ONYX (S4E17) Meet the Villain of the Story, Keeping the Mask & Tapping Into Evil

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    This week we get introduced to the villain of the story as Tom Welling and Michael Rosenbaum revisit Smallville Season 4 Episode 17: ONYX!
    Michael takes us behind the scenes into his process for giving Lex an evil arch in this episode, sharing how he went above and beyond evil in certain scenes.
    We also find where the mask has been hiding all these years and even get a ‘Damn Who’s That’ moment in this episode.
    Timecodes:
    0:00 - Intro
    1:54 - Onyx
    4:40 - Michael’s method to Lex’s madness
    9:15 - Evil ambiguity
    11:50 - Taking the Mask home
    15:04 - AG1
    17:02 - Bad Dad is back!?
    20:02 - Damn who’s that?!?
    22:45 - VILLAIN OF THE STORY!!!
    25:30 - Love for Morris Chapdelaine
    29:10 - Twice a Luthor always a Luthor
    31:15 - Betterhelp
    32:50 - HE MAKES US SAY BUTTS!
    36:05 - Exploring Lex’s descent into villainy
    40:20 - Protective range for performance
    43:00 - Series favorites
    45:05 - Scott’s Tots + Kryptonsite
    47:06 - Hotline
    48:30 - Suppressing evil
    52:15 - Stepping up to the plate
    54:00 - Bros before Love Triangles
    1:00:25 - Show ratings
    1:02:00 - Ryan’s Favorite Scene
    1:04:10 - Outro
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    ONYX (S4E17) Meet the Villain of the Story, Keeping the Mask & Tapping Into Evil #smallville #talkville #season4 #onyx
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  • @Costas22
    @Costas22 Před měsícem +284

    "You were right about me all along, Mr Kent. I am the villain of the story".
    Fucking epic.

    • @KingGoku32794
      @KingGoku32794 Před měsícem +22

      Imo Michael Rosenbaum is the Best Lex Luthor ever

    • @Profess84
      @Profess84 Před měsícem +7

      My favorite line in season 4.

    • @passionsquietrage
      @passionsquietrage Před měsícem

      Wasn't it Mrs. Kent not Mr. Kent?

    • @ace360
      @ace360 Před měsícem

      Just Legendary🌹🌹🌹💙❤️🤘

    • @jdzspace33
      @jdzspace33 Před měsícem +1

      Not epic, iconic, franchise defining, just everything

  • @LiLisa24
    @LiLisa24 Před měsícem +182

    “I am the villain of the story.” ❤ One of the best episodes of Smallville!! All the awards and roses to Michael Rosenbaum!! ❤️❤️❤️

    • @asyouwish3636
      @asyouwish3636 Před měsícem +6

      And so great that he plays Evil Lex w such nuance in the beginning! I love that our first experience w him, we don't fully know if we're dealing w the good or evil Lex yet at that point 👏

    • @ace360
      @ace360 Před měsícem +3

      Just Legendary! 🎆👏

    • @matthewsainsbury1801
      @matthewsainsbury1801 Před měsícem +1

      its a Great line lex/mic used i agree with you on that

    • @Archie2c
      @Archie2c Před měsícem +1

      That line was the culmination Michael owned it it's my favorite line from the whole series.

  • @JPDarkHeart02
    @JPDarkHeart02 Před měsícem +102

    Lionel's "We're Luthors" line is criminally underrated.

  • @noahbrewster8263
    @noahbrewster8263 Před měsícem +29

    I love how Tom is now a fan of the show.
    I met him at Mega Con in 2019 and asked him what his favorite season of the show was. He said “I don’t remember it much, but probably season 1.” It’s neat to see that change now.

  • @jessicab9800
    @jessicab9800 Před měsícem +70

    How amazing the "I am the villain of the story" is… THIS "You can’t kill me! I drive you! I give you life meaning! I’m your soul, you weak, pathetic little man!" = WOW. Felt it in my bones!!

    • @Superwolf22
      @Superwolf22 Před měsícem +5

      I was hoping this would be one of Ryan’s favorite scenes! It was just way too epic! So Powerful!!

    • @aldunlop4622
      @aldunlop4622 Před měsícem +3

      Yeah, where is this sort of thing in modern shows? Too interested in...other things shall we say.

    • @TalkVillePodcast
      @TalkVillePodcast  Před měsícem +17

      epic

    • @ace360
      @ace360 Před měsícem +3

      Legendary line from a Legendary Episode 💙❤️🤘

    • @ainsley8863
      @ainsley8863 Před měsícem +3

      I agree... one of favorite lines in the whole series.

  • @gazmendsal5054
    @gazmendsal5054 Před měsícem +101

    ".. you can't kill me! I drive you! .. i`m your soul you weak pathetic little man!.. i am the real Lex Luthor!" epic moment too

    • @TheDestroyerX
      @TheDestroyerX Před měsícem +5

      Of my favorite line of the show

    • @davidyuste1956
      @davidyuste1956 Před měsícem

      That's right, a lot of memorable quotes in this episode.

