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- čas přidán 11. 06. 2024
- F1 teams have been worried about the 2026 cars being slower, Matt and Tommy discuss why that could be a good thing.
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The cars will start out slower but after a year working with them I’m sure the teams will squeeze performance out of them and gain lap time.
yeah like they did with the 2022 cars, i remember them being so sluggish and now they are pretty close to 2021 cars
It's happened virtually every time they've slowed them down.
At the cost of the 'spirit of the regulation'. in 2022 they can follow the cars closer, but now they can't cause the team keep producing dirty air behind their cars to gain time.
Came to say the exact same thing. Teams find loopholes and they are good at it. They will find a loophole and develop the shit out of it until they are even faster than today!
That’s not even the issue though. The issue is the lack of good racing.
We need better camera angles to give us the real impression of the speed. Right now 99% of the camera shots are panning and tracking the car, making it really hard to sense the speed.
Those rare still shots where you truly see the speed and downforce are just so breathtaking! More please!
THat new on board camera that some of the cars have is a lot better for that. Kmag had it a little eariler this season. I believe Gasly had it an Canada
But those angles make the race easier to follow on TV. Static shots won't do it.
Are you serious? The camera shots these days are incredible! The fact that you can even watch a shot live from a drivers camera, direct to your device of choice in real time is simply amazing!
@@officialWWM the camera angles are very impressive. That doesn’t mean they are the best way to possibly film F1 though. We just need 15% of shots to be more static and less panning / tracking to really sense the speed of the car relative to the environment
One of the most mesmerizing moments of the last years for me, was Lewis’s PoV going flat out in spa in 2020. Just watching, you knew there is nothing in this world that could be any faster around this circuit, the literal pinnacle of speed. Nevertheless, I’m all here for smaller cars and closer racing, Canada was a blast.
Who cares if the cars are a few seconds slower per lap. I want closer racing.
Watch F2. The grid has never been so close
I think it is more than just that. The TV's don't do these cars justice man, trust me. The shear speed at which these cars drive trhough straights and corners is just spectacular to see in person. A lot of people will not get to experience that and icl its just sad.
@@Satya6146 wat? it's the wide angles that make them look slow lol that's exactly why they looked way faster before HD n FHD feeds
If F1 cars are slower than let's say WEC cars, then I can't say that they are the Pinacle of Motorsport anymore. Even now I don't like the direction f1 is going where it become more and more like a spec series to achieve closer racing.
@@KhomsaMifta7995 They won't be slower than current WEC. If it was still LMP1H they'd be slower, no doubt. But current regs... nah
Super Formula for sure will be faster than 2026 F1 tho
I have to say. Here in Australia. They had the biggest regulation change in the V8 supercars series. Some drivers and teams hated it. However. The new cars are a handful. But we have had better racing door to door and the amount of different winners. There is no mid team anymore. So speed isn't everything 🤷♂️
Thank you for pointing that out.
They may not be fast cars, but they really pull out the best of each driver. And it is an AWESOME category to watch!
If you want to sell a track I think for F1 specially. Speed is also its appeal
@@nashefore1912 Say that to Herman Tilke.
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Oh wait.
Also the current regulations were slower than the ones before, but now they developed till they're nearly as fast
I'm probably in the minority here... But I'm an engineer and I got into Formula 1 for the engineering. I enjoy seeing the cleaver solutions to problems and the different approaches to the same set of rules. Its cool to see these different ideas only be tenths apart at times. Brawn in 2009 and Mercedes in 2014-2016 are some of the best moments in the sport because of the innovation of the team that occurs. So I don't want a spec series, and I do think the cars should be fast. But I get that good racing is also important and that all is a hard balance to pull off.
Being slower is not an issue, if the cars are smaller and can pass without assistance.
The problem is thar, due to hybrid engines, that cars are not that much smaller and still need assistance to overtake. So I would rather have the F2 cars in F1 ibstead.
This feels like the exact same conversations we were having with the 2022 regulation change
Isn't it good if the cars a more complicated to drive? I think smaller cars would be good as well.
Complicated isn't good. Difficult as in requiring high driver skill, is good.
The new regs should require the drivers to complete one rubiks cube, four cryptograms and two sudoku puzzles via the buttons on their steering wheel at random points during the race.
The new regs should stipulate that each car have small sprinklers mounted in front of the wheels such that each car will be driving under wet conditions for two random laps during race.
@@tilestwo and plays chess with the car in front to gain access to the new wing modes
@@irgiefarras2159 Unless you are the leader then you have to beat Magnus Carlsen
I think the biggest danger of this regulation change is being engine-heavy while also less aero-dependent. Especially with a new hybrid engine in the cost cap era. Mercedes or some other engine manufacturer may skew the entire field, 2014-style.
