule.
I've skipped all the intros since Jonathan Kent stopped farting through them.
j/k I do watch a bunch but that was the highlight for sure :P
Loved the moment when Clark looks up at Lois on the stairs... he was mesmerized and the way his eyes lit up and he gulps, taking in her beauty... and I love how they parallel this scene 2 times more in future episodes when they're older. Clark looking at Lois in awe and how incredibly gorgeous she is... is sooo beautiful!
Have to give a shout out to Kristin Kreuk! She is so good at playing ridiculous people! So underrated! Lol Her Dawn impression was perfect! 😂
She was great!
absolutely. 100%
@@TalkVillePodcast It was awesome to hear Ryan appreciate it too! 🙌
"I don't know what you mean!"
@@munozali1 best part for sure! Even the facial reaction was gold! Lol
When Lana and Clark is in a scene with Lifehouse...its pure perfection....
I LOVE hearing Al talk so honestly about things.
Al is the man!
I forgot this episode had two of the most iconic lines in the series :
"Did you pin that on me? A little close to the boob, don’cha think?"
""The Crown is mine, b*"
Yes to both and thank you Ryan for getting Tom to say that!
😂😂
Would have been hilarious if Dawn possessed Lex. Just imagine her trying to put his hair behind his ear and then she realising oh, he has no hair. :D With Michael's acting, I'm sure it would have been a highlight of the episode.
gold 😂
genius!
Clark slapping Chloe and the way she flies off... with real life physics, her head would probably be rolling off in a corner, lol
Since Dawn didn't know Clark had superpowers, maybe she only moved her hand at normal human speed :)
@@jerodastBut Chloe flew!
😂
The thing with Brisby Crosby was that they wanted her to have a bigger role after Swann's death. They even talked about her being the big bad. Among other things, they also wanted her to announce Dr. Swann's death in Smallville, but she didn't want to because she thought it was distasteful. So, she quit the series, and the writers had to scrap a lot of her storylines, which is why they killed her off-screen since the actress didn't even return for her death scene.
Al Gough is likely your best guest as he actually knows what was happening at the time
We are blessed to have gotten two of the most classic lines in Smallville in back to back episodes. Lex with "I am the villain of the story!" and Clark with "The crown's mine b**ch!" 😂😂😂
The Lex line is great. The crown is kinda funny but y'all really are making too much of it imo
Yeah I'm mostly joking around but still iconic because of how out of character it was for Clark to say 😂 @@sino8r499
classics
"'Dad, you have no idea what I'm capable of.'
-Lex Luthor"
-Dwight Schrute
@@sino8r499 I'm sorry, but "The crown's mine, bi**h" is pure gold.
Michael: *tells sad story about his upbringing and not attending prom*
Tom and Ryan: Anyway.......
😅🤣
Reminded me when Loki said “very sad, Anyway” 😂😅
Also Michael: "I think I was alone watching TV" *Tom burst in laughter*
But in all seriousness, I think that's a very good reaction, at least for me. people don't want negative emotions from others, like pitty, when they share stories, they just want to share. if they get the wrong reaction to what they say they might consider twice if it's worth sharing, if people react as if it's not a big deal, like Tom did, I would feel more comfortable. they're not his psychologists, they're his friends and they're having fun in the middle of a podcast. but that's me.
Yeah, I think they know that if they indulge Michael in his spiraling 🌀 into his crappy childhood that he won’t come out of it very quickly.
They try to keep the story moving and his mood positive. It’s very sad how his family treated him and no doubt he has done more than anyone would have ever expected from him and that’s what he has to hang onto, he’s the underdog that rose to the top and now he’s living a life he should be proud to have created for himself. It’s like the Rocky storyline isn’t it?…
lord haha
I'm a therapist. Even with the patient, it is important to welcome and validate the pain, but not to overestimate it. It would give the impression that the situation was greater than the person's ability to respond to it. We are who we are because of our history and what we have made of it. Tom and Ryan seem to really like who Michael is today!
I can't listen to Lifehouse without thinking of Smallville. Clark have been dreaming about this prom since the pilot episode. Clana dancing is one of my favourite scenes of the show ❤️
Annette elevated this episode with her kitchen dance😅, and her overall performance in "Spirit". Episode was very S1 silly left over, but it was fun!
