14 Year Older Murderer Joshua Phillips | Life in Prison | Case of Maddie Clifton
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- The Girl Under The Waterbed | Murder of 8 year old Maddie Clifton
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There’s something I noticed that offenders say when “apologizing”, and it’s that they’re sorry for “what happened”, never sorry for “what they did”. That speaks volumes to me.
Agreed!!! Big difference
What I noticed is the "apology" he made seemed to be more of a speech about him rather than how he was sorry for what he did.
Wow, I never thought of that, but you're 100% right. It's like they can't take responsibility for what they did.
@Tess Fiore I noticed the same thing. It was like a "poor me" or "please feel bad for me" speech.
I mean he did at one point say "for what I did" lol
but I 100% agree with you & am no way defending him, I think he knew exactly what he was doing when he did it & his "apology" was just all about him & not an actual apology.
Although he said he was sorry, in his speech all that resonated with me was how much he talked about what he was missing out on. It was me, me, me. I think he feels sorry for himself.
I was thinking the same thing...his empathy was for himself
My thoughts exactly
YES!!! I thought the same thing! And there were no tears!
He realizes how absoultely horrible his crime was at 14 years old. He is acknowledging that he is suffering in prison to pay for what horrible thing he did. At 14 you think you know the world, but you barely know anything. I think age has made him realize what really happened, and he is sorry. Not that it was okay by any means, but that was a good apology.
@@Sirene.lunaire uh....no. His "apology" was 90% about himself. You've been taken in by a sociopath.
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I stumbled over her podcast a year ago. She is a treasure.
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I feel the exact as you. For a slight moment in his apology he truly seemed genuine, and he very well may be, but it doesn't take back the fact that Maddie's family is sentenced to life without Maddie. A far worse sentence in my opinion. They were completely destroyed his actions. It's amazing how murderers make a list of accomplishments they've completed as a way to get out of prison early. If I were a judge I'd be like, "And there's your reward. You have the opportunities to accomplish these things but the person you murdered, does not. You're staying in prison."
He kept saying he was sorry but also being sorry that he has to be in jail more so I think.
Well said
Here here.
Couldn’t even be a cop bc soooo many would …. “Commit suicide” with random hidden weapon on way to jail even.
@@c.l.888 He feels bad for himself and the fact he is not free. If anyone is capable of commiting a crime like that at 14 he is where he needs to be. I think he would kill again if he got the chance.
Omg…the fact that this boy was able to SLEEP with a dead, decomposing body under his bed is unbelievable
I think society is safer with this man behind bars. He's smart and has learned how to play people. He could have a career as a screenwriter with the speech he gave, but not convincing enough to be an actor. He said everything he thought people wanted to hear.
RED FLAG If your 14 yr old son keeps a picture posted up in his room in adoration of the little 11 yr old neighbor girl ( or any little girl) you should be questioning it, or am I the only one who feels this way? I've raised 3 sons and they never showed any interest in playing with little girls other than their baby sister when they were 14.
I didn't even want to play with my baby sisters at that age. Playing with "little kids" just wasn't "cool."
My 15 yr old thinks that 14 yr olds are little kids.
Exactly!! Big red flag
My thoughts exactly! I don't believe a word that comes out of his mouth. 14 yr. old is mature enough to know not to kill people. May do that again.
I agree he needs to stay in prison apologizies do not help the situation mind over matter these parents have to live with this forever knowing that there daughter is never going to be around for Christmas thanksgiving Easter all these special family gatherings it is very sad I give all my condolences and love to the family ❤️ R.I.P Maddie
He hasn’t told the truth yet, so how can his apology be taken serious-no matter how heartfelt it sounds? It just goes to show how charming psychopaths can be.
💯 FACT!!!
Right! That apology didn't mean anything. He's just sorry he got caught
He's not charming. He's a nasty scumbag. No Serial Killer.
He's not sorry he's sorry he is where he is. His "speech" was a slap in the face to that family. Let him rot
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Them saying he’s “only 14” is ridiculous to me. At 14 years old you know what you are doing. He’s where he needs to be.
Nope he belongs under the jail
No, he’s only 14. Your brain is not developed even at 18. He was ONLY 14. He shouldn’t get off. And even if they know what they’re doing is wrong their brains aren’t developed enough to make the right decision. I mean I know it’s sick and disgusting and we’re all angry and heartbroken. But 14 year old brains do not understand.
No his brain could understand. He was a baby himself. He does deserve to have some jail time but he was young and dumb.
If he kills someone in that manner he will never be the same and could do it again when he gets out.
@@letallGodskidsbefree You wouldn't be saying "he was young and dumb" if that was your daughter. And I remember being 14 years old and doing normal dumb stuff. But I clearly also remember that I knew right from wrong at 14 years old and knew that killing was wrong.
My mum had a water bed. Think that's where my motion sickness began lol. The fact he was able to sleep knowing there's a body under his bed is seriously disturbing...especially when it started to smell
I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE ! Motion sickness on the waterbed. I took the water mattress out and put a bed to ight in there.
Exactly. The smell of death is unmistakable and for that alone he should stay for the remainder of his life.
Same, motion sickness from a waterbed. They were a horrible idea.
He needs to stay in prison. We all know that sexual predators do not rehabilitate. You brought up an excellent point, too, that he never really confessed to the truth of what happened. Until he can do that, there is no reason to even consider parole. He needs to stay behind bars where the community is safe from his sexual addiction, or obsession. & where he can paralegal for the other inmates and possibly help them with their less evil crimes.
Wish they ALL locked in own jail on small islands gaurd by sharks and zero oversight. Either grow own food or die and let ‘em all kill each other off
There's absolutely no proof that he's a sexual predator, your just jumping to conclusions without any facts.
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When I listened to the boys apology the thing that struck me was how he focused on his own suffering and not about the life and moments that he took. He's not sorry, hes sorry hes being punished.
Agreed
Plays the victim instead of owning it.
The fact that he had this young girl’s body decomposing under his bed, in his room where he was most likely still sleeping in and was able to say nothing, and elude to nothing until his mother found it is evidence enough for me that he should never be let out of prison. AND the fact that he was out there with his mother searching for a girl he knew was rotting under his bed. If he had any remorse for his actions there’s no way he would have been able to continue to sleep in that room with a body under the bed and simply mask the smell with air freshener, or be able to keep composure and behave normally. If you had empathy or remorse for your actions you would be visibly distraught knowing that you killed the girl you’re helping everyone search for, and you’re sleeping in the bed her body is under. No way. That’s psychopathy
Just wanna clear up a few mistakes. He didn’t sleep in his room, he was sleeping in his parents’ room. His mom thought cleaning his room would encourage him to sleep in there again and he didn’t know she was cleaning it.
cognitive dissonance
@Fernanda Ramos if he had some sort of mental issues and was completely unaware of anything then I’d maybe get it. But at 14 I completely understood what death was and what would happen to someone if I hurt them. He knew what he was doing, he hid her. He probably lured her into his house and intended on killing her before hand.