  • @SmilingDahliaFlower-uq9ko
    @SmilingDahliaFlower-uq9ko Před měsícem +24

    I know there are a few bomb episodes this season but Run, Transference and Onyx in one season is amazing

  • @Aven9er
    @Aven9er Před měsícem +42

    ryan's favorite scene for spirit needs to be when clark says "crown's mine bitch." I still laugh when I think about that line till this day.

    • @MShaiqable
      @MShaiqable Před měsícem +4

      hahahahahhaha!!! Him and Annette's performances in that episode

    • @Maxineshawattyatlaw
      @Maxineshawattyatlaw Před měsícem +4

      Still my favorite out of character Clark line. 😂

    • @ashleyryan1
      @ashleyryan1 Před měsícem

      Yes that was pretty awesome to see that come out of Clark

    • @victoriachannell8251
      @victoriachannell8251 Před 29 dny +2

      I love spirit, so hilarious 🤣🤣 genius!

    • @jerodast
      @jerodast Před 26 dny

      It's the best line of the series haha. No other line has entertained me more :P

  • @josephtingley654
    @josephtingley654 Před měsícem +14

    Definitely one of my favorite episodes. That "I am the villain of the story" line gives me chills, every time.

  • @encycl07pedia-
    @encycl07pedia- Před měsícem +13

    You can tell Chase is a real Smallville fan. I'm glad you're bringing on Patrons for this.

    • @chasemcgee8501
      @chasemcgee8501 Před měsícem +8

      Absolutely, I am!

    • @encycl07pedia-
      @encycl07pedia- Před měsícem +2

      ​@@chasemcgee8501 I loved seeing your Superman collection. Stay awesome, Chase!

  • @jonathancastro3106
    @jonathancastro3106 Před měsícem +10

    Love the ending: "We're Luthors, we're Luthors" and the mild smile on Lex's face.

  • @Russkafin
    @Russkafin Před měsícem +31

    11:02 - "Wouldn't it have been fun for Bad Lex to meet up with Red K Clark?" Fanficiton writers everywhere are taking to their keyboards as we speak

    • @RedK5
      @RedK5 Před 24 dny

      I hope so

    • @RayNotCharles
      @RayNotCharles Před 7 dny

      I feel like they technically act on this potential with the season 10 episodes Luthor and Kent. Clark is still super and from Krypton, but was found by Lionel in the field rather than Jonathan and Martha. And Lionel ended up turning him into a bad person. He didn’t even need Red K. He had Lionel’s parental upbringing

  • @DanKeeleyMusic
    @DanKeeleyMusic Před měsícem +40

    This episode is Rosie at his finest. What a performance! Top 5 episodes of the entire series.

  • @jkhoover
    @jkhoover Před měsícem +29

    "I AM THE VILLAIN OF THE STORY!!!"
    I've been waiting for this episode! I love that quote! It needs to be on merch.

  • @JoeSelf1982
    @JoeSelf1982 Před měsícem +61

    Next week Ryan’s favorite scene has to be teenager Martha.
    Annette was the MVP for sure.

    • @MrCrazychristian86
      @MrCrazychristian86 Před měsícem +14

      Oh, yeah. It's one of the funniest scenes in the whole show.

    • @t.brannan6940
      @t.brannan6940 Před měsícem

      Don’t forget “The crown’s mine, bitch!” I love that scene.

    • @TalkVillePodcast
      @TalkVillePodcast  Před měsícem +11

      we will see

    • @kathybeardmore8942
      @kathybeardmore8942 Před měsícem +10

      I think clark taking the crown off of Chloe

    • @JoeSelf1982
      @JoeSelf1982 Před měsícem +2

      @@kathybeardmore8942 Great choice. Lots of cheese to choose from here.

  • @misoboskovic
    @misoboskovic Před měsícem +23

    Onyx was a turning point for Lex. Great performance as always, by Michael. He is Lex. Nobody comes close.

  • @rebeccaoleary3318
    @rebeccaoleary3318 Před měsícem +13

    Michael your acting was truly incredible in this episode.

  • @Costas22
    @Costas22 Před měsícem +42

    Don't know if Bryce's trivia will cover it, but this is the 3rd episode in a row where Lex gets pistol whipped. LOL.
    Oh and there's a deleted scene in the DVD of evil Lex killing the security guard that Chloe finds.

  • @GeminiWolfstarGaming
    @GeminiWolfstarGaming Před měsícem +10

    I find it interesting that Tom's favorite classic literature is The Count of Monte Cristo, given the nature of Onyx having a direct correlation to The Man in the Iron Mask. Both books were penned by Alexandre Dumas.

  • @thedefinitionisthis
    @thedefinitionisthis Před měsícem +8

    “You we’re right about me all along, Mr. Kent… I am the villain of the story” has gotta be a top 5 or top 10 quote from the series. Easily one of my fave eps of the season and series overall.