100% commitment made this episode
"I'll let the FBI know." Tom 😂
😂 I just commented about that line! Cracked me up 😂
😂😂😂
Saying S4 plot was all about the crystals, to me is no different than saying S2 was all about the spaceship. after re-watch, pretty sure S4 main plot was not about getting Clark to the FoS, it was about getting Clark to adulthood. it was about growing up and learning what true responsibility means, and self-accountability. In that respect, there really weren't any "filler" eps cuz every ep got Clark one step closer. it's fitting that graduation will be in the season finale.
Clark's journey to adulthood was never filler. Bringing in Lois' entire family was, LOL.
And yeah, the Stones was the overarching season arc. It began in the premiere when Clark found the first stone and it culminated when he formed the FOS in Commencement. Not to mention that the FOS forming IS part of Clark's adulthood because that's when he begins his training (in the comics and movies anyway). The fact that they repeatedly ignored the storyline for secondary stuff doesn't change that.
@Costas22 my point is that the stones were really a plot device, not the narrative spine. if you look at it from that POV then 90% of the "filler" eps for S4 become more important, instead of just stepping stones to the, what - like hour of screen time that the stones got this whole season
@@Costas22there's lots of execution problems in this season. The Lucy ep, if done better, wouldn't have felt like filler, for example. the Spell ep was ridiculous because of how it was edited not for the idea of it, since magic is a part of Superman Canon and it's been done well in tons of other shows. so mostly the filler eps just needed a better budget and they wouldn't have been filler lol
The crystal story seemed unimportant of a competitive treasure hunt , I mean why with the 3 relics?😑 when making to one💎 unlike Superman 1978 movie when had the crystal with has to the FOS was from his crib ship without having to go find them spread out🤷🏻♂️
@jeffh06 well, speculation (confirmed by Al) was that they had intended the season to go different than how it ended up. (as evidenced by the several flip-flop issues w Jason/Lana relationship, and making him a hidden villain towards the end etc) I think we all believed that the crystals were gonna be the main plot point cuz the S4 opener heavily focused on them, like it was a big deal in that ep! as well as a few early eps. but now I see the crystals were just a means to an end and not the actual season plot arc (sorry Costas, I know you think they were the main story!)
but look at how they rushed all the loose ends from the S4 finale! ie: another super-traumatic event happens w Lana and they basically one-line-toss it away. I think it's just one of those things that got detoured cuz that's how network shows work sometimes 🤷♀️
"Crown's mine b*tch" amazing line 😂 World's collide, it just so happens the Talkville prom episode lands on the same week as my actual prom! I absolutely loved Anette's performance as a snobby teenager and the ending scene with Clark and Lana dancing to Lifehouse. Thank you guys for having Al on again and for another episode ❤️
Yes!! 😂That line made the episode for me.
Clark pushed Chloe SO hard but yet she jumped up afterwards without any problems, he would have broken her spine. I loved the Clarke & Lana scene dancing it was so sweet.
That is something that I find funny on the one hand, but I also accept it while watching Smallville (and other shows where these type of things happen), on the other hand. Mere humans (ie, no powers, etc.) tend to get thrown around/ knocked out, and only sometimes these humans end up being seriously injured, etc. It does not bother me, because I accept it as a part of the story-telling/ special effects, but I do allow myself to have a good laugh, at the same time :)
@@kerenolivero7097 It is funny on the one hand that Clark would routinely break people's spines with one hand :D
I absolutely love Al Gough and how he commits to these talks.
Loved it
I like how Ryan effectively tricked Tom into saying "the crown's mine, bitch" during Ryan's Favorite Scene.
Lol t shirt idea: Lex, Clark, and Pete all in a circle in a comic strip.
Lex: I'm the villain of the story *wears a crown*
Pete: Damn... who's that?
*Clark grabs crown*: the crowns mine bitch!
I like how Tom says early on that he won't say "The crown's mine, bitch" again but then says it during Ryan's Favorite Scene segment 😂
You just have to feel the moment haha.
“Did you pin that on me? A little close to the boob, don’cha think?”😂🤣😂
Yes! I'm glad someone mentioned that! Good one, Lois...😂
@@misfitrosetarot and the way she turns towards him to show him as she said that, absolutely hilarious!😂😂😂 Erica Durance and her Lois Lane freaking rock!😄
@@oldhollywoodfan8009 Yes! I couldn't agree more 😅❤️
Hilarious!!😂😂
@@appleel7937 😂 I’m still so surprised about this IMDb reunion!!😄
I foresee a black 1967 Impala in Jensen's near future...