I mean, we were taught (at least I was) how dangerous it can be to put things around your neck. I also remember being told in school and at home when I was very young 6 maybe, that you don’t ever grab someone’s neck or put someone in a chokehold, when play fighting with friends because of how dangerous it is.
@@solveigkorneliussen481 this is more than cognitive dissonance. It’s Antisocial Personality Disorder. 👹
23:00 I think he is sincerely sorry ... for having been in prison for all this time
Anyone who kills at the age of 14 is a serious threat to society. Especially in the way he did: up close and personal, and with a sexual motive.
This. His apology comes off as so sincere because he is sincerely upset about 'losing' his own life yo the justice system.
Even if it was an accident as he states, being able to sleep on top of the little girl you just brutally murdered is not something a safe and sane person is capable of.
Exactly. And for whatever reason those are ones let out early. But some weed sits and rots. Or even white coller etc get more time. So so so messed up and backwards
At 14 they KNOW exactly what they're doing. HIS MOTHER needs to accept the fact that her son is a menace & a threat to society. He is exactly where he needs to be. What's more, HES STUDYING LAW AND KNOWS HOW AND WHAT HE NEEDS TO SAY TO GAIN FAVOR! Nope. Keep him in there.
Nah dude deserve a second chance. He should get paroled..
@@chipdiamond5104 convinced of his sincerity or .. ?
This happened here in my town. I remember when it happened, everyone was wearing purple ribbons while they were looking for Maddie. My aunt aided in one of the search parties. The case had such a profound effect on everyone. My cousin wound up naming her first daughter after Maddie.
That’s so so sweet ❤
Nice!!!!
HaleluYah 💯💜
I will say I’m glad his parents reported finding Maddie. Considering all the cases lately with the parents trying to help cover up a murder their child may have committed
Only 3 "parent's" has done that lately and that was what happened last mother's day with the two high schoolers. The mom is the one that covered it up and the Gabby one and that has been about it lately.
@MariosBadHabit Excellent thinking! because if you help in covering up you're kids crime. you will be charge with accessory after the fact of the crime. and if it's a murder charge, you'll be doing lots of time. Personally I wouldn't help anyone family or not.
His mom reported finding her. I don’t know if his dad would have though. There’s a theory that the dad helped him.
@MariosBadHabit exactly, same here. I would do anything for my children but I could never help them cover up a murder. Honestly I look at the scream killers… Now, idk if Brian really is remorseful, but he seems genuine in wishing he didn’t kill Cassie. His parents are heartbroken, for Cassie and her family. Tory’s parents (mother especially) acts like he didn’t do anything… Like he’s another victim, as if those tapes don’t exist!
He’s got himself convinced he shouldn’t be in prison for murder. It’s my belief that if you refuse to take responsibility for the bad you’ve done, you can never learn and grow from them. We don’t want to see our child locked away, but if they are clearly dangerous… they have to face the consequences of those actions. I love my daughters, but I just have to try and raise them with respect, dignity and good morals.
@@MaddysinLeigh possibility but I feel like it the dad helped him, Maddie would be taken out of the house & either buried or dumped somewhere. Maybe it wasn’t really safe to do that though since so many people were looking for her.
This case is so close to my heart and is probably the reason I have such an interest in true crime. I grew up in Jacksonville and was the same age as Maddie. I can remember the day my school principal came in and told us they'd found Maddie but she wasn't alive. She's buried in the same cemetery as a lot of my family and I would always ask to go visit her grave. I hope Josh is never released from prison.
I can not imagine even hearing that as a child. I'm so sorry
I can totally relate. My husband was friends with Maddie and his dad was actually an officer on the case. He’s told me stories of the search and it’s so heartbreaking. Forever praying for her family.
He definitely needs to stay there imho
I agree, he should never get out.
I remember when it first happened, I was like...he killed that little girl..im still in jax, I'll never forget it. My heart still breaks for her,Kaylee Anthony,Lonzie Barton ect.
He is straight up a serial killer at heart. By the things he did to her, that was an uncontrollable urge. That urge would only get stronger and there would be more victims down the line if he wasn't caught! He is where he needs to be!
I agree.
Totally agree
1000% agree
As a grieving mother of a beautiful 5yr old little boy who was brutally taken from me by my then husband a little over 7yrs ago, you are absolutely correct. The ripple effect a tragedy such as this is immense.
I look at myself in the mirror & I don't even know who that person is, staring back at me.
Life is simply an existence. One day at a freakin time.
Much love to the Clifton Family. It's a hard road ahead 💜🙏💚
I am so sorry for what you have had to go through. No parent should ever have to go through that kind of pain. May God bless you some form of healing and love.
I love you stay strong ❤
@@angelaphillips7970 Bless. Thank you so very much. Much love & prayers 💚
@@emmamitchell604 Thank you. Much love & prayers 💚
Emma, omg I can't even begin to imagine the pain you went through and will be going through forever!
Ripped from your family's arms by anybody is horrible is bad enough but made even worse {if that is even possible} when the person is someone you loved and said he loved you!
I wish you love and light.
I'm so glad that his mother panicked and immediately, blindly reacted to get the police. Because had she had paused and really processed what her son had done, she'd probably have covered it up, as we've seen so many parents do. I think the fact that his mother is fighting so hard for him afterwards proves my theory. She probably regrets going to the cops initially.
Facts. I was thinking the same thing.
First thing I thought when I heard her say mom went every week.
You don't know that, so don't assume everyone is the same
@@stephroscoe8767 so if it was your child that had committed this horrible crime, you'd just wash you hands of them and not visit them?
I think he blames her for him being in prison and holds unaliving over her head so she suffers and can't stop visiting etc.
Like @toldyaso said, as a parent it's an impossible situation, knowing your child is a murderer, but also he's her son, the little boy she didn't protect from an abusive p*rn obsessed "male role model"/father. I would hope she still believes she did the right thing going to the police, we don't know if she had suspicion's he'd do something bad one day.
omg christina!! this is my hometown murder! i was 2 years younger than maddie, and i remember being so scared!! we left our porch lights on for maddie, and when it came out that she was murdered by a neighbor, it was horrifying. as a young girl who loved playing with neighbors and riding around… it made me scared. i can’t wait to finish this and see what YOU HAVE TO SAY! 😘
My Dad also grew up and lived in Jacksonville til he was in his 30s and he moved a few years after this. I have listened to true crime for a long time and when I was telling my dad about this case a few years back he told me that it devastated him to see this case on TV. Maddie’s death shook the whole community, and I’m so sorry that you had to experience that at such a young age.