  • @leannepritchett6323
    @leannepritchett6323 Před měsícem +19

    The ONLY Lex saying one of the most iconic lines ever ❤️❤️🙏.

    • @ace360
      @ace360 Před měsícem +2

      Victory The Legendary Quote 🎇🤘

    • @encycl07pedia-
      @encycl07pedia- Před měsícem +1

      "'Dad, you have no idea what I'm capable of.'
      -Lex Luthor"
      -Dwight Schrute

  • @Imthebestest1984
    @Imthebestest1984 Před měsícem +5

    33:56 That was me, who gave that light to you Tom at Indianapolis Comic Con. It's a lithophane that I designed and made myself on my 3D printer. I already made one for Michael though. Just haven't seen him again yet.

    • @IamBatman.1939
      @IamBatman.1939 Před 25 dny

      So cool man! Do you happen to sell some of them ?

    • @Imthebestest1984
      @Imthebestest1984 Před 25 dny +1

      @@IamBatman.1939 I designed it, and had a guy help me build out the 3d model. So its basically a 3D print with 1 LED light strip on the inside. I will see about publishing the files online so people can download them cheap and build them their selves. I might end up building some extra ones and selling them. If I do, Ill come back and let you know.

  • @keishahill9496
    @keishahill9496 Před měsícem +11

    "You were right about me all along, Mr. Kent, I am the villain of the story" best fkn line EVER and Michael you CRUSHED it ❤❤

  • @HannibalPOV
    @HannibalPOV Před měsícem +21

    Top 5 episode from season 4.
    1 - Commencement
    2 - Transference
    3 - Onyx
    4 - Run
    5 - Crusade

    • @silver2therescue1
      @silver2therescue1 Před měsícem +4

      excellent picks, all great episodes

    • @lifeisberserk9566
      @lifeisberserk9566 Před měsícem +3

      Commencement is my favorite episode of the show and one of my favorite episodes of all time

  • @redlox2
    @redlox2 Před měsícem +20

    I also like how self aware or at least aknowledge dark lex is. One of my favorite lines is “I am the villain of this story!”

  • @daschawk
    @daschawk Před měsícem +6

    One of my absolute favorite episodes in ten seasons. All of the comic references blew my mind at the time (the kryptonite ring, black k, etc etc) and of course: "I am the villain of the story". Years later, I will always remember that line. Wonderful acting from everyone all around.

  • @tylerjames676
    @tylerjames676 Před měsícem +7

    This was the first episode of Smallville I ever watched back in the day. When Lex dropped the lab on Clark, and Clark stood up from the rubble like it was nothing --- that moment will always stick with me. Great episode.

  • @vadernoe2126
    @vadernoe2126 Před měsícem +11

    Love how Lex brought Lionel back to the Dark side

  • @tranquilk5912
    @tranquilk5912 Před měsícem +7

    1:03:02 i like when Bryce gets to speak during the talkville podcasts even if he isn't on camera honestly

  • @johnwells5414
    @johnwells5414 Před měsícem +8

    With Lana saying she’s also sorry, I read that as this: Lana knows that it wasn’t “Lex”, but she realizes it was a part of Lex that was still acting out what he wants. He’s was uninhibited, and she’s sorry that she doesn’t view him as anything other than a friend. Even when Lana and Lex get together in the future, I never got the impression that Lana actually loved Lex.

  • @amitkumar77172
    @amitkumar77172 Před měsícem +7

    One of, if not the best Lex episodes. We finally got the iconic line. But the one thing that stood out to me was the final scene with Lex and Lionel. The line "A man can't deny his true nature, can he Lex?" and the slow evil smirk Lex has after Lionel says "We're Luthors"... SO EPIC! Damn near perfect episode imo.

  • @nickhydier1201
    @nickhydier1201 Před měsícem +15

    This is without a doubt perhaps Lex's most iconic episode in the series. Showing both his good and evil side together on screen. Rosey played this duality to a tee. So brilliantly giving the evil Lex such cunning, menance and charm that was so fun to watch. And of course the iconic line: "You were right about me all along Mr. Kent, I am the villian of the story." Always still gives me chills hearing it.😀😀😀🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏❤❤❤❤❤❤

    • @jeromyframe1930
      @jeromyframe1930 Před měsícem +2

      Second most. Very iconic but second to descent. This is a top 10 episode of the series

    • @nickhydier1201
      @nickhydier1201 Před měsícem +2

      @@jeromyframe1930 Agreed. Fair spot for it. Descent from season 7 is also a great one.

  • @garyhall2770
    @garyhall2770 Před měsícem +13

    The best thread on Krypton site was "where the hell is Shelby?"

  • @Costas22
    @Costas22 Před měsícem +59

    Onyx is so pivotal. Like many other S4 episodes, it has little to do with the main arc, but from a character standpoint, it's damn huge. It's the first clear look at the evil inside Lex and the inner turmoil that he lives with. It's also a confirmation of his feelings for Lana. In a way, it's the episode that kickstarts the events of season 5 (Lex turning to the dark side, pursuing Lana, being at odds with Clark).
    And Rosenbaum's acting throughout is so brilliant. From the way he portrayed the 2 Lexes to that little smirk at the end when Lionel said "We are Luthors". Take a bow, Michael.