"Carry on, my wayward son..."
The end part of this episode when they're at the dance turn the music is playing is one of my favorite parts of Smallville ever
Surprised to see the guys enjoy "Spirit" enough or at least have some fun with everyone playing Dawn! Thanks for another awesome call with Al! Nice to hear some PROM stories! Big mention for Tom's incredible scenes as Clark with all the leading ladies: Lana, Chloe, Lois & Martha! Huge shout-out for LIFEHOUSE! Sad to learn that Tom didn't get to meet them. Congratulations To KarenApple M!
P.S. Celebrating 13 years since The Series Finale Of SMALLVILLE aired this week, and wishing Tom, Michael & Ryan the best of luck for the first TALK VILLE Live Events in Los Angeles next week!
"That crowns mine b**ch" has to be one of Smallvilles epic lines! I laughed out loud 😂😂😂 please tell me there's bloopers from that scene! I would definitely not be able to make it through that scene with a straight face! 😂😂 I totally forgot about the band lighthouse until I heard them start to play.
Tom was saying about Denzel Washington's film Fallen (1998). Rly good movie.
ah, you beat me to it. i posted it and then checked if anyone else did already. one of my favourite noir/horror mashups. instantly recognized it when Tom made his reference.
I thought the movie was "Shocker", but maybe that's too old? It's from the 80's, I think.
@@munozali1 never saw it. written and directed by legendary Wes Cravenm gotta check it out :D
@@munozali1 With the theme song 'no more mr nice guy' by Megadeth? What a call back.
Looking for this. Never saw it, but a friend described the crowd scene to me years ago. Haunting.
My mom and I constantly reference the "Sue Ann Gardner is a hoe" line all the time lmao. Annette's delivery just cracks me up. 🤣
amazing!!!
🌹🌹🌹PRICELESS! The look on Clark's face when he walks in on his mother jamming in the kitchen lmao🤣🤣🤣 the entire exchange and then Lois walks in so they can both reject each other as prom dates omfg too cute!
He walked in on his mom getting jammed in the kitchen ? wtf I have to check this episode back again..I didn’t think they would show Martha getting f***ed on Smallville 🤷♂️
and don't think I didn't notice that when he zings her she looks amused, but when she zings him back he looks hurt (for a second!)
@@asyouwish3636 Yeah, and later when "possessed' Lois says he's taking her to the prom and Clark says, remembering her earlier jab, "Lois, wasn't this not in the realm of possibilities?" He looked still dejected there too. Its great to see when Tom can shift a variety of conflicting emotions on his face within a few seconds. I think Clark really believes at this point that Lois would never be romantically interested in him, and we can see those small moments of hurt on his face like here, and in the Lucy episode. He doesn't realize yet that Lois hides her surfacing feelings for him behind sarcasm and denial. Of course, they're both in denial at this time really. Just sometimes their expressions can give the truth away.
@lilacmist04 YESSS and there's so many tiny almost subliminal details over the years, and even not so tiny like when Lois was the first person he "leapt over a tall building in single bound" with! lol... i mean like he was on Red K for 3 months, as a 16yr old on his own in a big city, w tons of money and a hot girl every night and still chose not to have sex (which proves Red K isn't just a simple drug effect) and yet when on Red K w Lois he chose to reveal his abilities. (sidenote, his not having sex back then I'm convinced is an example of my theory that the writers would create a random plot point and then write whole episodes or storylines to fit it in, ie: they really wanted Clark/Lana to lose virginity to each other, which is why Clark conveniently didn't have sex all the times he was on Red K, not to mention Lana living w an older man for months. etc)
also, YESSS Tom's ability to speak volumes w just a look is fantastic! there's a really quick scene in S9 Pandora where He and Lois have an entire conversation w out speaking a word, just a 2 second look. love it!
@@asyouwish3636 Agree! And some of my favorite moments with Tom and Erica's Clark and Lois come from their eye and facial acting! They both can express so much to each other with just expressions. Its great now and it's AMAZING in later seasons when Clark and Lois are fully falling in love!