I’m from the Jax beaches also. This was a horrific tragedy to the community. I was in my late 20’s and working in a small cafe across from the old sea turtle at the time. I remember Maddie’s sweet face on the doors of my job and all the talk, prayers and worried people coming through the doors. And now, here we are with Tristyn Bailey. I just pray for the parents of all the youth involved in these tragedies.
@@zoiefinnian3540 omg trystin bailey…. it’s so sad!
The way a community comes together and acts when a tragedy like this happens really makes my heart swell 🧡🧡 just so sad that this is the reason for it. Xxx
I’m a few years younger than Maddie and we have the same nickname. It definitely scared me.
If she got hit in the eye with a ball and was crying/screaming/bleeding why would he not just take her back to her house so her parents could take her to the emergency room???? Seems like he just wanted to kill someone IMO. Anyone’s first instinct in that situation would’ve been to take her back to her parents, tell them what happened, and let the parents take her to get medical help, not hit her over the head to make her stop crying and screaming. He’s pure evil. He didn’t “panic” and “not know what to do” he knew exactly what to do but chose to kill her instead.
And he slept on his water bed with her dead under it for 7 days!? That’s so messed up!
That's my "favorite" excuse lmao
"I did something slightly bad so I decided to brutally murder them to cover up the other thing :)"
Also her injuries didn't match up with where he said he accidentally hit her. And there was no blood found outside and no dirt found on her pants from him dragging her inside. There was no accident.
I feel like he probably tried to sexually molest or assault her and she was going to tell and so he killer her.
@@Grayyy__ yep i think you are right. He probably will never admit to it bc of the way prisoners treat cho-mos
I was living in Jacksonville when this happened. I remember all or the ribbons tied everywhere and the massive search for her. When the Sherrif Glover came on the news and announced they found her I just broke down in tears. Such a sad ending for a beautiful little girl. My girls were younger than her and I could not imagine the horror and sadness her family felt.
I always thought it was odd that she was found partially clothed but they could not find evidence of any "S.A." done to her. I'm sorry but I don't believe her bottoms came off while being dragged. I remember when Josh's dad was killed in a car accident in 2000 and how there was talk to let him out to go to the funeral. Glad they didn't pursue that. He lost those rights when he killed that precious little girl.
oh my gosh im so sorry. this is such a sad story.
He should have gotten a pass to see his parent at a funeral. That would have put it more into perspective for him.
At the end of the day, everyone should get a chance to see their parent one last time before them being buried.
@@KourttneyL this is why prisons get a free pass to perpetuate inhumane conditions and create worse monsters out of people, because of people like OP who think it's fine
You will always remember her name. My town is Bayport-Bluepoint NY and everyone will always remember. I too have had trama bursts of uncontrollable crying. I knew her mom though. It is just so hard to believe. I love the love and the town's love is so healing for all. It is beautiful and so glad for love.
@@KourttneyL He lost that right when he decided to murder and do God knows what else to an innocent child. I normally try not to judge but what an ignorant comment you made. Why should he have the right to see his parent be buried?!
Honestly, listening to his apology i started to feel empathy for him. I cant imagine doing something so awful at such a young age and then growing up in a dark, devilish place like prison. BUT reality is he never got honest about what happened. If he was genuinely sorry and remorseful for what he did the first thing he would do is set himself free by getting honest about it all.
“Time is not on our side” Needed that reminder. Love you, Christina 🙏
Like many others in the comments, I agree that Josh's apology seemed to focus more on how the crime has impacted HIM; his feelings of hopelessness and desperation. IMO, his regret and remorse was for himself more than Maddie and her family. If we have learned anything from true crime, it is the rate of re-offending criminals, particularly with crimes that are sexual in nature. When it comes to crimes as horrific as this, recidivism and it's direct impact on public safety has to be a key goal of the criminal justice system.
Yeah if he was really ready to face what he did before man and God, he should start with the honest truth. I heard a calculated attempt to become free in order to delve back into his fantasies.
Well articulated. I agree 100%!
@@NightSpeed9 absolutely
@@sheilabarnes8430 thank you. Have a fantastic and safe weekend
Blah blah blah fpos
We lived in that neighborhood where this all happened. Remember it like it was yesterday. We searched for her for hours & hours, never realizing she was virtually two doors down stuffed under a waterbed. Heartbreaking. I knew those kids. Mine were younger, but it was a disturbing, heartbreaking time.
Omg....I couldn't imagine being in the same neighborhood and being in the search party and all and than find out that she was dead in a neighbors house. I remember when this happened. I was the same age as Josh. I was like what the heck is wrong with him and how disgusting he was for doing something like that and was glad he didn't live in my neighborhood but felt bad for those who did live by him. I just feel bad for all who was involved but Josh.
The picture of the mom and dad gave me chills, the pain on their faces is so unreal. 🥺
I was 13 days away 10 yrs old when this happened also from Jacksonville and I remember watching the news and hiding to listen to my mom talk about it. It absolutely TRAUMATIZED me. I couldn’t understand, and still can not, why he did it. That poor girl. I never believed even at such a young age that he did this on accident. He made me realize that some people are just bad and no matter the age sometimes they just want to hurt people.
Also he seems to be a psychopath with no conscience. He slept well after it happened. Another little boy who had a conscience would be freaking out and wondering what to say to his mother or the police. Just a Ted Bundy who hasn't grown up yet.
This happened in my hometown. We joined the search party and he was there, pretending to care. Was the creepiest thing I’d ever been a part of at such a young age at that point in my life and this case is likely what got me started in my obsession with true crime.
Tried make sure raise all our sons and now grandbaby to trust ur gut. Always. Trust own institution every single time no matter the case and we will always believe them no matter what. And boys all highly empathic and can absolutely nail the “creepers” like I do
I was molested
And it changed my whole life.
I don’t believe I would have ended up as okay as I have were it not for many many years and of counseling.
We
Must protect our children!!
I was molested 16 years ago and it still affects me to this day! He was a cousin and my family took his side! To this day alot of family doesnt talk to me. Just cut me off
@@lunarosa5111 I
Can for sure relate
I know what you mean as I was also molested as a child. Yes children should be protected.
@@lunarosa5111 omg I’m so sorry. That sounds awful.
@@lunarosa5111 I'm sorry that happened to you. That was exactly the reason why I kept what happened to me quiet. I was afraid of not being believed.