    • @asyouwish3636
      @asyouwish3636 Před měsícem +6

      🌹🌹🌹 Tom, "Wouldn't it have been fun for Bad Lex to meet up w Red K Clark?"
      Michael, "They would have ruled the world together"
      YUP!

    • @aldunlop4622
      @aldunlop4622 Před měsícem +3

      Yeah, it's like a peek into the future. A crystal ball if you like...

    • @marlenesheffield8777
      @marlenesheffield8777 Před měsícem

      Absolutely!!!! 💯

  • @ConradMontgomery
    @ConradMontgomery Před měsícem +11

    “It’s like you possessed Power far beyond those immortal men.” Michael Rosenbaum crushed it.

  • @CatieCass
    @CatieCass Před měsícem +23

    Michael Rosenbaum: The absolute BEST Lex Luthor on the screen, big or small. Bar none.

    • @meganlubinski2739
      @meganlubinski2739 Před měsícem +2

      10000% agree

    • @MISAN-vc7pc
      @MISAN-vc7pc Před měsícem

      Yes , and biggest mistake are Luthors gone from Smallville in season 7. After this i stope to watching Smallville. Without Luthors show is not same.

    • @kerenolivero7097
      @kerenolivero7097 Před měsícem +1

      100000% yes!

    • @flameofelijah
      @flameofelijah Před 24 dny +1

      Your assessment is spot-on

    • @CatieCass
      @CatieCass Před 24 dny +2

      @@MISAN-vc7pc It actually remained a pretty good show after the Luthors were gone. Once you take away one or more popular characters, you gotta know how to replace them, and I think they did - Tess was pretty good. But yeah, the on-screen dynamic between Rosenbaum and Glover was top notch.

  • @epa316
    @epa316 Před měsícem +33

    Such a polite villain, still calling them Mr and Mrs Kent, even though he shot Jonathan!

    • @amitkumar77172
      @amitkumar77172 Před měsícem +7

      Hahaha it really does make him seem even more like a lunatic

  • @miguelsilva3867
    @miguelsilva3867 Před měsícem +9

    Quite possibly Michael's best performance on the show. His acting as Alexander and Lex were amazing and how Lex was able to stay one step ahead of almost every situation including the krypto ring. "I am the villain of the story" is probably one of the best lines in the entire series. Knowing that Lex brings out the real Lionel, Lionel gets real interesting in future seasons. I always liked the "hints" from Chloe to Clark because it plays into an upcoming episode. This is 3 roses for me. Great episode because of Michael's performance.

    • @aldunlop4622
      @aldunlop4622 Před měsícem

      True, but the counterpoint is how well he plays weak Lex, who is very different to "Normal" Lex.

    • @miguelsilva3867
      @miguelsilva3867 Před měsícem

      @@aldunlop4622 I totally agree. I think this episode really shows Michael's range when it comes to his acting abilities.

  • @TreyAtkins-qh1mc
    @TreyAtkins-qh1mc Před měsícem +8

    This was my favorite Rosenbaum performance on Smallville. It perfectly foreshadows Lex's evil downturn later in the series.

  • @WilliamNamNguyen
    @WilliamNamNguyen Před měsícem +6

    "You were right about me all along Mr. Kent. I am the villain of the story". What a line. Love doing a reenactment of the line at a Smallville Night with us guys last year and it was awesome and lots of fun. Hope to see you guys at the Smallville Con this fall.

  • @sinichol44
    @sinichol44 Před měsícem +3

    This episode starts the idea of Lex having a split, and internally conflicted, good/evil personality. One that plays out to its full in Fracture (ep12) and then Descent (ep16) in series 7.

  • @aryanascardigan
    @aryanascardigan Před měsícem +9

    This episode once again proved to me that Michael Rosenbaum is a phenomenal actor 👏 I think he did a great job playing the same character with different personalities. I also loved the scene where Lex confronts Clark, thought that was amazing. Thanks again guys ❤️

  • @adamambro
    @adamambro Před měsícem +8

    BIG Shout out to Kryptonsite! All of us Smallville fans loved that place back in the day (and I absolutely fell for one of the April Fools News days one year that Tom had been cast as Superman in a movie)

    • @marlenesheffield8777
      @marlenesheffield8777 Před měsícem

      Yes indeed!!! I was also a member of Kryptonsite or K-Site as we would sometimes call it. That site would be so live after an episode and had fans logging in from all over the world!!
      Also, the writers were aware of the site due to its popularity and made a "veiled" reference to it in one of the episodes -- which I cannot remember right now.
      🤣💛💙❤️💋💯

  • @Brook11223
    @Brook11223 Před měsícem +39

    "I am the villain of the story..." I drive you..." just gives chills. You get that Jekyll and Hyde personality between Lex and his darker counterpart. That darker side is the Lex that we will get to know in the coming years and this felt like a foreshadowing moment. Also seeing the Green meteor rock turning to black during the energy beam sequence looked really good.