I'm from Australia, and Michael is indeed trying to say "Nah" 😂
karen just makes you smile 😊 finally a good karen 😂
Karen was wonderful. Right after I was getting cranky at Michael for being such a crank even about THE MOST EPIC LINE IN SMALLVILLE, she comes along and just shares the joy :)
I LOVED this episode! It’s so funny and fun! I love when Smallville gets campy, it’s fresh like when Lois came in. But seeing them as this snarky valley girl blonde type was EPIC 😂
Some of the funniest lines of the WHOLE SHOW!
If y’all make a shirt with the line “Crown’s mine, b*tch!” I will buy that! Make it pink. 😆
Annette in this episode is gold. This just shows her incredible range that she can do such emotional scenes and then in an episode like this be a ridiculous teenager
Also, Tom triggering the balloons and confetti again 🤣🤣🤣 I love how amused you are by that!
I loved Smallville,it's my best series of all time.Old is gold.
I think this one call to Al just put to rest SO many rumors that were going around the fandom for YEARS lol, we finally find out the truth!
Sure he did :P Executives always tell the whole truth about situations that they'd prefer stay behind closed doors...
Teenage Annette was a blast to watch. Interesting thing of note, Margot Kidder's Bridgette Crosby was killed off because she quit the show for not wanting to do a scene where she announced Christopher Reeve's (Dr. Swan's) death.
@@chuckles9767 Yes it was in an interview that Kidder did around that time. She was supposed to have a scene were she told Clark about his death. She felt they were using Reeve's death to get publicity so she left.
Respect
Guess late Margot was deeply upset when chris passed away💔 makes sense👍 not wanna return which is why her Bridget Crosby character got killed off👍
I know Talkville doesn't love when people have other personalities, but I love it. There's always something that you can tell the actor has fun with. Imagine doing the same character for hours a day and weeks at a time. It must be nice to mix it up.
Yes exactly, Kristin especially too because Lana is just a damsel in distress character by design so mixing it up is probably the highlight of her season…
Did you know for this song performance Lifehouse changed the lyrics to, instead of "this clock has never seemed so alive" they say "has CLARK never seemed so alive". Love this show. Little details everywhere.
Also Clark's, Seriously Mr. Kent, you can't stop me 🙄 🤣🤣
LOVE Lifehouse. ❤️
And Lana’s dress at prom was gorgeous.
Been waiting all season for Al Gough to be called. When he comes on and breaks down the behind the scenes stuff, it’s always interesting and very insightful
Kristin, Martha and Allison acting were the best, the ending scene with Clana is iconic and beautiful, the Clark’s dream in the pilot comes true
My Wednesday morning bus commute is made so much better with these episodes. They always drop right before I get on.
Wouldn’t receive your Wednesday fix without a call to Al Gough.
21:05 I paid for a Cameo from Tom to say “The Crown’s Mine, Bitch” a few years ago so if you wanna hear him say it again, let me know! 😂👑
Yeah thanks I don't need to revisit the cameo you bought of Tom Welling telling me that I'm not nearly as cool as you are. My psyche is damaged enough!
@@blakecurry3880 of course you do! It was the best $$$ I ever spent!!!!! 🤣🤣🤣
@@TheCrystalBelle Not even the first time someone has taken a celebrity I hold near and dear and had them destroy me.
Why does this keep happening!? 😅
@@blakecurry3880 because you’re the worst! 🤣😜
@@TheCrystalBelle Well, I'm German, so technically you're supposed to say I'm the wurst, but I expect nothing less from someone from whom the crown doesn't even belong to!
Can we just appreciate how perfect (more than usual) Lana looks (dress, hair, makeup) when she appears at the prom, cued perfectly with the music and lyrics in the background.
I haven't seen the episode for over 15 years but I think I remember Lana/Kristen inhaling/exhaling deeply when looking in to Clark's eyes.
I loved every time Lifehouse played on Smallville. The music in Smallville was always top notch
Lifehouse is an amazing band. Incredibly underrated.
I rate this episode a 1 rose! I think we need t-shirts with Cark saying "The crown's mine bitch" 😂
Here! Here!
I’d wear that shirt!!!
@@user-Balthazar669 Me too😂
Spirit was a ridiculous but hilarious episode. Poor Chloe ending up a sad Prom queen
Love how open and honest AL was talking about the show. Love behind the scenes knowledge like that !