Hey Christina! after I saw his testimony I too felt a little like he should be let go. After you described that he had to choked her for more than 15 minutes and she was stabbed 11 times I changed my mind. The dude needs to stay behind bars especially since he still doesn't own up to the things he actually did.
Then, proceeded to sleep on that bed! With Maddie's body underneath!!!! Lock him under the jail!
the whole entire time he made the apology about himself..
Shit I’m concerned with your judgement skills. Be very careful in life with people.
@@_kimiadventures lol mine? I only said that because he was very young and kids do stupid things.. and there have been other cases of children killing and after growing are freed but this guy?... seems like he just learned how to look sincere.... that's all
@@MrObtayee yikes...a kid doing a stupid thing doesn't include violent murder. His apology was ridiculous and a pity party for himself.
His speech ticks me off! His apology speech is nothing more than him telling his victims family how he has suffered, how he feels etc. So he's still not able to think about other peoples feelings, there's just no compassion in him, he just feels sorry for himself and what he's missed out on or gone through!! I'm glad he was resentenced to life without parole and I hope he's never out!!!
Have a look at the James Bulger case from England and what has happened to those teens killers, because one of them has been re-arrested after being let out. Leopards don't change their spots! (My opinion)
Yes! All I heard was how he has had it so hard.. What this did to him.. Guilt tripping saying he wanted off himself..just so many things were wrong with that speech. Very self centered, or a narcissist. Yuck! I feel so bad they had to sit there and listen to that. And that he still hasn't admitted or told the truth!
It was all about him. :/
christina did a video on that case, terrifying
@@quickelspickles571 I bet I watched it too and just forgot. It's scary that there are so many cases like these where kids are the murderers! 😱
Good observation. The apology speech irritated me to hear it, but I couldn't understand why until I saw your comment.
Also, having paused the vid to comment, losing our little girl ended up in my ex-wife and I divorcing as well. There was contention about who should have never allowed what etc, and even though we grieved together, and nobody was at fault whatsoever, it caused a rift between us that eventually led to our splitting. I wouldn't wish upon my worst enemy if I even had one losing a child. That's not how it's supposed to work. We outlive our parents, not the other way around. My heart breaks for them💔
@Timothy MacKenna ~
As a bereavement worker whose specialty is child loss (this dovetailed out of working with children who had cancer), I can tell you that many, many (perhaps most?) marriages don't survive the devastation of the loss of a child. It is simply too much.
The world out there does very poorly with this. They always offer platitudes, and say things such as "But this loss should have united you two even more!" They know very little.
I wish you peace, and that you and your ex wife find ways of moving forward in the pain, and that you know some joy and happiness. It is possible. Nothing will ever be the same...how could it!? After such a loss, nobody is ever the same, and many, many things, including close friendships, don't make it through the process.
Again, I wish you comfort.
Thanks for your comment.
I am sorry for your loss too….loosing a child is a parents worst nightmare and a parent should never have to bury their child. I understand how parents can split after a tragedy like this, it seems to happen a lot. Hubby and I are still together, we lost our 18yr old son. But life is just an existence, nothing is like we planned and we no longer celebrate anything. No point, our daughter now lives 2K klms away and have no family nearby. I somehow don’t think that I will live a long life at all…..I hope you find happiness and peace, I just can’t come to terms with our sons death and our daughter living so far away with 4 grandchildren…… 💔💔💔
Her parents also divorced. Her mother later married one of the detectives involved with the case .
@@shaz8486 I hope you also find some sort of happiness and peace and I hope you know that you are loved and you will be greatly missed by those who love you if you do leave before it's truly your time!
@@CrystalAndFam than
This is a cautionary tale for all parents: Do NOT let your small children play with teenagers. Do not let your teens play with small children. Most situations are harmless, yes. But better safe than sorry when it comes to your kids. Teach your children to be careful if you’re going to let them go out and play. Stay in group. Do not go off by yourself, or with anyone else. This is a crazy, unsafe world. Don’t allow your family to learn this lesson the hard way.
Also, Christina, did you know after he was sentenced his mother and Maddie’s mother hugged one another? It was so heartbreaking.
That happens all the time
Just two moms that lost babies. Absolutely broke my heart too. I just cannot even imagine being in either of their shoes. Love and support to them both.
@@knightoftheislandcounter3330 not as often as it should, parents would rather cover their child's ass rather than turn them in.
The fact that he was only 14 makes him that much more terrifying! Imagine what he would have done had he had his fantasies and obsessions for 5,10 or more years? He probably would have learned how to get away with it and hurt more than 1 girl. He is a serial killer stopped in his tracks thank the Lord! And thank you for keeping him where he is!!
Many people won't admit it but have dark thoughts. Not about murdering little girls necessarily. What keeps them from acting is a fully developed and rational brain, something a 14 year old doesn't have. I'd be more worried about a grown man who kills a little girl vs a teenager
@@sativarosegold3604 some have Harm OCD. Its an subclass of OCD (Obsessive Compulsive Disorder) involving violent and homicidal thoughts. They will constantly think about harming or murdering others, in short explanation.
Nothing in this screams serial killer
I live in Jacksonville. Born and raised. I remember this case like it was yesterday. He should NEVER get out. I can’t imagine the pain and guilt the mom feels. So sad.
One thing you didnt mention is when the police did come into Josh's room and find her, one of her hands was clutched around the bedpost. This precious girl died fighting for her life and was still trying to escape in her last moments. I lived in the neighborhood opposite of the Clifton's and I went to school with Maddie and Jessie. I hope Josh rots in there, Im glad he's done well for himself but he took Maddie's life and she was VERY loved! My entire school was devastated, we were released from school early on the day we found out because classes could not continue with the shape the students were in. He does not deserve freedom.
What bed post?? It was a water bed, I had one in middle school, there is no bed post. There’s a wooden frame shaped like a box that may have drawers built in. But absolutely new bed post.
@@loverofcereal7277 How disgusting. Why the heck are you happy about him doing good for himself?? Eff that guy. We’re paying taxes to keep his sorry ass alive with three guaranteed meals a day, blankets, a warm room, etc.
If you look into this case it states that when Maddie was found under the waterbed she was gripping onto the wooden structure of the bed, it had been hollowed out underneath where he had put her. They stated this meant she was still alive when he shoved in there despite him attempting to strangle her & stabbing her. The op is quite correct.
@@loverofcereal7277 hi, I had a water bed as well. But the one he has was not your typical water bed. As someone else stated, his was more of a wooden structure her hand was enclosed around. They had to pry her fingers from around it unfortunately.
Thank you Sharon!