I'm actually all here for an engine era. Because the mechanical engineering of the ICE/transmission is more understood by more people. There are no Adrian Neweys of engine performance.
If there are caps on engine development the same way there's wind tunnel limits, it might be ok? At least increasing engine performance doesn't result in screwing with the aero of the car behind you. Like, right now Alpine is a little hamstrung by their engine being a bit underpowered, but theoretically there can be a rule that the weaker engines gets more dyno testing/upgrades.
F2 doesn't have a 50/50 split with electric/ICE. F2 doesn't have movable aero gimmicks to make it work. F2 is more kart racing than a technology showcase.
That is what F1 should go for - small, light cars with electric power to be used like KERS of the past.
F1 has always been a technology showcase: it’s why the manufacturers bother throwing millions and millions into the sport. The smaller cars, more hybrid, sustainable “drop-in” fuels (that work in road cars) and active aero are all signs of this: it’s changed that have been requested by manufacturers, both current and those coming in. They want to showcase their tech, and use developments from F1 cars into their production road cars.
If you want spec racing, go watch spec racing. F1 is and will be a formula series, and that’s the only way you’ll keep multiple manufacturers in the sport.
@@bgosl I don't want spec racing, the F2 comparison was to point out the differences. I want F1 to use electric power to advance the technology, but it shouldn't be a 50/50 split. It should be a KERS-like system that a driver uses for extra boost ontop of the ICE that should be like a minimum of 700bhp. Add the electric power that drains quick but recharges quick too, and you have a good racing series that advances electric technology at the same time.
@@ISirSmoke back to manufacturers. F1 cares about having more manufacturers in the sport, which is why the 2026 regs are what they are. Because manufacturers wanted cars with more hybrid power, we get cars with more hybrid power. It the sport doesn’t cater to manufacturers, we’ll end up with a spec series whether we want it or not.
I’m fine with tech that’s cutting edge and sought after.
@@bgosl it boils down to the fact that I dislike what F1 is becoming and I think another way would be better, because I think it strays too far from pure racing
@@ISirSmoke that's fair, my counterargument is just that F1 is a technological showcase first and "pure racing" second. WIthout catering to manufacturers, there's just no F1. And they will always have strong opinions about what parameters they need the cars to have to make it worth being part of F1.
I don’t like how they make it sounds like good racing and fast cars are mutually exclusive.
bro is doing maths
The faster the cars go, the harder it is to overtake. This is true in every racing series because you simply get less time for an opportunity. Every time that F1 has removed performance from the cars, wheel-to-wheel has gotten better. This is basic math.
@@Fractured_Unity if it was that simple the best racing would have happened in the 50s and the worst in the last decade
Yet the grid has never been this close.
@@billdexhart5179 You are absolutely trolling if you think “tHe GRid HaS NeVeR BEeN tHiS cLOsE”. Go read Wikipedia with your tail between your legs. Just because the distance between first and last is closer than ever does not make the distance between first and second. You have fallen for a logical fallacy.
@@billdexhart5179 Not specifically fast cars, but heavy reliance on downforce, which does coincidentally reduce lap times because of lower cornering speeds. Heavy downforce reliance means that you depend on air doing what you want to achieve max grip and cornering speeds, which you can't really get if there's someone right in front of you. Pretty much every racing series that attempts giant wings finds their grip turning into smoke if they have to follow someone.
With current camera work and screen ratio they would look painfully slow
Hopefully these 2026 regulations stay good for more than one year
IndyCar is lighter, smaller, and more nimble than F1 will be. Now F1 will just be a more expensive IndyCar with a heavier battery and power steering.
Better drivers 😅😅😅still the Zenith of the motorsports
The key to better racing in my opinion is smaller, and lighter cars with less downforce. Less downforce means the skill of the drivers shines through more. Less downforce means less dirty air and the cars can follow closer without losing massive amounts of downforce, sliding and torching their tires.
edit: Welp. Commented before watching the entire video. Tommy highlighted many of my points aswell.
By making the cars slower in the corners, there are now longer/harder braking zones which promotes overtaking. This is a win for seeing more battles
Bring back the grooved tyres, watching Mika Hakkinen sawing away at each corner trying to get round The Michael is some of the best F1 there's ever been.
I totally understand the idea but there is a concern. When Tiger Woods was decimating the competition all the major courses decided to "Tiger proof" their courses by making them harder. The result... Tiger won even more... Why? Because the best competitors will do even better the harder it gets and the worse the lesser drivers get. I'm not saying don't change things but you have to be careful how you do it.
10 second a lap slower...and the CHEAP SuperFormula car will be equal or faster suddenly.