Loved our Australian guest! So fun listening to her discover Smallville
The Jonathan beatings will continue until Michael quits shitting on the show.
Annette Knocked it out of the park. One of my favorite scenes in the series,
I've seen Smallville around 15 times and still cry.
Tom's 'flexing', then "Walked right in to that shit" was hilarious.
The final scene with Clark and Lana's dance is so beautiful and iconic for all of us Smallville lovers♥️. Tom and Kristin dance beautiful and unforgettable, to the tune of You And Me by Lifehouse♥️. This song is in the player on my phone as well as all the best Smallville songs.♥️♥️♥️
Oh man. Nowhere is there a clearer demonstration of how little patience Michael has for anything outside his preference zone than how fast he sped through the "crown's mine, bitch!" scene description while Ryan and Tom were laughing at it. I keep thinking, for someone who likes crappy horror movies as much as he does I'd think he'd at least be able to put aside the silly and/or boring stuff in this episode and enjoy a historically crazy line like that.
I’m always watching the opening credit of Smallville doesn’t matter how many times I’ve seen the series never gets old also crazy how Smallville isn’t on Netflix
I was really looking forward to this episode cause Annette as Dawn is just hysterical!!! Loved Al's insight 🧡 Also, Tom getting balloons and stuff to appear on his screen was HILARIOUS 😂
Really awesome that Al takes the time to answer the call then hang around and chat.
Loved the call with Al. Hearing him talk about the show is always interesting and insightful. I hope you guys get Jensen on before the season ends. I would love to hear what he has to say about this time on "Smallville."
If Jensen isn't on for one of the last two episodes I WILL BURN THIS PODCAST TO THE GROUND.
Clark;s "The crown's mine bitch." is what makes this episode three roses. 10/10 line, and 10/10 delivery. No notes.
I can’t tell you how excited we (me and my sisters) were when Lana and Clark danced at the end. We listened to “You and Me” the entire summer after that.
I still ship Clark and Lana 😭
The prom dance sequence between Clark and Lana is one of the BEST scenes of the series! In the pilot episode Clark was dreaming of dancing with Lana to Lifehouse's music the night of the prom. In 'Spirit' they were both secretly dreaming of going to their senior prom together and their dream got realized dancing to Lifehouse's music 😍 Such a magical and full circle moment! ❤️💫
Lana's hair is AWESOME at the prom too
Everything but Clark liking Lighthouse so much, is perfect.
My husband and I just binged all 10 seasons again for the 5th time. It's my #1 favorite comic related series. Still holds up to this day. My 15 yr old daughter is absolutely gushing over the show.
16:44 lol Erica charmed it, as Lois over a complaint with a stupid allergist bill when trying too get treatment for dog allergies😂
This was my favorite scene EVER with Annette O'Toole dancing . . . it was priceless.
Yeah I enjoyed the scene too but felt a bit uncomfortable with it at same time because I at the time didn’t expect to be looking at Mrs. Kent like that, she was sexy, voluptuous and kinda slutty! This was my first MILF experience but not even close to my last… Annette was and is so sexy!
The whole cast looked great dolled up but Erica’s cleavage stole every scene she appeared in and the gorgeous eyes.
Hilarious episode. Martha as a teenaged girl was so funny. The story line with Bridget Crosby and Jason what a twist. But that one scene I always remembered growing up is that scene with Clark and Lana dancing to Lifehouse. The chemistry between Clark and Lana is euphoric and hits you with a hard dose of nostalgia 🎉😅
Fellow Class of 2005'er here.
Smallville followed the trajectory of my life so closely.
I was a freshman in high school when the show premiered, and in the first season, Clark Kent is a freshman in high school.
"Commencement" aired 12 days before my high school graduation ceremony.
The season five episode in which Clark Kent starts college aired a few weeks after my first day of college.
And by the end of the series, Clark worked at the Daily Planet -- and by that time, I was working for a newspaper! :)
And now you're a superhero! It all fits! :P j/k that is cool you went into journalism. I felt the same way about Harry Potter coming out one book per year for the first 3 years when I was in middle school, except then the movies started and Rowling's writing pace slowed down, and it turned out the whole thing was set in the 80s or something, and I did not grow up to be a wizard...
The reason Margot Kidder didnt come back is, as i remember it, she was upset how the show used Christopher Reeve's death in the show and felt it was exploitative.