Yes. The fact that he has never "owned up to" what he really did is very scary. I see his victamizing himself even during his apology. It's so horrible and sad for the families
Exposure to sexually explicit or violent media in adolescence is a known contributer to Antisocial(criminal) behaviour. Thank you for always addressing these serious issues Christina. We all need to work together and make sure the world is a place for optimal child development.
I was a kid in the 1970’s Vietnam etc and my mother never let me in the room when the news was on- no less violent video games .
@janet shew You had a Great Mom!
Great points. Childhood innocence is more precious than gold. It should be protected by all of us.
He was in my middle school class. He was dating one of my friends. He was always very quite. This story still sends shivers down my body. I pray little Maddie is RIL.
For those of you who hear his apology and empathize, y’all are truly pure at heart for real because his whole speech was SELFISH. Nothing but I , I , I - he’s not remorseful for her, he’s remorseful for HIMSELF!
U say I when u are talking about yourself and what u did. For Example: I bowled for 13 years on a league. He shows remorse for everything. If u were locked away in prison at 14, u would be doing the same thing
He was able to excersize restraint when it was his mother's grief. I noticed that too.
He was 14 when he did that horrible thing, it’s not hard to think you can actually change those years. And he’s talking about his own remorse, it makes sense to say “I” a lot when talking about your own thoughts and actions
@@dancesmokesmile344 I respect your opinion but I still feel how I feel. 🤷🏾♀️❤️ sorry.
@@dancesmokesmile344 Exactly
THIS CASE HAUNTED MY CHILDHOOD!!!!! As I grew up in a neighborhood right next to Maddie’s in Jacksonville and she was my exact same age !!!! I remember seeing her posters everywhere!!!! I was so scared of what was underneath the bed!
So glad you covered this. !!!!! Thank you!!
🙏🏽for the Clifton’s
I remember this case like it just happened yesterday. I grew up in Jacksonville, and it was all over the news. People from everywhere in the city came to search for Maddie. Everyone thought it was that SA offender for a while. I’m the same age as josh and I had friends who knew him. It was a shock to kids who knew him. All so tragic, but honestly this is a case where the defendant actually got the minimum appropriate charge and sentence. Nowadays, judges look at these young boys and try to keep them from serving life. Also, his mom did the right thing to call the cops rather than hide evidence like some scummy mummies have been doing lately. RIP Maddie
I did not see a single tear during his "heartfelt" apology, which was mostly about how he's suffered. Psychopath. I agree with you, Christina-- Paris Bennett vibes for sure.
When I listened to his apology I actually did feel some empathy for him and thought perhaps he had been rehabilitated and could go back into society one day. However, as it went on I realised that his "apology" was mainly focused upon himself, what he had achieved for himself, albeit behind bars, his remorse and less about Maddy and her family. Then there is the fact that he has never told the whole truth of what he did to innocent and beautiful little Maddy. In my opinion I don't think he would re-offend but until he explains everything that he did to her, he should remain in prison.
And he talks in passive tense. Like iam sorry this happened instead of saying iam sorry for what I Did!
He should never get out, period. Full stop. I'm 100% sure he'd reoffend.
He could have went down a better path in life. I kinda forwarded the apology when he talked about his own pain.
I saw not a single tear. That man doesn’t regret a thing!
Part of their evaluation will be regarding how he spends his time. Silly people, he apologized extensively. He is simply telling the court that he hasn't spent his time shanking people or throwing shit on the walls....he is telling them that he's done everything he can to be a productive member of society from behind bars which affects his potential future if released back. Why's this hard for people to comprehend who leave these comments lol
i think if you even have the ability to MURDER someone at 14 its not like something you grow out of... more like something that is a sign of worse to come and an inherent personality disorder and sociopathy. even if his story about accidentally hitting her in the head was true...the firsst thing most kids would think if she was screaming isnt 'lets make the screaming stop by hitting her even more until she stops (b/c shes dead)" the first thing MOST kids would do is to go get an adult to help them... like ehey we were playing and i accidentally hit her what should i do? can we get ice? does she need to go to the hospital? im sorry it was an accident, etc. any other reaction is deranged and shows that he does not think properly.... i dont know how much of that kind of thinking can really be changed.
100%
@@Danielle20-s8h i remember when i was a kid me and my older brother took my baby brother out into the snow to 'play with us' ...he was probably not even 2 years old at that point so he shouldnt have been out alone in the snow with just his slightly older big brother and siter (i was like 6, my older bro maybe 8) .. we brought my baby brother out into the snow and he fell into a deep snowmound up to his ears and whenwe tried to pull him out he lost his boots and knickers lol.. kinda funny but NOT really because he was just a baby and could catch hypothermia and get sick very easily. he started screaming his head off... at that point we doidnt care about getting in trouble for taking him outside, we just wanted poor little baby mikey to be okay. i ran to the house to get mom to help pull him out and my older brother continued trying to pull himout of the snow mound and was trying to get him up onto one of our little sleds so he could pull him home. at no point did we think... hmm lets ust bury him in snow the rest of the way so nobody can hear him scream anymore or wack im in the head and knock him out etc..i forget exactly how baby mikey made it inside, i think my bro DID get him up onto the sled without pants and gave him his jacket and them mom came out and carried him the rest of the way up to the house.... and i do remember being in enough trouble that we knew never to take the baby out of the house without permission ever again lol. (tho i think the fright of the poor baby cold, red and screaming was enough to scare us out of doingit again without the added punishment)
just saying... im not even completely normal lol and we STILL knew to go get our parents or adult help when someone younger than us is hurt and we dont know what to do.
I am glad i didnt act on my psychopathic thoughts and urges i had at 14 and throughout my teen years
Exactly!
I don’t believe the whole ball incident. I think he attacked her outright. He wanted to murder.
This case really breaks my heart. The day she was found under the bed November 10th 1998 was the day I was born. It’s crazy to think that the best day of someone’s life can we someone else’s worst day. God bless the family.
This is so scary... Just goes to show that you never really know anyone, especially who you're kids are playing with. In today's society, most parents are not even involved in their kids lives and have no idea what they're doing when they leave the house.
Just wanna give a shout out to Christina for covering these cases, especially the older ones. Also for reminding us to drink our water. ❤
I really admire Josh's mom for turning in her son, like I know that there are some parents who wouldn't turn in their kid (cough, cough Brian Laundrie's parent's cough, cough) I remember hearing about this case in an E! crime countdown show and it always stuck with me. I like how you talk about these cases Christina
Brain's parents should be charged!
@@theshounfiles7898 I got to agree with you. I don't think I can turn in my kids to. Everyone can say this and that but when it hit home, I'm pretty sure ya won't do it. That say it's that right thing to do, by not turning them in but it's your kid. Even if I can spend another few days with my kids before they get caught I would just cause I love my babies that much....