The slowness should also come at a vast cost reduction, and openness to new teams like Andretti.
The racing was better in tue V10 era and early V8 era. And you could also argue that the cars were sometimes faster, if not, as fast as the cars today.. The big difference was their size and the tyres. So slower cars won't necessarily make for better racing, smaller cars will. If they all drove big but slow buses, there still won't be any room for overtaking. Point being: SIZE MATTERS
The new cars are smaller. You just won’t get a quantum leap, because current teams would never agree to throwing everything they have out the window.
Racing was awful in the early/mid 2000’s.
Actually go back and look at the seasons as a whole and not just the notable moments, it wasn’t great for overtaking and the dirty air was at its worst (at least until 2009 shook things up.)
MATT and TOMMY please please use P1 extra to also talk about formula 3 and formula 2 weekend reviews. Not the full format you do for F1 because it would be too much for you. But just weekend review discussing the races and drivers. I love f2 and f3 because I like seeing which driver I’m going to be watching into formula 1. No channel I’ve found actually gives video time to the other formulas, please do it :). Thank you
Bring back the V10’s. 18k rev limiter. 700kg min weight. Two element front & rear wings, common diffusers on all cars. Decrease efficacy of intermediate tyre. Reduce to 4 dry tyre compounds and 1 qualifying tyre. Qualifying is 1 hot lap one car on track at a time.
Years ago Schumacher complained about electronic driver aides, but added that the fastest teams would still stay ahead. He was right. Unfortunately, the electronics will never go away. I still agree with Vettel when he said “bring back the V12s”.
What no one wants to admit is that to get back to the glory days of F1, some driver safety will have to be given up. If you make the car so massive that every driver can walk away from every incident you will not have any competition unless you become a spec series.
The old cars were dangerous and the bravest to dance up to the edge without stepping over was part of the racing excitement. If you know nobody runs any real risk, it is not the same for the fans and you also get a different kind of driver.
The main issue I have with the 2026 car so far is the active aero. It's not controlled by the driver, it's even more moving pieces that could have faults, and how different is it going to be if someone loses a part of the front wing? That person's race could be effectively over because now the active aero only works on one side of the car, and in a straight, they'll have to hold their steering wheel to the side like it's the Indy 500 WHILE going much slower than everyone else. Also, get rid of the damn hybrid system. Give us V8's!
If they want to prove that they're the pinnacle of racing, they should make it be both faster AND with better racing
Physics won’t work for that. The faster the cars, the more dirty air, the shorter the brake zones are, which equals worse racing.
@@evantheboss9062 the only way is they ditch all the wings and all the downforce comes from fans succing the car to the ground
They need to the smallest, most powerful, most technologically advanced cars in existence and the pilots need to be the best 20 drivers in the world to compete with them. How have we lost sight of this?
DTS fans that think this sport is some reality show. It’s embarrassing.
DTS, Liberty Media, and the monetary greed that oozes from the cracks of F1, the FIA, and the heads of things... Don't you just love corporate greed
It’s not DTS fans, it’s not the FIA. It’s manufacturers.
These changes mean the F1 cars are more closely aligned with developing road cars for today’s world, which means manufacturers can justify throwing millions and millions into the sport. Without these changes, we wouldn’t be getting Ford and Audi into F1.
And this is far from the first time that new regs brought the speed down a little. The current cars being the latest example of that - and they’ve pulled that gap back in through development.
@@jok3r906lol, are you implying F1 wasn’t about “corporate greed” when bernie was running it?
This.
The obsession with safety and sustainability is ridiculous and ruining the sport.
Its 20 cars, it doesn't matter if they're the pollutingest, gas-guzzlingest cars in the universe it's fifteen seconds of a factory in china running over the course of a whole GP weekend.
The basic principle, in my opinion, is that with a larger lap time the more opportunity for overtakes/mistakes to be made and ultimately better racing
If the new cars are closer to F2 that should also mean drivers moving up to F1 won't fizzle out as easily, exceptional talents like Piastri are the only cases that seem to get a proper hold of the new cars.
100% with you! F2 has great racing. Slimmer cars will make racing on the more common street tracks more interesting as well. F2 and F3 produce more action in Monaco than F1 ever can right now.
Cars at Le Mans this year are 10+ seconds off the lap record that was set under the old rules, however it's absolutely stacked with 23 cars in the top class and 22 with a shot of winning (sorry Isotta Fraschini lol)
A different view - slower doesn’t mean better racing, so got to be careful with what we wish for.
Instead, it’s not that there’s too much downforce that makes the car stable, it’s the engine not powerful enough to push the car to break traction with the available downforce.
Yes, engine development is expensive so this solution is impractical. But in a parallel universe, I want to see 3000hp cars with twice the downforce today.