I dont agree with that sentiment but that was apparently the reason she was killed off so abruptly.
Where we are fans of Christopher, she probably loved him as a friend and for her it hit very different.
Yeah to be honest I think she was probably a) in grief herself and I won't blame her for any opinions she had about the whole event, and b) overestimating any promotional relevance there would've been about Margot Kidder talking about a character named Dr. Swann. Getting Christopher Reeve on the show in the FIRST place was the "exploitation" of his stature, which he was happy to do; killing off his character when he died is just naturally how TV writing works (and so is having the one other character closely associated with him be the one to bring the news)
Honestly it was Kristin that made me start watching Smallville, I was 16 when I watched the first episode and seeing her at the age was like 😍, but then the story hooked me, with the music they used and then being that age you connect with Clark and Lex because you’re trying to figure out who you are and also dealing with what people think about you before even knowing you. I was basically growing up with Clark, I was around the same age so i just connected with it and it was an escape and safe space to just be myself. Once I connected emotionally it just became a part of my life that I continue to enjoy. Thanks for doing this, it’s nice to look back and remember the first time you watched each episode and the feelings that come with it. Keep up the good work. Also meeting both of you, Kristin and Erica was the best, all of you were super nice and I appreciate it.
If Rosey had been in my school. If he had asked i would have said yes. He wouldn't have needed a limo or a super fancy tux. Just a normal suit.
Annette slayed this episode, absolutely amazing actress
I love seeing the Patreons and hearing their positivity. It’s so refreshing from the toxic division so pervasive on social media.
I LOVE OUR AUSTRALIAN FAMILY MEMBER! OPTIMISM! That truly IS the secret ingredient to the show. Hope.
Agreed❤😊
Yeah I'm an Aussie too, I was in my 30s when Smallville aired and it was just light and lots of fun, plus I love Superman. I'm a bit of a romantic too, so the music and Lana and Clark dancing was nice.
It really is amazing that they're regularly able to wrangle Al & Miles onto the show!
Just need to keep scheduling podcast filming for when Al is in a cab :)
This episode delivered some of the funniest moments of the show and great performances from the actors. I still quote "Crown's mine b*tch" daily lol
I love this episode, and I really love Kandyse (Candice) McClure. Had the chance to sit and chat with her a bit after a convention and she was the absolute sweetest person. This is just a fun episode, and we can always use more fun episodes!
It was soooo weird to see her in this after recently finishing a rewatch of BSG. (Hollywood North strikes again!) First, the age difference, second the complete 180 in tone from the end of her character arc on BSG to this episode haha. Also, it was like....come on man, it's Dee from BSG, and you couldn't even make her more than a SIDEKICK of the freak of the week, what are you doing _Smallville?_ But then again Dawn's actress didn't actually appear for very long so maybe she got the better end of the deal :)
Karen was so delightful! The patrons really add some happy energy to things. Fun episode!
We definitely need Let’s Call Al shirt.
I second that.
"Better Call Al" 😆
Michael actually did a really good job of saying "no" with an Australian accent. Saying "yeah nah" is obviously also very Aussie but the way Michael said no was pretty spot on
I thought I didn't think much of this episode--half a rose for Annette as teen and for Chloing seen krytponite at work--until the Lifehouse scene with Clark asking Lana to dance made me weep. Their love was so intense and both Tom and Kristen did such a brilliant job of acting it out--on their faces!
I was the guy that called in about not going to prom because of this episode. No we did not eventually get together, I ended up enlisting in the Marines then went to Columbia and am now in law school, but still single :') at least never divorced!
Keep it up man! The person for you is out there.
I try not to be super negative, but I noticed this episode that there were multiple times where Michael kind of talked over someone, cut them off, or started a new message before the other person was finished answering the previous question, etc. I’m not sure if it’s the editing or just Michael, but it comes off as a little rude and interrupts the flow. Just my input that probably won’t reach anyone. Sincerely, a loyal listener.
Yeah I noticed this too but usually chalk it up to Michael being over stimulated, he gets hyped and doesn’t necessarily listen to others when he starts talking. Someone usually comments that they don’t know why Michael doesn’t know what happened in the episode if he’s recently watched it, it’s because he’s probably doing two other things at the same time. His mind is already 5-6 minutes ahead of where we are in the podcast…
Yeah playing a caller over Ryan in this episode was a real bad one. But this is a pretty common issue for him. It's partly getting really impatient to move on because he can't stand the campy parts of the show, and partly focus issues and trying to keep the podcast on pace. He doesn't seem to realize you can be pretty damn critical of a show and still let yourself enjoy parts of it, kind of like I'm doing with his behavior on the podcast right now.