  • @meganlubinski2739
    @meganlubinski2739 Před měsícem +4

    I think that the fact that Tom and Michael had such great relationships with the crew speaks to their great character/personalities. They valued the opinions of the crew and knew their names. They talk about them often on the podcast. When it becomes known that an actor is not appreciative and kind with the crew, I find it hard to watch anything of them no matter how good of an actor. I love that Tom and Michael are the opposite of that - they clearly were appreciative, kind, gracious and so much more.

  • @dominique9187
    @dominique9187 Před měsícem +7

    Onyx is Lex ’s and Michael ’s episode, it’s extraordinary , one of the best, one of my favorite too !! ♥️♥️♥️ Your acting is incredible Michael, great work, you prove it once again !!! 💙💙💙👍 The Iron Mask fits this episode !!♥️ Amazing and fascinating discussion ! 💙❤💖👏👏👏

  • @scottwilson3741
    @scottwilson3741 Před měsícem +10

    "I am the villain of the story" is possibly the best line of the entire series

  • @amberleestine
    @amberleestine Před měsícem +9

    I started rewatching this when I found your podcast but I flew right by where you are now and am in the beginning of season 9 now. I think this is my third time seeing it. I just couldn't stop. I love you guys. I'll be joining Patreon soon.

  • @walter_the_wobot2349
    @walter_the_wobot2349 Před měsícem +5

    3 Rose episode! 🌹 🌹 🌹
    Michael was incredible and John Glover’s quiet rage was so impressive, the facial tick… wow.

  • @Asstazztic
    @Asstazztic Před měsícem +5

    I can’t believe Rosie gave this a 3 🌹, he said the pilot is the only 3 🌹 episode, next time warn us to sit down man, I was washing the dishes! 😅

  • @jenshirah
    @jenshirah Před měsícem +3

    Enjoyed this episode of Talkville, it was almost like a masterclass in acting! “I am the villain of this story” was a moment I’ll never forget!

  • @andrewthomas8888
    @andrewthomas8888 Před měsícem +4

    "I am the Villain of the Story" is my favorite Lex and Michael Rosenbaum quote from the whole Smallville show!!! Onyx is my favorite Lex Luthor episode of the whole Smallville show!! I also enjoyed Michael's Hammy Acting as Evil Lex Luthor!!! It was Great meeting both you and Tom Welling at Awesome Con in March!!!

  • @premek17
    @premek17 Před měsícem +4

    One of the best episodes of Smallville ever. Loved seeing two sides of Lex persona. I like that they showed how evil Lex can be but also that there is a good side to him too. Great scene with the Kents with that famous line, but my favorite is that last conversation with Clark

  • @NateKruger
    @NateKruger Před měsícem +6

    I always loved a good Lex-centered episode, and Michael killed this one. It is easily one of the top three Lex episodes of the whole series.

  • @heikira438
    @heikira438 Před měsícem +16

    The Patrons are doing so well in their segments.

    • @chasemcgee8501
      @chasemcgee8501 Před měsícem +17

      Hey thanks! That was me!

    • @heikira438
      @heikira438 Před měsícem

      @@chasemcgee8501 You did great, Butts 😀

    • @nate29
      @nate29 Před měsícem

      ​@@chasemcgee8501Would love to see more Superman content from you.

    • @jeffrey53sola
      @jeffrey53sola Před měsícem

      @@chasemcgee8501you did a great job 👊 loved your input

    • @Ryokans
      @Ryokans Před měsícem

      @@chasemcgee8501 You and Michael P have been my favorites so far, hope you'll feature in the show again soon!

  • @private_c
    @private_c Před měsícem +5

    "I am the villain of the story" will be my favourite quote in Small ville forever

  • @lindamawdsley6130
    @lindamawdsley6130 Před měsícem +4

    Loved this episode the acting was exceptional and it marks the emergence of the darker side of Lex which Michael conveyed to us with great subtlety until the “I am the villain of the story” moment, just brilliant 🤩

  • @Brook11223
    @Brook11223 Před měsícem +9

    Onyx really was a jump forward, flash forward showing Lex Luthor as an established villain.

  • @Profess84
    @Profess84 Před měsícem +7

    This is my favorite episode in season 4. I loved how Michael Rosenbaum tapped into the future villain Lex Luthor, the same as the Clancy Brown version from the animated shows.

    • @asyouwish3636
      @asyouwish3636 Před měsícem +1

      ooh great comparison! amazing foreshadowing they did in the plot and performance. Michael really shined as his "evil" half and playing against his "good" half

  • @samsmith8643
    @samsmith8643 Před měsícem +6

    I'm now keen for an interview with Michael's double Morris. I'm sure there's some interesting stories to be told

  • @1122stardust
    @1122stardust Před měsícem +3

    Hands down the most important Lex episode after Veritas plot episodes and fortress confrontation with Clark in season 7 finale. Lexs journey with Veritas was a stroke of writing genius. Incredible Lex arch for his character.