So I have a question for the ones who said that they wouldn’t turn their kid in, so imagine you are in this exact situation where you find a dead body under your child’s bed, what would you do if your not going to turn your kid in? Your going to help get rid of the body?
@@theshounfiles7898 cruel? What's cruel is he killed her and the parents clearly helped him cover it up! They literally let him get away with murder, child or not that's just sick, he should have paid for what he did. Because I'm sure if it was the other way around, people would want someone to hand in the person who killed their child!
@@theshounfiles7898 I have 2 children, both boys, if my 14 year old did that I would have to tell them, how do you explain a dead child under your kids bed? What would you do? Help him? Hide the body? Hope he doesn’t do it to another child? Then YOU are going to jail too for covering up a murder so what happens to your other children while you and your son you “wouldn’t turn in” are in jail, can’t see each other or your other children? Yes…. It would be extremely difficult, but they don’t do it once. He would have done this again.
thanks for reminding me to call my aunt. she always calls me to check up and i don’t always answer due to my depression, but she never judges me and always is so excited to talk to me. so important to remember the ones that love you the most❤️ thanks christina!
I grew up in Jacksonville and remember when this happened. I was in between Maddie and Joshua's ages at the time, and it was so deeply unsettling and sad. Thank you for covering this case
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I lived on the next street over and was 17 years old at the time of this tragic event. I also had a waterbed and it litterally freaked me out. Another moot detail is that Joshuas dad was killed in a car accident while driving back to Jacksonville from visiting Josh in state prison.
Wow.
I hate to say it but it might be karma🤷
@@nikkimatte6897 probably so because his dad used to beat him.
This a reminiscent story for me at the age of 10. I went to school and church with the sister and brother of this 16 year old boy, and at 54, I am still traumatized by it this story. My brothers went to School and Scouts with both brothers where the Dad was the Scout leader and my father knew him. A little 4 year old ( same age as my sister ) wearing a pink bathing her mother just bought her for her birthday, and she was out front with an older sister and friends. The sister and friends went off to do something else and this left the 4 year old out front by her self. She was last seen on a skateboard in front of her house. My Uncle was Chief of police at the time. The parents and neighbors organized a search and everyone in town was out searching. NOTHING like this happen in our town. No one locked their doors and everyone knew everyone. Their was a team of police and investigators staked out in the next door neighbors house. The families were close. I remember looking for this girl at age 10, in every nook and cranny around where I lived, afraid to find her. I didn't live very close to her house, but I looked just the same. She was gone roughly a week, maybe less. When she was found, the next door neighbor ( father ) was talking to my Uncle, and they smelled this horrible odor coming from a box and the Dads words were..I tell these kids all the time to make sure the trash goes down the yard where the trash man picks it up. But by then, they could not help but to be curious about what was in the box because of the foul pungent odor. Much to there shock, they opened the box where a trash bag lay, actually 1 bag inside another, and the odor was coming from the bag. When they opened it, there lay the naked body of this precious 4 year old. Stangled and sexually assaulted. Her bathing suit was later found in the 16 year olds room. He got 8 years only. I felt bad for the family as to being ostracized by the town. The day of the funeral, the child's family welcomed the family to attend the funeral, but they declined because it would get chaotic from the people in town and at the funeral and they deserved their time of mourning with out all that would come with their attendance. There was a lynch mob outside the police headquarters wanting to exact their own justice.This is such a sad story. I remember the sister telling me her brother was innocent , to which I did not reply to. I can't imagine how hard it had been on her. The 16 year olds family were very good people, and were very close to the victims family, and lived right next door.
I don't know how to feel about minors getting life sentences, but 8 years for such a horrific and brutal murder of an innocent 4 year old angers me. I feel for both families.. the boys family didn't do it.. he did, and they paid the price. Of course, as their son, they too fought. But then I think of the little girls family... they did not retaliate, but even invite them to the child's funeral.. but everyone had their lives turned upside down and HE got a measly 8 years!!
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His pain ..Will never compare to the parents who lost their Child ..
To have a child die is a life long grief and heartache 💔
..but to have your child murdered the pain of that would be unbearable..
My heart goes out to maddy's family
Fly high little one Safe in heaven where no monsters can ever hurt you again
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You did the case I suggested ahhh!!! Thanks for actually reading our comments and connecting with the community ya got. So looking for maddie left such an impact on me as a child...it really strengthened my deep empathy as youngin idk I always felt like being out in those woods calling her name thinking she would be home soon then learning she never could come home again like I felt that shit hard for her family and friends.
RIP. Maddie 💕💕
Christina I want to thank you for the message at the beginning about calling someone you have been needing to. I struggle with my mental health and will have the genuine WANT and urge to call my great grandparents and even though I want to I often struggle to find the executive function to do so for days. I immediately paused and called them, had a great conversation that cheered us both up, and now I feel relieved. Thanks again.
I have never been madder at an apology than I was at Josh's. While he was talking about how precious life is I kept thinking " what about Maddie's life?". It's heartbreaking to hear about what her family went through. I'm glad Josh got a life sentence and I hope he never finds true happiness.
His apology makes me so angry. How dare he compare his suffering in prison to the trauma he caused that family. Disgusting
He didn't, he absolutely did not try to compare his pain to theirs, not once. So you were hearing what you wanted to hear.
All he did was talk about his feelings. It was a crap apology.
The fact that Josh killed her and then went searching for Maddie alongside her family is sickening!
Yeah. Hearing that just gave me cold chills.
@@missiecombs4807 Same here! 😔
💯 agree, but at the same time, it would be very stupid and suspicious not to. She was his best friend's little sister so people would very quickly notice. Not defending him though
@@veronikapop8161 I see your point. Such a crazy situation overall!
I get *why* he did it. I don't get *how* he did it. At 14 years old, still a young person, a kid. Yet he was able to hold himself in such a manner around family friends, investigators. That's scary.
I think Josh is where he needs to be. He has never admitted what really happened and thats the first step to help and change and because he's never got proper help through not disclosing what drove him to what he did, he shouldnt be free. His statement was 90% about him. I get that he was trying to show how he had changed etc but it was too much. The fact that he had never apologised until that statement shows to me the apology was only for himself and his potential release as when he thought he was in prison for life there was no apology.
Yeah that’s an interesting point. Makes me think more about him wanting to wait to apologize in person - like maybe he wanted it to have the most impact if they could see his emotions and give him the best chance at being released.