I don't like slower and more difficult to drive cars, no matter what. This is F1 and they must have cars like rockets! Actually why to have slower cars? Just because they don't find solutions to build fast cars that produce good racing? I never agreed to see that F1 becomes anything else (like entertaining show) than the most demanding competition in motorsport. F1 it should be about sport and what driver and constructor are the best at it. It's a sport not an entertaining show and it must be 'the top gun' in everything that means the car industry.
Maybe they should focus on bringing down weight and size of the cars. If they weighed less they could be just as safe being smaller. Now they have to be huge to protect against being hit by the heavy ass cars, keeping them bigger. Its a problem that causes more problems in a cyclical relationship.
My main problem with F1 at the moment is the apparent need to show so many useless closeups of the sponsor stickers. That ruins the perception of speed, it ruins the ability to tell the nuanced differences in driver skill and style.
It’s pretty obvious given how popular channels like peter windsors are that people like and want more good and informative coverage.
The cars are fine
To be honest if the 2026 f1 cars , arw going to be a little quicker that f2 cars, i will absolutely take it. As someone that started to watch formula 2 last year, the racing for the most part, is very good , we have a lot of battles , the unpredictability of how a race will always go, so it makes it more enjoyable to watch. If the 2026 regulations will somehow bring closer and exciting racing, i will be extremely happy to continue watching f1 races
Go watch some NASCAR and see how good the racing is. By comparison ( on a road course) these things are slow, but entertaining AF!
Saying that right after Sonoma is not the best look with how terrible that race was. Though that series does show that slower cars are better for fighting
F1 is just as much about the fastest drivers competing as it is about the fastest cars. The trick is the relative speeds between the cars. If more cars could be as fast as the others, or better yet, if the driver could account for the speed more than the car, there's your great racing.
F1 is trying to get like Indycar to make closer racing but they should keep that gap in lap times
If the 2026 cars can really allow more wheel to wheel racing, and closing up of the packs, we dont care if they r overall a few seconds slower per lap tbh.
More actions are always better than chasing for pure top speed.
Bring back Wheel Knowledge type of videos.
Just watch old WTF video where Matt explains everything
@@DKOMSC Yes, but do we really want to be giving the new WTF1 people ad revenue?
@@Becky_Cooling Why not? Those videos are good.
Formula E fastest lap at Monaco was a 1:33 and F1 fastest was a 1:14. The FE race had much more overtaking and exciting action. Closer racing should be the priority
One delusional dream:
Put all F1 drivers on spec formula cars (F2 would be a good choice) and do a full weekend. Pratice 1 to 3, qualifying and race. Just to see what happens.
So sad that it will never happen...
In my opinion, some of the worst racing I've ever seen came during the slow as molasses 2014-2016 era. I simply do not trust slowing down the cars for closer racing. I haven't seen it work.
I hope that the race lap times are closer to the qualifying times than they are now.
At the moment the difference is too great.
Also, they should get rid of the wheel covers, and the stupid looking front wing end plates. Make them look nicer and less likely to leave bits on the track.
F2 isn't exciting just because the cars are slower it's also because they are much smaller than F1 so there is more room for overtaking. Someone just can't park it the middle of the road and noone can pass them because the track is way too narrow for the cars racing on it
Yea, they can engineer as much engine power as they want, tune the suspension and mechanical grip, but increasing the downforce just screws with getting close in every single race series that attempts it.
The only good races of the past seasons we're the chaos races... Drivers struggling is what we want to see
If everyone is so enamored with the “pinnacle of motor racing” tripe or “this is prototypel”. Time to put up. Have FIA set a length, width and track rules. That's it! No cost cap, no engineering limits, no safety requirement. Can't afford to play with the big kids, go home. No one forces drivers to get behind the wheel. Drivers can choose a team that has safety or faster car. Capitalism! As my old first Sgt used to say, “ If you wanted a safe job, you should have been a bank teller”.
Fast or slow, racing is really more fun when drivers can get close enough to each other to fight it out. That's really what it's about.
They should only slow down the cars if it’s a safety thing. The issue with the grid and having more parity will not change with this tactic. F1 needs some kind of bolster, like extra aero time or budget allowance, for teams further down the grid to try and catch up on performance. Unless they do that, the eras of dominance will continue.
Ditch the hybrids, make the cars lighter & much smaller, reintroduce low-grip bulletproof tires & bring back refueling.
All people want nowadays is ten million overtakes a race to enjoy what they’re seeing. All I ever needed was watching 20 men tame a lightweight, twitchy dog of a car at 200 MPH for 2 hours straight.