Interesting thing of note: with the prom centric episode, it should have been mentioned that before this bit part on Smallville, Kandyse McClure (who plays a minion of Dawn) had the role of Sue Snell in Bryan Fuller’s tv production of Stephen King’s Carrie (that was a stealth tv pilot that didn’t get picked up). And also, Kandyse is currently starring on Netflix’s Virgin River with Annette O’Toole!
Al is back, thats great 43:19 and Tom is playing with the balloons again :D
I loved the prom scene, Lana looked amazing and the Lifehouse song was beautiful
"mixing magic and super powers" is exactly what kind of made the DC and even MCU cool in my opinion. Obviously we get magic later on with Zatana and in a way you could say season 4 was a precursor to all of that.
Wednesday morning - my fav part of the week because of you, guys! The best podcast EVER!
Here! Here!
Totally agree!
Thanks guys, and Karen.
My class didn't have a high school prom, we saved money and spent 3 days having a party at a student's parents' farm, we invited families, teachers, boyfriends, it was really good! Barbecue, football game! At night people were telling horror stories! My time in high school was very perfect, our class is still friends today!
Well gooood for you :P
It's funny when the guys complain about not having recurring high school characters, because Clark doesn't really seem to be close to his high school class at all - he spends way over half his time doing distinctly not high school things haha. It's not a huge surprise we wouldn't have seen Dawn before other than like, in the stands at a football game or something.
Tom trying the Aussie accent is hilarious 😂😂
I agree w Tom, it did feel like the editing was off. the Lex/Jason sequence not only felt like it belonged in a diff ep, but even the look/cinematography was different. could be a Directorial decision, or more likely was actually out of place cuz of episode timing
That’s interesting the guest said that, because I also never skipped the intro and “save me”
Yes!!! You HAVE to soak up Remy Zero and SAVE ME in the intro each time.....no skipping the intro 😂😂
I watched it live on tv each week and even sat through the adverts so as to not miss a second of an episode…
Let's go boys, give us some inside stories
I love how now that Tom figured out what ✌🏼 does on facetime he did it on purpose for the balloons and confetti lol I laughed so hard
Can we also talk about how Martha Kent was singing Ashlee Simpson's song Lala: "..I'll be your french maid when I meet you at the door. I'm like an alley cat; drink the milk up, I want more" is hilarious and disturbing! What a song choice! Didn't Billy die in season 3 when that ancient cheerleader sucked up his youth (Redux)? Why did Dawn kill herself though? That would mean she would always be swapping and never be able to touch anyone, forever! Tbh Smallville started in 2001 and I was in high school so I very much grew up with Clark!
Yeah Billy Durden was definitely the same actor who died at the bottom of the pool from having his youth sucked from him after kissing Chrissy (in Season 2 "Redux")
I also always wondered why Dawn killed her own body in the hospital! Messed up...
@@inTWelligent Thank you! I thought I was confusing him. We don't see him again though so I guess the electricity was the final nail in the coffin lol!
I guess we could chalk it up to Dawn being impulsive and not too smart but it felt like an obviously dumb move while watching
Yeah I don't think Dawn thought through the implications of not being able to touch anyone again. But I understand the shallow/crazy impulse; she can "be" anyone now so why be a *gasp* horribly scarred person. Hell, she can keep hopping into each new senior class's prom queen every year for eternity!
If you want to pretend this episode had any moral statement attached to it, it's that Dawn was extremely shallow and willing to use people, and this is what comes of those traits.
@@jerodast Oh yeah! I forgot about the scarred part! You're right. Moral was she was shallow and vapid and karma got her in the end
I liked this episode. I know it was high school centered but I still think there was some progress to the storyline.
Annete playing Dawn was so hilarious, she really committed to the scene.
I love Lifehouse songs, I listen to them to this day.
I will give this episode 🌹 and a half.
When Tom mentioned the scary body-jumping movie, aside from Fallen, I thought it might be Shocker (Wes Craven, 1989) or The First Power (Robert Resnikoff, 1990).