  • @Agrivandal
    @Agrivandal Před měsícem +7

    there should be an alternate reality of smallville with clark kent trying to hide his powers but being so obvious that everyone knows, yet they pretend not seeing anything, and he has no clue about it (like chloe)

  • @kevineisenschink2500
    @kevineisenschink2500 Před měsícem +7

    My favorite part of this talkville episode was the pic of the iron mask, assuming it’s in Michael’s house, is on a shelf with a wooden slide ladder. Exactly like the home of Gene Hackman’s Lex. Nice touch. You’re getting closer to turning Michael. Lol.

  • @asyouwish3636
    @asyouwish3636 Před měsícem +14

    I mean this is as much Lex's origin story as Clark's. their destinies are so intertwined

    • @Costas22
      @Costas22 Před měsícem +2

      It's why the show was never the same after season 7 (as much as that season sucked). And they waited FOREVER until they tied Tess to him.

    • @asyouwish3636
      @asyouwish3636 Před měsícem +5

      @Costas22 idk, I think the whole Tess/Luthor entanglement was weird lol it def felt like an after thought (but most of Tess' storylines felt that way in general) like they didn't know what to do w her.
      tbh they kinda ran Lex into the ground by S7 so it was kinda refreshing to take a break from him. I don't think he needed to be absent for 3 full seasons, but it was nice to see Clark deal w other villains.

    • @Costas22
      @Costas22 Před měsícem +1

      @@asyouwish3636 Young Zod, yes. Doomsday and the way that storyline was handled? Not so sure. It had potential (especially with the David Bloome double identity), but their budget was too small for it. And then you had Darkseid, LOL. But even if those villains worked, Lex just means so much more to the show. It was his journey with Clark's in parallel.
      Anyway, Tess could have been Lena Luthor from the off (like we saw in the Supergirl series) and played the part of the champagne villain, but for seasons 8-9 she was all over the place. Motives kept changing, allianches kept shifting... Only Cassidy Freeman's talent kept the character interesting. I did like her redemption arc in S10, but we saw how that ended (I don't see Bryan Q Miller's comic as canon, personally).

    • @MShaiqable
      @MShaiqable Před měsícem +1

      Another reason why I wish season 10 had more of Lex in it. That one little scene was not enough. Really wish they had brought Michael on for that whole final season.

    • @asyouwish3636
      @asyouwish3636 Před měsícem +1

      @@MShaiqable I believe that was Michael's decision. The show would have had him stay or at least be reoccurring. Lex was featured pretty heavily in S10 so yeah I think if Michael had agreed to it, he would have been back sooner than the finale.

  • @briancrain4181
    @briancrain4181 Před měsícem +2

    A good episode but an even better pod.
    As usual, Tom is asking all the best questions and Rosie was really engaged!
    The patreon guest was really great too...
    Always good to hear/see Ryan as well!

  • @calvezthemexicanjedi6443
    @calvezthemexicanjedi6443 Před 29 dny +2

    39:01 Tom giving an analogy about piano keys and they show the clip of Lex's bloody fingers playing, whoever edited this that was a great bit 🤣

  • @ryandeffley7652
    @ryandeffley7652 Před měsícem +10

    What's interesting is when Lex's inner self kisses Lana, he says that he's wanted to for a very long time. She just turned 18 in S4. 😂
    So him desiring underage to that extreme really does make him the "villain of the story." 💯

    • @ShieldVids
      @ShieldVids Před měsícem

      It is lex darker half. To lie and say a men can't find the body of a women who has reached sexual maturity attractive is if ignoring biology. It is finding her being young sexual that is perverted.

    • @asyouwish3636
      @asyouwish3636 Před měsícem +4

      right! and at same time think about how much he has to suppress is ID for his whole life at this point, and not just his "evil" tendencies. the fact that at 24, he befriends a 14yr old to the point of brotherly love and spends 4 years hanging w HS kids, speaks to how he never got to be a real kid. he's a brilliant billionaire who has "everything" except for emotional support so he craves it and seeks it out from children (because kids offer genuine emotion unconditionally).
      and even now, Evil Lex 1st instinct was to join forces w Clark. He doesn't demand that he should rule over Clark (something future Lex will try w Superman)

    • @MShaiqable
      @MShaiqable Před měsícem

      @@asyouwish3636 Whoa! Deep, and very astute!