I’d rather watch an Ayrton Senna qualifying lap a million times over than watch a single lap with today’s oversized, overweight, slow-looking, terrible sounding ocean liners.
Miss the days when the cars gave you the chills just by looking at them. Nowadays they’re just an afterthought, a means to an end.
For the engineering aspect, I would love to see how fast the cars can go with the 1988 regulation today.
Understanding it’s not possible with the environmental and safety concerned we have today.
I go to karting races. Bambino class is the slowest karts/engines with drivers like 5-7 years old.
However, it is the best racing there! They're slow, but that's good - it bunches up the pack and you have battles for the win containing more than half the drivers! Slower is better.
I think the faster car thing makes a good qualy, so maybe could be a extreme grip tyre for qualy, and normal tyres + less downforce for race day?
I love the last 2 years qualy
The people who claim F1 is only 'good' if they're going at 300+kph, are the same people who claim it's only 'good' if they sound like the approach of Armageddon.
They seemingly only care about the optics, rather than the overall product - less is often much better, especially if the remaining elements are allowed the opportunity to improve, to become more relevant.
So, less speed, more Albon double-takes, please.
I agree whole heartedly. F1 is the pinacle of Motorsport not only because of the fast cars but for the "Supposed" skill of the drivers - a brilliant car is inanimate - it is a good driver that brings it to life. It is mostly the corner for corner contest for the lead / position, the strategy amd tactics to achieve the result, the unpredictability, the transferable technology in action - transferable to the regular motor vehicle for the regulaar consumer - (the drivers show us how this tech is to our advantage) and the awesome designs by the most remarkable designers in the motorsport industry. Slower (and smaller) would also allow for more cars on the grid too and therefore more competition for said places. The argument of the "pie share" is complete BS. The "pie" is "small" at present and only shared by 10 teams. This pie is completely sponsor and consumer driven. Increase the grid by another 2 or 3 teams and the incrementally increased size of the pie is shared by all the teams. What FOM have to be smart about is having teams with financial potential (Sponsors and consumers) that brings in more consumers and sponsors paying into this pie - a chinese team (not just a driver) - an all american team, an all Indonesian team or an all South American team - Checo is an example here .... he is not an MV but his market share is infinately bigger than MV's - in Latin America that is, a sizeable RB product market. - (I cannot see any African benefit yet - individual spending power and financial security is still too low and there is a lack of social / cultural cohesion on the continent - but this could change later though - At present, you are not really going to get masses of new fans - consumers and relevant sponsors in Africa if there is a race in South Africa or Nigeria - unlike Latin America)
I hope the cars aren't slower but I do wish more teams nail the regs in 26. Better racing comes from having more competitive cars slowing them 10 secs a lap doesn't necessarily equate to better racing.
The music is very very annoying
No need for music you guys are talking it’s not graphics or tables
I couldn’t watch the video with full attention because of it
No, they don't mean just difficult to drive. They mean 20 cars crashing. The problem with making regs is that those people don't have to make the cars in reality or drive with there lives on the line. Remember the show car is always just a mock up. You can't jump in it and do some laps, only a computer has ever driven it.
I dissagree, I also dissagree with the budget-cap, it hampers the development of "real cars". The stuff that is developed in F1, to make the fastest, most earodinamic car (so they can save on fuel aboard their car), is capped by money. Conclusion: They try to get a fraction of what they can save within the regulations instead of making the (for instance) battery more efficient
While I don't full disagree F1 is meant to be the pinnacle of motor sport. As much an engineering competition as a driving one.
Also, I hate to tell everyone, but there have always been seasons in F1 where 1 team is miles ahead and doesn't have a competitive teammate. Take that race that they mentioned in 1988, 4th place was almost a lap down!
It was only good because 2 fantastic, once in a generation racing drivers were in the best car. (Ironically one of whom would be driven out of the sport now)
Look at almost anyone talking about F1 in the 90's 'there's only so many times you can watch 20 cars do the conga lap after lap'
There are still double the overtakes per race this season as there were every season until DRS came in. Which you can moan all you want about but even as a Vettel fan, what happened to Alonso in 2010 was so unfair.
This is the problem though, every time we get a season where 1 car is miles ahead there is a clamour to massively shake up the regs. Then 1 team nails them, they stay well ahead for 2-3 years and we get the same again. Instead of just realising that in 5 years all the teams will balance out and it will be hyper competitive. The only reason that didn't happen with Merc was due to the weird engine development freeze.
In terms of speed development, the 2014 cars were very slow and come 2016 the Mercedes started to beat F2004 times! The speed difference from 2018-2019 wasn’t huge as some races the 2019 cars were faster even with a simple front wing. The 2022 cars were slower than the 2017 cars. Now these cars are about the same as the 2021 cars! Come 2025 or if these regs continued to 2026 they could be beating 2020 lap times! Point is engineers will find the time no matter what. So how slow the cars is doesn’t matter in the long run as they will ALWAYS get faster.