He grew up in prison . I don’t know for sure, but I would think with all of the darkness that he had absorbed there and the fact that his last known freedom as a developing teen, was him murdering his neighbor ,I can’t see that he would come out of prison as a safe human to be out and about . His apology was seemingly heartfelt and for him to be able to gain some comfort that he apologized is good for him and perhaps the parents . It doesn’t excuse the fact that he murdered this child and the suffering and horror she must have gone through.
I think he needs to stay put and maybe that poor little girl was the savior to many others that he would have killed had he been a free person.
Really good points
I agree but his sniveling apology was all about himself
All well and good BUT he has yet to allocute everything he did. No rehabilitation can even start until that happens in my opinion.
I clicked on this so fast as someone born and raised and still living in Jax. I still remember being in 1st grade when this happened and our teachers playing the story on the news in class 🥺 the fact he helped search for her and had her under his bed the whole time is so chilling! I hope he never gets out.
I remember quite clearly when I was 14 and I didn't even like when someone squished a bee or harmed any creature no matter how small. 14 is OLD enough to make a judgement on someone's conscience and moral compass....a permanent judgement. Unfortunately, I think that will always be something inside him he'll have to control. Too dangerous to be out in the world with other people.
My sister Amber was that person in my life, but she passed away on Sunday January 24th at the age of 44, I'm completely devastated from her passing. I had to seek medical attention because my heart is broken. Christina is right every chance you get to see or talk to your loved ones you should absolutely do that. You never know when you won't have them anymore.
My condolences to you hun, God bless & comfort you ❤️🕯️🙏
@@hopeful6157 Thank you very much. 💕
I know there’s some debate about people this young being in prison for life, but I fully believe he should never get out. That poor girl was nothing but a sweetheart to him, and now she’s gone. He is evil.
I have trouble with young kids being sentenced to life except in rare extreme cases, like this one. Mostly I think they should go to prison until they are 21 or 25 maybe and then get reevaluated to decide if they should have a life sentence. I'm glad he got back on the stand because we, ourselves can evaluate him and see he is where he belongs.
Uhh okay sir, please tell me more about how much pain YOU are in and how hard life has been for YOU. 🙄🙄
Classic mark of a psychopath/sociopath is extreme narcissism.
Though he said “I did a horrible thing” and mentioned the pain he caused, he more often referred to it as “what happened” and “this thing that occurred”. It was a pretty self-focused speech.
Exactly! I wanted to yell at him to just S T F U
I remember that case. Very sad. 😭 Rest in peace Maddie.
I love you so so so much Christina! ❤️
Having worked with juveniles in a level 5 lockdown psych facility for 11 years, public education behavior programs for another decade and now in corrections, I can honestly say that after 17 or so years of incarceration he probably means most of that. However as a parent who has lost a baby girl, I can attest to the unbelievable pain that brings a parent, and something that one never truly heals from. For him to have done this even as a juve, I fully support him living his life out, "growing" or "finding religion" or whatever heartstrings he was attempting to pull with reference to his mom, in prison, incarcerated for the rest of his natural life.
Is just horrible evil souls born. And they will never change
I remember being a little girl and seeing her missing posters everywhere outside of all of our grocery stores because it happened in my city here in Florida.. I remember my parents being terrified and then all of us just shocked when we found out what happened
I remember when I first heard about this case. Still breaks my heart EVERY single time I hear it. Sometimes evil is made, but sometimes it is born into you.
I’m sorry. I remember being 14 and that’s no excuse. There’s some issues that he nor anyone else said have been resolved. His intended victim is still out there, having her life ruined. She probably has nightmares most nights, but on those nights she doesn’t, she deserves to know she can sleep in peace without having a constant thought of him getting to her. I’m sorry for his mother I truly am but it is very selfish of them to keep getting that girls family to trial to relive all that. At 14 you are old enough to make choices and he made his.
Right, in some cases I agree with more leniency for underage offenders, but in others it’s even more scary and disturbing that they were capable of such things at that young of an age - never let this person out
@@svetlana9369 oh yeah totally
As a mother of a little girl, I don't think I could have listened to his apology. I would have had to speak up and tell him to STFU! Maybe I'm just a mama bear but in my opinion, he deserves everything that's coming to him!
When an apology is all about “I” “me” and “my”, I already know to stop listening. This guy is full of it. He was literally watching snüff pr0n as a kid and became obsessed. It’s that easy. I’m glad he having a hell of a time in jail.
I was 8 when this happened and my family and I moved to Jacksonville when she first went missing. I remember seeing the fliers all over town and asking my mom about her. The whole community was worried and cautious during that time. Such a sad case.
My Friday just got a WHOLE lot better!! Thank you so much for being such a wonderful blessing, Christina!! Much love from all of your “babies”!!💞🥰
As a mom I feel torn for both moms. I do think ultimately he’s better behind bars if he can’t admit to telling the actual truth.
I remember this story and I was even shocked that he tried to hide this poor child. I thank her for finding a cop asap. Horrible crime for a lil girl Rest In Peace Maddie 🙏🏼💔😢 you’ll never be forgotten in my home
I’m the same age as Josh and lived not far from their neighborhood when this happened. Being a lifelong true crime enthusiast, this case has stuck with me from day one.
I remember when I was in my 20s my late lovely Mom would tell me "just wait..when you are in your 30s & older you will find that life goes by in the blink of an eye"..being in my 20s I didn't take her
comments that serious but trust me..amazing how TRUE those words were/are...doesn't seem real how fast a year goes by...agree 110% with Christina's opening comments :)
Christina,I was wondering if you would please do a case from South-Africa about Alison Botha. What happened to her was horrific. She survived it all though. Very inspirational woman!
Oh my God. Allison Botha. Jesus Christ I don't know how she not only survived but continued on to live a beautiful life. I would love to hear Christina's take on her.
From South Africa...that is one of the worst ever.
From South Africa...that is one of the worst ever.
When I first heard her story I was truly shocked. It just hits a person differently. She is one strong woman
Email this to her!!
This happened right down the street from us…and yes there was SO MANY PEOPLE ON THE FIRST DAY it was so awesome to see everyone come together…Thanks so much for covering this story ♥️
What street was it?
@@RA-dz4or I lived in Bowden road off of university blvd and their street was the 2nd dead end going towards beach Blvd. I don’t remember the name of the road. Any more questions?
This actually happened I. the Lakewood neighborhood. Closer to The Dupont Middle School area.
Heard this story before, but because I love watching you I had you listen again, such a sad case, R.I.P Maddie, she had her whole life infront of her and by someone she saw as a friend , truly deceiving and unbelievable 😔💔🙏🏾 I'm glad his mum didn't cover up for him! That's how parenting should be, because I couldn't imagine calling the police on my own child for murder, my heart goes out to both sides of the family, I cannot imagine how the mum felt finding her and maddie's parents for finding out 💔 I hope he never gets out of prison!