    • @kerenolivero7097
      @kerenolivero7097 Před měsícem

      @@asyouwish3636, Well said :)

  • @silver2therescue1
    @silver2therescue1 Před měsícem +5

    There's a deleted scene in this episode that always stood out to me where bad Lex meets the security guard who Chloe later finds dead. Bad Lex arrives at the gate of LuthorCorp and the guard says "Didn't you just come through here?" And bad Lex says "Are you keeping tabs on me...Martin?" As he looks at his name tag. Martin the security guard says "No, I was just...wondering." Bad Lex says "I'm not paying you to wonder. You get a tiny little paycheck every week for saying 'Thank you, Mr. Luthor.' 'Have a nice day, Mr. Luthor.' Now do you wanna keep getting that check or am I gonna have to terminate you?" Martin replies "Thank you Mr. Luthor. Have a nice day, Mr. Luthor." Bad Lex says "You too, Martin." Martin then sees the good Lex with Clark on the security camera and Martin goes for his gun but bad Lex already has his out. He says "Looks like I'm gonna have to let you go after all." And bad Lex shoots and kills Martin and gets out of the car, thus setting up the scene where Chloe finds his body in the lab. I don't know why this scene was deleted but it's a really good scene. Maybe it was for time.

  • @gonzaloluna8250
    @gonzaloluna8250 Před měsícem +5

    This episode is one of the best episodes of Smallville. The way this show made Lex’s fall into darkness was awesome.

  • @CyGea
    @CyGea Před měsícem +3

    My theory for why Lex doesn't figure out Clark's secret...he subconsciously doesn't want to know. Lex doesn't want Clark to be someone he could use to get more power.
    His desire for a normal friend, is stronger than his need for power.
    If Clark has power, Lex's ambition will destroy their friendship, and Lex knows it.
    So, Lex dismisses any possibility that Clark has exploitable power.

  • @theresemarkham9387
    @theresemarkham9387 Před měsícem +4

    I like how Alexander gave Lionel a Scar like Scar in Lion King.

  • @karenwaldo6687
    @karenwaldo6687 Před měsícem +2

    Michael-your rendition of LxL was so great throughout! I saw the inner struggle from the beginning, and the split put the exclamation point on the character. Great acting! My favorite 2000’s TV show. Have watched at least 5 times. Thanks for doing the podcast, guys!

  • @FatimaTomsEnough
    @FatimaTomsEnough Před měsícem +6

    Happy for Michael that everyone enjoyed "ONYX" so much! There are a lot of similarities to Tom's favorite "Transference" for sure! The Black Kryptonite does affect Clark, which is why he grabbed his pulse when he saw it in the lab. Interesting to hear about the camera lens! Glad to know Michael still has one of the iron mask! Nice to hear the Jeremy Irons "piano keys" story from Tom, almost 20 years later once again! "We're Luthors." x2 is also legendary!
    Congratulations To Chase! AKA "I Made Talk Ville Say Butts!"

  • @MrRaiin32
    @MrRaiin32 Před měsícem +4

    One of the most iconic episodes 🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹

  • @dancarpentieri7762
    @dancarpentieri7762 Před měsícem +3

    Michael's best performance of the series! Amazing!! 3 Roses.

  • @calebdalger4503
    @calebdalger4503 Před měsícem +2

    I was hoping someone would mention the scene with Lex and Lana and how Lex’s shirt collar extended over his jacket was a reference to Lex Luther’s classic comic book attire. A very subtle but obvious Easter egg the producers put in that I love to see.

  • @HappyGuy343
    @HappyGuy343 Před měsícem +3

    One of Smallville's greatest episodes and an episode that further cemented Rosey as being the best Lex. Three roses 🌹 🌹🌹

  • @terrymcginnis2878
    @terrymcginnis2878 Před měsícem +4

    This is easily the best Lex Luthor episode of the entire series. Michael Rosenbaum killed it in this. We got a glimpse of The villain of the story.

  • @luisi220
    @luisi220 Před měsícem +1

    Easily one of the top ten episodes in the history of this show ! And very entertaining to see you guys dissect the episode ! Keep em coming !!

  • @theresemarkham9387
    @theresemarkham9387 Před měsícem +2

    Also the cage spilting scene was awesome. We are the Luthor’s belongs on a shirt. I enjoyed the coy smile that Lex gave at the end. I wonder how much that he remembers.

  • @davebratton1702
    @davebratton1702 Před měsícem +3

    I live 15 minutes away from the location of the NJ Con. CAN'T. WAIT.

  • @zechs5889
    @zechs5889 Před měsícem +3

    It wasn't mentioned, but I love the foreboding line that Michael says at the end when Clark says it wasn't him, to which Lex questions whether the experiment created an evil Lex or if that was what is really inside of him.
    Excellent 👌🎸

  • @affordingstyle
    @affordingstyle Před měsícem +1

    I set my alarm to wake up at 4 a.m. to watch Onyx way back when. Life before streaming.

  • @Superwolf22
    @Superwolf22 Před měsícem +3

    This is the perfect episode on describing the yin and yang ☯️ in all of us.
    They describe it as “Bad Lex vs Good Lex”
    How I describe it is Ego Lex vs Lex.
    Everyone has an ego inside of them that craves power, greed, control, etc…
    Lex fed his ego for so long, that it became his own monster! His grip on it is very loose.
    Stoicism is the cure to our egos. There’s a balance needed in order to live with it. Or else we will always let our emotions control us.