While i agree it should make the racing better, i am worried because they trued this sort of approach recently in the v8 supercars in aus, less aero, ect. The cars are more physical to drive but i cant say the racings that much better. Of course open wheelers are different so hopefully this works out well
There is no way a person can tell if a car is lapping at 1min 30 seconds or 1 minute 32 seconds per lap, NO ONE can tell! Close racing/passes we can see!!!
We are really at the point in history where technology is going to make things worse. Make them smaller, make them safer than the old cars but make them as small as possible without all the hybrid crap and use biofuels if you want some relevancy. Unless all that tech can be light it's ruining the racing. Leave that to WEC.
Love to hear someone finally suggesting this!! Cars are too fast and too big for the tracks we have. Tracks won't get bigger.
Cars should be smaller with more power. Thats how you get better racing. Period. With more power there is more risk of overdriving but also more reward for skill.
ever since i started watching f1, i have always admired seeing cars going through corners and the speed the drivers take them. but now it is pretty sad that the apex speed are going to fall. I think this is mainly to bring in more fans to the sport as straight line speed is mainly used to brag and bring in more fans.Also i don't really understand why the regs are changing in the first place Making the cars smaller is enough but not adding 50 50 PU and x mode + z-mode. the field is already so close, why change it so dramatically. imo f1 is failing
I mean F2 and F3 is way better than F1 as well. But I guess we are just obesses with watching the fastest cars. Thats why people get angry if Max wins with no competition, even if the midfield/best of the rest are having the craziest fights ever, with mclaren, ferrari and Mercedes taking swings at one another and having varying performance depending on tracks and conditions and who had a better new upgrade.
How to destroy F1 ? Change the regulations when the teams converge. A bunch of clowns.
I'll just remind you all of F1 2014. Anyone watch highlights of that? Didnt think so. Smaller cars that were barely faster than F2 because of new regulations. Like we are just repeating history at this point.
The current top class at Le Mans also is slower than the old LMP2s but nobody is complaining seeing the action on track.
There were a few early concerns about drivers needing to lift down straights to get the new hybrid maximized, which is just not something that should be happening. It isn't that the cars are getting slower, it's that the cars are getting slower and drivers will have to change how they drive in completely unconventional ways
F1 should be faster than F2, people forget that F1 is a prototype racing category. The battle isn’t only on track but also in the factory. If you don’t like that concept, don’t watch F1. I honestly don’t care about a team dominating, it pushes other teams to be more creative.
Yes, but if F1 is viewed as the technology "pinnacle" it isnt exactly great for the branding if the cars suddenly slow down b/c of regs... BESIDES THAT for actual fans it is a good change: racing > speed
Slash initial car speed, open regulations a bit. Then we see a massive development battle
Agreed guys, if I wanted to see cars driving on rails I would get myself a new Scalextrics set. The car design boffins will just go back to the drawing board and start clawing back lap time anyway.... because that just what they do.
The cars in the 2000s era just look faster in my humble opinion. I care if it *looks* faster not so much if it actually is. Also the element of danger, if it looks more dangerous on camera without compromising safety standards then its better *entertainment* (🤓)
The problem with the new regs isn’t the slower speeds, it is the almost same weight of the cars despite being smaller because they made the engine 50kg heavier to use less fuel to be “economical” when they are introducing sustainable fuels. Dumb. The weight is more of the issue than size, because the weight increases tire deg, and that holds back racing more.
Also if weight dropped they could make the cars as safe but be even smaller again, making for better racing.
I mean, can you tell the difference in laptime? I guess not and what you can quite easily observe is how cars handle corners, that's why the 2000s cars look so nimble and fast. At the same time I want to see drivers having to wrestle the car (in a save way), being flat out through corners like Eau Rouge / Raidillon is quite boring.
Quite different but still close in the way things changed would be LMP1 to LMH, nobody is talking about how boring the new prototypes are because they are about 10s slower around the Circuit de la Sarthe but the new rules made the WEC so much more exciting and nobody wishes the faster cars back.
Flat out through eau rougue on TV is boring. I'm sorry have you actually seen these cars in person😭, it's the greatest privilege one will ever get and I think you still haven't experienced how spectacular these cars are in person cs trust me man. In person you will loose your shit
I was very disappointed with the LMP1 to LMH change. People probably weren’t as upset because those cars are not considered the pinnacle of motorsport. F1 is supposed to be the pinnacle of motorsport but it seems we’ve lost sight of that.