This Guy was My Son's fathers bunky back in the days when he sent to prison... My mouth dropped when my X told me all about what happened..but this was so long ago.. I live is South Florida also.. But thank u for this post..it made me smile.. because i had already knew all the facts be 4 u said anything.. I love your channel❤❤❤
Personally I think all criminals that commit crimes that are sexually motivated shouldn't be allowed to get back to society again because that shit runs deep.
I completely agree.
Please don’t ever change your intro! Saying it with you gives joy every Friday ❤️
I find myself saying it along with her!
It’s so crazy to hear the facts because all we were always told was that he “accidentally”hit her with a baseball in the head and he panicked cause she wouldn’t stop screaming and crying. So to hear everything that you have is really hitting my heart bad ….I wonder how many of us only know the story I know. Wow. Just wow. I’m literally speechless. Thank You Christina. ♥️
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Casually Christina! OhmyGoddess! You had dreads! i did too, for ten years, [1994-2004] → Rasta practice and culture. i am a musician, tho had an accident in 2010 that completely disabled me.
Sincerely charming and luring !! Nearly took me away from REALITY!
So sad... I feel so badly for his mother. If the judge was still going to be able to sentence him to life in prison again, why did they make everyone go through it all again!? Smh.
They do that with a lot of people
I lived in Jacksonville when this happened & the whole town was terrified. It was awhile before we let our children out to play! Very sad case for both families.
The whole town Wasn't. Born and raised there and still live there. I was there when this happened. This is why I keep in eye on the kids and not let them just wonder around but I wouldn't say I was particularly terrified at every single thing that happens here.
I can't believe he slept in that bed , knowing she was there. That's a sick thing. I'm sorry but I don't think he needs to get out.
This was THE very first case that I heard that got me into true crime. This is the one that stuck with me, I was a teenager myself when I first heard it and it disturbed me so much... thank you for covering this. This whole time I thought his explanation of the baseball hitting her was what really happened, I did not remember that his story hadn't added up with the evidence.
I lived through this. The whole town of Jacksonville completely stopped to look for Maddie. It still haunts me to this day. Then a few years later Sumer Thompson went missing . My heart hurts for both families.
Love you Christina! Thank you for uploading so much! I'm going through a divorce and I have so many things in my life that are changing to the point I'm just breaking down each day. Your videos are one of my only things I look forward to
Prayers for healing and peace ❤️ God bless you and your family .
**Big Hugs** Jodi 🧸🌹🫂
Awe, I’m so sorry. Keep your head up beautiful. What happens after it rains…… the sun comes out. Things will get better for you ♥️ You are in my thoughts and I wish nothing but the best for you doll xoxoxo
I wish for you to find closure and peace ✌ Keep your head up. Yes, I know that's easier said than done, but you can do it! *hugs* ❤
Hang in there girl, sisters are supporting from afar
Congrats on 1 mill, Queen! 99 million left to go!
I always appreciate you mentioning how children exposed to explicit media have changes in their brains and it's unhealthy. Too many parents nowdays think nothing is a big deal to expose kids to. They don't protect their kids innocence the best they can, just because the world wants to steal kids innocence as fast as possible, the parents end up saying "they're gonna do it/see it anyways might as well be at home" and it saddens me. Especially when the parent is either careless or absolutely abusing the kids by exposing them to it themselves which is sick and disgusting. I always say "never judge a parent with kids older than your, or with more kids than you" because you really don't know in most cases how those changes in life will change you. But I can say; as a parent of late teens and early 20s, having both blood and adopted children alike. Adopted children who had hard upbringings before they came home to me, it's NOT that hard to be a diligent parent and care about letting kids just be kids. It's not hard to not expose them to filth even if they've been raised around it for years. So lazy parenting and lackadaisical parenting really saddens me and can disgust me. Because it's the kids who are hurt, not the parent. It's the kids who spend their life recovering or ending up in jail. Now some kids will do whatever and it's not the parents fault at all, but I'm only talking about the parents that don't try at all. I commend the boy's mom for getting help and letting her son face the consequences of his actions.
I didn't know how to feel about if he should have been given a chance or not actually. That was hard for me. He was 14 so he DEFINITELY knew exactly what he was doing and lying and downplaying what he did proved it. If he didn't realize it was wrong he would have told the truth not understanding why hurting a little girl was wrong, but he lied. He knew. I do believe most people can change and grow even hardened criminals, outside of pedophiles (they never change). But reading the comments about all the people that live in the area and were around when it happened. Plus the girl's mom worrying for her older daughter that he was obsessed with, yeah I understand why they aren't letting him out or giving him a chance. Hopefully he does grow in prison somehow and becomes a better person, or speaks openly against what he did for others to hear. Other than that, it's sad for his mom, but hopefully she finds peace in knowing she did what she could to help him now it's up to him to change. I feel so sick for the little girl's family and friend's and community. It's heartbreaking. There are no words. 🤍
I remember being a child when this happened. It has honestly haunted me my entire life. My room was just painted when I heard my mother talking of this when it came on the news. It was such a hard thing to get through and stop imaging about it. I hated the smell of fresh paint for many years of my life because it reminded me of this girl. Everyone kept saying smell and I remembered the paint. I was really young I'm 35. I am much older now and I have a better control over my thoughts. I like to listen to your research to try to understand the minds of horrible people to protect my own family. I just don't understand how a person or child could be so weak and hurt another child. If that was my baby, my niece, or my sister. I couldn't watch him go free. Whatever he did was evil, and I couldn't trust anyone would be safe with him living in the US experiencing life and someone's baby will never experienced it because he took that from her. I don't even like to think about what will happen to his soul. But whatever happened that night had such a strong energy across the world. I am not stupid I hope the US isn't either. His mother is probably just as confused because she lost apart of her that day too. It's common that victims seek the abuser in domestic violence for some crazy mental reason. She also I am sure feels bad for him because how could anyone want to ever love him. She would definitely be the only one. He is a monster as a teen which is a huge deal. Now institutionalized! Prison affects people as you know. So try to imagine any of his thoughts tastes like vomit. I feel strongly about this case because the sleepiness nights I had worried sick about another child as a child is unforgettable. i will go on and on and on. Just wanted to make it clear the judge made the right logically decision.
I absolutely know how bad this was and the terrible cost of what he did. I have actually had this loss in my own family. But knowing he was 14 when this happened and seeing and listening to him. I literally cried. How could you ever express the apology or the guilt or the anything that’s in his heart or mind now as a grown man. It’s awful. I feel awful for his pain and the families pain too