  • @grimmettcleaningservices7003

    One of my favorite episodes of the entire series. I'm so glad Michael rosenbaum had as much fun doing this episode as we did watching it. Smallville is interesting, because some of their iterations of the characters of people's favorites. I know for me, Michael rosenbaum's lex and Erica Durance's Lois are my favorite iterations of the character, across any media.

  • @CrimsonButterfly91
    @CrimsonButterfly91 Před měsícem +1

    🌹🌹🌹 This is a episode for those who have not seen the show I say this is the best actor who played on screen and they are blown away. Best scene is the iconic Villain line this episode and performance should of earned a award

  • @TheMattJacks
    @TheMattJacks Před měsícem +10

    Tom IS the Welling of the story.

  • @koulor315
    @koulor315 Před měsícem +3

    One of the greatest performances on any tv show or movie, great job Michael!!

  • @ZainR
    @ZainR Před měsícem +2

    YES! Finally one of my favorite episodes of all time! When I think of Smallville, I think of this episode and Descent

  • @nickhydier1201
    @nickhydier1201 Před měsícem +3

    Always loved the detail of the green kryptonite ring Lex wears when confronting Clark. Little homage it is to the one Lex wore later in some stories in the comics.

  • @3ku1
    @3ku1 Před měsícem

    Prob the single greatest performance in that genre ever. Michael brought an edginess and darkness to the Lex character that no one since has replicated.

  • @faustoh3823
    @faustoh3823 Před měsícem +1

    *LOVE THIS EPISODE!! This is where LEX really shows his true self. Michael, this is why you are the 2nd best Lex Luthor with that scene... "I am the villain of the story!"*

  • @jeffn4836
    @jeffn4836 Před měsícem +16

    For the first time in weeks, Michael is engaged in the show and it’s because he gets to talk about himself. Imagine that.

  • @jaminschmitt
    @jaminschmitt Před měsícem +2

    Wow, Tom is firing in all cylinders for the episode of Talkville.

  • @berniemargolis4288
    @berniemargolis4288 Před měsícem +2

    Those three roses are definitely deserved this episode. I also agree with Michael that this version of Lex would have been ideal for the season finale. My one disappointment with this series is that the Lex-Clark arc, which was IMO the most compelling aspect of this story, always felt incomplete to me.

  • @lovelywaz
    @lovelywaz Před měsícem +3

    Thanks for S04E17 🥂🥂🍻🍻
    And yes, you ARE the villain of the story! 💪💪

  • @cidmontenegro8225
    @cidmontenegro8225 Před měsícem +1

    Funny Tom mentioned the Count of Monte Cristo as one of his favorite classic literature books. It was written by the same guy that wrote the man in the iron mask referenced in this episode, Alexander Dumas. For general knowledge, the man in the iron mask is just 1 book in a 5 book series that begins with the Three Musketeers and spans the lifetimes of D'Artagnan, Athos, Aramis, and Porthos. A good read beyond just the popular 3 Musketers and Iron mask. It is lengthy, the series has to be over 2500 pages.

  • @asyouwish3636
    @asyouwish3636 Před měsícem +3

    Loved Tom's question about the ATM pressure affecting Kryptonite ❤😂 I think it all started out green, and the way the meteors hit the ATM and ground is how we got all the other colors, and also explains why the other colors are so infrequent compared to the original green

    • @Kiddo_X
      @Kiddo_X Před měsícem

      It's an excellent question. Makes you wonder what is the starting color of kryptonite? And what environmental effects have to happen in order to obtain the other colors? Applying heat will give you black, but what about blue? Red? Gold? The gem stone kryptonite from Persuasion?

    • @asyouwish3636
      @asyouwish3636 Před měsícem +1

      @@Kiddo_X yeah I think it all starts out green and depends on the heat/pressure/point of impact/cooling speed etc to determine the other types (maybe they're on a spectrum). Maybe red is natural too, maybe that one turns into the rainbow K in Persuasion 🤷‍♀️

  • @t.brannan6940
    @t.brannan6940 Před měsícem +2

    Onyx has to be one of my top 5 episodes of Season 4. We got to see a truly evil Lex, giving us a hint into Lex’s future. Everyone’s acting was great, but Michael was the best actor in this episode. Also, I love how Lex brings Lionel’s true personality back to the surface in this episode. I give 🌹 🌹 🌹 for the episode.
    Speaking of Spirit, the next episode, my favorite part is when Dawn inhabits Clark. She looks at Chloe, saying “The crown’s mine, bitch!” before shoving her. I just love how Tom delivers that line. Martha Kent’s dancing is also a funny moment.

  • @MrDziubla
    @MrDziubla Před 29 dny +1

    I really liked the "I'm getting seriously tired of hearing my own voice" line Bad Lex says. Such an ironic thing to hear Rosenbaum say.