High speed, high g corners sometimes look boring because of the awful camera work
Seeing the cars in person lets you see so much more nuance and raw speed. Im convinced most perceived problems with the sport stem from poor presentation.
This new set of regulations hardly will give any more "real" overtakes than now. If anything, drivers will be constantly baby-sitting their batteries to get to the end of each lap with enough energy left in them. And if the FIA and FOCA don't change the push-to-pass regulation, we'll just see the same problems that the DRS brought to the sport, if not worse, happening over and over again. As the rules have been proposed now, on tracks with long straights, such as Barcelona, Baku, Mexico, etc., the power deficit between the defending, leading car, and the attacking car following behind, will be more than 100 HP by the time they reach the start/finish line. Defending will be nearly impossible for the leading car. This will simply create artificial overtakes, not better racing.
They should drop altogether a few bad ideas, such as the one that the car following another car should get some unfair advantage for overtaking, especially if confined on just a few specific sectors of the track. They should instead restrict the total number of uses or amount of energy deployable in a race, and let the drivers decide when and how to employ the extra boost. I stress the "in a race" part, as if they set these limitations for each lap (like they did in the early 2010s with the KERS), then everybody will just use the system the same way, lap after lap. If they instead give 40 uses of the extra boost on a 60 laps race, then some drivers will decide to employ more boosts earlier on, some other drivers will decide to save a few more of them for the end of the race, creating variations in performance between cars evolving over the course of a race.
And to address the wake problem (dirty air in front of a car following close another car), they should just clamp down on the aerodynamics in much simpler and clearer ways. Wings should be simple and straight (not curved and with flaps everywhere) and have max 2 profiles both at the front and at the rear of the car, like it was about 30 years ago. And around the bodywork, with the exception of suspension elements, no parts should be thinner than a specified amount (for example, nothing should be thinner or sharper than the halo ring), making it impossible to add turbulence elements around the car such as flaps, winglets, complicated bargeboards and god knows what else.
Active suspension should be reintroduced, and the active aero should be managed by the individual teams (with some restrictions), rather than by the FIA rulebook.
Engines should be given different constraints, for example a total maximum energy consumption per grand prix (which should include both the energy from the fuel and the energy from the batteries), but more design freedom in terms of architecture, layout, and components, such a way that we would see cars with different power delivery characteristics and different sounds.
To save costs, the rules should be more restrictive about the use of specific materials, both regarding the ICE units and the chassis (for example reserving the use of carbon fiber for the survival cell and impact absorption structures, but not for other parts of the bodywork, where other cheaper or slightly cheaper materials such as aluminium, glass fiber, steel, titanium could be used), and instead of forcing a cost cap, the sporting regulations could limit the development pace of the top teams, and at the same time the overall development costs for all teams, by imposing heavy limitations about the number and types of parts that a team can upgrade on their cars from one GP to the next one.
For example, if during an event one team brings a new chassis for their cars, the same team cannot bring a new suspension, nor they can upgrade anything in their brakes compartment. Engine upgrades should be allowed during the season (I hate this "engine freeze" BS) but only a certain number of times per season (3-4 upgrades maximum, with a few more PU available per team in a season overall), and always heavily constraining other upgrades on the car during the same grand prix. The upgrades should be available to both drivers (i.e. at least one upgraded part for each car), although they should be free to use the old spec if they decide so.
Tires selection should be free, and the intermediate tires should be banned altogether, thus forcing the drivers to use wet tires when the conditions prevent the use of slicks.
Radio communication should be uni-directional from the driver to the team, with the exception of communications from the stewards regarding incidents, penalties, flag warnings, etc., which should be directly delivered to the driver. This alone would significantly spice up many races, as the drivers would not be nursed to the finish line with the ideal strategy decided and refined by their engineers lap after lap, thus forcing them to rely more on their instincts.
Oh, and speaking of engineers, real-time telemetry should definitely be banned, thus removing the need for the squad of ca. 50 engineers that currently every team employs during each grand prix to monitor every possible stat from their cars, while sitting in some dark room either in the paddock or at the team's factory. Huge cost for each team, whose only result is to make the races more boring, by preventing the drivers from making big strategy mistakes.
In addition to the comments made, less downforce might result in softer suspension, so they might be more drivable through the slow-speed corners than the current lethargic barges.
Indy cars are slower than f1 cars but are more exciting and have better racing the majority of the time. No power steering fighting the car around the whole track is awesome to watch. Speed isn't everything.
Disagree with the "better slower" idea. Ideally, we get faster and closer and pushing car and driver ability. Maxing all factors out ought to be the goal. If tech overrides driver skill, that's not ideal - drivers should be working to max out their skills on any system they're given. If regs hold back engineering that's not ideal. If racing doesn't strain car reliability, that's no good. Rain/changing conditions is appreciated because it creates an environment where driver, car, and speed are at that teetering point. But I think it's flawed to want that artificially created by regs that either dumb down the cars or revert the tech just to make it harder to drive. If that's what you want, watch races with vintage cars.
Ironically one of the keys to keeping F1 fast with low downforce will come with the 2030 regs when they finally allow electric motors in the front wheels, for the first time in history giving F1 cars four wheel drive.
Those cars are going to accelerate from 0-100 almost twice as fast as the cars do today, acceleration out of hairpins is going to be INSANE.
2030 will be the first time ever that a hybrid drive train actually helps make F1 faster instead of uselessly making cars heavier as they are today.
The 2024 cars are so fast compared to 2022. Im sure that even if they are slower in 2026 they will be much faster by 2028.
What the teams have argued is that cars will be way too fast on the straights and way too slow in the corners.
While I do understand some of the safety concerns when braking from 360kph into a fast corner that is maybe 250kph, it can be tricky. But I mean, that's why they must be the 20 most skilled drivers in the world.
they should be faster in a straight line right? with all that reduced drag
they will be. less weight, less drag, active aero and still 1k bhp.
It's interesting that this is such a topic, watch any season review where they brought in new regs from the past and it begins with "the cars have become way to fast and we are attempting to slow them down by introducing ..."
Not really worried about lap times either but 2026 cars are setup to be fast in the straights & slow in the corners
Look at Indy
Those are great to watch.
Will they reduce the # of laps ?
Lots of nostalgia giving wrong view of the past.
You can have better racing with fast cars as well and 2026 power target almost reaches that. Real issue with F1 is that the cars always had too much power so they deal with drag fine enough. 2026 end power on the ICE is perfect but they want the hybrids to give them extra speed and that won't help.
Now limit the hybrid deployment to around 260kph so you get some crazy acceleration and have it give 0 after that (unless some kind of push to pass is still necessary, but it'd be minimal) and keep downforce levels from 2020 cars. There you go, crazy lap times (not as fast as 2020 but still very fast) and slimpstream becomes more important due to the low end power.
If you do that you'll have better racing than going slower (maybe it'd allow them to carry less batteries as well).
Just see IndyCars, lots of people talk about how exciting it is, but that is mostly due to yellows. In full green flag racing (which is more comon in F1) those cars are very hard to go side by side and they are slower, lower corner exit speed, high top speed and it doesn't help. You need the right amount of power x drag for good racing with these cars and 2026 is almost there but this downforce cut and hybrid power working all the way won't help.
The downforce cut is too much in 2026. They risk something worse than 2014. I have no doubt Super Formula will be faster.
Cameras alread do a terrible job at showing us how fast they are. F2 cars look crazy slow in comparison. I don't think having F1 going that slow is a good idea.
I think the downforce needs to be lower coz the drivers atm are crying whenever they get within DRS and hit a corner. Lap times are so irrelevant to the viewer, they're all over the shop in practice then we see faster times in quali and then in the race they're way slower and get faster over the race as the fuel levels drop. It's such an airy fairy thing for the management to be thinking about.
Although i do think that F1 cars should atleast be X amount of time faster than F2 cars, what's stopping them from making the F2 and F3 cars slower? We also need to remember that these stats FIA bring up are always conserative calculations that teams always exceed. Remember how we heard that the 2022 cars would be several seconds slower than the 2021 cars? And the 2022 cars ended up being under 2 seconds slower and not closer to 5 seconds like we heard FIA talk about. I'm pretty certain we will see similar things with these regs, they will get predicited as faster and faster the closer we get to the actual 2026 regs
Speed/laptime isn't super important but important enough to say things like "F1 should at least be several seconds a lap faster than F2." or "Formula 1 should be at least fast enough that no supercar can get close."
The thing that I think deserves far more attention is to give fans a realistic idea on when they will be able to see changes due to the new rules. Far too often I have seen the words used "the new concept failed", these kind of messages should not appear in the first 3 years of a new regulation set. Teams will always adopt a new ruleset at different speed than other teams and whatever rule set you're going to introduce there will be a team that gets it right and there will be a team that gets it entirely wrong. The time required for all teams to fully understand a new ruleset is measured in years and it ridiculously unreasonable to expect new rules to show their effects in the 2nd season they are in use. My prediction for the 2026 rules is that it will take till at least 2029 before we will see other teams being able to compete regularly with the team that got the rules right. Up until that moment we will experience the exact same things as that were experienced in 2022 and 2023 with Max and RB dominating the rules
It’s suppose to be the fastest car on a track, I don’t want it to be slower then any category.